hello, it's 9am, i'm victoria derbyshire — welcome to the programme. we speak exclusively to two brothers whose father shot dead their mother and sister following years of controlling behaviour. luke and ryan hart, speaking for the first time, say it was an act of ‘total evil‘. it doesn't hit you in one go and then you have to deal with it, it seeps into you and it's just really disorientating. i think for me, there's still a huge amount of confusion because you obviously still try and make sense, obviously you can't make sense of total evil. with just a week to go until the general election — theresa may is criticised for staying away from the latest television debate which saw a series of ill—tempered exchanges. we will always provide that safety net where it is needed. you try to ta ke net where it is needed. you try to take personal independence payment away from people with disabilities and then turned yourselves around after a few days on that. jeremy, i know there is no extra payment you don't want to add to, also this morning — the latest

in our election blind date series. today, cambridge historian mary beard and strip club owner peter stringfellow. you look slightly distinguished, quite hunky. you are quite a pretty lady. get that on camera! welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am. we're also talking about ariana grande's one love manchester concert to raise money for people affected by the manchester bombing. tickets go on sale at 10am this morning. we'll have the details and we'd love to hear from you if you're planning to go. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

our top story today... theresa may's political opponents have criticised her for not taking part in a seven—way general election debate. she was accused of lacking "guts" during the 90—minute event. let's get more from our political guru norman smith... is it possible to say who one? it was probably the television volume button as people try to turn down all of the shouting and interruptions because, let's be honest, it was a bunfight with seven politicians trying to get their views over. were we any wiser by the end of it? probably not. the big political question is how damaged was theresa may by the fact that she didn't turn up, and did jeremy corbyn really managed to exploit the moment, to seize his chance? the truth is, i don't think really either happened. mrs may was damaged

before anyone spoke a word because of the fact she had not turned up, and jeremy corbyn really didn't get the space, maybe he was tired, but it was not a moment when he suddenly crashed through and had a huge impact. so no real big winners, i don't think about my colleague vicki young was following the debate. with a week to go, this was a chance for all the parties to pitch their offer to voters and, at the last minute, jeremy corbyn decided it was worth turning up for. theresa may was ridiculed for staying away. the prime minister is not here, she can't be bothered, so why should you? unlike theresa may, i'm not afraid to defend my principles and values. it's the most important election in her lifetime and she cannot even be bothered to come and debate the issues at stake. it was left to her home secretary to fend off the attacks on cuts to public services, including disability benefits. i know there is no extra payment you don't want to add to, no tax you don't want to rise, but the fact is we have to concentrate our resources

on the people who need it most and we have to stop thinking, as you do, that there's a magic money tree. i would just say this, since amber rudd seems so confident this is a country at ease with itself — have you been to a food bank? have you seen people sleeping around our stations? have you seen... ? cheering and applause. for amber to say that this is a government that cares for those most vulnerable i think is downright insulting to the kind of people that i see in my constituency surgery. tim farron was keen to make the liberal democrat case for staying in the single market after brexit. the liberal democrats have got a fully costed manifesto. i'll tell you what, though, there's a long—term economic plan underlying the whole of the liberal democrat manifesto, and that is — don't leave the european single market and throw away £15 billion every single year in revenue. while others clashed over immigration, ukip suggesting britain would struggle to cope with rising numbers. we have to get the population under control, because if we carry on on the road we're on,

we'll have a population of 80 million by the middle of the century. ukip keep using this issue, they want to whip up people's hatred, division and fear, and that's why they talk about immigration all the time. no, no, no. i think this debate shames and demeans us all. i don't think there's anyone in this room or anybody watching this debate from cornwall to caithness who does not understand the positive contribution that people have made to this land who've come from the rest of europe and the rest of the world, and demonising those people is totally unacceptable. applause. this was a crowded field, with seven parties all desperate to have their say. and, as the party in government, it wasn't surprising that the conservatives came under sustained attack over their record. their response was to say that being in power requires difficult decisions. there were no clear winners in this debate, but there was plenty of passion. vicki young, bbc news, cambridge. my

my sense is that by and large all the leaders did 0k my sense is that by and large all the leaders did ok but if i had to pick out two who i think outperformed the others i would probably go with caroline lucas and amber rudd. caroline lucas disproving those who may be the green politicians are friendly, not going to be two argy—bargy by really going to be two argy—bargy by really going in against amber rudd to say it was downright insulting of the tories to say they are protecting the poorest in society. and amber rudd stuck to some fairly simple, effective lines about jeremy rudd stuck to some fairly simple, effective lines aboutjeremy corbyn having a fa ntasyland effective lines aboutjeremy corbyn having a fantasyland economics, believing there was a magic money tree to pay for everything, and amidst all the shouting and arguing those simple minds, i suspect committed perhaps come through. thank you very much, norman. annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. two brothers whose father shot dead

their mother and sister described him as behaving like a terrorist. lance hart killed his wife and daughter outside swimming pool in spalding lastjuly daughter outside swimming pool in spalding last july before daughter outside swimming pool in spalding lastjuly before turning the weapon on himself. his sons luke and ryan have told this programme that domestic abuse is not necessarily defined by violence but by the mindset of the perpetrator. they describe a lifetime of struggle in end during their father's controlling behaviour. the thing we learned in the end with oui’ the thing we learned in the end with our father, he the thing we learned in the end with ourfather, he had the mentality of a terrorist, willing to kill himself to achieve what he achieved, and someone to achieve what he achieved, and someone who is that fundamental, you cannot stop, and i think that is the thing that makes our case so difficult for us to comprehend, it almost feels like we weren't safe whatever we did, you know? if we had stayed, he was planning to kill us there and given the fact we had left, you'd then just applied there and given the fact we had left, you'd thenjust applied it there and given the fact we had left, you'd then just applied it in different terms. you can see that full interview later in the programme. chinese and european union leaders

are preparing to issue a joint statement supporting the paris accord on climate change. they will declare the agreement is more important than ever and say they are stepping up plans to cut carbon emissions. president trump is expected to announce at 8pm this evening british time whether he is withdrawing the us from the paris deal. a prisoner who overpowered his guards to escape from hospital has been recaptured in wiltshire. michal kisiel, who police described as dangerous, was spotted by a member of the public yesterday evening. more than 5500 cases of child sexual abuse linked to the internet were recorded by police forces in england and wales over the last year. the figures, obtained by the nspcc, show a 44% rise over the previous year. the charity is calling for stricter internet safety measures to protect children. to ensure that government is regulating companies in the same way as they would be regulating cos off—line, and what that looks like

is ensuring that children's privacy online is on as a default when they are going online, all children, young people under the age of 18, and we also want to ensure the government imposes fines on companies that flout those regulations. police investigating the manchester arena bombing have released a 21—year—old man from nuneaton without charge. ten people remain in custody as detectives try to establish whether the bomber, salman abedi, had any help. meanwhile, tickets for a benefit concert in aid of the victims of the attack will go on sale later this morning. artists including katie perry, take that, justin bieber and coldplay will all perform alongside ariana grande at the event on sunday. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30am. thank you very much. if you are getting in touch, you are very welcome, you can use

getting in touch, you are very welcome, you can use the hashtag and if you text we will have to charge you, the standard network rate. let's get some sport with holly, a big few weeks the cricket in this country with the champion/ the? that's right, if you are a cricket fan you will know this is the second biggest tournament in global 50 over cricket and this time england are the favourites. they kick off against bangladesh at the oval at 10:30am this morning and while there isa 10:30am this morning and while there is a lot of expectation england have an exciting young team this year but the champion/ pic is a competition where everyday matters so teams just cannot slip up. as well as the champions trophy in england and wales we have the women's world cup this month so it is an important summer for the sport. highlights of the champions trophy will be on the bbc, which will ensure the tournament can

perhaps reach a wider audience than it has before and maybe stop the decline of participation among young people which it has had in recent yea rs, people which it has had in recent years, and get more into the public consciousness. a win for england would certainly get people talking about cricket. two days before the british lions start their tour and there is talk about the packed schedule? we heard a lot about this yesterday, they arrived in new zealand and it really is quite a gruelling schedule. they have had their first bull session at the stadium in albany and we do know that it will be sam warburton who will captain the squad in the opening match against the barbarians which will happen on saturday, his first game since suffering a knee injury back in april. warburton has said he feels the talk around this packed schedule has been blown way out of proportion, and head coach warren gatland has said he feels the squad are ready and he has said that he feels it is very important keeping the squad together early on and he doesn't want to split up the squad

in the way that perhaps graham henry did in australia in 2001. it is paramount for these guys at the moment. i know the players involved with graham henry in 2001, he lost half the team on day one because, you guys over here, you quys because, you guys over here, you guys over because, you guys over here, you guys over there, and the players knew straightaway, that is the test side, we arejust making up the numbers. i think it is important these guys feel like they are putting themselves in the shop window, that they have a chance to go and prove themselves. the lions‘ first match against the provincial barbarians. it is also worth mentioning that warren gatland's sun has been confirmed in that team so we could see some father—son rivalry on saturday. let's hope so. andy murray plays again in the french open in a few minutes? that is right, that is happening very shortly, we should see that happening. this follows the much that happened earlier this week, there was a lot of debate around

martin klizan, who had a much earlier this week, he had been suffering with some calf problems and limped his way through that first round, his opponent resulted haka accused him of faking it and the umpire had to come in and separate them. andy murray now have this much coming up, he himself has been accused of being a bit of a drama queen in the past, these two have not met since last october so it could be interesting, definitely one worth watching. cheers, holly, thank you, more from holly throughout the morning. i have recorded an interview this morning with two brothers, luke and ryan hart, one is 27, one is 26, they are speaking for the first time about the fact that their father last year killed their mother and their sister, charlotte, aged 19. there she is. they have never spoken

before, the reason that they want to speak now, there is a picture of their mum, claire, the reason they wa nt to their mum, claire, the reason they want to speak now is to talk about the controlling behaviour the family experience at the hands of their father, lance hart, the years and yea rs father, lance hart, the years and years and the fact that they did not realise that that was wrong, that it was not normal in most families. so, do listen, do watch the interview, which is coming up after 10am. they are two quite remarkable and very courageous young men. that is just after 10am this morning. lots and lots and lots of you have beenin lots and lots and lots of you have been in touch to say how much you are enjoying our election blind dates series, where we bring together two people over lunch, two people with very different views. today, tv historian and feminist mary beard meets strip club owner peter stringfellow.

