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who are going to ask, from people who are joining me, where they come from, but merely whether they agree for a renewal of our political life. to guarantee the security of french people, for freeing work, guarantee the security of french people, forfreeing work, for reorganising schools and making it possible for all of us to progress in society, whatever the origins and to relaunch the building of a strong europe. macron, president! from tonight, you have to assume a certain risk and you mustjoin me, me and the parliamentary majority i will build from tomorrow onwards. my
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fellow citizens, you have done it. you, the ones who have carried us forward. and you demonstrated that in our country there was no fatalities. you are above face of that rebirth. you are in the face of hope, french hope. in a fortnight, i wa nt hope, french hope. in a fortnight, i want us to win will stop —— i want us want us to win will stop —— i want us to win. my my fellow citizens, there are not different france says. just the one
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france. it will be an enormous and immense task. i will be actively on your side. the struggle to be able to be the leader of our country starts tonight and we will win that struggle. long live the republic and long live france. so, there is emmanuel macron taking the adoration of his supporters. talking about the fact he is the candidate of optimism and hope. he said he wants to relaunch the european project. he understands the
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expectations they have of him. not much in terms of policy. we will talk about that in a second. he did say he wants to bring new people and new talents to french politics. he is looking forward to the parliamentary elections in june. this is a movement, en marche, not a party does to be is talking about bringing a whole, new political class to the national assembly. as we watch those pictures, i will bring ina we watch those pictures, i will bring in a campaignerforjean—luc melenchon. also this is a civil rights campaigner for the blood talk to you first. you have to be at other events this evening. —— a civil rights campaigner. emmanuel macron, still a little bit light on policy. it is not clear what his programme was. we have started a
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campaign more than a year ago with a programme and grassroots movement. this is whyjean—luc melenchon announced earlier tonight that we will ask people's opinion, consult our members on what to do in a second term. on the general line, what we can see with this election which is new is that the old world is dying and a new era is coming. do you consider emmanuel macron part of that dying political class? is he more of the same? he is part of the establishment. you said it earlier, he isa establishment. you said it earlier, he is a former banker from rothschild bank. he is backed by a lot of mainstream media. he went abroad to seek full financial support. that is absolutely contrary
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to what we have done, trying to make a grassroots movement. it is more of a grassroots movement. it is more of a french, cultural identity. kind of sounds more like ernie sanders tried to do in the us, for example. fascinating character. he has the support of the communist party. he has the support of the communist party. he wants 95% tax rate for those above a certain amount in wages. a lot of people in france believe in theirs. what can you do if he does not get through to the next round. what is the next step? can you bring people into parliament who believe those sorts of things? the next upcoming challenge for us
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will be bringing in a lot of new mps, a lot of youngsters who were involved in this campaign. youngsters, women, young women also to that campaign. that was a major achievement in our campaign. to go back on what you are saying, chavez did what he did in the latin american world, which is very different, the level of poverty is very different to what we are having here. here, the situation is considerably challenging as well. it is not a model. it is not our society. we do not have any of them. we only have the french history and the french republican values. stay with us for a few minutes. i want to cross to james reynolds who is at macron‘s headquarters. you are
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listening to emmanuel macron. what did they make of it? they cheered along. from their point of view, it was not a particularlyjubilant speech that it was a statesman—like speech. that gave you an indication was speaking to. he was not threatening himself to the people in the room. you are ready has their votes stop he is already thinking of the second round and make sure he ties up the other votes from the socialist party and from francois fillon as well. it is about someone looking beyond his supporters. james, we were just talking here. there is a lot of hope and optimism expressed by mr macron. a lot of our guests are saying they still need to seek policies and manifested. what will you do to actually change france? —— seed policies and
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ma nifestos. france? —— seed policies and manifestos. a lot of promises about being pro—eu, pro—business and pro—social welfare. at what point will this be crystallised ? pro—social welfare. at what point will this be crystallised? they say he will go around and get as many votes as he can from others. that would be the central question asked of him and his supporters in the next couple of weeks. it is all rather having promises converted into a rather having promises converted intoa number of rather having promises converted into a number of votes in the first round but what about real specifics it should be a governing programme? he is the strong favourite and might have one eye on the parliamentary elections in june. no have one eye on the parliamentary elections injune. no point being president if you do not have a parliament wanted to carry out your wishes. 0k, james. for the moment, thank you very much. let me just remind you of the first partial results that were released by the french interior ministry. 28 million votes have been counted so far which showed marine le pen on 23.6%.
