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did donald trump compromise a key intelligence source, by giving the russian foreign minister secret intelligence about islamic state? is this one too far even for the donald or is he another teflon president that nothing sticks to. and we go to durham to examine the new divide — educated remainers versus working class brexiteers. i don't think our values are under threat, as much as we just need to articulate them better, and perhaps in a less high—handed way. when i was doing a bricklaying apprenticeship, i couldn't get it, because at first all the polish came over, and they took people's jobs. good evening. finally, we have the finished article. jeremy corbyn launched the party's election manifesto in bradford, describing it as a programme of hope. it certainly promised the earth, with a programme of tax, spend... and borrowing. tax hikes of almost £50 billion a year to pay for scrapping tuition fees, raising the minimum wage to £10 an hour, and adding £6 billion a year to education and £7 billion to health and social care, and borrowing of £250 billion over ten years for infrastructure, and massive renationalisation. there was a definite high moral tone to the manifesto, with it's pledge of a levy on excessive pay — £300,000 was the figure jeremy corbyn plumped for. so who was the labour leader addressing? the corbyn faithful,
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or did he think the idea of the big state and tax rises would have wide appeal? 0ur political editor nick watt was at the launch. we have liftoff! manifesto launch days can often turn into rather sedate affairs. today had the feeling of a rolling personal rally, asjeremy corbyn took the labour manifesto on the road. and, we will build over a million new homes... a few hours earlier the shadow cabinet had gathered in bradford for this morning's launch. team corbyn thought that banda had been stolen when a draft of the document was leaked last week. but supporters whooped with delight whenjeremy corbyn pledged to nationalise the railway in stages and scrap university tuition fees. our proposal is the government for the many, not a few. 0ur proposals are of hope for the many all over this country, and i'm very proud to present our manifesto for the many, not the few. thank you very much! cheering 0ne loyal trade unionist was delighted.
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i think it's fantastic. i've waited all my life to hear a manifesto like that. it does really look after people, working people. the only thing i get upset about when people talk about ordinary people, i don't think there's an ordinary person in the world, but people have needs, people have been suffering and this is to reach out to them. jeremy corbyn cited harold wilson in his speech. harold, as he called him, unseated at 0riol more than 50 years ago after freshening a message that appeared to in bold in the modern world. today critics said the manifesto had a bit of a retro feel about it, but supporters ofjeremy corbyn say he is absolutely in touch with today's world. i think he comes over as a very natural speaker and as a very genuine person. at last, someone we can believe in rather than just another of these plastic politicians. something special about him. blair and brown?
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never, no, that's when i went off labour. jeremy's the man for me. if his message is unfiltered you would be confident he would win the british people over? you listen to a man in choosing, yes, i don't agree with all of that, of course you don't, but what he says is fundamentally for the interests of working people. for the vast majority of this country, not the handful of neoliberals down in london. jeremy corbyn received a rapturous reception when he spoke to his fan base at huddersfield's beaumont park. we know he has plenty of support in the labour party because he has won the party leadership two years in a row. the challenge for him is to reach out to the wider electorate across the country. what do you think of the labour party underjeremy corbyn and his leadership?
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i think it's well—intentioned but i think it's probably unelectable. and if they were elected, i wouldn't want to be in the country after they'd been elected. ijust don't think he's really strong enough, he's not strong enough, i have to say. i mean, i believe in the labour party. what they stand for, but ijust don't think he's got enough people behind him, he's not strong enough to lead the party. he's not. no, not somebody i would follow. what do you think ofjeremy corbyn? i think he gets a hard time in the press, but ultimately i think he's a change that would be good for the country. i think he's an honest and straight up leader. do you see him as a potentially strong prime minister? i do. i think what you see with him is what you get. a ghost of one ofjeremy corbyn‘s he arose hung over the day's events. michael foot was cheered round the country 1983 but went down to a heavy defeat. is there a danger he's getting these
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rapturous receptions as michael foot did and it turned out he was preaching to the converted? who knows, to be quite honest. we will know on the 9th ofjune, but what i would say to people is read the manifesto. if you like what it says, if there are bits in it that there's a you and your life and make your life better, vote. shadow ministers are mostly sanguine about labour's prospects. but there was palpable anger among jeremy corbyn‘s supporters, who believe that the man that calls himself monsieur zen is not getting a fair hearing and being unfairly maligned. nick watt there. so much for the politics. but does this manifesto stack up as a policy offer? our policy editor chris cook is here. what did you make of it? i think it's really important that when we think about manifesto speedo
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think them as very literal accounts of what a future government is going to do. because frankly the world is too complicated. and you set yourself up for terrible disappointment. i think one of the things i've been trying to look at today is to think about what exactly is reasonable to expect of a political party to put down. otherwise we are at risk of drifting into a conversation about our politics, which is does this tiny sum of money add up to this tiny sum of money and losing the bigger picture. what are the questions we should be asking of labour? this manifesto is a draft for a better future for our country. it's a blueprint of what britain could be. today, labour launched their vision for what britain could be like. their blueprint for the country as much as we expected from the leaked last week.
