hello it's thursday, it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. taking back powers from europe; we'll ask which european laws will the government keep after brexit, which ones will go, and what will it mean for you? and as the insurance market, lloyds of london, says it's setting up a base in brussels, we'll ask if more big companies could do the same. also this morning, the duke and duchess of cambridge and prince harry release a series of films of celebrities here in westminster, we'll discuss the great repeal bill. also this morning, the duke and duchess of cambridge and prince harry release a series of films of celebrities talking about mental health for their heads together campaign. ifi if i start talking about problems, one, the people who followed me through my career, they're going to turn their backs on me because they think i'm one thing, everyone‘s going to think of me differently. did that happen? no, it was the

com plete did that happen? no, it was the complete opposite! the campaign urges people to open up to a friend or colleague; we'll speak to people who've done exactly that. and, as new guidelines on sugar in food are published we'll talk to industry insiders about how manufacturers are juggling the pressure to make products more healthy without losing sales. hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. tell us what you think of this. imagine you finally get a statue, and it looks like that! it's a new statue of cristiano ronaldo which has been unveiled on the portuguese island of madeira. he's putting a brave face on it, but if you were him, would you be happy? his fans on social media have been less than complimentary! do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. according to the duke and duchess of cambridge, and prince harry, they believe we are at a tipping point when it comes to talking about mental health. do you think the stigma is finally being broken down oi’ stigma is finally being broken down or not, let me know. we'll talk a lot about it after 9. 30. our top story today. plans to repatriate powers from the european union will be published today in a draft of what's known as the great repeal bill. having formally triggered brexit, ministers are promising a smooth transition, with the incorporation of thousands of pieces of eu law into uk legislation. but this morning the insurance market, lloyds of london, said its setting up a base in brussels — to maintain a presence in europe after brexit. our political correspondent, eleanor garnier, reports. cometh the hour, cometh the moment, in westminster, belfast,

edinburgh and cardiff — the exact moment the uk took a new and different course. this is an historic moment from which there is no turning back. the letter, hand—delivered by our man in brussels, telling the eu we are on our way out. written in a deliberately conciliatory tone. but a hint, too, of the steel in mrs may's stance. no overt threat to walk away, but a serious warning, as she wrote "a failure to reach an agreement would mean our cooperation in the fight against crime and terrorism would be weakened. we must therefore work hard to avoid that outcome." a sentence that certainly raised eyebrows, here, and across the eu, too. but despite all the difficulties, mrs may promised our relationship with the rest of the continent will be just as good after brexit. what we are both looking for is that comprehensive trade agreement, which gives that ability to trade

freely into the european single market. and for them, and for them to trade with us. it would be a different relationship, but i think it can have the same benefits in terms of that free access to trade. labour insisted it would hold the government to account at every turn. more than ever, britain needs a government that will deliver for the whole country, not just the few. and that is the ultimate test of the brexit deal that the prime minister must now secure. the clock is now ticking. two years to untangle a ao—year relationship, to unpick all the interwoven regulations and legislation. that task starts today, with more detail from the government on how it plans to bring eu powers back to westminster. eleanor garnier, bbc news, westminster. our political guru norman smith is in westminster. why are lloyds of london setting up

a base in brussels? to keep their options open like a lot of big financial institutions. they want to see how the negotiations pan out. the real concern is that the sort of deal they have at the moment where we have so—called passporting rites which basically means they can sell their services across the eu with no additional complications, administrative burdens and so on, that might go out the window and any new eu deal, for that it could mean a massive headache. so new bases are being set up in europe in case things go spectacularly wrong. it chimes with what we know is a good deal of nervousness in the city about how all this might shape up. jp morgan, goldman sachs, they may possibly have to redeploy thousands of people in the eu rather than keeping them in britain. one thing

to say in the letter yesterday which mrs may sent to the president of the european council, don add tusk, she specifically talks about the financial sector and what she referred to as network industries —— donald tusk. they seem to be moving towards a special deal for the city and other key industries to make sure that they are not too damaged oi’ sure that they are not too damaged or hurt and there's not too much change following brexit. and this job of importing thousands and thousands of eu laws, enshrining them in british law, that is massive isn't it? it's huge. i kind of think of it about being dropped in the borneo jungle and having to hack your way through lots of legislative paperwork. we have got a0 years, a0 yea rs! a0 yea rs paperwork. we have got a0 years, a0 years! a0 years of eu rules and regulations which we have got to translate basically into british law. i heard someone say it was something like 80,000 different

pieces of legislation. that is colossal. what does that mean? there's not going to be much time for the government to do anything else but brexit. interestingly, we heard from the man who was going to be in charge of procedure in the commons, the clerk of the commons, this morning say, this won't take two years, it could go on for a decade, in other words, for many, many years after we have even left the european union. annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. a privately—owned helicopter with five people on board has disappeared over north wales. the aircraft is believed to have been travelling from milton keynes to dublin, via caerna rfon bay. a land search is underway but the aerial search had to be suspended due to poor weather. the weather conditions have not

improved and the coastguard can't continue the search until the weather does improve. the aircraft is privately owned. there were five individuals on board. it was destined to arrive in dublin but it left milton keynes yesterday morning shortly before midday. it was due to stop here at can air van airport. it did not arrive. communications were lost. it went missing from the radar. the coastguard was alerted immediately —— caernarfon. the operation yesterday involved two coastguard helicopters that searched across north wales right through to dublin via land and sea, and u nfortu nately, dublin via land and sea, and unfortunately, due to the weather conditions, that had to be called off late last night. now, the search operation was continued on land by north wales police. they've introduced mountain rescue teams, to seem the land, and that is continuing this morning. we don't know a great deal about these five individuals, we know that it was a

red helicopter. members of the public have been asked to dial 999 if they saw that helicopter at any point yesterday afternoon in the area. now, the search should be continuing this morning. time is of the essence. the coastguard will not allow that search to resume unless these weather conditions improve significantly in the next few hours. new guidelines for the amount of sugar that should be in everyday foods from breakfast cereals to chocolate bars have been published by public health england. the aim is to cut the amount of sugar children consume by 20% by the end of the decade. our health correspondent, jane dreaper has the details. the duke and duchess of cambridge and prince harry have released a series of films as part of their heads together campaign designed to encourage people to talk about mental health. the project aims to help end the stigma around mental health. the former england cricket captain andrew flintoff

and the rapper professor green, were among the celebrities who've been sharing their experiences. the hardest thing for me was initially talking. we don't talk, i'm from the north of england, a working class family, we don't talk about our feelings. it was no different for me growing up in a council estate in east london, it was not something you spoke about. and victoria will be speaking to some of the people featured in the new campaign in a few minutes time. there's been a big increase in the number of cases of child sexual exploitation in greater manchester. a report by the stockport mp, ann coffey, says more than 1700 children have been identified some of them victims, and others said to be "at risk". the figure is four times higher than when the last report was published in 201a. a federaljudge in the us state of hawaii has extended the suspension of president trump's travel ban for an indefinite period. it means mr trump will be barred from enforcing his revised ban on six mostly muslim states while it is contested in court. organisers of the oscars say

they will continue to work with the accountancy firm, pwc, despite the mistake which led to "la la land" being wrongly announced as the winner of best picture, instead of moonlight. this is the moment hollywood realised someone hadn't followed the script at the ceremony last month. to make sure a similar mistake doesn't happen next year, there will be an extra accountant on hand, and electronic devices will be banned backstage. that's a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 9.30. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. we'd be really interested if you could share with us the first conversation you had with us when realising you had problems. let me

know about the very first conversation you had and we'll share those with the nation this morning if that's ok with you. you don't have to give me your name if you don't want to, it's fine if you prefer to be anonymous. sport now with jess. jo pavey sport now withjess. jo pavey gets the medal she's been craving? yes, and sadly it comes ten years after the fact. this centred around the 2007 world championships when the distance runner finished fourth 2007 world championships when the distance runnerfinished fourth but because the turkish athlete that finished third in the bronze position was found to have failed a drugs test in competition, retrospectively after her sample was retested, so that means pavey has been upgraded to the bronze medal. you see her after that race, she was

exhausted. she crossed the line in fourth. she was flat on her back and felt she'd let everyone down because she was out of the medals. pavey says that athletes who're found to have doped should have all the results wiped from the records and that would be the biggest deterrent against doping. from that experience, pavey has admitted that she changed her race tactics. what was to be the biggest result of her career she says is now bitter sweet because she missed out on her moment on the podium. football tra nsfer on the podium. football transfer speculation around, including about arsenal's alexi sanchez? yes, interesting quotes coming from the arsenal star who's been speaking at an event in chile. he says he's happy in london, he hopes to finish his contract at arsenal, but he wants to be with a tea m arsenal, but he wants to be with a team that has winning mentality. now, if you take a lack at arsenal's form, its not very good at the moment. they've fallen down to sixth

in the premier league, four defeats in the premier league, four defeats in the last five games. not sure that suggests they have a winning mentality at the moment, so they may well struggle to hold on to the top goal—scorer. we know sanchez‘s contract negotiations are on hold until the summer. interestingly, arsene wenger has a press conference this morning so we may well get an update on that or at least some reaction to what sanchez as said. also reaction to arsene wenger‘s future. he said he knows what he wa nts to future. he said he knows what he wants to do about his future, we are waiting for him to tell us what it is. an update on that later this morning. and this statue of cristiano ronaldo, the reaction continues to give us food for thought? it's been funny on social media. how many people get an airport named after them. but that's not what's causing the headlines, it's this statue. so this bust was

made in his honour and it's supposed to look like him. i don't know what you think, but i'm not convinced it looks anything like him. we have had funny reaction from the world of social media. presenter dan walker tweeted this: we've had a few other look—alikes that maybe look like the bust. how about mr incredible, what do you think? perfect! brilliant. that's all the sport, more later. at least 20% less sugar in biscuits, chocolate bars and breakfast cereals by 2020 — that's the challenge to the food and drink industry from health officials in an attempt to reduce child obesity, which they describe as an "urgent problem". a number of food manufacturers have

