like u5 fife: if‘ai‘ii like that can be how things like that can be prevented in the future. i said a number of times that we should try to tackle the root cause of this, what is it, why do we not fully understand what it is that makes someone understand what it is that makes someone commit understand what it is that makes someone commit an understand what it is that makes someone commit an act like this, they're not individual isolated incidents, there are patterns right now not just in incidents, there are patterns right now notjust in the uk but throughout europe as well so there's something going on, something making people do this and unless we understand the root cause of it and try to tackle the root cause then i fear that people will continue to be motivated to commit these acts. so we need to try and understand what it is that's motivating people, then we need to try to make sure people are trained up properly to challenge those ideologies. are used to work asa those ideologies. are used to work as a privation officer and i wouldn't know where to start challenging someone who was quoting from the koran in order to try to

justify these certain beliefs. we need to make sure people are properly trained, people from those communities themselves, peer to peer challenging of those ideologies but we haven't even begun to do any of that yet, what we have done instead is cut youth services, cut probation services and social services, those are the kind of services in a strong position to challenge those beliefs. the third thing i would do is invest properly in public services. it's the emergency services who run into situations of danger when everyone else is running away. there have been cuts to the police, to the health services, and in addition to the youth services and social services i've already said. people today understandably are all paying tribute to our emergency services and public sector workers and i would join in those tributes, but the real way that we can show that

we value those people is to make sure that they've got the resources they need to do theirjobs, whatever thatis, they need to do theirjobs, whatever that is, whether their teachers in schools, whether they're police or emergency services, whether they are ina remain emergency services, whether they are in a remain departments or other hospital staff, they've all been working in very difficult conditions because of the tory cuts and proper resource of our public services is the best way to show how much we value those public servants. theresa may in downing street today said for things need to be done, including going tougher on internet companies and online extremism. would you agree with that? she said today we've been too tolerant of extremism andi we've been too tolerant of extremism and i would ask the question why, if she has been home secretary for six yea rs she has been home secretary for six years prior to being prime minister, since 2010 she has been in a position to do something about this, and if we have been too soft on extremists, doesn't she need to take

responsibility for that? the gentleman in black? how much of an impact does british run policy like interventions in libya and iraq contribute to axe like we've seen in the last couple of weeks? it is a fa ct to the last couple of weeks? it is a fact to say we are less safe since the invasion of iraq and the intervention in afghanistan. i'm not convinced there is an absolute direct link because there have been events, atrocities in countries that have not participated in those countries in the same way as the uk has. it provides those propaganda points to the terrorists who want to recruit to their cause to british foreign policy. we don't have the moral high ground after what happened i think in iraq, but it's much more complicated i think and to link it tojust much more complicated i think and to link it to just one thing. there are a number of different issues going on here and what we must do all of

us on here and what we must do all of us is to talk openly about what they possibly could be, put them all on the table and work out what it is that's causing people to act in this way and try to nip it in the bud at source rather than to try to deal with it after the event. what about increasing surveillance? the investigatory powers bill for example in parliament, your mps voted against that. that was about mass surveillance and we oppose the watching of everyone. we would support targeted surveillance and we would support our intelligence services with resources to be able to do that properly but you can't watch everyone. if you're watching eve ryo ne watch everyone. if you're watching everyone mistakes will happen and people will slip through the net. we don't know where the threat is coming from, do we? no, that's why security services and intelligence services are really important but also if you're properly funding youth services and teachers and your training teachers properly to look

out for signs and instead of cutting those services then you have a better chance of having that information to hand. a few questions from the audience, the gentleman who's been waiting a long time and the gentleman on the end. going back to your first point about tackling the root cause of the problem, what do you feel is the root cause? hole back one and we'll take another one. devoted against surveillance, i feel if you're not doing anything wrong, what is the problem with being watched? we have civil liberties and we have to work to protect those. there's a balance and obviously security is the most importantjob ofa security is the most importantjob of a government but also we have to protect our civil liberties as well, we have to have certain freedoms and i think we need be very careful before we give some of the freedoms up before we give some of the freedoms up that we have. on the root causes? i don't think there's one single a nswer to i don't think there's one single answer to that question, i think there is possibly a number of

