tv Nicks Election Takeaways BBC News May 21, 2017 12:30am-1:01am BST
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this is bbc news. the headlines: the us president donald trump has received a royal, red carpet welcome in saudi arabia. donald trump is now expected to make a key speech on islam, sunday. on his first foreign trip as us president, he was awarded the top civilian honour in the kingdom before signing a deal worth hundreds of billions of dollars — including arms sales. hassan rouhani has been re—elected president of iran. the moderate easily beat his more conservative challenger. he said iranians had chosen a path of greater engagement with the world. and pippa middleton, the sister of the duchess of cambridge, has married in a traditional english country wedding. she married the financier james matthews. the ceremony was attended by several members of the royal family. now on bbc news, nick robinson sits down for dinner with a group of voters to examine how different parts of the electorate are making up their minds ahead of the general election — in nick's election takeaways. during this election campaign,
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i'm speaking to several groups of voters about how they are making up their mind. today, i will be talking to people who voted remain in the eu referendum. how will that choice affect the choices they have to make now? we have come to bedford, a tory—held seat which is marginal. the people we are speaking to have been selected for us by the pollsters ipsos mori. of course, no small group can tell us how this place will vote, let alone the country as a whole — but it can flesh out those findings you find in the opinion polls and on tv. let us go inside to the corn exchange wherejim davidson and ken dodd have played for the latest of nick's election takeaways. today's takeaway, a nice bit of thai food. let me ask you all first, maria,
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i'll start with you, what do you think of the issues that are important just know? in bedford, what are the important issues for you? it is a very multicultural society. and i mean, a place that i have lived for 18 years, with a very diverse background. children here from a diverse background. and it's actually been a very pleasant place to live and educate children, who are now going back into london. you know, creating their lives and careers. but i think recent times have made one question how you feel about it, and how you feel about the general population, and how they are feeling, in a way i have never thought before. you mean the mix? no, no, i mean, just the recent last year has made me feel differently
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about bedford and about britain. i will come onto that because i think i know what you mean. bedford first of all, what do people think in general? jen? i think at the moment the hospital situation. i think it is important to me, my husband has a heart condition. having no services available, thinking about having a family in the future. the potential of, you know, a&e shutting, maternity services not being there anymore, it is quite scary to think, you know, we might have to go afield for things which we have been able to access course for such a long time. for me it is the nhs also. with local hospitals, we're hearing news of a&e being degraded. it worries us, the fact that services are going. what will happen in the future? or will we have to travel far off?
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i want to be able to get all the services i have in future. if they are degraded, will they be far off? that is a big worrying point from my perspective in bedford. poverty. i would say poverty has increased in bedford. there is a lot of homelessness. a lot of people are accessing the foodbank. i just asked the foodbank yesterday how much food they give every month, they said over six tonnes, and bedford is a small town. cuts in services, nhs and statutory services, from the council, all statutory services. they've cut their services. especially for vulnerable families. people who suffer domestic violence. people who are in a low income. i cannot think outside bedford because i am always dealing with people in bedford who are facing problems on a day—to—day basis which is affecting their way of living. it is getting worse each day.
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has anybody else had any experience with the nhs where they think, i cannot hope? my son has a friend who are a couple of friends who are working in the local hospital, a greek doctor has been here for maybe a year. my son fractured his arm. they took him to the a&e, and the greek doctor was so shocked that this lady was bleeding next to my son who is 17 or 18 with a fracture. they sat there for several hours, a lady who could been homeless, maybe, but she was covered in blood. he said, as bad as things are in greece, such a thing could not happen. you know, that somebody with such obvious need for care, would not be allowed to set their in the midst of everyone. —— there.