already pledged to cut sugar in their foods. but public health england say things like cakes, yogurts and even some bakery products such as croissants and croissants are just some of the products that could have a lot less sugar in them. they say sugar content can be reduced by... reducing portion sizes, encouraging people to buy low— or no—sugar alternatives, or changing the recipes of products to cut down sugar. but alarmingly, even if sugar levels were reduced by a fifth, youngsters would still be exceeding the recommended daily allowance for sugar. a third of children going to secondary school are overweight or obese. the group that represents food and drink manufacturers says they are listening to calls to reduce sugar in products. we've been reducing salt — now we're focusing more on sugar. the industry understands that consumers want more options, and they are providing them. they are changing the recipe of products. it's something that's going to have to be done quite

gradually, but it's something that's going to make a real difference, i think. particularly for those products where it's not possible to substitute the sugar, we are going to see things get smaller, and it's right that public health england are out there today saying to people, you need to expect that this is going to happen. obesity, childhood obesity particularly, is a really serious problem. we've got to tackle it, and one of the consequences is that we're going to see the recipes of favourite products change gradually, and we're going to see some of our favourite products get a bit smaller. well, let's discuss this further. we can now speak to food sociologist and advisor at action on sugar professorjack winkler, food consultant jane milton, nutritionist azmina govinji, and food tasterjennifer earle. health bosses want children to consume 20% less sugar by 2020. first of all, do you back that goal. we eat too much? yes. yes. it is not going to be compulsory. that makes

it better. why? because you don't have to go through the whole extended legal wrangle of getting everybody to agree and put it in law. what if they don't do it? they will do it, though. manufacturers wa nt will do it, though. manufacturers want to produce proof that people wa nt want to produce proof that people want to produce proof that people want to buy, otherwise they would go out of business. if people want food that has less sugar in it, they will find ways to do that. do people want to have foods which are less sugary? we have brought our children up to enjoy sugary foods, so i think it is a wider issue. there is an emphasis on the manufacturer, but also, labelling, marketing, enabling pa rents to labelling, marketing, enabling parents to make healthy choices. but i think people know they should be having less sugar but it is very ha rd having less sugar but it is very hard to know. there is too much information, so if we can make the

manufacturers have less sugar, then at least those choices, they will automatically be reducing the sugar in theirdiet. automatically be reducing the sugar in their diet. a lot of companies are doing that already. in their diet. a lot of companies are doing that alreadylj in their diet. a lot of companies are doing that already. i think also, you have to understand what sugar does in some things. sugar makes chicken dishes that you make at home go brown on top, because you put a little bit of honey and the source. 0r put a little bit of honey and the source. or it makes risk it's —— biscuits have a crisp taste. there are roles played by sugar, and we will have to decide which of those things we are prepared to have differently, and which we will have less of. enjoy the things you love, but have less of it. exactly, portion size is crucial. i think we need to target the appropriate foods. if we start targeting chicken ina sauce... foods. if we start targeting chicken

in a sauce... it is pretty much as you would expect, biscuits, puddings, pastries, ice cream. one of the key points in that whole document is, they say, focus on the big seven products. if you do that, then you can have a public health impact. we know that teenagers drink around 30% of their sugar through soft strings, so that is an easy way, cut the sugar in soft drinks. i think the unintended consequence of looking too much at sugar is that we might be demonising food which is otherwise healthy. a whole—grain breakfast cereal gives you nutrients and fibre. yes, we need to reduce the sugar in these so—called kids cereals, but let's not demonise the food. but there is sugar which has a purpose, like the browning or the texture, but then there is sugar which is added because it is a cheap ingredient. it has been about

reducing the amount of cocoa, adding more sugar, it is only being done because it is cheap, it does not make the chocolate taste any better. when you give the kids chocolate which has more cocoa than sugar, they like it just which has more cocoa than sugar, they like itjust as much. but it makes the chocolate bar considerably more expensive. of course, what they might do is just to make the chocolate bar smaller. and then buy two of them! is such a lazy way of getting around this. it is worse than that. if you make it smaller, the big issue is that many companies have actually kept the price is the same, or even raised them.|j have actually kept the price is the same, or even raised them. i heard a representative on the radio this morning, when asked, if you make it smaller, will the price come down? well, no, not necessarily. it is a good way to raise prices. there is

a lwa ys good way to raise prices. there is always price inflation anyway. if it is chocolate products, cocoa getting dearer, the prices will go up. but i think although a lot of people have reformulated soft drinks, people need to change their palate to want less sugar in their diet. one of the things about switching from sugar to things about switching from sugar to things like maple syrup or two lower calorie versions of sugar is and sweeteners, it still makes people wa nt sweeteners, it still makes people want sugary food. and there has to bea want sugary food. and there has to be a shift to the way we think. coming out of the second world war, people hadn't had that much sugar and they did not have the money to have it. we are more affluent now so we are able to have more of it. and so we are able to have more of it. and soi we are able to have more of it. and so i think we've got to re—educate people. honey monster puffs, they

have cut the sugar by ai%. they used to be the highest sugar breakfast cereal. it used to be sugar puffs. yes, it did. firstly, they never said it is lower sugar, and secondly, it took them 25 years to do it. if we look at assault as the model, we have been really successful at cutting down the salt over the years, we haven't told the consumer, but the industry has been fantastic at making these changes. bread is much less assaulted and it was ten years ago. and i believe we can do that with sugar. —— if we look at assault. it is about how practical it is, and i think this gradual change is what needs to happen. for the price benefits, we have been trained to expect the sweetness in our food. like the salt

model, if you reduce the sugar, even if it is done gradually, change into smaller portions does not change the core of the problem, that we are addicted to the taste of sugar. what do you say, professor, to those who say that because these guidelines are voluntary for the food and drink industry, and the government has not realised how serious the problem is, we have got the sugary drinks levy being introduced in april, that was from the child obesity plan last year? we have referred to the most successful policy in britain since the second world war, which was the salt. it was entirely voluntary. the reason being that they learned from the eu's experience. for decades, the eu's experience. for decades, the european union tried to harmonise, as they call it, food composition laws, and never got a single one done, because everybody was defending the way they did it in their country, or their brand.

volu nta ry their country, or their brand. voluntary guidelines, at least you can act on them quickly. and the industry does want to make food that people want to buy. so if there is demand for it, and that is what we saw with salt, people wanted that to happenjust saw with salt, people wanted that to happen just i also saw with salt, people wanted that to happenjust i also think saw with salt, people wanted that to happen just i also think traffic lighting on products, which makes it easier to see the composition, will mean that they will not be adding things which would be dapper mental, according to the traffic light signals. thank you all of you. the mother of a man believed to have left the country

after a four—year—old girl was killed by a car has pleaded for her son to contact police. violet grace youens died after being struck by a stolen vehicle while walking through st helens, in merseyside on friday. police are trying to trace 23 year old aidan mcateer, who is believed to have left the country hours after the crash. i'm joined by our correspondent lisa hampele. i stolen black ford fiesta hit four—year—old violet as she was walking in st helens with her grandmother. that was on friday and she died in hospital the next stage of her grandmother is now in a sta ble of her grandmother is now in a stable condition in hospital, serious but stable. we know that merseyside police released cctv images of two men fleeing the scene shortly afterwards. and there is an image of a man that they want to trace. what happened is that alicia mcateer recognised her son,

23—year—old aiden mcgeady, and she recognised the picture and she now says that she wants him to come forward. what i'm feeling is dreadful. but i wake up and the first thought is that family. and aidan coming home is not going to make it better, nothing is ever going to make it betterfor make it better, nothing is ever going to make it better for that family. but maybe they could get a bit of relief, knowing that the police have got him. aidan knows how much i love him. and i know how much he loves me. we can do this together. no—one else. i will get him through this, with every last breath i've got, i will get him through it. i'm not condoning

anything, but what has happened has happened, with him. and obviously, this family have got an horrific time, an horrific life... she was a little girl, and never going to get over that, ever. but little girl, and never going to get overthat, ever. but if little girl, and never going to get over that, ever. but if you come home, wherever he is, i will be there every step of the way with him. so that was the mother of aidan mcateer. and this is the little girl who lost her life. what has her mum said? well, she has posted a message on facebook thomas aiken, my beautiful little girl has passed away in my arms. she says, though she is heartbroken, she is very proud because her daughter was able to donate some of her organs. there has been a court appearance, another man has appeared before liverpool magistrate's court, dean brennan,

charged with theft of a motor vehicle and assisting an offender. and also a third man was arrested on suspicion of being, carrying a stolen vehicle, but he has been released pending further enquiries. still to come: the high profile campaign to get us talking about mental health. i came here and interviewed a person with depression andi interviewed a person with depression and i could see the person with depression looking at me and thinking, you are way sicker than i am. plans to repatriate over a0 years worth of powers from the european union will start this morning with the publication of a draft of the great repeal bill. the government paper intends to convert thousands of eu rules into british law. house of commons officials have

described the process as one of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the uk. david davis explained how it would work. what it does is, 40 years of european law, transfer that into uk law. it's not a straightforward process but it is a limited process. we have to do that in a way that works, so all the law works. that means when we start on the new trade deal, we are many the same place as every other country in europe. after that, we'll have to do legislation on immigration, customs and other things. that will be done substantially by parliament. there'll be a number of such laws i think. parliament will make those decisions. this is a big transformation. we shouldn't underestimate that we've got a task to do. it's moment us to but it's not beyond us. the insurance market, lloyd's of london, says it will open a new subsidiary in brussels in early 2019 because of

concerns about brexit. it's concerned that once the uk has left the eu it will lose the right to sell its products across the single market. the chief executive said customers shouldn't be worried about the move. nothing to worry about. in fact it helps secure the future of lloyds. about 5% of our business is impacted by the uk coming out of the eu and we wa nt by the uk coming out of the eu and we want to be able to provide continuous coverage and continue to issue insurance policies for customers based in the eu hence the need to set up an eu subsidiary. a privately—owned helicopter with five people on board has disappeared over north wales. the aircraft is believed to have been travelling from milton keynes to dublin, via caerna rfon bay. a land search is under way but the aerial search had to be suspended due to poor weather. health officials have published guidelines on the limits of sugar they believe should be put on foods.