different causes but unless we can have an honest and open debate about that... for example, when the question of links to foreign policy was put out on the table, there was a political outcry to that. well, that's not helpful in trying to get to the root cause of that. i don't think that was the single root cause. i think marginalisation, alienation, racism all play a part but there is no one single thing. there are clearly a number of different multiple factors contributing towards people taking these actions. the young people, they may be impressionable, there may be things we can do in terms of that dark space in the internet, but i'm absolutely clear unless we can shine a light on the problem and allow open discussion about it then it's going to be very difficult to address those root causes. this gentleman here please? at schooli was always told we had to respect other people, their property and

their views and their communities. i feel politicians don't help and i thought last week was an example of that when you descended into bickering, shouting louder, pointing fingers, not respecting each other's point of view. isn't it about time you became more measured and more respectful of each other to set a better example ? respectful of each other to set a better example? i would agree with that point. it's quite difficult sometimes in these debate scenarios to try to get your point across when the presenter doesn't allow you time and things like that, so that's possibly why shouting takes place. but i think you're right. we need to show respect to each other when we have political discussion. and i think as politicians, we have to ta ke think as politicians, we have to take responsibility as well for the language we use and i'm particularly concerned with some of the state m e nts concerned with some of the statements i hear coming from some politicians, especially when we talk around difficult subjects like immigration, that some of them use blog whistles to try and whip

people's emotions up, and that doesn't help the situation at all —— dog whistles. thank you very much, lots of hands up but we have to go to the second question now which comes from dave webb. dave. to the second question now which comes from dave webb. davem you're honest and realistic, how much influence do you think the few plaid mps can have on the terms of any brexit negotiations? well, what i'm clear about is if there are no plaid cymru mps in westminster after this election then the chance of wales's voice being heard at all is pretty much nil i would say. the only way wales's needs are going to be on the agenda as we leave the european union, the only way our farming industry is going to be taken farming industry is going to be ta ken account farming industry is going to be taken account of, the only way the £680 million we currently get as redistributed wealth from the european union to wales, the only way we can get those guarantees is if we got some people there in westminster fighting for the welsh

interests. theresa may has a very clear idea as to where she wants to goi clear idea as to where she wants to go i think in terms of brexit, she was either a very hard brexit or she is prepared to walk away with no deal at all. either of those scenarios would be bad news for wales. plaid cymru has putjobs at the heart of everything we do and said in terms of the brexit negotiations. we have 200,000 jobs that are reliant on tariff free access to the single market. we have to have plaid cymru mps there to defend those jobs, but not only defend those jobs, but not only defend what we've got, we've also got to create those conditions and yet the powers in wales to improve the economy. you save in your ma nifesto we the economy. you save in your manifesto we will secure the money promised to wales by the leave campaign, which is £350 million a week, and we will not accept a penny less. it won't be up to you, will it, and any government dog doesn't work doesn't acknowledge the leave money anyway, so what would you do

if you don't get that money, you're stamping your feet but you have no power? we're asking for the mandate to make that point. we deserved that money, that is money we have had coming to us because some of our communities are some of the poorest parts of the european union. we've got a government in wales that is already talking about cutting communities first money and not replacing that antipoverty programme with anything else, our communities can't afford to lose that money, we have to get those guarantees and we have to get those guarantees and we have to get those guarantees and we have to see continued redistribution of wealth to those communities or otherwise we're going to really struggle. it's a scandal wages in wales are 10% behind the uk average, and it will be even worse if we don't get this right. the gentleman in the front or the lady in the van first with the specs, we'll go there. i understand wales gains around £245 million more than we pay into the eu, where do you envisage that kind of money actually coming

from if we don't get what the levers have promised? it has to come from westminster, that's the point. during the campaign the leave campaign and prominent tories in the leave campaign said we wouldn't be a penny worse off in wales if we voted to leave the european union. it's up to leave the european union. it's up to us to hold them to account for that and i'm asking people in wales to give plaid cymru a mandate by electing the maximum number of plaid cymru mps to go to westminster and make cymru mps to go to westminster and ma ke exa ctly cymru mps to go to westminster and make exactly that point. the gentleman in the front here, thank you. you are delusional really about your stature and where we are as a party, or where you are as a party in wales, you've only got 11 mps, 12ams and one controlled council in wales. how do you foresee... three mps. i'm not sure where you've got your numbers from there, they're not quite accurate, but i would say this to you, it's very clear the snp

