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this is bbc news at lipm. i amjane hill at westminster. this is bbc news. i'mjane hill, live in westminster. the headlines at four. the government outlines plans to move thousands of pieces of european union law onto the uk statute book, as britain prepares to leave the european union. we have been clear that we want a smooth and orderly exit and the great repeal bill isn't central to that approach. it will provide clarity for everybody across the united kingdom on the day we leave the eu. rights and protections deriving from eu law must convert it into domestic law, all rights and protections, no and no sunset clauses. at a meeting of european leaders in malta, angela merkel says post—brexit, the eu has to "put effort into europe" to leave it in a good position forfuture generations. i'm simon mccoy. the other stories that are developing this hour... an inquest hears that
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the westminster attacker khalid masood died from a gunshot wound to the chest. colin gregg, the heir to the greggs bakery chain, is jailed for 13—and—a—half years for indecently assaulting four boys. search teams find the bodies of five people with the wreckage of their helicopter in snowdonia. prince harry and the duke and duchess of cambridge release a series of films to encourage people to talk about mental health. and the sculptor of a bust of real madrid star cristiano ronaldo defends his work, after football fans say it looks nothing like him. i'm outside the houses of parliament in westminster, where the government has been outlining how it plans to transfer thousands of pieces of european union legislation, into british law.
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the great repeal bill will give parliament, or the devolved assemblies, the power to scrap, amend or improve eu laws. the brexit secretary, david davis, told mps it would ensure the uk's "smooth, orderly" exit from the european union. but the plans also involve giving ministers the power to make changes without full parliamentary scrutiny, and that's proving controversial. our first report today is from our political correspondent iain watson. the law that took us into the european union was passed in 1972 and now our eu membership is about to end, not with a bang, but, with a rather complicated process. the government now has 2a months to unravel their relationship that the government now has 2a months to unravel their relationship that has lasted for 44 years. the secretary of state for exiting the european union, secretary david davis. the brexit secretary set out the first steps today, with the promise of a great repeal bill.
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we're being clear we want a smooth and orderly exit and the great repeal bill is integral to that approach. it will provide clarity and certainty for businesses, workers and consumers across the united kingdom on the day we leave the eu. it'll mean that as we exit the eu and seek a new deep and special partnership with the european union, we'll be doing so from a position where we have the same standards and rules. if you were to look at the dictionary definition of repeal, it means to reverse or cancel something, yet the government's great repeal bill actually seeks to keep in place existing eu regulations. so, some say it would be more appropriate to call it a cut and paste bill. but the government argues by keeping the same rules as the eu it'll be easier to negotiate a trade deal and future governments at westminster will be free to change those rules in due course.
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labour was worried the government would try to speed through its repeal bill at the expense of scrutiny and wanted guarantees that existing workers' rights wouldn't be watered down and eu laws become british laws. there have to be clear principles. all rights and protections derived from eu law must be converted into domestic law. all rights and protections — no limitations, no qualifications, and no sunset clauses. the snp wanted more detail about what laws might pass from brussels to edinburgh rather than westminster. and accused the government of a lack of preparation. it strikes me the government has pushed the big red button marked brexit with their fingers crossed and very little idea what comes next. historically, parliament hasn't had to change so many laws in their relatively short time. in a relatively short time. and the process could be painful and longer drawn—out than intended. apart from the repeal bill,
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major policy changes on immigration and, for example, to agriculture and fisheries, will require entirely new legislation. it's a lot to squeeze in within two years, so we asked one of westminster‘s most experienced officials, how long did he think it would take? till everything is absolutely separate and every t crossed and i dotted, it could be years, it could be a decade. but of course, it's going to be front—loaded. a lot of stuff will happen either up an brexit day or reasonably shortly after that. the government has promised us a smooth and orderly brexit the government has promised us a smooth and orderly brexit, but to achieve that it may find it has little time for anything else. theresa may has already spoken to a number of eu leaders following the triggering of article 50. a spokesman for the prime minister said their response had been "warm and constructive". european leaders are meeting in malta to formulate their response, as dan johnson reports. the impact of six pages
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hand—delivered in brussels still rippling across europe. political leaders meeting in malta had absorbed britain's brexit message and were ready to respond. a lot of partners are telling now, we're trying to reduce the damage. but i have to say, this decision will create a lot of damage for both sides. germany's the powerhouse of the european project. angela merkel‘s influence is important. she'd already signalled she didn't support theresa may's ambition to get the divorce and a new relationship sealed within two years. today no direct mention of brexit, instead a defence of europe's refugee policy and calls to work together more closely. in paris, the french president also said the uk's ties with the eu need to be untangled first, then britain can work out a new relationship. there was much sadness in brussels yesterday at britain
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triggering article 50. donald tusk, the council president, has seen some positives, though. paradoxically, there is also something positive in brexit. brexit has made us, the community of 27, more determined and more united than before. i am fully confident of this, especially after the rome declaration, and i can say that we will remain determined and united also in the future. theresa may has reached out through the european press, writing articles denying any rejection of our shared values, giving assurances there was no intention to harm the eu. there are many more disagreements to come down the line, as britain's brexit clock keeps on ticking. we can now speak to the irish ambassador to the uk, daniel mulhall. good afternoon to you. i think you
