hello. this is breakfast, with charlie stayt and sally nugent. the united states warns it could take further action against syria. us officials say they will also impose additional sanctions as a war of words with russia intensifies. good morning. it's saturday the 8th of april. also ahead: police in sweden say a man they arrested after yesterday's lorry attack in stockholm is suspected of terrorism. more disruption as rail workers plan another strike. there's a warning that the grand national could be hit. despite that industrial action they're expecting another bumper crowd at aintree, and a0 years on from red rum, definitely red, is among the favourites with the punters at aintree. the scent of old books, just one of the smells in danger of disappearing. we'll meet the experts hoping to bottle and preserve them. and the weather. good morning. this

weekend looks likely to bring the highest temperatures of the year so far. plenty of warmth, plenty of sunshine. things change a little bit tomorrow across northern ireland and scotland. and i will have all the details you in about 15 minutes. ben, thank you. good morning. it's saturday the 8th of april. also ahead: the united states says it's prepared to launch more military action against syria over it's use of chemical weapons. it follows a missile strike on an airbase where the syrian government is said to have launched a deadly gas attack last week. the us says its also preparing new economic sanctions against the country. here's our washington correspondent, david willis. this was america's first direct involvement in the syrian crisis, its cruise missile attack a contradiction of the trump doctrine of avoiding conflicts in faraway lands and putting america first. and as syria's army chief inspected the impact of the attack

on the air base from which us officials insist tuesday's chemical weapons attack was launched, the trump administration insisted it was a one—off and not the opening of a new front in the war against bashar al—assad. yet although the syrians‘ strategy in syria remains focused on beating islamic state, there is no doubt it has hired and its stance on bashar al—assad considerably in the last few days. the united states took a very measured step last night. we are prepared to do more, but we hope that will not be necessary. all this has put donald trump on a collision course with his opposite number in the kremlin, vladimir putin. russia is syria's chief benefactor, and following friday's missile strike, the russians have suspended military co—ordination in the skies over syria. meanwhile, the pentagon is looking

into suggestions that russia may have been complicit in the chemical weapons attack, possibly by seeking to cover up evidence, something which could harden the battlelines over one of the world's most intractable complex. david willis, bbc news, washington. swedish police say the man they're questioning about yesterday's lorry attack in stockholm has been arrested on suspicion of terrorism. swedish media are also reporting the arrest of a second man. four people died and 15 were injured when the vehicle ploughed into a department store. our correspondent, danjohnson, has this report. our correspondent, maddy savage, is in stockholm for us now. maddy, do we have any more on these arrests? bring us up—to—date about what you know. this is the department store behind me the lorry hit. security is still very tight. what we are hearing is that police have confirmed one man has been arrested for terror crimes by murder. they have not given any more information

about his identity but it is being widely reported he is a 39—year—old family man, a father, and he is understood to have sympathy with the group known as islamic state. police earlier released a rather grainy photo of somebody they were searching for. a man with stubble on his face with a goodie and a light jacket. they say the man they are holding there is a likeness. —— hoodie. they are not saying it is the seaman. a second suspect has been arrested in another suburb north—west of stockholm. very little information emerging about him so far. although some reports are suggesting there are links to clean the two suspects. in the meantime, a couple of other details are emerging. six of the 15 people injured are understood to have been released from hospital. security remains intense with extra resources

sent to the police near the borders overnight tonight. thank you very much. president trump has said he believes "tremendous progress" has been made during meetings in florida with the chinese leader, xijinping. they've agreed a ioo—day plan for talks designed to reduce the us trade deficit with china. they also talked about north korea's nuclear weapons programme. a strike by rail workers at the rmt union is set to disrupt services to the grand national today. members will walk out at three companies, southern, northern, and merseyrail in a dispute over proposed changes to the role of the on—board train guard. here's our transport correspondent, richard westcott. if you're off to the races at aintree today, expect problems if you're going by trains. workers on both merseyrail and northern are on strike. in an attempt to minimise problems, merseyrail is prioritising services to and from the course, but it's at the expense of its other routes.

the last line goes at 630 in the evening, causing some to lose out on the biggest race of the day at 515. both companies anticipate widespread disruption on all services. there will be cancelled trains and replacement buses. the other company involved in the strike, southern, says it will have a near normal service, butjust a driver on board. this dispute began in southern a year ago and spread to the north of london in recent weeks. it is over the role of the guard on trains. talks to resolve the issue keep breaking down. richard westcott, bbc news. despite that rail strike around 70,000 people are expected at aintree today. this year marks a0 years since the legendary red rum completed his unmatched treble of grand national wins as andy swiss reports. it remains one of sport's ultimate challenges. this year marks a string of anniversaries at aintree.

