tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News May 16, 2017 9:00am-11:01am BST
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welcome to the programme. the top story, moors murderer ian brady has died. along with his girlfriend, myra hindley, he killed the nineteen l‘aiii; iii,ilii,t;‘lt;t;iii, m just destroy five gave in; families for more that they gave the families for more than 50 years, destroyed all of the families as well, even to this day. relatives say his death does not end their nightmare. we will speak to some of those who have met ian brady. also, the 16—year—olds and 17—year—olds who are trying to make sure you turn out to vote, even though they are too young to do the centuryjeremy corbyn or theresa may. theresa may and the strong and sta ble may. theresa may and the strong and stable leadership... strong and sta ble stable leadership... strong and stable leadership... strong and stable leadership... we will speak to some of those canvassers after half past nine. and sex and the city
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star kim cattrall will be here later. i am counting... and if you have got a question for her, get in touch this morning. we will talk about ageism in hollywood and her incredible career. good morning and welcome to the programme. this is the week when most of the parties set out their ma nifestos, most of the parties set out their manifestos, we get some promises and some figures. what they say they will do if they win enough votes to form a government. labour will launch at 11 o'clock. and plaid cymru will launch their at ten o'clock. we will also talk about the new mcdonald's advertisement about a boy grieving for his father, which some say is offensive. these get in
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touch with us. the top story today... moors murderer ian brady has died. he and his partner tortured and murdered five children in the ‘60s. myra hindley died in prison in 2002. origi, who was believed to be terminally ill with cancer, had been receiving palliative care at as hworth receiving palliative care at ashworth hospital, a high security psychiatric unit on merseyside. keith doyle reports. the discovery of children's bodies on saddleworth moor shocked and horrified the public. more than 50 years later, the moors murderer, ian brady, has died at ashworth high secure hospital, on merseyside. he had been on hunger strike but force—fed for many years, as he was deemed to be mentally ill. these drawings are from the last time he was seen in public, at a hearing four years ago. he died shortly after 6pm last night. ian brady was a petty criminal who grew up in glasgow. he met myra hindley in manchester.
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the couple started a relationship, and brady led her into a world of sadism. outwardly, a normal couple, they became serial killers, murdering five children. when ian brady and myra hindley were arrested, they said nothing, challenging detectives to prove their guilt. they remained silent even when police had found three children's bodies in shallow graves on saddleworth moor. until her death in 2002, his accomplice blamed him. in the 1980s, the two killers made full confessions, and went back to the moors to help search for other victims. pauline reade's body was eventually recovered, but keith bennett's grave has never been found. i wanted one of them to come up with the truth, so i could nail the two of them, nail them for the rest of their life, like they nailed me down. i wanted them prosecuted for keith's death. his mother, winnie johnson, died in 2012, never knowing where her son was buried. ian brady's sadistic crimes shocked the nation, and will be recorded as among
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the most infamous ever seen in britain. we can speak to our correspondent judith moritz, at ashworth hospital. greater manchester police have released a statement? yes, in the last hour, greater manchester police have said that the case of the moors murders has not been closed and will not be closed whilst they are still receiving information about where keith bennett's remains are. to remind you, of the file five child victims, four of them were found, but keith bennett's body was never discovered, and that was the last piece of information which ian brady held over keith's family and over his mother, who you saw in that report, who i interviewed in 2012, she told me that by not knowing where keith is, that that had put
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her through hell, and she wanted ian brady to go to hell. greater manchester police have said today that whilst they are not actively searching the moors for keith's body, they are receiving information, they say not a week goes by when they do not get information from people who bought to know where keith is. that was the word that the police used. —— people who to know. the only two people knew for certain, and that was myra hindley and ian brady. jeremy corbyn will today unveil the labour party general election manifesto, calling it a "radical and responsible" plan for government. a draft version of the document was leaked last week, including commitments to strengthen trade union rights and nationalise the railways. the bbc now understands the final version will also include a pledge
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to nationalise the water industry. plaid cymru will also launch its manifesto today, promising to make the best of brexit for wales. the party's promising to invest in hospitals, schools and roads, and will pledge to ensure european grants to wales are replaced by westminster. plaid's leader leanne wood wants the welsh government to have a say on any post—brexit trade deal. it is also promising to build new hospitals, schools and railways. the risk is that an increased tory mandate, say, an extra 100 seats for the tories, that would be devastating for our communities here in wales, for our public services and for the very status of our nation even. so, a lott is at stake and our action is designed to provide solutions to some of the challenges that we face.
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people setting up new businesses will get help with their living costs, if the liberal democrats are elected to government. the party will introduce its business programme with a pledge to introduce a £100—a—week allowance to help entrepreneurs in the first six months of a new business venture. leader tim farron will say the conservatives are focusing on helping big business and not small start—ups. the white house is denying president trump shared national security secrets with the russian foreign minister during his visit to the us last week. the washington post claims he gave sergei lavrov intelligence about so—called islamic state. 0ne official who was at the meeting said the claims were false. but a senior senator has said that the administration seems to be in a downward spiral. 0ur reporter david willis has more. the meeting itself was controversial enough, coming just a day
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after the president fired his fbi director over an ongoing investigation into campaign links to russia. now the washington post is reporting that, in the course of their discussions, the president disclosed classified information that could jeopardise a crucial source of intelligence on so—called islamic state, revealing, it is alleged, not only the specifics of an is plot, which is thought to centre on the use of laptop computers on aircraft, but the city from which that threat was detected. the nature of the information that the president provided to the russians would allow them, if they — would allow the russians to reverse—engineer, essentially, that information, to discover the sources and methods. in other words, he said so much that one could figure it out. once the meeting was over, the white house reportedly called senior intelligence chiefs to warn them of what happened. it now finds itself embroiled in a far larger damage—limitation exercise, prompting administration officials to flatly deny the allegations are true. at no time, at no time, were intelligence sources or methods discussed, and the president did not disclose
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any military operations that were not already publicly known. that the president might have shared classified information with america's prime adversary is causing concern, even amongst his staunchest allies. the police federation says cuts to forces in england and wales have left the service at "breaking point". its chairman, steve white, will tell its annual conference in birmingham that officers need better support, particularly if they're involved in a fatal shooting or a police pursuit. but the chairman of the independent police complaints commission, dame anne 0wers, has told the bbc her staff still face resistance when they try to investigate incidents. the leaders of the main nurses' union say a fall in the number of full—time school nurses in england could be putting children's health at risk. the royal college of nursing also says there has been a 16% reduction in the past seven years. they‘ re also highlighting a reduction in the number of health visitors. campaigners say a rare porpoise
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is facing imminent extinction unless the mexican government extends and enforces a ban on the use of a certain type of fishing net. there are thought to be just 30 vaquita porpoises left in the gulf of california off mexico. the world wildlife fund has called for urgent action to clamp down on illegalfishing. the porpoises are getting caught in gillnets, which are hung vertically to trap fish, despite a ban on their use. that is a summary of the news. on the mcdonald's advertisement, which some people think is offensive, it is about a little boy coping with the loss of his dad, this tweet says, we think it is really cute and touching. i lost my dad four years ago, and it doesn't bother me. time for the sport now. and the fa chairman, greg clarke, has been talking about the difficulties of
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93v talking about the difficulties of gay players coming out? gumby absolutely right, not so surprising but really interesting comments from the football association, because greg clarke has admitted that his organisation is actually failing gay footballers. he says that he is yet to meet one player who felt co mforta ble to meet one player who felt comfortable enough to speak to him. he has also admitted that football is probably as couple of decades away from being as inclusive as the women's game. he was speaking at a stonewalled summit in manchester, where he was discussing the problems faced by the lbw gt —— by the audi bt community in football. his conclusion was that despite attempts to engage with gay footballers, they have not worked because players are reticent to talk to him. he did feel that progress had been made but that the fa now needs to take a lead on homophobia in football and to redouble its efforts on inclusion. his concern he said was not only for
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people at the top level, but also young players coming through the academies. i am just young players coming through the academies. i amjust as young players coming through the academies. i am just as worried about the kids in the academies, if you think, one in 10,000 of us is going to make it to play in the premier league, and, they think, i'm not sure how my coach or manager feels about this, so why would i make it known? some really interesting comments from fa boss craig clarke come admitting that there are serious issues in the men's game which need to be addressed. the ashes series down under could be in doubt, is that white? yes, absolutely, it is incredible, really. but that ashes series could be in doubt in november because of a players' contract dispute. in march, cricket australia opposed salary increases for men and women, but this would mean that players no longer receive a percentage of total cricket revenue. this offer was rejected by the
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players. as a result, with contracts running out on the 30th ofjune, there is a stand—off between cricket australia and the association which represents the players. 0pening batsman david warner has been especially vocal about the issue. he said, if it comes to the extreme, there might not even be an australian team for the ashes. he said there would be uncertainty over what team australia could field after the 30th of june. what team australia could field after the 30th ofjune. the ashes is due to take place from november to january. straneo's elite female players have shown solidarity with their male counterparts running the offer from crooked australia to double the pay of elite women. over a period of two years in the 1960s, ian brady and his lover, myra hindley, kidnapped and murdered five children aged between 10 and 17 in north—west england. the details of the crimes shocked the nation, and continue to, compounded by the complete lack of remorse either showed during their subsequent murder trial.