they both claim to be feminists — but who will win the argument? there is quite a lot of flirting. this is how they got on. there is an election on and people are talking politics. so what happens when you send two people with opposing views on the launch date? i'm well nervous. this has been so long, literally! will sparks fly? you see people who can work and choose not to. it angers me. you look gloriously distinguished and slightly hunky. you are quite a pretty lady. get that on camera! when people stand at the dispatch box and tell me there is more money and education, i look around and wonder where it has gone? it is not in my children's school.

i would summarise my politics very simply as the maverick left and proud. iam merely simply as the maverick left and proud. i am merely bearded and i am a professor of classics at the university of kent reg. i do roman documentaries on bbc. it has got my face out there for a better or much worse. i floated around, face out there for a better or much worse. ifloated around, sometimes voting labour, sometimes voting lib dem. what is politics about? days about thrashing things out. things don't get thrashed out now. many of my political opponents are wrong! but i don't think they are stupid. i'm ready. put the soft focus on, i

think. it always amazes me that people do know who i am. i'm peter stringfellow. not peter, the nightclub guy. paris, new york, miami. i realise that me and the conservatives have a lot in common. if you go for lunch with me, you have to be very special. i don't do lunches. sex is night—time. lunch? what do you do with lunch? i don't know. it does feel a bit like a blind date, really. and i have been reflecting who it might be. laughter. that's ok. i'm happy. how you? i'm good. i'm very happy. good. great

place for lunch. i hope you are impressed! right, nihilism, you are going to have to remind me of your full name. mary beard. and you? peter stringfellow. it is surprisingly like a blind date. i haven't had a blind date for about 40 haven't had a blind date for about a0 yea rs. haven't had a blind date for about a0 years. i was sitting here and i thought, i'm beginning to feel a bit nervous. i never, thought, i'm beginning to feel a bit nervous. | never, ever thought, i'm beginning to feel a bit nervous. i never, ever had a blind date. you are my first. let's enjoy it. two poached eggs on toast. i'm going to have a cheese omelette. wait a going to have a cheese omelette. waita minute, going to have a cheese omelette. wait a minute, let me get this right. £2 40. reasonable as well. reasonable?! i'm going to be the

cheapest launch date you have ever had! the idea of high taxes i don't believe in at all. taxes lead to a low economy. i know it is a fact there is a flow down. forget the word trickle. my gut instinct is to think there is a prime facey case that if you are very rich you haven't paid your taxes. to a degree. but they have probably found legal loopholes. let's get back to real people who vote on aspirations. they want a better house, a better car, i.e., for instance, paid for my kids' education. we have good holidays. i own a couple of houses. this is taken me 50 odd years to get. i have been up and down like a

yo—yo. people like me, when we come down, we have to go back up again. we are not academics. you are a bit ofan we are not academics. you are a bit of an academic. that's my day job. there's nothing wrong with that. i wish i was educated. people like me are not pretending to be the saviours of the world. we are a bit selfish. we want a better life. but in ourawake, selfish. we want a better life. but in our awake, people are making money. they have gotjobs. they will get a better life. now what is wrong... i'm still working. i'm 76 and i'm still working. what do you say to me? i'm not in your league of wealth. i have one house, i am co mforta bly wealth. i have one house, i am comfortably off. and i see no reason why i should not contribute more from my income, which i can well afford to do, to people who are doing absolutely vital, necessary

jobs, and are underpaid. we have an obligation to do this. forgive me if i say this, i'm assuming something here. you don't create jobs, do you, with what you do? addy got a housekeeper? no. you haven't got a housekeeper?! i thought everybody had a housekeeper! i employ people within my business. and they rely upon me. and they rely upon my success. upon me. and they rely upon my success. i don't know anybody, maybe you were the first one, who doesn't wa nt you were the first one, who doesn't want a bigger house, a better house, a betterjob, a better family. you don't care about that? my desire is not to be richer. with all respect, i pay not to be richer. with all respect, i pay ludicrous amounts of tax. it is my company, i own it. i have a massive salary which helps keep my

family. i keep a lot of people going. and i contribute to this incredibly —— economy, incredibly. absolutely. i'm not trying to impugn your morals. some people's moreaux i would impugn, but yours, no. there isa would impugn, but yours, no. there is a very simple point about human justice. i see very, very little sign in what the tories say or do or their record, of them recognising and joining me their record, of them recognising andjoining me in their record, of them recognising and joining me in saying this is unfair. poached eggs. i'm having coffee. what are you going to have? i have a copy you. —— you have a copy. my mother used to hate crumbs. let's get on to a bit of the...|j

can't let's get on to a bit of the...” can't wait, mary! what? i let's get on to a bit of the...” can't wait, mary! what? lam let's get on to a bit of the...” can't wait, mary! what? i am a feminist. i don't necessarily agree with front line troops being female but they want to be. therefore the feminist in me says they must do what they wish to do. i interpret feminism as being —— saying quite simply, women can do what they want to do and not be told by a man. so if they want to take their clothes off? they can. what they do is entirely up to them within the scope of the law. then they go on to make money at your level? of course not. they make their money and go into their own businesses. these people are entrepreneurs themselves. they come from all around europe. this is

one of the reasons i am a remainer, of course. that's wonderful! can i just slightly parody you and say, i'm a remainer because i want all of those nice eastern european girls to come and take their clothes off in my club! i like all those european people to come and earn money in my club. i don't think you are anything other than sincere. but i would challenge is your simplistic notion that feminism is about what women wa nt to that feminism is about what women want to do. because the whole point, it seems to me, but women's choices is that they are deeply determined bya is that they are deeply determined by a whole range of things. they haven't got a free choice. you agree

with it. that is what you are saying. no. i would with it. that is what you are saying. no. iwould be interested to talk to some of your girls. maybe i will get a chance one day. why do you think they would talk to you? because you feel they have got to? would you go up to somebody on the street and say, why are you painting? why are you driving this truck? maybe this bbc team can set it up like they have today. let me just tell you something. you are quite a pretty lady. get that on camera! get it on camera! call me inconsistent. call me inconsistent! you have a great smile, lovely sparkling eyes. i am what i am. i have had a lot of major run—ins with

people who are really saying to me, look darling, you're grey—haired, why don't you diet? county do something about your teeth? please make yourself look prettier for us. i don't know that world. i don't know the world of people who would say that to you. i don't know those kind of people. don't you think you under pennetta? it is a very different world for a man with grey hairthanfora woman different world for a man with grey hair than for a woman with grey hair. you look kind of gloriously distinguished, slightly hunky. hit me with it. i'm good looking, and i?! ifyou me with it. i'm good looking, and i?! if you are me with it. i'm good looking, and i?! ifyou are a me with it. i'm good looking, and i?! if you are a woman with grey hair, you are constantly told that you should do something about yourself. now you might say that has nothing to do with your business, but i would say that you have to

look to what underpins and justifies that particular way ofjudging women. and one of the things that underpins it is your girls in your clu bs, underpins it is your girls in your clubs, who are actually really in our represent, in normative view of female beauty. no. i've got to say no. i'll answer it as best i can. sadly, you have bumped into some weird people. the women i know will judge young women while they are young, toll— booths, big judge young women while they are young, toll—booths, big boobs, you name it, fora young, toll—booths, big boobs, you name it, for a little while. but women do the same two men. i like a guy with taxes, no hair. look at me, i'm 76, coming up 277, i have got

two young babies, a gorgeous former ballerina wife at 34, two young babies, a gorgeous former ballerina wife at 3a, 35, i hope i have got that right, and i that judged. 0h have got that right, and i that judged. oh my god, she is only with him for the money. it's rubbish. judged. oh my god, she is only with him forthe money. it's rubbish. do icare? him forthe money. it's rubbish. do i care? does my wife care? no. we're not talking about a world in which nobodyjudges no one else. but you tend to stop your analysis to quit. how does power influence money, aspiration, related to those ideas ofjudgment? i don't get that at all. someone like me has grown up looking at the telly and wrinkly old guys... i'm taking this personal! i quite like wrinkly old guys. i am looking at wrinkly old guys and young women with blonde hair, women over 50. one of the commonest things they say is, i feel invisible now.

we judge everything. we judge cars, we judge everybody. we judge everything. we judge cars, wejudge everybody. it's we judge everything. we judge cars, we judge everybody. it's no good just saying that. ijust we judge everybody. it's no good just saying that. i just want to say that you... i'd love to teach you, peter. i'd like to set you an essay to write. and i would like to have a good real barney about it.” to write. and i would like to have a good real barney about it. i know more than you. i have lived longer. i have had more experience than you. your experience is quite limited. mine is massive. you have no idea about how limited my experience is! i talk about extended my experience when i say, it would be quite interesting to talk to some of the women in your club, and you say, why do they want to speak to you?” didn't say that. i didn't! merhi, i

have enjoyed having lunch with you. have you changed my view? are nothing, to be honest, but it has been good to learn about you.” nothing, to be honest, but it has been good to learn about you. i am paying! no, this is where political correctness goes out of the window, lam correctness goes out of the window, iaman correctness goes out of the window, i am an old—fashioned guy. if you are an old—fashioned lady, you will let me have it! it is an old—fashioned joke. let me have it! it is an old-fashioned joke. you can keep the change. mary, it is a draw. we didn't come in order to win! 0h, yes, we did! after you. i enjoyed it. so did i. i didn't convince you on anything? not

really, no. and i think within the uk you do have the opportunity to aspire and go forth.” uk you do have the opportunity to aspire and go forth. i think that is where, on reflection, our or disagreement comes from.” where, on reflection, our or disagreement comes from. i have to say this, i am living proof that you are wrong. i left school at 15, backstreet of sheffield, you could not get any more working—class than me, andl not get any more working—class than me, and i have done it, ifi not get any more working—class than me, and i have done it, if i can do it anyone can. you are living proof that you can do it, you are not living proof that anyone else can. if you have ambition in the uk, you can go places. i admire you, your academic qualifications are incredible, but you are somewhat... protected, and i haven't been, and you have been. once you have been to my club, me and you will agree on everything! and me and your husband will as well. i am waiting for you, robin, that is his name? yes, it is!

