hello. it's wednesday. it's 9am. i'm victoria derbyshire. welcome to the programme. with a general election six weeks away, voter apathy remains high. we took two women who don't like politics to spend a day in parliament. could it convince them to vote? i wasn't too sure why the speaker speaks in that weird voice when he calls out people's names. and then it made it hard to understand what he was saying. yeah. reporter: how does he do it? right, my name is kiara and it was like ki—ar—ra. it was really weird. we'll bring you that full report in around 15 minutes time. the puppy farm murders — surrey police have been criticised for returning a collection of shotguns to a man who went on to kill his partner and her daughter. we found systematic failings from the local force and also we feel that there are lessons to be learnt nationally. and teachers say they're regularly receiving abuse from parents — and it's driving them away from the profession.

we'll hear from teachers who say parents have made their lives a misery. hello and welcome to the programme. we're live until 11am. throughout the programme we'll bring you the latest breaking news and developing stories and, as always, keen to hear from you. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning. our top story today. labour has promised to increase pay for nhs staff and scrap tuition fees for student nurses if it wins the general election. the party says it will abolish the current cap for staff in england which limits pay increases to 1%. labour said the policies would help address staffing shortages in england that had become a "threat to patients". our political guru norman smith is in westminster for us now. hi norman, good morning. so, how much will this pay rise be for nhs staff? well, labour are saying they wa nt staff? well, labour are saying they want people in the nhs to get a pay rise in line with the cost of

living. so that means going up, i guess, in line with inflation which at the moment is around 2.5% and that, of course, follows years of pay caps and pay freezes. i think it is seven years of caps and freezes. so, pay in the nhs has gone down really for a long time. labour say you have got to reverse that because people are leaving the nhs. it is undermining staff morale and they're putting that together with money to ensure that staffing on wards is at a safe level. they want to set—up a review to decide what is the safe level for staffing and then to legislate to ensure that wards have adequate numbers of nurses there. so that too will cost money and they're suggesting they want to reintroduce student bursaries for people who wa nt to student bursaries for people who want to become nurses. it is a big package, but it is an expensive package, but it is an expensive package probably runs into billions of pounds. they said that would

address of pounds. they said that would a d dress staff of pounds. they said that would address staff shortages. 2a,000 nursing vacancies in england. how do they say they would pay for this then? well, there we are in foggy terrain shall we say? at the moment labour say we can get the money from reversing some of the tax changes introduced by the tories particularly the cut in corporation tax. now, they say if you reversed those tax cuts including inheritance tax and lowering the top rate of tax you could get £70 billion. there is a big question mark about that because this money seems to have been spent quite a few times because we know labour have committed to reverse tuition fees, renationalise the railways and reverse various benefit cuts. a load of spending commitments so the details have to be gone through meticulously, but labour are saying when they produce their manifesto it will be fully funded, but be in no doubt vic we will be getting our calculators out and going through the sums to see if they actually add up. thank you very

much, norman. more from norman through the rest of the year and through the rest of the year and through the rest of the year and through the rest of your lives, hopefully. annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. surrey police have been strongly criticised for returning a collection of shotguns to a man who went on to kill his partner and her daughter. christine and lucy lee were shot by 82—year—old john lowe in 2014. a report by the independent police complaints commission has highlighted serious failings by the force as our correspondent duncan kennedy reports. this was the moment police arrived atjohn lowe's puppy farm near farnham to find he'd murdered two women. he had shot his partner christine lee and her daughter lucy at close—range using a shotgun. and nobody would have got near him... lowe, who was 82 at the time, was laterjailed for life with the judge's recommendation that he serve at least 25 years. it emerged that a year before the murders. lowe had a number

of shotguns seized by surrey police, but the weapons had then been returned to him. they included the shotgun he used on the two women. today, that decision by surrey police to hand the guns back was severely criticised by the independent police complaints commission. we found systematic failings for the local force and also we feel that there are lessons to be learned nationally by police forces to ensure that their firearms licensing teams are up to the job. surrey police have apologised to the family of christine and lucy lee, saying that the decision to hand back the shotguns to john lowe was flawed. it said one firearms licensing officer had been sacked and another retired. today's report said the death of christine and lucy lee was a shocking event. and that whilst these incidents were rare, all forces had to check carefully anyone who wanted a gun. before 10am, victoria will be

talking to the deputy commissioner of surrey police about that case. detectives investigating the disappearance of madeleine mccann say they are still pursuing what they describe as "critical leads" in the case. next week will mark ten years since the three—year—old disappeared while on holiday with her parents in portugal. our home affairs correspondent tom symonds reports. ten years, no answers. a desperate search with the media following every step. what happened here? where is madeleine mccann? this is still a missing persons inquiry. despite 2014's extensive police searches in portugal, there is no definitive evidence she is dead. for six years, with government money, the metropolitan police have been reviewing everything from scratch. we have a significant line of inquiry which is worth pursuing and because it's worth pursuing it

could provide an answer but until we've gone through it, i won't know whether we're going to get there or not. and that's all the police are saying. this investigation was once pursued by up to 30 officers. now, there are just four on the case and a handful of leads. but while there is still something to investigate, there is still hope. madeleine's parents have described the ten year anniversary as a horrible marker of stolen time. they've released a statement promising never to give up. there have been many challenges and low points along the way, they said, but the warmth, encouragement and positivity we've experienced from the quiet majority has undoubtedly sustained us and maintained our faith in human goodness. this is how madeleine might have looked as she has grown up. her 14th birthday is the week after next. a former health secretary has said a "criminal cover—up on an industrial scale" took place

over the use of nhs contaminated blood products in the 1970s and 1980s. more than 2,000 deaths have been linked to the scandal in which haemophiliacs and others were infected with hepatitis c and hiv from imported blood. speaking in the commons last night, andy burnham said the victims were treated like "guinea pigs". new research in the united states has found that cases of "stealthing" are on the rise. the term is used to describe when a man removes a condom during sex, despite agreeing to wear one. the study by alexandra brodsky said it was common practice amongst young sexually active people. but victims' charities have expressed concern and say it must be treated as rape. a husband has been charged with killing his wife after police said data from her wearable fitness tracker contradicted his version of events. richard dabate claimed to have seen his wife connie shot dead

by intruders in the us state of connecticut more than an hour before her fitbit device recorded her last movements. he will stand trial for murder later this month. united airlines is investigating the death of a giant rabbit, which was being transported on one of its planes. the 90cm—long bunny called simon, similar to this one, was found dead in the cargo hold when the flight arrived at chicago's 0'hare airport from london heathrow. united said it was "saddened" by simon's death. new research has found that copying your boss into emails can make everyone else in the office distrust you. research undertaken by cambridge university traffic found that while it could seem like a way to increase transparency, the "cc effect" fed a culture of fear amongst colleagues and many employees saw it as a potentially threatening move. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. more at 9.30am. thank you very much.

do get in touch with us throughout the morning — particularly if you're one of those people who ccs the boss in. let's get some sport with tim now. and we're heading for the end of the premier league season, chelsea still out in front, are they stoppable? 4-2 the 11—2 the score. it was while they we re 11—2 the score. it was while they were going into half—time, but in injury time, the skipper gary cahill headed chelsea ahead to ease a few nerves after they lost to manchester united ten days ago. a couple of goals from costa made sure of that victory. he has been in great form. cahill, the win was a massive step towards the title. his team—mate tweeted, "0ne towards the title. his team—mate tweeted, "one step closer. come on, the blues." gary lineker doesn't

think chelsea are close. he thinks they are already there. saying, "huge win for chelsea in that march towards the title." here is what their manager had to say last night. you must be ready for this mental effort. not only physical effort, but also mental effort, but yeah, it is not easy, but we are fighting and we are ready to fight from now until the end. so tim, tottenham seven points behind again, they take on crystal palace tonight and that won't be straight—forwa rd, will it? it won't at all, vic. it will be really ha rd it won't at all, vic. it will be really hard for them. palace are in the best form of their season. trying to survive in the premier league, they've beaten, chelsea, arsenal and liverpool. they won at anfield at the weekend and two of the games were away from home that they won, including chelsea as well. spurs have the likes of harry kane and dele alli. they will hope the

two stars can deliver at selhurst park and reduce the deficit with five games remaining. now tim, i believe there was a rather proud parent watching our programme yesterday, tell us more. just a bit, victoria. this was an unexpected surprise. as much as we love sir rod stewart, this want about sir rod, it was about a dad being very proud of his son. after we reported that liam stewart scored for great britain's ice hockey team yesterday morning, we didn't expect this to surface. presenter: great britain's ice hockey players won their second game in their world championship group beating estonia 5—1 in belfast last night when liam stewart, the son of music legend sir rod stewart and son of former model rachel hunter, scored his first international goal. britainjoinjapan and lithuania at the top of the table on six points.... rod stewart: my boy! i love it. can we play it again? can

we play it again, please? presenter: great britain's ice hockey players won their second game in their world championship group beating estonia 5—1 in belfast last night when liam stewart, the son of music legend sir rod stewart and son of former model rachel hunter, scored his first international goal. britainjoinjapan and lithuania at the top of the table on six points.... rod stewart: my boy! sir rod, good ok, so with a general election in six weeks time you're going to be hearing quite a bit about election issues that matter to you like the nhs, like brexit, like education, immigration, the economy. yet new research out today suggests that voter apathy is a really big deal. most of us aren't all that engaged in politics, just a third of us are satisfied with the system we have for governing the country and the vast majority think we have no influence in decision—making. so we took two people, who're not really bothered

by politics, don't think it represents them, and between them have only voted once, bear in mind one is aged 26 and one is 36, to spend a day in parliament. this is how they got on. parliament. home to our democracy for centuries. it's where our 650 elected mps and our 805 unelected lords come to debate and eventually legislate how our country is run. but most of us don't understand it. so if you could spend a day here and walk in their shoes, could you? my name's latifa, i'm 26 years old, i'm a graduate and i run my own cake company. my name's kiara, i'm married, i have to children, a boy and a girl, two children, a boy and a girl, and i run my own business.