represents scotland, they've got a very strong voice and they make sure the scottish voice is heard because people in scotland vote in big numbers for snp mps. people in scotland vote in big numbers for snp mp5. the only way we will get wales heard to the same extent is if we elect a large number of plaid cymru mps. the gentleman in the back, thank you. why do you think plaid cymru haven't got the traction in wales that the snp have got in scotland? we're a different country, we're a different party, we're at different stages of our devolution journey, we're at different stages of our devolutionjourney, i'm very we're at different stages of our devolution journey, i'm very hopeful we can get to the point the snp are in terms of running the government and getting to that point where we can have a proper discussion as to where we want to go in the future with our nation. but we're in a different place and the priority right now for wales is making sure we get those economic powers to turn around our economic misfortunes. we get told all the time that we are too poor and too small to even be able to dream of being an independent country, yet those same

politicians that say that, those labour and conservative parties is, oppose the economic levers that we should have in wales that we could use to turn around that situation. so we need those powers before we can move. the lady there, thank you. both plaid cymru and welsh labour seem both plaid cymru and welsh labour seem similar to the electorate along party lines, what can plaid cymru deliver for wales that labour in westminster can't deliver pressie we will take that in a minute and stick to brexit, through a brexit prison and the lady with the red hair, you had your hand up. a few minutes ago, leanne, you were stating you expected a certain amount of money from westminster. you quickly moved on to devolution and how you felt that was the way forward, comparing us that was the way forward, comparing us to the snp in scotland. which is it? are you expecting the welsh economy to be lying at the feet of mps in westminster, or do you believe that wales can stand on its own two feet and move forward in the

future? i think we can stand on our own two feet but in order to do that we need the powers to make the impact on the welsh economy. at the moment we don't have powers over taxation, we may get powers of income tax but they'll be in a very narrow field and there are plenty of other taxation powers and economic levers, powers of a renewable energy for example, that we could put to good use if we could... we may come onto these issues. the gentleman there with the specs. all kinds of politicians with all kind of agendas as faras politicians with all kind of agendas as far as brexit is concerned, can you promised us that the best interests of wales will be the only thing on your agenda in the coming years after this election? plaid cymru is set up and designed to look after wales but i'm interested in international cooperation and i want wales to take its part in the world, i want us to be able to co—operate with citizens

in other countries on an equal basis. i think part of the problem is we have, some of the road of the problems we have at the moment, is there seems to be some sort of superiority complex of the half of some. we are better off those other people in other parts of the european union. that is not helpful in terms of negotiation. we should approach these are noted —— negotiations like adults, like equals, and try to get the best deal for people in all parts of the european union. obviously including wales. but in the british context, what i fear is we have been neglected since the referendum. that situation will continue unless we have a strong voice defending wales in westminster afterjune eight. let's go on to question number three which comes from phil. good evening. do you believe that most erlich tours would be willing to have a small increase in taxation if this

means safeguarding vital services. —— electors. means safeguarding vital services. -- electors. i think possibly yes. it would be good to have proper time to have a debate about that, the difficulty with a snap election means that lots of issues are crammed into a short space of time but that a real crises ahead if we don't try to address the funding of our public services. we all know about the crisis in care. this is very simple, this question. do you agree that maybe... things need to be paid for through taxation. would you be willing to put up taxes to fund that? yes, for those who can afford to pay the most, we would. it's not a manifesto, is it? we would also be open to considering other increases in taxes to pay for our public services but in a british context, looking at british tax rates, we don't have income taxed... it is coming though, isn't it? would you put income tax up when you

had... that, we would be open to a discussion about that and we need time to consult about that. in principle... would you put income tax upa principle... would you put income tax up a higher earners as the labour party suggested ? tax up a higher earners as the labour party suggested? we would, yes. i think public services need investment and if we are investing in public services, it needs to be paid for and the only fair way to do thatis paid for and the only fair way to do that is through taxation. where would the level be? the additional rate, people who can only pay 45%, we would like to see that go up to 50% which would bring in, in a british context, £3 billion extra to spend on public services but if income tax, when it comes to wales, we would have a different conversation. it is not in the ma nifesto conversation. it is not in the manifesto though, is it? but we are not in the welsh assembly election. it hasn't evolved yet, has it? that is why it is not in the manifesto. it is the uk general election and incredible people want to know if plaid cymru is a tax—raising party or not. what we have in the