i have forgotten what i wanted to say, you put me off my stride! that is one of my problems in life!” just imagine what some of my best friends are going to say... can i come with you?! no, they are not, stringfellow, they are going to say, mary, you just let him get away with it! i think that you probably ought to come and see what life is like for a job being working academic in cambridge... i'd love to. becausei think people often think this is ivory tower, privilege, don't face the real world. ivory tower, privilege, don't face the realworld. come and ivory tower, privilege, don't face the real world. come and see. and then we can have lunch.” the real world. come and see. and then we can have lunch. i think we will keep on being friends. i think it will be very interesting to know what i think after i have been to the club. i do not predict that my mind will be much changed, but you never know. i know you, you are a lady for life, a good live of life,

and i'm sure you will enjoy the nightclub. thank you! it is a date! is that 0k, folks? so anyway, oxford and is that ok, folks? so anyway, oxford and cambridge... thank you, gentlemen. my mother would turn in her grave, i am from an era of men... gabby is not impressed. this is a carefully constructed bit of propaganda. just because a classics scholar, mary beard, she said, if i was a member of the labour party i would vote for coping. can anyone think this is balanced journalism? what a joke. another says, stri ngfellow what a joke. another says, stringfellow and mary beard meeting, he does not half interrupted a lot! and another makes the same point,

clearly loves himself more than anyone else does. peters says, peter stri ngfellow anyone else does. peters says, peter stringfellow is proving the need for tax and taxing more. he is also under the delusion you can pay for everything yourself. good luck buying a motorway, peter, hospital, a police force, or an army. thank you for those, if you are getting in touch, use the hashtag #victorialive. or there is always facebook. and tomorrow, labour'sjess phillips and conservativejohn whittingdale go on an election blind date and talk ambition, heavy metal and — rubbish... i was iwas in i was in wilkinson is buying some bin bags the other day and somebody was like that, i cannot believe you are in wilkinsons! i was like, i have to put things in the bin! i don't have people to put things in my bins! that is tomorrow. tickets for sunday's memorial

concert in manchester with ariana grande, justin bieber and coldplay, go on sale in about half—an—hour‘s time — we'll be talking to someone who was at the concert when the attack took place, and has been given a free ticket for the event. and, in afghanistan, as residents clear the debris after yesterday's car bomb attack in kabul, which killed at least 90 people, we'll be speaking to a man who lost his colleague in the blast, and afghanistan's uk ambassador will also be here. here's annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. theresa may will again put brexit at the heart of the conservative campaign today as she faces continued criticism for failing to take part in last night's television debate with other party leaders. the tories were represented by the home secretary, amber rudd, in an event which saw heated exchanges on a range of issues. labour leaderjeremy corbyn clashed with amber rudd over cuts, while she

said only the conservatives were strong enough to negotiate brexit. today at 3.30pm on bbc news, we will be putting your questions about issues which affect older people in this election to our personal finance correspondent and two pensions experts. if you have a question on the pensions triple lock, social care, or inheritance tax, you can get in touch via twitter using the hashtag #bbcaskthis, or text your questions to 6112a, and you can email us as well at askthis@bbc.co.uk. two brothers whose father shot dead their mother and sister have described him as behaving like a terrorist. lance hart killed his wife claire and daughter charlotte outside a swimming pool in spalding lastjuly before turning the weapon on himself. his sons luke and ryan have told this programme that domestic abuse isn't necessarily defined by violence but by the mindset of the perpetrator. they describe a lifetime of struggle

enduring their father's controlling behaviour. the thing we learned in the end was, with ourfather, he had the mentality of a terrorist, he was willing to kill himself to achieve what he achieved, and someone who is that fundamental, you can't stop, and i think that is the thing that makes our case so difficult for us to comprehend, it almost feels like we weren't safe whatever we did, you know? if we had stayed, he was planning to kill us there and given the fact we'd left, he then justified it in different terms. president trump is expected to announce at 8pm this evening whether he will be withdrawn from the us from the paris climate change deal. more than 5500 cases of child sexual abuse linked to the internet were recorded by police forces

in england and wales over the last year. the figures, obtained by the nspcc, show a aa% rise over the previous year. the charity is calling for stricter internet safety measures to protect children. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10am. holly is back with the latest board. just over an hour to go before the start of the champions trophy, cricket's second biggest global 50 over competition. hosts england are favourite to win their first major 50 over global title and start this morning against bangladesh at the oval. less tha n oval. less than a8 hours until the british and irish lions‘ first match of their tour of new zealand and head coach warren gatland insists he won‘t make the same mistake as his predecessor by splitting the squads for tests and matches. martina navratilova has repeated her call for the margaret court arena at the australian open to be renamed, describing court is a racist and homophobic following her comments

about homosexuality. and andy murray is back in action at the french open this morning facing the french open this morning facing the world number 50 in the second round. britain‘s kyle edmund is on court later as well. those are the headlines, more after 10am. tickets for ariana grande‘s one love manchester concert at go on sale at 10am this morning. the event at old trafford on sunday will be broadcast on bbc one and raise money for those affected by the suicide bombing last monday, which left 22 people dead. our entertainment reporter chi chi izundu is here. it is quite an astonishing line—up. we have the likes ofjustin bieber, miley cyrus, katy perry, take that, the black eyed peas also confirmed they will be performing. tony walsh, they will be performing. tony walsh, the poet, who read the manchester pairing the day after the attack, he has also agreed to perform, there will be a performance from a local

school choir and there were rumours of other artists like madonna, races, a big rumourabout of other artists like madonna, races, a big rumour about them reforming because the black eyed peas, one of them accidentally mentioned them in at wid but there is no confirmation, we expect other surprise names to be announced as the days go on. tickets go on sale, those who were at the concert a week last monday will get a free ticket, we are told... if they registered by 10pm last night. what about measures being put in place to stop tickets being resold on the secondary websites for a profit? this is an offshoot a lot of people are worried about, website said they will not allow the resale of charity events will not allow the resale of charity eve nts o n will not allow the resale of charity events on their platforms. stubhub have said the same. we have tried to

contact viagogo, they have not confirmed they won‘t allow the resale. so anyone‘s guess if they appear on that platform. are there any estimate as to how much money this charity concert could raise for families and relatives of those who were killed and injured? they are expecting the amount to raise about £2 million, tickets are going for about £a0 each that this is just going for about £a0 each that this isjust on the going for about £a0 each that this is just on the ticket sales. let‘s not forget that hmv have said they will donate all the proceeds of the album that they plan to put together of the artists, bube oval match all of the artists, bube oval match all of the artists, bube oval match all of the receipts they get from taking people there and back —— uber will match. a lot of artists also getting theirfans to match. a lot of artists also getting their fans to donate, likejustin timberlake, tom hardy, so it should raise in excess of 2 million.

we can now speak to a fan who hopes to be at sunday‘s concert. vina lives in manchester and was at the ariana show last monday, and so can register for a free ticket. thank you for talking to us. you we re thank you for talking to us. you were at the original gig with your 1a—year—old cousin, as i understand it. you were inside the arena when the explosion happened. when were you aware that an explosion had happened? my cousin and i heard the bomb exploded, we were confused because we did not know what it was and we realised it was dangerous when everyone else started screaming and then we kind ofjust tried to run away out of the arena. how has the last week and a half been for you? very tough for me. the first four days i just remember crying you? very tough for me. the first four days ijust remember crying the whole time but for the past few days i have been a lot better. everyone

has been very supportive to me. what do you think about going to this concert on sunday? i really want to 90, concert on sunday? i really want to go, although i‘m very scared to go because you never know what really is going to happen, but i feel like i need to pay my respects to the ones who unfortunately did pass away. and what are you expecting from the event, what do you think it is going to be like? i feel like this is a healing process, so if i do go there it will be like a first step tojoin together do go there it will be like a first step to join together and be stronger than we were before. thank you very much, vina, thank you for talking to us. next, hospitals in the afghan capital couple are appealing for blood supplies to treat hundreds of people injured in yesterday‘s devastating suicide bombing. afghan president ashraf ghani has

condemned the attack in the capital kabul, which killed at least 90 people, as "cowardly". this was the scene in couple yesterday, the capital of afghanistan. a suicide attacker detonated a powerful bomb creating this huge crater, sending doors and windows flying hundreds of meters. it was driven into the diplomatic area of the city in a tanker during morning rush hour. at least 90 people were killed and hundreds more injured, mostly civilians. the taliban and so—called islamic state are the main suspects. but neither group has claimed responsibility. it isa group has claimed responsibility. it is a city where the taliban have a long history. in the late 90s it controlled kabul and imposed a ha rdline late 90s it controlled kabul and imposed a hardline islamic rule on

its citizens. then came 9/11, terrorists attacked the united states by flying hijacked planes into the world trade center and other targets. the islamist terror group al-qaeda will swiftly identified as the main suspect. its leader, osama bin laden, was closely linked to this taliban who publicly condemned the attacks. they refused to release him to international justice. the us invaded afghanistan and pushed the taliban out of kabul. international forces took responsibility for security across the country. a new regime was set up and after it had been in place a decade outside military withdrew. in 201a, control was handed back to afg ha n forces. 201a, control was handed back to afghan forces. since then, in surge has been rising in afghanistan, there has been a surge in taliban activity, along with the number of attacks by so—called islamic state. there have been several attacks in kabul itself. there are some suggestions that...