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are joining good afternoon to you. i think you arejoining me from inside the embassy. we know that theresa may spoke to the taoiseach, one of the leaders that she has spoken to since article 50 has been triggered, are you able to enlighten us as to the tone and the frankness of that conversation? well, we are very happy, obviously, we are very sad that this day has come because it brings to an end a 44 year partnership between ireland and the uk within the european union. we we re uk within the european union. we were glad that yesterday, the prime minister's letter and speech referenced ireland in a very positive way and expressed her determination to ensure that the unique relationship with ireland is preserved into the future, and that there will be nothing to damage the peace process in northern ireland. and that is something which is shared 100% by the irish government. and what more has been said, how much discussion has there been, about the border, which, of course,
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is such a crucial issue in all of this? it is. i mean, we have many issues do with our relationship with the uk. our trade is £1 billion a week, and across the irish sea, very valuable for both economies. we want to protect the peace process and the open border in ireland, and the common travel area and the status of the irish community in britain. the border, of course, is the only land border, of course, is the only land border between the uk and any part of the european union. we have been working with the uk over the last eight monthsmm also with our european partners, to enlighten them about the very special circumstances which apply on the island of ireland. i think there is now a very good understanding around europe that the irish situation is a special one, which needs special attention. and have the noises been receptive, on that issue? i think i am right in saying that you have also been ambassador to berlin, so
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you are very well versed in how all of this will be viewed in some of the most important places in the eu? well, for example, michel barnier, the chief negotiator for the european union in these negotiations, has already said he wa nts to negotiations, has already said he wants to prioritise a number of issues, including the situation in ireland. so at the moment at least there is a very good understanding within europe. our government has been very active in knocking on doors all over europe and trying to draw their attention to the very, very unique circumstances that apply on the island of ireland, the only land border that the uk has with the european union just the fact that we have a peace process that we need to protect, and most europeans are proud of that peace process and they wa nt to proud of that peace process and they want to see it reserved and developed into the future as well. thank you very much indeed for your time. ireland's ambassador to the united kingdom, daniel mulhall. we
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have been talking a lot here in westminster about that big statement at lunchtime by david davis, and the great repeal bill, and everything that follows for the next couple of yea rs, that follows for the next couple of years, perhaps longer. i'm joined now by hilary benn. he is labour's chair of the commons committee. in regard to that debate at lunchtime, david davis stressing that this transition should be smooth and orderly, the day we finally leave the eu — you confident that will be the case? it is an enormous undertaking. we have existing law which is already in our domestic legislation, all coming from directives. and there is a whole load of a related case law and other decisions. the government is basically saying, we will pick up what is basically european law, we will move to cross and put it down into british law. but there will be some necessary changes which have to be made so that it makes sense. if
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the law says, the commission will... you can't have that in british law, it will have to be replaced with the secretary of state... if you have the name of a european agency, you will have to have that responsible t2 and existing british agency, or in some cases you might have to create one. so, the government has defined a means of doing it which is workable. and it talks about to 1000 statutory instruments to make this happen. the issues are, firstly, how do we stop people during the process saying, hang on a minute, i've never liked that regulation, could you just remove it? because there are rights and protections in there. if the principle is going to be that the principle is going to be that the law will be the same the day after we leave as it was the day before, you can't are going to with that. you can discuss it later. and secondly, those important powers, to use secondary legislation, they must only be used for the purpose of the
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minimal changes required to make this possible and not for other things. and the house of commons select committee will want to ensure that that is the case. and presumably you want to make sure that there will be proper scrutiny of everything, as much as it demands. absolutely. and that brings us on demands. absolutely. and that brings us on to the issue which everybody raises, which is the sheer amount of work, the scale of it. is there the room, the time, for this scrutiny? well, time is a really big issue. 0ne well, time is a really big issue. one thing david davis said today was that some of those changes we won't know what we need to do in terms of changes until we know the outcome of the negotiation. that already takes you to october 2018, maybe later trekked. and if you want all of this by the time you leave, which is march 2019, that means that those changes could have to be concertina'd into a very short space of time, or you're going to have to
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accept that some of it will spill over beyond our withdrawal, and then it isa over beyond our withdrawal, and then it is a question of, what are the transitional arrangements which are agreed, if for example there has been an agreement in principle for trade, so we can continue to sell oui’ trade, so we can continue to sell our goods and services to europe, but it has not been completed by the end of march 2019. and then there would need to be a transition to cover it. i do welcome the fact that he also said that thejimmy ladies european tour case law will continue to be taken account of in british courts. why does that matter? for example, the rights of part—timers to be members of pension schemes was a result of european court judgments, really important. and we cannot see those whites disappear. so, saying british courts will continue to take account of that body of case law up until the moment we have left helps to make sure that those things are protected and those whites are preserved, and that is very important to us, as the labour opposition. every member of your party that i have spoken to in the last couple of days has stressed
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workers' rights, in particular, some environmental issues as well, that from your party perspective, you wa nt to from your party perspective, you want to watch out for? they're really important. we have had rights gained echoes of domestic legislation. 0ne gained echoes of domestic legislation. one thing that europe did, going back tojacques legislation. one thing that europe did, going back to jacques delors and his speech in 1988, where he laid out a vision of a social europe, and people swore at that time that you could win rights from europe which mrs thatcher would never have given us in a million yea rs. never have given us in a million years. it is detecting those things which have made our society fairer and better. we have to make sure that we protect those rights. and then the nation can have a debate i hopein then the nation can have a debate i hope in the future about how we can enhance them. —— protecting those things. and that does take us all onto the domestic agenda, day—to—day, as we would see it. realistically, given everything you have just outlined, don't you have concerns that the ordinary running
