hello. it's monday. it's 9 o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire. welcome to the programme. our top story today: northern ireland's democratic unionist party, the dup, say they're close to reaching a deal with the conservatives to keep theresa may in power. we'll bring you the details. also on the programme: every single tower block that's had its external cladding tested so far has failed fire safety tests. the key priority for us has got to be to keep people safe and that is why we are making sure this process works as quickly as possible. that was the housing minister. labour's shadow chancellor john mcdonnell says victims of the grenfell tower fire were murdered by political decisions taken over decades. is he right? also on the programme: two months after we revealed 800 women were suing the nhs for debilitating pain caused by vaginal mesh implants, surgeons tell us that nhs england is using mesh to repair hernias which also leaves many patients in chronic pain. it is as ifi

it is as if i have been stabbed with something hot. i don't want to eat. i don't want to venture out too far. it started out being agony, absolutely fire burning agony. we'll bring you that exclusive story in about 15 minutes. and look at this. a blue shark terrified holiday makers when it appeared in shallow waters off the coast of majorca surrounded by swimmers. it's now been captured. we'll hear from some of those in the water at the time. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning. use the hashtag victorialive.

if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today: the democratic unionist leader, arlene foster, has said she believes her party is close to securing a deal with downing street which would see the dup agree to support the minority conservative government. she's due to hold talks with theresa may in london this morning. our political correspondent iain watson is in westminster. what do we know? we know that the mood music is very soothing for theresa may this morning. arlene foster has been writing in the belfast telegraph, mentioning how influential her party is. ten mps from northern ireland. she is saying that she can reach a deal that will work for both sides of the community and she is close to concluding an appropriate arrangement, as she calls it, with theresa may. all of that tends to suggest that we might get that deal signed this morning. we are expecting about an hour of talks with the prime minister in downing street. this is crucialfor theresa may for a very simple reason. she lost her overall

majority, but also here in westminster on wednesday there will bea westminster on wednesday there will be a vote on the queen's speech, the legislative programme for the next two years. she will want the deal sealed with the dup before that to make sure it goes through. they are likely to back the budget as well. but this will be limited deal, confidence and supply deal. a lot of the individual votes on individual pieces of legislation will have to be negotiated with the dup line by line. it will get theresa may out of a big hole but she will still be scrabbling around to try to get majority support over the next few yea rs. majority support over the next few years. the other issue is how much it will cost the government. some of the demands from the dup our investment in public services in northern ireland and also for a lower level of corporation tax. if they get that, it could open up demand from other parts of the uk, the scottish parliament and the welsh assembly, for similar treatment. will we get to know how much it will cost the electorate?

treatment. will we get to know how much it will cost the electorate ?|j think we will find out in due course. it will not be there in black and white. what both arlene foster and theresa may have said is that this deal will be transparent and it will be published. it will be down to us to work out what the cost of the commitments are likely to be. the government have also got to make it clear whether the money that goes to northern ireland, however much it is in the end, and there have been various estimates ranging from £750 million up to £2 billion, is whether there will be the existing formula used to distribute that money, meaning scotland and wales would gain, but in a government even more, and if that is not the case we are probably going to see pressure on theresa may's government and opposition leaders will accuse her of trying to buy support at a difficult time. she will probably feel that she has very little choice. if she wants two years of legislation and brexit to go through in parliament. thank you. joanna gosling is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news.

hello. every single tower block which has had its cladding tested since the grenfell disaster has failed fire safety inspections. 60 high rises in 25 areas of england have been examined so far. local councils are being urged to send samples in more quickly for testing. nick quraishi reports. it is a list that keeps on growing. the number of buildings that have now failed fire safety checks following the grenfell tower disaster stands at 60 in england across 25 local authorities. of those examined so far, every single sample has failed. it was concerns over external cladding combined with issues surrounding fire doors, gas pipes and insulation which triggered the mass evacuation of four tower blocks in camden. where we have residents, we are making sure we continue

to knock on their door. it is deeply disruptive for them. just keep having the conversation again and again, keeping people awake, making sure there are people on the block. the fire service says it is not safe to stay and they need to go. and in scotland holyrood will carry out its own investigation into the safety of high—rise tower blocks. it is thought up to 600 buildings in total are to be tested in england with councils being told to prioritise the ones they are most worried about. butjust how long this process will take is still not clear. theresa may is due to chair a meeting of the grenfell tower recovery task force later today where she will be updated on the recovery effort that could take many weeks if not months. more inquests are also expected to be opened and adjourned this afternoon into the deaths of the victims. nick quraishi, bbc news. theresa may will set out more details today of how the government plans to treat more than 3 million eu citizens living in the uk after brexit.

last week, the prime minister outlined proposals to offer eu nationals settled status, which would give those who have spent five years in the uk equal rights on healthca re, education and benefits, but only if british people living in the european union were given similar entitlements. six police officers were injured last night during a protest in east london about the death of a man last week, six days after he'd been stopped by police. bricks were thrown and bins set on fire near forest gate police station. the independent police complaints commission has said a post—mortem examination on edir frederico da costa showed that, contrary to some claims, he had no spinal injuries caused by officers. surgeons have told this programme that nhs england is using mesh to repair hernias which leaves many patients in chronic pain. nhs england said mesh implants had been successfully used to treat hernias for several decades. the material is its recommended method for treating the condition. it is used on tens of thousands of patients every year. the use of mesh involves pushing

bulging tissue back into the abdomen and covering it with the material, and can be delivered via open or keyhole surgery. the doctors' union, the british medical association, will claim today that years of underinvestment have left the nhs failing too many people, too often. the head of the bma, mark porter, will accuse ministers of failing to spend as much on the health service as other european nations spend on theirs. the uk's economic growth will remain anaemic until the end of the decade, according to the british chambers of commerce. the group of business leaders says it doesn't expect growth to be more than i.5% by 2020 and that inflation may end up higher than expected. our business correspondent joe lynam reports. despite some predictions, britain's economy grew robustly immediately after the referendum last year, but it has slowed down a lot this year, and now it is the weakest in europe. the british chambers of commerce, representing thousands of small and

medium—sized companies, says their gdp will remain anaemic for another few years. it says growth this year will be i.5% but dip to 1.3% next year before rising slightly back to i.5% in 2019. it expects inflation to peak at 3.4% this year, and hold back company investment. but it thinks growth in exports and the construction sector will be higher this year than previously thought. the biggest changes to our forecast revolve around the economy, we think growth will remain flat over the next three years and around inflation, which is going to spike higher before we see some relief. exports will do well this year, but less well in years to come. so we do face a situation where our growth is pretty anaemic, not as good as it could be, and certainly is not as good as other countries around the world. the bcc has urged the government to spend more on infrastructure, especially broadband and mobile

phone connectivity, and described the british road network is heavilyas heavily congested. joe lynam, bbc news. seven people have been hospitalised after taking a "particularly potent" form of the drug, mdma. police said the drugs are known locally as "magic" or "pink champagne" and come in crystalform. a 26—year—old man has been arrested on suspicion of supplying class a drugs and remains in custody for questioning. a beach in majorca was closed yesterday after a blue shark sent bathers running out of the sea. the shark — thought to be about eight foot long — was spotted near swimmers close to magaluf. photos appear to show the shark swimming towards a group of people. it has now been captured. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. lots of messages about her knee

replacements. i have a constant burning pain and i can't have pressure on my stomach, worse than having a caesarean section. and pete is 49. he had the operation when he was 34. his problems in that area have affected his bowel severely. he is still having extensive tests next goes back to see the bowel surgeon in the middle ofjuly. 0ur goes back to see the bowel surgeon in the middle ofjuly. our exclusive film on the way that measures being used to repair hernias is on in the next few minutes. please get in touch, especially if you have had and her —— have had a hernia operation using mesh. please get in touch. now the sport. a very public falling out between two formula one world champions. it was the day the 2017 formula one season turned nasty. lewis hamilton describing his rival for the title, sebastian vettel, a disgrace after they collided

at the azerbaijan grand prix. red bull's daniel ricciardo won in baku but that was far from the post—race talking point. it was the acrimony between hamilton and vettel, the result of a coming together on lap 19. blame was attached to ferrari driver vettel, who was given a io—second stop—and—go penalty. but hamilton was later forced into an unscheduled pit—stop, ending his hopes of finishing ahead of vettel who extended his lead in the drivers' championship to 14 points. victoria, still plenty of work for hamilton to do to regain the title. and what about the two drivers? sebastian vettel was found guilty of dangerous driving but he thought lewis hamilton was deliberately slowing down or brake testing him.

lewis hamilton denied that and was ready to pursue the matter further with his main challengerfor the title. well, if he wants to prove that he is a man, we should do it out of the car, face to face. driving dangerously in anyway can put drivers at risk. lots of people we re put drivers at risk. lots of people were going slow, going fast and it could have been much worse. imagine all the young kids watching formula 0ne today and see that kind of behaviour from a world champion, 0ne today and see that kind of behaviourfrom a world champion, you know? not the best examples set by either driver after that incident but i would imagine that the intensifying of the rivalry between the two protagonists will do formula 0ne no harm. the two protagonists will do formula one no harm. and much happier scenes from the world of tennis? yes, away from the world of tennis? yes, away from squabbling racing car drivers, story that epitomises the feel—good factor that sport can so often provide. you may remember that petra kvitova was stabbed in the hand by an intruder at her home. just six

months later, and injust a an intruder at her home. just six months later, and in just a second tournament since what looked to be a career ending injury, she capped a remarkable comeback by winning in birmingham. patrick kvitova, as you can understand, was absolutely thrilled by the success will stop she described her victory over ashley bhatia something very special, like a dream orfairy tale. she might be a good bet for wimbledon now. i will be back with more at 9:30am including verbal jousting between the coaches of the lions and the all blacks. thank you. two months ago this programme exposed the scandal surrounding vaginal mesh implants. we revealed that hundreds of women who have experienced severe discomfort since undergoing the surgery including inability to walk unaided, work or have sex, are currently suing the nhs. after our report aired, many of you got in touch to say similar surgical synthetic mesh is also causing you chronic pain, but this time after it was used to treat hernias.

