welcome to bbc news. today at 7:00pm: nhs hospitals in england are hit by a cyber attack, forcing some to turn off computer systems and divert emergency cases to other hospitals. a major incident is declared. some routine appointments have been cancelled. trusts and hospitals between london and cumbria have been affected. nhs england has launched an investigation. the gentleman just inside the door said that all the computers had gone down and we are not sure that the doctors can see you for whatever reason. if it is x—rays, breakages or whatever, they are going to send you home. jeremy corbyn says the war on terror has not worked — military intervention has become "almost routine" and fresh thinking is needed. the philosophy of bomb first, talk later to security has failed. to persist with it as the conservative government has made clear it's determined to do is a recipe for increasing not reducing threats and security. a coroner rules that 14—year—old

nasar ahmed died as a result of an allergic reaction to his school lunch — his mother says he could have been saved. thousands ofjellyfish have washed up on beaches in wales in what conservationists have described as a "mega swarm". it's 7:00pm. our top story: the national health service says it is responding to a major cyber attack which has affected hospitals and doctors surgeries across england. similar ransomware attacks have been reported at organisations across the world. security analysts believe the incident are all linked. it has problems with phone networks and has led to a number of organisations having

to divert emergency patients. at least 25 have been hit, with a number in scotland also targeted. experts say they have been hit by a ra nsomwa re malwa re experts say they have been hit by a ransomware malware which means that nhs data is being held hostage by hackers demanding money. it is not but that patient files have been affected. a major incident has been declared by nhs leaders in england and hospitals like this one in colchester have been experiencing serious computer problems after a cyber attack. this is what some patients told us: the gentleman just inside the door said that all the computers have gone down, and they are not sure whether the doctors can see you for whatever reason. if it is x—rays, breakages, what have you, they will send you home. it has happened before, this hospital trust covering north lincolnshire and gore, it systems

were closed for three days as the result of a cyber attack last autumn. hundreds of operations and patient appointments were postponed, people were told to a & e if it was really necessary, there were warnings that nhs it was honourable. —— vulnerable. and today staff logging in at other hospitals found this on their screens, with a message saying, your files are encrypted, if you want to recover them, you need to pay up. ransomware, a hidden programme used by criminal hackers was being used. the nhs is vulnerable, because typically it has not invested enough in computer security, using old computers and systems and if they don't keep them properly patched they will keep getting hit by attacks like this. in a statement, nhs digital, responsible for it, has said: one doctor at this hospital in mansfield told us how it was

affecting services today. i had a meeting today, a patient with severe back pain, could potentially paralyse her. and we had to divert her to another hospital, queens medical centre. it is getting a bit difficult for us. we have a lot of patients here. it takes an awful lot of time for us to process the information on a paper system. some hospitals warned local people they were experiencing significant it and telephone problems. some gp practices have also reported significant problems. our correspondent is outside saint

bartholomew's hospital in london. what is the latest? the trust itself has four hospitals, which are all affected by this cyber attack. we know that earlier on the declared a major incident here and they put that into place. all routine appointments at this hospital and three other hospitals were cancelled for the day. also patients were told that if they could use other nhs services, then they should go elsewhere. also ambulances which have been arriving here at the hospital and the other three hospitals affected here have been diverted to neighbouring hospitals. we have had a statement from the london and berlin service that they they have not been directly affected themselves, but they are working with barts hospital themselves, but they are working with ba rts hospital and themselves, but they are working with barts hospital and say that they are diverging a small number of blue light ambulances to other hospitals. staff here have been trained to deal with an incident like this and it's pretty quiet and

calm inside the hospital itself, but there have been operations cancelled as well. we spoke to one man earlier on who had been waiting for months for a complex heart operation. he said to us that he was prepared by the surgeon surgical team to go into theatre to have this operation, but at the very last minute, the doctors told him they had to cancel it because of these problems. thank you for the moment. just to say before we speak to our correspondent in new york, the prime minister has been speaking. she said that this cyber hit on the nhs is part of the wider international attack. we have also had some reports that companies in spain have been cut up in it. the prime minister went on to say that there is no evidence at the moment that patient data has been compromised. we can speak to our correspondent abi jaiyeola who's in york. however they been affected there? teaching hospitals trusts say they

have been significantly affected, but they have taken steps to keep clinical services running. we have spoken to patients affected with problems with prescriptions and discharge notes. we have also heard from one man who had an mri scan cancelled. one woman who had an x—ray has had it postponed until tuesday. the hospitals here have cancelled summer breast screening that were planned. other patients have said they have been treated and things have been fine, doctors are doing things the old—fashioned way, making those with papers. they have gone on to praise the hospital for how they are coping with this. we have heard from a source that the cyber attack has affected their ability to sterilise equipment that has affected some operations. as been confirmed dead by the trust. they are digging steps to keep things running here in york. —— not been confirmed by the trust. let's get more from our