when you look at the building opposite us, what do you think? i feel that politicians make decisions for people they don't know anything about. because a lot of the lives people live are nothing like the lives politicians live. they're the ones making all the decisions for all these people and it kind of grinds my gears a bit. i'm sure they work very hard, but i don't think it's probably worth what they earn, because i think if they had to live a year on average person's wage, i'm not sure they would be able on an average person's wage, i'm not sure they would be able to manage that. i would like to know more about parliament, so i can start to vote because i currently don't vote because i don't understand what i'm voting for, so i don't vote. i hope i will have more of an understanding of what mps do because i do think they are slated a lot in the press, so it would be nice to have my own opinion of what they do and what happens. their first stop is the commons

chamber with former work and pensions secretary, conservative mp iain duncan smith. here you are actually, literally in a bearpit, when it's very noisy and when people are angry and you disagree with each other. remind him of anybody? shouting. jeering. sometimes you might see from television pictures people standing up and sitting down and standing up and sitting down. that's because when someone finishes speaking, those who want to speak stand up and the speaker can see them and he'll decide who is going to come next. so, who is the speaker? order! you really are a very over—excitable individual! you need to write out a thousand times, "i will behave myself at prime minister's questions!" it's called the speaker because his original title,

he speaks on behalf of the commons. if there's an announcement to be made by the commons, or in the old days when the monarchy was much stronger and they basically were the government and parliament was just parliament, the speaker was the one who used to have to have the difficult conversations with the monarch. particularly if the parliament decided they didn't like what the king or queen did. the speaker was the one who actually had to go and tell them. and if the monarch didn't like it, they normally took it out on the speaker, so lots of speakers have lost their heads! these are called dispatch boxes. this is where the prime minister will stand when she's making a speech. or i was a secretary of state until i resigned a year and a bit ago now, and i would have stood here when i was secretary of state and other ministers will come. let me just say to the honourable gentleman, perhaps he would like to keep quiet and listen for once to somebody who knows what they're talking about. i say to him very simply... this is the government front bench. if it's a full front bench,

it will be the prime minister sitting here and they will then have next to them probably the chancellor, and the home secretary, some of the more senior members of government will be here and then the bench fills out. and the rest is all backbenchers who support the government. we have a peculiar way of speaking to each other here, which nobody ever understands! which is i don't refer to you, i refer to the honourable or right honourable lady, that would be you, or member. and the reason for that is i speak to you in the third person because is very difficult to be personally abusive, although some people can manage it quite well, in the third person. that bench over there is where the official opposition sits, that's where the opposition shadow ministers or the leader of the opposition... i was leader of the opposition once, a long time ago. it's actually the most difficult job ever, because you have none of the support that the government gets from civil servants and everything else. and the man with the hardest job ever, according

to iain duncan smith, is leader of the opposition, labour's jeremy corbyn. hi. do you feel parliament represents you or do you feel it's something that's there...? i suppose no, we don't really feel it does represent us because we don't understand how it works. exactly, i feel the same way. did you learn any of it in school? no, that's the thing, you don't learn about politics at school. and i personally think maybe people should be educated about politics at a younger age. even at primary age would be good. yeah, because it's effecting your life and then you grow up and you're told to vote, but a lot of people don't even really know what they're voting about. can i ask you, so, as the leader of the opposition, if you wanted to bring a policy in place and obviously your party is not in power at the moment, so something like the raising of the minimum wage, is it something you can take to the houses of parliament and say, i want to enforce this, and then they will debate it?

or is that something that can't happen, unless you are in power? we would try to introduce it through amendments to the budget oramendments to minimum wage legislation so we would make it our cause. the chances of winning in parliament are obviously reduced when there's a conservative majority, but we would use every opportunity to put it forward. when i left me i was basically told that if i'm not pregnant or eamonn or eight drug addict or basically there's something wrong with me, they can't help me with housing. there's something wrong with me, they can't help me with housinglj can they can't help me with housing.” can see why the council would tell you that. they have huge pressure on them. they have to deliver priorities and say, the priority is this. but it's wrong. we've really got to move the debate on. are you enjoying your visit? yeah, i am,

but, literally, i'm oblivious to... politics, and stuff, so that's why i don't have as much questions as kiara. politics affects lives. you had a housing issue, you're quite right, that a political decision. a medical decision to build council housing or not, political decision to regulate and rents or not, that's politics. politics matters. yeah, it does. more people need to be educated on it. i agree. i think we will agree on that. we agree on lots of things, i'm sure but on that, i absolutely get that. educate young people. the kids are the next generation. just as we were finishing withjeremy corbyn, a storm had started to brew of westminster. we are live in downing street where the prime minister is due to make a significant announcement in the next 15 minutes. one unconfirmed source tells the bbc, theresa may is poised

to announce a snap general election onjune 8th. i have just chaired a meeting of the cabinet, where we agreed that the government should call a general election to be held on the 8th ofjune. at this moment of enormous national significance, there should be unity here in westminster but instead there is division. the shock announcement was madejust an hour ago. britain will go to the polls in seven weeks. labour leaderjeremy corbyn has welcomed the move, saying it gives the british people the chance to vote for a government that will put the interests of the majority first. hello. my name's clive, clive lewis, i'm the labour mp for norwich south. nice to meet you. kiara. latifa, nice to meet you. i mean, it is history in the making, you are here from history with me as the general election, this is live breaking news. this is a big story because now, parliament will be dissolved at some point and the general election will begin to take place.

i hope you both voted and if you're not, you're going to be, because this is going to determine your lives, your futures, that of your children, your family and your community. it;s a very, very big vote and i think one of the reasons it is probably happening is, as you said, brexit. i think also many mps, myself included, i think we are keen to have a new mandate from our constituents because so much has happened since the last election, since the referendum was voted for, voted on, and the result. and taking us out of the eu, possibly not getting a trade deal, all of the things that come with that, these are massive constitutional changes in a way, constitutional level changes. a lot of people find it difficult to decide who to vote for and you said theresa may said she wasn't going to raise the general election and now she has. isn't that, like, can't people question her integrity because she said she wasn't

going to do something and now you're doing it? i think some people, yeah, some people will question theresa may's integrity, because she said she wouldn't call a general election but i haven't seen the statement she has made, but i imagine she is saying that so much has happened that she feels she has to. i say to the members opposite, if they do not respect the democratic will of the scottish people to remain in the eu, it will be the beginning of the end of this disunited kingdom. hannah bardell is one of westminster‘s newest mps. she joined the commons in 2015 along with 55 others from the scottish nationalist party. from the scottish national party. they are meeting in portcullis house, a modern annexe of the palace of westminster. so becoming a new mp, how was it like when you first came in, on yourfirst day and stuff like that? it was quite intimidating, quite emotional. what's it like, the first time you sit in the house of commons? i think everybody says, when they go in, it's a lot smaller in real life.

yeah. and i can remember the first prime minister's questions i sat in on, you don't feel that on television, you don't hear the noise, but the unbelievable wall of noise that comes at you from the opposition benches, just the volume was so huge. this place is designed to intimidate you and i think a lot of us just felt, no, we're not going to be intimidated, we're here to do a job, we're going to get on with it and we're going to do our best. i mean, obviously, you want to separate your country from ours, so do you have different issues, when you come into westminster? my party believes in independence for scotland, we believe that decisions about scotland and scottish people are best made by people in scotland. so if the snp are trying to become independent, is it essentially having your own prime minister as well? we have a first minister at the moment but yes, essentially. 0k. so, would you still have seats in westminster? 0k. so i'm working to put myself out of the job! right at the heart of this place

is the debate in the commons. it's where mps get to hold ministers to account. but today, debate is dominated by the election and leader of the commons david livingstone takes the helm. on wednesday the 19th of april, the house will be asked to approve a motion that allows my right honourable friend the prime minister to seek an early parliamentary general election under the fixed term parliaments act 2011. mr speaker, i'm also concerned the prime minister chose to make her statement outside number ten rather than come to the house. the leader of the house has given us an image of the prime minister being dragged kicking and screaming into calling a general election when she didn't want one. mr speaker, this is quite one of the most extraordinary u—turns in political history. it is absolutely right that the statement was first made to the british people, not to this house, because it is they who are being asked to use their sovereign powerto determine...

a lot of people were talking about the general election, did you follow that? a little bit, we figured out it was on the 8th ofjune. midnight on the 2nd of may, one minute past on the 2nd of may, one minute past on the 2nd of may, into the 3rd of may... that's when parliament will be dissolved. i wasn't too sure why this speaker speaks in that weird voice. yeah. when he calls up people's names. it made it hard to understand what he was saying. it was like, her name's kiara. it was like kiaraaa!! it was really weird. sometimes it was really deep and i was like, why? it just looks like a lot of infighting in amongst the people that are supposed to be running our country. the select committee is a place where mps and lords examine the work of government departments, take evidence and write reports.