let‘s talk to afghanistan‘s are it in the uk. also a british afghan charity workers. and also, someone who lost their colleague in yesterday‘s attack. view our director of afghanistan‘s biggest news station and yesterday you lost one of your engineers, i understand. tell us about him? it was a very tragic attack. we were very saddened and horrified that we lost our colleague in a terrorist attack. we lost seven of our colleagues just last year. this is the first casualty this year. certainly very heartbreaking. he was a very passionate young man and committed

to the future of the country. he was a lwa ys to the future of the country. he was always having a smile on his face, coming to work so passionate. i used to know him closely. it was certainly heartbreaking to lose him yesterday. ambassador, this was a terrible day for your country?‘ very difficult day even by kabul standards. people were going about their lives, mostly civilians are civil servants, and they were targeted. many people died. the gentleman who died was a father of four. many others were similar. your family are in kabul. security is a huge issue. it is not secure enough? it is. i was there earlier this month. and at times when i met with young people i felt like afghanistan

is changing, the mood is more positive, and people are now entering the civil society, the government and institutions were hopeful. people have returned to afghanistan and want to support the development process, but it is the tax like this are extremely demoralising the young generation. although campaigns are set up to support people to stay inside afghanistan and not seek refuge outside, i think the regular occurrence of such attacks can have a devastating attack —— effect for afghanistan's future. what can your government to do better protect its people? for every attack that takes place in kabul, and yesterday is an example, we intercept dozens. do you? yes, definitely. hundreds of suspects have been detained. dozens

of car bombs have been intercepted in kabuland other of car bombs have been intercepted in kabul and other cities. unfortunately, in some instances, car bombs or terrorists will make it into the city. that is unfortunate. that is why yesterday, the president asked for a further national consultation to further galvanise the support for the afghan security forces, and also seek more support forces, and also seek more support for the region for our peace efforts. explained to our british audience what you believe the insurgents... clearly they are sowing terror across the capital. but what do they want? they have been fighting for what they proclaim to bea been fighting for what they proclaim to be a specific type of government. but what they receive is the support, logistical and financial, from the region. the fight in afghanistan is not just from the region. the fight in afghanistan is notjust for the sake of afghanistan, it is for the sake of afghanistan, it is for the sake of the stability of the region and the world. we have seen the taliban.

now we see other groups, isis, daesh, with more of a fundamentalist agenda. as you explained in your earlier answer, you regularly face this threat as you simply try to do your day job. this threat as you simply try to do your dayjob. what is your view about what would make the capital more stable, more safe, more secure, for you and your colleagues? we have two understand this was a security failure. if you look at where the blast happened and the proximity of one kilometre in any direction, you see dozens of police, army, intelligence checkpoints. a truck full of explosives, now they say close to 2000 kg, getting into the green zone. that is certainly a failure. one has to be accountable.

i think the afghan government definitely needs to come out. it is plain to the afghan people... what we saw yesterday was a clear indication that... there is not the right security, institutions or leadership. ambassador, briefly. how do you respond to that? there is not the leadership to make the city stable. we are facing similar attacks all over the world, including city is well organised and protected such as london. when we're fighting the enemy we had 150,000 troops just a year ago enemy we had 150,000 troops just a yearago in enemy we had 150,000 troops just a year ago in afghanistan... we wouldn't be seeing these kind of incidents. that is why the

government is taking responsibility and have ta ken government is taking responsibility and have taken measures. thank you, all of you. thank you very much for talking to us this morning. we appreciate your time. still to come, we will speak to to brothers who speak about their own father, whose shot dead their mother and sister. you can define the personality, psychopathic lack of empathy. that give somebody the capacity to do horrible things. if you have experienced controlling behaviour and you are able to tell us behaviour and you are able to tell us about that experience, please do get in touch. you can read more about luke and ryan and their experience of growing up with controlling father, on the bbc site.

a discursive the most read article on the news site. —— it is currently. at eight o‘clock tonight president trump will tell the world view is withdrawing from the paris accord on climate change. chinese and eu leaders are coming together to stress the importance of the paris climate agreement, after rumours donald trump may pull the us out of it. the paris deal is designed to limit the global rise in temperature that‘s down to damaging emissions. 195 countries out of 197 agreed to keep global temperature rises well below the level of 2c. ideally to 1.5 degrees. they also agreed to limit greenhouse gases to the level that can be absorbed naturally. and the plan is to review each country‘s contribution to cutting emissions every five years. earlier the foreign secretary boris johnson told the bbc it‘s not certain trump will pull out. let‘s see what the president

actually does. there are a number of different strokes he could play. but yes, of course, we want to see america continued to show leadership on climate change and in reducing c02 on climate change and in reducing co2 emissions. and we continue to lobby with the americans to encourage them to do that. to those who are worried about what the president might or might not be about to do, and i stress we are not there yet, i just want to make about to do, and i stress we are not there yet, ijust want to make one point, which is that it is the state governments at state level that so many of the important games have been made in the last few years, in reducing co2. and we will continue to work as the uk with all levels of government in the united states, we will continue to work with our friends and partners in the white house and the federal government, but also of course with the state

governments. america, like the uk, has actually made huge progress in reducing co2, very often through a lot of technical fixes of one kind or another. we want to encourage that process. when i was mayor of london, frexit —— for example, we reduced co2 by 1a%. the bbc‘s environment correspondent, matt mcgrath, joins me now. what will he do? it looks like he will take the united states out of the paris agreement. he promised it on the campaign trail, he has made several tweets and comment about it. and now the end of the reality show, he is going to do something this evening. the belief is that he will pull out. it wouldn‘t surprise me if he did something else. but the belief from sources is that he will pull out. and if he does do that, what difference will it make? that isa what difference will it make? that is a very good question. it will ta ke is a very good question. it will take him four years to do that. he may well be out of office by then. i

think in practical terms in cutting emissions and things like that, it will not make that much of a different initially. the us is the richest country with the second most emissions. it is important they are at the table. it is the moral sense of leadership that would be missing. the other countries are content to move on without the us. i suppose moral leadership, that sense of we are all in it together, small countries matter, i think that will really hurt the united states and the deal as well. as i explained in the deal as well. as i explained in the introduction, he thinks it is bad for business. does he acknowledge that temperatures are rising? he has always been a bit iffy. he says there may be some contribution from human activity. he has told his campaign, he has told his base, he was going to do this. in the white house there are a group of people who are very strong economic nationalists who believe that climate change is not a problem and that basically the us would be

better off without it. he thinks he can makea better off without it. he thinks he can make a good economic argument for pulling the us out. some say it detracts from his other problems, the sacking of james detracts from his other problems, the sacking ofjames comey, is son—in—law. .. the sacking ofjames comey, is son-in-law. .. it is the sacking ofjames comey, is son-in-law... it is an easy the sacking ofjames comey, is son-in-law. .. it is an easy win frame. it doesn‘t change anything straightaway. he gets a lot of pain in the neck from the rest of the world and that that may play well in the rest of the united states. news and sport in a moment, before that, the weather. todayis the weather. today is the start of meteorological summer today is the start of meteorological summerand we today is the start of meteorological summer and we had a lovely sunrise this morning. if you are not up at a:a0am, i have got some great pictures. our weather watchers were out in force. the first one comes in from norfolk. look of those dark reds, the oranges. a beautiful sight. another one from hampshire.

this morning we have got some sunshine across some part of the uk. further north and west, noticed this area of cloud, which brings rain to northern ireland and western scotland. temperatures getting into the low 20s today. where you have got that cloud, it will be a little bit disappointing. this is the highlands. with that, there will be some outbreaks of rain. this cold front will move gradually south and east. not making much inroads into england and wales. staying largely drive this afternoon across england and wales. this is about four o‘clock this afternoon. sunshine for much of south—west england, in towards the south—east as well. temperatures 2a to 26 degrees. sunny spells across much of the midlands. cloud increasing in wales. also towards cumbria, lancashire. rain from the isle of man and much of northern ireland, limited to eastern parts. rain heavy in the west of

scotland. temperatures fresher. for this evening, this area of rain will just make very gradual process —— progress further east. england and wales will have a muggy night. a bit fresher further north and west. during friday, this area of rain will continue to move eastward. again it will be very slow. it will break up. behind it, sunny spells and showers. fresher conditions in the north and west. look at the sunshine in the south—east, temperatures potentially 28 degrees. behind that weather front, 1a to 16. that warm air will eventually move away. it will bring some thunderstorms on thursday evening. it will tear. all of us, low pressure in charge in the atlantic. that brings the air in from the west. and with it, quite a bit of

cloud. sunny spells towards eastern parts. quite heavy showers at times towards northern and western areas. by towards northern and western areas. by sunday that process continues. sunny spells, some showers, bit fresher. temperatures could get to 21 degrees in the 70s. good morning, it is just after 10am, it is thursday, i‘m victoria derbyshire. shot dead in a car park — the man who murdered his wife and daughter before killing himself. we‘ll hear from his two sons, who say their father was like a terrorist. it doesn‘t hit you in one go and then you have to deal with it, it seeps into you and it‘s just really disorientating. i think for me, there‘s still a huge amount of confusion because you obviously try and make sense, obviously you can‘t make sense of total evil. also this morning, loads of you getting in touch about the latest in our election blind date series, where a certain nightclub owner debates feminism and brexit