50 years since an outsider rocked the most unlikely of wins. tremendous! you have never seen anything like it at liverpool! a0 years since red rum got to a third victory. while the challenge of the national is like nothing else, these huge fences make it one of the most unpredictable events in sport. and as history has proved, anything can happen. so, who will 2017 belong to? many feel it is this horse, definitely red, trained in yorkshire, aiming for glory. the pressure is always there. no, it's great. we are the favourite. we just want to get in there and run the race itself. yesterday was ladies‘ day at aintree, the traditional festival of finery.

could today's race belong to a female jockey? katie walsh wants to be the first to win. just 48 hours after she was nearly ruled out after a fall. it was reported that she broke her arm. it was only bruised. she will be in pain, but it will take more than that to stop her riding in the world's greatest horse race. yesterday's race over the national fences produced an untypical winner. 0utsider ultra gold and the 18—year—old jockey, harry. there is no guarantee today. andy swiss, bbc news, aintree. another dose of sunshine, apparently, for the grand national. what would you do if a friend had to drop out of planned holiday at the last minute? one group set out to find someone with the same name to join their trip to majorca.

the ten friends from bristol tracked down a replacementjoe mcgrath on facebook and found a willing companion in stockport. what could have been a bit awkward turned out to be a great trip, according to the group's new friend. i had my friends knowing where i was. i had my tracker on my phone, you know, in case anything happened. so, i was all prepared for everything to go wrong. but it didn't. and i am very glad it didn't. that is a success story. weather soon. it's becoming an all—too—familiar story, a vehicle driven deliberately, into a crowd of people on a european city street. yesterday, we learned of the latest in this string of vehicle related attacks, this time in sweden's capital of stockholm. it was the fourth such attack in less than a year. injuly last year, a man drove a lorry through a crowd

gathered to watch the bastille day fireworks in nice. more than 80 people were killed. just before christmas a lorry ploughed through the crowded market in berlin, killing 12. so—called islamic state claimed responsibility for the attack. just last month four people died when a car mounted the pavement on london's westminster bridge at high speed. the attacker then entered the houses of parliament on foot and fatally stabbed a police officer. and finally as we've been hearing, at least four people died when a lorry smashed into a department store on one of stockholm's busiest shopping streets yesterday. security expert, will geddes, joins us now from our london newsroom. we are seeing, as we have been explaining, more and more of these attacks. what do we know about what happened in sweden yesterday?- attacks. what do we know about what happened in sweden yesterday? at the moment all we have is the fact the vehicle was hijacked from the actual genuine driverfrom a beer company,

delivering, obviously, its product into town. it was then driven into queen street, the equivalent of regent street, one of the biggest shopping areas. there would have been many tourists and just people shopping during the day. then the vehicle was obviously driven into a major store. in terms of this threat, this seems to be the current methodology that seems to be employed by those sympathetic to islamic state. it has not been confirmed by the authorities as of yet, but they do have an expected national in custody right now he is being processed through what they term as "the highest levels of potential terrorism." term as "the highest levels of potential terrorism. " what can security services do to try and prevent attacks like this? we saw, didn't we, the situation on westminster bridge, one of the areas in london that is very, very difficult to protect. again,

stockholm yesterday, an area that is ha rd to protect. stockholm yesterday, an area that is hard to protect. is it because they are not expecting an attack like this and are not prepared for it? are not expecting an attack like this and are not prepared for mm isa this and are not prepared for mm is a difficult question. 0ne this and are not prepared for mm is a difficult question. one does not want to overreact. however, in relative terms, as horrific as these attacks have been, there is probably attacks have been, there is probably a greater likelihood of people being potentially injured by absentmindedly crossing the road and just been hit by a vehicle. however, i think there are some traffic issues people need to consider. not only as a general safety issue, but to look at this issue of terrorism and how it is being handled. maybe look at new traffic calming measures in place in securing pedestrian areas. not like in major cities and major key buildings across cities after the 9/1! major key buildings across cities after the 9/11 attacks. new york

being a good case in point. a lot of concrete placed around times square to protect against this kind of attack. it seems that the vehicle is the new weapon of choice. is this, you know, a plant strategy, or is this a case of copycat attacks? -- planned. copycat attacks we have seen planned. copycat attacks we have seen jihadist materials on line do on line to supervisors to promote and advertise various different ways their sympathisers can carry out these attacks. and one of these has been to take the vehicle and obviously plough it into the general public. however, the effect of this of this attack has been proven. it has been seen in nice and germany, to london, now to stockholm. it is very easy to carry out these attacks. however, authorities will be focusing on social media, looking, again, as they do, at potential suspects. security in