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newsreel: the pennine moorlands, the scene of one of the most intensive murder hunts of the century. police and hundreds of volunteers continue their gruesome search for the bodies of murder victims, working on a scant tip—off that the bleak moors hide the evidence of a mass murderer. a mobile police headquarters directs operations. police and tracker dogs have stepped up the search since the body of ten—year—old ann downey was found here. she had been missing since last boxing day. nearby, the hunt also revealed the grave of 12—year—old john kilbride. 0ur cameraman was on the spot when more clues were discovered. tests may prove them to be of vital importance. over the course of the next few minutes, we'll remember the victims — the details of the way they died are upsetting. the five children ian brady and myra hindley sexually
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assaulted and murdered were... 16—year—old pauline reade, a neighbour of hindley‘s who disappeared on her way to a dance — the couple had planned what they called her "perfect murder". it was two decades before her parents found out what happened to her. a 16—minute tape of her murder was played in court. four months after pauline vanished, 12—year—old john kilbride became the second victim — hindley and brady offered him a lift home before attacking him. 12—year—old keith bennett was murdered in a lay—by near saddleworth moor — he'd also been sexually assaulted 10—year—old lesley ann downey, who the couple approached at a fair by asking her help with some dropped shopping. they took her back to the house and raped her before strangling her. her step—father, alan west, died last year, in an interview before his death he had said this of brady. before his death he had said this of brady... an apprentice engineer —
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who was beaten to death with an axe. the body of one of his victims, keith bennett, has never been found and ian brady repeatedly refused to reveal where he was buried. keith bennett's mother — winniejohnson pleaded with his killers to reveal where his body had been left so she could give him a proper burial. ijust hope he'll come forward and let me know where he is, either me or anybody. i don't care who it is. because i've had enough, ijust want it all over and done with. i'm going through hell with it. i've have a0 years of this, over a0 years. and i wantit coming to an end, and i want keith found. i've asked him before, when i found out that i'd got cancer and i said, "i want to know where keith is before anything happens to me," because i didn't know i was going to live,
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i didn't know i was going to die, so wanted the truth. she died never knowing where her son was buried. in a statement today greater manchester police say they'll never close the moors murder case and that, "hardly a week hardly goes by when we do not receive some information which purports to lead us to keith but ultimately only two people knew where keith is." had brady and hindley been caught in the immediate aftermath of 12—year—old john kilbride's death they would have hanged as the death penalty was still in place. but instead authorities were baffled by what they referred to as the "unrelated" cases, and were left without a single piece of solid evidence. in the meantime, brady and hindley were intent on a campaign to corrupt hindley‘s brother—in—law, david smith, and recruit him into their circle. it was david smith who reported brady and hindley to the police when they called at their home, they found the body of edward evans. here's david smith, speaking in 2011. notan
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not an indication. none whatsoever. he was a slightly eccentric friend. that's all. myra hindley died in prison in 2002. ian brady was 79 when he died at ashworth psychciatric hospital in merseyside, 51 years after he was convicted of those crimes. speaking about the case of victim lesley ann downey, former police officer norman brennan told of the "grief and torment" he had seen on the faces of her mother and father. these two individuals, myra hindley and ian brady, they murdered five young children, one of whom was, whose family i represented for many years. and when they murdered her, she was only ten years of age. she was lost on the moors and they recorded what they actually did to her. i remember standing with anne west,
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her mother and father a number of times, and i met them dozens of times, and the grief and torment that i saw in their faces was beyond, probably, many that i've actually met. i've met hundreds of families that have had somebody murdered, and it's always dreadful, there's never a nice way for anyone to be murdered. but to know that your daughter was lost, alone and murdered and then actually her death was recorded, the grief can never, ever be etched from your mind. and those two individuals, myra hindley and ian brady, they didn't just destroy five young children's lives, for their relentless appeals and false hopes that they gave the families for over 50 yea rs, destroyed all of the families as well, even to this day. ian brady spent 1a years on hunger strike, but in 2013 it was exposed as a charade after an inquest heard he made himself toast most mornings
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and had packets of soup. duncan staff has made a documentary about ian brady and myra hindley. he wrote a book called the lost boy. brendan pittaway is a journalist who received dozens of letters from brady and is in our salford newsroom. some are questioning why we're giving the death of ian brady airtime. what would you say? it's only to be expected. this brings to a close a traumatic chapter in british criminal history. the events of the mid—1960s still fascinate media and public alike and i think that even after brady's death that may well continue to be the case, possibly until keith bennet‘s body is recovered from the moors. duncan staff what motivated ian brady and myra hindley? ian brady when he met myra hindley? ian brady when he met myra hindley? ian brady when he met myra hindley he had a script and he
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recognised she was somebody that would be able to help him carry out the script. it and it was the idea ofa the script. it and it was the idea of a perfect murder. he thought he could rise above the rest of the world. she and brady viewed themselves as superior and committing the perfect murder was in a sense a way of confirming that superiority. and 00 had tried to claim that had been manipulated by brady. and taken along by him, that wasn't the case? when hindley died i wasn't the case? when hindley died i was left her unpublished antibiotic, 30 years of letters and that revealed how the murders came it pass and also her mindset and she wasn't manipulated by brady. he had the script, but she had the personality that enabled him to live it out and they were locked in this world together and they, appalling as it is, derived satisfaction from the murders and she was as much as
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pa rt of the murders and she was as much as part of it as he was. she tried to minimise it because she was trying to get out of prison. duncan, that's one thing that comes across in the brady letters. 0ne one thing that comes across in the brady letters. one of the reasons why he broke contact with myra hindley because he felt at the trial at inn 1966, he had, for want of a better phrase, tried to take the wrap and tried to minimise the sentence which she might incur as a result of the crimes and when she made a bid for parole, and started to tra nsfer made a bid for parole, and started to transfer blame to brady's shoulders, that's when he broke off contact with her. and there was certainly no love lost between him and her in the letters which he had written to me which referred to their relationship. can you read us some extracts from the letters? certainly, one of the interesting passages is in a letterfrom 1989, passages is in a letterfrom1989, one of 36 letters, some of them were
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quite short and clipped and curt and there might be a month's gap between them, others came in flows and it was almost as though they matched his mood. this one refers to four other killings that he was claiming credit for. two in greater manchester. the man on the waste ground behind the station and the woman in the canal which i detailed to topping, that's peter topping the police officer who was leading the reopened investigation. he also says, "i wrote a statement, four pages of full scalp in length to scrath clyde police re the murder in glasgow and a second above loch long. the responses was re the man in glasgow, records don't go back that far. rethe man in loch long there is no record of a missing person." what did the police say? i
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spoke to the police to try and match brady's account with the actual police record and there was no definitive answer. i had a conversation, formal conversation with one officer, who blanched at the mention of brady's name and said, "i'll pretend i didn't hear that because with that man comes a circus." he knew that the attention which might be drawn to an unsolved case 01’ even an which might be drawn to an unsolved case or even an allegedly unsolved case or even an allegedly unsolved case which involved ian brady would generate huge attention and mean a lot of pressure, additional pressure on strathclyde police. duncan staff, tell us about the control that ian brady continued to try to maintain from behind bars? well, he was very upset as brendan said when myra hindley ended the relationship and he punished her by revealing there were in fact another
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two murders and that helped ensure she would die behind bars. he also, speaking to psychiatrist professor malcolm mccullagh, he said that what you see in that is the desire for control and the desire for possession of the body. in his words... you're talking about the remains of keith bennet the remains of keith bennet. and brady never revealed where they are? in professor mccullagh's view, to use what brady's thought pattern is, he said final possession is control of the body. i know, you don't know, you want to know, and i'm not going to tell you. there are some papers, are there not, which potentially, potentially, we don't know because we haven't seen them, could, could reveal some details, is this true? brady did send papers out of ashworth. nobody knows what is in
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the papers. who did he send them to? toa the papers. who did he send them to? to a contact. the person questioned that person. who knows if there is anything in it. brady said there was, againi anything in it. brady said there was, again i return to malcolm mccullagh's thought which is the need for control. i don't know if he would want to give up where keith bennet was buried. brady was a very controlling figure. interestingly in some of the letters he does suggest that he was willing to assist with a more vigorous and reopened investigation to find the body. he actually points out that one of the reasons why greater manchester police were limited in his opinion and the efforts which they made were because he had pointed out that keith bennet‘s body wasn't on the pa rt keith bennet‘s body wasn't on the part of the moors which is covered by greater manchester, but actually in west yorkshire. he had suggested that greater manchester employ or deploy a squad of 100 officers. he also offered to under go treatment
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using sodium, a truth drug in an effort to assist. but as duncan refers, and is apparent from the letters, brady almost engaged in a game of cat and mouse. it's tease, throwing out some details, sufficient details to interest, but not necessarily sufficient to bring the matter to a close. can you read us another extract from the letters? yes, i moon, he actually says as for keith bennet the area of the site is in yorkshire, not lancashire and should have been dealt with by yorkshire police. i have already stated my readiness to questioning under sodium, so—called truth drug, but not by the manchester police. unlike myra hindley‘s alleged willingness to be hype know advertised, i am a patient, not a prisoner and i'm resident in a hospital with the proper facilities resident in a hospital with the properfacilities and resident in a hospital with the proper facilities and supervise for such an operation. of course, hard
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tojudge from his mental state whether anything he was writing is true or not? indeed. there is this fascinating dynamic, the dilemma between whether someone is mad and bad or both. certainly, i think that in the conversation with psychiatrists that i've spoken to and including some individuals who had previously worked with brady, he was clearly psychopathic. there are suggestions that he had been suffering from progressive schizophrenia in his final years, but what he did not necessarily lose, despite any failing mental faculties was his grasp ofjust how important the case is and his ego tism made sure that he was not prepared to show his hand and risk the case itself being relegated.