itaims to they believe should be put on foods. it aims to cut the sugar consumed by children by 20% this decade. children consume three times more sugar each day than they should, putting them at risk of serious illnesses. more from me at 10. thank you very much for your messages. this tweet from nina. when my partner showed he was non—judgmental, understanding and saw me as a person, not as my eating disorder, i was able to talk. and this from simon, i left my mental health conversation for nearly two decades too long but when i did, my life began to improve immediately. i've got many more, keep them coming in. i'm going to read quite a lot of them in the next half hour when we talk about this. before that, here is the sport. here's some sport now withjessica. arsene wenger refused to confirm whether he'll remain as arsenal manager after the summer.

speaking at a press conference ahead of this weekend's match against manchester city, wenger said he could be at the club for two months or two years. britain'sjo pavey says it's a bittersweet feeling to receive a bronze medalfrom the 10,000 metres world championships injapan ten years after the race. she's been upgraded after the athlete who took the silver medal was retrospectively disqualified for doping. johanna konta is into the semi finals of the miami open after beating simona halep in three sets. she'll face venus williams next in the last four, overnight. and manchester city's women take a one nil aggregate lead into their champions league quarter final second leg at home to danish side fortuna yerring. it's city's first season in the competition. that's the sport, more at 10. thank you very much. how do you shatter the stigma around mental health? one way is to simply talk about it according to the duke and duchess of cambridge and prince harry who've

released a series of films as part of their heads together mental health campaign. we're going to talk to some of the people featured in those films injust a moment; they're here in the studio talking about the conversations they had with friends, loved ones, and relatives about their own mental health issues; but first here's one of the films commissioned by the royals, featuring former england cricketer andrew flintoff and rapper professor green. i think ithinki i think i was born with anxiety. i was brought up by my grandmother, my mum was 16 when i was born, my mum was the first person to leave when i

was the first person to leave when i was a year old. i was 2a and my dad took his own life and it wasn't until years later when i did a documentary for the bbc, i had a conversation with my nan. it's weird this happened for the first time on camera, but we spoke about it properly. i broke down. iwas petrified. it scared me, people are going to see me at my most vulnerable in a way that i don't often see myself. but that conversation changed everything because from that point everything was out in the open and i was able to then talk to my friends about it because my friends watched the programme. i knew that something's not right for a long time. and i ran away from it. this is not me, this is not happening. i bumbled on for a little bit. then i started, you know, living differently. i probably started to drink too much and tried to escape howl started to drink too much and tried to escape how i was feeling. then i did this documentary like you did andl did this documentary like you did and i spoke to ricky hatton about this and neil lennon and graham dot,

the spooker player, i was listening to them identifying and thinking, i've been through this. ricky hatton, actually you've gone through this, you are one of the hardest people i know and you can talk about it. i started thinking, if i start talking about problems, one, the people who followed me through my career, they're going to turn their backs on me because they think i'm one thing, everyone's going to think differently. did that happen? no! it was the complete opposite. it was like, people come up to me and said, wow, and then they'd start telling me about how they'd feel. i even had mates that i'd never think about. we then had different conversations. you have to be honest. then you have a conversation with someone and you engage with what you are talking about, you do unload everything and for me it's never planned, it always just comes out at a random time but the feeling of relief afterwards... it does feel like a weight‘s lifted,

doesn't it? yes. but the hardest thing for me initially was the hardest thing. i don't talk, i'm from the north of england, a working class family, we don't talk about our feelings! yes, yes, it was no different for me, a council estate in east london, i'm from, it's not something you spoke about. to me it seems a shame it's taken us all these years to be open and vocal about things. it's crazy when it opens up, it just about things. it's crazy when it opens up, itjust comes from being vocal. that one time. it's made me a happier person. i have less downs and more ups with being honest about how i feel. andrew flintoff and professor green. almost half of us have discussed mental health issues recently, and 8 out of 10 who did, thought the conversations were helpful. that's according to a yougov survey for heads together. opening up to someone for the first time about a mental health issue is often the hardest part. once that conversation starts, it could be the beginning of your recovery. let's talk to six people

who've taken that step. paramedic dan farnworth and his colleague rich morton, friends anni ferguson and naa—affie delalande—zankor and husband and wife, julie and phil eaglesham. and jst to say our conversations this morning are going to be frank open and you might find some details upsetting. welcome all of you. thank you so much for coming on the programme. dan, what were the warning signs that something was wrong? for me, it was probably a six—month period of slow decline. it related to flashbacks from a traumatic incident that we attended at work which was ultimately the murder of a child which for anybody would be really difficult to contend and deal with. but for me, i was having vivid flashbacks, i was having nightmares. during the day i'd find myself sat there, the tv would be on, i would

be staring at the wall, i wouldn't be staring at the wall, i wouldn't be talking to anybody, i'd just be thinking about what had happened. i felt myself slowly getting into a deeper and darker hole. it got to the point where i felt the world was passing by above my head. that's where you came in really and the conversation started. i knew i needed help. iwas conversation started. i knew i needed help. i was really scared of opening up and talking about mental health. i was scared that that would meani health. i was scared that that would mean i couldn't do myjob any more which is absolutely not the case. i was scared to open up to my wife, i was scared to open up to my wife, i was scared to open up to my wife, i was scared that she'd think it was a sign of weakness, you know, how can our men be like that, we are there to drive everything forward and support the family, how can i admit there was a problem. so i sent you a text didn't i mate and it developed from there. you eventually wrote a text, deleted it, wrote it again, deleted it and it was the third time ithink... deleted it and it was the third time i think... it was scary. then you shoved your phone under the pillow because you didn't know what the response would be? because you didn't know what the response would be ?|j because you didn't know what the response would be? i was scared. i was admitting for the first time to

somebody that i had an issue, that i needed help. and rich, what was your response? i'll come round, have a chat, but it was quite a big deal for me to get back to you and think about what i'm going to expect when i get there and what to say to you. sol i get there and what to say to you. so i maybe seen a difference at work, change in appearance and mood. normally laughing and joking, but he we nt normally laughing and joking, but he went reclusive. i knew something was up went reclusive. i knew something was up because we'd been good friends for about six—and—a—half years. to actually go round there, i was quite anxious myself, how do i instigate this conversation. but for me it was just listen. i know that my feelings weren't, or my anxiety was nowhere near as much as dan would be feeling at that time. what did you say to him? i opened up. it was the hardest conversation i've ever had. but as soon as conversation i've ever had. but as soon as rich arrived at the door, i

felt like the weight of the world was instantly lifted. the relief i already felt before i started speaking and the funny thing is, i already knew what i had to do, i just needed somebody to tell me that what i wanted to do was the right thing and to be there to support me. that was all it took. it changed everything. honestly, it was the first day of the rest of my life talking to rich about my problems. it's a conundrum, but when we talk about this, you know, two heads are better than one when it comes to mental health and this's absolutely the case and it's so true. definitely. wow. i mean, it's really powerful just hearing you definitely. wow. i mean, it's really powerfuljust hearing you two recall that time and how you say that was the kind of start of the change just taking that step. annie, hello. hi. you were on what should have been a really fa ntastic you were on what should have been a really fantastic girls holiday in barcelona. yes. tell me what happened on the beach? well, barcelona is my favourite city and we'd had such a great day, ourfirst day there. we'd had a lot of great

food and a few drinks and it was a couple of hours before the sun set so we couple of hours before the sun set so we went down to the sun loungers. all of a sudden, ijust kind of crashed and i felt that familiar kind of dark cloud come over me. i was really frustrated. all our friends were having a good time and i felt like, why can't i have a good time, why is this happening again, i'd kind of run away from london so that, you know, i'd be in my favourite city and be happy. sometimes i felt like, you know, i could lose friendships or i was behaving strangly because i hadn't expressd to anybody about how i felt and how i saw the world a lot. that's when i decided to just go to naaffi and have a conversation with her about how i was feeling. what did you say? i recognised the signs having been through something similar myself. i recognised she was depressed. this time she was owning

it, she was the one saying, this is my last resort, i need to get this off my chest and express howl my last resort, i need to get this off my chest and express how i feel. so it was firstly i felt honoured that she had that trust in me to confide in me, then it wasjust helping and guiding her and letting her know that you weren't alone, that you've got your friends, your support network with your family or whoever. but just really support network with your family or whoever. butjust really to have that support and actually say to her, what you're feeling at this moment in time is yours. what was the first thing you said because people don't know how to express it sometimes. what did you actually say? ijust said i wasn't having a good time, i apologised for bringing the mood down. i said, i need help, how can i not be having a good time here. remained me rich, of the words

tonne text? can you come round, i need a chat. simple as that? it was so need a chat. simple as that? it was so simple. put the kettle on, i'm on my way, and the relief was unbelievable. it's just taking that step. it really was the most difficult step to take. but the best step you ever will take. ok. we are going to hearfrom phil and julie in a moment and cooper the dog can make another appearance:th. i want you all to take a look at this film, ruby wax and her husband, ed. they talk about the moment when she told him about the state of her mental health. secondly that i have been married

twice before. and thirdly, that i was mentally ill. which one was the head bash? all three cilic was like a concussive blow. you can imagine a grenade went off, and then it had sudden... then i started laughing. you laughed. and then i signed the register, best wishes, ruby wax! and then we never mentioned it again. no, not really. did it ever scare you that i had said that? it wasn't a huge surprise. but it sort of does things like,, yeah, that might explain this or that. this was when i knew that you were the best news ever, i had to interview somebody who was mentally ill in a hospital. everybody in the institution said, are you insane? they all cheered me asi

are you insane? they all cheered me as i left, and then i came here and interviewed a person with depression. and i could see the person with depression looking at me and thinking, you are away sick than lam! and and thinking, you are away sick than i am! and then everybody clapped. whenever you got depression, you could see there was a sort of panic because of the confusion about what was happening in your head. if you're close to somebody with depression, you're close to somebody with de ression ou've you're close to somebody with depression, you've got to help them make the first move, to understand that they are sick. in your case, it is to be amongst people who suffer the same thing, so they can compare notes and talk to each other and support each other. i have seen you talk to other people who have depression, it is kind of like a unique club. i'm only relieved, really, when i'm with other people that have mental illness. if i see the eyes of another, we have this understanding, and that's the healing. ruby wax and her husband. phil i don't think it was your wedding day when you opened up to