ma nifesto or not. what we have in the manifesto is people who can earn more pay more and that is why we would raise the additional rate. this gentleman here. would you like to see a rise in corporation tax? i would like to see different the ability to apply different rates of corporation tax depending on what it is you want to do. i think corporation tax has the possibility to be used to either be raised or reduced to incentivise job creation. and i would like the assembly to have full powers over corporation tax to be able to attempt different rates in different parts of wales or different sectors, depending on where you want to incentivise job growth. instead of raising taxation, don't you feel we should be to spend out don't you feel we should be to spend our money? i think we have to do both. i believe in the principle of well funded public services that social security safety net, paid for and free health service, good quality education, decent pensions so quality education, decent pensions so that our pensioners don't find

themselves in poverty, benefits to enable people who have to fulfil as much of a role in life as possible. if we want all of those things, we need to be able to pay for them through taxation but also we could reprioritise the way we spend money at the moment. i wouldn't spend £200 billion on replacing trident, for example. i would billion on replacing trident, for example. iwould prioritise billion on replacing trident, for example. i would prioritise that cash the public services. ok, closing on trident. we will come back there. we are finding it, we are paying taxes, and you cannot just determined to raise it because we need to find cash, why don't we better spend it? we have to do both. we are about to spend £5 billion on renovating the palaces of westminster, another £400 million renovating buckingham palace, the richest family, one of the richest families, in the world and we as taxpayers are paying that bill. of course we can reorganise our priorities. you make an absolutely

perfectly good point. but we also need to look at how we also need to look at how big long—term fund our public services and taxation has to bea public services and taxation has to be a part of that. i think there should be thresholds on the corporation tax, for example if a company erg x amount with their profits, then that is where the threshold should come in.|j profits, then that is where the threshold should come in. i would like to have a welsh policy for corporation tax and if we look at the potential opportunities that we have as we leave the european union, then welsh control over corporation tax and the ability to vary along the lines as you suggest is something we should definitely look at. thank you very much. moving on to the next question which comes from jack night. to the next question which comes from jack night. your party campaign to remain in the eu but you also wa nt to remain in the eu but you also want wales to leave the uk. why are some unions better than others?|j wa nt some unions better than others?” wa nt wales some unions better than others?” want wales to be an equal partner in any union and the reason we supported the remain campaign is

that we want wales to take its place in the european family of nations as an equal. now, regardless of whether or not we are in the european union or not we are in the european union or whether we are outside of it, director and the reasons to co—operate across the european union, the different states. and the same is the case with the uk. there may well be a referendum on independence for scotland in the future. if they decide to leave the uk, the uk will be no more. but they will still need to be co—operation across the borders between england, wales, ireland and scotland. in the event of independence. and i think the same will happen with the european union as well. we are not in the independence threshold for wales yet. what is that threshold? where would you put that threshold? because if often said now is not the time, a very different scenario to

scotland. it is now on page two of your manifesto so it's clearly moving up the agenda. it has always been one of our aims. where do you see been one of our aims. where do you see independence for wales? in your lifetime? it's impossible to put a timescale on it, it is when people wanted, and we have said we would move as far orfaster wanted, and we have said we would move as far or faster sibyl in wales wa nt move as far or faster sibyl in wales want and we will always put in more powers for wales, asking wales to have more of a say over the decisions that affect us and in principle we believe the decisions about wales should be made in wales and we have always advocated that principle. if it is a very hard brexit without the time to trigger yourcampaignfor brexit without the time to trigger your campaign for independence? brexit without the time to trigger your campaign for independence ?m may well be. we need to look very carefully at what the final deal looks like and if the deal is going to be very bad for wales, we need to consider all options at that time. would you push for independence at that point? other things could change as well, i've mentioned the possibility of scotland's leading the uk and the uk being a more.