surgeons have told us nhs england is using mesh too often to treat hernias and want other techniques to be considered, but nhs england say it is its recommended method and the most widely used technique. 0ur reporter anna collinson has this exclusive investigation. i reallyjust want this material out of my body now, and i will fight to until end to make that happen. doctors say one in ten of us will develop a hernia. it doesn't matter how old you are, what sex you are, or how

fit you are. you can be a rapper, like professor green. a professional footballer. or even the rock. when a patient comes to see me and says, "i think i've got a hernia," what they're describing is a bulge, classically in the groin. and what that bulge is is a protrusion or pushing out of something from inside your tummy. the best way to actually fix the hernia is surgery. nowadays what we use is a material which is synthetic, called prolene, in the form of a mesh. nhs england says a mesh repair is its recommended method when treating a hernia, and it's the most widely—used technique. it can be done in two ways — open surgery, where the surgeon makes one cut into the groin, or keyhole surgery, where a camera and surgical instruments are inserted through several holes close to the belly button. the surgeon then pushes any bulging

tissue back into the abdomen and covers it with a piece of mesh. as you can see, it's very pliable, it's very easy to lie flat like a pancake on the muscle. also you can see it's very, very thin, and quite soft. collagen, tissue and sometimes even nerves will entwine through the mesh. the once—weak spot strengthens as the body grows into it, but it also makes the mesh difficult and sometimes dangerous to remove. the nhs carried out more than 60,000 groin hernia repairs in england between 2015 and 2016. what happens if something goes wrong? helen ablett had a groin hernia repair in 1998. she was told if she ignored it it could get bigger, and she also risked having a strangulated hernia, which can be fatal. a few years ago, helen started feeling pain and has spent most of this year off work sick.

it wasn't until she saw our recent reports on the scandal surrounding vaginal mesh implants that something clicked. i went to see my gp after i had my hysterectomy and i said that i was still in pain. he looked at me square in the face and said, "claire, we've had you out on an operating table, there is nothing there to see, you are depressed." and i phoned my husband and i said... "i can't live any more, i can't go through all this." i actually do think, i remember leaving the doctors, "i think it's in my head." so you completely related to her? absolutely. yes. the same material, the same lack of acceptance that there was anything wrong. helen's had colonoscopies and countless scans, but they've all come back here. her gp‘s called her pain a conundrum, but she and her husband terry are convinced it's the mesh. it feels like something is either moving or loose

inside me and is pulling, when i stand and when i walk, is pulling on it, and whether it's moved or it's attached itself, i can feel, it feels like a foreign body inside me. it wasjust right in my groin, right down the back of my thigh and right into the back of my knee. helen sent us an e—mail telling us her story, and she wasn't the only one. we've heard from lots of people who've had hernia mesh operations and now live with chronic pain. they came from across the uk, varied in age and gender, but some similarities were striking. they say they were never warned about the risks of chronic pain. they claim they've been in pain for years and some have problems walking. they say they've had many scans and tests, which have all come back clear. they also claim gps mainly only offer pain relief, and some suggested psychiatric help. and doctors have apparently repeatedly told them mesh is not the cause. hernias are extremely common,

and so is the hernia mesh technique. clinical studies suggest around 10% to 15% of groin hernia patients will experience chronic pain as a result of the repair, and that the pain can last years. one major study claims it could be as high as 50%. supporters, though, say it's a strong repair, infection is rare, and it's quick and easy for surgeons to learn and replicate. it may not be just the mesh that's causing the problem, but the fact that they've had an open surgery and there's a lot of scar tissue around these nerves that have caused the pain. it is true it could be the mesh, i'm in no doubt that that may be causing the intense scarring. because we don't know, yet, do we? absolutely, we don't know, and i don't think anybody, hand on heart, can say whether it's in fact the mesh or not the mesh. i used to play all sorts of sports,

from racquet sports, tennis, squash, badminton, i used to play football, used to do quite a lot of gym work, circuits. there was a point where i was training for a marathon. it's quite frustrating to be sat here. this is a chair, isn't it, i suppose, for me now. martin kinsey had a groin hernia mesh repair in 1999 after a bike accident. for a long time he was fine, but then he started getting abdominal pains. the 39—year—old says he now feels like he is 90. it is seriously painful, it's as if i've been stabbed with something hot. i don't want to eat. i don't want to venture out too far. my worst day is getting up and feeling twice my age and not being able to put my underwear and socks on, and having to spend the day incapacitated. i've had that many tests throughout the last six years, they've ruled out pretty much

everything that this could possibly be, other than pursuing the mesh complications. there is a canadian hospital which is world famous — well, at least in the groin hernia world. the shouldice hernia centre says it has nearly a 100% success rate, and one of its surgeons has told this programme they only use mesh on one out of 100 patients. instead, they prefer a different technique. the shouldice hernia repair uses the abdominal wall, which is split into layers of muscle. once the surgeon has placed a bulge of tissue or bowel back inside the patient‘s body, they will then overlap and secure each layer, like buttoning a coat. its supporters say it naturally strengthens the abdominal wall, but nhs england says this style of repair has been hard to replicate in its hospitals. i've spoken to many surgeons. the one thing they all seem to agree on is the shouldice technique gets great results.

the problem is, you have to be very skilled to do it. sue and peterjones have been married for nearly four decades. they are part of an ever—shrinking group of surgeons who can do the shouldice technique. the pair retired last summer, but spent much of their careers removing mesh from groin hernia patients. time and time again they met people from across the uk who had not been warned about the risk of life—altering and long—lasting pain. it really is a common problem. patients that have come to us with chronic pain, said they've got friends at work with the same problem. one guy, as so many do, ended up in a pain clinic and said on his first visit the waiting room at the pain clinic was full of patients exclusively who'd had operations to repair their groin hernia using a mesh. at least half of all patients who have a mesh repair will have a smooth recovery and never have any problems. but in our view the risks of a poor outcome are so bad that i wouldn't

want to take that risk. the shouldice technique relies on a surgeon's skill, which companies can't really make money from. they can, however, make money from selling mesh. peter and sue are convinced that is why the synthetic material dominates the hernia industry. the couple want nhs england to teach more surgeons the mesh—free method so patients have more of a choice. the nhs being strapped for cash, that's another indication to do the non—mesh repair. meshes cost money. some surgeons say that the shouldice technique is too difficult for your average surgeon. but once you've learned it, it's like riding a bike. once you can do it, you can do it. do you think the nhs does too many hernia mesh repairs? yes, i believe it does. if enough people got together and said, "we are suffering in this pain and we were not told about it," that could seriously put a dent on the operation of a mesh repairforgroin hernia.

the shouldice technique doesn't hold all the answers, either. for starters, it can only be used on a hernia which is in the groin. chances are, the mesh that was used for your hernia was something like this. oh, my god. no wonder it itches! i mean, it's really thick! just like nylon, it's like nylon! some surgeons say it's very light and flexible and durable. yeah, but, i mean... it's also quite thick. it's... she sighs. leila hackett was told she had an umbilical hernia in 2013, six months after she gave birth to her daughter. surgeons placed a large piece of mesh near her belly button to cover the hole. straight away i could feel it. i could feel the whole thing, i could feel exactly where it was. it was across there and itjust, it started out being agony,

absolute fiery, burning agony. obviously it didn't carry on being like that, but it never stopped hurting. leila told her gp about the pain many times, but was told it was nothing to do with the mesh. while studies show around one in ten groin hernia patients will experience chronic pain following a repair, surgeons say more research is needed for less common types. there is, though, plenty of anecdotal evidence which suggests pain is a problem. it was like somebody scratching you from inside all the time. all the time, not being able to get clear of this horrible feeling. it's so unpleasant and so constant. eventually i ended up being ambulanced to a&e because the pain got so agonising i was just screaming on all fours. leila's bowl had twisted after the mesh became stuck

to her internal organs. surgeons spent four hours picking the material out. and he said, "well, it turns out you didn't have a hernia, you just had this separation of muscles, so we haven't had to put a new mesh back in." and i can tell you now, i knew there wasn't a mesh before they told me that, because i could just tell, it felt normal again. many surgeons would argue that there's no scientific evidence that it's the mesh causing pain. what do you think about that? they're not going to achieve any scientific evidence about this unless they take those of us who've had these operations seriously, and unless they study it. because at the moment, they're not, they‘ re pooh—poohing people, and of course there's no evidence if you don't look for it! neither leila, helen or martin have a record of which company manufactured their mesh. martin has even paid to view his medical records but is still none—the—wiser. i've spoken to some surgeons who've told me that the hernia industry

is dominated by companies who produce mesh, and the reason is for the financial gain. what do you think about that? is that true? well, as a surgeon, i don't get involved in financial gain during an operation. my purpose is to do the best thing for every patient. now, of course, the companies that produce meshes are businesses, and they're in the business of trying to make money. however, a lot of these companies that produce meshes are competing with each other to try and produce meshes that are better and better, because they know that we have very good principles and we will not use anything that we're worried about. i encourage patients to persist and say, "i'd like to see a specialist, i'd like some treatment," and treatment is out there, there are specialists who will see these patients, be very considerate, patient, and give them a treatment plan.