julie, but tell me how canjulie first discovered you were struggling? i think it went back to when i had a moment, we were away in jersey, it was a respite holiday with the marines and i started to struggle with being able to get places, and my disability and being ina places, and my disability and being in a wheelchair and things like that. we ended up coming back and having a family holiday, and julie did some research on how i could overdose, or what would be the best way. and stupidly i probably left it on the ipad and she found it. and from there, she never let me out of her sight for about six months!” can't imagine how you would have felt, having seen that your husband was researching ways to end his life? i was deeply saddened, i was hurt, iwas life? i was deeply saddened, i was hurt, i was angry. i thought, how could he contemplate doing something like this? did he not think about us? but then it came back to me

realising that he was just thinking about ending the pain he was in, and struggling to deal with how he was struggling to deal with how he was struggling with his own emotions.” was a different person, really. a com pletely was a different person, really. a completely different person for a few years, completely different person for a few yea rs, someone completely different person for a few years, someone i did not even recognise. the things i was saying didn't make sense to anyone. like what? i think for that six months before we actually told someone, i was trying to tell people but not knowing whether people could understand. everything i said i understood in my head but no—one could understand a word. it wasn't the accent, it was more to do with how i was saying things! then i became reclusive, and the more it got worse. sitting in my seat, curtains closed, making excuses for everything, just didn't leave the house. yes, didn't tell anyone. julie would hurt herself lifting me

up julie would hurt herself lifting me up and! julie would hurt herself lifting me up and i thought i was a burden on herand the up and i thought i was a burden on her and the kids, up and i thought i was a burden on herand the kids, not up and i thought i was a burden on her and the kids, not being able to get on with their life. i thought it would be better at that stage if i wasn't around. but it's not true. she is stuck with me unfortunately now. but it was a long period that you wouldn't allow me to tell anyone. and i think that was through fear of being ashamed. ashamed, i thought i was weak. there's that whole stigma around mental health. if that stigma wasn't there, and what this campaign is trying to do, i would not have got to that point where i tried to end my life. tha nkfully where i tried to end my life. thankfully we've got... u nfortu nately, thankfully we've got... unfortunately, we've got friends and family who have suffered, and people who are not here today. it is important to me to get rid of that stigma so that i never go back there myself, but also my kids and my friends are my family. in the end, i think you posted on facebook and you did talk to your best friend, and

then you two had a conversation. was that the order of it? yes, i talked to my best friend at the time, i can't even remember what i said, it wasjust, i tried to kill myself. and i think it affected him massively. this does not affect me, it affects everybody outside of the family. the next day we told a medical team. i still think we hadn't talked about it as a matip was still too difficult to talk to julie about. was still too difficult to talk to julie about. the team recognised i think the symptoms and the warning signs. but didn't realise how bad philip had got because he had become reclusive and wasn't talking to anyone and wasn't letting out how things truly were. people judge with their eyes, things truly were. people judge with theireyes, and things truly were. people judge with their eyes, and that is how we live asa their eyes, and that is how we live as a society. we can understand what we see. because we can't see mental health, we don't know how people

react to it. and that's a big fear. that it is a physical problem that we are dealing with and getting over thatis we are dealing with and getting over that is very important. we have had some anime messages. i don't underestimate what it takes for you to talk about this on national television, and also what it takes for our audience to get in touch and share their experiences. john says... i had a lady who approached me as says... i had a lady who approached measa says... i had a lady who approached me as a martial arts instructor, she needed to learn to defend herself against her ex—husband who was regularly hurting her with beeping is beatings. she needed help badly. we have now been happily married for 28 years. she still battles her mental health demons and life is not a lwa ys mental health demons and life is not always easy for her but we love each other more as each day goes by. she is proof that you can improve your mental health if you take the right steps and get help. wow! pat says this, and this is where you may be able to help. my 20—year—old granddaughter has been suffering

from depression, night terrors, suicidal thoughts and anxiety. it started when she was 17. last year she tried to take her own life. a p pa re ntly she tried to take her own life. apparently part of her treatment is to write a blog. and this went out yesterday on her facebook page. we has her grandparents are unsure how we can help her. can anyone give us some guidance on doing this? we are worried and we want to be supported grandparents. what would you say?” think it'sjust to be open with her. there is a stigma around the old and the bold, where we don't talk about it, and it is not an actual fact that there. but the main thing is, it's not a weakness in anyone. we've always said, and the people here, dare anyone say that we are weak now, because the things we have gone through in the past, i am actually probably a stronger person now than i have ever been. so she will come out the other end a stronger and better person. so when you say to

pat, the open with her 20—year—old granddaughter, does that mean picking up the phone and texting, and saying, do you want to talk to me, iam and saying, do you want to talk to me, i am here? yes. i think that blog will be... there will be some hurtful things in it. reading that is going to wound whoever loves her. soi is going to wound whoever loves her. so i think ultimately what they have to do is read it and not take it as a criticism, but maybejust to do is read it and not take it as a criticism, but maybe just turn around and say, ok, we have got the bigger picture here, we are beginning to understand where she's coming from, and then offer the support from there. also, allow her to say it, because she is not internalising, so allow her to say whatever is on her mind truly you have to realise as well, you take it out on your nearest and dearest. i took it out onjulie and my kids. that was where i was safe to get angry or whatever. so if she gets angry or whatever. so if she gets angry at her, don't take it personally. it's actually a

condiment because that is who you are more comfortable with. can i asked specifically about mental health issues the team it is taboo, you don't talk about the words depression in your community? not really. why? it seems that mental health issues are an extreme thing. especially coming from an african, ghanaian community, which we both do, everybody is very supported if, if you say you're depressed or you have mental health issues, but depression is not necessarily a word ora depression is not necessarily a word or a concept that we like to use. if you were brought up here, your pa rents you were brought up here, your parents or a lot of your family struggled back home, and it kind of seems ungrateful. how can you possibly be depressed in the fifth richest economy in the world, sort of thing? yes, what could possibly be wrong with you? and i think that isa be wrong with you? and i think that is a big thing. also, because most black people see mental health

institutions through coercive means. perhaps maybe through prison or through hospital. and because we don't go early and get help, it kind of escalates. and so, straightaway, people are sectioned and there's a high amount of the black community are sectioned. prince harry and the duke and duchess of cambridge believe we are at a tipping point when it comes to mental health in this country — do you agree? absolutely, we have been in a position where it has been a taboo subject for a long time. i think ourselves included, who have experienced mental health problems, can see the benefit of opening up and talking about it. i think now, the whole of society is starting to recognise the importance of it but we have got to really keep driving it and keep the conversation going and let everybody know that it is important to talk. we understand the power of that, and i think society

asa power of that, and i think society as a whole is starting to understand that. it has been really good that the royal foundation is supporting this. tipping point might be the accurate phrase, but there are still some people who do not understand depression, anxiety, that it is a real thing. this is from ian, who texted. i am 35, i live in london, i have had mental health issues for 20 yea rs. have had mental health issues for 20 years. i do believe people need to open up but unfortunately the stigma still exists. i opened up to my boss and team in a recent role in the city of london. it actually made them put up barriers, it created silences. i even got the response from one colleague who said, i don't talk about emotion and things, so don't expect me to. it is fear. what should they do, find someone else to talk to? yes. i'm on my fourth psychologist. it took the fourth one, i don't know what he done, whether it was voodoo or whatever. it is not voodoo, we know that!”

don't understand it, what that talking therapy did, but it was the fourth person. and the point is, don't give up. let me read some more messages. darren says, i am a mental health nurse working for the nhs. even us professionals don't talk enough. in february a beautiful colleague of mine aged 23 took her own life because of mental health problems. even with all the experts around her every day and her friends, no—one knew the pain she was experiencing. we all need to talk more and be open and honest. it is herfuneral tomorrow. talk more and be open and honest. it is her funeral tomorrow. i talk more and be open and honest. it is herfuneral tomorrow. i love her andi is herfuneral tomorrow. i love her and i miss her dearly. stuart says, coming to terms with anxiety and depression was not only difficult for me to understand but after a few yea rs of for me to understand but after a few years of feeling alone in thinking that i was weird and different, i decided to speak to my mum and close friends and they helped me in the right direction. you go through stages feeling like you are in the dark and there is no way, but suddenly, there is light and hope. have to remember that talking helps,

action to help yourself will also help you. can you relate to that, the dark and then the light?” help you. can you relate to that, the dark and then the light? i think we all put on some kind of disguise, a smile when people are around. for me, being in the military, iwas always clean—shaven, and my beard became my disguise, so people would not recognise me and ask me howl was, sol not recognise me and ask me howl was, so i did not have to put a smile on. i am sure people here was, so i did not have to put a smile on. lam sure people here have had that as well. the facade you put on, the act you put on, to relate to everyday life in situations. it is just that, it is a mask. it's going to crumble, you need to feel it.” think even more so in ourjob is in we are there to look after people. you don't want to have this facade on that you are well yourself. there isa on that you are well yourself. there is a big thing in the emergency services. the same in the nhs. you put your uniform on, it is not a

cloa k of put your uniform on, it is not a cloak of armour, its not going to stop you being affected by what you're dealing with. same for the armed forces. it is a taboo, that we think, this will protect us. it genuinely will not, and that's why we need to start the conversation, like darren said, within the health ca re like darren said, within the health care industry, we all need to start looking after ourselves, as well as others. thank you all of you for coming in. and thanks to cooper, we would not have known there was a dog in the studio! what a beautiful animal! thank you for bringing him in as well. thank you all of you. we can bring you the latest weather now. there is some good news on the weather front today, and some news thatis weather front today, and some news that is not so great. we have some

cloud and rain across western parts of the uk. but the other side of the country is warming up, so, a tale of two halves today. this is the weather front. notice these yellow and orange colours, indicating the temperature, showing that these up and coming from the south is warm. this is the satellite picture of the cloud and rain that we have observed over the last few hours. and this is the warm air wafting up from the south. for today, we're talking about cloudy skies and some rain across western areas. starting with scotland, because this is where the air isa scotland, because this is where the air is a little bit fresher today. bits of rain in northern ireland. it is wet across the lake district. a bit of rain across western wales and down into the south—west of england. a large chunk of england, the weather is not looking bad at all.