today they are talking fashion and how brexit will effect this multi—billion pound industry. are you confident that london's in a robust place? conservative mp damian collins is the chair and caroline rush from the british fashion council is one of three experts giving evidence. we are seen as the global capital of europe if you like and it's very important for us as a country and an industry that we protect that position... ourjob is to hold the government to account but holding a particular government departments to account. so in our case, the department for culture, media and sport. we can run enquiries or hold hearings on any issue that is related to the work of that government department. what we try and do is look at the issues and decide as the group what we think is the right thing to do. we then produce reports, which get sent to the government and the government has to respond to the reports. so the three people who were sitting opposite you today, what role do they play? so they are witnesses who were

called to give evidence to us. today's hearing was an enquiry on the impact of brexit on the creative industries. and tourism as well. we have had sessions talking to the film industry, people in television, and today on that panel we were talking to people from the fashion industry. it's quite reassuring to know that you actually use outside evidence, notjust kind of assuming how it is and making decisions based on that. that's right and it's really important. now i understand that if they need to gather more information, they are talking to people who are directly being affected by these things, people who are in the fashion industry and getting a greater understanding of exactly what the issues are and how they consult those issues. which i assume they then take that information to go into the house of commons and argue there or to bring in legislation or bills and how to change things. how did the reality of today differ from your expectations? it was better than i thought it would be. it was much more eye—opening

than i thought it would be, and extremely informative. it was massively different than i expected it to be, i have come away now feeling i've got a good grasp of how politics works, but it is complex. you both found everything today very easy and comfortable and understandable except the commons, that's the bit you both still really struggled with, that debate. why was that? it's just really hard to follow, all the language and the traditions they use. it didn't really make much sense so it was hard to understand exactly what was going on. even though we've been here for a whole day, you can't really understand it in a whole day, you still need more. you said that by the end of the day you wanted to know who to vote for in the next general election. yeah. you didn't know that an election

would be called today! but you said you wanted to know by the end of the day who you would vote for in an election. do you now know who you would vote for? yes, i do know who i would vote for and i can say that being here today, i now can say that i will confidently vote for the first time in 26 years! i have a greater understanding of a machine app'sjob i have a greater understanding of a machine app's job entails. i have a greater understanding of a machine app'sjob entails. it doesn't sound much fun. i don't think they get much thanks for it. they must have to be passionate about what they're doing in order to wa nt about what they're doing in order to want to do that as a job. also i've learnt as well, it is a two—way street. it is notjust about the politician and what happens in parliament. it's what the public and the people do on their part as well. if we don't challenge them, they can't make changes on our behalf. so you feel empowered basically?” do, yes. christine on facebook says, "please

use your vote." helen says, "well done, hopefully more will see this film and become actively engaged in who makes the decisions affecting them." jane says, "please use your vote. so many countries around the world don't have this luxury. this is the only way we can put forward our views and change things. last year proved that when many went to vote in the referendum who had never voted before. " vote in the referendum who had never voted before." linda on facebook, "ivm voted before." linda on facebook, "i'm playing that many people who haven't voted before, will do so at this election. their votes could change things for our country. you have got six weeks to find out which party has the policies to make our country better." party has the policies to make our country better. " pete party has the policies to make our country better." pete says, "vote for who? give us someone that's worthy. corbyn is an idiot. the

tories are too elitist. ukip with nuttall is taking it the wrong way. i have to vote conservative because the rest will try to crush democracy." your views are very welcome. we'll be talking live to latifah atkinson and kiara stone plus three mps just after 10am. if you want to watch that film again you can find it on the bbc iplayer page. the next six weeks on this programme during the general election are — actually like every other week of the year — but even more so during the general election campaign — all about you and the things that matter to you as you go about your daily lives. if you have stories or issues that you feel aren't being reported, if you want to take part in tv discussions and have the chance to talk directly to politicians about their policies or maybe you think you might not vote because politicians "are all you think you might not vote because politicians "they are all the same so what's the point".

let me know and we'll see what we can do. e—mail victoria@bbc.co.uk with your contact details and ideas for stories and the things you want us to cover. still to come: teachers say it is notjust pupils they are getting abuse from, but pa rents they are getting abuse from, but parents too. for some, they are getting abuse from, but parents too. forsome, it they are getting abuse from, but parents too. for some, it means they are walking away from the profession. and the scandal of tainted blood that caused the deaths of hundreds of haemophiliacs. we've reported on this before, now there's a call foran inquiry. here's annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. good morning. labour has promised to increase pay for nhs staff and scrap tuition fees for student nurses if it wins the general election. the party says it will abolish the current cap for staff in england which limits pay increases to 1%. labour said the policies would help address staffing shortages in england that had become a "threat to patients".

surrey police have been strongly criticised for returning a collection of shotguns to a man who went on to kill his partner and her daughter. christine and lucy lee were shot by 82—year—old john lowe in 2014. a report by the independent police complaints commission has highlighted serious failings by the force and said the way firearms are licensed across the country needs to be improved. detectives investigating the disappearance of madeleine mccann say they are still pursuing what they describe as "critical leads" in the case. next week will mark ten years since the three—year—old disappeared while on holiday with her parents in portugal. officers have confirmed that four people considered as possible suspects in 2013 have been ruled out. a former health secretary has said a "criminal cover—up on an industrial scale" took place over the use of nhs contaminated blood products in the 1970s and 1980s. more than 2,000 deaths have been linked to the scandal in which haemophiliacs and others were infected with hepatitis c

and hiv from imported blood. speaking in the commons last night, andy burnham said the victims were treated like "guinea pigs". new research in the united states has found that cases of "stealthing" are on the rise. the term is used to describe when a man removes a condom during sex, despite agreeing to wear one. the study by alexandra brodsky said it was common practice amongst young sexually active people. but victims' charities have expressed concern and say it must be treated as rape. a husband has been charged with killing his wife after police said data from her wearable fitness tracker contradicted his version of events. richard dabate claimed to have seen his wife connie shot dead by intruders in the us state of connecticut more than an hour before her fitbit device recorded her last movements. da bate is currently on bail pending a trial. that's a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 10.00am.

thank you very much. a tweet from good on your last film. good on your last film. good says, "voters need to know how voting affects the country. not the workings of the commons where oldies shout at each other." we will talk to some youngies after 10am. here's some sport now with tim. chelsea beat southampton to move seven—points clear at the top of the premier league. diego costa scored twice in a 11—2 victory and captain gary cahill says it s a " but second places spurs are aiming to close the gap tonight. but it won't be easy. they're away to a crystal palace who've already beaten arsenal, liverpool and chelsea this month. maria sharapova is back playing tennis today after her 15 month suspension for doping.

the former wimbledon champion is a controversial wild card at the stuttgart open. ronnie o'sullivan spent a lot of time sitting down during his world snooker quarter—final against ding junhui, who took a 10—6 lead, but the rocket did come back with a century break in the last frame of the session. they resume at 2.30pm, and it'll be live on bbc two. tim, thank you. we know that some teachers have to deal with abusive, or even at times violent, pupils, but new research suggests that three in ten teachers have experienced abuse at the hands of pupils' parents. that's according to a survey of nearly 10,000 teachers led by bath spa university, which found a quarter of primary teachers and a fifth of secondary teachers experience some kind of incident at least once a month. abuse ranged from online messages to confrontation on school premises. we can speak to three teachers who have experienced abuse from parents. charlotte, not her real name, is a reception teacher at the start of her career.

that's teaching the youngest class in primary school. she was forced to take four months off work after experiencing harassment from a parent. she's asked to remain anonymous because she's worried about possible retaliation if she's identified. laura is a supply teacher. she's asked us to change her name, also because of possible retaliation. ian fenn is a headteacher at burnage academy for boys in manchester. also with us is drjermaine ravalier, senior lecturer in psychology at bath spa university, who conducted the research. welcome all of you. charlotte. let me begin with you. you experienced in your very first teaching job serial harassment and abuse from one parent. give our audience an insight into what was going on? well, it started off just like into what was going on? well, it started offjust like little things like every few days there would be something that was the matter with something that was the matter with something that was going on at school, her child was experiencing

and things like that and it built up over the months to daily, every morning, it would be first thing that i'd hear when i'd open up the school gates. there would be a huge big problem and it would amount from the smallest of things that maybe, it was a passing comment maybe to her child as a joke. you tend to do that with four—year—olds and it would cause a big catastrophe that would cause a big catastrophe that would take me between 15 minutes to the first 45 minutes just to sort it out. so far, not necessarily harassment though. not so far. inconvenient. yeah, it does start to affect like the children and the working day when that's the first 45 minutes of your working day that's been taken up and then it led to comments on social media being made. like what? like facebook statuses about potential things that the school had done that she didn't agree with, but instead of coming to

the school, it was just plastered all over facebook. and that was brought to our attention by numerous other parents who had taken a picture of it and sent it in. was it abusive or not? it was. it was directed at maybe like comments i'd made which, were not negative or anything particularly... you felt like you were being continually picked on? yes, it wasjust chipping away and then it got to a point where i would be having just a conversation with another parent at the end of the day and this particular parent would stand behind me and would loudly comment that she was waiting for me to talk to me about something very serious indeed. then it got to a point where she followed another member of staff out of the school and directly asked her questions about the classroom and the environment and me as a teacher

and the support staff. so taken in isolation, none of that is the end of the world, but the effect had an impact on you, professionally and personally. quickly describe that? so, it chipped away at me for four months. at the start of my career, i've put everything i can into this career and you get to a point where actually at the end of that first—term, you feel that there was nothing that you could do and nothing that you could do and nothing i could say that was ever good enough for this parent and it affected my health hugely. it started off with just general worrying about kind of doing the best and it turned quickly into anxiety, and the stress. there is a lot of pressures in the profession a nyway lot of pressures in the profession anyway on top of having a parent that you know starts off making comments and then kind of, puts it all on social media and you worry about other parents and what they would say and other staff members might say and think. thank you, charlotte. let me bring in ian fenn.