technology reporter zoe kleinman. it does seem there have been countries all over the world hit, particularly in spain and russia. there is a map that people are watching online that seems to show a tax popping up all over the world. —— attacks. it seems like they are coming from all over the world from one gang are a lot of gangs and exploit the weakness. this is a p pa re ntly exploit the weakness. this is apparently been around since february this year. it attacks a wea kness february this year. it attacks a weakness within microsoft windows operating system. microsoft issued a patch for this in march, so be but who have downloaded all of the security updates that are around, they are less likely to be vulnerable. it does suggest that these machines have been attacked we re these machines have been attacked were not up—to—date. these machines have been attacked were not up-to-date. thank you for the moment, is away. thank you for the moment, is away. with me is shaun lintern, patient safety correspondent at the health service journal. it has all been rather chaotic in

these nhs trusts and organisations having to respond very quickly. what struck you about what happened this afternoon? what struck my team is how quickly it spread. we were getting reports very quickly at about 2:30pm this afternoon and from there, we very quickly saw it spread across the country. we have become aware of some trust who told us earlier in the day that they were not affected, they then later told us not affected, they then later told us that they had actually detected a ra nsomwa re on us that they had actually detected a ransomware on their system. it is spreading throughout the country. such an enormous set of systems or ink is connected. we're so dependent on them. what has been saying about how their work has been affected? we have heard really difficult day for staff. x—ray machines and pathology and patient administration systems down. doctors and nurses rely on these two run the words. we should not exaggerate these kinds of

things, we don't know what the patient risks will be yet, but we do know that nhs staff will excel in these types of situations. patients have been diverted, operations and appointments have been cancelled. there will have to be a serious postmortem after to figure out how the nhs was opened up to such an attack. i've heard some examples today of consultants unable to access ct imaging scans, unable to do mini kit with each other through their pager and bleep system, this does really affect the day—to—day working of the nhs. that has to have an effect on the provision of service to patients. i don't think this point we really know the full extent. that will become clear in the next few days. it has to be a concern that patient safety is at risk. what about the issue of patient confidence in the nhs?

particularly over the weekend when you're not sure whether they can get treated at the turn up at a hospital. we do not believe that any patient records have been pondered oi’ patient records have been pondered or accessed. as you have said, this isa or accessed. as you have said, this is a random attack across the world. i think what this is, is data being held hostage for financial gain, i think what this is, is data being held hostage forfinancial gain, not that patient details are being shared with somebody they shouldn't be. there are many trust which don't appear to have been affected, but what are they going to do as a precaution to make sure that they don't get sucked into it? there is a bit of a ripple effect coming through the country. the trusts not affected a re through the country. the trusts not affected are shutting down their systems as a precaution. they are in effect being affected by the virus even though they have not been attacked by the brand somewhere themselves. it is rippling through themselves. it is rippling through the nhs at the moment and as i said, there is going to have to be some real thought going into the vulnerability of the nhs system which comes back to finance and

investment. have we really invested in the systems? contrasts are still running windows xp and systems are vulnerable to these attacks. there isa vulnerable to these attacks. there is a questionnaire to the wider system. thank you. this doctor in dundee has been telling us what happened at her surgery. we are still all here at the surgery. we tried to disseminate the information locally, but we are having significant issues with our it systems. we cannot access any patient records, results, prescription requests. we are not able to deal with them at the moment. we are here, the surgery is open, but we've got very limited services that we can provide for people. some people are still coming into the desk. people are still falling the surgery and we are advising them as best as we can. if

people have acute emergency issues, luckily that having been the case is afternoon, but absolutely everything else is completely blocked us. we just can't access anything. we have for a long time in primary care been a paperless system, so all of the patient records are held on the computer and anything paper is historical. it is all records. all of the update information is held on the computers. we obviously can print out that information if we need to, but we can't access the system to be able to do that. we do have the advantage i suppose in primary care that we know the vast the dorothy of our patients pretty well. —— the vast majority of our patients. i saw a lady who i know pretty well. she was expecting to see one of my colleagues, but because i know her, i was able to see her until her problem because i know her medical history. i think we

have that advantage in primary care for most of our patients. we have been able to deal with most things as they have cropped up. we can obviously prescribe things to people, we can do hand written prescriptions to people, but lots of oui’ prescriptions to people, but lots of our patients are on very complex combinations of drugs and it's not possible to remember all of those and patients don't necessarily remember all of those things either. we have contingency in place for monday morning so that if the system. up and running, then we will be able to inform people about that oi’ be able to inform people about that or if they are phoning us to make appointments and what we are going to offer people is that they can come and sit in surgery and it will be first come first served. we will see people as they come and hope that we can deal with most problems. the itu service locally is very much aware of the issue and they are going to be sending people out over the weekend to try and get our system the weekend to try and get our syste m u p the weekend to try and get our system up and running. what we don't know is how any other practices might become involved. we know there