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duncan, they took photos of the killing scenes. they recorded one of their victims as she died. why would they do that? again, it's about control and ownership. 0ne they do that? again, it's about control and ownership. one of the things that emerged from myra hindley's unpublished antibiotic is the taking of photographs was systematic so they took photographs of where they were going bury victims, they took photographs of the victims once he had been killed and photographs of myra hindley posing on the site afterwards. there was nothing accidental, it was entirely planned and we talk about brady hiding the truth, but hindley did the same thing. she knew up to the point of her death that the syste m the point of her death that the system existed and it only emerged after her death when her estate handed me the material to try and answer how these killings had taken place and to try and help find the final victim. right. what have ashworth hospital said to you? well, certainly the contact said to you? well, certainly the co nta ct has said to you? well, certainly the contact has been fairly brief because, of course, the hospital and
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the home office are keen to make sure that this is just regarded as another patient, another inmate. they don't necessarily want to attach any special significance to brady and his death even though there is this continuing fascination with the case and the evil deeds of brady and his accomplice, myra hindley. thank you very much. still to come... labour unveils its manifesto this morning, promising it will govern for the "many not the few". we'll look at whether policies such as a pay levy on salaries above £330,000 a year, more free childcare, and nationalisation, will be popular with you the voters. and sex and the city star kim cattrall willjoin us in the studio to talk about the work she's doing to try and combat ageism and sexism in hollywood. now, a summary of today's news. greater manchester police say
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they will never close the case of the moors murders, despite the death of ian brady at the age of 79. he had been receiving palliative care in a secure unit at ashworth hospital, where he had been detained since 1985. brady and his partner myra hindley tortured and murdered five children in the 1960s, burying their bodies on saddleworth moor in the pennines. labour will publish its general election manifesto later this morning. the proposals include charging companies a rising levy on salaries above £330,000 a year, and it's thought people earning over £80,000 will have to pay more tax. a draft document leaked last week included plans to nationalise the railways, the national grid and royal mail — the official manifesto is expected to include plans to nationalise england's nine regional water companies. this morning on bbc news, ben brown
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will be putting your questions about the labour manifesto to sarah champion. and you can get involved... plaid cymru will promise to make the best of brexit for wales when it launches its manifesto this morning. the party wants the welsh government to have a say on any future uk trade deal — and says it won't rest until "every single penny" of lost eu funding is replaced. it is also promising to build new hospitals, schools, roads and railways as part of a fully—costed investment programme. the white house has flatly rejected media allegations that president trump revealed highly classified intelligence about the islamic state group to the russian foreign minister in washington last week. the claims were made in several american newspapers including the washington post. president trump's team have dismissed the reports as more "fake news". the president did not disclose any
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military operations that were not already known, to any other mill military officials who were present. i was military officials who were present. iwas in military officials who were present. i was in the room, it didn't happen. nursing leaders have warned that cuts to services in england are jeopardising health. the royal couege jeopardising health. the royal college of nursing says the number of health visitors has fallen by 1000 and the number of school nurses is down by 16% since 2010. the conservatives say they are protecting children by spending more than £3 billion on public health last year. and comic actress miranda has ruled out making a film version of her hit sitcom. its star, miranda hart, told bbc radio 4 extra she had been in talks with bbc films about making a movie, but concluded that the transition from studio sitcom to film rarely works. she said what finally made up her mind was reading that the writer of dad's army, jimmy perry, who died last october, thought it would be a bad move.
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the infection figures are just in. the infection figures are just in. the rate rose to 2.7% in april, up from 2.3% in march, according to the 0ffice from 2.3% in march, according to the office for national statistics. time for the sport now. champions chelsea celebrated with their home fans last night after beating watford 11—3 at stamford, which. pep guardiola says he has been given a second chance at manchester city, after failing a
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trophy. he said if he had been at bayern munich or barcelona, he might have been sacked by now. david warner has said that the ashes series this year could be in doubt because of a dispute in australia over pay. michael vaughan said he could expect something similar possibly in england. finally, roger federer has pulled out of the french 0pen federer has pulled out of the french open and will skip the clay—court season altogether. he is not injured but says he wants to concentrate on the grass and hard court season, including wimbledon which of course he has won seven times. next this morning — meet the canvassers who are too young to vote but are out campaigning on the streets. 0ur reporter catrin nye spent an evening in sheffield, peterborough and richmond with the leafleters trying to win over the public. these three can't even vote. but after school, they're banging on doors for the parties they believe in. may i ask who you're intending on voting for? we're just checking if you know how
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you'll be voting yet? trying to use their youthful charm... are you voting for us today? i'll definitely be voting for you. that's wonderful, yes. to win your vote. this is hani, he's 16. he's half sudanese, half czech, and moved to the uk when he was two. he's a passionate conservative. i think theresa may, she relates to people like me. that's why i think she'll be such a great prime minister. why does she relate to you? i think, in the conservative party, it's about working hard, doing the right thing. provided you do the right thing, support your family, work hard, you'll go as far as your talents will take you. he lives in peterborough with his six brothers and sisters. the men in the family all share a similar talent. you're all kick boxers. oh, yeah. all of us are boxers. yeah. world champion. we leave politics to hani and we do sport. my mother was the politician in the family and i think she passed that gene to hani. she worked with the united nations. she was a decorated
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politician, i could say. today he's canvassing for his local conservative candidate, stuart jackson. strong and stable leadership for the united kingdom. absolutely. alongside local tory councillor, john peach. a good team member? a very good team member. very enthusiast. very knowledgeable. and very intelligent. ah! and good on the doorstep. i didn't pay him to say that. don't worry. 100 miles away in richmond park in south london... hello. elizabeth. yes. hello. nice to meet you. elizabeth is 16 and a committed supporter of the liberal democrats, even though her parents are both conservative voters. we're very proud of elizabeth that she has her own mind. bothjohn and myself would vote tory. do you ever think you'll change each other‘s minds? i don't think i'll ever be able to persuade dad. he's voted tory since for ever. i think mum, maybe. i think there are things that change when you have a family, you become less idealistic.
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0bviously i'd say this but i can't ever see myself becoming conservative in, like, any future — ever. well, we're going to argue, 0k. i think the lib dems are the only party to stand up for the freedom of the individual and also the only party, mostly, to stand up for our place in the european union. she's out canvassing for lib dem candidate sarah 0lney, who won a by—election here only last december. it's great to have anybody who's enthused about politics and people who really want to make a difference. but, i've noticed, there's quite a lot of young people who are getting very enthusiastic about politics. 22 is over there. in sheffield central, we have luke. also 16 and labour through and through. both of luke's parents are unemployed and he's decided he wants a career in politics. in government, we had a very, very strong record. we brought social justice on to the agenda. we invested in the nhs, we invested in infrastructure. i think everyone should be able to have that sort of kick start in life and the best possible beginning for them.
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we're very, very proud of luke. you have to break through the apathy, so it's really helpful when you've got guys like luke. of course, they've timed the election kind of badly for luke. as soon as she called the election, i was like, why has she done it to ruin my gcses, like? did you think it was personal? yeah. she's done it because she hates me. she knows what a good campaigner for labour he is, so she thought she'd take him out of the equation, i think. today he's joining a canvassing group to try to persuade people to keep voting labour here. the party secured a massive 17,000 majority at the last general election here but are worried about a lib dem comeback. in elizabeth's richmond park, it was a lib dem victory last time but a very tight race with the then independent, now conservative, candidate, zac goldsmith. and in peterborough, hani and his team are trying to hold onto a small conservative majority. this is a canvass card. we've got everybody who's on the electoral register.
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shall we get started then? yeah, i'm going to start with number seven. you can go and do a5. hi, sir. i'm very sorry to bother you. hi. i'm elizabeth from the lib dems and i'm just calling on behalf of the party. hi, love. i'm calling on behalf of the local labour party about the election. may i ask you who you are intending on voting for? the conservative candidate. excellent. will you be voting for us today? i will definitely be voting for you. that's wonderful. yes. we're just checking if you know how you're going to be voting yet. yeah, i'll be voting labour. that's brilliant. why? because i'm liberal and i'm democratic. no question whatsoever? no question because what we're getting at the moment from theresa may is a lot of empty promises. the two options arejeremy corbyn and theresa may. theresa may has shown she has the strong, stable leadership. theresa may and the strong, stable leadership. theresa may, you've got the strong and stable leadership of her government. the alternative isjeremy corbyn and his coalition of chaos,
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utter chaos, really. the lib dems who are weak. it's just really about weighing up those... how many times are you going to say it today? well... i'll say it. theresa's strong and stable... four, yellow conservative? a yellow conservative is a likely conservative but he also might tend towards the lib dems. number eight has some labour voters that i think can be squeezed into lib dem. they're fun to campus because obviously you have to try to persuade them to vote for you. you know what liberalism means? another form of insanity. oh, really. do you want to go and find 64? you've got children, haven't you? why aren't you at home looking after your kids? we're just calling today on behalf of the local conservative team. we'll vote labour. probably, my husband is at home looking after the children.
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isee. i want a word with your husband. it smells like someone is cooking a really nice dinner. i know. get the spag bol out. 0k. you don't think he should. no, not really. not in the natural form. like it or not, jeremy corbyn is head of the labour party. i know he's been portrayed very poorly, ithink, in the media. i think they're all as bad as one another, probably. borisjohnson, you know. cut and run. mummy with the kids, the man at work. what if i said he was really happy to do it? well, i think you might have talked him into it, liberalised him into it. there's someone in, i can see. can you come and talk to us? i'm not a fan of tim farron, i'm afraid. come and have a chat. hiya, love. can i ask why you're not a fan of tim farron? i find him to not be a very convincing speaker, and sometimes he can be little bit petty. who do normally vote for? i have been a liberal all my life. always lib dem.
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with grammar schools, rather than driving social mobility, which theresa may keeps on suggesting they do, actually, just looking at the figures. it shows they... i went to a grammar school. i witnessed first hand. they are fantastic. i would much rather vote labour than tory. i've never voted tory, nor will i ever in my life. ijust think this country hasn't got a credible leader in the labour party. the deal that we get after we triggered article 50, will be a bad deal. whatever. i think they don't want to encourage other countries from leaving. is that really an organisation we want to be a member of, if they are petty enough to not want to give...? they're not being petty, they are trying to make the project work, which i think is a really good project. i managed to have a good start in life. since the tory government has come in, life for me and my family has got harder to get on. let me summarise, the big issues for you... brexit. get on with it. exactly. and grammar schools. grammar schools, yeah, a big issue for me. and you don't like tim farron. not a fan of tim farron. so it's not looking good. those are like my three issues, but the other way round! you need to keep this film because he might be prime minister.