with a cambridge professor. peter, this is wonderful! can ijust slightly parody you and say i am a remainer because i want all those nice eastern european girls to come and take their clothes off in my club. no, i like all those european people to come and earn money in my club. the english are more than welcome, as well. and you can watch the full conversation back on our programme page at bbc.co.uk/victoria. hair loss affects 8 million women in the uk. nadiya someone has spoken about the life changing effects of losing her hair. he said to me i actually did have... do have the balding gene. that‘s not

funny. i didn‘t know women could have the balding gene. we‘ll hear from bucks fizz‘s cheryl baker, who had her own battle with alopecia and recovered, and from singer songwriter nell bryden, who was completely bald by the age of 33. here‘s annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today‘s news. theresa may will again put brexit at the heart of the conservative campaign today as she faces continued criticism for failing to take part in last night‘s television debate with other party leaders. the tories were represented by the home secretary, amber rudd, in an event which saw heated exchanges on a range of issues. labour leaderjeremy corbyn clashed with ms rudd over cuts, while she said only the conservatives were strong enough to negotiate brexit. today at 3.30pm on bbc news, we will be putting your questions about issues which affect older people in this election to our

personal finance correspondent and two pensions experts. if you have a question on the pensions triple lock, social care, or inheritance tax, you can get in touch via twitter using the hashtag #bbcaskthis, or text your questions to 6112a, and you can email us as well at askthis@bbc.co.uk. two brothers whose father shot dead their mother and sister have described him as behaving like a terrorist. lance hart killed his wife claire and daughter charlotte outside a swimming pool in spalding last july before turning the weapon on himself. his sons luke and ryan have told this programme that domestic abuse isn‘t necessarily defined by violence but by the mindset of the perpetrator. they describe a lifetime of struggle enduring their father‘s controlling behaviour. and you can see victoria‘s full interview with luke and ryan in a few minutes‘ time,

just after this bulletin. chinese and european union leaders are preparing to issue a joint statement supporting the paris accord on climate change. they‘ll declare that the agreement is more important than ever, and say they‘re stepping up plans to cut carbon emissions. president trump will announce at 8pm this evening british time whether he‘s withdrawing the us from the paris deal. more than 5500 cases of child sexual abuse linked to the internet were recorded by police forces in england and wales over the last year. the figures, obtained by the nspcc, show a aa% rise over the previous year. the charity is calling for stricter internet safety measures to protect children. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30am. i have some more comments on election blind date. dave, seems a lot more respect was given to opposing views on election blind

dates today than anywhere else in this election campaign. he is not the first make that point wayne says the bbc should make a documentary extending the feature, where they swap lives for a week. another says, credit to your programme, these features are weird and wonderful. another says, it is hilarious, put it on prime—time bbc one. anthony blair says, they would make a great couple, the best blind date. another, just switched onto a election blind dates to the mary beard and peter stringfellow discussing the election over poached eggs, iam discussing the election over poached eggs, i am glued! do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. holly is back with sport. just half an hour before england begin the start of their champions trophy campaign, cricket‘s second biggest global 50 over competition. the home side start as favourites as they face bangladesh this morning but would be taking it lightly, having lost to them in two consecutive world cup matches in 2011 and 2015.

but captain eoin morgan said it is a very different team now. last time you played them was a home series for bangladesh and we know how strong they are home. it was the first time they were beaten in five series at home so we take a lot of confidence from that. we know they area confidence from that. we know they are a strong team and this is their first champions trophy said that comes with an element of pressure as well. eoin morgan has won the toss and england will go first at the oval. british and irish live ‘s head coach warren gatland says he won‘t make the same mistake as his predecessor by splitting the teams. the squad has arrived in new zealand yesterday at the start of their tour. gatlin says suggestions the schedule is too tough are overblown and has spoken about the importance of keeping the squad together for the tests and matches, unlike graham henry in 2001. it is paramount for these guys at the moment. i know the players involved with graham henry in 2001, he lost half the team on day one

because he went, you guys every year, you guys over here, and the players knew straightaway, well, thatis players knew straightaway, well, that is a test side and we are just making up the numbers. i think it is important these guys feel like they are putting themselves in the shop window and have a chance to go and prove themselves. former arsenal and england captain tony adams says manager arsene wenger was not the best coach she ever had, despite the pair winning two premier league and fa cup doubles together. wenger yesterday was confirmed as staying in charge at the emirates with two more years. adams was speaking on bbc breakfast this morning. he is a fantastic physiologist, no—one could have done the change the transition from highbury to the emirates, it needed an economist and he is the best in the game at that. physical, like i say, preparation, recovery, best in the game. he is the best. but he has never been a coach, to me. he is a

good coach, don‘t get me wrong, but he is not the best i‘ve ever had. there are some fantastic coaches that taught me how to defend, arsenal never did that. tennis legend martina navratilova has accused another former wimbledon champion, margaret court, of being a homophobia in the wake of the australian‘s controversial comments about the lesbian and gay communities. court described tennis as "full of lesbians" yesterday after expressing her opposition to same—sex marriage. navratilova described chord as an amazing tennis player, and a racist and homophobic. she called some of the comment sick and dangerous. margaret court‘s abuse led to some players this week suggesting a boycott of the margaret court arena during the australian openin court arena during the australian open in melbourne. meanwhile andy murray plays world number 15 martin klizan of slovakia in the second round of the french open later. we will have the latest on that and the rest of the sport in

the next hour. thank you very much. on 19th july last year, a father of three grown—up children, lance hart, patiently lay in wait in a leisure centre car park in spalding holding a shotgun. he knew that his 19—year—old daughter charlotte and wife claire, who had escaped their controlling marriage four days earlier, were due to go swimming. as they walked towards the centre, he ambushed them and shot them both dead, before turning the gun on himself. in his car he left a 12—page suicide on a usb stick, saying "i had to do this. you destroyed my life without giving me a chance. revenge is a dish served cold." for the first time, their two remaining sons, charlotte‘s older brothers ryan and luke hart, have decided to speak out about the day that changed their lives forever. in an exclusive interview with us, they describe their father as a terrorist, saying his attack was the culmination of a lifetime of controlling behaviour.

there are some details in their interview with us that you may very upsetting. thank you for talking to us, the stubble. i want to start by asking you to tell us and our audience about your mum and your sister, charlotte. tell us what they were like. they were the most selfless people i think we‘ve ever met. for them, helping other people was what they lived for. i think we lived for them as well. it is hard to find words, really. mum and charlotte, as far back as i can remember, were like my entire world and because of how much love they gave us, i think we never realised the situation that we never realised the situation that we we re we never realised the situation that we were in. they created our world for us. we still live for them, in a

way, even though they are not here. tell us about your father and the way you were brought up, and his controlling behaviour?” way you were brought up, and his controlling behaviour? i think for most of our lives we didn‘t realise that we were in that situation. i think as kids we just detached ourselves, didn‘t understand, i guess, the situation we were in. he was very controlling. i think as he got older he demanded more from the family. it started out as just, got older he demanded more from the family. it started out asjust, i think, a power thing, family. it started out asjust, i think, a powerthing, he family. it started out asjust, i think, a power thing, he felt like he needed power over us. he developed financial control and slowly ratcheted away freedoms from all of us. luke and i went to university and i think when we left and it was just university and i think when we left and it wasjust mum and university and i think when we left and it was just mum and charlotte with him, he started to get worse.

charlotte is your little sister. you are 27, 26, and she was 19 when she died. he, as you said, he controlled the money. if you had a mcdonald‘s, you had to hide that. he kept your mum‘s passport in a safe, you wouldn‘t let her have a smartphone, why? i think we alwaysjust, growing up why? i think we alwaysjust, growing up with an adult like that, you just perceive that is some necessary control, part of running a family, behind—the—scenes there are things going on you don't understand. it is normal to you, you know? ithink going on you don't understand. it is normal to you, you know? i think he was always our masculine role model, just the thing that we understood to bea just the thing that we understood to be a father, so to us itjust seemed normality, you know? it is only in retrospect, really, that we can see

those sorts of behaviours were all based on power. it wasn't even that money was an issue and he was being financially controlling. it cost maybe a pound to go and do something, maybe take the dogs to obedience training, which charlotte used to love to do, and he used to stop it, but he would gamble online, he would waste whatever money we had doing whatever he wanted. i think for him it wasn't even about the money, it wasn't about the things, just the obstruction of control, as long as he felt in control it gave him,| long as he felt in control it gave him, i don't know, that's all he wanted, it didn't matter what he was doing he just felt that, and the thing that makes it really dangerous if he was always very self escalating in his behaviour. as his final act proved, he was incredibly self—destructive and for us it was always a matter of shaping around him, so we always had to give in, so after a while we never noticed it because we were so after a while we never noticed it because we were so used to giving in

and all based tiny ratcheting things he always did, and because we always gave in, we got to the point where, like you said, he has mum's keys and passports and document in the safe and we had no financial capability to do anything, and we realised that he had slowly taken everything away from us, and that was when we decided we had to leave. was their physical violence? no, decided we had to leave. was their physicalviolence? no, and i think thatis physicalviolence? no, and i think that is why we were so blind to our situation because we were looking out for physical violence, all of us were, that was i think going to be oursign were, that was i think going to be our sign that it was abuse. so i think, like luke said, the ratcheting away over decades, we didn‘t realise i guess the situation, we didn‘t understand it for what it actually was, so i think thatis for what it actually was, so i think that is one of the messages we want to get out, is that physical violence is not the only sign of domestic abuse. quite often there is

no physical violence. in our case, people would have seen it as maybe just a normal family... people would have seen it as maybe just a normalfamily... with people would have seen it as maybe just a normal family. .. with a dad who was a bit angry sometimes? we used the word protective, it was euphemistic, he was protective but would never let us protect ourselves, it was protection on his terms, which wasjust ourselves, it was protection on his terms, which was just total control in the end. had you thought in your own heads or had a conversation about it, if there was a bruise, we could go to the police? mum was recording everything that he did in a diary so we had it all written down but the things that we had written down were, en masse you could maybe present a case but as they were it was almost like... it was very difficult to see it for what it was, i think, and the thing that we learned in the end with our father, the mentality of a terrorist, he was willing to kill himself to achieve what he achieved, and someone who is that fundamental, you can't stop, and i think that