quite a big cut—off there between the warm and the cooler air. top temperatures today i think, 22 degrees, in london. a very warm day for this time of the year. him about the state of her mental health. tonight a mild night. tonighta mild night. into tonight a mild night. into tomorrow, in the morning there'll be some cloud and rain but it tends to brighten up a little in the afternoon. i think somewhat fresher tomorrow, typically around 15, 16. again, still a bit of cloud and rain across the north and west. now the weekend — looking mixed, that is for sure. on saturday it's a mixture of sunshine and april showers. we are into april. then on sunday, high pressure builds once again from the south. you can see it's nosing up from the south. that means the weather will dry out, there'll be

light winds, more sunshine around, not sky high temperatures, but for most around 15, butjust not sky high temperatures, but for most around 15, but just about 17 there in london. the outlook for next week is looking relatively promising. let's get through the weekend first of all and today of course, enjoy it. bye. hello it's thursday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. in just over an hour's time we'll find out the government's plan to convert tens of thousands of eu rules into british law as it publishes details of the great repeal bill. ministers deny theresa may's threatening to blackmail europe by ending security cooperation unless we get a trade deal. and we'll be looking specifically at employment law and what kind of working environment we want to create in this country. we'll look into mental health, we

have films on mental health and we've been hearing how important it is to tell those close to you how you feel. i i opened up. it was the hardest conversation i'd ever had but as soon as rich arrived, i felt the weight had been instantly lifted. i kind of said, i'm not having a good time, i apologised for my behaviour because i felt like i was bringing the mood down and i just said, i need help, how can i not be having a good time here. you can get in touch and tells your own experiences this morning. if you humiliate ex—lovers with revenge porn should you go to jail? in certain circumstances yes, according to new sentencing guidelines. we'll be discussing what those are and hearing from a woman who thinks her former partner's sentence didn't reflect the damage he caused. here is annita with a summary of the day's news. plans to repatriate more than forty

years worth of powers from the european union will start this morning with the publication of a draft of the great repeal bill. the government paper intends to convert thousands of eu rules into british law. house of commons officials have described the process as one of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the uk. retired college lecturer, neil conway has lost his high court bid to challenge the law on assisted dying. that just to challenge the law on assisted dying. thatjust in. the insurance market, lloyd's of london, says it will open a new office in brussels in early 2019. lloyds says it's concerned that once the uk has left the eu, it will lose the right to sell its products across the single market, but its chief executive said customers shouldn't be concerned about the move. nothing to worry about. in fact it

strengthens our business. we want to be able to provide continuous coverage and continue to issue insurance policies for customers based in the eu hence the need to set upa based in the eu hence the need to set up a subsidiary. a helicopter has gone missing. the aerial search has been suspended due to poor wealth but the land search continues. holly hamilton is in caernarfon. weather conditions is not improved since that search was called off here late last night. we are waiting foran called off here late last night. we are waiting for an update on that operation to find out when it will resume on the search for that missing helicopter. we know that it left milton keynes shortly before midday yesterday morning. it was due to stop here in caernarfon, it does not arrive, all contact was lost and

there were no sightings so the uk coastguard was informed immediately. that search operation was launched just after a yesterday afternoon. that involved two coastguard helicopters that searched across north wales right across to dublin, but because of the poor weather and the poor visibility here, that search was called off late last night. now, north wales police have resumed the search today on ground, they've called in mountain rescue teams across snowdonia, they're focussing their search on that area. at the minute, we know very little about the five individuals who're on board that aircraft. we know that it was a privately—owned twin red helicopter. members of the public have been asked to dial 999 if they saw that red helicopter yesterday afternoon. we are waiting for an update on when the search will resume. they've said they are unable to start that search again while the

weather remains like this. unless anything changes, there'll be no updates in the next while. the duke and duchess of cambridge and prince harry have released a series of films as part of their heads together campaign designed to encourage people to talk about mental health. the project aims to help end the stigma around mental health. the former england cricket captain andrew flintoff and the rapper professor green, were among the celebrities who've been sharing their experiences. the home secretary, amber rudd, will hold talks today with senior executives from social media companies and internet service providers. she'll urge them to do more to help combat terrorist activity. the meeting was arranged before last week's terror attack in westminster. that's a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 10.30. thank you to phillipa who texted saying, i was able and capable up until two years ago, i never felt i'd be mentally ill. i've been well

supported by friends and family and the nhs. since revealing my condition, many friends have admitted they also struggle with it. it's much more common than we think. thank you very much. do get in touch with us through the next hour of the programme. you don't have to use your name but i'm interesting to hear about the conversations you've had about your mental health, particularly the first conversation. here's some sport now withjessica. we're hanging on for a decision from arsenal manager arsene wenger on his future at the club. and we're still in suspense, because wenger refused to confirm whether he'll stay after the summer. he's been under increasing pressure in recent months, with arsenal sitting sixth in the premier league and four defeats in the last five matches. here is what he said. i'm very clear

in my mind, but anyway, here is what he said. i'm very clear in my mind, butanyway, i here is what he said. i'm very clear in my mind, but anyway, i stay two months, two years, my commitment will be the same all the time. the time i've spent here is not influencing my attitude. well our reporter david ornstein was at that press conference and david, wenger, seemed very relaxed. what wiz his demeanour like? he was the most comfortable in a pre—match news co nfe re nce the most comfortable in a pre—match news conference that i've seen him in quitea news conference that i've seen him in quite a while. he looked refreshed after the last game, plenty of laughs. i think we know the direction in which we could be travelling here. it seems that arsene wenger wants to stay as arsenal manager, the club want him to remain as arsenal manager. we have known for a while that there's been a contract offer on the table for him, a two—year deal. that's perhaps why he mentioned two months or two years. he also said that it's

not completely sorted out yet. that's why i don't think this is set in stone, it could go the other way depending on the atmosphere around the fan base and the result. they play manchester city at the weekend and the fa cup semi—finals towards the end of april, so it looks like wenger is probably going to stay as arsenal manager, sign a new deal, but that is not set in stone. it's not just speculation about but that is not set in stone. it's notjust speculation about his future but the future of alexi sanchez. he said he's happy but wa nts to sanchez. he said he's happy but wants to be at a club with a winning mentality. what do you make of that? will we see sanchez in an arsenal shirt next season? wenger was asked what he made of those quotes which came from chile where he was away. wenger urged caution on the quotes but he said he takes them in a very positive way, tongue—in—cheek, there's only one team in london so he's happy is. i think personally

he's happy is. i think personally he's happy is. i think personally he's happy here, i hope he will stay. you have to be very cautious when people give interviews in their home country. now, he also spoke about how in the past arsenal have had to sell some of their best players, the likes of van persie and fabregas, was that's not the case any more, he said, and they can keep hold of them. he reiterated that he hopes sanchez and ozil will sign new contracts. and the demeanour that wenger gave off suggested he's pretty confident that both will stay. but it's a crucial two months now for arsenal's season and you suppose that could make or break the future of both wenger, sanchez and ozil. crucial indeed. thank you, david. more sport later. today prime minister theresa may will publish details of her plans for what's called the great repeal bill although it should perhaps be called the great retention bill because it's all about importing and retaining thousands

and thousands of eu laws but enshrining them in british law. this process will have consequences for almost every sector of british business because it will allow the government to decide what maternity pay, holiday pay and pensions will look like. our political guru norman smith is in westminster. this is a hugejob this is a huge job to download all the laws isn't it? it's massive, vic. i mean, i can't recall anything as big as that in recent years. i mean, if you think we have been a member of the eu for over a0 years, during that time there have been thousands upon thousands, someone estimated 80,000 different eu rules, regulations, directives, all of which are now going to have to be rewritten so they apply in british law. so there's a massive undertaking and it's going to eat up a huge amount of parliamentary time. that probably means there isn't

going to be much scope for the government to be able to do anything else because so much of its legislative energy will be devoted to this. it also leaves open the possibility that if mps wanted to cause mrs may grief, this bill, as a vehicle for brexit mutiny, it has the potential for mps who want to cause trouble to cause trouble. now, i don't think that's likely to happen because in the really contentious areas around say employment law or environment law, the government already said don't worry, all that is going to go into british law exactly the same. if you listen to the man who used to be in charge of the admin of commons business, the clerk to the commons, this morning he was warning that getting this done could take years after we have even left the eu. getting this done could take years after we have even left the sum won'tjust be two after we have even left the sum won't just be two years. after we have even left the sum won'tjust be two years. how long will it be? it could go on for a decade, the tidying up, the instant

or the brexit day arrangements have obviously got to be made because thatis obviously got to be made because that is an unmissable deadline, but there'll be an awful lot to do after that. interesting. what is the reaction in europe about the idea that mrs may is trying to potentially or suggesting linking security cooperation to a trade teal? you know, interestingly, we had that very conciliatory tone from theresa may yesterday, the one thing that really jarred, the real sna pth may yesterday, the one thing that reallyjarred, the real snapth snag, was that linkage around security cooperation and a future brexit trade deal. —— the real snag. the fire hose has been trying to dampen down the fact that they think this is blackmail central. if a way, when you think about it, they couldn't really do that. could you imagine

britain not passing on information about terrorism and security threats to other eu countries, it's not really a runner. the point of it was more to sort of politely remind the rest of the eu of the benefits britain brings to europe. i don't think it was meant as a threat. listening to david davis this morning, in fact, listening to david davis this morning, infact, you listening to david davis this morning, in fact, you get the sense that they are determined, not just to maintain good relations with the rest of europe, but to do so in order to ensure what they're hoping is going to be an incredibly generous and big deal. have a listen to mr davis. the classical approach for a politician doing a negotiation is to reduce expectation. that's what people think is the sophisticated way. we are playing for the national interest here. i'm aiming as high as conceivably possible. i want the best possible benefits from the european union, i'm not going to apologise for aiming for that. achieving it of course is a matter of negotiation and negotiations are uncertain, but