whatever happens is people here in wales should decide on their own future. we're going to take people through —— further than they want to go atany through —— further than they want to go at any point. we have a ready had two referendums on a national institution here in wales and plaid cymru has always said that it is the people who will drive the debate on this in wales and that's a matter of principle that we stick to. quickly, the gentleman here. thank you. funding from the european union or funding from westminster, how on earth is wales ever going to stand on its own two feet? applause. do you know what? every other independent nation in the world manages to raise the money that it spends on public services. how could out spends on public services. how could our population do that? through many countries in the world that are independent and have smaller population than wales does. many, many countries in that situation. i believe that people in wales are no

more inferior than anyone else in the world. all you have to do is have enough good jobs, pay and a good salaries with the right tax rate so your tax pot, you can afford to fund public services. it's as simple as that and the reason a reason we cannot get to that point here in wales. a point from a lady with the glasses. one is a follow—up from that question, if independence was granted, what do you think you could do to help wales stand on its own two feet? well, we have to get to appoint a week on balance our book so it is aboutjobs economy and i mentioned earlier that wages in wales at 10% behind the part of other uk, our wealth gap is considerable. we have been able to attract european funds because of the high levels of deprivation. the union and this current situation we find ourselves in is not helping us. we are not able to get out of the poverty that we are in. with the

constraint powers that we have. so, we must insist on improving the powers that we get in a national assembly so we can improve our economic performance. into the last minutes of the programmes were brief point, please. you are advocating a policy now of independence of the uk. because of brexit. that was voted on by the majority of the welsh people. there we are. the final point. it was, and we accept that result but if the final deal is a bad one for wales, and i'm pretty sure that you wouldn't want a bad dealfor sure that you wouldn't want a bad deal for wales, sure that you wouldn't want a bad dealfor wales, where sure that you wouldn't want a bad deal for wales, where 200,000 jobs we re deal for wales, where 200,000 jobs were at risk, would risk of moving our —— were we were at risk of losing a farming industry, i'm sure you would want to make a big noise about that and reject that for wales is in that context, i think that we should look at all options available to our future. but let's should look at all options available to ourfuture. but let's hope should look at all options available to our future. but let's hope we can get a good dealfor wales, that is what plaid cymru will be fighting for. is it. sorry, there are still hands up at thank you so much, thank

you leanne wood and thanks to our audience here, also, in swansea. remember, you can have your say on social media tonight. from all of us here good night. hello there. you're probably wondering weather summer has gone because unsettled —— you're probably wondering where the summer has gone because unsettled weather this week, some spells of rain, heavy at times and often accompanied with strong and gusty winds. some drier interludes and it may turn warmer later in the week. ourfirst area of rain is coming from this developing cloud here and that's been pushing rain across northern ireland, that's heading its way into scotland, should move through and things brighten up

to bring us showers, a dull start, though, for northern ireland. rain developing more widely in northern england, especially wales and the south—east, showery outbreaks developing as the wind picks up in other eastern parts of england too. into the afternoon across scotland, we're going to find some sunshine but also some showers. these could be heavy, possibly thundery too, and we should get brighter skies allowing some showers to develop in northern ireland. but a cool, wet day for the north—west england, for wales and the south—west as well. as you head your way to the midlands, east anglia and the south—east, some brief warmth before showery outbreaks develop more and more in the afternoon but the wetter weather likely to be further west in wales, as much as 80 millimetres of rain during monday and monday night. that wetter weather moving slowly north and east but at the same time the winds continue to strengthen, especially in the south—west. so as we head into tuesday, we will start with these sorts of temperatures, 10 or 11 degrees, but quite a wet start for many

eastern parts of the uk. we're left with one area of low pressure driving the heaviest rain up into scotland. this weather front should take the rain away from eastern england fairly quickly on tuesday, although the rain could linger for a while in northern england, the wettest weather is going to be in scotland, especially in the east. elsewhere, some really gusty winds, strong to gale force winds, driving in a mixture of sunshine and also some heavy and blustery showers with the possibility of hail and thunder. that area of low pressure, the centre of which is going to be across eastern areas of scotland, will continue to feed the rain in here and very tightly packed isobars, so very windy still in scotland and northern england in particular on wednesday, the rain in the north—east of scotland but otherwise a brief, drier and brighter spell of weather before more rain arrives later on from the south—west. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is duncan golestani. our top story this hour: new details of the terror attack

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