are might become involved. we know there a re least might become involved. we know there are least three others in dundee and another one in paris, but whether there are more narrow we don't know. —— paris. that is a gp in dundee. the initial reports are still coming m, the initial reports are still coming in, but it looks as if this is a fairly classic example of ransomware on the basis of the information we have at the moment. in other words, criminals getting into the networks and then encrypting the data so that the users can no longer access it and demanding payments normally any form of something like bit coin, which is hard to trace. this kind of attack has become much more prevalent. it wouldn't surprise me

that something of this sort might happen. it is however a bit surprising given the prominence and salience of this development, it has now attracted, the likelihood of anyone paying a ransom seems to me to be much diminished. one cannot help wondering what the thought processes of the attackers actually were. yes, and given that the... as our corresponding explained, the message that appears on the screen says we want the underpants in treaties or you will be able to access anything on this computer. —— £300 in three days. if the whole point of this is financial gain, i just wonder whether people watching this will think they don't understand why the people doing the storm target rich wealthy companies. we don't know the fact is they may well do. a lot of these attacks are

not reported. people pay up and move on. it is very difficult to get an idea of what the size of this problem is. i hadn't realised that the figure involved were as low as this. that again causes me to wonder, that does call into question the extent to which this is actually targeted. and if it's not targeted, why is it done? by the sorts of attacks ever, this is having enormous ramifications, but can these things sometimes be extremely bright teenagers in their bedroom wanting a challenge? that can happen. not so long ago, we had a major attack on the uk talk talk company and the initial response is

where that this had me be a state—sponsored attack in turn to beat two is gripped kiddies in their bedrooms. most ra nsomwa re beat two is gripped kiddies in their bedrooms. most ransomware attacks tend to be undertaken by the higher end of the criminal fraternity. a lot of cybercriminals are low—grade opportunistic with people buying exploits in the dark net that they do not understand how they work and simply using them to engage in low—level criminality. ransomware attacks tend to be undertaken by the more sophisticated organised elements. a quick thought as well about what it says about the security systems that are or aren't operating on those who have been attacked, because it's striking that some trusts are affected, some are not? i think with the nhs generally, there is an issue that a lot of

these trusts, in excess of 40, are using windows xp software. this is a softwa re using windows xp software. this is a software system that is no longer supported by microsoft. in other words, microsoft are no longer looking for security flaws and seeking to repair them. i think that is an issue that is going to need to be looked at. the director of future conflict in cyber security at the international institute of strategic studies. let'sjoin her let's join her independent analyst from oxford. what strikes you about the nature and scale of the attack, not just against the the nature and scale of the attack, notjust against the nhs, but in countries like spain and russia? absolutely. it is important to remember this is not just absolutely. it is important to remember this is notjust an attack against the nhs, although that is a

very obvious victim of this, when which has caught many people's attention, this is something which can attention, this is something which ca n affect attention, this is something which can affect organisations of different kinds all around the world. but why in particular with the nhs be of interest? clearly they hold a huge amount of data which is precious, but how likely are ready to get a ransom from an organisation like the halle servers? well, i don't believe the nhs were targeted in this attack. i think the chemicals created a fast spreading worm which was dumping be ransomware onto vulnerable computers and infecting them. i think this simply got lucky because the nhs isn't very well protected. there hasn't been the right investment in computer security. they are not patting their systems. as we just heard, many of their computers are still running outdated versions of windows which will run the ball. the good news is,

these particular criminals are not interested in stealing patient data, they simply want money. they want to encrypt the information rather than select and extort the money. it is 2ist—ce ntu ry select and extort the money. it is 2ist—century exertion. select and extort the money. it is 21st-century exertion. but if nhs aren't likely to pay up penny in the target, how likely is it that the nhs will get that data back unencrypted and how do they go about doing it? hopefully, like all sensible organisations, they will have backed up their data. we will have backed up their data. we will have kept secure back—ups that when disaster like this does strike, you can disaster like this does strike, you ca n recover disaster like this does strike, you can recover from those back—ups, hopefully learn a feudalism is about patching systems properly, the pact that was essential to protect against this attack came out in march from microsoft. the result is for any organisation to have been hit by that. accidents do happen and there is new ransomware all the time, but if you hard in your system than wanting your computers, then

you can make it much more difficult for the hackers to succeed. let me just as you to hold on if you will, because i believe theresa may has been speaking about this attack. organisations have been affected. the national cyber security centre is working with nhs digital to ensure that they support organisations concerned and that the protect patient safety. not aware of any evidence that patient data has been copper mice. of it is important that we have set up the national cyber security centre and the able to work with the nhs organisations concerned to ensure that they are supported and that patient safety is protected. is concerning that something of the skill could happen to the nhs? what is important is that we have recognised that increasingly we need to be aware of the need to address cyber security issues. that is why the centre has been set up. it is now able to work with the nhs to support the