stockholm right now, they have said that this man they have apprehended does have a history of islamic state posting on line. thank you very much. a security expert from our london studio. the main stories this morning. the united states has warned that it could take further military action against the syrian government over its use of chemical weapons. benjames ben james is our correspondent benjames is our correspondent in beirut. we will speak to him. that launch of those missile attacks, a statement of intent by donald trump. what might happen next and what if anything has changed in the wider scenario of the middle east? what is being reported by the syrian observatory for human rights, the monitoring grid, what is happening with the opposition. those cruise

missiles yesterday morning. that city that has changed and between the syrian government. planes still taking off from now, it seems, according to that report. it shows potentially the air base wasn't taken potentially the air base wasn't ta ken out of potentially the air base wasn't taken out of commission would it was, the syrian military have managed to get it back up and running. we saw some footage shot by russian state tv. journalists on the ground, in that airbase. we saw some of the hangars were damaged. nine planes had been destroyed. there we re planes had been destroyed. there were shut to —— there was a shrapnel on the runway. not complete destruction of the runway. we will keep an eye on whether that air base is still operating and what the dynamics have changed too? then

james from beirut. much more that story coming up. let us go to ben with the weekend weather. thank you very much indeed. how is this for a sunrise? beautiful scenes this morning across many parts of the country. this picture from one of our weather watchers, in sx. this sets us up a beautiful weekend many. strong sunshine, high uv levels. the sunshine, it will feel very warm. these weather fronts will not trouble us today. they will push into scotland and northern ireland. the further south you are, the more of this you are going to feel. it's a bit ofa of this you are going to feel. it's a bit of a chilly start this morning. it is a little bit foggy to

parts of sx down to kent. 12 mist patches. the most of us, it is going to turn for scotland, temperatures up to turn for scotland, temperatures up to 18 degrees. highs of 21 or 22 degrees. the cooler close to the coasts. as we go through the afternoon. the weather is in fine shape. race—goers will enjoy the sunshine. temperatures close to 20 degrees. overnight, a bit chilly. one to fog patches forming. one or two degrees in the countryside.

tomorrow, a similar day to england and wales. this weather front is going to spoil the party. filling cooler here. further east, temperatures and sunshine up to 2a, maybe 25 degrees. how is that for early april? it is warm. 50 years ago, the beatles released sergeant pepper's lonely hearts club band, and all this week we've been looking at some of the album's themes. breakfast‘s jayne mccubbin has been to meet the class of ‘67, who still believe they were lucky to get by with a little help from theirfriends. let's go back to 1967. what would you think if i sang out of tune?

ringo was on vocals here. gordon, jim, ray, billand billy were huge beatles fans back in liverpool. how many times did you see them? possibly 75, 100 over the years. it was great times. yourcabin card. happy days. and around this table, they believe they were better days. it was a small world, then. we had a small group of people who grew up at the same time and had the same experiences. shared experiences. whether it was bands or music or what, they were not any outside pressures to do other things in those days. life, they reckon, was simpler when the world was smaller, less complicated, more real. that is the problem nowadays. communication is so easy. we had a can with a piece of string.

nowadays, people have 8000 friends on facebook. how can you have 8000 friends? you are not buying it. i am not at all. the friendships that we have, we are very lucky to still have them. i don't think it will be like this. it's all going to be so computerised. if you can count your true friends are more than one hand, you are kidding yourself. simple as that. so friendships 50 years in the making. are modern friendships really less meaningful? how many friends do you reckon you guys have? facebook friends. between us. thousands. people always tend to think that everything was better when they were young and that includes friendship. meaningfulfriends?