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emmanuel macron on 22.78%. jean—luc melenchon on 18 point 43%. a good result for him, nonetheless. we must point out this result does not include votes from the big cities where the polls close later than the rest of the country. the final result might be different. before i let you go, you are not giving in yet. he is saying, let's wait till you get the final result. yes. considering the amount of voters in the big cities and the voters who are more inclined to vote for jean—luc melenchon. he can still hope to be number three. to go on to the previous debate we had, for us, macron, the danger is that he is their hairto macron, the danger is that he is
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their hair to president francois hollande's austerity. we have been accused of being radicalfar left. i do not consider myself to be a radical, i am a true socialist, in a way. let's go to the jean-luc melenchon camp and sewer happens with the rest of that camp. let's have a look at the projection results. the centrist emmanuel macron is on 23.8%. a slight reversal in the results. marine le pen on 2i.7%. francois fillon is on i9.8% pen on 2i.7%. francois fillon is on 19.8% and jean—luc melenchon, the far left candidate on i9.2%. the real sorry story of the evening is the socialist party. look at that. down there at barely 7%. the same
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party as the serving president, president francois hollande, who was not able to stand. the most unpopular president by some margin. with these margins, we can assume that macron and marine le pen will be fighting in the second round, a week on sunday. they are not conceding, not just yet. week on sunday. they are not conceding, notjust yet. i can also introduce you to the editor of the right leading cause magazine. let me just ask you, since you have been waiting. we talk to you a few days ago about what people would make in this election. what will they make of the final result now that marine le pen is into the second round? we have known that marine le pen would be into the second round of the elections. it is not a surprise for
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anyone. her party has not won the last two elections. the european elections or she has been in the landscape for a long time put it is no surprise. what really surprises me is the way her and emmanuel macron present themselves as people who are new to the political french system that actually, marine le pen, inherited it from herfather. she is the product of a party that has been in the political landscape for a long time. herfather was in the political landscape for a long time. her father was the minister of the budget and he really succeeded in marketing himself as someone new succeeded in marketing himself as someone new that he is still a representative of the establishment. it is interesting to see. i have tried to listen to his speech. i do not understand what he stands for. that is probably the reason why he
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was able to attract people from a former communist man. someone from the party of temper asaid it was a marketing man's. full of rhetoric that light on policy. —— jean—luc melenchon. he can say one thing one day and on the contrary the other day. there was a former communist who was the mayor of the city of saint denis. also people who used to back nicholas are cosy. it is a large amount of people. your readers, will they be happy with what they have seen this evening?” think, first of all, the fact that the nation state and the relation to europe in the centre is good news
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for them. it has been quite a long time that we have been trying to say that the real political partition line is no longer right or left but it is about borders, it is where democracy is, sovereignty is. now we have the two candidates that represent two views will do wonders for the european project, which will go all the way to a kind of united states of europe, which is legitimate, and the other is that the nation state has a very important role to play and actually that we do not know if democracy is possible outside of a nation state. do stay with us. i want to cross to gavin who is at the bastille. we showed you clashes between the police and we thought they were left—wing demonstrators clashed with far right protesters. maybe gavin can shed some light. tell us about what happened and what the situation
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is at the moment. it has calmed down quite a lot. there is still a group of protesters. you can see and hear the riot police. on the bastille, it isa the riot police. on the bastille, it is a bit quieter. a couple of hours ago, we can show you those pictures. there were clashes, ugly scenes. shouting about marine le pen, neither macron. there were actually some families. students i was speaking to. there were also men in masks who are intent on causing trouble. things have calmed down and the police have backed away slightly. there are trigger points you may see in the background with protesters throwing things at the police. we'll bring in some people who arrived a short while ago. there was a call to come here. tell me about that. some people told us we have to come here in bastille to