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of politics that we expect as a country is going to be on the back burner, because inevitably all the attention will be focused on leaving the eu? i think there is no question that the process of brexit is going to emanate a mess to politics, but also time in the house of commons. and therefore that is a problem for the government. it is their problem, as to what they're going to do about other things. there will be other bills will follow the great repeal bill. we have told there will be won on customs, one on immigration and other things. i suspect the government will want to put other bits of domestic legislation in those bills. but the primary process purpose, we are told, will be to change the law where we have to. and we are going to have to agree a new immigration system and decide how we are going to handle immigration from the 27 member states, in a way which makes sure that businesses can still have access to the workers they need, and in which people perceive to be fair. and all of that, in such a short space of time. it has been a
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very long couple of days, thank you very long couple of days, thank you very much indeed. much more debate about all of this, as you will gather, over the course of the day, from westminster. for now, back to simon. 0ur our main headlines... the government has outlined its plans to convert thousands of eu laws into domestic legislation, ending thejurisdiction of the european cost ofjustice. —— the european court ofjustice. a mountain rescue team has found the wreckage of a helicopter which went missing yesterday afternoon en route from luton to dublin. the bodies of five people were also found. in sport, arsene wenger is confident
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alexis sanchez and mesut 0zil want to stay at the club. he says his own future is not sorted completely. judd trump makes his third competitive 147 of his career as he reaches the quarterfinals of the china open in snooker. more sport at half past four. a mountain rescue team has found the wreckage of a helicopter and five bodies. it went missing yesterday afternoon en route from luton to dublin. five people were on board. search teams found the privately owned twin squirrel helicopter in the rhinog mountains. earlier, i spoke to our correspondent danny savage, who is at the scene of the accident, and he described the scene. the headlines on bbc news... if you look at a map and you looked at this huge remote area, it is that mountainous area between trawsfynydd and harlech where the helicopter came down yesterday afternoon. we know that they're eurocopter a555 ecureuil 2 helicopter took off from
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somewhere near luton at about midday yesterday. it was en route to ireland but did not reach its destination. concerns were raised about its not arriving. and then it was found that it had disappeared off the radar screens somewhere over north wales. initially it was feared that it might have ditched into the sea. that it might have ditched into the sea. it was then narrowed down to a search of the land overnight. it has been atrocious weather conditions. up been atrocious weather conditions. up on the mountains, visibility is less than ten metres. despite that, this volunteer mounted rescue team did manage to locate the helicopter this morning, along with five bodies of the people who were on board. the whole area has now been sealed off, with the police blocking the few narrow roads which run up into the mountains here. this is what north wales police have had to say today. you will be aware that north wales police have been leading a land—based search and rescue operation since yesterday evening. there is very difficult and hazardous terrain involved in the
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area of south snowdonia. poor weather has been hampering the search, with some horrendous conditions reducing visibility to less tha n conditions reducing visibility to less than ten metres at times. all of our volunteer mounted rescue teams from snowdonia are involved, along with the raf mountainous kicking and suckling assets where we have been able to deploy them due to the weather. a creche site has been located, along with five people, all of whom are deceased. —— crash site. we are now preserving the scene for investigation. so, the location of the crash is some miles up into the mountains behind us. in the last few minutes, a convoy of raf vehicles has gone through the police blockade here, along the lane, up into the mountains, with raf personnel on board, to take part in this crash
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recovery and investigation phase. the focus will be on what went wrong and why. we probably won't know for some time about that. the police have not identified the five people oi'i have not identified the five people on board, but they do say they have family liaison officers working with the families of those involved at the families of those involved at the moment. an awful day for them and a operation here still in the mountains of north wales to try and establish what happened here. colin gregg, the son of the founder of the greggs bakers chain, has been jailed for 13—and—a—half years for indecently assaulting four boys. 0ur correspondent peter harris is at newcastle crown court. and thejudge had some and the judge had some very strong words? he did. this brings to an end a 20—year process to try to bring colin gregg to process. way back in 1997 he stood trial here in newcastle, accused of abusing a boy. 0n newcastle, accused of abusing a boy. on that occasion he was found not
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guilty. down the years, though, other victims came forward, and it is for those that he has now been convicted and sentenced. this relates to four boys over a period of almost 30 years, nine counts of indecent assault. what do we know of colin gregg? he was a man of wealth, the court heard. way back in the 19605, the court heard. way back in the 1960s, he played a part in setting up 1960s, he played a part in setting up family's greggs chain of bakers. mostly in his life he worked as a teacher and head teacher. but, the court heard, was an aggravating feature. the court said he had used that cloak of respect ability and hidden behind it in order to abuse boys. thejudge said he hidden behind it in order to abuse boys. the judge said he showed hidden behind it in order to abuse boys. thejudge said he showed no remorse, not a pang of conscience, in fact he had shown nothing but co nte m pt in fact he had shown nothing but contempt for these boys, firstly when he abused them, and now in refusing to take responsibility when they made allegations against him. what, then, of the victims? are