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is that the big issue nationally or other other issues nationally? brexit is one of the issues. we should have a good deal in place after leaving the european union. of course, nhs is one of the biggest issues, but if we do not get a good deal, because of xyz, it affects our economy. this means we cannot fund the nhs so the most important issue at this moment for me is getting a good brexit deal. getting the right deal. yes? absolutely. it is very important for me as well because myjob depends on it. if our company cannot make it work, you have to think about what we have to do to make it work. so why did yourjob depend on it? because, you know, it could put obstacles in the way, for example, or they could affect our production
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factory in italy. we essentially buy from our production site and bring it to the uk. so for you the worry is if there will be tariffs on that... of course, because it would be harder for us to make a profit, and would be a strain on the company. anybody else find brexit as an issue? for me it is the biggest issue in this election. for me we need the strongest campaigner to get us the best dealfrom it. you need the strongest campaigner to get out? to be involved in the brexit process and get the best deal for us. yeah. do you mind me asking how you voted in the referendum? i voted to remain. so you are looking for someone who still wants us to remain? negotiator or a good listener? that is right. someone to get the best possible outcome from what's on the table — gets the best deal. although i voted remain, the situation where we are leaving so we need the best we can get now.
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for me at least, it is done. brexit is happening. so we are moving ahead with it. how did you vote? i voted remain. you voted remain. i voted remain. bremain. —— remain. can i let you into a secret? you all voted remain, that is why we asked you to come in. we are interested to know about people who voted remain. it is not chance. how do you feel at present? depressed. i feel somewhat sad about it but it is the next generation who are deeply... my daughter graduated on the day before they went to vote. and she had a very bad feeling it would go in that direction. and absolutely devastated, all three of them. i was certainly shocked because it's notjust for us now, it is for our children's future, when they want to travel around europe and get a job,
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or work outside the uk, how will it affect them? what about you, jen? how did you feel about the referendum ? in my work, because i am 26, i work with a lot of older people. what you do? i work in an estate agent, i am a secretary. so being young, compared to them, i'm obviously — i've felt that their decision was made for me. i am not as young as... you think they made the decision for you? yeah, they made this decision for me. things that will not necessarily impact on them will impact me, you know, and my children, and things like that. so it was frustrating because there was all this bravado, if we leave now it will be better. we were good before.
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i was like, it will not affect you. i voted remain not for the economy at all but because i had a fear of the increase of hate crime. that was my only reason why. not for the economy but i was scared that if we voted out, it gives a platform because of the campaigning, it would give a platform for people to incite hatred and xenophobia. but now it has happened? now it has happened, we are dealing with a lot of hate—crime. really, in bedford ? yes, there is an increase. i was right to be frightened and i will still be frightened. that fear will not go for a long time because we can see it happening all around us. lots of people who watch this will say we have not changed as a countryjust because we voted in a way you do not like. we have to deal with it and that is why the government has to work towards and try and protect
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and safeguard these people, the communities that are being attacked. i mean, i spoke to people in this town who are, i would say not necessarily politically minded, who within 2a hours said they did not know why they voted. they voted leave. and you know, these are fairly nice people, who within a day were saying — you know, they'd pop into my house and say, they did not really know why but they voted leave. when you started asking them questions, they had not thought of so many of the aspects of what that really meant. i feel also the campaign was led by, the way the campaign was led, appealed to certain baser instincts in some and in others, they were left naively not
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knowing what was going on. but now — think of now rather than then, for a second, we're going to get on with it now, is that the case? just make the case to maria. that is like a fire in your house saying, it is going now. you still think the fire could be put out? i think if people were not so... i mean, there is a lot of hubris around this. the way that the government and the people who are leading the government literally fell away the moment it was voted in. they just disappeared. arjit, you don't think so? as i say, i like to get on with it. we want someone who will get the best deal after brexit. and this is our opportunity to work to either of and this is our opportunity to work to eitherof them, and this is our opportunity to work to either of them, who we think will give us the best possible opportunities in the future with the deal, which is beneficial to all. you say the two of them, you do not have to vote labour or tory. there are other parties. so of whom say, let's do it again.
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would you vote labour? i don't think that is necessary, just get on with it. i also said maybe there should be people potentially getting more of a say because we are voting in the general election but we will still be voting on something we have not had an opportunity to have a say on. so it might be a great deal but we will not know until it happens. your view, james — you are a remainer as well — what is your view, to get on with it? if the country is to vote for a party which decided to have another referendum, the outcome might... how many would we have before we got to the point where the government might say, we like this answer, so we will get on with it, then. for referendums. you are not convinced, are you?