you say both verbal and physical abuse is a fact of life on an almost weekly basis. tell us the worst incident you've come across as a head? well, i mean, ithink in incident you've come across as a head? well, i mean, i think in many schools you will have situations where a parent will come on the premises. they will pose a risk to students because they're seeking some sort of confrontation with a child who might have had an argument with their child. this happened to me quite recently. i brought that person to the front of the school. i attended and this gentleman, who just come out of prison, was extremely threatening and abusive. fortunately, i had staff with me. we're trained to deescalate these situations and before the police came, clearly the gentleman, you

know, was gauging how long he could be abusive for. he disappeared. how long have you been in teaching? well, i have been teaching since 1978 and i have been the head of this school for 17 years. do you think this behaviour from this school for 17 years. do you think this behaviourfrom parents is getting worse and if you do, why? 0h, getting worse and if you do, why? oh, it is certainly getting worse. it tends to go in cycles and in my experience here, it is linked to the state of society. in 2001 when i first came here, until manchester there was significant gang problems, there was significant gang problems, the streets weren't as safe as they later became and that was reflected in relationships with parents and other relatives. notjust parents. it can be cousins, brothers, you know, a range of people. and it improved as society became more cohesive. the gangs were broken up and employment was better. then

after the crash and the cuts in the public services, there has been to me, a connected cause of between the kind of confrontation and abuse that we get from a small minority, but nevertheless frequent situation with parents and that relates with the way in which manchester generally seems to be less safe and less cohesive and with more problems. that's an interesting take on i suspect greater manchester police must challenge you on that. they are not he and i cannot speak for them. that is your view. i will ask you, jermaine about your research and his view, the headteacher, but it might somehow be linked to cuts in public services. job security, that sort of thing, that's his view.” services. job security, that sort of thing, that's his view. i think it's ha rd thing, that's his view. i think it's hard for me from the research i've done, to contribute it to the cuts

in the public services and that kind of thing, that is not what we looked at. we looked at other causes of stress amongst teachers, why does this happen? the headteacher may be right, it could be down to austerity and that kind of thing but that's not something we looked at, it is not something we looked at, it is not something we looked at, it is not something i can comment on. not something we looked at, it is not something i can comment onfi isa not something i can comment onfi is a wide scale problem. it is. we found about one third of teachers are exposed to these negative behaviours either online or school premises. what parents playing at? it is not all parents, it is a minority. it is not all parents, of course, but the ones who are doing it... of course. it is unacceptable. as we would all agree. nora, what's your view, you are in a supply teacher you experience different kind of schools, why is this more of a problem, why is this problem with pa rents a problem, why is this problem with parents growing when it comes to confrontation and abuse to teachers?

i think it's more so in primary than in secondary, i've taught in both. with primary, there is more access to the morning and afternoon. i think it's because there's no real policies of making appointments with the class teacher that is in force. it is like a free for all a lot of the time. i've had physical... someone physically push me aside. he was quite a big guy. so he could get into the classroom to get a worksheet. in most schools, the policy is that a parent cannot go unaccompanied into the classroom back into the school. physically, someone back into the school. physically, someone witnessed it, there was nothing i could do. i was left humiliated in front of the whole of the playground. you've got all the pa rents, the playground. you've got all the parents, all the children, so one. in some places, it can be very worrying —— so on. i was teaching andi worrying —— so on. i was teaching and i would get towards the end of the day and i would start worrying about the end of the day because then i would go out. that could be

an anxious time, going out to meet the parents and a lot of the time you don't know what you are meeting, what will happen, what they will come outwith. you are completely unprepared. it is that expectation thatis unprepared. it is that expectation that is anxious. at the end of the day i would wait ten minutes and then i would go to the toilet, where there were senior management. i would sit down and almost shake for 5-10 would sit down and almost shake for 5—10 minutes, hoping all the parents had left the whole building said they aren't looking for you. some people will be watching saying, brutal as it sounds, you might not be tough enough to be teachers. what would you say to that? there are times when something can be put in place and should be followed. these are the parents who know the rules, they don't follow them. they might be required to make an appointment and you know what it's about, you and you know what it's about, you and they can come prepared, there can be another person there, a headteacher or another member of teaching staff and you can have... civilised. what would you say, charlotte ? civilised. what would you say, charlotte? i would probably add on,

from my point of view, teachers are human beings too. most teachers, anyone who works with people, always going to be very empathetic people. you do care, especially, for me, i work with four and five—year—old children, i work with four and five—year—old children, lam work with four and five—year—old children, i am a caring person and i ta ke children, i am a caring person and i take myjob children, i am a caring person and i take my job extremely children, i am a caring person and i take myjob extremely seriously. at the end of the day, like laura said, there is a lot of access to teachers. i don't think it's ok. i had an incident where a parent came into my classroom and pointed at another child, who at this point, is four years old and declares, this child is bullying her four—year—olds. that was completely inappropriate. if that is dealt with in another matter, that would have been better. 0k. thank you very much, thank you for coming on the programme. have a good day. surrey police have been strongly criticised for returning a collection of shotguns to a man who went on to kill his partner and her daughter.

christine and lucy lee were shot by 82—year—old john lowe in 2014. a report by the independent police complaints commission has highlighted serious failings by the force and made recommendations to improve firearms licensing across the country. surrey says one officer has been sacked, and another has retired. lucy made this 999 calljust moments before she was killed and just a warning, you may find the audio distressing. if you don't want children to hear, now is the time to turn the volume down. this call lasts for aboutjust under 20 seconds. earlier i spoke to detective chief

co nsta ble earlier i spoke to detective chief constable gavin stevens from surrey police. he told us about his regret in not stopping john lowe. one police staff member was dismissed following a gross misconduct hearing. another police staff member retired before the investigation and report concluded. mike at the beginning of this, ito say that this is clearly a very tragic case and our thoughts remain with the family and friends of christine and lucy lee. you sacked one staff member, were they a police officer? no, the individuals involved in the decision in this case were police staff members. the independent police complaints commission of course would look at everybody involved in this case, without fear or favour. and reach involved in this case, without fear orfavour. and reach theirfindings independently. two to staff members we re independently. two to staff members were criticised by the independent report. you sacked one of them, one was allowed to retire, have you been

able to call back their pension at all? that is not clearly a decision for the force and normal employment rules apply. with any other profession. members. do you accept they managed to escape sanction by retiring? no. that's a matter for legislators, for parliament to decide, those rules. but what —— what is your opinion? did this staff member escape punishment effectively by retiring? in policing, become to work each day to save policing, become to work each day to save life and protect them from rubble. in this case, we clearly failed in that duty. —— protect the vulnerable. that causes deep regret to what has happened here. in march 2013, following concerns raise to us, we seized these shotguns and there was a three—month investigation, the end of which a decision was taken to return them. it was clearly the wrong decision. there wasn't a thorough risk

assessments done. the information gathered from medical practitioners and systems was thoroughly assessed and systems was thoroughly assessed and a wrong decision was taken at seven and a wrong decision was taken at seven months later it lets do this com pletely seven months later it lets do this completely horrific double murder. for whichjohn lowe completely horrific double murder. for which john lowe is completely horrific double murder. for whichjohn lowe is now serving life sentences and will no doubt die in prison. a risk assessment was not carried out beforejohn lowe had his firearms returned to him. are you saying you have now added that or was that in place but ignored? assess m e nts was that in place but ignored? assessments were carried out. they weren't a thorough enough and they led to the wrong conclusion. the national guidelines that were in place at the time, the home office guidelines from 2002, were not properly adhered to. stacey banna warned that the firearms should not be returned becausejohn lowe it is dangerous. she reported concerns to us. dangerous. she reported concerns to us. we seized those firearms that same day. there was a three—month investigation at the conclusion of which a wrong decision was taken. it is clear and it is described in the significant detail in the report. we

can't change that. we can't turn back the clock as much as we would like to. as i say, we come to work to save life and protect the vulnerable. we failed catastrophically in this occasion. it is important that we responsibly to that and i have described how we did that. it is important that a number of years on, as we are, now, with the ip cc report finally published, that we look again and re—examine our procedures and talk to colleagues nationally about practices and procedures in all firearms units to make sure that the lessons of this case, which is very rare and extremely tragic our land for everybody when these tough decisions are made. it might be several years decisions are made. it might be several yea rs on decisions are made. it might be several years on for you but i am sure it is not for the that many of christine and lucy lees. do you think your apology to the family and the fact that you have put in place better training is going to be any consolation to them? the tragedy of this case affects

them every day. they have to live with what has happened. i don't think there's anything that i could really say to them that will change their circumstances. but, of course, we have a wider duty in all of the cases that we deal with, to make sure that we respond to things. it is not just sure that we respond to things. it is notjust additional training. for example, we reviewed all of the decisions we made on firearms returned to the previous three years to this case. we've changed the levels of decision—making and authority. there is now a national practice that followed in 2014 and additional inspections have been done. i've talked in detail to our police and crime commission and there will be additional scrutiny on this particular area of policing. which can have very tragic consequences when incorrect decisions are taken. can you guarantee that surrey police won't give guns back to people who have said they will use them? we can

guarantee that every decision we face like this in future we will err on the side of caution and do proper assessments. sorry, which would suggest, to be absolutely clear, which would suggest you are not going to give guns back to people who said they will use them, is that what you are saying? absolutely. at the end of that investigation that we conduct into these matters, in this case it is clear that it should not have been returned. we should not have been returned. we should not do that in future. these are decisions made by human beings that we re decisions made by human beings that were assessing often complex and sometimes conflicting information. but at the end of that, we should err on the side of caution. on the ballots are probably too, if we think we should not return them, we should not return them. particularly if someone says they are going to use them. of course. so why did it happen in this case? because a wrong decision was made. the details, as i have described, very thoroughly, the independent police complaints