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really can't reveal anything about their identities. but their words we re their identities. but their words were read to the judge their identities. but their words were read to thejudge before he sentenced gregg. 0ne were read to thejudge before he sentenced gregg. one of them said, i never want to hear the name colin gregg again. another said that way back as an 11—year—old, he had assumed all of this was his fault because he had had so much aspect the colin gregg. he said, these days he feels sad and but mostly angered that colin gregg refuses to take responsibility to this day and admit the abuse. the judge sentenced colin gregg to 13—and—a—half years. he will serve half of that in jail, which means he will be in his 80s before he is released just when he does come out, he will remain on the sex offenders register for life. an inquest has heard that westminster attacker khalid masood died from a gunshot wound to the chest. coroner fiona wilcox extended her sympathies to masood's family who, she said, are also victims. three people died when masood drove his car into pedestrians before he fatally stabbed
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a policeman at the houses of parliament last week. daniel sandford is at westminster coroners daniel sandford is at westminster coroners court. what else did the court here? simon, this was about a 15 minute hearing with the westminster coroner. she started the process of formally investigating the death of khalid masood, the man believed to be responsible for the westminster attacks last week. detective super and john crossley from the counter—terrorism command investigating the whole incident said that khalid masood, after driving across the bridge and killing two members of the public, eventually three, then attacked a police officer, causing grave wounds and killing the officer. he was then challenged by another police officer and shot. and there was a time of death of 15.35, just under an hour after khalid masood ploughed across
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the bridge and killed the officer. we then heard from the coroner's office manager. he said that the body had been identified through fingerprints and through dna, and the cause of death given at the postmortem examination at st thomas' hospital was a gunshot wound to the chest. that is quite interesting, one gunshot wound to the chest. we can hear three gunshots on the video of the incident itself. so it sounds as if two of those shots may have missed. and then we also heard from the investigator from the ipcc. missed. and then we also heard from the investigatorfrom the ipcc. he said that as always after a member of the public has been shot at by police, they were investigating the actions and the decisions, including the use of lethal force. he said that no individual officer is under investigation for any disciplinary offences, but they are looking to see what lessons can be learned from the entire incident and whether any
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good practice as well from the incident should be shared. at the end of the inquest, the coroner, dr wilcox, said that there would be another preening quest hearing on the 19th of may, and that she wanted to pass her sympathies to the family of khalid masood, saying that they are also victims in this case. new guidelines for the amount of sugar that should be in everyday foods — from breakfast cereals to chocolate bars — have been published by public health england. the aim is to cut the amount of sugar children consume by 20% by the end of the decade. with me isjonathan pauling, from the alexandra rose charity, which helps parents on a low income buy fresh fruit and vegetables. jonathan, i'm assuming you will say this is a step in the right direction? yes. very much so. we welcome this call from public of england today. we all know that we need to do more to improve the nation's diet and reduce sugar, which is one of the key ingredients
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responsible for obesity and diet related ill—health. it is a really important move. there's a huge difference between that and persuading people, children, to go to healthier food like persuading people, children, to go to healthierfood like fruit persuading people, children, to go to healthier food like fruit and vegetables, which is what you want? exactly. it is very good to reduce unhealthy food, but we all know that we need to eat more of the healthiest. mostly, we fail to eat our five—day, but that's particularly of low—income communities, who sophomore from obesity and diet related ill—health. so we feel there is more to be done to incentivise people to eat more healthy food, especially fresh fruit and vegetables, which is what we do through our project. it is every pa re nt‘s through our project. it is every parent's challenge, through our project. it is every pa rent‘s challenge, though, through our project. it is every parent's challenge, though, to try to get children to eat healthily, when you are up against the kind of things we are seeing on the screen? i know, it is a huge challenge for pa rents. i know, it is a huge challenge for parents. children might not like a
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certain food type so if you experiment with fruit and vegetables, and they dislike it or throw it off the plate, then that investment you've made is wasted. so you can install —— understand why pa rents would you can install —— understand why parents would prioritise, if they don't think children will eat it and feel happy. and everybody wants to please their children. everybody does, but of course, food is one of the things in your budget which is relatively flexible? that's right. and so, when you have a crisis in your finances, it's one area where your finances, it's one area where you can flex, so you can buy cheaper food one week to make sure that you can pay the electricity or keep the rent. and that means it's a big challenge forfamilies rent. and that means it's a big challenge for families to prioritise spending on fresh fruit and vegeta bles spending on fresh fruit and vegetables all the time. very quickly, if someone is watching now, and you have to try to effect that change, what fruits would you suggest to ease the transition? well, there is a lot of evidence
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that children who eat a lot of peas, carrots and sweet peppers, because they're carrots and sweet peppers, because they‘ re sweeter carrots and sweet peppers, because they're sweeter than other types of vegetable. so that is a start. but we need to make sure that families are incentivised to purchase fresh fruit and veg and have the financial capability to do so. thank you very much for coming in to talk to us. let's have a look at the weather. southerly winds today have brought some warmth and some rain to many areas. it has been warmer than we have seen for quite some time across the north—east of scotland. the highest temperatures have been towards the south—east of the uk, as far as 22 celsius in gravesend. we could get one or two showers coming into that sunshine towards the end of the day. most of the cloud is gathering around the irish siege of it will be turning wetter in these
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western areas overnight. it could be quite heavy over the hills. it's going to be are really mild night. we've got this rain across western areas. it focuses itself really across northern ireland, north—west england and into scotland. quite a wet day in scotland tomorrow. for the rest of the country, some sunshine. feeling pleasant in the sunshine. feeling pleasant in the sunshine. some showers gathering in the west later on in the day, and that sets us up for the start of the weekend, where we will have some sunshine and showers on saturday. cold night saturday night, fine day with sunshine on sunday. is bbc news. the headlinesjust after half past four. the government has published its plans to convert thousands of eu laws into british law, as the uk leaves the european union. a mountain rescue team has found the bodies of five people in the wreckage of a helicopter in snowdonia. the son of the founder of the greggs bakery chain, colin gregg, has been jailed for 13—and—a—half years, for indecently