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protest against marine le pen and protest against marine le pen and protest against marine le pen and protest against the vote. 50, we we nt protest against the vote. 50, we went here but there was nobody, so i don't know why. we want to protest because that is the first sign that marine le pen, it is historical. we wa nt marine le pen, it is historical. we want to protest against that. we don't want marine le pen for president. they wanted to protest against that but there is nobody. so, you're looking for where to voice your thoughts, you're upset about marine le pen making it through. we want some people to hear that we are upset. in a time of trouble, it is about the government, every people, saying, this is not normal, this is historical. in 2002,
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there was not that score with the election. that is historical. we have to do something. we don't want brexit. we want something else. what will you do now? you both voted for left—wing candidates. what will you do with the choice of macron or marine le pen? i'm going to vote for macron because i do not want to see marine le pen as president. i think the all should vote as macron because we do not want marine le pen as president. you were saying you wa nt as president. you were saying you want a blank vote, by putting nobody on the scoresheet. yes, i will have nobody on my vote. i think so. on the scoresheet. yes, i will have nobody on my vote. i think 50. maybe ican nobody on my vote. i think 50. maybe i can change my mind. i will have nobody on my vote because both of them don't deserve my vote. there was trouble here, we saw it a moment
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ago. people like you just here to stand and show defiance. what will you do for the rest of the night? willoughby showing up to protest and keep your voice heard? that is a good question. what about the repression? we have done the emergency state and everything. the police should do what the police will do. we will see if there are protests going on. a quick look around at the moment and thanks to both of you. i appreciate that. a lot of tactical coordination going on. ultimately a lot calmer than the scenes we saw before. gavin, thank you very much. bastille was a focus of demonstrations, of course not that unusual to see demonstrations, particularly on a night like this. there will be some people who are upset about seeing marine le pen in the second round and we may see that
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protest in the coming weeks.” the second round and we may see that protest in the coming weeks. i have seen on protest in the coming weeks. i have seen on social media calls to protest at french embassies around the world. people do not want to see that in our country. we sent the largest number of mps that in our country. we sent the largest number of mp5 from the far right in the european parliament. today we have marine le pen running for the second round. there is one thing. the only thing i found interesting in the second round of years it is the first time in the republic that we have two candidates who are under50. republic that we have two candidates who are under 50. that means that people in france are willing to get rid of the older generations, the establishment and the older generations. that is interesting. if mr macron is really part of the establishment. he is. he was saying he is changing the face of the french politics. at the same time,
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changing the face is very superficial. we really need people who will change french politics in a deep way. 0k. thank you bromance. let's focus on what marine le pen has been talking about tonight. she said the time has come for what she said the time has come for what she said was the real all talented. -- alternative. fellow citizens, you have projected me to the second round of the presidential election. lam aware round of the presidential election. i am aware of the honour you are giving me i am i am aware of the honour you are giving me lam humble and i am aware of the honour you are giving me i am humble and grateful. i would like to express to you, french patria is, how grateful i am. the first step, which should lead france to the elysee is already cove red. france to the elysee is already covered. it is a historical result and it is for me to take on board
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the enormous responsibility of defending france, being responsible for its culture, its prosperity, its independence, its security. it is something to do with french pride. a country that raises its head, which is sure of its values and thrust into the future. i am sure absolutely every french person has been aware of the fact that the syste m been aware of the fact that the system tried through every possible means to stifle the big political debate that election should have been. that the debate will take place at long last. breen depends speaking at her headquarters in the calais region. —— marine le pen. let's introduce you to the minister of state for the current government. commiserations. not a very good night for your candidate. yes, and
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no. no, because of course it is defeat for the socialist candidate. yes, because, at least, the progressives are represented in the second round. my fear was to see no pro—european candidate. now the choice is very clear between marine le pen. i backed the candidacy of macron. does the withdrawal of the socialist candidate reflect the broken promises of the last five yea rs ? broken promises of the last five years? it is impossible to tell this evening. person who has taken part in five years of political action, to see that this is not being discussed at all because the presidential debate was not for or against what was done in