commission report. the information was incorrectly assessed, there will not enough enquirer is done in order to reach the right decision. if, for a moment, those involved in this decision thought that two people would lose their lives over this, clearly, they would not have done it. of course. of course. my goodness. we can't foresee, seven months into the future, when we make these decisions. you can't, no one is expecting you to read the future. absolutely. but what can absolutely be expected is that risk assessments that are done are thorough and take into consideration all available information. and they are checked and double checked. that didn't happen in this case. that is a matter of deep, deep regret. and, of course, has led to significant pain and suffering and loss for many people. gavin stevens from surrey police. if you are watching on bbc two,

coverage of the snooker. to continue watching our programme turn over to the bbc news channel — where coming up in the next half hour. how do you get people caring about politics? we took two women who have very little interest in politics to spend a day in parliament. they tell us how they got on. as tensions continue to rise between the us and north korea — we bring together a supporter of the north korean regime and someone who is against it. the tax authorities in britain have arrested several men working within football for a suspected tax and national insurance fraud. the latest news and sport at 10am, let's bring you the weather. it has been a cold start of the day before many of us, it has also been a beautiful one. we have seen some sunshine. this is a weather watcher‘s picture from wales. other parts of the uk has seen this

sunshine as well. some showers across the north and also the east. some of those through the day will be heavy and thundery, some with hail mixed in. cloud arriving across west of scotland and northern ireland will bring some showery outbreaks of rain, more persistent in the northern isles as it sinks south overnight. it will turn weaker in nature and definitely more showery. it will be cold enough for some frost in the countryside. and some frost in the countryside. and some patchy fog. we will start off with some sunshine tomorrow morning. our band of cloud continues to sink south with showery outbreaks of rain. some brighter skies behind. some showers moving across western scotla nd some showers moving across western scotland and northern england. eventually into northern ireland. it will not feel as cold tomorrow as today. our temperature range from 8-12. hello. it's wednesday.

it's10am. i'm victoria derbyshire. who cares about the general election? not all of us. it's six weeks away and voter apathy remains high. we took two people to parliament to speak to politicians. could it convince them to vote this time? a lot of lives people live is not the lives politicians life. they are the lives politicians life. they are the ones making the decisions.” think if they had to live a year on an average person's wage i'm not sure they would be able to manage that. we'll put that, and several other questions to a group of mps in the studio shortly. are north korea and the us playing a terrifying game of chicken? and how dangerous is it for the rest of us? we're talking to a north korean defector and a supporter of the pyongyang regime. the puppy farm murders — surrey police have been criticised for returning a collection of shotguns to a man who went on to kill his partner and her daughter. good morning.

here's annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. labour has promised to increase pay for nhs staff and scrap tuition fees for student nurses if it wins the general election. the party says it will abolish the current cap for staff in england which limits pay increases to 1%. labour said the policies would help address staffing shortages in england that had become a "threat to patients". surrey police have been strongly criticised for returning a collection of shotguns to a man who went on to kill his partner and her daughter. christine and lucy lee were shot by 82—year—old john lowe in 2014. a report by the independent police complaints commission has highlighted serious failings by the force and said the way firearms are licensed across the country needs to be improved. detectives investigating the disappearance of madeleine mccann say they are still pursuing what they describe as "critical leads" in the case. next week will mark ten years since the three—year—old disappeared while on holiday with her parents in portugal. officers have confirmed that four

people considered as possible suspects in 2013 have been ruled out. a former health secretary has said a "criminal cover—up on an industrial scale" took place over the use of nhs contaminated blood products in the 1970s and 1980s. more than 2,000 deaths have been linked to the scandal in which haemophiliacs and others were infected with hepatitis c and hiv from imported blood. speaking in the commons last night, andy burnham said the victims were treated like "guinea pigs". new research in the us has found that cases new research has found that copying your boss into emails can make everyone else in the office distrust you. the study undertaken by cambridge university found that while it could seem like a way to increase transparency, the "cc effect" fed a culture of fear amongst colleagues and many employees saw it as a potentially threatening move. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30am. more information on this hmrc

information into tax fraud within sport. our sports editor say that 50 tax officials raided west ham's stadium. they remain on site. documents have been seized. hmrc officials have been at west ham's ground from 8am this morning. they are still there. documents have been seized. more details to come. as soon as we seized. more details to come. as soon as we get them, we'll bring them to you. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. now some sport. chelsea are seven points clear again at the top of the premier league, thanks to a 4—2 win over southampton at stamford bridge last night. captain gary cahill was back in the starting line—up after illness and he gave his side a 2—1 lead right at the end of the first—half. diego costa hadn't scored in seven games for chelsea, but got two last night to make

sure of the victory. you must be ready for this mental effort also, not only a physical effort, but also a mental effort, but yeah, it is not easy but we are fighting and we are ready to fight from now until the end. tottenham are chelsea's nearest rivals and will try to narrow the seven point gap tonight. they travel to selhurst park to play a crystal palace side who have already beaten arsenal, liverpool, and chelsea this month and spurs will need to bounce back from losing to chelsea in the fa cup semi—finals on saturday. when you are competing at that level. it is so difficult. there is no time to regret. there is to time to complain. you have to be ready

and to look at the game we have and to try and give your best. world number one andy murray is in action at the barcelona open today where he takes on bernard tomic. maria sharapova makes her return to tennis, following a 15 month suspension for doping. the former wimbledon champion is a wild card at the stuttgart open and that doesn't sit well with her opponent, italy's roberta vinci. she said, of course, a great player andi she said, of course, a great player and i have nothing against her, but she paid for her mistakes, but she paid and! she paid for her mistakes, but she paid and i think she can return to play, but without any wild card. play is getting under way at the world snooker championship. ronnie o'sullivan has spent a lot of time sitting down,

during his world snooker quarter—final against ding junhui. o'sullivan won the last, but trails 10-6. the o'sullivan won the last, but trails 10—6. the first to 13 frames wins, remember. they resume at 2.30pm and it's remember. they resume at 2.30pm and its live on bbc two. that's it for now, victoria. so with a general election in six weeks time you're going to be hearing quite a bit about politics. new research out today suggests that most of us aren't all that engaged in politics. just a third of us are satisfied with the system we have for governing the country and the vast majority think we have no influence in decision—making. so we took two people who are not really bothered by politics, don't think it represents them, and between them have only voted once to spend a day in parliament. we played the full film earlier. here's a short extract. i feel that politicians make decisions for people they don't know anything about,

because a lot of the lives people live are nothing like the lives politicians live. here you are literally in a bear pit. it was quite intimidating. emotional. massively different than i expected it to be. i've come away feeling like i've got a good grasp of how politics works.” feeling like i've got a good grasp of how politics works. i would confidently vote for the first time in 27 years. the majority of those that we met today would seem they

are for the people, but i think people don't appreciate how much they actually have to do. mike cowan reporting. let's talk to kiara stone and latifah atkinson who you just saw in that film, labour mp dawn butler, who is also latifah's constinuency mp in brent, she's also a former minister for youth engagement, conservative mp for bristol north west charlotte leslie, and tasmina ahmed sheik snp, mp for ochil and perthshire. welcome all of you. the main issue for you was you thought politicians lived totally different lives to you, and therefore, how could they represent you? do you feel differently or do you still not know the answer to that? i feel that, obviously, they still do live different lives, but i appreciate what they do much more now seeing first hand what they're doing and how thejob, first hand what they're doing and how the job, speaking to first hand what they're doing and how thejob, speaking to dawn, and knowing what goes into their day—to—day life as an mp. knowing what goes into their day-to-day life as an mp. so you have a better understanding of their

jobs. again, knowing more now, do you think, oh yeah, these are people that can represent me and do know the kind of life i lead? yeah, i think it was really interesting, when in the house of commons watching the mps discussing what their constituents had come to them for help with, so that was really interesting. that made me realise yes, they are representing the people and they are taking these issues forward and talking about them in the house of commons. and they do work hard which... breaking news! mps very do work hard! laughter charlotte, the proportion of people feeling they have influence over national decision making is on the rise. the bad news, it has risen to 16%. that's not good, is it? it's not good and we have a lot more work to do. i think people look at westminster and the commons and see it as very different and out—of—touch and it is a constant mission as an mp to keep yourself in

touch, but the fact that we have constituents... is it hard it keep in touch? you go into this extraordinary place that's like hogwarts. people start talking you mam and you sit—in green chairs. hogwarts. people start talking you mam and you sit-in green chairs. you have to meet constituents every week in your surgery. that's the most important bitment if you stay in westminster the whole time, it is ha rd westminster the whole time, it is hard to keep it real. you come back home to the constituency, and you get such a privileged access to talk to people, make friends from constituents and see parts of, you know, your own community, you probably wouldn't see, that's, i call my constituency me reality, library, if you really want to find out what's going on in the world, talk to people in your constituency and going to the pub helps. you go to the pub with your constituents?” do, yes. do you pay? i can't buy a drink during the election campaign because it's called bribery so happy days! dawn, you are a constituency mp. i suspect there are a number of

people who just think that politics is not for them. how do you engage people? well, i have a programme of engaging specifically with young people so i ensure i go to schools andi people so i ensure i go to schools and i conduct assemblies and i invite all the schools to parliament so invite all the schools to parliament so they can come and do a tour and i meet them afterwards and they can come and do a q and a with me. do you think you know about the lives they lead? yeah, of course. i live they lead? yeah, of course. i live the lives that they live. i live into my constituency, by i hold surgeries, i have an office based on the high street so people get to pop in. whenever there is a change in universal credits for instance, i see my mailbag starting getting bigger in a particular area. so, you get to see every day what comes into yourinbox get to see every day what comes into your inbox and what comes into your mailbag. do you think that this short run—up to the general election, for some people, six weeks