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assaulting four boys. an inquest has been told that the westminster attacker, khalid masood, died after being shot in the chest by an armed police officer. time for the sport. it is will perry. fifa has opened proceedings against neil taylor, following the wales defender‘s tackle on the republic of ireland's seamus coleman. tell —— taylor was sent off and received an automatic one match ban but it could be extended to three games. coleman needed surgery ona three games. coleman needed surgery on a broken leg following the incident in that world cup qualifying match in dublin. it is not yet known when he will be back playing. some news just not yet known when he will be back playing. some newsjust in. fifa has announced its proposed slot allocation for the expanded 4018 world cup with europe set to receive the 16 places they wanted, up from 13. there will also be an automatic
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place for 0ceana and a 16 play—off tournament for two more spots. the slots will be submitted to the fifa council for slots will be submitted to the fifa councilfor a decision slots will be submitted to the fifa council for a decision in slots will be submitted to the fifa councilfor a decision in may for a final decision. arsene wenger says his future at arsenal is not com pletely his future at arsenal is not completely sorted, despite saying recently he would inform everyone of his decision very soon. arsenal's recent poorform — where they've lost six of their last nine games — has seen the frenchman come under pressure from some fans to leave, when his contract expires in the summer. at his weekly press conference today though, he wasn't giving anything away. i'm very clear in my mind, but anyway, do i stay two months or two yea rs ? my commitment will be exactly the same. all the time i have spent here does not influence at all my attitude. 0ur reporter david 0rnstein was at that press conference and says wenger didn't look like a man under pressure. he was relaxed. he was the most comfortable
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in a pre—match news conference that i've seen him for quite a while. he looked refreshed after the international break, a bit of colour in his face, plenty of laughs. i think we know the direction in which we could be travelling here. it seems that arsene wenger to stay as arsenal manager and the club wants him to stay. we know that there is a contract offer on the table for him, a two—year deal. that is perhaps why he mentioned two months or two yea rs. another manager facing challenging times, is slaven bilic at west ham. his side have lost their last three premier league games. rafa benitez, claudio ranieri and roberto mancini have all been linked in the media with replacing bilic but he was in defiant mood at his press conference today. my head is clear. and i'm totally motivated and focused, and i'm long enough here to know what to do. over 1.5 years, we have done a good job here, and there is still a job to do. i have my contract, and at the end of the day my contract is not running out. i have another year here,
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which is for a manager, i'm not a player that needs a new contract. manchester city's women take a 1—0 aggregate lead into their champions league quarter final second leg at home to danish side fortuna yerring this evening. it's city's first season in the competition, and they're the only british team remaining. they're hoping to become the first domestic side to reach the last four since since birmingham city ladies three years ago. what we wanted to achieve when we started was to become a really exciting team to watch and a team that definitely the manchester city fans can be proud of, but also that england can be proud of. we are well aware that there is a perception that women's football may not be that good to watch, and we want to challenge that perception and show that we can play with a real high intensity, real quality, and people enjoy coming and watching us. we know that we are beating teams in the champions league and winning
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trophies, that will give us that opportunity. finally, snooker and defending championjudd trump made the third competitive maximum 147 break of his career on his way to the quarterfinals of the china open in beijing. he beat tian pengfae five frames to 3. thank you very much. the duke and duchess of cambridge and prince harry have released a series of films as part of their ‘heads together‘ campaign, designed to encourage people to talk about mental health. the project aims to help end the stigma around mental health. the former england cricket captain andrew flintoff and the rapper professor green are among the celebrities who've been sharing their experiences. i think ithinki i think i was born with anxiety, to be honest. i used to take a little time off school. i was brought up by my grandmother. my mum was the first
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person to lead when i was a year old. and i was 24, and my dad took his own life. it wasn't until years later when i did a documentary for the bbc, and i had a conversation with my now in. it is weird that this happened for the first time on camera “— this happened for the first time on camera —— with my nan. i broke down. i was petrified. i was scared that people would see me at my most honourable and away i don't often see myself, but that conversation changed everything, because from that point everything was out of the open, andi that point everything was out of the open, and i was able to then talk to my friends about it, because my friends had watched the programme. what turned it for you? friends had watched the programme. what turned it for you ?|j friends had watched the programme. what turned it for you? i knew that something was not right for a long time andl something was not right for a long time and i ran away from it. this is not me, this is not happening, and i bumbled on for a little bit, and then started, you know, living differently. i probably started to drink too much, and i tried to escape how i was feeling. and then i did this documentary, like you did. i spoke to ricky hatton about this, and neil lennon, and graeme dott,
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the snooker player. i was listening to them, identifying, thinking i have been to that, and actually, ricky hatton, you've gone through this? you are probably one of the hardest people i know but you can talk about it. then i started thinking if i start talking about this, talking about problems, one, the people who have followed me through my career, they will turn their backs on me because they think lam one their backs on me because they think i am one thing. everyone will think of me differently. did that happen? no! it was the complete opposite. people come up to me and said, wow, and then they tell me about how they feel. then on i have mates, we get ina feel. then on i have mates, we get in a conversation and we have never had that conversation. it becomes more honest, doesn't it? and then sometimes when you have that conversation with someone and you do engage with what you are talking about and you do unload everything, and for me it is never planned, it a lwa ys and for me it is never planned, it always just comes out at a random time, that the feeling of relief afterwards. it does feel like a weight is lifted, doesn't it? yeah.