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it is almost like, he goes up to somebody and says give us £250,000 for the house. what is it like? "you will find out." but what is that like, i may not like it. just trust us, you will be fine. that is what the leaders have done effectively? know, what it seems to me, particularly theresa may has said, strong and stable leadership and i am the best person to negotiate. you will not get a say as such, you would just get it. it might be it turns out there are lots of political machinations and we do get the best deal but it seems a strange thing you could say to theresa may but what does a good deal look like? no one knows. if you wanted to say, as you say, give it another go,
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who are you tempted by? are you hearing anybody in politics saying the things that you want to hear? i am very cynical about politicians. i have not heard anything. i feel we were set up. but now, are you not hearing anyone say let's have another referendum? hearing how theresa may has got into her discussions with europe, and just generally i think the british perspective is very, is very... i travel a lot, i go to europe weekly, and the europeans are not feeling... they're feeling quite upset, they're feeling quite angry, they do not like the posturing leading up to brexit. they feel quite... you do not like theresa may's tone. but there's no—one on the opposition benches? you have the greens, the liberal democrats? the chances are very
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unlikely they will get in. i think i agree. i cannot see anyone in the tory frontbench who can negotiate their way out of a paper bag. it is really sad because if you discount theresa may, jeremy corbyn, i don't think so. then it goes round. i agree with you, i am getting on, it is really quite depressing. you think there is no standout person. they say theresa may is strong and stable leadership but she was in charge of the home office for six years and we did not see a lot of that going on. my issue is, i think bedford, the tories got in with a 1200 majority now, it is not a safe seat. if that is a national movement to vote tactically, you are not going to vote for the liberal democrats because unless there is some sort of turnover,
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they will not get in so if you vote tactically, perhaps you will vote for labour but they are going with brexit as well so it is difficult. what about the greens, to make a statement? but your statement would be like a stone dropped in a pond, no one would see it, it would be gone, it would be frustrating. it is first past the post so if you do not agree with the government, the only thing to do is vote labour. if you came into the room though, and said i am tim farron, i am the new leader, i will say, do not despair you remainers, we can still do it, in a couple of years' time things will look different. what would you say to him? no thanks. this is always a waste of time, money and energy. i agree, it is a waste of time.
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we should just get on with it. it will create more division. it might create more division within society so it is done and i think the majority of us who voted remain have accepted it and just want to get on with it now. does anyone thinkjeremy corbyn would be a better person for negotiations? definitely not. i do. he is a person who really cares about the economy because he has the interest of the workers at heart and that is what the economy is based on, that is what i personally think. i am basing it on what i have seen in bedford with the lack ofjobs over the years and the cutting of services. i want somebody else to have another chance and see if they can make this go forward. you thought jeremy corbyn would do well? i think his style of talking to people, on a personal level,
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i think he talks to people with a little more engagement rather than talking over people as though he will tell people what is going to happen. i saw your eyebrows go up. i am really sorry, jeremy, he will probably be really good if he ever got the chance but this is a chap who put a three line whip in for people to pass the brexit bill or whatever it was called. this was a man who never followed the government whip when labour were in power, never. he might be a good negotiator but he has not got any principles. jeremy corbyn, maria said, you're saying he is empathetic? he can build a relationship?
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when i see him on the television, i turn over. it is the truth. why? he just irritates me and he is one that bugs me. is that because you are tory? i don't know if it is about that. i have watched other labour leaders, i think it is just him personally. give me a few qualities, shout out words. let us do theresa may first. what words do you associate with her? tough. strong. xenophobic. that is what she comes over as. yes? come back to me. i think she is a businesswoman and she is here to make the best of the bad situation.