innovation is concerned and to ensure that patients a day is protected. -- patient safety is protected. -- patient safety is protected. that was the prime minister talking not so long ago and recognising the need to address the issue of cyber security, which we have heard from several guests. we will be speaking to agree again waiting patiently for us in oxford. that is just an update that i need to bring you from the yorked teaching hospital nhs foundation. they have said that no operations have been cancelled as a result of the cyber attack, surgery is continuing over the weekend as usual, they will have to cancel some mri scans, there has been no issues with sterilising equipment, patient database doesn't with sterilising equipment, patient data base doesn't run with sterilising equipment, patient database doesn't run on the affected software, but there are some pcs that have been affected which you access the database through. they have now gone through every machine

and have kept all of those running but aren't affected by this attack. the hospitals which the trust covers are as scarborough, bridlington yorked malton and selby and they have taken their e—mail off—line. it is having an impact, everything is taking longer. they are putting contingency plans in place that if the virus spreads, the hospital can continue working. everything is backed up on paper. good old paper! breast screening services have been cancelled any number of places. the hospital pharmacies open and they are looking to see if any routine appointments need to be cancelled over the weekend, so view due to be treated at any of those centres check first to avoid a wasted trip. let's go back to graham. the independent cyber security analyst in oxford. notjust a back—up on a computer somewhere else, but paper. sometimes the old school is the way

to go. theresa may accepting, graham, as you said, that there needs to be more attention, more investment in cyber security, but evenif investment in cyber security, but even if it is readily available, it's expensive, isn't it? to cover the whole of the nhs and to do so so quickly. yes, there needs to be investment. the it teams need to be given resources. i'm sure that the people who work on it security at the nhs are aware of this and want to do more. the patch from microsoft has been available from march, it's free, it doesn't cost anyone anything to apply it and i think whenever microsoft says we have a critical problem with our software which we believe hackers are exploiting, then everyone should wa ke exploiting, then everyone should wake up and say we need to patch as soon as wake up and say we need to patch as soon as possible, because sooner or later other hackers will come along, like they have today enjoyed exploited in order to make money. you have to do that. there is another point about patients data. thankfully, on this occasion, it

doesn't look like that has been mice. that is terrific. we do have movements inside the governments to store more and more of our intranet browsing histories and to get the isps to store that information. what will be the damage next time if it is an isp or telecom company that gets hacked and it is our private information? we have to think about what the next attacks might be and how to defend against them. had that affect customer or patient confidence an organisation which finds itself attacked? the good news is that privacy has not been impacted by this, but obviously people will be thinking, when am i going to get my operation? it is tough and sometimes because of waiting list and so forth to get timely dealings even though everyone is trying hard. most of us cannot

afford an alternative. that is what we have. it is not like a regular product we are buying and we might think, we don't trust those guys anywhere we might buy it from somewhere else. most of us cannot afford to go private. how successful are the authorities in finding and prosecuting the people have done this? it is extremely unlikely that we will find out who did this unless they have made a mistake. most of they have made a mistake. most of the ransomware which we see is coded pretty well and all that there will be will be a bit coin address, the anonymous connections that deals with the loss of this activity. that is how they are looking to get paid a ransom fee. that could be based anywhere in the world and it's very difficult to identify. it possible someone may have difficult to identify. it possible someone may have made a mistake or brag about it. if they are sensible, they will put their head down. thank you very much. we are just hearing

that the scottish government is holding a resilience meeting and roast bonds to this cyber attack. several nhs health boards, six of them affected in scotland. they are reporting that they had been caught up reporting that they had been caught up in this large—scale ransomware attack that has had an impact on services across england, as we have been reporting. we will find out how this tree is covered in tomorrow's front pages at 10:40pm this evening. at 10:40 this evening in the papers — our guestsjoining me tonight are stephen bush, special correspondent at the new statesman and iain martin, editor of the political news website, reaction. time for a look at the weather, here's jay wynne. good evening. the satellite shows a band of rain. of sunshine swirling around. this rain is working its way into northern ireland. it will be quite wet for a time. the showers move north and ten to fade away. the

eastern side of scotland and england quite agree. low cloud. by the end of the night, a future is along the goals. not a cold night by any stretch. looks like the south east will have the best of the weather on saturday. a couple of showers, but largely dry and bright. quite windy, outbreaks of rain. perhaps a rumble of thunder in the north of scotland. through the evening, this band of rain moving from west to east. it will cross all parts, but won't last too long anywhere. it should be gone by sunday. for most places, funding will be bright and breezy with sunny spells and a scattering of showers. hello. this is bbc news. the headlines... the security services are investigating a major cyber attack against hospitals and gp practices across england and parts of scotland forcing some to turn off computer systems and divert emergency cases to