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but the hardest thing for me in ashley was talking. i am not a big talker. i am from the north of england! i talker. i am from the north of england! lam talker. i am from the north of england! i am from a working—class family, we don't talk about our feelings! yeah, it no different from me, growing up in a council estate in east london, it is just something we didn't speak about. it is just a shame for me that we have taken all these years to be open. itjust comes from being vocal. it is crazy what it opens up. that one time has definitely made me a happier person. i have less towns and more ups with being honest about how i feel. with me is alastair campbell, former labour communications director, who himself has had a well—documented fight against depression. he also features in one of the ten films released by the duke and duchess and prince harry as part of their heads together mental health campaign. in fact, you were interviewed by your partner, fiona millar. how helpful was that for you? making the film was not difficult, because now
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ido film was not difficult, because now i do talk to fiona about it. i think when i first realised i was ill, as fiona explained in the film, it is not an interviewer as much as we are talking about it, but she complained that when i had a breakdown in the 80s, the doctors basically said it was alcohol and juiced, so i stopped drinking. and then i kind of rebuilt myself but the issues kept coming back, depression in particular. and so, fiona thinks for 20 years i basically shut down about it, i did not open up about it at all, i didn't talk to anybody about it. and then the incident that we talk about in the film is where sometime in 2005, 2006, 2007, i can't remember exactly when it was. i was very low and went out for a walk on hamstead heath, and i was desperate, i was absolutely very close to suicidal, andi absolutely very close to suicidal, and i started beating myself up, literally, physically hitting myself
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in the face and the eye, and fiona was like, look, you can't do this on your own, i can't do it, you have got to get proper professional help, andi got to get proper professional help, and i did. at the time, where you angry with yourself, did you regard yourself as being weak or what?|j have never regarded myself as being weak, and actually one of the things that help me recover from the breakdown was almost a pride and the resilience that i was building by doing that. now, i didn't feel weak, i felt desperate. i felt there was absolutely no purpose to being here. i was very depressed. there was a lot going on politically, i think it was tony and gordon were trying to drag me back in, i was trying to stay out. it was just a very bad time in my life. and the depressions, the gaps between the depressions, the gaps between the depressions, what normally happens with me is i will have a period of depression, and then i will come out of it and have a bit of a manic
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period, then i will be stable for a while and then i will have another depression. and the gaps between the depressions were getting narrower and narrower, almost as if they were rolling into one. it is just incredibly frustrating. it felt like i had done the hard yards, stopping drinking, rebuilding myself, doing a good job, just rebuilding the whole thing. and i thought, god, i'm crashing again and it is just a horrible feeling, but i now find, even things like this, talking publicly, campaigning for time to change, making speeches about it the business is to try to get them to be meal more understanding about mental illness. being stuck in the street, it happens all the time to stop i would say today, maybe not at the moment because of brexit — a bad idea —— but all the time people come up idea —— but all the time people come up and say my son has got depression, my mum is bipolar, my dad has schizophrenia, whatever it might be. it isjust so dad has schizophrenia, whatever it might be. it is just so omnipresent, and this is hoping to bring that
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out. i was going to say of all the people i would associate you getting together with to try and tackle this, members of the royalfamily would not be high up on the list. they're not. no, they wouldn't. let's be honest, you have not expressed huge admiration for the institution... that is not entirely true, i wrote a book about winners and the queen has her own chapter about and injuring winner. i remember one of the big rows i had about my mum was when she wanted us all to sit around the telly and watch the queen on christmas day. i thought why would i want to do that? i have always felt i am a republican. but when they first got involved, i wrote a piece for somebody, saying the republican in meetings why are they getting involved? the meetings why are they getting involved ? the mental meetings why are they getting involved? the mental health campaigner thinks it's brilliant, because they do have reached, they do have access, they can bring people together, they can make waves, and this concept they put
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together for these films is brilliant, it really is, because what they are doing is saying, they'll surely can't do policy, they can't pressurise government on money and resources and all that, but what they can do is tap into this thing that basically says if we talk more we will all be better off. and having that conversation. so the films, they are really neat, and if you go to the website, heads together, you can see all ten of them and some of them are really good pieces of film. i think it will have an impact. a lot of people suffering from depression don't talk about it because they are worried about it because they are worried about the effect it will have on their job, about the effect it will have on theirjob, the boston may not understand. you have had some great bosses —— the boss may not understand. i have. tony blair, you open up during a carjourney. he knew about my depression a bit, you knew about my depression a bit, you knew i had had a breakdown, you knew ididn't drink knew i had had a breakdown, you knew i didn't drink and was a reason for that, but when he asked me to work
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for him! that, but when he asked me to work for him i said no, and one of the reasons was i thought i might crack up reasons was i thought i might crack up again. i had already cracked up once, and the pressure was on the a lot more than when i was a journalist, i might go again. he was absolutely insistent, no, i want you to do thisjob, and he came at absolutely insistent, no, i want you to do this job, and he came at the front and talk me into it. then i went into everything that had happened, everything in my past that might have been a problem, that the media would churn up and what have you. so i told him, in detail, about the breakdown, you know, hearing voices, and hearing music, and ripping my clothes off in a police cell and head—butting walls. crazy stuff. i was away with it. he did look a little bit anxious but he said at the end of it, i'm not bothered about that. i said what if iam bothered about that. i said what if i am bothered? bothered about that. i said what if iam bothered? he bothered about that. i said what if i am bothered? he said bothered about that. i said what if iam bothered? he said i'm bothered about that. i said what if i am bothered? he said i'm still not bothered. that was a big signal that he did not define the buy that. the other fantastic employer i had, i know was a friend of yours, and alas no longer with us, richard scott. he