although at least one in ten groin hernia mesh repair patients will experience chronic pain, nhs england have told this programme the technique has been undertaken extensively and successfully for several decades and no significant level of concern has been raised. the royal college of surgeons says while any poor outcomes are regrettable, mesh implants are the most effective way to deal with a hernia. in a statement they say the risk of infection is rare, but they do not reference the risk of chronic pain. for years, martin has been suffering. he was unaware there were people across the country who have similar stories to him, and that one even lived nearby. hi, i'm helen. martin, you 0k? nice to meet you. and you. take a seat. i've had an operation really

i didn't need, and, you know, six years' worth of investigation. bloods, scans. everything, pretty much by the sounds of things, that you've had. i've had an ultrasound as well, they've tested my kidneys, my liver. i've been tested for crohn's, lupus, coeliac. .. coeliac, yeah. i naively assumed, when i first realised what it was, that they were going to remove it. yes, it's several operations, apparently. yes, that's what i've been told. supporters of mesh say it's improving all the time and the synthetic material is here to stay. but some surgeons claim hernias need to be taken more seriously. they want a mesh—free repair to be widely available on the nhs, and they want dedicated teams of surgeons to do the operations so there are fewer mistakes. in america, there are currently thousands of hernia mesh lawsuits taking place. it's thought it won't be long before something similar happens here. but, for helen, just knowing she's no longer

on her own is enough comfort for now. yes, meeting you has been a complete revelation. it's helped confirm everything that i knew inside but was beginning to doubt. i will fight tooth—and—nail to get what i'm entitled to. they've done this to me. i can't remove it, they've got to take it out. james says: he says that the mesh itself is

infected and they will have to remove it. it has been a nightmare. jan said she had a hernia repair semis ago and has had serious bowel problems but you never connected the two until today. and alex has said that he has been suffering chronic painfor that he has been suffering chronic pain for seven years since so—called hernia repair and the surgeons are just passing him to each other. steve says: i had mesh put in for a double hernia in october and i have had nothing but pain in my right—sided since. i am still going to hospital now. bill and a few others have said they had hernia mesh repair years ago and have touch wood not had any problems. after ten o'clock we will hear from surgeons who support the use of mesh. if you want to watch our original film on vaginal mesh you can find it on our programme page: bbc.co.uk/victoria. still to come: we talk to one resident who has been

ordered by her counsel to leave her flat in north london after it failed fire safety tests, but she is refusing to do so. and the man who was sexually assaulted as a 14—year—old boy by two former bbc radio london tells us he has spoken out to try and encourage other victims to come forward. —— two former bbc radio presenters. now a new summary. the democratic unionist leader, arlene foster, has said she believes her party is close to securing a deal with downing street, which would see the dup agree to support the minority conservative government. she's due to hold talks with theresa may in london this morning. theresa may is seeking the backing of the dup's ten mps after losing her majority in the general election. every one of the 60 tower blocks which have had their cladding tested since the grenfell disaster has failed fire safety inspections. there are still more than 500 other buildings nationwide that need to be checked. meanwhile, labour's john mcdonnell has told an audience

at a glastonbury festival event that victims of the grenfell tower fire were murdered by political decisions, blaming what he called the decision to view housing as only for financial speculation. six police officers were injured last night during a protest in east london about the death of a man last week, six days after he'd been stopped by police. bricks were thrown and bins set on fire near forest gate police station. the independent police complaints commission has said a post—mortem examination on edir frederico da costa showed that, contrary to some claims, he had no spinal injuries caused by officers. surgeons have told this programme that nhs england is using mesh to repair hernias which leaves many patients in chronic pain. nhs england said mesh implants had been successfully used to treat hernias for several decades. the material is its recommended method for treating the condition. it is used on tens of thousands of patients every year. the use of mesh involves pushing bulging tissue back into the abdomen and covering it with the material, and can be delivered via open

or keyhole surgery. that is a summary of the latest news. more at ten o'clock. now the sport. lewis hamilton has described his rivalfor the formula one title, sebastian vettel, as a disgrace after a collision between them at the azerbaijan grand prix. vettel was punished for the incident but still finished ahead of hamilton, who he thought was to blame, and vettel is 14 points clear in the drivers' championship. acrimony too in new zealand between warren gatland, the lions coach, and his opposite number with the all blacks, steve hansen. gatland claimed the home side deliberately targeted scrum—half conor murray during the 1st test defeat. hansen has described that version of events as desperate. petra kvitova looks to be in with a chance

of a third wimbledon title, despite suffering a career threatening injury six months ago. she won just her seocnd tournament back — the aegon classic in birmingham. kvitova was hurt in a knife attack by an intruder at her home in december. england have won their t20 series against south africa. it was winner takes all in cardiff with england victorious by 19 runs to take the series 2—1. dawid malan was the hero on debut, scoring 78. i have more on that in half an hour. thank you. every single tower block that has been tested since the fire at grenfell tower has failed fire safety tests. that's 60 tower blocks. but the total number that need to be tested because they have external cladding is 600 and although the government says 100 could be tested every day, nearly two weeks after the fire that is clearly not happening. 0ur reporterjim reed. testing a cladding system to see how it would perform in a realfire. a scaled—down version of this test is now being carried out on hundreds

of cladding panels taken from high—rise buildings. the results so far have not been encouraging. 0f 60 samples tested, all 60 have failed, although the government says the most suspect panels are likely to be dealt with first. in total, there are plans to test up to 600 buildings in england over the next week. not all of the high rises affected so far have been named, but we know they include towers in london, plymouth, manchesterand sunderland. i am having a pop at you, in a funny kind of way. i know, i know. i am so absolutely stressed. what do they want me to do with my dog? put my dog to sleep? in camden in north london, hundreds of residents have been told they have to move out. it is creating chaos and pandemonium. we've all been happy living there for years, there was a fire in the tower block a few years ago, and the building did what it was meant to do. the fire was contained. the chalcot estate there was refurbished by the same firm, rydon, that carried out work

on the grenfell tower last year. more test results will come through over the coming days, though questions about why panels the government says were unsafe were wrapped around so many high rises, in some cases for years, without the alarm being raised. in camden alone its left around 3000 residents without a home after four tower blocks were evacuated by the council on friday. some are staying with friends and relatives or in a hotel while others are put up in emergency rescue centres. some people are refusing to leave. we can speak now to linda. she's asked us not to identify her because she fears making things worse by publicly speaking out. alsojoining us is labour mp and secretary of the commons all—party group on fire safetyjim fitzpatrick who will hold a debate later today on grenfell and its aftermath. he's a former firefighter.

and luke stubbs, the deputy leader of portsmouth council, is in southampton. his borough has seen 272 flats affected by unsafe cladding. linda, why aren't you leaving?|j think linda, why aren't you leaving?” think this was a knee jerk reaction by the council. it is way over the top. suddenly they decide we are not ina top. suddenly they decide we are not in a safe environment, which is crazy. we had a fire in 2012, after the refurbishments, and the fire was contained. a horde had lived there and the place. a blog with newspapers and it went up like a bomb. —— somebody who awarded being lived there and the place was full of newspapers. i actually am happy because the playground is quiet for once! are you saying that you are going to stay there come what may? at some point with you move out for

a bit while they get rid of the cladding and make it safer?” a bit while they get rid of the cladding and make it safer? i will have to move at some point because they have taken away the fob keys that they have put signs up on the doors of people who are still in the flats to say that it is occupied and this is how many people are here and so on. at some point i think i will possibly be forced. but at the moment i don't wish to go. it is total disruption of everybody‘s lives. and a single person like me, they expect me to stay in a large hall with hundreds of people, screaming kids, the lights on all night. there is no way that i will get peace and quiet. it is impossible. i am get peace and quiet. it is impossible. iam no get peace and quiet. it is impossible. i am no expert in dealing with large groups of people moving in and out of properties but what i would say is that the council could have dealt with this much better. they could have done one block at the time and meantime, the other blocks, that are apparently at risk of fire, at the moment they

have got fire wardens crawling all over the shop. they won't let us in without a fire warden opening the door. and they have stopped people coming into the block. though a lot of people have got to go to other accommodation, which is not very good. ifear now accommodation, which is not very good. i fear now that i will not be allowed into my block tonight. the key fob stage work. have you been told how long it will take to make the block safe? i haven't been told anything. they could provide a fire blanket for each flat. each flat has got a fire alarm anyway. there are so many questions to be asked. we had booked an interview with the housing minister but he told us this morning that he couldn't do it. jim fitzpatrick, chair of the all—party group on fire safety, with a debate later today. what tests is the cladding being subjected to? do you

know? not exactly. we are hoping that the government might volunteer that the government might volunteer that information later. the tests are set by the building research establishment, and they are well documented. clearly they know what standards the fire resistance should be at the cladding is failing that. do you take from this that it was u nsafe do you take from this that it was unsafe when the cladding was put up or at the time it was put up it was deemed safe? i don't know the answer to that. it is a question that has got to be asked of the contractors, the building managers, the inspectors, the person who signed it off, the council, and ultimately back to government about what specification under the building regulations is laid down as appropriate for these buildings. these are questions which nobody has, as far as i these are questions which nobody has, as faras i can these are questions which nobody has, as far as i can make out, nobody has got the answer to so far. luke from portsmouth council, 242

flats in your council area have been affected but not evacuated. what is going on? we have worked with the fire brigade on this and we have taken advice from them. we have been advised that the building is safe to occu py advised that the building is safe to occupy so it will remain in use. we have already started removing some of the cladding. we have taken it down from the bottom three floors of one building. we are discussing with contract is about what the opportunities are forgetting the rest of it down. to be clear, the cladding is coming down but you have taken the decision that the people who live there should remain in their homes? that is correct. the advice that we have got is that the building is safe. but the cladding is coming down? we are doing it as a precaution. is the cladding safe or not? the cladding is potentially a problem which is why we are moving it but there are big differences between our buildings and grenfell. it is noticeable that london police have been saying that the