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he said he didn't want to talk about being prime minister. so flattered. what do you think? do you think he's got a chance? i would think so. if it hadn't been this young man, iwould have disappeared in my garden. i wanted to... i could see he's a young person coming round to do it. that makes a difference? it did to me. presumably you want to go into politics at some time? hopefully. what's your name again? luke. luke bassett. i'll look out for you, luke. i think you might have made a difference there. might have got something, yeah. and if you want to watch that film again or share it, please head to our programme page bbc.co.uk/victoria. and we're going to be in dunstable in bedfordshire on monday 29th may for a big election audience debate. if you've made up your mind already who you're going to vote for, still deciding or don't think you'll bother and would like the chance
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to share your views and grill senior politicians on their policies, get in touch to apply for a place. victoria@bbc.co.uk more details on our facebook and twitter pages. that's dunstable in bedfordshire, bank holiday monday, monday, 29th may between 9am and 11am if you want to ta ke may between 9am and 11am if you want to take part and we really, really hope you do because we need some voters to talk to the senior politicians. send me an e—mail. right, the latest inflation figures are out. andy is here. it has gone 7 are out. andy is here. it has gone t are out. andy is here. it has gone up? it has. prices are up by 2.7%. the consumer prices index, the official measure of inflation is at its highest in four years. 2.7% is close to where the bank of england
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said it would peak at the end of this year. they said they expected it to get up to 2.8. so it is nudging that level. the bad news, of course, is that wages aren't keeping up course, is that wages aren't keeping up with the price rises so at the last count, and that's data from two or three months a the average wage rise excluding bonuses was up by 2.296, rise excluding bonuses was up by 2.2%, with inflation up by 2.7%, i'm afraid the squeeze on living standards, ie people's real income, their purchasing power falling, that's all back. explain what inflation is? it is the rise in prices, the rise in the cost of living. so the gap between the cost of stuff that we buy, and our average earnings is getting bigger? yes. price are rising faster than wages and if you want to break down the prices you have some fascinating detail which we don't go into within the inflation numbers, they have their basket of goods that they buy, of course. so for example if you wa nt to of course. so for example if you want to frighten yourself, processed fruit is up by 8.2%. there are some
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other numbers for example, fish, up by 8.1%. why is other numbers for example, fish, up by 8.196. why is that? well, a large pa rt by 8.196. why is that? well, a large part of the reason, not the whole of it, is the weaker pound. the weak pound can be good economically in the sense that exporters can be more competitive because dollars or euros buy more pounds so it is easier for foreign buyers to purchase our goods. because it's cheaper? but the flip side is we import most of what we consume and when we're importing we're paying for pounds and exchanging them for dollars or euros. therefore, it costs more and that pushes up the price we pay for our goods. some of this imported inflation caused by the devaluation of the pound before and after the referendum. thank you very much. labour will publish their manifesto in an hourand labour will publish their manifesto in an hour and ten minutes.
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the party describes as "radical and responsible". a draft document leaked last week included plans to nationalise the the railways, the national grid and royal mail. the official manifesto will also include plans to nationalise england's nine regional water companies. rebecca long—bailey, who is in bradford for the manifesto launch can tell us. this is a transformational ma nifesto. this is a transformational manifesto. it is about building a fairer britain for the many, not the few and we've had seven years of disastrous policy from the tory party. they haven't improved standards and haven't improved the productivity of businesses so we need to have a new deal for our economy and a fairer deal for british people. you're planning to spend according to the institute of fiscal studies upwards of £75 billion. why is that a good thing? well, the institute for fiscal
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studies, not that i am aware, have seen ourfinal studies, not that i am aware, have seen our final manifesto, so studies, not that i am aware, have seen ourfinal manifesto, so i studies, not that i am aware, have seen our final manifesto, so i won't comment on what they have seen or what they have assessed, but i'm sure they will provide a full reassessment after the manifesto has been published. it will go up, it will be above £75 billion. explain why it's a good thing to spend upwards of that? well, i won't comment on specific figures as i've said. they will be referred in our ma nifesto said. they will be referred in our manifesto when it is launched at 11am. the government has a duty to ensure that businesses have the tools that they need to thrive and prosper, infrastructure, skills, research and development, we need to set—up our economy for the future and to do that we have to invest. 0k. have you added up all your spending? we have. we've got a fully costed manifesto. at 11am, there will abtotal figures costed manifesto. at 11am, there will abtotalfigures for costed manifesto. at 11am, there will abtotal figures for voters to look at and judge you on? there will
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be. as i have said, it is a fully costed manifesto. every spending commitment we've made has been fully costed and dealt with in the ma nifesto costed and dealt with in the manifesto itself in terms of tax receipts. right, do you know what the total is? well, i'm afraid you'll have to wait for that. i'm not asking you what the total, i'm asking you if know what the total is?|j what the total, i'm asking you if know what the total is? i do, but i don't want to ruin the surprise victoria. you want to buy back the private water companies. the market value of money of them is £12 billion and this not included in the institute for fiscal studies estimate of what you're going to spend. are you sure it's wise to buy back all the regional water companies? well, as i said i won't comment on leaks. you'll have to wait for the full manifesto, but we are examining looking at giving greater control over the water sector. now in terms of the water companies themselves, it's sector. now in terms of the water companies themselves, its estimated that it will cost a total of over
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£32 billion to bring them back into public ownership. any deal potentially will be the subject of negotiation between parliament and the water companies themselves and let's remember that these water companies have paid out up to £18 billion in dividends over the last ten years. so it's not a case of investing in an industry that isn't going to make money. it's investing in an industry that's productive and we wa nt in an industry that's productive and we want to bring costs down for water payers at the end of that. you're going to make headteachers and doctors pay thousands more pounds in tax each year. yet you're also going to pay the school dinners, childcare fortwo also going to pay the school dinners, childcare for two to four—year—olds and tuition fees of not just low income families, four—year—olds and tuition fees of notjust low income families, but wealthy families, that's incoherent, isn't it? no, it's not because education should be available to all. even people who can pay? well, we wa nt all. even people who can pay? well, we want britain to be an aspirational nation and it is not fairto
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aspirational nation and it is not fair to penalise one income group over the in terms of education. every child has the right and every student has the right to a decent education. low income families will be subsidising the wealthy families to send their kids to uni? every child and every student has the right to an education, victoria and it isn't fair to distinguish between income groups. in terms of the tax that those earning over £80,000 are going to pay. you will see from the ma nifesto going to pay. you will see from the manifesto that it's a fair taxation system and we've aimed to protect 95% of middle and low income earners, that's 95% of the population. so are you saying it is fairto make population. so are you saying it is fair to make people like doctors and headteachers pay more? it's fair to have a fair taxation system where everybody pays a proportion that is fairand everybody pays a proportion that is fair and that's certainly what we're setting out to do both in terms of income tax for those over £80,000 and also in terms of our business
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taxation system overall. where is cutting the deficit on your list of priorities? well, it's part of our fiscal rule. we've said that we will reduce the deficit over a five year period and we'll also reduce the public sector net debts as a proportion of gdp so it's public sector net debts as a proportion of gdp so its lower at the end of parliament than it is at the end of parliament than it is at the start. by which year will the £52 billion deficit be paid off under a labour government? well, it's a five year period that allows for economic shocks and any changes in market conditions to happen. over the course in the next parliament you'll reduce the deficit to zero? well, we'll reduce it over a five year rolling period. i'm asking when you will have wiped tout, when you will have balanced the books, what year will that be? well, as i said, we would aim to reduce the deficit by the end of that five year period, but we give ourselves flexibility to deal with any unforeseen situations that might occur over that period.
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right. so, and so how will you reduce £52 billion deficit by 2022? well, this is about setting out a new economic deal, victoria... so tell us how? investing in infrastructure, skills, research and development, we want to grow our businesses. we want to make sure that the burden on them is reduced so we've put forward proposals in terms of business rates. we wanted to exempt certain classes of plant and machinery so businesses were given the ability to grow their businesses. i have an example of a manufacturer in the north—west who wa nted manufacturer in the north—west who wanted reshore part of its supply chain and bring a company overfrom poland and it would have created hundreds ofjobs, poland and it would have created hundreds of jobs, but poland and it would have created hundreds ofjobs, but they poland and it would have created hundreds of jobs, but they were poland and it would have created hundreds ofjobs, but they were put off doing that. so, potentially, the economy has been held back and we are looking to make sure that it can maximise its full potential. thank
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you very much, rebecca long—bailey. let's talk now to neil coyle, one of the most vocal critics ofjeremy corbyn on labour's benches who has been a labour mp since the last election. joe twyman, head of social and political research at yougov who can explain which of labour's plans are popular or otherwise. joe, the most popular labour promises and the least popular? well, in the stuff that we've tested we've found things like controlling rent so that the rises can only be in line with inflation. the majority of people support that. in fact nearly two—thirds of people support it of the less popular, you have britain only leaving the eu if a new trade deal is struck. it is a range of things, but it is worth pointing out that people don't actually vote on manifestos generally speaking. think of it like a restaurant. a ma nifesto think of it like a restaurant. a manifesto is a menu and you might
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like some bits on the machine u, you might like other bits, but ultimately if the restaurant doesn't look that good, you probably won't eat there. is the restaurant jeremy corbyn, is that what you're saying? it's the labour party and jeremy corbyn is perhaps the guy at the front. ok. answer that point neil coyle or respond to that point that actually, you know, it might be the messenger, some of the promises are really popular, but the idea of jeremy corbyn as prime minister running the labour party from ten downing street not? well, in bermondsey and southwark, it is a lib dem—labourfight bermondsey and southwark, it is a lib dem—labour fight and i bermondsey and southwark, it is a lib dem—labourfight and i have bermondsey and southwark, it is a lib dem—labour fight and i have yet to meet anyone who would think farron would make a nicer restaurant than corbyn. my team spoke to 1,000 people on sunday alone and some of the policies and the issues that labour are the policies and the issues that labourare on the policies and the issues that labour are on top of on homes, on education and policing are what people raise as their primary concerns people raise as their primary concerns and want to see addressed.
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that's what they need to feel we are on top of. brexit is still a big issue and i make no bones about the fa ct issue and i make no bones about the fact that if i'm re—elected i'll maintain the position in opposing leaving the european union. the best deal the prime minister can get... 0pposing leaving the european union or the single market? the european union. that's dead and buried, isn't it? no, i don't believe it is. the reason we have this election now is because theresa may knows over the next two years the negotiations unravel. it becomes clear what the costs and consequences are. we are already feeling them in terms of university, public sector recruitment, businesses, already you saw today, inflation, the pound has dropped. businesses are feeling that already. they're investing in amsterdam instead of london. we need to make sure the prime minister is still held to account for what could bea still held to account for what could be a very disastrous brexit. there is no hard or soft brexit. it is a disastrous brexit. you're expecting theresa may to win? the poll, you've got yougov sat here, the polling
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suggests that she is going to be elected so it is really important that people are, you know, looking at who will provide the best opposition and who will keep the focus on. theresa may has been in charge of policing as home secretary and policing, in southwark we lost 200 police officers and pscos, we have seen knife crime on the rise and businesses let down because the police cannot investigate, they don't have the resources to investigate all crime in southwark. that is a fundamental failing and theresa may is totally responsible. she had seven years with lib dem support for five. that's the dabbling she caused in my constituency and that's one of the issues that comes up again and again and again on the doorstep. thank you very much, neil and joe. coming up, the welsh nationalist party plaid cymru is to launch its election manifesto promising to "overcome threats and seize opportunities" from brexit. that's at 10am. let's get the latest weather update with carol.