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had been my editor at the mirror. when i had my breakdown i had left the mirror to go to today newspaper. —— richard dunne one. one of the first phone calls i got when i was in hospital was from richard, and he said —— richard stott. he said i told you not to leave. but stay there until you get better, take the money from today for as long as you can take it, i want you fit, 100% back to it, come back here. i thought i was finished. i thought nobody is going to employ me. so that was an amazing act of kindness, but also it was again showing that you don't just but also it was again showing that you don'tjust to but also it was again showing that you don't just to find somebody but also it was again showing that you don'tjust to find somebody by an episode of mental illness. you tackled it more than head—on, look at thejobs tackled it more than head—on, look at the jobs you did, daily journalism, national newspapers, then becoming director of communications for the prime minister. these are tough gigs for anybody. what attracted you to that
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sort of pressure, do you think? well, may be the same thing that made me crack up, maybe it is part of the... you see i don'tjust look at mental illness as being terrible. i feel like a lot of the best work i have done, and i certainly feel when iam coming have done, and i certainly feel when i am coming out of a depression, i a lwa ys i am coming out of a depression, i always feel more creative than other times. i know stephen fry has said if he could press a button and if you press that button he would no longer have bipolar disorder, he says he's not quite sure if he could press it because it is so much a pa rt press it because it is so much a part of who and what he is, and i feel that about my depression. i hate being depressed, i hate it. but i talked about resilience. we can't all be feeling ten out of ten all the time. but do you feel ten out of ten? there are moments when you are happy? most of the time i am fine, but i take medication most of —— everyday, antidepressants for stock
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i had everyday, antidepressants for stock ihada everyday, antidepressants for stock i had a very bad episode a few weeks agojust for a few i had a very bad episode a few weeks ago just for a few days. i haven't had a really, really, really bad one for some time. but yes, some days i feel terrible and some days i feel great, and i mark everyday out of ten, when i wake up, i tell why self, how do i feel, and if it is two out of ten, i will take a different approach today than if it is six or seven or eight. at the end of the day, if i have had an eight out of ten bad day, i know i've got to sleep, and i've got to stay asleep for as long as i can, and i've got to eat well and i've got to exercise and i've got the rest. i have got to try and do all the things that i have worked out can help me get through it. finally, that word stigma, perhaps misunderstanding is a better word, because people who have not suffered it, they have no concept really of what you are going through. do you get cross with people when they don't understand? not relief and stop it depends. i think people who
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use “— stop it depends. i think people who use —— not really. i think sometimes ido, but use —— not really. i think sometimes i do, but what example in the film i have done with fiona, my partner, i say that now, because we talk about it, whenever i feel a depression coming on, the first thing i say to her is i feel a depression coming on, and she always says, what triggered it? and i never know, she a lwa ys triggered it? and i never know, she always asked me that. and part of me get a bit frustrated, but actually i like it in a way because it basically says to me at least she doesn't get depression, because actually i think if she did get depression as an illness, she wouldn't say that, because most people who get depression, they don't have a clue where it comes from at that particular time, why the cloud suddenly descend at that particular point. and i hate it when people, for example, i had a brother who had schizophrenia, and i hate it when people talk about schizophrenia as being jekyll & hyde, split personality, it's not like that. it is an illness where you lose
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association with the real world, it isa association with the real world, it is a different thing, and with what is a different thing, and with what is going on behind you. so things like that, and i hit the way that the media so often associate mental illness and violence, when the mentally ill person is far more likely to be a victim of violence than a perpetrator. so things like that i get angry about. but i think it is good that people don't understand it, in a way, because it means they don't have it. you and i then have cancer but we can empathise with people who have cancer, so thing we can empathise with people who have conditions that we don't know about. but it is important, this whole thing about talking about it gives people a sense of it. i wrote a novel about mental illness and charlie faulkner, then the lord chancellor, one of the greatest things anyone has ever said to become his head i have never had depression in my life and i really feel i understand it now having read your book. that is good. i don't will it up on my worst enemy. your book. that is good. i don't will it up on my worst enemym your book. that is good. i don't will it up on my worst enemy. it is very good for you to come and talk about it here. mice to see you,
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alastair campbell. in a moment we will have a look at how the financial moments have closed the day, because the headlines. just after ten to five. the government outlines its plans to convert thousands of you're laws in the domestic legislation, ending the jurisdiction of the european court of justice. at jurisdiction of the european court ofjustice. at a meeting of conservative european leaders in moffat, angela merkel says the eu must guarantee prosperity and security for its citizens, or risk driving people away. search teams find the bodies of five people, along with the wreckage of their helicopter in snowdonia. let's have a look at how the market in europe have ended the trading session. european financial markets fairly sluggish in morning trade but moved higher in the afternoon. meanwhile, in the us, the dow jones opened with little changed, even after there was new information on the us economy growing better than initially thought. the economy grew 2.1% in the last few months of 2016, up from an earlier estimate of 1.9%.