installation might be a bigger problem than the cladding in that instance. understood. john fitzpatrick, john mcdonnell said yesterday that victims of the g re nfell tower yesterday that victims of the grenfell tower fire work murdered by political decisions. do you agree with him? i don't think that is an appropriate comment. we have a public inquiry coming up. why? we have not got the answers about what exactly happened at grenfell and what caused it. that is what the public inquiry will be trying to establish. it is very much a matter in the public interest to identify as quickly as possible what went wrong and that is why we need to know when the inquiry will be and who will chair it. and when we will get finding for public safety. they are genuine public safety questions that need to be answered and jumping to conclusions and pointing the finger of blame at this point i think is somewhat premature. but these are very serious issues and we do need answers. should he withdraw that comment? i am not one to tell

john mcdonnell what he should and shouldn't say. listening to the counsellor from portsmouth, there are many more aspects to these high—rise buildings other than the cladding. as he says, the insulation. the fire specification for the front doors. compartmentalise asian. the advice given in terms of simple things like moving cars out of the car park, no barbecues on balconies, making sure the fire alarm systems are working in each flat. different blocks have different levels of resilience and it is down to the local authority and the local fire brigade to decide whether buildings are safe to operate or not. the vast majority at this point in time seemed to be saying don't panic, things are safe in these buildings, but some of the buildings might be more compromised than others. linda, what do you think ofjohn mcdonnell‘s comments that people we re mcdonnell‘s comments that people were murdered by political decisions? it's ridiculous to say

that because if he casts his mind back he will probably remember that it was nick raynsford and the labour government who brought in the initiative for decent homes project. he said over years. he said over yea rs. he said over years. he said over years. so they shouldn't be blaming theresa may and her government now and also because it's a labour council that allowed all these refurbishments to happen and as part of the ta, for years and years and yea rs, of the ta, for years and years and yea rs , we of the ta, for years and years and years, we went through snagging listsmed we went through all the flats. we checked all the work that the pfi were doing and we presented the pfi were doing and we presented the snagging repairs that had to be done and weren't done properly and they ignored usment and they signed off the works without checking it properly. if they had done that then we wouldn't be in the situation and that's why i and a lot of residents are angry with camden and with the past labour government. don't blame theresa may now. this was a labour

initiative and it was an eu directive to reduce greenhouse gases and reduce the amount of heating lost by flats and houses all over the country as well as improve the boilers. jim fitzpatrick how would you respond to what linda said? the public inquiry does need to identify exactly what happened and track back what mistakes may have been made which is why i'm not entering the blame game because it is a complex question. the most important thing is making sure that in the wake of 6 re nfell is making sure that in the wake of grenfell people are we have now and we can use the public inquiry. pointing the finger of blame at this point in time and looking at simple solutions is the wrong approach. we need to make sure that people are protected in their homes now and we need to work out what happened in 6 re nfell need to work out what happened in grenfell properly. thank you very much. thank you very much. that debate is in parliament tonight. what happened to edir frederico da

costa, a young black man who died just days after he was stopped by police in east london. his relatives allege he was beaten by officers. protests over his death got ugly last night — six police officers were injured and four people arrested. we'll be talking to someone who was there yesterday. some breaking news. the confidence and supply deal between the conservatives and the democratic unionist party is expected to be announced in the next couple of hours. theresa may will meet arlene foster, the leader of the dup at downing street in about 40 minutes time. we can talk to conservative mp john redwood and labour mp stephen kinnock. i would like you to explain what confidence and supply means to our audience, please? well, it means that the coalition partner will support us to get a budget through so we can pay all the bills legally and public expenditure can carry on

and public expenditure can carry on and where jeremy and public expenditure can carry on and wherejeremy corbyn to table a motion of no confidence in the government then they would support us government then they would support us in seeing that off. the government will have a majority for the big votes in the house of commons and they will want to support us on brexit, but it is not a full coalition agreement. so they will not be ministers and influence conservative policy, we will have our separate identities on other issues. will this deal make you the nasty party again? no, of course not! as ijust explained on a range of issues particularly the social issues which people have in mind the conservative party will still have its own views and won't change its approach and there won't be a coalition deal on that kind of thing to change policy. will we find out how much it will cost? will the electorate find out how much the deal will cost? electorate find out how much the dealwill cost? of electorate find out how much the deal will cost? of course, electorate find out how much the dealwill cost? of course, i suspect there will be a package of extra economic support for northern ireland and it will be reported to parliament and we will need parliamentary approval in the usual way, but clearly, there will be

enough votes for that because the dup are bound to vote for that and the conservatives will as well. justified how, to prop up theresa may? no, it is nothing to do with propping up theresa may. it is about having stable government... propping up theresa may. it is about having stable government. . m propping up theresa may. it is about having stable government... it is a lot to do with propping up theresa may as prime minister? no, it's about having stable government for the country when the country has chosen to give no party an overall majority. i don't think the country wa nts majority. i don't think the country wants us to go off and have another election, they will say you have had two elections and a referendum, get on and do some governing and make the best of the situation we've created. that's a fair challenge and the independentjustification for some capital expenditure in northern ireland is after the troubles, and given the fact that their economy is not as strong and as wealthy as say the london and south—eastern economy, it is reasonable to give them extra capital. has john redwood got a point point. people don't want an election so this is the way forward ? an election so this is the way forward? well, the issue that wasn't touched on in that conversation that you had withjohn is the northern ireland peace process. it is clearly in the northern ireland agreement

that the british government has to hold the ring. it has to be the neutral party between the nationalist side and the unionist side. now... is this not the right way forward? the wrong way forward. by way forward? the wrong way forward. by entering into a confidence and supply arrangement you have removed the neutrality of the government. what's better? theresa may should have tried to govern as a minority ona have tried to govern as a minority on a minority basis. i think by going into this formal agreement with the dup, you are in serious danger of wrecking the northern ireland peace process and people's lives are at stake here. i know people are talking about westminster and playing politics, but the northern ireland peace process is one of the great achievements of re ce nt one of the great achievements of recent times and i think it is now in serious risk of being dislodged by this confidence in supply motion. how do you respond?” by this confidence in supply motion. how do you respond? i don't think that's true. the government wouldn't do anything to jeopardise the talks that are continuing between the different parties in northern ireland. the very act of having this... would you like me to answer? you know. the idea is that the

government will still be a strong advocate of the parties in northern ireland, talking through the issues they have got with each other so that we can restore devolved government in northern ireland. that will remain the government policy just as it was before suggestion of this agreement and no northern ireland secretary, i think in any government, would jeopardise that for the sake of some deal on some vote going on in the house of commons. it's not true. ijust think we have to look at the facts and where it clearly states that the neutrality of the british government is fundamental to the peace process that neutrality is now blown out of the water. arlene foster is the most powerful politician in the united kingdom. and she, it is her, yes or no, that will now dictate what this government is doing. so, i think that really we have been sold down the river. ithink that really we have been sold down the river. i think it would have been far more sensible for theresa may tojust govern been far more sensible for theresa may to just govern on a minority basis, but it's a sign of the total way in which she has been discredited and weakened by the general election. she is clinging on

to power by her fingertips. the man in charge of brexit negotiations, david davis, said he can't be certain that britain will secure a daesmt are you shocked by that? no, that's right. we have always made it very clear that we think we will get a deal and we think we can get a good dealfor them a deal and we think we can get a good deal for them and for us because we actually have the same interests although they keep that well concealed a lot of the time. but we've also said you have to be able to walk away. you don't have a negotiation if you're prepared to walk away. if all they do is come up with big bills and impediments to our trade we would be better off not having a deal. what is your own view, mr redwood about the status of eu citizens and their rights in the future and who should be the sort of arbiter of that? should it be the european court of justice arbiter of that? should it be the european court ofjustice for example? well, once we're an independent country again then our citizens should be under the control of the european courts for the issues arising where they're living in the european country, european union country and their citizens living in the uk should be under the

uk courts. that's what normally happens when you have independent countries. i don't see why the eu finds that a difficult concept to understand because they don't put the ecj over citizens in america, of course, they don't. does that sound sensible? what we are seeing is the fragile coalition on europe in the conservative party is falling apart. you have seen philip hammond making it clear that he wants to see a softer version of brexit and we assume that would mean some jurisdiction for the european court ofjustice. so, i'm afraid that what we have is very mixed messages coming from the government at the moment and so that's weak. and then on top of that, you've got the dup propping them. and a red line for the dup is the softest possible border between northern ireland and the republic of ireland which means really staying in the customs union which flies directly in the face of john's position and many of his ha rd core john's position and many of his hardcore brexiteers in the conservative party. so it is chaos.