is still too long, but compared to 2015, for example, it is a very short run—up. that's going to have an impact on people engaging? well, first of all, it will have an impact on those who are registered to vote. there has to be a long enough run in for people to be involved in the process and feel their vote is worth it and unfortunately, we've got a short run in to get people to register to vote and that's a problem and i think it's a shame that we're in this situation. then we have to talk about how we continue to engage those who are registered to vote. in the independence referendum in 2014, giving the vote to 16 and 17—year—olds was hugely advantageous... was there 10096 turn—out? advantageous... was there 10096 turn-out? we had 9096 registered to vote and turn—out was good. how do we engage people in politics? yes, we engage people in politics? yes, we get to see their constituents which is a great privilege to be able to help people, but that's not everybody. not everybody comes to see us everybody. not everybody comes to see us and not everybody comes to

see us and not everybody comes to see us see us and not everybody comes to see us in parliament and not everybody reads newspapers. that's why in this election, when we have got a short run in, leaders debates are hugely important, you know, if you believe in the prospectus you are awe putting to the people, you should stand beside that prospectus and allow people become engaged in that debate. if it is one thing people see is a leaders debate. do you want to see leaders debates involving the main party leaders? did you watch it in 2015? no. no. i was disengaged with politics. you didn't watch any of the leaders debates? no. any of the question times? no. theresa may called an election at very short notice and so she should put her policies to the people so they can hear and so it can be debated. prime minister's questions is not a political debate. it's a half an hour of theatre every wednesday. 0k. wednesday. ok. i'm going to play for our

audience, they may have seen it on social media, something you did recently and i want to ask you if you think this is a way of bring interesting more people in politics and being a bit more inclusive. let's look at this. # i stood there nothing # i stood there nothing #soi # i stood there nothing # so i felt that everything # so i felt that everything # you held me down but i got up # you held me down but i got up # already brushing off the dust # is that a way of getting more people involved? in 2003a in 2003 a labour government recognised british sign language but it hasn't got full status. i am

running this campaign to get british sign language to the next step that it isa sign language to the next step that it is a way of breaking down barriers and it is breaking down another set of barriers. one in six people have hearing difficulties. there's a whole group of people that need to be engaged. if signing helps, that's fantastic. we have to leave it there. thank you very much. thanks for going to parliament. the next six weeks are all about it. if you have stories that aren't being reported, the worst to take part in tv discussions like we have today at talk directly to politicians about their policies, do get in touch. you can e—mail me. more on the news that surrey police have been severely criticised for its decision to return firearms to a man who went on to shoot dead his partner and her daughter. john lowe

murdered christine and lucy lee at a puppy murdered christine and lucy lee at a puppy farm murdered christine and lucy lee at a puppyfarm in murdered christine and lucy lee at a puppy farm in 2014 shortly after police returned his guns. despite mrs lee's other daughter said he had threatened her with them. she was later arrested. something the independent police complaints commission says should not have happened. three police officers and two staff have cases to answer. we need to take into account all available information, they are checked and double checked. that didn't happen and that is a matter of deep regret. it has led to significant pain and suffering and loss for many people. not least stacey banner the sister

of lucy lee. good morning to you, thank you for talking to us. i gather you watch the interview and what would you like to say about it? there are still a lot of questions that need answering. i want to know what rafferty knows when my sister made the 999 call. he's quite strong in saying we are going to make changes. and this won't happen again. it's happened. i can't change that. you told the police seven months before the guns were returned that they shouldn't. what did you say to them? i told the police had dangerous he was. i told the police

that he would kill and he did. he killed my mum and my sister. ultimately, i have no otherfamily other than my husband and my children. when he is saying with all the family that are... you know... concerned in terms of... i am the only family. of my mum and sister. no mother, i have no system now, thanks to surrey police. they knew he had criminal associates, then knew how dangerous he was but they took no notice of me. why do you think that was? there is another report that is due to come out and ultimately a lot more questions will be answered in that. when that happens, i feel i might

get some answers. you know, realistically, surrey police have tortured me. they've made my life absolute hell. they arrested me. you know, they held me in a cell for 22 hours. when i was choosing coffins for my mum and sister. they have been on a hate campaign, a smear campaign, to blacken my name. because, obviously, i know the truth. the truth is, they were fully aware of whatjohn lowe was capable of. they knew for years. can i ask you what threats he'd made to you, previously, john lowe. yeah. he threatened to shoot me. growing up he was an incredibly

dangerous man. you know, there were numerous threats. to me. what do you intend to do now, stacy banner? to do now, stacy i threats. to me. what do you intend to do now, stacy i intend to get justice. it means that every police officer involved in this is to face justice. the firearms officers, for example, i can't change what has happened there. ultimately, you said quite a valid point in terms of, do they still get their pensions? well, of course they do. the guy that retired, you know, ultimately, he's happy. he's going to have a great life. i'm living in a rented house, still fighting for justice. the fact of the matter is...i justice. the fact of the matter is... i have to keep going with

this. because they knew how dangerous he was. so you're going to sue surrey police? yes. because you wa nt sue surrey police? yes. because you want further sanctions for those you say were involved? or because you wa nt say were involved? or because you want compensation? well, obviously, there's no amount of money that can make this better. there isn't a price for my mum and sister. there is no price for my mum and my sister to be here. i saw them in the morgue. there is no price for what i've had to go through in terms of surrey police. if there is, i would like someone to name it. how do you try to deal with the loss of your mum and sister at the hands of your mum and sister at the hands of your mum and sister at the hands of your stepfather? it doesn't ever go away. this doesn't go away. this doesn't get

better, this doesn't get easier. realistically, the worst pain is that i've had to... i've read that report months ago. when i read it, there was no shock, there was no surprise, because everything that was in it is true. it's incredibly scary that anyone would hand him as much as a catapult, let alone guns. when you hear surrey police and regenerate their apology to you... they have never... i need to emphasise this point, surrey police have never ever apologised to me. really? never apologised to me. ever. they've apologised to the family that i haven't seen for 26 yea rs. family that i haven't seen for 26 years. they have never apologised to me. or my children. or my husband.

they didn't apologise to me when they were putting me in a cell for 22 hours. when i couldn't eat or drink. they've never apologised... it infuriates me that he is saying, "we apologise to the family". what exactly a re "we apologise to the family". what exactly are you apologising for? are you apologising for the fact that you apologising for the fact that you handed back a psychopath, a known psychopath, guns? orare you handed back a psychopath, a known psychopath, guns? or are you actually apologising for what hell and torture you have put me through? what are they apologising for? because sorry is a great word but i've seen absolutely no truth at all from surrey police. stacy, thank you for talking to us this morning. stacy banner, the sister of lucy

lee, the daughter of christine lee, both of whom were murdered by her stepfather, john lowe several months after police gave his collection of shotguns back to him. stacy banner telling us exclusively she is going to sue surrey police. still to come, a report by politicians in scotland says children may be at risk, because the system designed to prevent abuse in football is not working properly. that is before 11am. we'll bring you the story. the american military has begun installing parts of an advanced missile defence system at a site in south korea. tension is high over north korea's missile and nuclear programmes. hundreds of local residents protested, as a convoy of vehicles carried equipment to a former golf course. we can talk now to two people with very different views on north korea. dermot hudson is the chairman of the uk—korean friendship association,

the biggest community of north korea supporters in the uk. hello. and lord david alton, is the chairman of the all—party parliamentary group on north korea and a campaigner on human rights. good morning to you. dermot, north korea is run by an erratic dictator, when he gets angry, he has members of his own family killed and puts many of his own people in prison camps, labourcamps for many of his own people in prison camps, labour camps for cells. he makes sure his keyboard are kept hungry. do you disagree? total rubbish. -- he makes sure his people are kept hungry. i wasjust back from the dprk. i wasjust are kept hungry. i wasjust back from the dprk. i was just there. are kept hungry. i wasjust back from the dprk. i wasjust there. i came back on sunday morning. i spent two weeks in the dprk. i visited it 13 times. it is absolute rubbish. some of the reports about executions have been proved to be untrue. for example, it was said that general ri

yong—gil, the chief of staff was executed but he later turned up. he has just been promoted again. executed but he later turned up. he hasjust been promoted again. was it not true that he puts his own people inside labour camps? no. it's not true? i've never seen one. so they don't exist because you haven't seen one in one of your 13 visits? ! it is claimed by south korea, it is claimed by the west. it is claimed by the person to the left of me that there are huge labour camps, as big as towns. surely, i would have seen one by now. because, i mean, in london... does that sound sensible to you? no. surely dermot would have seen one,

he's been there 13 times. he has been escorted, he would have seen what they would allow him to see. one of the reasons he won't appear ona one of the reasons he won't appear on a programme with someone who has escaped from north korea is because some of them have escaped from these camps that he says are a figment of the imagination. it doesn't matter what he or i think, the united nations commissioned an enquiry three years ago headed up by mr justice kirby published a report that set up to 200,000 people are in these imaginary camps. he said it is a state without parallel anywhere in the world, that every one of the study article of the universal declaration of human rights are being violated in that country. 2 million people starved to death in the 1990s while it spends one quart of its gross domestic product on military weapons and armaments. it is now trying to blackmail and bully the rest of the world by the development of nuclear capability. this is a state without parallel. it is outrageous, it beggars belief to me that anybody would be here

apologising or trying to speak up for that regime. i mean, again, this is all... full of... falsehood. members of the united nations are making it up, are they? lying? they are acting on behalf of the us. george kirby is a man with strong us connections. what would be the motivation for making all that up? —— judge kirby. to demonise the dprk, to turn the west against it. when you hear it from defectors, what do you think, they are making it up as well? yes. i have chaired hearings in the house of lords which has been addressed by escapees. they would leave you in tears, when you are about the things that has happened to them. a catalogue of executions, torture, rape. massive violations of human rights occur in north korea. it must change. anyone who loves the people of north korea would be working for change. instead, we are on the brink of a war. the sarajevo moment, if it were