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the upward revision was partly due to stronger consumer spending. the ftse in the red at the moment — but analysts have been pretty optimistic about the london market following the trigger of article 50. some even predicting the ftse to hit highs of 8,000 by next year. analysts are not bearish on this leg of brexit yet, with some stockbrokers seeing the ftse 100 rallying to 8,000 by the middle of next year. lloyds of london and brussels, the world's biggest insurance market, has confirmed it is moving some of its business to the continent. it has said without the move brexit could have had a considerable impact on its continental business, which generates £2.9 billion a year, 11% of its overall business. it has been a good day for sterling, it rose
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against the euro after some data on german inflation fell below expectations. the pound shook off fears over the beginning of brexit negotiations, with sterling traders failing to show any large signs of panic. at the same time, french elections are drawing closer, with investors keeping a close eye on the popularity of anti—brussels candidate, marine le pen. let's get detailed analysis of all of this with nandini ramakrishnan, morgan asset management. let's get detailed analysis of all of this with nandini ramakrishnan, let's start off with let's global market strategist atj. p. morgan asset management. reaction. the muted reaction tells us reaction. the muted reaction tells us two things, firstly that we knew article 50 was going to be invoked from theresa may's messaging and the general sense and plan from the uk government, and secondly, the more important and longer term message for market and investors is just because article 50 has been invoked, doesn't mean we know the answers to what brexit actually means for the uk and eu and trade relations going
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forward so it is a bit of a wait and see mood in terms of market yesterday and we expect the rest of this week. reaction to that trigger lead to a couple of announcements, one of them being lloyd's of london saying they will relocate the european headquarters to brussels. what does that mean for insurance in the uk, and also, in terms of other announcers, is this the first —— the first of many to come? let's take a step back and see what insurance means the uk. it is about 20% of the uk's financial services industry, so very important to consider in terms of what the trends might affect insurance was not the fact that we have one of the big names in the uk deciding to think about having a larger presence on the continent does indicate that companies are taking steps to diversify a little bit, be active and think about the negotiations going forward. butjust as markets, you have corporate policies waiting and seeing what kinds of businesses will be allowed
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to continue in the uk, versus eu, for any industry, whether it is insurance or the broader financial services. i think it is fair to say that the pound was fairly volatile yesterday, down, then up, then down again and finished fairly flat. do you think that will dictate how industries deal with the uk economy within the next few years? as we watch the ftse100 and the ftse 250, the ftse100 is much more multilateral, its sources 70% of its revenue from outside the uk. a low pound or at least a pound against the dollar where it is right now, around 1.20 1.25, helps these companies on the ftse100 which is why some analysts do expect the stocks in the uk to do well in the next 24 months. energy, tobacco, mining that source a lot of their reve nu es mining that source a lot of their revenues from abroad could tend to do well in the course of the next few quarters. we will have to leave it there, thank you to joining us.
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let's have a look at markets before we go. we don't have the markets board today, that is the royal family act like laughter global stock markets steadied today as investors stayed cautious due to lingering uncertainty over president donald trump's policy agenda and the outlook for britain's brexit negotiations with the european union. that is it from me. i will be not backin that is it from me. i will be not back in an hour's time. we will put different photographs up every day, a little test for you. let's catch up with the weather. another photograph for you, this one taken by a weather watching the south—east of england, kew gardens, a lovely blue sky. lots of colour around here. it has been 22 degrees in the south—east of england. an early taste of summer perhaps. further north though, not blue skies everywhere, we have had this area of rain, most of it through the irish say but it has been affecting the north—west of england for a good
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pa rt north—west of england for a good part of the day. this was lancashire earlier on where we have had thicker cloud. we may get one or two showers breaking out. most of the wet weather is further west. much wetter night than it has been during the day across scotland but a really mild night, 11 or 12 degrees or so. pretty cloudy start for most of us. we may see some brightness and a little sunshine across eastern part of england, if you carry bursts of rain to push their way eastwards across southern england but that won't come to much. it will be very hit and miss. the wetter weather is moving away from wales. a wet start for northern ireland is, still some rain in the far north of england. it will be quite a wet day across scotla nd will be quite a wet day across scotland for stop this area of rain clears away from northern ireland, wales and north—west england but it
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will still be railing all afternoon —— raining. across scotland. we get a bit more sunshine. some slightly fresher air, so tampa just not as high as today but 1570 degrees, still pretty nice. some showers in the west later on. that sets us up for the weekend in actual fact, april showers for the first day of the new month on saturday. it will be cold overnight as sky is clear and afine be cold overnight as sky is clear and a fine day overnight, on sunday, the better of the two. quite a few showers developing elsewhere, especially in the afternoon, they could be heavy, slow moving, maybe some hail and thunder. temperature is as today. those showers will get washed away during the course of the evening, and clear skies overnight. this ridge of high pressure moving into the second half of the weekend, keeping the weather front at bay for stop a fine dry day. some sunshine around especially after that chilly start. a bit still decent temperatures, 13 or 14
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typically, maybe as high as 17 celsius. today at five: the ambitious plans to transfer decades of european legislation into british law. a day after the formal brexit process got under way, ministers unveil a repeal bill to get a mass of eu law onto the british statute book within two years. we've been clear that we want a smooth and orderly exit, and the great repeal bill is integral to that approach. it will provide clarity and certainly for businesses, workers and consumers across the united kingdom on the day that we leave the eu. but eu leaders, including angela merkel, are warning that the terms of brexit need to be settled first before a new trade deal can be discussed. we'll be looking at the scale of the legislative challenge ahead at westminster and we'll be looking at the latest signals from eu leaders about the talks to come. the other main stories on bbc news at five:
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