that's what we are aiming at. there will have to be big compromises and concessions. the difficulty faced by theresa may is, she will have to bring her package back to westminster to sell out to her backbenchers, and of course to ask other public. some of europe's leaders will be discussing brexit amongst other things in malta this morning. what kind of mood do you think they are in? i mean, there has been discussion of this potential link between security and trade, but overall, i think when they read the letter, there was the regret that we finally are leaving. and secondly, a sense of relief in many ways. the

overall tone of the letter was actually pretty conciliatory, we need to work together, we need to get a deal which works for everyone. was none of this, no deal is better than a bad deal, which we had heard from teresa me before. what they are trying to do now is to work out exactly what their first formal response to the letter will be. donald tusk has said that by about this time tomorrow, he will release d raft this time tomorrow, he will release draft guidelines which will be debated in the other 27 z and agreed ina debated in the other 27 z and agreed in a month's time. those guidelines will form the basis for the way the european commission negotiates with the uk over the next few months. one thing we heard yesterday from angela merkel and i suspect she will repeat it when she speaks in the building here later today is that we do have to work on the principles of the divorce agreement first. that doesn't mean we have to cross every

tand doesn't mean we have to cross every t and not every i. but we have to agree on that first. after that, we can then move on to talk about the things which the uk really wants to talk about, which is the future relationship, and trade and so forth. so there will be some disagreement about the structure of the talks, but i don't think it will necessarily be insurmountable. reuters reporting, you may know about this, that francois hollande, outgoing french president, has found teresa me to say pretty much what you have just said, teresa me to say pretty much what you havejust said, that teresa me to say pretty much what you have just said, that the talks must first be about the terms of withdrawal, dealing with citizens rights and obligations and commitments of the uk. yeah. everything i have heard is that people in the of eu are pretty

united on this point, that this is the way they want it to be structured. in other words the commission would be pretty much forbidden to talk about trade at this stage. david davis may say, we wa nt to this stage. david davis may say, we want to talk about trade now. but mr barnier will say, i've got no mandate to talk about that. we have to talk about the rights of eu citizens, and uk citizens elsewhere in the eu, the divorce bill, and possibly also the border between the republic of ireland and northern ireland. it is the only land border between the uk and a country which will remain in the eu. i think the european leaders are very aware of the need to address that early on. let's talk about workers' rights, then. much of the rights in this country are under eu law. they will be downloaded, copied and pasted, however you want to say it, into british law. or will they? however you want to say it, into british law. orwill they? it however you want to say it, into british law. or will they? it is a concern for some people that not everything will be enshrined. we speak to jane malyon, a small business owner that

employs five people, schona jolly who is a leading employment rights barrister and the tuc‘s employment rights advocate hannah reed. good morning, all of you. hannah reed, do you have any concerns? well, the prime minister has made a commitand, a well, the prime minister has made a commit and, a promised well, the prime minister has made a commitand, a promised in well, the prime minister has made a commit and, a promised in public, that all rights from europe will be protected and will be enshrined in uk law through the great repeal bill. we will of course be getting the terms of that bill to make sure that every right is there. what we're saying to the government is, we're saying to the government is, we need further assurances, that those rights will be protected for the long—term, and also that the uk doesn't fall behind the rest of our european partners. uk workers deserve the same rights as german workers, as those in france, spain and italy. what kind of rights are you talking about? well, many of us probably don't realise that many of the rights we presume we have, we expect we have, come from europe. the right to paid holidays, the

right for equal treatment for agency workers, the rights for women who are pregnant to have paid time off to attend antenatal appointments, and also important and the discolouration laws, making sure that lgbt workers, black and ethnic minority workers, disabled workers, are not discrimination against in the workplace. do you have concerns, schona jolly? the workplace. do you have concerns, schona jolly? i think there are a variety of really serious concerns. you have theresa may saying, of course workers' rights will be protected. on the other hand, you have this great red tape challenge. and you have a lot of the reasons given by the pro—wreck camp as being directed. so you have that threat of the regulation, which we have heard reiterated by prime minister may herself. —— reiterated by prime minister may herself. — — by reiterated by prime minister may herself. —— by the pro—brexit camp. there is an inherent contrition and

we have to see how they will square that circle. but there is also another concern. what we've lost, or what we will lose by the time that we brexit, is the protection of the european institutions, the european laws, they are our floor, they are not a ceiling, they are a floor. what that means is that we will never stopped from protecting workers' rights in greater detail. but what we were stopped from was diminishing them below that floor. now, once the great repeal bill is through, once brexit has taken place, in 2019 or whenever that is, it is likely that the government will then have a sort of pick and mix approach to the laws that currently have been protected by europe, that favour workers. so it's not just about what happens today europe, that favour workers. so it's notjust about what happens today in this white paper, it's not about even what happens by 2019, it is

about safeguarding the future. jane, tell us about the business that you run,jane tell us about the business that you run, jane malyon? tell us about the business that you run, jane malyon? i run the english cream tea company out in essex and we send out afternoon tea hampers all over great britain, the sort that you would get in a london hotel, that type of afternoon tea, but we also export the delights of afternoon tea, except of course leaving out the cream and the sandwiches that would go off before it arrives in america and australia. as an employer, in a small business, you have five members of staff, are there some eu laws that protect workers' rights that you would actually like to see junked because you regard them as bureaucratic? yes. i can put on both hats because iam also yes. i can put on both hats because i am also a mother, and i have got sons out of employment, and i want them to have rights. of course i love our employees and we want them to be well looked after. but as a

micro—business, some of the laws are very micro—business, some of the laws are very own response on us and micro—business, some of the laws are very own response on us and would stop us being able to expand at times. give us an example. well, we've just been through maternity leave with one of our lovely ladies, and so we want her to be well looked after, and of course, we did everything we could to help her with her maternity leave but she took a full year off. and for a tiny business, and at the time she was one third of our staff, we have expanded since. and so we were left floundering, not really able to replace her. you have to be careful with what you're doing. we don't wa nt to with what you're doing. we don't want to go trick or tribunal, and we wa nt to want to go trick or tribunal, and we want to be fair to her and she is fantastic. but it left us limping for a year. and so the laws which could apply to larger companies who could apply to larger companies who could perhaps cope much better with losing a third of their workforce surely shouldn't apply so rigorously two tiny little businesses? let me be clear about that, are you saying that if you're a small business

with, say, five members of staff, or three, as it was, women should have reduced but energy leave? no, i would like more government help for the business to support worker in that situation. ok, but you can claim back the maternity pay that you claim back the maternity pay that y°u pay claim back the maternity pay that you pay her? you can but it doesn't cover everything, it really doesn't. what are the other costs, then? it's covered all the basics, it certainly didn't cover her going off for medical and so on, and then the holiday leave and the bank holidays that have had to be accounted for, going forward. so itjust didn't feel like we work with pro crowe at all. i am sorry to interrupt, i am just trying to establish the facts — it didn't feel like it was quid pro quo, but was it? no, i don't believe so. quo, but was it? no, i don't believe so. did you check the box? my

husband runs that side of it, i'm sorry we have not got him sitting here to answer that. but we have really struggled with this. and do you think you would still be saying that if you had found someone to replace that woman? that wouldn't be appropriate because she is coming back to work as of next week and off we go again. i mean replaced the 12 months, it is a long time to struggle on? it is and we took on various part—timers but it is never the central it takes a few weeks for them to hit the ground running and absorb what they have to do. and you might not get the same commitment from somebody who is only going to be with you for a short space of time. hannah reed, schona jolly, a reaction to that? we believe employment rights are very important for working people. people would be very hard—pressed to find anyone who voted to leave the european union because they wanted to see fewer worker rights. we recognise that there may be a case for greater support for small businesses from

the government, for individuals who ta ke the government, for individuals who take maternity leave and who take time off. but more importantly we would argue that everybody, regardless of whether you work for a small large business, should get basic and settlements, including the ability to take maternity leave. obviously, there are government agencies which can support small businesses to help them to recruit to cover maternity leave.” businesses to help them to recruit to cover maternity leave. i think what's very interesting about those comments are that jane what's very interesting about those comments are thatjane is what's very interesting about those comments are that jane is not asking actually for maternity provisions to be reduced, she's actually asking the government help.” be reduced, she's actually asking the government help. i think that probablyjust the government help. i think that probably just makes hannah the government help. i think that probablyjust makes hannah reed's point, that actually people are not looking for a reduction in workers' rights. and so there really does need to be commitment notjust now but beyond 2019 for those rights to be protected. thank you all. good luck with the business. thank you very much for all your comments

about the conversations you have had about the conversations you have had about mental health and your own experiences. this e—mail from carol... i'm almost 63 and i've had depression and anxiety for as long asi depression and anxiety for as long as i can remember. i was born in 195a, my father was a violent alcoholic. my mum also drank. they both smoked and neither of them showed us any love. i can only describe my childhood as a refuge of i'm so glad that people are bringing this situation into the present day and encouraging others to talk about it. i hope future generations will get the care and support that my family never got. sharon says... because of the stigma around mental health, my 15—year—old daughter tried to take her life to stop the voices in her head. i believe if mental health was talked about more in school, children like my daughter might not struggle as much and for as long. she's now diagnosed with psychosis, paranoid episodes and depression. it's going to be a long road but her mental health team are very good. thank you very much for those. i've got so many, i will try

to read as many as i can before the end of the programme. if you want to talk to somebody, if you're experiencing mental health issues, then you can get more information and support and advice from the bbc‘s action line page. still to come. . . bbc‘s action line page. still to come... the story of the leading bitcoin developer who went to fight in syria. and should you be jailed for revenge pornography? we will speak to one young woman who thinks her ex wasn't punished enough. plans to repatriate more than forty years worth of powers from the european union will start this morning with the publication of a draft of the great repeal bill. the government paper intends to convert thousands of eu rules into british law. house of commons officials have