ates real mess. we couldn't possibly be ina ates real mess. we couldn't possibly be in a weaker position going into the most important negotiations in post—war british history. the most important negotiations in post-war british history. just one lie after lie. mr hammond support the position that mrs may set out on the position that mrs may set out on the ecj and their role over where people live. stephen stood on a ma nifesto people live. stephen stood on a manifesto from the labour party which said they would be leaving the single market and the customs union. he may have disassociated himself with it, but the labour party ma nifesto with it, but the labour party manifesto was that, for the good reason that the official labour position and the official conservative position is we want to have lots of trade arrangements that improve our trade with the rest of the world and you cannot do that if you're in the customs union or the single market. we don't need these lies from labour. it is in contradiction of the dup's position. 0n the single market, i mean i agree there is a debate going across parliament on this and we're seeing a lot of the more pragmatic sensible

wing of the conservative party coming toa wing of the conservative party coming to a position... talk about your own party. there is a debate within the labour party, i recognise that. my position is that this is all about a transitional deal. there is no way that we're going to get the details of the divorce from the eu done by march 2019. the transition deal is there therefore pivotal in the negotiations. it should be based on us moving into the european economic area. do you worry about a transitional deal or do you think we need that or do you wa nt do you think we need that or do you want the brexit deal to be done in this two years? i don't think there is any need to have a transitional deal if the eu gets on with it. at the moment they don't seem to have a great sense of speed and typically in eu negotiations which i used to doa in eu negotiations which i used to do a lot of when i was minister, they would leave everything to the last minute so we may be leaving this until 2019, but it is in their interests to sort out the air routes and the customs basis and those kind of things that you need once we're independent and they know the

deadline is march 2019 and it looks like they want to leave it to nearer 2019. get on with it so we can have a friendly agreement sooner. it's not going to happen because theresa may called this general election to get a landslide to get a mandate for her type of brexit. that's not happening. we're becoming a laughing stock in the european union. all the cards are in their hands. you have to have a transitional arrangement. so actually, i think we've got to get real on this. a transition deal as philip hammond said is absolutely critical. the transition deal should be based on us going into the european economic area buys us time to negotiate the rest. we trade on wto trade with the rest of the world and we make a profit on that trade whereas we're in deficit with the eu. what's wrong with the wto basis if they can't come up with anything better? it is in their interest to

come up with something better. thank you very much. thank you. the latest news and sport in a moment. first, the weather. these are our weather watcher pictures. this was sent in by craig. blue skies across many other parts of the country. this sent in by ash and that's of swansea. if you are just stepping out, it's not particularly cold. in london, the current temperature is 18 celsius. as it is in plymouth, cardiff, looking at 17 celsius, birmingham 15 celsius, birmingham and edinburgh both 13als and the temperature continuing to rise. temperatures today peaking probably in the mid—20s in london. so what we have is low pressure drifting in from the south—west. later on, that will introduce some rain to northern ireland initially, but high pressure is firmly in charge of our weather for much of the day, for most of the uk which means a lot of settled

conditions, not much of a breeze and just one or two showers, not much more than that, but it also does mean that the uv levels are high or very high across many parts of the uk. something to bear in mind if you're out and about. and the pollen levels across england and wales are high. so, the forecast today, shows a lot of dry weather. variable amounts of cloud. just the odd shower. especially across northern parts of scotland and through the day as our low pressure comes in from the south—west, the cloud in the west will build, turning the sunshine hazier and introducing some more rain into northern ireland by the time we get to the late afternoon period. now as we head on through the evening and overnight, some of this rain will be heavy and persistent as it moves across northern ireland, into scotland and northern england and wales, the heaviest looks like it will be across cumbria and dumfries and

galloway. and then that all extends north—east wards. you can see this long trailing front and then we have got another area of low pressure coming in tomorrow coming up from the near continent. that will introduce thundery downpours. we start off with the rain pushing out of northern ireland, in across the rest of scotla nd northern ireland, in across the rest of scotland and northern england and wales and then our second band of thundery showers comes up from the south. it won't be range all the time. there will be dry spells in between, but we are looking at highs of 21 celsius and still feeling sticky in london. perhaps the driest conditions will be in northern ireland where we are looking at a mixture of bright spells, sunshine and showers. tuesday, and into wednesday, all this rain gathers as it continues to journey northwards across much of england and wales and it will continue fringing into scotla nd it will continue fringing into scotland and northern ireland as we head during the course of wednesday. hello. it's monday. it's 10 o'clock.

i'm victoria derbyshire. welcome to the programme. the confidence and supply deal between the dup and the conservative government is expected to be announced in the next couple of hours. also on the programme: every single tower block that's had its external cladding tested so far has failed fire safety tests. the key priority for us has got to be to keep people safe and that is why we are making sure this process works as quickly as possible. two months after we revealed 800 women were suing the nhs for debilitating pain casued by vaginal mesh implants, surgeons tell us that nhs england is using mesh to repair hernias which also leaves many patients in chronic pain. it is as though i have been stabbed with something hot. i don't want to be eat and i don't want to venture out too far. it started out as fiery burning agony. and after being sexually abused

by two former bbc radio presenters, a victim speaks out. people seem to have a different attitude to man. breaking news, charles and camilla will visit manchester arena today to talk to staff who were first on the scene of the bombing several weeks ago. we can talk to our reporter sarah smith now. what do you know? this is about them going to meet the first responders, the people on the scene in the moments and then the hours after the incident unfolded. we have heard a bit about what they will be doing today. they will be at the arena itself and meeting venue's

and security staff, and the medical teams who were there before anyone else there. we sometimes forget them when we think about the emergency services. they will be meeting british transport police, greater manchester police, the ambulance and fire services. and then they are off to manchester town hall. they are taking part in a round table discussion with community leaders and young people to talk about the impact it has had on them. and we saw the way the city seemed to come together in the days and weeks following the attack. they will be meeting medical staff from the eight hospitals involved in treating patients. thank you. now the rest of the news withjoanna. the bbc has been told the confidence and supply deal between the minority conservative government and the democratic unionists is expected to be announced in the next couple of hours. the dup leader arlene foster is due to hold talks with the prime minister in downing street this

morning. theresa may is seeking the backing of the dup's ten mps after losing her majority in the general election. every single tower block which has had its cladding tested since the grenfell disaster has failed fire safety inspections. there are still more than 500 other buildings nationwide that need to be checked. meanwhile john buildings nationwide that need to be checked. meanwhilejohn mcdonnell has told an audience at glastonbury that victims of the grenfell tower fire were murdered by political decisions, blaming the decision to view housing has only for financial speculation. six police officers were injured last night during a protest in east london about the death of a man last week, six days after he'd been stopped by police. bricks were thrown and bins set on fire near forest gate police station. the independent police complaints commission has said a post—mortem examination on edir frederico da costa showed that, contrary to some claims, he had no spinal injuries caused by officers. surgeons have told this programme that nhs england is using mesh to repair hernias which leaves many patients in chronic pain. nhs england said mesh implants had

been successfully used to treat hernias for several decades. the material is its recommended method for treating the condition. it is used on tens of thousands of patients every year. the use of mesh involves pushing bulging tissue back into the abdomen and covering it with the material, and it can be delivered via open or keyhole surgery. the doctors' union, the british medical association, will claim today that years of underinvestment have left the nhs failing too many people, too often. the head of the bma, mark porter, will accuse ministers of failing to spend as much on the health service as other european nations spend on theirs. a beach in majorca was closed yesterday after a blue shark sent bathers running out of the sea. the shark — thought to be about eight foot long — was spotted near swimmers close to magaluf. photos appear to show the shark swimming towards a group of people. it has now been captured. that is a summary of the latest bbc

news. more at 10:30am. that is a summary of the latest bbc news. more at10:30am. thank that is a summary of the latest bbc news. more at 10:30am. thank you. this message from elizabeth in derbyshire. she said she had a hernia repair operation and her body seems to reject the match and the sharp edges could be seen and feltjust by looking at my abdomen. i had two further operations to remove it. after the last one he said he still couldn't get it all out. for years i have had discomfort because of the remaining mesh. we will talk more about that in a moment. but first the sport. lewis hamilton described rival sebastian vettel‘s driving disgusting after the two clashed in an incident packed azerbaijan grand prix. the race included three safety cars and lots of crashes. it was won by red bull's daniel ricciardo. this is the incident everyone is talking

about — vettel was penalised for hitting hamilton's mercedes as they prepared for a re—start. hamilton was ahead with 19 laps to go, but his head rest came loose. he ended up fifth, behind vettel who's extended his championship lead over the briton to 14 points. if you want to prove that he is a man, ithink if you want to prove that he is a man, i think you should do it out of the car, face—to—face. driving dangerously weight in any way can put another driver at risk. it could have been a lot worse. imagine all the young kids watching formula one today and seeing that kind of behaviour from a world champion. it's a big week for the british and irish lions. they face the hurricanes tomorrow before the must—win second test on saturday with the all blacks. lions coach warren gatland criticised their opponents' tactics after the first test defeat but all blacks coach steve hansen hit back live on new zealand radio. predictable comments from warren

gatland, isn't it? to say two weeks ago we cheated and now this. it is disappointing because he is saying we are going out to deliberately injure somebody and that is not the case. we have never been like that and asa case. we have never been like that and as a new zealander i expect him to know that it is not about intentionally trying to hurt anybody. it is about playing hard and fair. petra kvitova looks well prepared to challenge for a third wimbledon title, winning just her second tournament since a career threatening hand injury. kvitova won the aegon classic in birmingham beating australia's ashleigh barty in the final. it's only six months since she was hurt in a knife attack by an intruder at her home. wimbledon qualifying begins at roehampton later, and it features marcus willis who made such an impact at last year's championships. he faces the world number 146 andrej martin of slovakia in the first round. meanwhile there are four brits in action at eastbourne. kyle edmund opens proceedings on centre court against usa's

donald young with british number two heather watson following later in her match against dominika cibulkova. she'll be followed by cameron norrie whilst wildcard naomi broady plays kristyna pliskova on court 0ne. and how about this from jordan spieth? the world number six won his 10th pga title in some style. it went down to a play—off at the travelers championship in connecticut. spieth, the 2015 masters and us open champion, chipping infrom the bunker to seal the title. at 23, he's now the second youngest player after tiger woods to reach 10 pga titles for 72 years. classy way to do it. that is all the sport for now. thank you. welcome to the programme. it is nearly 10:10am. surgeons have told this programme that nhs england is using mesh to repair hernias which leaves many patients in chronic pain.