if we are thinking about instagram followers, probably 800. in fact, we are not the first generation to think this. earlier in the 20th century when the telephone was invented, everybody said it would be the end of the art of friendship. there were articles in newspapers and magazines. "true friendship is dead." "it's all doomed." everybody wants to pick up this newfangled telephone and they will not bother to meet up with their friends or go out and do things in the real world, just be stuck on the telephone. that is the end of friendship. how wrong they were. so even for these three, it's not the 8000 followers that count. real friends? if i needed someone straightaway to be there, these two. maybe you guys were wrong about this. we probably were. friendship never really changes. not true friendship. nice picture. making you feel happy

ona nice picture. making you feel happy on a saturday morning. we're being joined all morning by young people who have done some extraordinary work in their communities. in a moment we'll hear from abbey, who works tirelessly to support children in care, following her own experiences. first, let's take a look at her story. please may i have to cups? have you signed in? i have been doing this forfour signed in? i have been doing this for four years signed in? i have been doing this forfour years in the signed in? i have been doing this for four years in the first few yea rs was a for four years in the first few years was a major struggle emotionally because i had so many different people and so many things going on in my life and i knew what i wanted, what i wanted to say, i had my own opinion. but i was never really given that chance. i was

dismissed. when i found the courage to speak up, ijust thought, that's it. i now know that i can say this so i'm going to give other children the opportunity. before i came into care, ididn't the opportunity. before i came into care, i didn't really have a childhood. care changed my life. be signed in yet? i don't think i will ever stop doing what i'm doing, never stop certainly, i'm going to ta ke never stop certainly, i'm going to take it further and make sure that every child in care as a voice. every child is loving being in care. good morning, abbey. welcome. your 15 years old? yes. the work you do. was that in a youth centre? in the centres, what i usually do is i am a

mental for the young ones. i get them together as a group or separately for little chats and we talk about how they feel about their independent visitor which is somebody who meets with them on a monthly basis. they take them out. it'sjust really monthly basis. they take them out. it's just really shaking the monthly basis. they take them out. it'sjust really shaking the child away from that sense of being in ca re away from that sense of being in care and different things going on. i will talk to them about suggestions. a few of them have made suggestions. a few of them have made suggestions about doing more breaking and more sport. i will do some sports activities. doing short little -- some sports activities. doing short little — — short some sports activities. doing short little —— short little circuits. the new move in different groups. we did baking where we've brought some buns in. everybody made a bun. in different months, you have different things. mother's day in march. ten things. mother's day in march. ten things i like about my mum. this

month, we will have one next week with an easter egg hunt. it sounds like you have endless ideas. i imagine it's because you were in the same position as these children not that long ago. it is only four years ago that i came into care. when i first came in, there was nothing to me. there was no help. there was no sort of support network around me. it's only been over the last year when i came in with my new carer that she sort of helped me find my voice and gave me the courage and confidence to speak out. that is when i became of voice the younger children. lots of respect for you. it isa children. lots of respect for you. it is a big deal to go from the person trying to deal with something yourself to be the one who can help, andi

yourself to be the one who can help, and i love the way you say it you helped some of the younger ones. you are only 15. can you tell that it's easier to hear things from you? they listen more from you because you are closer to their experience? as opposed to an adult. sue, who works there, she said why don't i do it? i said maybe it's easier to connect with someone your own age. i find it easier to talk to kids. for a younger one to talk to someone in the same situation, you can empathise. i think it'sjust easier. what are the challenges that you have. it is life changing. like you, it's their lives turning upside down. some of the challenges for the kids, the stable sort of home. people having consistency. i have had so many different social workers and i've moved placement alongside my brother. it has been difficult.

you have no consistency. for kids to have that one person such as yourself, it'sjust easier have that one person such as yourself, it's just easier and have that one person such as yourself, it'sjust easier and it takes a load of stress off the shoulders. you are putting so much energy into other people. how are things for you at the moment? things are really good to me. i take part ina drama are really good to me. i take part in a drama club every week. i have friends in there. they are amazing. ido friends in there. they are amazing. i do things with my carer. we go shopping. we just go to the cinema together. for me, it is easy to fit in my personal life. i would never change doing what i do. i enjoy doing it. i'm so glad you came in. congratulations. you can watch the rotary young citizen awards on the bbc news channel from half past ten this morning. coming up in the next half hour. the smell of old books, 17th century potpourri and vinyl

from a music critic's collection. we'll take a whiff at the smells scientists want to record before they disappear. stay with us. we'll have a summary of the news injust a moment. hello. this is breakfast with charlie stayt and sally nugent. coming up before 8am, ben will have the weather for you. but first, a summary of this morning's main news. the united states says it's prepared to launch more military action against syria over its use of chemical weapons. it follows a missile strike on an airbase where the syrian government is said to have launched a deadly gas attack last week. the us says it is also preparing new economic sanctions against the country. swedish police say a man they're questioning about yesterday's lorry attack in stockholm has been arrested on suspicion of terrorism. swedish media are also reporting the arrest of a second man. four people died and 15 were injured when the vehicle ploughed into a group of pedestrians, and then a department store. president trump has said he believes "tremendous progress" has been made during meetings in florida with the chinese leader, xijinping.