to occur, the law unintended consequences, we to occur, the law unintended consequences, we could see another one the korean peninsular. last time, 3 million people died on a war in the korean peninsula including 1000 british servicemen. more than in the falklands, afghanistan and iraq combined. that is the danger the world faces at the moment. as churchill said, we need less war and more george 0rr. it is good china is playing that role, trying to bring about reform. it is good the bbc are helping to break the information blockade around north korea by instigating bbc world broadcast services to the country. it is why we must press at the united nations security council during meetings this week for the north korean regime to be brought before the international criminal court, so that these allegations can be tested. including the use of toxic nerve agents to kill people who are opponents of reform inside north korea. in international airports. forgive me, you snorted at the term

toxic nerve agents. you don't believe that either? at a nonsense. they wouldn't be able to use the airport for years and years. can i go on record here briefly. i don't appear on programmes with defectors because of the risk toe personal safety. a lot of these people are criminals. they are dangerous. listen, a young man came to see me who had escaped twice from north korea and who was tortured in north korea and who was tortured in north korea and who was tortured in north korea and he is the first person to have gone through a british university and achieved a degree in this country. you can't sit with someone like that and listen to their personal story and what about their personal story and what about the woman who came and addressed us in parliament? it is like the defensive stalin in the 1930s...” knew quite well one defector, the

one who was at the embassy in london. this is the number two in the embassy in london. he wasn't a defector. yeah, he was a number two the embassy and he turned the spotlight on north korea by telling it as it isment this is like the 1930s and the defence of stalin by the communists by the whole of the we st the communists by the whole of the west and we're going through the same nonsense all over again. we must tell the truth of what is happening in north korea and do something about it. thank you. labour has promised to increase pay for nhs staff and scrap tuition fees for student nurses if it wins the general election. for student nurses and midwives — that's what the labour party is promising, if it wins the general election. several men from the professional football industry have been arrested

over suspected income tax and national insurance fraud. the bbc understands hmrc officials raided west ham's offices at the london stadium this morning and seized documents. officers have also been deployed in the north east of england and france. surrey police have been strongly criticised for returning a collection of shotguns to a man who went on to kill his partner and her daughter. christine and lucy lee were shot by 82—year—old john lowe in 2014. a report by the independent police complaints commission has highlighted serious failings by the force and said the way firearms are licensed across the country needs to be improved. we have been told by the daughter of chris teen lee that she will be suing surrey police. detectives investigating the disappearance of madeleine mccann say they are still pursuing what they describe as "critical leads" in the case. next week will mark ten years since the three—year—old disappeared while on holiday with her parents in portugal. officers have confirmed that four people considered as possible suspects in 2013 have been ruled out. that's a summary of the latest news.

here's some sport now with tim. sunderland manager david moyes has been charged by the fa after telling bbc reporter vicki sparks she might "get a slap". he was caught on camera making the remarks following his team's draw against burnley last month, and has until 3rd may to respond to the charge. chelsea beat southampton last night to move seven points clear at the top of the premier league. diego costa scored twice in a 4—2 victory and captain gary cahill says it's a "m maria sharapova is back playing tennis today, after her 15 month suspension for doping. the former wimbledon champion is a controversial wild card at the stuttgart grand prix. ronnie o'sullivan is in real trouble at the world snooker championship. he won the last frame against china's ding junhui but trails 10—6 in their quarter—final. the match resumes at 2.30pm, live on bbc two. i'll have more sport

on the news channel throughout the day, victoria. thank you very much. hopefully you will be wearing a suit because for some reason you have to change! the uk tax authorities have announced the arrest of several men working within the professional football industry for suspected income tax and national insurance fraud. our sports news correspondent richard conwayjoins me now. big developments this morning, victoria. there have been raids by her majesty's revenues and customs officers at newcastle united stadium and at the london stadium which is the home now of west ham united. 180 officers deployed in total we're told. several arrests have been made. there have been business records and financial records and computers and mobile phones have been seized, that's what the hmrc confirmed to us in addition to that, authorities in france are said to be assisting hmrc in this investigation. there have been

locations searched there as well. there seems to be a major investigation in total and it all started this morning. again, you may not know this, do we know if it is players that's been targeted, managers, if it's chairmen, agents? we don't know the details. hmrc are keeping their cards close to their chest. they say this criminal investigation sends a message whoever you are, if you commit tax fraud you can expect to face the consequences. they say it is an on going investigation and they can't provide more detail at this time, but we know that football is a complex and international business. there has been a lot of player tra nsfers there has been a lot of player transfers between english clubs and french clubs in recent years. we don't know the exact detail, but we will have to await that detail, but this looks like it is a major investigation given the number of officers involved, premises raided and arrests made. thank you very much. richard conway, our sports news

correspondent. more on bbc news. the scottish football association is "asleep on the job" over child protection in sport, a new report by msps claims. the scottish parliament's health and sport committee found that children may yet be at risk because the system designed to prevent abuse in sport is not working properly. joining us now from outside the scottish parliament is neil findlay, who is the labour msp for lothian and is the committee's convener, the person in charge of the report. tell our audience what you have discovered? good morning, victoria. the committee was not investigating the historic abuse of children. what we we re the historic abuse of children. what we were looking at was the protecting vulnerable groups scheme that operates here in scotland and whether that was robust enough to do all it could to protect children who are involved in sporting activity. that's what the committee was

looking at. we've come to the conclusion that we are not confident that that scheme is operating in such a way that it provides the maximum protection. what's going wrong then? well, there is a variation in the way in which the scheme is applied. it can mean that some people are working with children without having fully been through this scheme and the scheme is not mandatory and we think the scheme should be mandatory and there are changes that should be made to the pvg scheme that would try to ensure that children are protected as much as they possibly can. right, 0k. as much as they possibly can. right, ok. so, because it's an optional scheme you don't know who is working with young children in sport, really? that's a part of it, but another issue is that some sports bodies allow adults to do some work with children prior to the pvg

process being complete. now, that's supposed to be supervised work. they're not supposed to be left alone with children, but there is a clear variation in how that is applied and we're not confident that the scheme is operating to the maximum and has the maximum protection. ok, so what needs to change then for it to have the maximum protection? what does that involve ? maximum protection? what does that involve? the government has agreed, the scottish government agreed to review the scheme, but that review won't report for a year. therefore, we think that action needs to be taken now and we think that within the way in which the scheme operates there are some changes that could be made now and we think the government should look at the operation of the scheme in that interim period, but there is responsibilities on sports governing bodies because they award gra nts to governing bodies because they award grants to sports scotland awards gra nts to grants to sports scotland awards grants to sports scotland awards grants to sports governing bodies who then award money on to clubs and

organisations. as part of the deal between sport scotland and the sports governing bodies we think they should be making high demands of those governing bodies to comply with the pvg scheme in a mandatory way, but also ensure that they have the maximum policies in place for child protection. you pointed out, you say that the scottish youth football association has misled government officials and your committee in relation to the levels of backlog being experienced when it comes to checking on coaches and officials working with young footballers. how have they misled you? well, we had to recall both the scottish football association and the youth football association to committee to give evidence because the evidence that we received on the backlog was inconsistent, the numbers they provided to the committee and to government and then repeatedly provided, repeated again when they came back to the committee

we re when they came back to the committee were frankly all over the place. where they deliberately trying to mislead you or was it human error, what do you think? i cannot tell that. but the numbers were inconsistent and we felt that they were, the committee was misled. right, so were they saying the backlog wasn't as bad as it is? well, the numbers were inconsistent. so some numbers were given saying that there was a large backlog. the bbc did some very good work on this issue and investigating coaches in football who were not completely pvg cleared and then the numbers changed as we went through the process and they were inconsistent. however, we have criticism of the scottish football association because they are the parent body of they are an affiliated organisation the sfya and the sfa appeared to have, as the committee report, says to have been asleep on at the wheel on such an

important issue. thank you very much for talking to us. that's the member of the scottish parliament for lothian and he is the committee's chairman or convenor. nhs staff will get higher pay and there will be no tuition fees for student nurses and midwives, that's what the labour party is promising, if it wins the general election. it says the policies would help address staffing shortages in england that had become a "threat to patients". our political guru, norman smith is at westminster. fill us in norman. hi, vic, what do you do if you're having a sticky election? you try and change the agenda. you move it on which is what labour are hoping to do today, to get it off brexit and questions about mr corbyn's leadership to much more favourable terrain, the nhs which labour think mrs may is vulnerable. we have had pressures on a&e and waiting times going in the wrong direction and the junior doctors strike. let's take a look at

it. top priority is a pay rise for eve ryo ne it. top priority is a pay rise for everyone who works in the nhs because the pay is capped at the moment at 1%. that cap is going to stay until 2020. labour are saying there should be a pay rise to match there should be a pay rise to match the course of living. that would mean pay increases of 2.5%, 3%. point number two, they are talking about increasing staffing levels. they're suggesting that there should bea they're suggesting that there should be a rerue view of what is a safe —— review of what is a safe staffing level to have on wards and hospitals would be obliged to make sure the right number of nurses and others we re right number of nurses and others were on the wards. that too, of course, would cost money. and the last thing they're talking about is bringing back bursaries for student nurses which were scrapped by the conservatives and we have seen in the past year something like a 25% drop in the number of students applying to become nurses. labour say they would reverse that. that is going to cost quite a bit of money. labour say they can find the

billions that would be needed for all that from reversing solicitor of the conservatives changes to corp —— some of the changes to corporation tax as wealth taxes and the shadow health secretary, john ashworth said it is not about money. the money is there, it is about mrs may's ideology. have a listen. let's be absolutely clear, when you can find billions for corporation tax cuts, you can find a billion for inheritance tax cuts, when you can find millions for new grammar schools and other pet projects, when it comes to the nhs, what prevents this prime minister from acting? it's not the financial constraints of the economy, but the dogmatic constraints of her ideology. what dot conservatives say? they say the sums don't add up. the money from corporation tax and inheritance tax and reversing the bank levy changes, that's been spent by labour, who have spent the money on plans to nationalise the railways,