alternative a&e departments. at least 25 hospitals and gp surgeries have been paralysed by the hacking. the secretary of state for health has been briefed by the national cyber security centre. the gentlemen said that all the computers had gone down and they were not sure when the doctor would see us. he said the doctor would have to send us home. the labour leader, jeremy corbyn, has outlined his defence policy — insisting that he isn't a pacifist and would order the use of military action, but only as a last resort. "the philosophy of bomb first, talk later approach to security has failed. to persist with it as the conservative government has made

clear it's determined to do is a recipe for increasing not reducing threats and security. a coroner has called for changes in the way schools care for pupils with allergies —— after concluding that an adrenaline injection might have saved the life of a fourteen—year—old naser ahmed who collapsed after eating a school lunch. thousands ofjellyfish have washed up on beaches in wales in what conservationists have described as a "mega swarm". let's go back to our main story — a major incident has been declared after nhs services across england and scotland were hit by a large—scale cyber—attack. attish pattni is head of threat prevention for northern europe at checkpoint — the world's biggest it security company. hejoins me on webcam from hemel hempstead. what is your view? i think the initial story when it broke centred

around the nhs but what we are now seeing is that the nhs has been caught up in a worldwide campaign of somewhere. we have had reports from customers in spain and portugal, reported attack in russia, turkey andjapan, reported attack in russia, turkey and japan, indonesia, this is spreading across the globe.|j suppose it is spreading because that is the nature of it works. one thing, that our team is reporting, is that once they tend to get centred organisation, it very quickly moves across the organisation to spread itself and quite often, we see veldt once something spreads in the organisation, it tries to spread outside the organisation. various collea g u es outside the organisation. various colleagues of mine have identified 36 organisations in england and scotland, 24 trusts in england, seven clinical groups in england and five health boards in scotland, you

have been talking to staff in the nhs, how surprise, shocked that this is happening? i think generally the security professionals are aware of ra nsomwa re and i security professionals are aware of ransomware and i do not think people are surprised that ransomware attacks have happened and there have been attacks in the nhs and in corporate space as well. i think people have been surprised by the scale of the attack and how fast it has been spreading this afternoon in the nhs. how much of a priority should it be? we are in the run—up toa should it be? we are in the run—up to a general election and this is something that politicians will be asked about. this will be part of the topic. it is important to stress it is not just the topic. it is important to stress it is notjust the nhs organisations that are facing this attack, but with the nhs we are talking about patient data and primary care services to patients and it is

important that organisations to take steps to protect themselves. you cannot ever guarantee you will not happen, can you? sadly there is no silver bullet or a 100% solution out there, we do a good job working with our customers to protect them as much as possible, but unfortunately there is always that slight chance that something can happen and it is about reducing risk and mitigating those risks were possible. about reducing risk and mitigating those risks were possiblelj about reducing risk and mitigating those risks were possible. i do not wa nt those risks were possible. i do not want you sending them an invoice for your advice, but what would your advice be. i think the advice with b, firstand advice be. i think the advice with b, first and foremost, to stop the lateral movement as much as possible. in some cases, that might mean disconnecting machines, it might mean meaning that they have segmented their networks of the attack cannot spread and it is important that they restore from back—up is as quickly as possible and they also get the vulnerabilities that have caused the attack to come in. this has been

available from march this year. the softwa re available from march this year. the software provider would have identified that, in this case, it is microsoft. microsoft generally released patches on a tuesday and they are very proactive when they detect a major vulnerability to notify organisations. there is the challenge of getting those patches out within an organisation, when you're talking about large—scale deployments of such patches, they ta ke deployments of such patches, they take time and they need to text them. the key thing now is to get those patches out as quickly as possible and stop this from happening again. we have heard that some parts of the nhs are now relying on their paper copies of records, in so many ways, we have been told that we will be working in pa perless been told that we will be working in paperless offices but at times like this having a hard document is pretty useful. yes, the nhs is doing a good job of trying to get as much

of their front line care delivered as possible and they are using any means necessary. with paper copies, they need to take care of that. thank you. not a problem. thank you. jeremy corbyn says that the war on terror is not working and britain needs a fresh approach. he says he was not a pacifist and could see circumstances in which he would involve britain in a work and he warned against what he called bomb first, talk later. he accused theresa may pandering to donald trump or he said was making the world a more dangerous place. here is our deputy political editor. voiceover: he is used to it now, all the attention, and not always friendly, though he still tries to be.

don't push each other, ok. labour's campaign is so much aboutjeremy corbyn, his character, his ideas, he has held here for 30 years, though some in his party which he had not, like defence, and the labour leader today was holding to his oldest and deepest convictions, writing of years of britain's way of war against terror. the war on terror has not succeeded, it has driven these interventions and it has not increased security at home, in fact, many would say, just the opposite. this, britain's leader, on—site and alongside with donald trump, notjeremy corbyn's answer, more talking, less fighting, yes, and a lot less cosy and is with washington ifjeremy corbyn wins. we deserve better than simply outsourcing defence and prosperity to the whims of donald trump's white house, no more handholding with donald trump. a labour government will conduct a robust and independent foreign policy. the message, when facing terrorism, to rely on peace and diplomacy, but what about britain's nuclear deterrent?