they've agreed a 100—day plan for talks designed to reduce the us trade deficit with china. they also talked about north korea's nuclear weapons programme. a strike by rail workers at the rmt union is set to disrupt services to the grand national today, as members at three companies walk out in a dispute over staffing. members at southern, northern and merseyrail will strike in an ongoing dispute around the role of conductors. merseyrail said industrial action on the final day of aintree would damage liverpool's reputation, but the rmt said it would explain its reasons to race—goers. and mike's had a bit of a race of

his own. if you switched the camera around there would have been a horse in yourshape around there would have been a horse in your shape running around. you made it anyway. i was getting ready for the grand national. it is fascinating to see the size of the fences and that dip and the water. you got a guided tour. yes and it is a long way. two miles. a long way. it was amazing, though. iconic. so many horses of history have gone there. but, first, we will talk about the golf. augusta was gusty. the champion has said it was too

much and is coming home. the defending champion, danny willett, will not be involved in the final weekend of the masters, after he missed the cut. willett dropped four shots, on the first hole and was one of several, who struggled in their second round. but there is still some british interest, among those chasing the leaders. patrick gearey reports. there is no sporting stage quite like augusta, a mixture of beauty and cruelty, where nothing is guaranteed. ask lee westwood, whose opening—day charge wandered of course. even those at the top of the leaderboard could be lured offshore. in went rickie fowler's ball, and with it a shot. he retrieved it on the next hole. resilience is key, not something you can always say about sergio garcia. a talent, but never a major winner. now with a share in the lead, is he getting closer? experience matters. this player has plenty of that, as he won in 1992. he knows how to stay out of trouble. that was the goal of many. justin rose went neither forward or back. but he stayed in touch to be as did rory mcilroy. he knows the wind is due to drop and played will get easier.

a perfect setting for the masters. patrick geary, bbc news. i enjoy when the courses play tough and the masters is difficult, because it means the high—quality shots will be rewarded and you have to hit the ball the right way. usually if i am in good form, i can do that. former england rugby star brian moore is recovering in intensive care at st georges hospital in london after suffering a heart attack. the 55—year—old has been on twitter thanking the health professionals who saved his life. brendan rodgers described celtic as the "greatest club in the world"

after signing a new four year contract with the scottish champions. the announcement comes just days after rodgers led celtic to their sixth consecutive league title, and they remain on course for the domestic treble. rodgers' new deal runs untiljune 2021. striker, harry kane, could start for spurs when they take on watford in the lunchtime premier league kick—off. kane, who's already scored 19 goals for spurs this season, has missed the last three matches with an ankle injury. we will see tomorrow if he starts the game or if he will be on the bench. but he knows he is ready and he feels good, and has a full recovery, that is good news for him and us. he is a good playerfor us and he will be available to help the team. that is fantastic. third—placed liverpool are at stoke this afternoon, with manchester city hosting hull. at the other end of the table west ham, will hope to halt

their slide when they take on third from bottom swansea. leaders chelsea are at bournemouth in the tea—time kick—off. brighton have returned to the top of the championship, with a 2—1win at queen's park rangers. glenn murray put them ahead after the break, and sebastien pocognoli's, inch perfect free kick made it 2—0. matt smith pulled one back for qpr, but it wasn't enough. brighton are two points clear of newcastle, but have played a game more. it is no wonder he is so delighted. england's women were held to a 1—1 draw by italy, at port vale, in their first match since mark sampson, named his squad for euro 2017. after a goalless first half, which the lionesses dominated, strikerjodie taylor gave england a deserved lead. however, it wasn't to be enough, as italy equalised to share the spoils. great britain face an uphill struggle to stay in the davis cup. without world number one andy murray, they trail france 2—0 after a disappointing first day of their quarter—final in roan. kyle edmund lost in straight sets to lucas pwee. dan evans then followed suit, beaten three sets to love byjeremy

chardie. ifjamie murray and dominic inglot lose their doubles rubber to nicolas mahut and julien benneteau today, the tie will be over. yeah, a lot of times it is guys thrown together to play. a bunch of tournaments over a long period of time. he has been number one the last six or seven months, perhaps. he's been playing well, the final of wimbledon last year. so it is going to be a really tough match. so, back to the grand national, and a red horse will definitely be one of the favourites. definitely red and vieux lion rouge lead the betting, a0 years