the concerns come after we exclusively revealed in april that more than 800 women are taking legal action against the nhs over the use of vaginal mesh implants. one woman told us she was left screaming on all fours from the agonising pain. nhs england say mesh implants had been successfully used to treat hernias for several decades. 0ur reporter anna collinson has been investigating. we brught you herfull report earlier and here's a short extract. the nhs carried out more than 60,000 groin repairs in england between 2000 and 2016. but what happens if something goes wrong? alan abed had a groin hernia repair in 1998. a few yea rs a groin hernia repair in 1998. a few years ago she started feeling pain and has spent most of this year off work sick. it feels like something

is loose inside me and it is pulling when i walk. whether it has moved or it has detached itself, i can feel it. it feels like a foreign body inside me. we have heard from a lot of people who have had hernia mesh operations and now live with chronic pain. they come from across the uk and they vary in age and gender but some similarities are striking. they say they were never warned about the risks of chronic pain. they claim they have been in pain for years and some have problems walking. they say they have had many scans and tests which have all come back clear. they also claimed that gps mainly only offer pain relief and some suggested psychiatric help. doctors have a p pa re ntly psychiatric help. doctors have apparently repeatedly told them that mesh is not the cause. martin had a groin hernia mesh repair in 1999 after a bike accident. for a long time he was fine but then he started

getting abdominal pains. time he was fine but then he started getting abdominal painsm time he was fine but then he started getting abdominal pains. it is as if i have been stabbed with something hot. i don't want to eat. i don't wa nt to hot. i don't want to eat. i don't want to venture out too far. my worst day is getting up and feeling twice my age and not being able to put my own underwear and socks on. although at least one in ten groin hernia mesh patients will experience chronic pain, nhs england have told this programme that the technique has been undertaken extensively and successfully for several decades and note significant level of concern has been raised. —— no significant level. for yea rs has been raised. —— no significant level. for years martin has been suffering and he was not aware that there are people across the country who had similar stories to him and one even lived nearby. hello. i am helen. nice to meet you. take a seat. i have had an operation that i didn't need. and six years worth of investigation. meeting new has been

a complete revelation. it has helped confirm everything that i knew inside but was beginning to doubt.” will fight tooth and nail to get what i am entitled to. they have done this to me. i can't remove it. they have got to take it out. we began investigating hernia mesh is after so many of you contacted us to tell us about your problem after our exclusive film on vagina or mesh. my my reality was fine for the first three years but then i began to have what felt like very intense period pains that would go on for days and weeks. i was referred back to my gynaecologist who said it must be

your womb. i had gynaecologist who said it must be yourwomb. i had a gynaecologist who said it must be your womb. i had a full abdominal hysterectomy to try and rectify my pain. and of course i still had it. soi pain. and of course i still had it. so i lost my womb for no reason when i was 39. what did you think it was them? i went to see my gp after my hysterectomy and i said i was still in pain. he looked me square in the face and he said we have had you on the operating table, there is nothing there to see. you are depressed. wow. how did that make you feel? i got back in my car and i phoned my husband and i said i can't live any more. i can't go through this. i am live any more. i can't go through this. iam believing live any more. i can't go through this. i am believing the doctors. i think it is in my head. i didn't know where else to turn. did you have suicidal thoughts, can i ask? you did. yes. i planned it. i mapped

it out. that was our film from a couple of months ago. if you have a story you want us to look at, please email us. nhs england seems disinterested in collecting follow on data about mesh implants and some doctors are come pounding the problem by ignoring undiagnosed internal pains. raymond says, "i had this operation nearly three years ago and it brought so much pain and misery to my life. total denialfrom the gp and the hospital doctors about mesh problems and i'm still in pain." david says, "i had a groin hernia repair with mesh ten years ago and! hernia repair with mesh ten years ago and i have had pain ever since. it feels like broken glass slash barbed wire in my groin."john says,

"i have a an operation since 2015 andi "i have a an operation since 2015 and i have been in pain, but the co nsulta nt and i have been in pain, but the consultant said there was nothing with the operation." let's talk to jackie bullock who had an incisional hernia mesh repair in 2015. stratton richey, had a groin hernia repair a year earlier, but last year he had his mesh removed. kath sansom is from the sling the mesh campaign. krishna moorthy is chief of surgery and consultant surgeon at the british hernia centre which pioneered the use of mesh in the uk. with us a general surgeon who carries out around four to six hernia repairs with mesh every week foran nhs hernia repairs with mesh every week for an nhs hospital in leeds. thank you very much for coming on the programme. nice to see you all. jackie, tell us what your life was like before your hernia operation?” had mine to repair the hernias that

had mine to repair the hernias that had come through the operation. i used to enjoy fitness, looking after my horse and doing everything normally people would do and now i can't do any of that. i would love to go back to the gym to be able to get back on my horse, to be able to muck out and to do normal things, go shopping... why can't you do those things anymore? it feels like there isa things anymore? it feels like there is a piece of barbed wire pulling at you. when i go to stand up, it feels like my inside are being ripped apart. i struggle to bend down. i can't walk for periods of time. i struggle to walk upstairs because it pulls on your stomach and you have to lift your legs to do it. it leaves you in a mess. what about yourself? what was it like before yourself? what was it like before you had the mesh removed? exactly the same. i was off work for six months. it was very, very difficult. icame months. it was very, very difficult. i came out of hospital and the pain

was phenomenal. i went back to the sujon and he said the mesh repair is fine, just man up. so after a year, 18 months i went to a different surgeon and he discussed the shouldice method. it is a low grade method and it is getting better every day. when i woke up from surgery numbertwo, every day. when i woke up from surgery number two, that evening i walked to the pub. surgery number one, i couldn't get off the couch for six months. a big difference on that. the mesh itself, i understand was ina that. the mesh itself, i understand was in a perfect position, but during the surgery, a stitch had been put around a nerve and pulled it up. so it was being pulled all the time. no matter how much physiotherapy and swimming walking, it was therefore going to release that pain. do you blame the mesh or that pain. do you blame the mesh or that stitch put in by that surgeon at that time? it is going to be part of it because the mesh i could feel

it, it was a solid mass. you could fill it digging in. if it was done without the damage to the nerve, it maybe a different outcome. because there was a hole in the bowel and if you don't repair it, the bowel will p0p you don't repair it, the bowel will pop thrau and you will get a strange lated hernia. was it that damage to the nerve or not, who knows? we know the nerve or not, who knows? we know the nhs england say this is the recommended practise for hernia repair. you regularly carry out these repairs using mesh. when you hear patients, not your patients, describe the debilitating pain that they have been in, that they are in, what do you think? with most operations, even hernia surgery needs to be delivered by specialists who are, you know, treat hernia surgery as experts and you know, like any other operations, if it is delivered by specialists the outcomes are very delivered by specialists the outcomes are very good. the british

hernia centre has been doing this for 25 years now and treated thousands of patients with this technique with excellent outcomes and the other thing is... do you accept that, you two, do you think we we re accept that, you two, do you think we were the unlucky ones?” accept that, you two, do you think we were the unlucky ones? i had it done privately by a specialist surgeon in a specialist hospital. that's all he does. whether it was an error or the mesh and jackie will be different. mine was on the nhs. i'm sure there are people out there who had successful hernia repairs done using mesh, but there is a lot of us who haven't and that's, we need help. yes. the other issue is also about informed consent, you know, patients need to be informed that there is this incident of chronic groin pain and you know in my practise that's the one thing we talk about a lot during the outpatient consultation is this condition of chronic groin pain and how if it happens, in large number of patients, it's a niggling pain.

they come back and see me because they want to be reassured because it is nothing more serious. why is that there? because of the mesh? because of the scar tissue? there are lots of the scar tissue? there are lots of reasons. one of the reasons is probably because that area is very rich in nerves and if a nerve gets trapped then you get neuro pattic pain and that's probably one of the commonest causes for post hernia groin pain. before i bring in a surgeon, kath some of the things we are hearing today, sound very familiar to are hearing today, sound very familiarto me, are hearing today, sound very familiar to me, when we talked about vaginal mesh implants a few weeks ago. if i vaginal mesh implants a few weeks ago. if! can take vaginal mesh implants a few weeks ago. if i can take you back to the surgeon's skill. a lot of surgeons will aif you have a good surgeon, you can have a good surgeon and still have a bad outcome with chronic pain because the problem with the mesh implant, it is not inert. what that means is, once that

mesh is inserted, it can change. now, it can shrink and twist and degrade. so no amount of good surgery can compensate for the fact that you're putting something into a body. that's why we are getting scratching pains and you can get allergic reactions. it is similar to the vaginal mesh implants. do you accept that? the actual, the nature of the mesh, what it is made of, can be the problem once it's inserted whether for vaginal be the problem once it's inserted whetherfor vaginal mesh be the problem once it's inserted whether for vaginal mesh implants be the problem once it's inserted whetherfor vaginal mesh implants or a hernia repair? the cause of pain is multi— victoria as my colleague just said. it is a neuro pathic pain. with hernia repairs, open operations, it is nerves in the groin can get injured whilst making the incision, these nerves can also

be irritated by the mesh. a good way around this is increasingly being practised is to do the groin hernia operations by different route and not fixing the mesh as one of your interviewees pointed out. the pain is related to a nerve being trapped bya is related to a nerve being trapped by a stitch or a staple that's been used to fix the mesh. so putting the mesh in without fixation and using a lightweight mesh. so that the problems of the mesh itself are not protruding and poking and so on are minimised. stratton is here and would like a quick word with you. it's right when you are doing any surgery, you will cause damage. there will be post—operative repair.