and jeremy corbyn's lifelong opposition to nuclear defence, or potential prime minister that has become a nagging question, a live election issue, and he knew it. —— for a potential prime minister. i am often asked if i would order the use of nuclear weapons, it is an ordinary question when you think about it, would you order the indiscriminate killing of millions of people? would you risk such contamination of the planet that no life could exist across large parts of the world? if circumstances arose where there was a real option, it would represent a complete and cataclysmic failure, it would mean world leaders have already triggered a spiral of catastrophe. that sounded like a no, he wanted nuclear defence reconsidered as well. we cannot decide what a review would decide otherwise we would not have a review. would you say to —— what you say to supporters british military power, it is not clear when you would sent forces into battle, including strikes against islamic

state western mark mcgrath i doubt many if any would have questioned the legitimacy ultimately of the second world war because of the catastrophe of the rise of the nazis. —— against islamic state? controversy today is about recent conflicts. british air strikes on so—called islamic state in iraq and syria, whichjeremy corbyn has opposed, he is glad now that he has joined the marches against the iraq invasion, which drove down support for labour in government, he wanted british raids against is reviewed. examine what they are doing straightaway, and their presence, but above all, that fits into the whole point i am saying, i would do everything i possibly could in order to reignite the peace process. some, not all labour supporters, agree, others, very far from it. a labour party led by jeremy corbyn that would simply chuck away at ability to defend ourselves

is crazy and not the way want so. you see defence policy sucking in billions of pounds on trident, at a time when a conventional defence force has seen cut after cut after cut. approvalfor the leaders line here, today, but labour needs converts, lots of them. that's big to paul rodgers who joins us now. that's big to paul rodgers who joins us now. welcome. how difficult a task doesjeremy corbyn us now. welcome. how difficult a task does jeremy corbyn face us now. welcome. how difficult a task doesjeremy corbyn face in trying to reposition british foreign policy? pretty big, but! trying to reposition british foreign policy? pretty big, but i think he has two advantages compared with the situation during their campaign. there is an acceptance that trident will remain, there may be a defence review, but basically that one has been knocked away for the time being

and the other is the way in which he tends to it says, with pretty good evidence that the last 15 years in the war on terror simply has not worked. we have been doing simply has not worked. it is true, there is probably a greater sense of insecurity in britain now that there was 14 or 15 years ago and i think it is slightly stronger, but asjohn peel are saying, it has amounted to decline. doing a speech at this time, obviously from the point of view of the prime minister, she must think she has a majority, otherwise why call the election? if the polls continue to narrow, i think one can expect, they will come strongly at labour on the defensive issue. this is trying to be more internationalist and to demonstrate slightly different sides to the labour party. if you look at the speech in detail, it is interesting and you understand there is more detail on this coming in the ma nifesto detail on this coming in the manifesto which is published on

tuesday and we are going to have to wait, but at the moment the timing is fascinating. who are his ideas likely to appeal to and who will reject them out right? obviously the conservatives believe that they are the only party that is strong on defence and basically, they believe that labour can always be laboured —— labelled unpatriotic. too many people who would be labour supporters, they are dubious on this issue. on the other hand there is a strong support for some of what he is saying in many quarters are probably the majority of people in britain do regard the iraq war as a pretty dismalfailure. people britain do regard the iraq war as a pretty dismal failure. people will accept that in the war on terror, we have found basically, since we have created three failed states, not us alone but the coalition, libya, afghanistan weather may even be more british troops going on and then of course iraq, so to that extent, there will be a lot of people who will grab onto this and some will be disappointed he did not go the full way on the nuclear site, but there

will be other aspects. in a sense this is a demonstration of division in the country and he is basically trying to say, labour is starting to think this through, it is interesting also, although the cells not come out on the media, corbyn is pushing strongly of the un site, he wa nts to pushing strongly of the un site, he wants to see britain play a leadership role on the peacekeeping area. that is unusual, because in a sense, and a different way to the normal, he is trying to say there is another role for britain, which would increase its status. whether he can get that through in the space of three weeks to the election, that remains to be seen but it is a change. you as professor of peace studies is perfectly placed to tell us studies is perfectly placed to tell us where politicians in the world have tried this before, with what success. if you look worldwide, there are many examples, of world wa rs there are many examples, of world wars have been prevented. in all kinds of places and ways in which would have been to a relatively early on. people who specialise in

resolution and we have some of the groups in britain, actually point out that there are lots of examples where things have not gone wrong, it is also true, that the united nations has had a number of successful peacekeeping missions and also seem tremendously interesting transitions. the whole idea of conflict prevention and peace building as well, does not tend to get much space in an election campaign, but behind the scenes a lot does go on. i was surprise, this may come out in the manifest, on this occasion, jeremy corbyn said little about what is undoubtedly one of the biggest single conflict threaten the future and that is the impact of climate change. maybe that will, in future, impact of climate change. maybe that will, infuture, it impact of climate change. maybe that will, in future, it is curious because one of the biggest issues facing the whole world is not really figuring in this election campaign andi figuring in this election campaign and ifind figuring in this election campaign and i find that quite astounding. maybe the green party will help us with that? maybe they will. it is fascinating and i am sure we will talk to you soon, professor paul rogers, thank you for your time.