to provide support for british steel, to reverse various benefit changes. the sums don't add up. say the tories. this was the health secretary up—to—date this morning. the fact is that we all want to give more money to nurses and doctors on the front—line, who do a brilliant job. but how are you going to get more money into the nhs to do that? whoever is prime minister of this country after the election will be lined up against 27 other european countries who may not have britain's best interests at heart. getting the best brexit deal to support the british economy, britishjobs, will mean more money for the nhs and the choice people have is, do they want a strong theresa may to do that job orjeremy corbyn, propped up by a ragtag of other political parties? so, the health service is obviously going to be one of the big election stories and the other one is about tactical voting. we have had jean miller, the woman who forced the government by going to court —— gina

millar. she got the vote to parliament. she studied a tactical voting campaign and has raised something like £300,000 from crowdfunding. —— she's started a tactical voting campaign. to provide cash for those candidate she says who will stand up to hard brexit and will look at all the different options when it comes to brexit. but she said she is still getting an awful lot of grief for her stance on social media for her stance and elsewhere. the abuse hasn't died down and i have ended up on a platform where several people have tried to destroy me in every way. my reputation, my safety, whatever. but at the same time, i have a huge sense of responsibility. gena miller only one of a number of different people in groups trying to encourage tactical voting in this election on the issue of brexit. —— gina miller. a good deal of scepticism about how much impact

that will actually have. at the end of the day, do people listen to those urging them to vote tactically? or two people make up their own minds? there is a sense that maybe it won't have that much impact despite the intervention of people like gina miller. thank you. next, we're going to talk about "stealthing". i'll explain what it is in just a second, but the nature of our conversation means inevitably we're going to go into some detail, so you may not want children to listen to the next few minutes. so what is "stealthing"? it's the deliberate and non—consensual removal of a condom during sex. it's notjust distressing for someone who'd only consented to sex if protection was used, it's potentially rape. it's been trending on social media, after one woman's research into the subject made headlines. and we can talk to her now. alexandra brodsky has spoken to many people who have been "stealthed" in the united states. if that is the verb. for her research.

sandra paul is a solicitor who specialises in sexual offences, and miriam, who is a teacher in oslo, norway, she only wishes to use herfirst name — she's waived her right to anonymity to speak to us today. we are very grateful for your time, miriam thank you for talking to us. you were stealthed in 2014, tell us what happened. the thing is with stealthing, it starts like every other ordinary night. you go out with friends, you maybe go dancing and in my case i had meta with friends, you maybe go dancing and in my case i had met a guy who seemed very nice. we danced and we talked and exchanged phone numbers. we decided to go home together. on the way home, we walked by some corner shops. i asked the way home, we walked by some corner shops. iasked him if! should stop and buy condoms, because, safety. he said he had plenty at home so it wasn't

necessary for me to buy some. then i'd proceeded as it usually does. —— then the night proceeded. it seems like a regular sexual encounter until the middle i noticed he wasn't wearing a condom so i told him to stop. again, iwas wearing a condom so i told him to stop. again, i was concerned for safety. being that he was stronger than me, he forced the issue. it is very different from regular sex. you think you can send to something and suddenly the terms of the sexual encounter changes. what you have just described, to me, is very clearly rape. you told him to stop and he continued. yes. let me bring in alexandra. thank you for being so honest and open about that because that's really important. alexandra, was that stealthing or rape that miriam just described ? was that stealthing or rape that miriam just described? it sounds like it has aspects of both. miriam,

thank you for sharing your story and i agree that it is both a problem that he wasn't honest about his condom use but also if someone says that they want to stop sex for any reason, their partner has to respect that. tell us more about the kind of women you have spoken to who have experienced this. sure. i've spoken toa numberof experienced this. sure. i've spoken to a number of people in the course of my research and i've also heard from many more, both men and women, since the article came out. everyone has different experiences. people react differently to nonconsensual condom removal. one thing i kept hearing is that in addition to a fear of sexually transmitted infections or pregnancy, victims all felt that their partner had really betrayed their trust, had really denied their choice and their will and their autonomy. in that way, it's important that we see nonconsensual condom removal as of a

kind as other forms of gender based violence. ok, you are describing it happening between people who are going out with each other as well? sure. often, we overlook forms of violence within relationships. it is absolutely true that nonconsensual condom removal doesn't care what your relationship status is. miriam, cani your relationship status is. miriam, can i ask you how violated you felt after that? it was very difficult, at first, to even admit that something violent had happened. i had consented to sex, voluntarily i had consented to sex, voluntarily i had removed my clothes and gone home with him. when i told people about this later they say it wasn't, you know, assault, was it, because after a ll you know, assault, was it, because after all you had consented to sex. you had consented to sex with a

condom. using a condom. exactly. it took me a while to realise or to admit to myself that what had happened was actually a form of assault. you become so uncertain because you started out yourself. especially because our society tells women that they... if they start something with a man, we are held to the expectations that we have to finish it. right. it took a long time for me to, you know, find the words to describe what this was. but the worst part was that i was immediately concerned about my physical safety. i didn't know this man prior to this. he could have had disease. he could have got me pregnant. i had to wait for the worst disease, hiv, you have to wait six months to get your test results back. that was six months of

uncertainty and fear, not knowing what might happen later. it is in addition to the uncertainty when you don't have the words to describe what has been done to you, you get the nagging feeling that you might actually... there might be lifelong consequences that you have no control over. of course. sandra, you area control over. of course. sandra, you are a solicitor specialising in sexual offences. is it rape?” are a solicitor specialising in sexual offences. is it rape? ithink absolutely it is. what miriam has described is a mixture, iagree. but if we're thinking about the nonconsensual removal of a condom, yes, that is because the central issue is, when it comes to rape is about consent. if you've made your consent conditional on wearing a condom, to remove that without the other person's knowledge means that you've negated the consent that you have originally given. therefore the continuing penetration is one that is unlawful. can you imagine trying to prosecute a man who was able to

say, truthfully, this woman consented to sex and we were wearing a condom and you know what, itjust came off, you know how it does? that comes down to the issue of the quality of the evidence. this part of the law isn't concerned with accidents, accidents have always happened and they continued to happen. if he is saying it is an accident. she is saying he took the condom off, we started having sex, it was on, i wanted it to stay on but he took it off when he's said it comes off, that's what happens. the evidence is going to be difficult, as it always is in cases of rape. yeah. but the quality of the information brought to the crown prosecution service, they will way that up to see what they can possibly prosecute on. the judicial wind, when you look at those limited occasions where the court has discussed this matter is that the court would consider this something that should go in front of a jury. alexandra, do you think the term stealthing is helpful or a hindrance

to campaigners against violence against women? i'll be honest, i don't like it. it is the worst that is used by the people who encourage others to remove condom is without their partner's permission. i can't believe that that is a category of people. but there are whole online communities that promotes this practice. i don't want to give them control. absolutely. to make this easier. what is the thrill from removing the condom, what is it about? i think it varies but one consistent thread that i saw was that the perpetrators, all of whom, we re that the perpetrators, all of whom, were men, would talk about their natural male right to have sex without a condom. they talked about spreading their seed, about breeding, even when their partners we re breeding, even when their partners were other men. what do you think of that, miriam? like she said, you can't even

believe it is a group of people that exists. it is easier to dismiss them as thick, disturbed people. but when you see the threads discussing stealthing, especially on twitter when i was discussing it with others is that there are all these apologists. a lot of men, always men, who come into these discussions to defend the stealthers. at first you just think these are sick, disturbed people but then you find a lot of other men defending their right to do so or trying to minimise the damages, saying it wasn't actually rape, you can't really call it that, so i think when it comes down to read, it's about a group of men whojust down to read, it's about a group of men who just feel they have the right to a woman's body. to do with as they wish. in my mind, they are the same people who don't consider it rape if a woman is unconscious or

they are the same group of people who don't really consider women to be autonomous people but bodies for their consumption. ok. you talked about getting a test for hiv, presumably you had to wait for other sti results, did you consider going to the police? i did. the man who did this to me, we had exchanged phone numbers earlier in the evening. when he seemed like a nice guy. he kept calling me for weeks after this happened and wanted to meet again. to him, this had just been a nice evening out. with a track record of rape cases in norway, just this last year, a man was more or less cleared of rape in a norwegian court because the woman he had raped was a prostitute. so, the court believed he had the rights... he had the right to expect

sexual intercourse so when he raped her because he refused to pay and then he raped her, he was acquitted. knowing what awaits a victim when she reports, there would not be point. thank you so much, miriam waived her right to anonymity to talk to us today. alexandra and sandra, thank you. thank you for your company today. on the programme tomorrow, we'll look at claims of a rise in anti—semitism across university campuses in the uk. good morning. another cold day today, northerly winds bringing more showers. initially, they are across the eastern coastal areas but they will develop further inland on the eastern side of england. some heavy with hail sleet and thunder. fewer

showers further west across england and wales, more sunshine. more cloud spilling down across scotland and northern ireland bringing the odd light rain shower. temperatures getting up to 11 or 12 across southern parts of england and wales. they will fade away very quickly in the evening. it will be chilly under clear skies and further north more cloud spilling down bringing outbreaks of rain and drizzle but it will keep up the temperatures. southern parts of england and wales in the countryside, those numbers could be as low as —2. some early sunshine with frost. make the most of it because the cloud is moving south. some pockets of light rain or drizzle. some sunshine. then. temperatures in the central belt could be 15 degrees. this is bbc news and these are the top stories developing at 11...

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