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congratulations on your bafta. congratulations on your baftai thought you were never going to mention it, carol. well done. today's weather, well it is worth more than a fiver. you can see a beautiful picture from our weather watchers of east sussex. lovely blue skies. compare that to cornwall, there is low cloud and it's damp and then as we head off towards dudley, again a lot of cloud around. soa towards dudley, again a lot of cloud around. so a real variation, towards dudley, again a lot of cloud around. so a realvariation, but towards dudley, again a lot of cloud around. so a real variation, but one thing that is a common factor is that it thing that is a common factor is thatitis thing that is a common factor is that it is very muggy to start the day. we're looking at 20 celsius in parts of the east. you can see where we've had the rain. some of it heavy across wales. now, this line of rain here is going to slowly push south—east wards during the day, but it won't get into the far south—east where it will remain muggy and sunny and behind it, we've got rain whipping across northern ireland and scotla nd whipping across northern ireland and scotland moving on from the west to the east and behind that, we are
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looking at a mixture of sunshine and showers and wherever you are, a breezy day. into the afternoon, murky across the south—west of englandment here is the rain pushing through devon, somerset and dorset and gloucestershire and for wales, the rain will have cleared, but in its wake there will be a lot of cloud left behind and hill fog and damp conditions. as for northern ireland, where the rain clears you've got a sunny day ahead and across scotland it is a mixture of sunshine and showers. if you're somewhere like the moray firth this afternoon, temperatures could get up to into the high teens and that will feel pleasant. north—west england, bright spells of sunshine and showers and then we run into a band of rain heading towards the midlands. ahead of it more cloud. east anglia, essex and kent, and the isle of wight hanging on to sunshine and here is where we will see the highest temperatures, a sticky 2a or possibly 25 celsius. in the sunshine further north, it will still feel pleasant and it will feel that bit fresher. the evening and overnight, here is our band of rain continuing towards
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the south east. sultry in the south. clearer skies. if you are tomorrow, we have got the rain. it will pep up during the afternoon. as we look behind it for north wales, northern england, into scotland, and also northern ireland, we've got sunshine and again, showers. still pleasant in the sunshine and sultry and muggy in the south. we could see similar temperatures to today. wednesday night, we have got heavier rain pushing across us. it will clear away and on thursday it is a mixture of sunshine and showers and feeling fresher. hello, it's tuesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. the notorious moors murderer ian brady has died. with the help of his girlfriend, myra hindley, he killed five
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children in the 1960s. he never showed any remorse. they saw themselves as superior, and committing the perfect murder, as they saw it, was part of that. it is about building a pharaoh britain, for the many, it is about building a pharaoh britain, forthe many, not it is about building a pharaoh britain, for the many, not the few, after seven disastrous years of the tories. we will look at the mcdonald's advert which focuses on child who has lost his father. we will consider how the advert affects children who have been bereaved. and sex and the city star kim
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cattrall will be here. how many sexual partners have you had? i'm cohen. if you have a question for kim, do get in touch this morning. good morning. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. greater manchester police say they will never close the case of the moors murders, despite the death of ian brady at the age of 79. he had been receiving palliative care in a secure unit at ashworth hospital, where he had been detained since 1985. brady and his partner myra hindley tortured and murdered five children in the mid—1960s, burying their bodies on saddleworth moor in the pennines.
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the man who made a documentary told this programme that brady had a script in his head when he met my 20. he knew what he wanted to do and he recognised that with myra hindley, it was somebody with the personality which would enable him to carry out a script. it was his idea of the perfect murder, which was an american book that he beds. he thought that he could rise above the rest of the world, he and brady occupied what they viewed as a world above, they viewed themselves as superior, and committing the perfect murder was in a sense a way of confirming that superiority. labour is due to publish its ma nifesto labour is due to publish its manifesto shortly. a draft document lea ked manifesto shortly. a draft document leaked last week included plans to nationalise the railways, the national grid and the royal mail.
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the manifesto is expected also to nationalise the nine english regional water companies as well. and today at 12.30 on bbc news, ben brown will be putting your questions about the manifesto to labour's sarah champion. you can get in touch? that's a summary of plaid cymru is due to launch its ma nifesto plaid cymru is due to launch its manifesto within the next few minutes. the party wants the welsh government to have a say on any future uk trade deal. it says it will not rest until every penny of lost eu funding is replaced. it says it wants to new holes schools, hospitals and railways. inflation has risen sharply to its highest level since september 2013. the rate rose to 2.7% in april from 2.3% month before. it was partly due to the higher cost of road tax and
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clothing. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live. and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. here's some sport now. chelsea will not receive the premier league trophy until sunday, when they take on relegated sunderland at sta mford they take on relegated sunderland at stamford bridge. but they gave their fa ns ple nty stamford bridge. but they gave their fans plenty to cheer last night with another win, a thrilling victory over watford. john terry scored the opener. watford were 3—1 down but got themselves back into it. but cesc fabregas popped up with two minutes remaining to make it 11—3 to chelsea. it was league victory number29, chelsea. it was league victory number 29, equalling the record number 29, equalling the record number of wins in a premier league season. football association chairman greg clarke says his attem pts chairman greg clarke says his atte m pts to chairman greg clarke says his attempts to hold talks with gay
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footballers are failing. he says the players are reticent to engage with him. he says, while a lot of speculation surrounds players coming out, he is equally concerned by the younger players who might be affected. i am just younger players who might be affected. i amjust as younger players who might be affected. i am just as worried about the kids of 16 or 17 in academies who think, one of 10,000 of us are going to make premier league players and i'm not sure how my coach or manager or anybody else feels about 93v manager or anybody else feels about gay people. so why would i make it harderfor gay people. so why would i make it harder for myself? roger federer has pulled out of the french open and will skip the clay—court season altogether. he is not injured but says he wants to concentrate on the grass and hard court season is to come. he has won wimbledon seven times. if he does it again, it would be major number 19. pledges on mental health have been a big part of the general election campaign.
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labour say they'll spend more money on services, while theresa may has promised to abolish a key bit of legislation, the mental health act, which she described as "flawed". nhs data crunched by bbc yorkshire shows there's been a big increase in the number of detentions under the mental health act carried out across england in the last five years. the number of detentions rose by over 10,000 to almost 39,000. it's been a particularly contentious bit of legislation because of the way it allows the authorities to forcibly detain people against their will if they are thought to be a danger to themselves or others. it's known as sectioning. mind, the leading mental health charity, is now calling for a review of the act. let's talk to oh refan who suffers from anxiety — he was detained in a police cell after having serious mental health episode. karl knights, who was detained under the mental health act as a first—year university student, and vicki nash from mind. hello all of you. vicki, can you explain to the audience the criteria for detaining somebody under the
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mental health act? well, it is an incredibly compact piece of legislation, so where do you start with it, really? there is a number of different criteria, but it is definitely linked to a person's diagnosis and the impact that diagnosis and the impact that diagnosis has on them, but more importantly, the risk, whether that person is a risk to themselves or considered to be a risk to others. it is called being sectioned, being admitted to a hospital, whether or not you agree to it, and thatjust means, the section of a paragraph from the actor? exactly. and there is lots of different types of sections, so lots of ways you could be detained under the actor. karl, you were detained under the actor last year, what happened? i was in my first year at university and i have suffered from depression for a long time and i refused treatment and things. eventually, i caused a disturbance at my university bar and my university has a security
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service, they came by and said, you're causing a disturbance eddie howe was not in a good way, i was screaming and crying and it was just a very ugly scene. then the police arrived, and to their credit, they obviously knew that something was amiss in terms of my mental health and my general well— being, amiss in terms of my mental health and my generalwell—being, and amiss in terms of my mental health and my general well—being, and then i was detained under section 136 of the mental health act. and taken where? i was taken to a local psychiatric unit, where i was assessed and the recommendation was that i should go into hospital, which i then did. oli, your situation was different, tell us about that? well, i was at home, i was going through a bad state, had split up with my girlfriend and lost my, who is i was arguing with my mum at the same time. all of that together just made at the same time. all of that togetherjust made me switch and be a different person to what i normally was. i've, however. hole through the ceiling, my mum didn't
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know how to deal with it, me being quite large lad and my mum not being too big, she rang the police. she didn't know what to do. so, they have arrested me and put me in cuffs and put me in the car like a normal criminaland and put me in the car like a normal criminal and tried to take me to the local mental health unit. i don't know whether there was no beds or it was not open all, theyjust could not get me in there so i was arrested and put in a cell for more than 17 hours. and it was one of the most terrifying thing is that i have ever been through. having a mental health problem, it is like being in a cell in your brain anyway. so you are ina a cell in your brain anyway. so you are in a cell in a cell, with nothing which is going to comfort you at all. i was not even allowed anyone to speak to. i was so bad that i started punching the wall, writing, help me, in blood, to get some help. if there is anywhere else, a police cell could be a safe space for you, do you accept that? yeah, ido, but space for you, do you accept that? yeah, i do, but there should be
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someone there. someone there to witness whether you are all right, you know? yeah. a big rise in five yea rs, you know? yeah. a big rise in five years, what do you put it down to? actually we're getting need more research, but it is likely to be related to an issue with bed management. we know that in some parts of the culturally there are shortages, others, they are not managing the bethany bell. anecdotally, we people —— we hear that people are saying, we will section you because we have not got any section you because we have not got a ny volu nta ry section you because we have not got any voluntary beds available. so there is a bed, but they are assigned either voluntarily or four people under the mental health act. if you're feeling unwell, you could present yourself to a hospital or seek hospital care, but say you do not want to be detained, you want to be able to go when you're ready. and what we're hearing anecdotally is that some people, both professionals and people in a mental health crisis, are saying, the only way
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that we can guarantee that you get the support you need and that you get into hospital is that we'll detain you, even though you don't necessarily need to be sectioned, but it is the only way we can guarantee that you will get that treatment, which is obviously com pletely treatment, which is obviously completely unacceptable. treatment, which is obviously completely unacce ptable.m treatment, which is obviously completely unacceptable. if the mental health act is abolished, what difference will that make? well, what mind is calling for is a fundamental review. but if theresa may is elected, she says she is going to scrap it. yeah, so we have said, whatever the new government is, a fundamental review. if it was scrapped, what does that mean, is it a good thing, or might some people end up harming themselves or others? so, you need to look at how the services interact with legislation. you will need safeguards for some people. some people, those safeguards are really important, so you need to look at how the services are supposed to work and when the