thank you. theresa may has been campaigning in the north—east of england today in an attempt to wind over labour voters and she accused jeremy corbyn of desert in which she called proud and patriotic working—class people and does mr carbone was outlining, the labour foreign policy plans, she did not rule out a future vote on joining future strikes against syria. here is our political editor. what the tories might expect, a raw reception in much of the northeast of england. the tories will ruin our environment. can the conservatives win around here, no! definitely not! no chance! a very small selection of people canvassing for the tories, we have a huge following for the labour. but, inside, theresa may believes she can swell these polite ranks of her supporters, trying to stir up national pride with talk of security, and defence, while slamming her labour opponents, who have been in charge round here for a long time. proud and patriotic working class people, in towns and

cities across britain, have not deserted the labour party. we respect the parents and grandparents taught their children and grandchildren that labour was a party that share their values and stood up for their community. but across the country today, traditional labour supporters are increasingly looking at whatjeremy corbyn believes in, and are appalled. but, beyond the attack lines, on safety and security, what might she do if she stays in charge? you have thought a lot about patriotism today — would you think it patriotic to join the united states in more strikes against syria, or will you rule out having a parliamentary vote on that? we are, as you know, the united kingdom is part of the coalition that is operating in syria and iraq, with the united states, but with other countries as well. when i look at the decisions

we will be taking in terms of defence and foreign policy, there is one thing that will drive the decisions, that those decisions will be taken in the british national interest. not quite a no. but can she really take the tories beyond small pockets of the north—east? just look at the side of the bus to see how they hope how. her name in giant letters, you almost need a magnifying glass for the party. we will deliver for britain. she may be well ahead in the polls, but the tory manifesto is not even published yet — how far can she really reach? i was labour a few years ago, when i first started voting, but my views are changing, just through working life and what is happening in this world, in this country, my views are changing. have you voted tory before? no, i haven't. so you will be voting conservative the first time? yes. and what is it that's changed your mind? strong opinions on brexit — that is where i want to see

the country go, stand—alone, move forward that way. getting on the road in the north—east is part of a deliberate strategy, notjust in trying to win, but to pump up the majority. i've used virtually every form of transport you can think of in this election campaign, except horses. but however she travels and whatever the polls say today, shifting huge numbers of votes in labour territory is a hard sell. theresa may has already been to more than 20 labour seats, including some here in the north—east that should traditionally be safe as houses. the tories say that she is selling a positive message, but every day they are trying to display contrast between her and jeremy corbyn, brutally trying to strip away the labour vote. you don't get anyone more important than the prime minister, do you? convention suggest whole chunks of the north of england, scotland and wales just are not safe for the conservatives, but theresa may wants

to persuade you that the country's future is only safe with her. the liberal democrats have confirmed that they would legalise the sale of cannabis if they are elected. the party would allow licensed shops to sell the drugs to people over the age of 18 and they would also be able to grow cannabis at home and spoke a small social clubs. you're watching bbc news. the headlines this evening... a major incident is declared after nhs services are england and scotland are ahead by a large—scale cyber attacks. an investigation is underway as patients have been affected at 36 nhs organisations including hospitals, gp surgeries that wrecked surgeries and dental practices. jeremy corbyn has outlined his defence policy insisting he is not a person and would not authorise the use of military action as last

resort. an update on the market numbers... here is how london and frankfurt ended the day. this is how the dow and nasdaq are getting on. the ftse100 climbing to record heights after shares soared at astrazeneca following a breakthrough with lung cancer medicine. a coroner has concluded that a coroner has concluded that a teenager —— who died from an allergic reaction to his school lunch —— could possibly have been saved, if staff had given him the adrenalin injection he needed. fourteen—year—old nasar ahmed —— who had severe asthma and a wide range of food allergies —— collapsed at a school in east london last november. our correspondent sarah campbell has been at the inquest today. nasar ahmed loved maths and science and wanted to be a politician. he also suffered a severe asthma and food allergies. his family have heard in detail how he came to die after having an extreme allergic reaction to an ingredient in a curry he had for lunch while at school.