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it is a radical prospectus, certainly, but how should you assess their plans? when you read party manifestos i suggest applying two tests to what you see. the first question is ideology, what does this party stand for? a good manifesto should explain which groups and sector party wants to prioritise. the quick second question is about capability, has this party done its homework question specifically when it comes into government and has to deal with the uncertainties and unknown and that ministers face, do they have the capacity and knowledge to cope? to answer the first question, labour's direction is very clear. labour will end the cuts in the national health service. labour will scrap tuition fees. labour will take our railways back into public ownership and put passengers first! after today's manifesto launch we had a clear idea of what the jeremy corbyn government would do, quite big rises in tax, £50 billion in total,
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income tax for high earners and corporation tax and that money to be spent improving public services from the nhs to schools. we don't know what the conservatives will do, they launch their manifesto on thursday forced you can be sure they will be doing this so there's a big choice on the 8th ofjune. they would do more, running train services directly, buying up water companies but some of their priorities are surprised analysts. within their spending plans, a big increase in spending on schools and child care and infrastructure spending and fair settlement for the nhs not a generous most of the benefit cuts would be left in place. the second question is tougher. has labour done its homework so it's ready to run whitehall? a snap election has made preparing much harder. i think it is particularly hard at this time because prepared to normal times they have had to do this at very short notice. they haven't had the usual luxury of setting up working groups, talking to think tanks and drawing
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in outside experts to draw up ideas. it is a front bench short of government experience, so they can't really draw on that. if you compare it to the conservatives, they are in office, they are sitting there and have been working out policy ideas, have been able to draw on civil service support about ideas they were going to implement in government and they can translate a lot of those into their manifesto. take this example. one of labour's top education items is a £5 billion extension of preschool childcare which is simple enough. but it also plans total reform of the childcare system, and they've simply given us no detail at all about what that means. the biggest concern, though, is fiscal. labour wants to raise taxes by £49 billion a year, but they also say only the top 5% of earners will be asked to contribute more in tax to help fund our public services. a lot of people want precisely that sort of thing from labour, but there are risks.
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the proposals would raise a lot in tax, tens of billions of pounds, but might still fall well short of what they need. the tax rise is focused on a small group of high income people and increasing corporation tax. if they do fall short, will they borrow more, cut back on the spending plans or go for other tax rises? labour is pledging a radical blueprint, but that makes it more important to sound reassuring. a snap election makes that much harder for labour to achieve. joining us now from leeds is labour's richard burgon, a member ofjeremy corbyn‘s shadow cabinet. good evening. first of all, what proportion of gdp will the total tax take the by the end of the parliament based on the manifesto today? what i would say first of all is your colleague chris was right in saying we should be talking about the bigger picture. this document i have here, that
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you referred to in your package, sets out exactly the total cost, £48.6 billion, and exactly how we will raise it. we want to talk about some specifics. i wonder if you know what proportion of gdp the total tax take will be, based on the manifesto today. what proportion will that be? i think what we need to talk about here... if you'll let me finish... i'm asking you a question. i understand your technique. it seems to me we are being put on trial for daring to suggest higher public spending. put on trial for daring to set out with greater transparency than any other party has put forward before, about how much we're going to spend and how we will spend it. you i presume ever read the document and it is all in there. we have a choice with this interview. we can do the rather tedious thing of going through each number... hang on, hang on.
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all we can talk about the bigger picture. we can talk about... let me reassure you, we are going to go through some of the specific policies in a minute. ijust wonder if you have any idea what proportion of gdp the total tax take will be at the end of this parliament? just to tell you, in case you don't know, it's going to be 36%. do you know relatively how high that is for many other government since the war? the key is this, we've made a pledge on tax you viewers were very interested in. 95% of people, everyone gets paid less than £80,000, won't pay a single penny more in taxation, because labour is the party of low tax for the many. the conservatives sadly in the last seven years have proved themselves to be the party of low attacks only for the privileged few. let's look at that.
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just tell you that hasn't been such a high tax take as a proportion of gdp since 1949. that is pretty eye—catching. another eye—catching announcement today in the manifesto, you're going to introduce an excessive pay a levy on salaries above 330,000, another one at half a million. excessive, is that a moraljudgment? i think the levels of inequality in this society are very great. the average earnings in the constituency i represent our £18,000. i think it is right that labour is saying there will be no secret tax rises or sneaky tax ruses. 95% of people won't pay an extra penny of tax. the conservatives promised there would be no national insurance increase. it is only labour stopping them doing that through the back door that stopped them doing it on slide.
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