think that is the thing that makes our case so think that is the thing that makes our case so difficult for us to comprehend, it almost feels like we weren't safe comprehend, it almost feels like we we ren't safe whatever we comprehend, it almost feels like we weren't safe whatever we did, you know? if we had stayed, he was planning to kill us there and given the fact that we had left he then justified it on different terms. before he attacked your mum and charlotte, both of you had secretly managed to get your mum out of the family home into a rented place, four days before he attacked them. that was, presumably at that point you were thinking, this is freedom for my mum and charlotte, finally? yes. it was the first time i had ever seen one yes. it was the first time i had ever seen one that happy. we had worked secretly for the past month to set everything up without him realising. he had no idea. we had no idea until the last few days it was going ahead. it felt like a victory

on the day. what we didn‘t realise we re on the day. what we didn‘t realise were most murders occur after the family has moved out. so in reality we we re family has moved out. so in reality we were less safe after we moved out. it is very important to realise that you let your guard down when you move out. why did you keep it secret? what did you fear he would do if he discovered your mum was going to leave, finally?” do if he discovered your mum was going to leave, finally? i never once thought he would resort to any sort of violence. he was always worried about his reputation and how people saw him. i thought of violence he would never resort to. but i was always worried he would chorus mum back, find a new way to trap her if he had found out what we we re trap her if he had found out what we were planning. so we had to keep it secret, so that day—to—day life could carry on and mum felt empowered, that she could escape. could carry on and mum felt empowered, that she could escapem

was more to get a space between them, to negotiate what was going on. our father's behaviour was always bad. he would drink an entire bottle of alcohol each night. when you are trying to arrange a separation it is not conducive for mum to be trapped in that house. for us, we mum to be trapped in that house. for us, we were mum to be trapped in that house. for us, we were arranging a mum to be trapped in that house. for us, we were arranging a more suitable way for them to discuss the situation as human beings. that is where we thought we were. we didn't realise three weeks ago he basically planned to kill all of us. we had no idea that was going on in the background. how did you know three weeks earlier that he had planned to kill all of you? from the investigation. on his laptop he had started d rafts of investigation. on his laptop he had started drafts of the martyn oates, way before we thought of leaving the house. i don‘t know of the saw his power diminishing as we became more independent. he had planned to kill

all of us regardless. i thought it would have been the night that we moved mum out. he was getting exponentially worse. he started hiding her keys, her passport, drinking whole bottles of whiskey. yeah. after your mum had moved into the rented place, it was four days later that he attacked your mum and charlotte in that car park in spalding. and i think, ryan, you first heard something on the news? yes. did you think this could be yourfamily? yes. did you think this could be your family? i think four hours i was in denial. i started out trying to co nta ct was in denial. i started out trying to contact them, luke, then the police. i don‘t think it was until, i don‘t know, weeks later that i accepted it. obviously the police couldn‘t confirm or deny anything. so it was just hours of getting

signals which —— which suggested it was them, and me subconsciously trying to ignore them. you rang the police to say that this could be my family? i ran -- rang and asked. i gave them mum and charlotte‘s descriptions and last them to confirm it wasn‘t them. i think when they started getting more interested , they started getting more interested, asking for contact details, family members, i think i started to think it probably is them. i don't know how you cope with that. i think it is a lot of... in a way you are protected by how little it makes sense. it takes so long to get into you what happened, it doesn't hit you in one go and then you have to deal with it. it seeps into you. it is re—disorientating. i think for me it was just,

into you. it is re—disorientating. i think for me it wasjust, and it still is, you demand of confusion. you make sense of total evil. it is something you have to let b and not try to rationalise it all the time. it doesn't make any sense at all. no. why do you want to talk about this? i think for us we had no idea of the danger of the situation. that we we re of the danger of the situation. that we were in a domestic abuse situation. i think many people misunderstand what it looks like. hopefully by sharing our story we can show people what it looks like and how serious it could be for them. hopefully no one else has to go through what we have been through. that is right. i think we had always had in our mind a line of what we were expecting before we would go to the police, before we would go to the police, before we would just really understand that

now he has crossed a line. but in the —— but that never happened. i suppose that always made us feel safer than we potentially were. i think someone like our father, they are defined by their mindset rather than their actions. it is hard to define what someone is capable of. i think coercive and controlling behaviour, when you look at it, it doesn't sound outrageous. you look at the stuff and you think, that sort of sounds ordinary, but actually i think it defines the personality, the psychopathic lack of empathy. that gives someone the capacity to do horrible things. people perhaps don‘t now realise that coercive controlling behaviour, you can go to the police to tell them if someone is controlling you. the deafening hiss —— the definition of domestic abuse is any incidence

pattern of controlling or coercive behaviour, violence or abuse between those aged 16 or over who are or have been intimate partners or family members, regardless of gender power mac sexuality. this can encompass but is not limited to psychological abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, financial abuse and emotional abuse. and those guidelines help guide prosecutors and the police when it comes to try to prosecute. it is so important that you explain that controlling behaviour. as you say, if you took a couple of incident‘s, people would think, that is no big deal. but the cumulative effect over decades is to oppress somebody. basically domestic abuse is torture. you and upjust... it is in the background. there you

are and you don't see it. the power of it is the manipulation. that is what you have to be aware of.” of it is the manipulation. that is what you have to be aware of. i have asked permission to read to the audience some of the words that your father wrote on his computer. you described it as a murder note, ryan. you say he began writing this three weeks before. this is what he said in part. this was released by... in fa ct, in part. this was released by... in fact, neither of you have read this 12 page letter in full. i think you skimmed it. but you have given us permission. the reason i am going to read some of the words is to give an insight. also, perhaps this helps to shape the media narrative afterwards, which is not as accurate as you have traded today. this is what he wrote. i‘m completely screwed. i had to do this. you destroyed my life without giving me a chance. revenge is a dish served cold. ryan, you know what you have

done. you got what you wished for. ryan interviewed —— interfered all the time. charlotte, you cannot forgive me. i know i am completely screwed. right or wrong, forgive me. i know i am completely screwed. right orwrong, i had forgive me. i know i am completely screwed. right or wrong, i had to do it. you completely destroyed my life without giving me a chance. so i will destroy yours. i love you all, a lwa ys will destroy yours. i love you all, always have, always will. what you think of those words? they are the words of an abuser. anybody who knows an abuser knows they twist words, they know how to manipulate people, and they have the ability just to... his 12 page note is written in cold blood. he tried to create a narrative ahead of time. he tried to define the narrative. and thatis tried to define the narrative. and that is what abuses do. they spend the whole time shaping your mind. to us the whole time shaping your mind. to us it is disgusting. anybody who has beenin us it is disgusting. anybody who has been in that situation will no wear these words have come from. it is pure evil. he hated us. that is why be had to leave. he created that.

what did you think about the way pa rt what did you think about the way part of the media reported on what had happened to your family? we avoided the media for quite some time. but when we did read some of the stories, words like understandable were used to describe what happened. many tried to justify it as an act of love. that is not unique to our situation. many victims of domestic abuse are commonly described as an act of love. love is the one word that does not fit at all what happened. he was not fit at all what happened. he was not loving in any way, shape or form. describing it as an act of love detracts from the seriousness of domestic abuse. it almost sympathises with the murderer, which is hard for us to accept, reading that if you weeks later. i would

imagine people in similar situations reading those words, it would not make them feel like they were supported or had a way out. was there a narrative as well, he snapped? i think so, yeah. that doesn't help people in a —— domestic abuse situations. it leaves you looking out for binary incident where he snapped, i need to be careful. talking to people in domestic abuse situations, they are very controlled people. it isn't a case of snapping. they may well portrayed as snapping as part of their manipulation tactics, you caused me to do this, this is what you have created, but really they created it themselves. it is something that exists over decades. what we wanted to say is that that again is how we expected it to be. that caused us to be blind to it. the truth is that you need to be on the lookout for quite often certain

signs. when people put that together asa signs. when people put that together as a narrative, it can blind more people to the situation. and it is a pattern of behaviour. our father would always apologise and then go straight back into it over and over again. yeah, it takes a long time to build and it exists for a long time. people need to realise it is not just a one—off event. people need to realise it is not just a one-off event. this happened some months ago. how are you both?” think we have been taking each day as it comes, to be honest. slowly building a life for ourselves. there is still a lot of confusion. some weeks and days are still quite hard. we are both trying to adjust to our new lives. we are living together because we have always been incredibly independent, gone wrong way and gunaratne thing. now the two of us have two dogs. we spend a lot

of us have two dogs. we spend a lot of time is with our dogs. it is very strange. besiktas we are brothers. being brothers is sometimes a helpful relationship. you followed, you can get on with it. it makes it easy to work over things. from an outside perspective, it is quite odd. but for us it works. it resets your life, i suppose. we spent our entire lives with mum and charlotte. where we are now was meant to be the re st of where we are now was meant to be the rest of our lives together. that has changed. but we still need to live. it is up to us to create something. whatever that is. it is the first time you have spoken publicly about what has happened. i know you have written about how much you have relied on your younger brother. can you tell us little bit about that? ryan works abroad. he went abroad in

april and his birthday was on the 22nd of april. it was quite hard. as guys and as brothers. also, in an environment of abuse, an abuser cuts your support network. it was hard to talk. because it was ryan's birthday and he was away, i thought, i can communicate indirectly through a letter. but then i realised if i could write about our experiences and posted on facebook, maybe it can help other people. sol and posted on facebook, maybe it can help other people. so i posted a letter on facebook. basically explaining how ryan has always been the one to take a lot of our father's araf. in the letter you quoted that he was targeting ryan. i was always trying to ameliorate, i suppose, as an older brother, just moulded altogether and keep it working. and failing, i suppose. but ryan was always like there, by