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safeguards should kick in. whether it is the scrapping or the reviewing ofan it is the scrapping or the reviewing of an actor, what we need to look at is, the current legislation is clearly not fit for purpose and either the government can look at improving the legislation that we have got, and there are so many ways of doing that, for example, there is a clause about your nearest relative, the person who you say, if iam in relative, the person who you say, if iamina relative, the person who you say, if i am in a crisis or i am sectioned, this is the person i want to protect my interests. that is based on a hierarchical list, it is not the person closest to you, it could be someone who is even in the abusive situation you are in. but you go on this ridiculous list, and everyone agrees that it is nonsensical. that is so old—fashioned! so old—fashioned is so old—fashioned! so old —fashioned and clearly is so old—fashioned! so old—fashioned and clearly not fit for purpose. karl, how do you reflect now on your experience of being detained? at the time it was very scary and terrifying, because i didn't really understand what was happening. but in retrospect, i'm immensely grateful, because i really
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believe that it saved my life. i would not be sat here today if i had not been detained, i don't think. it did save my life and it can do that for some people just being detained isn't necessarily a negative thing just it's definitely scary at the time, but in retrospect... raez 0lly, you were detained five yea rs raez 0lly, you were detained five years ago and you feel like you struggle with what happened to you then? yes, it scares me the fact that if i ever do anything wrong i'm going to be detained in that manner rather than he said, it helped him. i'm wondering if i was detained in the manner that he was, it would have helped me a lot more? but like you were saying about the abolishing the thing, would that not put more people in prison because they can't section you? what do you think, vicky? well, it's a really complicated piece of legislation and we need to make sure that people are getting the right treatment and
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support and preferably they get early intervention. we know more people are seeking help. they end up being sectioned and that's where you have seen a massive rise. the problem with services is a real issue and we really need to invest in our services, much more money, much more priority and making sure that we've got a workforce fit for purpose. i'm getting some help. i've had seven appointments with two different sky toll gists, i don't know how much that costs, but surely that could pay for the treatment getting done and i think there is too many appointments before you get something done. olly says, "i told my gp something done. olly says, "i told mygpi something done. olly says, "i told my gp i was suicidal. they sent the police to my house to section me." that is coming, that gp is coming from a good place, but it's the wrong execution if i can put it like that. this gp will have been really
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worried and thinks, "what can i do?" yes. nate hand, hi, "i suffer from bipolar and there is so much stigma. i was arrested and detained by the police and then i was given a fine because they were saying my illness was wasting police time." oh my god. but this was back in 2008. that's still horrific. you would like to think we have progressed in terms of our knowledge and understanding of mental health issues. actually the police have done a to, their credit, some of the police, we have seen really great strides in them trying to understand mental health a bit more. so, but it's about how the police work with the health system and at the moment the police are picking up the problem because the health system isn't coping. as we know, there is some really understanding police officers who end up in situations that they wouldn't really like to be n but
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they can see someone who is in desperate need of help and there is no one else, there is no other safety net. they provide the ultimate back stop. it is a tough job. some of the police are more trained than the gps in mental health now. that's mad. and you've got five minutes to tell them about how you're suffering with mental health. i've had problem and they're like, "you've run out of time now, you've got to go." it's ridiculous. so you want a review of the mental health act? we do. whoever wins. whoever wins the general election. labour are promising to spend a lot more on the nhs including mental health services. the conservatives have said they would find 10,000 extra mental health officials, professionals to work in the sector, but there is no new money to pay for that. how do you regard these promises in the run—up to an election in an area that you care so much about? well, i think a lot of people my age, we have heard these
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promises before and in terms of money being promised and things like say recently in the last government, money was say recently in the last government, money was promise add it was never ring—fenced and it got spent in other ways and people my age are seeing perpetual cuts which cuts in the police picking up the slack. since 20106700 mental health nurses and doctors have been cut from the nhs in england and now the conservatives are promising 10,000 more mental health professionals? we should be 3,000 up on what we should be. the workforce is a massive problem. so we have a really good national mental health plan which is called the five year forward view for mental health. it was agreed by the nhs england and by the government prior to the election. we're saying as part of the general election, everyone has to recommit to that plan, but that's a baby step to that plan, but that's a baby step to actually getting where we want to
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be which is having mental health on an equal footing with mental health and that's the bare minimum that we need to do. we're saying at least, you need at least an extra £500 million per year after that plan finishes in order to really start to raise those standards up. i mean we area raise those standards up. i mean we are a world away from where we need to be, but we have got a clear plan of where we need to get to, the government need to cough up to deliver that. it will cost money. thank you very much. thank you all of you for coming on the programme. we're going to be in dunstable in bedfordshire on monday, 29th may for a big election audience debate. join us if you can. all you need to do is send me an e—mail. it would be really good to see you and to hear you talk directly to senior politicians. more information on our facebook and twitter pages. next this morning —
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meet the canvassers who are too young to vote but are out campaigning on the streets. 0ur reporter catrin nye spent an evening in sheffield, peterborough and richmond with the leafleters trying to win over the public. these three can't even vote. but after school, they're banging on doors for the parties they believe in. this is hani, he's16. he's half sudanese, half czech, and moved to the uk when he was two. he's a passionate conservative. i think theresa may, she relates to people like me. that's why i think she'll be such a great prime minister. why does she relate to you? i think, in the conservative party, it's about working hard, doing the right thing. provided you do the right thing, support your family, work hard, you'll go as far as your talents will take you. 100 miles away in richmond park in south london... i think the lib dems are the only party to stand up for the freedom of the individual and also the only
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party, mostly, to stand up for our place in the european union. in sheffield central, we have luke. also 16 and labour through and through. both of luke's parents are unemployed and he's decided he wants a career in politics. in government, we had a very, very strong record. we brought social justice on to the agenda. we invested in the nhs, we invested in infrastructure. plaid cymru, the welsh nationalist party, are setting out their general election manifesto now. leanne wood, the party leader is speaking. let's hear what she has to say. to blaenau gwent and here in the rhondda, every person in this country will have a say on the future of wales and indeed, the future of wales and indeed, the future of wales and indeed, the future of the uk. the valleys, the cities, and the countryside will all have a choice. the choice is not between the conservatives and labour, the choice
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is whether we want to put wales on the political landscape. the choice is whether we keep voting for london—based parties or whether we vote for ourselves. for our own party, for a party which is based in wales and whose only loyalty is to the people who live here. for a party which already has the hardest working mps in westminster. we can make a choice in this uk election to defend wales, to defend our national interests. we can choose to give wales a voice by voting for plaid cymru the party of wales. friends, we face grave risks ahead of this election. 0ur we face grave risks ahead of this election. our economy, our communities, even our very identity asa communities, even our very identity as a nation is under threat from a
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tory party that can only be described as cruel and reckless. after 8thjune, described as cruel and reckless. after 8th june, the described as cruel and reckless. after 8thjune, the tories will be handed a blank cheque, that they will use to rob wales of millions of pounds. jobs will be jeopardised, our tourism and farming industries, plunged into uncertainty, and our public services will be targeted. responsibilities currently under welsh control will be at risk from a westminster power grab. labour is broken. too weak and too divided to stop them. they have abandoned ship and they're stop them. they have abandoned ship and they‘ re now stop them. they have abandoned ship and they're now fighting over who gets the life rafts. labour's welsh mps, who are asking for welsh votes, refused to even name their own party leader. they've disowned the labour ma nifesto leader. they've disowned the labour manifesto and they‘ re leader. they've disowned the labour manifesto and they're recycling their policies from the last
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assembly manifesto. the left—hand doesn't know what the right—hand is doing. labour is a party that has no hope under these conditions of defending wales. who can really be sure whether a vote for labour in wales m ea ns sure whether a vote for labour in wales means a vote for the official opposition? who knows what a vote for labour means? but friends, one thing is for sure, wales deserves better. plaid cymru will defend wales, protecting, preserving, and promoting this nation is the reason that we exist as a party. every plaid cymru mp that we send to westminster will be a tireless champion for their constituents, for their communities and for our nation. plaid cymru mps don't follow the westminster rules. they don't vote to line their own pockets. they don't vote for endless foreign wars,
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orfor the priorities of don't vote for endless foreign wars, or for the priorities of the westminster establishment. they vote for welshjobs and westminster establishment. they vote for welsh jobs and businesses. westminster establishment. they vote for welshjobs and businesses. they vote to support welsh farming, welsh livelihoods. they vote to fund our nhs and our public services. they vote for fairness, for equality and to help those in need and they speak out against injustice and intolerance and scapegoating of minorities. that's what we are about in plaid cymru, defending everyone. i want to say every person in this country, a plaid cymru mp will not let you done. our record speaks for itself. plaid cymru mps have always held those to account in power over the iraq war, over securing fair pensions for workers, the iraq war, over securing fair pensions forworkers, over the iraq war, over securing fair pensions for workers, over helping the victims of crime. they've stood up the victims of crime. they've stood up againstfunding the victims of crime. they've stood up against funding being stripped from wales, against cuts to public
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spending, and for proposals which would put more money in our pockets. when the other parties have failed to turn up, plaid cymru has been there always working for wales. last year, plaid cymru's mps made more speeches and asked more questions than any other party representing a welsh constituency. the facts speak for themselves. we are blessed with a fantastic team of plaid cymru mps, hywel williams and jonathan edwards. and they are keeping a space on those green benches for new collea g u es those green benches for new colleagues tojoin them, those green benches for new colleagues to join them, to form a welsh bloc there. they're keeping space for branwen and mrjones and ben lake. i can't name them all, but they are keeping space for a big bloc of new plaid cymru mps. we are
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determined to build a strong team and to build on our record. we've got the record. we've got the team. and with today's manifesto, we've got the vision. today, we rally behind something which is much bigger than a manifesto. what we have today is an action plan. it shows where we are, what plaid cymru will do about whatever problem we face, and where we can be. it's a forward looking programme which guarantees that plaid cymru will defend wales. it guarantees that plaid cymru mps will oppose any attempt to downgrade the powers of the national assembly. it secures our nationhood. but it also offers practical steps which will boost the welsh economy and get our country back on track to be successful, prosperous and fair. as the uk