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donald trump's businessman! i think a lot of people are worried, not to bring up american politics, but people are worried it is going to go the way, with the coming election they will vote for the lesser of two evils. do you think they might do that now? i think people are worried go that way. she is like a second mrs thatcher. you do not mean that in a good way? no, she is a very strong person. in a good way? you are thinking of voting labour? i have not decided yet, it is based on next week. iam intrigued, you might vote for the second mrs thatcher or you might vote forjeremy corbyn, your words. i have always voted labour. nowadays because it is so much
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information, so much social media, the way we saw politics is so different to two elections before. people are thinking about how they voted. before it was something they inherited from their mother and father. you used to vote for a party but now, it is not like that. i do not see it like that. what about words that describe jeremy corbyn? poor. irritating. and you are voting for the greens. ijust do not trust him. i think he is fatally idealistic. you will vote for him or not?
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as you said, the american election was between the least worst candidate and it is such a shame that in this country, it is almost like we are talking about who is the least worst candidate. you may still vote labour? possibly. you are not sure. you? come back to me. is there any other issue, you know what, we have had a referendum but this issue is much more important to me? for me it is the schools my children go to and the pressure the teachers are under is incredible. anybody else? locally services, everything locally, welfare, elderly, cuts in youth services. everything that you need to live on a day—to—day basis. what about health? is the health service so important? yes. is it more than brexit for you? the health service will not function if you do not
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have a stronger economy. i think they come part and parcel. definitely. like the schooling system, the nhs is and is a lot more strain, we are living longer. initial planning for the nhs was not to let people to live to 104. thank you everyone. that is it from us in bedford. we will have the chance to finish off our takeaway now and we will be back next week talking to people that the prime minister has called the just about managing, who will they decide to vote for? hello, there. the minority escaped the showers during the day on saturday,
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but today the majority will stay dry. but just looking back, look at this picture that was sent in of the hail storm, down district, mid—afternoon on saturday. in contrast, many did enjoy a decent sunset — this was sent in from suffolk — because the showers faded fast through saturday evening. and although there's cloud waiting in the wings across the atlantic, it willjust brush up the western side of the uk through the day ahead. actually the main influence will be high pressure so a much drier and a much brighter day. a chilly start, mind you. 3—4 degrees, probably, in the countryside, even in southern areas. so a risk of some grass frost first thing this morning, a little bit of fog but that should clear quite quickly. and then it does look like a much drier and a much brighter day. we will really notice the difference, i think. the winds won't be as lively as they were through the day on saturday and the may sunshine is strong this time of year. so high uv levels. so that in itself will allow those temperatures to leap up after the chilly start.
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not much cloud around initially, apart from the patchy fog and low cloud, but we will see some cloudy weather, even a little bit of patchy rain for a few hours across northern ireland and later it will migrate into the west of scotland. we've still got the showery airstream up across the north—east of mainland scotland and noth—east scotland. still the odd sharp shower around but nothing like the intensity we had on saturday, generally, and very few of those around. it brightens up in northern ireland, just the odd shower here, the odd shower perhaps for northern england and western scotland, but on the whole, with more sunshine and fewer showers, and lighter winds, it's going to feel much warmer. and temperaturs will respond as well —15—2i, significantly higher than saturday for some. of course, it means it will turn quite chilly again through sunday night into monday morning. again, there could be a little bit of grass frost around and some fog. the main difference as e start the new week is this weather system, albeit relatively weak, it will introduce more cloud into scotland again and it clears later for northern ireland and for ebgland and wales, here we'll see the temperatures rising further on those that we'll see today. so perhaps as high as the mid—20s.
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and that upwards trend continues further north as well. in fact, it looks like it should be a warm and a dry start at roland garros for the french open starting on monday, of course. and that warmth notjust across paris but also spreading northwards, with this area of high pressure. and that's with us then for much of the week. not just southern areas, the north will enjoy some warmer weather as well as temperatures start to get into the high teens for scotland and for northern ireland. so a lot of dry weather on offer through the coming week and probably some very strong may sunshine, too. so it should feel much warmer. this is bbc news. my name is lebo diseko. 0ur this is bbc news. my name is lebo diseko. our top stories: in step in saudi arabia: donald trump and king salman sign multi—billion dollar trade deals, in what's described as a turning point in us—arab relations. hundreds of billions of dollars of investment into united states, and
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