i went back after six months and i was i went back after six months and i was told to man up. there was no offer of a scan to see if there was any damage in there. it was just said the mesh is fine. go away and get on with it. which wasn't possible. the pain was still too much. so, the follow—up is potentially not as good as perhaps it should be. the surgery i'm sure done well, but the follow up and we're talking about this earlier, of how you deal with the patient post—operative, as well as preoperative and you talked about telling us how much it could cause pain. when you go to see the doctor, it's not a language you know and the doctor will give us all this information and come flooding like a pebble on the beach and it is a lot for a patient who has no medical knowledge to understand what does chronic pain really mean. yeah, i will get on with that, i will take nurofen and that may not be enough and if there is damage, nurofen or any other open yet is not going to help. i completely agree with you

and follow—up is paramount and it's also very important and i firmly enshrine that in my practise is to counsel people about the pros and cons about hernia operations and to emphasise chronic pain. kath would like to come in on this point. this point is so key about follow—up. you are talking about follow—up, but in the real world, when anybody goes back after they have a mesh implant operation. you get a quick consultation, the surgeon doesn't ta ke consultation, the surgeon doesn't take that much notice because they think it will settle down awe feel you need to go away because you're not taken seriously. not only are you in pain, but that's compounded by the fact that you are not really taken seriously. i don't believe there is proper auditing of how a patient is after their mesh operation. that goes for the first consultation a year down the line,

however long down the line i don't think patients feel in the real world that they can keep going back toa world that they can keep going back to a surgeon because you are made feel like you are annoying or man up or in the women's mesh you're made to feel like you a menopausal silly woman. go away. there is different types of pain. when i woke up from the shouldice operation, it was a different pain. comments. "my wife had a hernia operation and she has suffered chronic pain, she can not walk more than a few steps because the pain is too intense and she is using a wheelchair. it is that bad she says she doesn't want to be here anymore. the surgeon that performed the repair refused to help and said mesh wasn't the problem." what should, what is your advice as a surgeon? what should that patient and husband do? what should they do? that patient should be managed by a

multidisciplinary team. what should they do now? they should go back and see the surgeon, go back to the hospital. how make them listen? the experience from so many people is, the first thing the surgeon says is, "it can't possibly be the mesh." well, one of the things is to make a multidisciplinary approach. it is usually surgeons working with radiologists and working with pain clinics. the surgeons aren't offering scans. pain clinics are nonexistent. they are denying the level of pain. that's a really massive issue here. they are denying the level of pain and they are denying the mesh has anything to do with the pain. therefore, you are made to feel go away or a nuisance or going a bit mad. it is so very cruel. it is like any surgery. informed consent is so important.” don't want to go over old ground.

this person should go back to the surgeon and beg them to listen and then say, "please let me have a second opinion." is that sensible. yes. i think it should be pointed out that serious pain after a hernia repair operations is a well established and well documented problem. i'm getting messages, sorry to interrupt, from people who had this years ago, this operation. here is another one, "wow, this is how i have been feeling for the past ten yea rs. have been feeling for the past ten years. i have had all the investigations and still been fobbed off. i have had two hernia repairs andi off. i have had two hernia repairs and i have been left incapacitated. your programme has given me comfort in that i'm not alone." kevin broub says, "i have had a mesh repair. i had really intense burning in my groin likea had really intense burning in my groin like a blow torch. i wasn't being listened. they implied it was all in my head."julie says, "i had all in my head."julie says, "i had a hernia mesh op in 2014, i am on

medication for nerve pain. ifind it difficult to sit down and nauseous when i lie down. i thought i was the only one in this situation until now." it is worth pointing out that lots of people had exactly this and they have had really good outcomes. plenty of people e—mailing. so we need to make that point. let me tell you that a spokesperson for the royal college of surgeons says that mesh implants are the most effective way to deal with a hernia. the use of a mesh also ensures patients recover quickly and this from nhs england, mesh repair is the recommended method of groin hernia repairand it is recommended method of groin hernia repair and it is the most widely used technique. with shouldice i have movement in that area. used technique. with shouldice i have movement in that aream used technique. with shouldice i have movement in that area. it is an effective treatment option. it fixes t but what nobody talks about is the

quality of life after wafrds. there is the vagina mesh implants, the risk is up to 42% of. that's a high figure, but they conclude by saying, "this is an effective treatment option." we are talking about the quality of life that goes alongside it. thank you very much for coming on the programme. thank you. thank you. i appreciate your time. a deal between the dup and the conservatives is expected to be announced within the next hour. the dup leader, arlene foster, is about to arrive at downing street to finalise a deal with theresa may. it would see the party's 10 mps supporting her minority conservative government on what's called a confidence and supply basis. 0ur political correspondent chris mason is here. good morning. it isjust worth explaining what the confidence and supply deal means in practical terms. yes. what it means is something very different from our

only other recent experience of a major party failing to secure a majority which was the coalition deal that we saw in 2010. the book was written after that deal was signed called five days in may. by mike ata signed called five days in may. by mike at a nation we are into 18 days injune and mike at a nation we are into 18 days in june and still mike at a nation we are into 18 days injune and still no deal. —— by my calculation. the liberal democrat and the conservatives came into government gather and sat around the cabinet table together and it was formal and it was signed on the dotted line and we all remember that moment of lovey—dovey in the rose garden. it has taken much longer to come to that arrangement this time, and secondly that arrangement... just keeping an eye on those gates to see if there is any movement. arlene foster not quite ready to roll in as the leader of the dup. this confidence and supply agreement isa this confidence and supply agreement is a looser arrangement. in essence it means that the dup will agree to

back the conservatives on the very big boats, votes of confidence and supply. that means money. budget. that is the essence of the deal that we expect to be formally announced in the next couple of hours. the crucial bit will be how much detail we get about what the dup has managed to secure a return and how willing they are to support the conservative day in and day out as well as just those big votes. conservative day in and day out as well asjust those big votes. what kind of things might arlene foster have been negotiating to get for northern ireland in the last couple of weeks? i suspect we can probably surmise that in one word which is u nfortu nate. surmise that in one word which is unfortunate. i am going to try to keep talking until she arrives! the word is money. that is reasonable. if you are the biggest party in northern ireland you would want to say to your voters that you are getting something for this deal with the conservatives. there has been quite a lot of expectation among the

democratic unionists, who are very skilled negotiators because of the nature of northern ireland politics and power sharing, which involves a lot of negotiation. money for northern ireland will be central. the tricky thing from the perspective of the conservatives in doing that, you would perfectly understand why there would be clamouring from wales and scotland saying, hang on, if you are shovelling dot in the direction of belfast, what about us? —— shovelling dosh. it is a fine balance that theresa may has got to strike, not overreaching what would be seen to be acceptable in the rest of the uk. however without the support of the dup, she is a minority government and incredibly vulnerable to losing votes in the house of commons. to go back to your earlier question about the difference between this deal and the 15 years ago, even if the dup are

willing to back the conservatives on big votes of confidence and supply, unlike with the liberal democrats and the conservatives, there was an expectation once that deal was signed that there was a decent majority for the coalition, and therefore it was unlikely to lose commons votes, even with a confidence and supply deal, there will still be pretty much every week, sometimes more often than every week, nervous moments for the conservatives wear a big vote comes up, even a small boat, and they are thinking where are the dup? are they evenin thinking where are the dup? are they even in westminster? can they rely on them? the chief whip for the conservatives, the guy in charge of discipline and making sure that conservative mps vote in the way theresa may hopes, we saw him going into downing street and he has one heck of a job coming up. strictly on

the brexit votes as the brexit negotiations happen over the next couple of years. can ijust ask negotiations happen over the next couple of years. can i just ask you about the peace process? the good friday agreement suggested that the british government had to be neutral between nationalists and democratic unionists, and many critics of this deal between the dup and the tories say the government is no longer neutral. it cannot be an impartial voice when it comes to negotiating in northern ireland because it is now on the side of the dup. yes, thatis now on the side of the dup. yes, that is a really tricky area diplomatically for the conservatives to tread. yes, the good friday agreement obliges both the british government and the irish government to be neutral, impartial, in its outlook on politics in northern ireland and the different political parties in northern ireland. we have already seen expressions of reservation articulated by some on the other side of the political divide in northern ireland from sinn fein and also from the nationalist

sdlp, who have said hang on. if you are going to remain impartial, how can you be certain that is the case. how can we be certain? if you are propped up in westminster by the dup? james brokenshire has done his best to make the argument that the conservatives will remain impartial in their dealings with northern irish specifics, but they will have this arrangement with the dup at westminster. but there are sceptics who say that is turning a pretty clear line into something that looks rather fuzzy and vague. and we have seen others involved in the whole process of arranging the good friday agreement expressing their reservations about what it might mean for the stability of northern irish politics. this would be a big deal whoever had won the general election, even if the party hat won clearly with an overall majority. politics in northern ireland is very

much in flux at the moment as we wait to see if there can be some kind of deal to restart power—sharing, restart the assembly at stormont. that old thing unravelling back at the beginning of the year, if you remember, with the row over the renewable heating scheme and the collapse of the local power—sharing arrangement there. elections in march and still no resolution to that. as you can tell, iam resolution to that. as you can tell, i am waffling! we still haven't seen arlene foster and the gates are closed. no sign of her. diddy factor, you have not been waffling but you have been looking to your left a lot. —— to be fair. don't worry, we will see her because she will be right behind you but we do appreciate your efforts! the gates are closed so it is not imminent u nfortu nately. are closed so it is not imminent unfortunately. the minute we stop talking, she will roll up. and we will be back with you as soon as that happens. now the headlines with joanna. and we are prime to go back

to downing street as soon as. every one of the 60 tower blocks which have had their cladding tested since the grenfell disaster has failed fire safety inspections. there are still more than 500 other buildings nationwide that need to be checked. meanwhile, labour's john mcdonnell has told an audience at a glastonbury festival event that victims of the grenfell tower fire were murdered by political decisions blaming what he called the decision to view housing as only for financial speculation. six police officers were injured last night during a protest in east london about the death of a man last week, six days after he'd been stopped by police. bricks were thrown and bins set on fire near forest gate police station. the independent police complaints commission has said a post—mortem examination on edir frederico da costa showed that, contrary to some claims, he had no spinal injuries caused by officers. and now back to chris! as predicted, here they come. the leading lights of the democratic unionist party are heading up the street. i will get

out of the shot and we will shout questions in their direction. deal or no deal? have you got one now? why has it taken so long? deal or no deal, mrs foster? how much money have you held out for? what price for dup support? is this the moment of you signing on the dotted line? deal or no deal? there you go. one of those classic absurd journalistic moments where we shout questions, some more intelligent than others and some rather inane, and we predictably get no answer whatsoever but plenty of smiles on the steps of downing street. we think we will get the details of the deal next half an hour or so but they were ten minutes late so i am giving up on time predictions this morning. fine.