a couple of hours after nasar had eaten, he told staff here that he couldn't breathe. there was confusion as to what might be wrong and his personal medical box was found. it contained an adrenaline injector pen, or epipen, but there were no instructions as to how or when to use it. so nobody did. the coroner concluded that if the epipen had been used promptly and nasar had been administered adrenaline, there was a possibility but not a probability that this would have changed the outcome. nasar died four days later in hospital. his family said the school let them and their son down. they failed in their care of duty for my son, they failed to give the right injection. if they gave the epipen injection at that time, five minutes before the ambulance came, it would have saved his life. the school issued a statement today are saying following

nasar‘s death, we have reviewed safety procedures and are providing more training for staff across the board. the coroner will be writing several reports including to nasar‘s school in an effort to prevent future deaths. she will also suggest to the chief medical officer that if more epipens were available and more widely understood, lives could be saved. sarah campbell, bbc news, east london. the value of financial deals used to buy new cars has soared to a record level of alarming those who warn that the growing trend could spread trouble. in march it was up 3%. the financial watchdog said it is going to investigate whether some lending is irresponsible, as our personal finance correspondent reports. picking up the dream vehicle,

and in eight out of ten cases it's on credit, dealers and lenders have made it easy for people who used to drive an old banger to get new car after new car. it's a fantastic deal, isn't it? what's to lose? sometimes the finance can help you and it's really good deal. this is how it works. you pay a deposit of thousands of pounds then a monthly payment, typically between 100 and 200, covering interest and the amount the car is dropping in value. after three years you give back the keys and sign up for another if you want. many don't realise they never actually own the car but the financial watchdog, the fca, said last month. we are concerned there may be a lack of transparency, potential conflicts of interest and irresponsible lending. and it would investigate. there are two worries about this, one is that people are signing up for deals which they can't afford, the other is that the finance companies are stoking up a debt bubble which will burst if they can't get rid of the cars at a decent price in the secondhand market when people hand them back. we do not share those concerns. at the end of the day, lenders only have a sustainable business model if they can

confidently expect to get the money they lend back. that means lending is responsible. but no one's putting the brakes on car credit at the moment. the concern will grow if records keep being overtaken. thousands of giant jellyfish thousands of giantjellyfish have washed up on welsh beaches in the past few days they have been spotted in pembrokeshire and anglesey. newquay has been a hot spot with more than 300 seen in what has been called a mega swarm. we don't normally get as many as we

are seeing now and that is unusual. last year was an unusual year in that we did not see them until late on in the season. this year we have seen on in the season. this year we have seen them in april and may but in massive numbers. they seem to be a lot bigger than what we usually see andi lot bigger than what we usually see and i don't think i have ever seen them like this,. numbers have grown in recent years because of mild winters and warm waters are allowing plankton, to thrive. the fine weather lately has sparked this recent boom in jellyfish which can grow up to three feet in diameter. these jellyfish" the beach because they headed to shore for the warmer water and they have a limited ability to swim against sea currents. so they end up here, washed up on the beach in huge numbers. we have been coming here for 40 years and i have never seen anything like it, in terms of the numbers and the size of them. the

la st numbers and the size of them. the last time we have seen so many hundreds of these jellyfish washed up hundreds of these jellyfish washed up like this was when we had that hot summer in 1976. it has been advised not to touch or remove the jellyfish because they give a mild sting similar to jellyfish because they give a mild sting similartoa jellyfish because they give a mild sting similar to a metal and conservationists hope this will attract the main predator, the large leatherback turtle. this ancient sea creature could attract another to our beaches. let's take a look at the weather forecast now. good evening. quite messy picture out there, here is the satellite and radar sequence. a band of rain, scattered showers and a bit of sunshine, swirling around an area of low pressure. this rain is working into northern ireland, it will be wet for a time and those showers moved north and fade away but there will be well aware there are times in scotland and the east of scotland and north east of england, gray, cloud and fog and by the end of the night, a few showers. not a cold

night, a few showers. not a cold night, 11 or 12 degrees, but the south east will have the best of the weather on saturday. a few showers. in the west, quite windy. through the evening, this wind and rain moves from west to east crossing all parts but it will not last long. it should be gone by dawn on sunday, for most places and it will be a bright and breezy day with sunny spells, and also a scattering of showers. this is bbc news — the headlines at 8pm: a major incident is declared after nhs services across england and scotland were hit by a large—scale cyber—attack. an investigation is under way as 36 nhs organisations, including hospitals and gp surgeries have been affected. theresa may says the nhs was not targeted. it's an international attack on number of countries and organisations have been affected.

the national cyber security centre is working closely with nhs the bull digital to ensure they support the organisations concerned. in the next hour we'll be analysing labour's foreign policy, asjeremy corbyn says the war on terror has not worked. the labour leader says military intervention has become "almost routine" and fresh thinking is needed. the philosophy of bomb first, talk later approach to security has failed. to persist with it as the conservative government has made