described the process as one of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the uk. brexit secretary david davis explained how it will work. what it does first off so that people understand, it takes all of the a0 years of european law up to the a0 years of european law up to the point when we leave and it puts it into uk law. that is not a straightforward process but it's a limited process. we do that in a way that it work, so a that all the law continues to work. that means when we start on the eu trade deal, we are in the same place as every other country in europe. after that, we'll have to do legislation on immigration, customs and other things and that will be done substantially by parliament, though there'll be a number of such laws i think. parliament will make those decisions. this is a big transformation. we shouldn't underestimate that we've got a task to do. it's moment us to but it's not beyond us. the insurance market,

lloyd's of london, says it will open a new office in brussels in early 2019. lloyds says it's concerned that once the uk has left the eu, it will lose the right to sell its products across the single market. a retired college lecturer who is terminally ill has lost a high court bid to challenge the law on assisted dying. neil conway, who is 67 and has motor neurone disease, says the 1961 suicide act condemns him to an undignified and terrifying death. some news just some newsjust in. a man has been arrested in dudley after three members of same family were found stabbed at their home. police were called to an address in stourbridge where they found a man, woman and boy with serious injuries. a car stolen from outside the house was stopped by police and a man in his 20s was arrested. more on that developing story as we get it. a privately owned helicopter with five

people on board has disappeared over north wales. it's believed to have been travelling from milton keynes to dublin via caernarfon bay. a land search is under way but the aerial search is under way but the aerial search has been suspended due to poor wealth. organisers of the oscars say they'll continue to work with the accountancy firm pwc despite the mistake which led to la la land being wrongly announced as winner of best picture instead of moonlight. this is the moment hollywood realised someone didn't follow the script last month to make sure a follow the script last month to make surea similar follow the script last month to make sure a similar mistake doesn't happen next year there'll be an extra accou nta nt happen next year there'll be an extra accountant on hand and electronic devices will be banned backstage. that's a summary of the latest news — join me for bbc newsroom live at 11 o'clock. here's some sport now. we're hanging on for a decision from arsenal manager arsene wenger on his future at the club. and we're still in suspense, because wenger refused to confirm whether he'll stay after the summer. he's been under increasing pressure in recent months,

with arsenal sitting sixth in the premier league and four defeats in the last five matches. jo pavey says it's a bitter sweet feeling to receive a medal ten years after the race. she was upgraded after the race. she was upgraded after the race. she was upgraded after the athlete who took the silver was disqualified for doping. johanna konta is into the semi—finals of the him mile open. she'll face venus williams next in the last four, to be played overnight. manchester city's women ta ke overnight. manchester city's women take ona overnight. manchester city's women take on a 1—0 aggregate lead into the champions league quarter—finals second leg at home to danish side fortu na. best second leg at home to danish side fortuna. best of luck to them. that's all the sport. police can face a backlog of up to five months to analyse computers linked to suspected paedophiles, a report by an mp has found. ann coffey highlighted the delays as part of a study into child sexual exploitation in greater manchester.

the report found the number of "known or suspected" child sex offenders in the region had risen to 1,139, double the number recorded in 201a. ann is with me in the studio now. probably worth reminding our audience in terms of what you found in the report, then we can compare and contrast. what i found was that there were attitudes which blamed the children for their own sexual exploitation. some were seen for their own sexual exploitation. some were seen as for their own sexual exploitation. some were seen as prostitutes, some we re some were seen as prostitutes, some were seen as some were seen as prostitutes, some were seen as making a lifestyle choice. of course, that created barrier, because victims, if they feel they are not going to be blamed, are not going to come forward and say they've been sexually abused. so i looked at some aspects of that report and found that there was a greater awareness and understanding of child sexual exploitation among the police, other agencies and the public. that of course has led to a higher level of

reporting of child sexual offences against children which is shocking when it begins to reveal the extent of child abuse in greater manchester and probably they‘ re of child abuse in greater manchester and probably they're still unreported particularly in relation to child sexual ex—employmentation of boys. but that increase in the number of people reporting is a good thing, however it has a knock—on effect for the police and the resources they can put to this crime and what has been the knock—on oaf? —— child sexual exploitation. 85% of child exploitation begins online. now, it's very important to disrupt that activity quickly because the paedophiles can contact many, because the paedophiles can contact any, because the paedophiles can contact many, many, many children. so any delay in seizing their computer, examining the evidence, prosecuting them, means that other children are put in danger. so it's very, very

important that the police have the resources to disrupt this activity by these paedophiles. according to your report, bliss received just over 10,000 pieces of intelligence between october 201a and june 2016, including anonymous tip—offs in terms of child sexual exploitation. almost half of those against girls and boys under the age of 13. if they don't have the resources to disrupt, as you put it what the paedophiles are doing, what will be the impact? well, we really need to prevent children being sexually abused. of course, one of the most important things to do is to give children information. so schools are very important making sure that children have the information, the knowledge, so that they understand when they are being groomed. they themselves can disrupt the activity and reports it to the police. it's

important that the wider community protects children because the police can't do it alone. this is why these 10,000 pieces of intelligence are important coming from the community. it's important for the police to use what they have at their disposal to disrupt activities by people they suspect trying the groom children to sex abuse them. but the point is, from what you have discovered, any delay in examining the devices, that means that the paedophile is potentially continuing to groom and abuse other children? of course. they'll continue to do it until they're arrested and charged and until they're put on the sex offenders' register where they can be supervised and monitored. so it's critically important that the police get the resources so ensure that they can disrupt the activity of paedophiles who're trying to contact children online as quickly as possible. of course, because there is this kind of forensic evidence

available on the computer, it leads toa high available on the computer, it leads to a high number of prosecutions and convictions, meaning more children are safe. thank you very much. next, he's a self—taught engineer of the online currency bitcoin. amir taaki is a leading developer of the online currency bitcoin. but now he's revealed to the bbc that he has been fighting in syria, and is now under police investigation. so why would a computer hacker go to war? he's been speaking to emma vardy. i went there with the mindset that whatever i need to do, i'm willing but i had to learn how to fight in the war. what training did you have, and how were you armed? i had no training, and i was given a kalashnikov and four magazines, and a grenade. how did you learn to use a gun?

the otherforeigners, when we were on the way, showed me. amir taaki is known for inhabiting the darkest corners of the web. a master of coding and a hacker, he gained fame building software to enable anonymous transactions with bitcoin, potentially untraceable by governments and banks. bitcoin, just like the internet and these other tools, it's one of these equalising technologies that everybody has access to. but now, amir taaki has revealed that in 2015 he travelled to syria and began fighting on the front lines so—called islamic state. what had you told your family about where you were going? i didn't tell them anything, because i didn't want them to stop me, i didn't want them to tell the police. so, why would a computer hacker go to war? the kurdish units amir taaki said he fought with are recognised as the west's most important ally in the deadly ground war against is. but the kurds are also

creating a new type of society. they say their revolutionary ideas are creating communities much freer from state control. and this, amir taaki says, is what inspired him to go. there's this atmosphere in the society of people working for something bigger than themselves. in the wake of is terror, their vision, to live with much less hierarchy than the west. eventually, amir taaki says he left the fighting and went on to develop local projects with the syrian kurds. we will build facilities to process collected waste, to make low—cost, highly efficient fertiliser. like this crowdfunding campaign which he says raised money and then built fertiliser factories to help syrian farmers grow more food. and bitcoin, he says, can help. they're trying to create a people's economy, by the people, for the people. to help establish a decentralised

economy, you need decentralised money. this place is under embargo, so there's no way to move money in and out, so we have to actually create our own bitcoin economy here if we want to establish bitcoin as a currency. but keeping transactions secret has also led to warnings that bitcoin could be used to help money—laundering and organised terrorists. and when amir taaki returned to the uk, he found his activities had raised the suspicions of the authorities, which had a grave effect. they stopped the plane, and they arrested me and investigated me for one year under the terrorism act. they confiscate phones and everything, and they have an investigation against me that's open indefinitely. some might say you've been in a war zone, picked up a gun and fought. isn't it right that the security

services will have to take an interest in someone like you and find out what you're about? sure... sure, but there is a lot of foreigners have gone to join ypg. amir taaki has spent the last 12 months on police bail. you think, because of your skills as a hacker, you think the authorities are taking a greater interest in you? and my politics. in the eyes of the law, have you become involved in fort have you become involved in what could be construed as terrorism? i don't support terrorism or terrorist acts. why did you feel the need to fight? why notjust use your other skills right from the start? i went there with the idea that whatever is needed me, i'm willing to do. you contributed to violence — how do you now feel about that? i'm very proud of having fought against isis. you've been warned you risk breaking counterterror laws. this could have very serious

consequences for your life — why do this? i know that what i do is right. will you go back to syria? you know, if i have to go back, i'll go back. you could work in silicon valley, you could have an amazing career with your skills — why not take that route? we can actually change the future. that's our objective as human beings. but along with amir taaki's vision of a new world, it's also clear his technology may be of use to potential extremists as well as to the communities he is trying to help. and emma vardy, who you saw in that reportjoins me now. how many people go to syria to fight is? it's just really difficult to know because some people are very public about it and others are much more under the radar. amir says he went to fight with the ypg. other people

join other kurdish groups called the peshmerga. the ypg claims hundreds of volu nteers peshmerga. the ypg claims hundreds of volunteers have fought with them, people from all over the world. we know canada, america and even australia. the kurdish group is not banned here, but that's not the case everywhere is it? this is where it gets politically difficult. although the ypg are known to have been successful in towns and villages, they've taken back is—held territory, but the kurds also have a deep—rooted history of conflict with turkey. turkey does consider the ypg a terror organisation, so for people going tojoin this terror organisation, so for people going to join this conflict, it's difficult territory. what do the police say? they say again and again don't go to syria and the met police haveissued don't go to syria and the met police have issued warnings saying, if you play any role, you can expect to be questioned at the very least when you come back. in a statement the police told me those who've committed criminal offences can expect to be prosecuted. however any december six on whether to