after another red horse, red rum, won the race for a record third time, to secure the future of aintree, and the reputation of this famous race around the world. stuart pollitt explains why red rum was an unlikely hero. he is thundering down! you have never seen anything like it before! the greatest movie never made. the horse with a bad leg trained by a taxi driver on a beach, an unlikely hero. but by 1977, red rum had already won the national twice and runner—up on two occasions. yet this was what sealed his place in history. riding red rum that

day was tommy stack. you need to come to tipperary to find where his family trains horses. it was a long time ago. a0 yea rs. it feels like yesterday looking back at it. tommy rode red rum more than a0 times, but this was his first naitonal win onboard. you could hear the crowd, it felt unreal. he is as popular in ireland as liverpool. this is the thomas town village pub. people come in and ask if they can take a picture. chinese, japanese, anyone! americans! he is famous worldwide. in racing generally, he is the one horse that everyone can remember.

we could not believe what had happened. we dreamt it, and we were just amazed that the horse came home fit and well. michael burns returns where he was that they. they own the horse the family knew as red. my grandfather was 89 years of age then. the only time i ever saw him move, i sat with him, he got up and raised his arms. i could not believe the crowd. you would think he was a saint. there will never be a horse like him again. i will tell you how red rum got his

name at half past nine. it is not what people think. and it is not to do with the drink either. the scent of old books and the cologne that lingers on the gloves worn by the duke of dorset, just two of the smells scientists are bottling to try and preserve them. they want to capture the aromas for their historic value so that they can be recreated after they disappear. joining us in the studio now are matija strlic and cecilia bembibre from university college london, who are working on the project. a very good morning to you both. good morning. you are both involved in the research going on. we know that smells can emotionally take you back to a time and place. what are you looking at specifically?‘ back to a time and place. what are you looking at specifically? a good question. we started this research about ten years ago looking at the smell of old books. it came through with and experience i had with paper

conservers. they could tell what kind of paper it was by the smell of it. i thought to myself, gosh, we could develop an instrument that could develop an instrument that could do that more accurately. so we did a lot of research looking into the smells of different types of paperso the smells of different types of paper so that we could tell pretty well what the paper is made of and how quickly it agreed, only by its smell. but then we know that smell is much more thanjust smell. but then we know that smell is much more than just the chemicals omitted by the books. there is also the element of the experience, which is when we started collaborating. one of the problems is that these smells could disappear. yeah, that is one of the interesting sides of our research, we have the opportunity to identify smells that my current culture values and are important to us as a society, because they tell us stories of who

we are and they have historical value. and through science we can analyse them and document them and hopefully preserve them for the future. do these smells dissipate? you find a book and you open it up. people have done that. there is a smell. but after you open it up, the smell. but after you open it up, the smell goes. does disappear as you open the book? it does, yes. the thing is however that the smell is the consequence of the paper degrading. therefore, because paper degrees for thousands and thousands of years, there is no particular worry is that the smells will disappear. —— degrades. so long as there are books, there smell will linger. but it is the smell of dying books that we are smelling. the smell of dying books. wow. beneath the desk you have a couple of flasks foran the desk you have a couple of flasks for an experiment. i am sorry, they are not presentable. that is fine.

something is in here and we do not know what it is. we will give it a smell. tell me what you smell. thanks. get. tell us which one has got bottled books as a smell. 0k. that is a very, very strong smell the peak i know what i think. try the peak i know what i think. try the second one. that smells like a shoe cupboard. 0h the second one. that smells like a shoe cupboard. oh no! that is vinegar! charlie, i do not want to know what your shoe cupboard smells like. this is very distinctly old books. it absolutely is. what is in it? how did you put the smell in? books. it absolutely is. what is in it? how did you put the smell mm isa it? how did you put the smell mm is a very simple experiment. you heat up a piece of tape in an empty bottle for a couple of hours and you

have a smell of bottled books. —— paper. smells dry. the other smell is the smell of decaying dolls. 0h! iam happy is the smell of decaying dolls. 0h! i am happy you said it smells of vinegar because we often say that dolls get a so—called vinegar syndrome. old plastic.|j dolls get a so—called vinegar syndrome. old plastic. ithought it's not like a shoe cupboard. one filled with dolls! do we underrate smell? not really. the greater an opportunity we have with the smell of books is it is clearly important. this is the first step for us as a society to identify smells with cultural value that we want to