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leaves the european union, it is only plaid cymru that will thrust wales on to the political landscape when it comes to the economy. we will push for targeted tax discounts for new and existing businesses in wales where that would generate the most newjobs. we would back the swa nsea most newjobs. we would back the swansea tidal lagoon bringing in an independently verified living wage. we would change procurement rules to allow more public contracts to be won by welsh companies. plaid cymru would deal once and for all with the creeking infrastructure that has been bestowed upon this country. our £7.5 billion investment programme on infrastructure would take advantage of these low interest rates to borrow and invest. we will press the uk government to introduce a comprehensive plan for the steel
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industry, guaranteeing it's comprehensive plan for the steel industry, guaranteeing its future outside the european union. when it comes to health and social care, plaid cymru wants guaranteed extra funding for our nhs after we leave the european union. we've already secured an additional £20 million for mental health services here, but that is only the beginning. plaid cymru mps will resist plans for uk government departments to centralise jobs away from places like porth, just down the road. we believe in spreading governmentjobs across the country, so that as many communities can benefit as possible. we would protect pensions, keeping the triple lock and supporting other trends. and we are pledging action in every other area. a global wales, so that we can work with other nations and maintained our
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all—important trade links. action on climate change and improving the environment, championing rural life, and unsurprisingly, we are pledging to put wales at the heart of the negotiations to leave the european union channel 4 final deal reflects the needs of the welsh economy. friends, this action plan contains the priorities of wales in a uk election. it is not a rehash of the assembly election but a programme which can work for wales and westminster, a programme which enables us to hold the tories to account, a programme where we, plaid cymru, provide the opposition, while labour fights amongst itself. take it with you today, read the pledges, shout them from the rooftops. as we are seeing here today in the rhondda, let's remember one of the
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greatest blues of these valleys, and one of the heroes of this political party, john davies, the historian. he said that tenacity is the hallmark of this engined nation. friends, we've defended wales before, and in this election, we must do it all over again. because john hurt, and i quote, the faith and confidence that the nation in its fullness has yet to be. let's ta ke its fullness has yet to be. let's take that message from here today, that plaid cymru is ready to defend wales, to defend our nation, to defend our economy, our people and to develop. because while haq clouds may be covering on the horizon, there is also a ray of hope. we can be the voice of wales, we can be that ray of hope. now is the time to
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d efy that ray of hope. now is the time to defy the old and out of touch parties, to show that we believe in wales, to defend wales, to develop wales, to defend wales, to develop wales, to defend wales, to develop wales, to vote for wales, to vote for plaid cymru. applause studio: as the photographs are taken, let's talk to our correspondent. how would you sum that up? i think what is clear from the manifesto is that there are a few crucial words — defend was one of the keywords, cropping up many
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times in this manifesto. if end what is rightfully there for wales, one of the key pledges from leanne wood today, that defence of the money that comes from the eu, wales is a huge beneficiary of eu money, because it is one of the poorest parts, and leanne wood trying to say to the welsh people, we are the only people that can guarantee that that money will still come from westminster. we will do our best to do so. she has said today that she would like to defend, put a shield around, the trade deal that the uk has with the european union. how exactly it would work, i put it to leanne wood earlier and she could not quite explain it, but that would still be a key pledge for plaid cymru, if they were to get more members elected in parliament in westminster. another key part of the ma nifesto westminster. another key part of the manifesto today, it was interesting to read that independence was actually on the first page of this ma nifesto. actually on the first page of this manifesto. in the last one, it was back on page 36. there is not such a
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major appetite for independence as there is in scotland, but of course, it is still a key part of plaid cymru. leanne wood herself would like to see an independent wales in the future. i put it to her that it was on the first page this time, and she did not say that it was not a huge battle for independence in this westminster campaign. and i think the third part which stands out in this manifesto today is the attack on the labour party and the tories. the labour party in wales have been so dominant for years here, but she says they have not fulfilled what was originally their purpose, protecting the working people here. but against the tories, she's outlining to the welsh people but the tories would damage the people of wales by cutting back on public sector jobs workers of wales by cutting back on public sectorjobs workers and things like that. so, she is trying to outline that. so, she is trying to outline that plaid cymru is the only party
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which can make a difference for the people of wales. some of those pledges, we have not had the full details yet. i am struggling to explain how exactly they would work in principle, when i put it to her earlier. still to come... sex and the city star kim cattrall joins us in the studio to talk about the work she's doing to try to combat ageism and sexism in hollywood. and a new mcdonald's advert depicting a child whose father has died has been described as inoffensive by some. we will be discussing that. with the news, here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom. greater manchester police say they will never close the case of the moors murders, despite the death of ian brady at the age of 79. he had been receiving palliative care in a secure unit at ashworth hospital, where he had been detained since 1985.
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brady and his partner myra hindley tortured and murdered five children in the 1960s, burying their bodies on saddleworth moor in the pennines. labour says its election manifesto will include plans to privatise the water industry. the party says intervention is needed to tackle sharp increases in water bills. it's one of a raft of proposals to be included in labour's manifesto, which will be published at 11 o'clock this morning. other plans include nationalising the railways, the national grid and royal mail. bbc news will be showing that manifesto launch live at 11, and then at 12.30, ben brown will be putting your questions to labour's sarah champion. you can get in touch... inflation has risen to its highest level since september 2013. the inflation rate rose to 2.7%
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in april from 2.3% the month before. the rise was partly due to the higher cost of road tax and clothing. the white house has rejected media allegations that president trump revealed highly classified intelligence about the islamic state group to the russian foreign minister in washington last week. the claims were made in several american newspapers including the washington post. president trump's team have dismissed the reports as more "fake news". that's a summary of the latest news — join me for bbc newsroom live at 11 o'clock. here's some sport now. champions chelsea celebrated with their home fans for the first time last night since clinching the title. they beat watford 11—3 at sta mford title. they beat watford 11—3 at stamford bridge. antonio conte is equalled the premier league record twice held by jose equalled the premier league record twice held byjose mourinho of 29 victories in a season, and they
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still have one game left to play. pep guardiola says he has been given a second chance at manchester city after failing to a second chance at manchester city afterfailing to win a second chance at manchester city after failing to win a trophy in his first season. he claimed that his previous clubs barcelona were bayern munich, might have sacked him by now. australia cricket captain david warner has said that the ashes this year could be in doubt because of a dispute over pay. former england captain michael vaughan says he could see a still a emerging between the english players and the english border in the future. and roger federer will be skipping the clay—court season. he is not injured but says he wants to concentrate on the grass and hard court season to come, including wimbledon, which he has won seven times. next — kim cattrall, the actress best known for playing samantha in sex and the city, is here. she's campaigning for better roles for older women, saying ageism is rife in the acting industry. good morning and thank you very much for coming on our programme. before we chat to you properly, let'sjust remind our audience of
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some of your best on—screen moments. how many sexual partners have you had? i'm counting. my maria from the gallery? she's my maria now! yes, ladies, i'm a lesbian. i like young men. ilike ladies, i'm a lesbian. i like young men. i like their company. i want to learn it to be made my soul inheritor — everything! wow! this place is one—of—a—kind! inheritor — everything! wow! this place is one-of-a-kind! so are you. this is the last time. it was young evil knievel, and now it is an ageing knight rider! what's the
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matter, don't you like your new scarf? not especially. what a funny way to say hello! what's going on?! my name is... this is ajoke, way to say hello! what's going on?! my name is... this is a joke, right? it turns out i have cancer. i had a biopsy done, i'm going to give you all the information, i don't want you to get upset or start worrying. i'mjust you to get upset or start worrying. i'm just telling you now because i didn't want to accidentally blurt out, i have cancer, in the middle of miranda's wedding. hello and thank you for coming on the programme. the la st you for coming on the programme. the last time i saw you was at the baftas. it was! which is maybe why you're here this morning! thank you so much for agreeing to my interview bid at 12 o'clock at night. you were
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very cheeky and i appreciated it! bid at 12 o'clock at night. you were very cheeky and i appreciated mm was interesting to hear you laughing, watching yourself there, actually, but it is such a diverse bunch of roles that you played. you say that now, your best roles are working in europe, why is that?|j working in europe, why is that?” think that europe knows what to do with women of a certain age, more than america does. part of it i think isjust because america is a younger country, it is youth oriented. so, i have been lucky enough to have been born here, my family is all here, so when i come over and work, i feel there is the support there. i now have a lot of friends in the uk, so it has really been my second home for the past almost 20 years now. and i am so happy to be here, i love doing theatre. it'sjust part of people's lives here, it is not like an occasion or spec, like it is for a lot of people in america. here, you go to the theatre, it's just what
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you do. so, i don't do musicals, i do straight theatre, mostly classical theatre, and there's a huge audience for it, and also the set designers, the theatre companies, they are really the best in the world. but it doesn't make sense, does it, that a whole continent can find roles for older women, and another continent can't? i think part of it is, there'sjust fewer roles. i am not ready to play someone who is grotesque, either from being fought of as a very, very older woman, you know, at 61 this year, which i'm not and i don't feel that way. 60 now is different from my mother's 16 and my auntie's 60. i have really had the advantage of working out and educating myself further, of travelling, who so many things which have challenged me me ntally things which have challenged me mentally and physically and demanded for me to be youthful, in a way. my
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spirit feels much more youthful and i'm not ready for that. so, spirit feels much more youthful and i'm not ready forthat. so, ijust feel that there's very few roles to begin with. and those roles are either in two categories, of somebody wanting to be young in a desperate way, or someone who has given up. that's why i don't depend on hollywood for jobs given up. that's why i don't depend on hollywood forjobs any more. that's why i became an executive producer. i found a property almost ten years ago, and i thought, this isa ten years ago, and i thought, this is a character i have never seen on screen, it's a woman who isn't a victim, she's not dying of cancer but she is at a point in her life, where she's saying, what now? my roles as a mother are changing, my son has left, my husband and i are disconnected at this point in my life, but i have 30 or 40 more years of life ahead of me. who am i now? those are questions which women my e, those are questions which women my age, which is a huge audience out there, i really want to say to