protecting mum and charlotte, taking it on for what it was, i suppose. and for me to cope, i suppose, i kind of deluded myself a little bit, try to manipulate what was there and keep it as manageable as possible. but ryan was always home every weekend, even though you were working in holland, you came home every weekend to check on mum and charlotte. he took all the flak. it is something i have never ever said thank you for. and i suppose at that moment, it was ryan's birthday, i felt i needed to talk. i wanted ryan to know it was all right to talk. it was a good time for me to write a letter to say how grateful i was. how did you take it? in tears, it was quite difficult to read. and the comments that people posted, from friends and complete strangers, i read every single one, it has been very helpful, very

difficult to read, and brings back memories of quite difficult times. thank you very much for talking to us thank you very much for talking to us today, you have spoken with remarkable courage and we are very grateful, thank you. ryan and luke hart. if you recognise some of the controlling behaviour that brian and luke described, if you think you might be in controlling relationship, an abusive relationship, or if you are affected by any of the issues we talked about in that interview, you can find information about organisations that can help you from the bbc line. if you scroll down and click on the link to domestic abuse, you will find quite a lot of support groups and charities who can help you. as you can imagine, so many messages

about ryan and luke. a discussion on coercive control, these sociopaths creating their own narratives. it is important to hear this, these brothers are so brave. henry on twitter, huge respect to the two young men sharing this terrible story, i hope this proves to be one of the many steps to coping. jo on twitter says, the police told me that i needed proof. diaries of behaviour and abuse were ignored. nine years on i hope that things have changed. sarah says, what strength these guys have talking in this way. nick clan—based book, how accurate are the words of luke and ryan? it is the cumulus aspect of so many little incidents. the bruises are on the inside and cannot be seen. at 51, after the inside and cannot be seen. at 51 , after 23 yea rs the inside and cannot be seen. at 51, after 23 years of this plus physical, i am undergoing

counselling. 12 sessions are not enough, i do not know what i will do when the sessions end. jane on facebook says, watching the two brothers share their story today, they are brave and generous, given the devastation their cruel father caused. thank you very much for all those comments, and there were many more, actually. many of you very admiring of those two brothers. still to come... hair loss affects over 8 million women in the uk, we‘ll be discussing the effect it has on their life and emotional wellbeing. it is because of a video released by broadcaster nadiya someone. and the rising numbers of women setting up their own businesses from their kitchens. we will be hearing from some female entrepreneurs. one week to go until the general election, one week until you decide. let‘s get the latest on the

campaigning with norman smith. people are still talking about last night‘s tb debate. i watched it from the safety of the soap and what a barney it was. i wonder if theresa may was watching it in her downing street flat with philip sitting alongside maybe with some tumblers of something strong because, if she was, she was probably relieved she wasn‘t there because it was a bit of a shouting match, and i suppose the fact she wasn‘t there almost dominated a lot of it, and was inevitably picked up by those who had turned up. have a listen to the snp‘s angus robertson. the prime minister didn‘t have the guts to come along this evening to tell us, so... applause. i would like to challenge amber rudd... your leader didn't come either. i would like to challenge amber rudd to tell the answer to that question because they must have

costed it, they must know how much money it will bring in, please tell the pensioners of this country how much they will have to pay to fund tory austerities, how much? it went on like that for most of the evening. i don‘t think we learned very much. i think attention today will move to brexit, i say that because we have a speech from the prime minister at lunchtime where she will say we are all going to be more prosperous after we leave the eu. why that is a big claim is because there are lots of independent forecasters, the office for budget responsibility and others, who have been warning that, no, the british economy may well ta ke no, the british economy may well take a hit, trade will be hit, living standards will be hit, the pound. . this lunchtime mrs may trying to change the mood music a bit, trying to strike a more optimistic note and predict that after brexit we will be better off. it will not be a land of milk and honey but things by and large will be very different and i think that will set the tone of the campaign, mrs may wants to get away from the

dark, gloomy warnings and strike a more upbeat tone, a sort of change of gearfrom mrs more upbeat tone, a sort of change of gear from mrs may as she tries to reboot her campaign after a difficult few days. thanks, norman, for the moment. it‘s something that affects around eight million women in the uk — alopecia, otherwise known as hair loss. for men, baldness is far more accepted in society, but less so for women. tv presenter nadia sawalha has posted a video online, fighting back tears as she speaks about losing her hair at the age of 52. she revealed a doctor had told her she was going through the perimenopause, which is the start of the menopause. here‘s what she told fans online about it‘s life changing effects. i seem to lose, i think i have lost a third of my hair. and people do say, oh, my god, your hair is so thick, so amazing, but it is not. you see here, this is where it is balding, iam you see here, this is where it is balding, i am losing you see here, this is where it is balding, iam losing it you see here, this is where it is balding, i am losing it all over. now, ifeel bad even balding, i am losing it all over.

now, i feel bad even saying this when people have lost their hair com pletely when people have lost their hair completely to alopecia or cancer treatment, but... it doesn‘t really make it any easier, the fact that i‘m losing my hair. i talked about it ages ago on loose women, actually, and lots of people since have said to me, i‘m the same, i think it is the menopause, lost a lot of hair. and in fact i went to the top hair dye, specialist, trichologist, i think they are called? and trichologist, i think they are called ? and he trichologist, i think they are called? and he said to me that i actually do have... ido i do have the balding gene. that‘s funny, that‘s not funny, i didn‘t

know that women could have the balding gene. with me is the singer and songwriter nell bryden, who lost her hair in 2011 due to alopecia. and former bucks fizz member and tv presenter cheryl baker — she‘s experienced hair loss after the menopause. i will. with now, what happened, how did it affect you? i woke up one day and so had on my pillow. i went into the shower and started holding up clu m ps of the shower and started holding up clumps of hair. i knew that i had been doing a lot of my career, on the proverbial treadmill, quite stressed out, but the thing with an autoimmune thing is you don‘t know what will happen until sometime in your life everything changes overnight. so i very little time between the initial losing my hair and realising i had alopecia and was going to go completely bald. in that

time, ithink going to go completely bald. in that time, i think we set these sort of markers for ourselves, how am i going to deal with the next step? at first, i will chop my hair, have a different output. then i will wear hats. then i realised towards the end of it that i was looking in the mirrorandi end of it that i was looking in the mirrorand i saw end of it that i was looking in the mirror and i saw someone who looked ill, i saw someone looking back at me who didn‘t look like a healthy person, and i needed to take back the sense of being a victim in the situation, so i shaved my hair off andi situation, so i shaved my hair off and i felt so situation, so i shaved my hair off and ifelt so much better, so much more liberated and like i could really move on from there. and in control? exactly. cheryl, your experience is different to nel‘s? slightly, i went through the menopause at about 50 and lost a bit of hair down menopause at about 50 and lost a bit of hairdown and menopause at about 50 and lost a bit of hair down and kind of put up with it andl of hair down and kind of put up with it and i used hairpieces and things but then a few years later my mum died andl but then a few years later my mum died and i think with that, the

shock of my mum dying just made it much, much worse and, like nelljust said, you look in the mirror and see somebody else, and you just don't think that women lose their hair, because that is the general belief, but now i know that it does happen. and there are all sorts of things, like men, i didn't shave my habit i bought hairpieces, wore hats, stopped appearing in the public eye because i felt ashamed of myself, how ridiculous is that? ijust did, it is very, very distressing. and thatis it is very, very distressing. and that is something that some people don‘t understand, they don‘t understand the intensity of the devastation when your hair starts to fall out. just explain, cheryl, from your point of view, why it affects your point of view, why it affects you so much, and i will ask nell the same question. you are in disbelief in the beginning because, as nell

said, there is hair on your pillow and your shower tray pops up and you pull it out and you see how much i do have lost. it is that he queue in the face moment when you think, this is my hair, what is going on?! and you start to do your hair and think, i haven't got as much hair as i used to have. i was in absolute shock and, like nadia, i have shed a lot of tears, it is such a distressing thing to go through and i did everything, i went and bought a wig, hairpieces, everything you possibly could to try and address it, i'd backcombed my hair, i did everything, and then i took the supplement, an internal supplement that things, it might have been time, it might have been the supplement, but it did seem to work. after time. absolutely. nell, you have seen nadia‘s video, it does help when people share things that,

would you agree? you talking about this now, sitting here with no hair, how do you think you look now?” think i look like someone who is co mforta ble think i look like someone who is comfortable with who i am. there is a tremendous amount of power in that in life. one of the biggest revelations for me was literally being that exposed, having that level of vulnerability, like the whole world can see me without my hair, which is your crowning glory. asa woman, hair, which is your crowning glory. as a woman, much of your identity comes from, i was a blonde, that is how you think of yourself. but once i got past it, and like cheryl i also went to trichologist, spent so much money on wigs, went to all sorts of centres, did everything that was out there, but once i came to the conclusion that this was the new reality, and that ijust had to somehow be comfortable with who i am, my mother actually was wonderful because she was the one that said, this is not what you would have

chosen but you, bald, look more like yourself now and then you do in wigs. people say well-meaning things, but if you don‘t be in it... exactly. it doesn't matter what other people say. i think i had an interesting moment when i was about a month of the way through, because i also went under the duvet and cried for about a month, i was devastated, but then i had an interesting moment when i thought, it is not what happens to you in life but what you do next that is important, and there are so many different things, for me i was lucky it was does a cosmetic thing, and it is hard to remember that is all it is, a cosmetic issue, but i still have my health, i still was able to go out and pursue my dreams, and so i poured myself into music, i was very lucky that i have that outlet.