maintainfor cultural value that we want to maintain forfuture cultural value that we want to maintain for future generations. we will have you back in an hour or so's time. any particular smells in this studio this morning? it is pretty devoid of smells. this studio this morning? it is pretty devoid of smellslj this studio this morning? it is pretty devoid of smells. i think we will go with that one. that is a good comment. tell us what you think about smells and which are good and which are about. yes, they do not have to be nice. nice would be good, though. now for the weather. it will smell like spring. waking up this scenes like this from one of our weather watchers in wales. strong sunshine. fairly high uv levels. very warm indeed. particularly across south—eastern areas. high pressure in charge of the scene. these weather fronts. the party across scotland and northern ireland. most of us waking up to the

fine start. a few mist and fog patches. for most places, you start off with anything mercurial cloudy, it will brighten up nicely. by this afternoon, the western and northern isles of scotland holding onto cloud in some spots of drizzle. they could well get up to 21 or 22 degrees. a lovely afternoon to the grand national. around the coast as they develop a sea breeze. it will feel that bit cooler. a lovely evening of the barbecue. overnight, clear skies. it will allow things to turn chilly. even with warm days, we can get chilly nights. towns and cities, about six or seven degrees. a touch of frost. once again, the odd mist and fog patch around tomorrow morning. tomorrow, a bit of a split

in fortunes. england and wales, sunshine. it will stay sunny. for scotla nd sunshine. it will stay sunny. for scotland and northern ireland. temperatures to degrees in glasgow. compare that with 2a, maybe 25 towards the south—east. that'll be the warmest weather of the year so far. high uv levels in the sunshine, particularly across and wales. a fever sufferers, beware. we'll be back with the headlines at 8 o'clock. now it's time for newswatch with samira ahmed. the bbc gets an external regulator. what difference will this make to viewers? are we on the brink of a bright new dawn?

or might we sink? a measured analysis of brexit from david dimbleby. it's in the form of a rap. first, one of the survivors of the westminster attack a couple of weeks ago gave an emotional interview to the bbc on wednesday. her husband curt was killed and she herself was badly injured. here is a clip from that night's news at ten. melissa cochran has spoken exclusively to my colleague fiona bruce. curt was probably the best man i have ever met. he was sweet and kind and i'm extremely proud of him and i'm very happy that the world now knows what a wonderful man he was. two viewers recorded their thoughts on that for us. they were divided about the interview, but united in their condemnation

of how it was described and promoted on air. can someone please explain to me what it means when hugh edwards prefaces a news report with an expression "exclusive report"? the interview was very emotionally charged. and, but handled sensitively by fiona bruce, but i feel the interview was cheapened by this out of date expression. the woman was visibly traumatised, shocked. there were tears running down her face. i don't believe she should have been interviewed even had she agreed to it. here is the rub. at the very beginning of the interview fiona bruce said, "and now we have an exclusive interview with melissa cohchrane, it's like we it's a trophy, we're better than the rest, the woman was visibly traumatised, shocked.

we managed to get an interview with a visibly traumatise red, shocked and bereaved woman before anyone else. well done bbc. give yourselves a pat on the back. well, we put their points to one of the big debates was over the comments made by football manager david moyse with bbc sport the bbc sports reporter vicki sparkes. does this put pressure with you on the manager when you know the owner is in the stands watching on? not at all. brilliant. then came this. getting a bit naughty at the end. watch yourself. you still might get a slap even though you're a woman. careful the next time you come in. david moyse apologised for those comments which were widely condemned and are being investigated by the football association, but some newswatch viewers thought this was a storm in a tea cup hyped

by bbc news. who decides what constitutes impartiality, balance and accuracy in bbc news reports and passesjudgement when the values are infringed. on newswatch we don't have that authority though we're keen to hear your views. up to this week it's the responsibility of the bbc trust but that body disappeared and from monday the independent regulator ofcom has ta ken oversight of all bbc content. what difference will that make for viewers? well, to answer, that i'm joined by steven barnet, professor of communications

and by stewart purvis, to rmer chief executive of itn and a former partner of ofcom. steven, what difference will it make now that ofcom has taken over? the difference is that once you make your complaint to the bbc, which is always the case, you start with the bbc. if you want to escalate it, up until the end of march, you go to the bbc trust. now you go to ofcom. the question is, in practice is it going to make that much difference? the bbc trust despite the name, in my view at least, was a pretty independent body. and i think it was actually pretty good at looking after the complainants who felt they had not had justice from the bbc itself. the problem was that p perception was that this was just once again the bbc, so there will be a sense, i think on those kinds of grounds around impartiality in particular.