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networks, you're missing a big opportunity, the baby boomers are the biggest generation, and we need entertainment, we really do. and i wa nt entertainment, we really do. and i want to provide that, i want to those stories. can you give me some exa m ples of those stories. can you give me some examples of ageism that you have come across in your world? well, it starts off in a little bit ofa well, it starts off in a little bit of a whisper. can she come in and have a meeting? we want to see what she looks like. we want to see her skin, we want to see where she is at and they really want to kind of see... and they really want to kind of see. . . they and they really want to kind of see... they want to see how old you look? exactly. it is a polite way of doing that. and then after the age of 35 in hollywood, this happened to me personally, the scriptsjust stop coming. the leading roles because there is a whole host of new young girls coming up and you know they put older men with younger women, you know, it'sjust so wonderful
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what's happened with briget in the french politician's press release, him coming out and saying, emmanuel macron saying this is ridiculous, if it was the other way around... because she is 27 years younger than emmanuel macron, sorry older. a slip. i remember when i was offered samantha and sex in the city. i was thinking at 411 samantha and sex in the city. i was thinking at 41 i can't play this bombshell and i think now it is insane, but in1997, bombshell and i think now it is insane, but in 1997, to be even 40, 41 was over the hill, to be a sexual, vital, human being. are you saying then you don't feel pressure to look younger because you're not playing that game? 0r to look younger because you're not playing that game? or do you still feel that pressure? playing that game? or do you still feelthat pressure? i playing that game? or do you still feel that pressure? i don't feel that pressure. if i want to look a certain way, then that's for my satisfaction. i don't do it because
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of my work. i do it because that makes me feel good. but you look 15, 20 years younger than 60? thank you. do you think, if you actually looked your age, you would struggle? this is the question, what does 60 look like now? what does it look like? i am exactly what it looks like. i ta ke am exactly what it looks like. i take care of myself, of course. i don't go out in the sun and i don't drink excessively. i'm not an addictive person. i don't smoke. those are the questions that people ask you just on a health basis, not ask you just on a health basis, not as part of an ageing basis, but this is what it looks like. i'm not the only person who looks like this. there are many more of us out there. there are many more of us out there. the kind of work i'm saying yes to is incorporating notjust my age, but my experience, that's what i'm coming to the set with and that's why people are continuing to say yes to hiring me because i have an appetite. want to continue to
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challenge myself and an audience that has a perception of what 60 looks like. yes. a lot of actresses i had looks like. yes. a lot of actresses ihad an looks like. yes. a lot of actresses i had an agent once and i probably fired herand i had an agent once and i probably fired her and she said, "why don't you stop telling people your age?" i said screw it, i'm proud of it. when you were younger, did you consider surgery or not well, when i was younger i didn't need surgery. 40—year—old women in hollywood? younger i didn't need surgery. 40-year-old women in hollywood? you don't have to have surgery now. there are so many possibilities. you don't have to have something invasive? there is so many different options for you, you know, your dermatologist will educate you, if you can go online, i don't think it will come out ofjust a cream. it's a lifestyle that you choose. but that's easy for me. i would do that aas that's easy for me. i would do that a as woman anyway. for every one role for a women, there are three acting roles for
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men. i would say even more. would you? yes. yes. what is it going to ta ke to you? yes. yes. what is it going to take to change that, do you think? well, we have been battling since since shakespeare. i'm so, it's so fantastic that directors like philippa lloyd are taking that and making it women's companies of julius ceasar and seeing glenda jackson play king lear. where is our lear? the closest is cleopatra which i've done twice. it is a man's world. look at your profession, how long did it take women to battle through that crystal ceiling and we've still got more to go, but i think by educating yourself and by become ago producer and having passion projects. 0ne become ago producer and having passion projects. one of the things idid at passion projects. one of the things i did at the baftas, i passion projects. one of the things i did at the baftas, i found sara
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phelps and i grabbed her and i did at the baftas, i found sara phelps and i grabbed herand i said, "write me something." we've got, coming together, there is a wonderful organisation called 50/50 which is women actresses who got really annoyed and said we have got to make a stand and encourage network and other producers, but i have ta ken that network and other producers, but i have taken that upon myself and said listen, i'm in a very special privileged position here to have some kind of a platform and say listen, we have great stories to tell. we have a livhood of experience that we want to bring to our work and the characters we play, that's what was so wonderful about the baftas, that that's what was so wonderful about the baftas, that night as we were talking about it earlier, it was an intimate place. this industry that we have, with such wonderful talent, you're 60, you're better than you've ever been. let us bring that to you as an audience. let us bring those stories. do you know of parts where you, that you've played where you
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have been in terms of your on—screen time given the same amount of time asa time given the same amount of time as a male actor, but you've been paid less? not knowingly. right. no. certainly not as a producer! laughter you can really control those aspects, but to be fair, i didn't wa nt aspects, but to be fair, i didn't want to be paid more than my cohorts. i wanted equal play. absolutely, in that situation, you know, we had very little budget for sensitive skin. i realised what was most important for me was that it would be made. i said i don't know need to make what i would make in the market place. because i'm producing this, i want us all to be fairly treated, but i want it to be done and i find most actors if there isa done and i find most actors if there is a role, if it is on the page, they will engag and bring their game. you are filming your next project, you are playing the us
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president. yes, i what insight has am. it given you in terms of the kind of characters that want to become prime ministers, presidents? well, of course, this is a fictional story. yes. but it was fascinating. i always need to find a way into a character. and that's usually through their vulnerability, but just looking at what it takes to even contemplate taking on this job which is an impossible job, is the nar isa which is an impossible job, is the nar is a sism and some of that is in a negative sense, but the rest of it is to feel thauk even attempt this, never mind make it happen and then have the responsibility of the free world on your shoulders. i mean, that's what i so much admired about hillary clinton is her grit and her determination and she had survived it all and determination and she had survived it allandl determination and she had survived it all and i thought here is someone on the other side for the other
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ticket, the republican ticket, who isa ticket, the republican ticket, who is a businessman and a path owe logical narocist. are you saying hillary clinton was not a narcositt because she wanted to be president? how could you want that for a life style how could you want that for a lifestyle and not have, maybe it is the opposite side? maybe it is such poor self esteem? but for me, playing the president, she is abducted so the story becomes more ofa abducted so the story becomes more of a personal issue, but what i really found interesting in that character specifically was how she sat back and really watched as opposed to react which i wish the president of the united states would do more of. so how are you finding the first 100 and odd days of president trump's prosecutesy?. the first 100 and odd days of president trump's prosecutesy? a lot of sleep. a sky toll gist told me, i
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can't tell you how many people are sitting opposite me on a daily basis who are terrified. we are showing pictures of donald trump when he was in sex in the city. yes. do you think he should have stuck to acting then? i don't think he was an actor! i think he can only play himself! what does it say if anything, that is he was elected after it became clear that he boasted about grabbing women by their pussy? well, i think he was appealing to a lot of people who felt they were not being heard andl who felt they were not being heard and i think a lot of people who, you know, they felt that on the democratic side that was not the right candidate. so they decided not to vote at all which is a vote against what i feel was the right thing to do for the next step for
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the country. living in america. sol think that it was a terrible mistake andl think that it was a terrible mistake and i think that as the days go by the fear increases and the reality is there for all to see. let me read some messages. i'm going to have to apologise for your language earlier which you would not have noticed, but somebody will write and complain. oh dear. it's all right. don't say it again. tweet from christina. "isn't kim cattrall brilliant. it's still a man's world. it is right women still get overlooked in many working roles, not just acting, overlooked in many working roles, notjust acting, especially overlooked in many working roles, not just acting, especially as you get older." a tweet from bane, "loving the interview can kim cattrall being 60 myself and feeling fab." they are all the same. another viewer says, "if i looked that good at 60,!
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viewer says, "if i looked that good at 60, i will be blessed." a tweet from laura, "what does 60 look like? the fabulous kim cattrall." can i ask you what you think about the general election campaign? do you have a view? would you like to share it if you do? well, thank god it is shorter than the one in america. that's all i can say! but it is politics, as usual, isn't it? it just is. who would you vote for? can i ask you that, or do you think that's naughty? very, very naughty. laughter that's got you where you are, isn't it? well, i don't know. i don't know. in terms of your role as us president, you're filming in sweden, you go the end of this week, when can people see that? the programme is called modus and it is modusll andl is called modus and it is modusll and i think it will air in the fall on bbc two. and that will be in the fall. 0k. on bbc two. and that will be in the fall. ok. thank you very much. of course, there is witness for the
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prosecution. where can people get that? i think that's on bbc iplayer. i know you have talked in the past about the stigma you say you face for not having children the do you still face that? are things changing? i continue toe mentor young women sol changing? i continue toe mentor young women so i feel that that part of me, that maternal side of me is still being expressed and i'm still, i feel, that is my role as a mother. just because you don't have children, doesn't mean that you don't have maternal instincts. it's just part of being human, notjust female and i get a tremendous amount of pleasure and they're not just young actresses, i give talks, i give a lot of my time to, i feel people who first of all need it. ok. and are working hard on you know battling through what it is to be 20 right now which is really complicated. 60 is easier in some
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ways. thank you very much. thank you for your company. we're back tomorrow at 9am. have a good day. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you. hello there. had it has been a very mild start to the day across all parts. some areas seeing a lot of cloud and outbreaks of rain particularly through south—west england and wales and into the midlands and north—west england. this rain will linger on the for scotla nd this rain will linger on the for scotland and northern ireland, the skies brightening up as a line of showers move through. fresher than what it was this afternoon, but warm and in the south east of england with lengthy spells of hazy sunshine will become very warm. maybe one or two places seeing 25 celsius. this evening and overnight, it stays cloudy, damp and mild across england and wales with low cloud and mist and wales with low cloud and mist and murk, but for scotland and northern ireland a difference here. clear skies, lighter northern ireland a difference here. clearskies, lighterwinds, northern ireland a difference here. clear skies, lighter winds, so it
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will be a chillier night, single figure values, we can see 12 to 15 celsius for england and wales. and then into wednesday, it looks like scotla nd then into wednesday, it looks like scotland and northern ireland starting off cool and bright with sunshine. 0ne starting off cool and bright with sunshine. one or two showers here. england and wales will stay cloudy and mild with pulses of rain which will turn heavy and thundery later on across the south east where it will be very warm once again. this is bbc news. i'm ben brown in bradford, wherejeremy corbyn is to launch labour's manifesto promising a "radical and responsible" plan for government. as the shadow cabinet
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arrived in bradford for the launch this morning — a new plan for public ownership of the water industry was added to the draft document. we wa nt we want public services to meet the needs of the population and an infrastructure meeting the needs of the modern economy. that'll be set out in the manifesto and the policies costed and wondered. —— funded. labour are expected to announce tax hikes to pay for the policies in the manifesto.
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