it ended up being the best thing that ever happened to me, i met my husband and had a daughter, and i would not have done that if i had not gone through this ordeal. on facebook, this person, who does not wish to leave their land, says, female hair loss is hell and you do not have any help from the health service, you are assaulted by members of the public and your confidence about the way and with that goes your mental health. thank you very much, nell, i hope you have inspired some people, and you, channel, nell bryden and cheryl baker, thank you. loads of messages about today‘s election blind dates, with tv historian mary beard and strip club owner peter stringfellow. here‘s a reminder of how they got on i‘m a feminist. i don‘t necessarily agree with front line troops being female. but they want to be. therefore the feminist in me says they must do what they wish to do. i interpret feminism as saying quite simply women can do what they want to do and not be told what to buy a

man. so if they want to take their clothes off? they can do. they have to be smart. what they do is entirely up to them within the scope of the law. then you have gone on from this wonderful career start to make money? then they go into their own businesses. these people are entrepreneurs themselves and they are going forward. they come from all around europe. this is one of the reasons i am a remainer. so you can get girls to take their clothes off! peter, this is wonderful. can i just slightly parody you? i'm a remainer because i want all those nice eastern european girls to come and take their clothes off in my club? no. i like all those european people to come and earn money in my club. the english are more than welcome to. i have no reason to

think that you are anything other than sincere. what i would challenge is what i would say is a simplistic notion that feminism is about what women want to do, because the whole point about women's choices is that they are deeply determined by a whole range of sexist structures. they haven't got a free choice. you say, provided you agree with it. no, and not. you are quite a pretty lady. get that on camera! get it on camera! call me inconsistent! you have got a great smile, you're got lovely sparkly eyes. i am what i am. i‘ve had... you know, i‘ve had a lot of major run—ins with people who are really saying to me, look darling,

you‘re grey—haired, why don‘t you die it? do something about your teeth. please make yourself look prettierfor teeth. please make yourself look prettier for us teeth. please make yourself look prettierfor us if teeth. please make yourself look prettier for us if you are going to invade our living rooms.” prettier for us if you are going to invade our living rooms. i don't know that world. i don't know the world of people who would say that to you. i don't know those kind of people. don't you think you underpin it? it is very different for a man with grey hair than for a woman with grey hair. you look kind of gloriously distinguished. slightly hunky. i'm good-looking, dante?! if you are a woman with grey hair, you are constantly told that you should do something about yourself. now you might say that has nothing to do with your business. but i would say that you have to look to what underpins and justifies that

particular way ofjudging women. and one of the things that underpins it is your... the girls in your clubs. mary beard and peter stringfellow. and tomorrow, labour‘sjess phillips and conservativejohn whittingdale go on an election blind date and talk ambition, heavy metal and — quite literally — rubbish. the world of work is changing rapidly — and more of us than ever are shunning the traditional 9—5 day job, looking for more flexibility and control over our working lives. over the last ten years, there‘s been a 50% increase in the numbers of women who‘ve turned to self—employment — many choosing to set up their own small creative businesses. as pa rt of as part of a series of features on the bbc looking at the bigger picture on the election, we‘re going to speak to to women. we can talk now to some women who turned their careers around, thanks to the internet. lets talk to sue buckland

and pippa currey, who founded a jewellery company together when their children started school. and saundra o‘shea started her own business after she was bankru pted by illness. welcome all of you. and here are some of your amazing products. you started this together a decade ago. your children have gone to school. tell me about the kind of conversations you had?” tell me about the kind of conversations you had? i previously worked in retail. i really wanted to make the opportunity of when my youngest started school, of doing something creative. i signed up for a silversmithing course, loved it. called people in the playground and said, you have to have a go. it was a hobby. it was only when people started looking at things and said, can you make me one of those? what we making? personalised stuff? no. that came later. in those days it was more about nice jewellery. personalising it came much later. there was a time when really

personalisation was something that took ages and wasn‘t really mainstream. we developed that later on. described the scene. are you literally in your kitchen, on your kitchen table, doing stuff? yes, thatis kitchen table, doing stuff? yes, that is how it started. until your husband came home and decided enough was enough and he wanted his kitchen table back. what a strange husband, wanting the kitchen table! he built us wanting the kitchen table! he built usa wanting the kitchen table! he built us a shed in the back garden. we moved into that. and we worked from theirfour moved into that. and we worked from their four about three years. we have our first member of staffjoin us have our first member of staffjoin us in there. it did get quite small. that is how it started. it went from there. that is when we joined the online selling platform which turned our business around. sandra, 2009 you had breast cancer. 2010 you were declared bankrupt. 2011 began a

series of operations. now, tell us about your life now? now my life is about your life now? now my life is a million times better than it was, and probably than it ever has been. i'm enjoying life so much more than i ever i'm enjoying life so much more than ieverdid i'm enjoying life so much more than i ever did before, really. even though i had some quite difficult times, i look at those times now and i see them as being responsible for where i am now. and for me being able to make and produce what i am doing now. which are these glorious glitter bikes. this business has been going for how long? just over a year. it is a very new business. i'm learning every day. i'm here because i went to an event which was an opportunity provided for makers and artisans, to take their products along and get feedback. almost like along and get feedback. almost like a dragon 's den and the thing. you must have had some skills? do you sell this, stick the glitter on

yourself? my background is graphic design. i was a graphic designer for many years. you can possibly see that in the designs of the bags now. at school i hated sewing. i thought it was antifeminist. i hated the fa ct we it was antifeminist. i hated the fact we had to do it. i could barely sew a button on till about two years ago. i started with a cushion cover. i told myself through lots of mistakes. i'm quite good at it now. whether the barriers, do you think, for women, mums, women without kids, setting up their own businesses? there isn‘t enough flexibility in normal workplaces. that is a primary reason we set our business up. between us we have five children. we wa nted between us we have five children. we wanted to be able to work and still be able to be mums who were there for our children. we wanted to go to the school concert. and to get a

seatin the school concert. and to get a seat in the front row. exactly. we wa nted seat in the front row. exactly. we wanted to be there early. do you know about filing vat returns? doing accounting? those would be the things that would put someone like me off. i don‘t want to get into trouble with the taxman. i can‘t afford to pay someone to do that. how‘d you get around that? afford to pay someone to do that. how'd you get around that? we found another mum in a similar position. our business has been about, as we have grown, we have brought on—board lots of mums with expertise. i'm in a completely different position. there is online software you can use. you can hook up to your bank account, go through it so easily and point out what is a business expense , point out what is a business expense, you don't even need a business account to do that. i found using that software, for me where i am at the moment, it's perfect. it is relatively cheap. it has been brilliant. what is your advice to anybody watching male or female who

has got a little seed in their head saying, i‘d love to work for myself, i‘d love to create, make whatever it is in my spare time, i‘d love to make a living? i'd say do it. get on social media. for me, social media has been pivotal in promoting the brand. ido has been pivotal in promoting the brand. i do lots of collaborations. lam very brand. i do lots of collaborations. i am very determined. it is hard work. it has been hard work. but where we all know with social media with platforms such as not on the high street, if you have the talent, you have the idea, we all have that opportunity. that wasn't there years ago. what about you? not on the high street give you a lot of support but you have to believe in yourself and now you can do it. be patient. it is hard. it is very hard. we have had some hard days of the last ten yea rs. some hard days of the last ten years. what has the hardest day being? peak selling periods such as

christmas when you don‘t have many staff and you are doing it all yourself, trying to get orders out to your customers. but that is a good problem because you have got lots of orders. colour aid is but it is tough. when you haven't bought any christmas presents for your children. but it is so rewarding and we get so much good feedback from our customers. when you are having a dark day, you think, it is worth it. sorry to rant or —— to interrupt. have you noticed most chatter about help for small businesses in this election campaign? i haven't. not at all. small businesses are the growing workforce. we are the growth area in industry. i would really like to see more help come forward for small businesses, particularly things like business rates, which make a massive difference. think you. congratulations. continued success. really nice to meet you. we

have got a statement from ticketmaster behind the ticket available for the manchester concert on sunday. ticketmaster was unsurprisingly met with remarkable demand for tickets. 1a0,000 fans we re demand for tickets. 1a0,000 fans were on the website. the call centre was buzzing with over a50,000 searches on our site for the concert in the last 2a—hour is. demand was a lwa ys in the last 2a—hour is. demand was always going to be extremely high. we understand there are a number of fa ns we understand there are a number of fans who didn‘t receive any mail this morning with regard to free tickets. we worked through the night —— night to verify some original bookings. registration opened until 2pm to deal with it. i want to read this from hannah. it is about ryan and luke. the interview meant so much to me. i had a similar experience. thank you so very much for the interview. thanks for your

company today. we‘re back tomorrow at nine. bbc newsroom live is next. good morning. we‘re going to see some very warm conditions develop across the south—east of england in particular over the next few days. for many today it is a dry day and it isa for many today it is a dry day and it is a sunny day. it will feel pleasa ntly warm it is a sunny day. it will feel pleasantly warm for most of england and wales. this is not the story everywhere. we have some rain affecting northern ireland pushing into scotland. sunny spells for many. there will be more cloud developing, especially in northern england and wales this afternoon. maximum temperatures getting into the 20s. 26 degrees in the south—east. fresher north and west. overnight tonight the rain will move

further east. it will spread into west wales, south—west england by tomorrow morning. quite a warm and humid night. the fresher still with you across the north—west. temperatures at ten to 12. you will notice the rain breaks up as it moves away towards the east. temperatures into the high teens. in the south east you could see temperatures to 29 degrees. also, thundery showers. this is bbc news and these are the top stories developing at 11: theresa may will promise britain will become a "more prosperous" country after brexit. president trump is to announce whether or not the us will stick

to an major commitment on international climate change. tickets have gone on sale for sunday‘s benefit concert for those affected by the manchester suicide bombing. two brothers whose father shot dead their mother and sister have told the bbc he behaved like a "terrorist". and police in florida have released footage of golfer tiger woods struggling to walk, after he was found asleep at the wheel of his damaged car.