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re—elections. but that is my personal opinion. i have spent five years of my life trying to act for the better, the best. it is a non—subject. i want to build a future. i think the best way to do it is with emmanuel macron. we will have plenty of time to reflect on the future of the left in france and in europe. some say, it may be conspiracy theorists, that he is a political plant. emmanuel macron, former economy minister, has been put in the centre. that is really where president francois hollande, thatis where president francois hollande, that is where they wanted to be. they said you cannot campaign within the socialist party and win, you have to form your own. you save plucked. i am
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have to form your own. you save plucked. lam not have to form your own. you save plucked. i am not aware of any strategic plans that might have been imagined last year. i don't think so. imagined last year. i don't think so. i think maybe macron was smart enough to understand that there was political space to fill. the more radical left was very upset and frustrated about the government because of francois fillon was not that popular. with all the scandals that popular. with all the scandals that emerged, it was wide open. that popular. with all the scandals that emerged, it was wide openm ita that emerged, it was wide openm it a conspiracy theory that macron had been put there by the socialists? i don't think so. he erupted like a dog in a crooked game and disturbed everyone's game. they tried to make defeat looked like victory, so they tell us stories about them being behind and pushing and pulling the wires. i don't think
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so. and pulling the wires. i don't think so. he is very clever, very ambitious, and he saw the train slowing down in his station and he jumped on it. you think he will win in the second round?” jumped on it. you think he will win in the second round? i think it is very probable he will win. the opinion polls were quite accurate andl opinion polls were quite accurate and i see no opinion polls were quite accurate and | see no reason opinion polls were quite accurate and i see no reason to doubt it in the future. thank you for being with us. the future. thank you for being with us. we think we have a result this evening. it looks like emanuel macron and marine le pen going through to the second round. how will france react to that? we will see in the course of the next two weeks. we will leave you in paris. a beautiful evening. the eiffel tower behind us. the lights are on. we will see, over the course of the next two weeks, how the debate on the presidential round two develops. good evening. after a fine and
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reasonably warm day for many of us on sunday, the weather is about to turn much more wintry through the week ahead. we will start to see some wintry showers. sleet and snow particularly across scotland and the return to frosty nights. gardeners do take note. things will feel colder over the next three days. we have a couple of cold fronts in the north bringing cloud and rain to scotland. behind those france, much colder air that will bring sleet and snow showers to some areas. cold tonight across the sheltered glens of scotland. milder further south, about eight, nine, the overnight lows. on monday morning, about eight in the morning, a fairly bright and dry start to the day in southern
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parts of england. a bit of a cloudy picture in the midlands and wales. much of northern england will seek quite a bit of cloud with a few spots of drizzle. mr and rain thinking southjoined spots of drizzle. mr and rain thinking south joined the day. northern ireland starts off with outbreaks of rain. in scotland we are in the cold airfrom the outbreaks of rain. in scotland we are in the cold air from the word go. you can see snow showers piling in from the north. a bitter, cold feeling day across much of scotland. heading through the day on monday, this frontal system heads south. some outbreaks in aberystwyth and around the wash by the middle part of the afternoon. staying dry in the far south. temperatures typically only around seven to 9 degrees further north. really cold in the north—east of scotland. the cold air will stay with us as we head through monday night into tuesday. the northerly arrow shareware the area is coming from. to stay, some
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sunshine around. it will be a cold feeling day with the mix of wintry showers in parts of scotland. in the east of england some of the showers are cropping up. quite a lot of dry and bright weather in between the sleety showers for the temperatures roundabout 6—i2d. cooler than it has been. into the middle of the week the chilli bean continues. things will turn milder as we head towards the end of the week. goodbye for now. tonight at 10pm, french voters reject traditional parties in a political earthquake, as two outsiders are chosen to go head—to—head in the presidential election. chanting the centrist emmanuel macron is through to the next round of voting, having promised a new kind of politics. chanting
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he'll take on the far right‘s marine le pen, who says the survival of france itself it as stake, in the election. the socialists and republicans who've governed france for more than half a century trailed well behind. we'll have the very latest on a crucial night for french and european politics. also on the programme — jeremy corbyn won't commit to renewing the trident weapons system, but labour says it will back the nuclear deterrent.
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