and briefly... the independent regulator is looking after it. briefly, they are bringing in some changes. i think there is more news going to happen on radio 2 which obviously doesn't affect newswatch but now practical changes in what's required in news provision, is that right? there's a different issue about what they are going to be, the bbc is going to be required to do, which will be set by ofcoms, which is different from the complaints pro—red yur. there will be certain changes to some of the so—called licences for the different radio stations, possibly some of the tv channels as well. which will be set by ofcom. stewart, you used to be at ofcom, we know at newswatch viewers are often unhappy about how the bbc handles concerns about impartiality. we heard from steven that in a way it shouldn't make a difference but does knit some way make a difference in how the bbc will operate? i think it wasn't just a perception you weren't sure who will make a decision, i think it was a wider decision about who to complain to of what. i think the issue is wider across the range of bbc output. the simplicity of this is, if you're unhappy, complain

to the bbc first, if not, go to ofcom. having said that, there are exceptions. there was if you like a big fudge in the past. there's now a smaller one and perhaps greater clarity about who is in charge at the end of the day. we often hear from bbc editors, achieving impartiality and balance is done through personal judgement and not scientific. but the new bbc chair says he want assign tiffic approach. —— wants a scientific approach. can it be done? it's a noble ambition but i'm afraid it's in vain. the whole basis is we want human judgement, we don't want it to be done by some algorithm or other, we want people to take into account the context, background, a whole series of factors before the regulator makes final decisions. i am sure there will be league tables about which words are more impartial, but we need experienced people preferably with background themselves in television news, that they have to be able to defend, thejudgement. if the bbc doesn't like what ofcom

says, i have no problem, they should be allowed to say that. with the scientific approach, i'm sure viewers will think if the bbc did a head count and looked to see who goes on panel shows and i hear complaints about certain people talked over and not getting their fair share. they do. you will always get complaints from people who see the knew —— news through their lens, of what is right and wrong, particularly the big issues, like referendum, brexit, or middle east, which are the ones that bet the biggest —— get the biggest lot of complaints. stewart is completely right. you can count the number of minutes as much as you want. you can count the number of heads, you can count the number of times on different sides that someone is for and someone is against. in the end, it is going to be a matter ofjudgement. newswatch deals with online as much as traditional tv and radio news output. but ofcom aren't going to regulate it. how does that work?

what's been going on behind the scenes is ofcom are pushing back from the government about the idea that they should regulate notjust bbc broadcasting but online content as well. we will have the weird situation — if you want to complain about something you saw on the television or radio, you will if you don't like the bbc‘s response get the chance to go to ofcom. if you see a same story covered online in terms of a blog post by a bbc correspondent, you won't be able to go to ofcom. the reason for that is that ofcom doesn't want to set a precedent for regulating online content. why doesn't it regulate itv online, or channel a online, or the daily mail online. i find it's an odd situation and quite unsatisfactory in terms of the viewer. everyone complains about too much bureaucratic at the bbc, —— bureaucracy at the bbc. willa whole new layer of ofcom rules make that worse? i don't think there will be a whole new layer of rules. the whole idea is to make it easier and clearer for those consumers

who want to complain. i looked at the ofcom form. it's dead simple, to make a complaint. the actual process, i don't think will be any more confusing. i do have a fear about what it might do to the culture of ofcom, taking on this additional very large area of bbc oversight and i think it's going to make it, going to politicise ofcom in a way that it hasn't been before. it's going to put knit the firing line. -- it. it's going to be under pressure in the way that the bbc is under pressure. under more pressure from those who are not great friends of the bbc, in particular the major publishers and some major critics of the bbc. once ofcom come down in some of theirjudgements, which they will, on the side of the bbc, i suspect we will see more criticism of ofcom than we have so far. thank you both very much. finally, last week saw a novel approach to impartiality taken by david dimbleby in a promotional trail for bbc one's question time on facebook live.

in a surprise move, a veteran of numerous occasions, —— elections and state occasions, demonstrated his alleged skill in the art of rap. # we've triggered article 50 # the letter was nifty # will we have to be thrifty with a recession in 2050 # or rather doom or gloom, thousands of trade deals loom # # with terror threats, merkel threats # will we decide to pay our debts? # as immigration vexation and questions from the nation may, # may's premiership is out on probation # # what does britain think? # are we on the brink of a bright new dawn? # or might we sink?# that's the stuff we get up to op question time in the afternoon when we think brexit, brexit, brexit, brexit. what will we do different about brexit? well, it was certainly different, wasn't it. was it appropriate? the performance was described variously online as impressive and awkward, with a plead:

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