prosecution will be taken by the cps ona prosecution will be taken by the cps on a case by case basis —— however any decisions on whether to prosecute. it's difficult for us as journalists to independently verify a story like amir‘s and with him, perhaps the security services aren't sure where to place him. we'll see more cases like this to come. thank you very much. thank you to laura, who has e—mailed about mental health which we have been talking a lot about this morning, because of a campaign led by duke and duchess of cambridge and prince harry. laura says, i was overjoyed to hear your programme this morning. i was a full—time working single mum, earning a 6—figure salary, putting my son through private school and doing bits of charity fundraising through

the marathon and things. basically on the go, always busy and in pretty good physical shape. over a period of around 18 months, i suddenly found myself struggling to make decisions, losing self—confidence and generally thinking i was getting dementia. i was incredibly down and had no—one to speak to. eventually, on the last night of a holiday with my son, i couldn't sleep and i sat bolt upright all night long. when i got back from holiday i went to see my gp. and he simply suggested that my gp. and he simply suggested that my life as it was was not sustainable. i finally felt like my life as it was was not sustainable. ifinally felt like i had permission to take my foot off the pedal. my lifestyle is very different today but i am happy and i get to spend much more time now with my ten—year—old son. my simple mission is to get women talking, and ifi mission is to get women talking, and if i can prevent one woman from going through what i did, all one boss going through what my boss did, i will know i'm doing the right thing. thank you very much for that, laura. next on the programme... for the victims, it's a devastating crime that has led to some people

even taking their own life. yet revenge pornography wasn't made a crime until april 2015. it carries with it a maximum prison term of two years, but today, for the first time, guidelines have been drafted for courts dealing with those convicted of disclosing private sexual images. behaviour designed to cause maximum distress — such as sending images to a victim's family who are very religious, or to their young siblings — will be dealt with in the most serious bracket. but are the sentences tough enough and will the guidelines even make a difference? with us now are dr anne olivarius, a lawyer who represents revenge porn victims and keeley richards—shaw, whose ex became the first person to be convicted of revenge pornography under the new laws. thank you very much for talking to us. thank you very much for talking to us. starting with you, keeley richards—shaw, you and your ex have been separated for some time, and you discovered after sometime

separated, that he had photographs of you naked, how did you discover this? well, i was made aware by his then girlfriend, who message me the pictures that he sent to her and said, you need to know what he's doing, this is it. i saw them and i did not even know that he had got these pictures. and hejust wanted a reaction from the, really, because i was ignoring him, he wanted a reaction. and what did he do with the pictures, he shared them with his then girlfriend and there was one large image and then there was a la ptop one large image and then there was a laptop with about 15 other images on its. how did it make you feel? awful. i was embarrassed, i was degraded, i didn't really know what to do. fair enough, i know some people allow pictures to be taken in relationships, but i would not allow that and i did not even know the pictures had been taken, it was horrendous. it was part of a broader pattern i think of behaviour from

him, where he was trying to get a reaction from you, or control you — what was it in the end that made you wa nt what was it in the end that made you want decide to go to the police? people had been saying for a while, you need to go to the police because there was also stalking offences is there was also stalking offences is there as well. he would turn up at my house, he would follow me to work. these pictures was the final thing. even when i saw them on the screen, i still didn't really know what to do because i did not want to go to the police. and then i spoke to my mum about it, and sushi she said, no, this isn't right. i went to the police not knowing anything about the new law. so i started with stalking and then gradually got onto the photographs and that was when they told me about the new law which had come in. what sentence was he given in the end? he was given a 13 week sentence suspended for 12 months, fined and community service. but also there was stalking offences in that as well. so it was a 13 week

jail sentence suspended for a period of time. in other words, there was no custody. no. he also got a restraining the restraining order, which he broke and it is still to go through court. let me bring in dr anne olivarius. can you tell our audience a little bit about the new guidelines? as i read them, only if the victim is considered vulnerable will there be a prison sentence? of course we don't know how these will be interpreted yet. it is a very weak law, it hasn't been applied with vigour and determination. one feels almost its not taken seriously. from the judicial site, you don't know how they're going to respond until they start to actually

sentence people. but certainly, it doesn't warm our hearts. is it weak because of the way it has been drafted, or is it week because the judges arejust not drafted, or is it week because the judges are just not putting it into practice? the law itself is weak because it focuses on intent. so there are three parts of a law. if a man, because mostly it is a crime against women, 90% of the victims are women, so against women, 90% of the victims are women, so if a against women, 90% of the victims are women, so ifa man against women, 90% of the victims are women, so if a man says, against women, 90% of the victims are women, so ifa man says, i'm just going to have a good time, i'm having a good time with the lads and we're just going to to throw these pictures up, it's fine, it's not against the law. if you say, and then make some money and send these all over the internet, that's not against the law. it's only if you say, i'm intending to hurt her feelings, to degrade and humiliate her, as happened to this good woman here, then that is against the law. so it's a very narrow interpretation of the law. and it's about what he

intended to do, not about her consent. did she consent, was she even aware ? consent. did she consent, was she even aware? so it's not about consent, or distress caused, either. exactly, it is all about him, still. my understanding from the my understanding from can exactly, it is all about him, still. my understanding from can post sexual images online and cause major distress and be spared jail. only if the victim is considered vulnerable will there be a prison sentence. killie, did you consider yourself vulnerable at the time when your ex went to court? at the time, i did, yeah. it got a lot of publicity as well. but whether or not you're vulnerable, people put on a good face sometimes, so no matter how they are shared, or who they are

shared with, i think it should still be the same punishment, because those pictures are still being shared. i didn't know the pictured had even been taken, which makes it even worse, really. it's breaking that trust. but i think they need punishing for sharing pictures with whoever. by that, do you mean a jail sentence for every whoever. by that, do you mean a jail sentence for every revenge pornography perpetrator?” sentence for every revenge pornography perpetrator? i do, yeah. it has ruined people's lives. i had the press on my doorstep, and we we re the press on my doorstep, and we were trying through the campaign to keep the names of victims out of the press. but should i think there needs to be a prison sentence. as a lawyer, dr anne olivarius, what do we need to improve the conviction rate, a redrafting of the law? certainly think you need a civil law, you need to be able to go after damages, money damages, society

understands that. that needs the victim to pay for that, doesn't it? no, because there are law firms like ours, we represent victims all the time. if there were damages at the end which could be collectable, that would make a big difference. the police attitude has to change. we have a very well— known case, where she was filmed being raped after she became paralytic drunk with her ex partner. he filmed her, she didn't know it, he put this up on a website and we went to the met and said, laughing we would like to take this forward under the new law. their response was, no. forward under the new law. their response was, no. and when we queried it, they said, there was a sex toy which he had put into the picture and somehow, that was her fault. the second reason which made us fault. the second reason which made us realise we had no chance to have this reconsidered is that she had shaved her pubic hair, and any girl that did that, clearly had the intention to give pictures and

engage in this behaviour.” intention to give pictures and engage in this behaviour. i cannot believe that, oh, my god. that is how we felt. there are very few prosecutions under the law. people say, not enough police services. fine. have the person, if found guilty, pay a fine, and let that money perhaps even go to pay for the police services to investigate further. there's no reason that the government should have to pay for this. that the system pay for it themselves. thank you very much. killie, thank you very much for coming onto the programme again. next, completely changing the tone, let's talk about this statue of cristiano ronaldo. it has been unveiled on the portuguese island of madeira. when they unveiled it, he was madeira. when they unveiled it, he was putting on a brave face. he did sort of laugh at it. at the moment

where they pulled the vale of the bust, he was smiling and trying to look reasonably pleased to. loads of people on social media, as you can imagine, have been not very come from entry, questioning whether it even resembles him. so, some of you think it looks like geoff boycott. it is not the first time works of art have received attention for the wrong reasons. andy murray, immortalised as a terracotta warrior after winning a tournament in shanghai. that looks like geoff hurst! in fact, shanghai. that looks like geoff hurst! infact, all shanghai. that looks like geoff hurst! in fact, all the statues look like people whose christian name is geoff! and we have got one to recognise the career of newcastle united legend anil shearer. —— alan shearer. after that, alan shearer joked, he liked the almost 9ft tall

statue because it had hair! the owner of fulham, mohamed al fayed, put upa owner of fulham, mohamed al fayed, put up a 7ft tall statue of michael jackson in 2011 which was so embarrassing for fulham fans, it is now in the national football museum. and who could forget the work of an amateur art restorer in a small village in spain. the woman attempted to fix a fresco of the face ofjesus. her work became a nationaljoke, but had the last laugh as the village saw a huge increase in tourism. i need to read this e—mailfrom increase in tourism. i need to read this e—mail from dominic. increase in tourism. i need to read this e—mailfrom dominic. i don't know if i have time it's about mental health. i found know if i have time it's about mental health. ifound my know if i have time it's about mental health. i found my father dead at our home after he committed suicide when i was 16. three years later, shortly after i started university, i broke down. and then i opened the floodgates to my friends and was amazed by their reactions. i

now have an incredible group of people that carry me through my toughest days. my friends from school and others. and most of them are men of we now see talking, sharing and sharing emotion as the bond that strengthens our emotion. thank you very much, dominant. thanks to all of you who have got in touch today. we really appreciate it. today, in the forecast, we're talking about the rain, but we've also got some warm weather, too. this is the radarfrom earlier on, showing where it has been raining. to the east of that, we've got warm aircoming infrom to the east of that, we've got warm air coming in from the south. temperatures in the south—east getting up to 22 degrees, and that

isa getting up to 22 degrees, and that is a conservative figure. even in yorkshire, up to 19. through this evening and overnight, still a bit more rain to come across western areas. the east will stay dry. it's going to be a mild night. this is the kind of weather we actually get injune the kind of weather we actually get in june sometimes. this is bbc news. i'm jane hill live in westminster. the headlines at 11. the government is to set out how it plans to incorporate thousands of pieces of european union law into uk legislation. the great repeal bill will be introduced in the house of commons by brexit secretary david davis in around half an hour's time. this is a big transformation. we shouldn't underestimate that we've got a task to do. it is momentous, but it is not beyond us. european leaders, including the german chancellor angela merkel, are discussing brexit at a meeting in malta. the other stories that are developing this hour...

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