thank you. as soon as theresa may and arlene foster of the dup come out of the front door, as they will at some point and say something about whether there has been deal or no deal, then you will see it live on the bbc news channel. next on the programme: a man who was sexually assaulted as a 14—year—old boy by two former bbc radio presenters tells us he is speaking out to help other victims come forward. husband and wife tony and julie wadsworth we re and wife tony and julie wadsworth were found guilty of encouraging six boys between the ages of 11 and 15 to ta ke boys between the ages of 11 and 15 to take part in sexual activity in the 1990s. the couple presented on bbc radio london wn and radio leicester. our next guest has arrived. she is sitting opposite to me and she is the first female cou nty me and she is the first female county commissioner for leicestershi re county commissioner for leicestershire scouts. can i first apologise? she was a very naughty cub scout, my mrs. one of the

victims has waived his right to anonymity. you might find this upsetting. you may not want young children to hear this. darren cunningham was 14 when the abuse began. i googled the names of the people i had seen on the tv and i had seen the pictures and it was them, the same couple. i went home andi them, the same couple. i went home and i told my wife that they had been on the news. i said i don't know whether to telephone the police because they have been charged with offences in 1996. what happened to us was in 1992. i was wondering what happened in four years in between? did they stop? for a couple of years i toyed with the idea of telling the police because i was getting married ina police because i was getting married in a month. my wife said do you want to bring this up four weeks before the wedding? i gave it a few days and decided to call the police. i dialled 101 and i spoke to someone

on the phone and they got the cid officer in charge of the case to ring me back. he asked me to come in foran ring me back. he asked me to come in for an interview. i went in and gave a statement about what happened to us. i think at the forefront of your mind you had not only what happened to you but the fact that you have gotan to you but the fact that you have got an 11—year—old stepson. to you but the fact that you have got an 11-year-old stepson. they said the youngest victim was 11. i lived at my stepson, who is 11 soon, and they are tiny. when it happened to us we were 14. although it was still really bad we thought we were in control. that is what grooming does. it makes you think you are in control. and can i ask what happened to you in the 90s? what happened was we we re to you in the 90s? what happened was we were playing in the park as kids. a friend came down and said there is a lady and a man coming down and the lady has got no underwear on. we said how do you know and she said she has got a skirt on with split up the side. we went and had a look,

the side. we went and had a look, the boys that i was with, and there she was walking down the road with her legs coming out of the split in her legs coming out of the split in her skirt. because it was so high you could see there was no knickers line. she looked back at us and she was giggling and they liked the fact that we were having a look. they went into the trees in the busy park. we went in and had a look through the gaps in the bushes. they beckoned us to come closer and they told us to come in. they were performing sex acts on each other. escape was lifted up and her top was undone and she undid his trousers and took out his penis. they asked us if there was somewhere more private and we were a group of boys who knew the area so we said there was woodland not far away. i took my bike and we walked up there. they went into the trees and they had

full sex in the woodland in front of us and we stood there watching. we we re us and we stood there watching. we were shocked, surprised, just like 14—year—old boys. we hadn't seen anything then. it was not the time of the internet. most 14—year—old boys have probably seen something with the internet but we hadn't at that time. there was no internet. we watch them and they invited us to come back next week to see them again. we went back the next week and watched them again. at the end of that time, she said if you come back next week, you can have a play. so we went. all this time, they were inviting us. we thought we were in control of it. we didn't know any better. the week after we went back. a boy that i was with went into the bushes first with julie and tony. i waited at the footpath. he had been got a few minutes and he came back. he said he has got a camera. her husband has got a camera. he said that she wanted me to go in so i

went in. she was sitting there on her coat in stockings and suspenders with no underwear and shoes on. i went and sat next to her and i said iam not went and sat next to her and i said i am not doing anything because he has got a camera. she told her husband to take a walk and he walked off into the woods with the camera. basically she undid my trousers, took total control, masturbated me, told me to touch her, and basically instructed me what to do. in court, the couple's defence was that you we re the couple's defence was that you were older than you were and that she in particular was a victim of poisonous and untrue allegations. when i went into the dock i was scwed for an hour—and—a—half. they went over my story lots of times and first of all they said i had met a couple, but it wasn't them and then they said i hadn't met anybody and i was lying and then they said i had met them, but i was older. itjust

changed quite a lot through the whole hour—and—a—half i was in there, but when she went into court herself, she admitted to touching me, but said i was older. i knew how old i was because significant things happened at that time. a friend of mine's mum had died in the period that this happened. so, within, we met them on the saturday and then the following thursday, my friend's mum had died and then the saturday after that, we went again. so i knew the exact date. i could check when my friend's mum died so i knew the exact date it happened.” my friend's mum died so i knew the exact date it happened. i think some of your friends now have said that they wish it had happened to them. yeah. yeah. a lot of, it has had a lot of mixed reactions really. most men think that it was great and they wish it had happened to them, but it's not that way. i have got a 14—year—old daughter. i have got a 13—year—old and if a 35—year—old man

was doing something to them, everybody would be up in arms and they would want them lynched or put away, but seem seem to have a different attitude to men. they think that, it is said in the paper and it has been said a few times, it is like every boy's dream, every 14—year—old boy's dream and it probably is when you're 14, 14—year—old boy's dream and it probably is when you're14, but you don't realise that it's wrong at 14. you think you're a man or you think you're grown up. teens do. they think they are grown up way before their time and it's just wrong, isn't it? the nspcc say their behaviour was child sexual abuse. people are much more aware of abuse on children now. not that they weren't aware, but ijust don't think it's taken in the same light and now the police are very good at, they know, all the signs of abuse and they are helpful. when i went to speak to them, they were brilliant with me. i mean, you were groomed effectively. you may not have

realised it, but that's what happened? i always believed from that day, we have never really spoke about it much. i told my wife when i met her and i told a group of boy and they didn't believe me, but i a lwa ys and they didn't believe me, but i always thought, it was only us. me and the group of friends that we we re and the group of friends that we were in, we bumped into them by chance and seeing they were canoodling and having sex in the woods and we got invited just by chance that that happened. it wasn't until they were charged with the offences in 1996 and i later heard about all the other accounts that it was, they were grooming and it was basically an n0 for them. they led us to believe they showed them the woods where they went, but it turned out they took other boys to the same place. it was just what they were doing and what they were into. they have been jailed for five years for indecently assaulting underage boys. what do you think of the sentence?”

think five years, it's fair. i was just happy that they got sentenced. i wanted them to get charged so it didn't happen to anyone else. it wouldn't matter if they got two yea rs or wouldn't matter if they got two years or got 20. they are at an age now where five years is a big chunk of their life, 60 and 70 years old. so they will feel the punishment and i'm sure people if prison will know who they are. and how important finally darren has it been to wave your right to anonymity, to speak up about this? it has been important. i had a couple of messages via facebook of people that have been abused and hadn't told anybody and now, me being on the tv and speaking out has made them come forward. they have got interviews with the police andi have got interviews with the police and i think if it gives people the strng to come forward then it is the right thing to do. thank you very much, darren. thank you so much for talking to us. thank you. darren cunningham talking to us a

little earlier. six police officers have been injured and four people arrested in a protest over the death of a man following a traffic stop. noel phillips reports. the protest began after 3pm yesterday afternoon outside forest gate police station in east london. friends and family claim edir frederico da costa's neck was broken and he was brutally beaten, but the independent police complaints commission which is investigating says a preliminary postmortem indicated there were no spinal injuries caused by the police. this man, who was a childhood friend of the 25—year—old father of one, did not want to be identified. they need to tell us what happened. what happened on that day? how did he get killed? what happened on that day? how did he get killed ? what happened ? happened on that day? how did he get killed? what happened? that's what we need to know from the police. simple. edir frederico da costa died in hospital on wednesday. six days after he was stopped in a car with

two other people by police in the newham area of east london. the metropolitan police initially said he became unwell and that he had swallowed a large quantity of drugs. but relatives told the bbc that he suffered a series of extensive injuries including a broken neck, brain damage as a result of head injuries, a broken collarbone and a loss of his eyesight due to the quantity of cs spray used on him.” wa nt to quantity of cs spray used on him.” want to know answers why they used so much force on someone and why they kicked him down and then broke his neck in two places. he was unconscious. it's disgusting. it's just disgusting. there were angry scenes as a demonstration which was supported by the uk's black life matter movement caused the shopping centre to be evacuated. despite senior police officers meeting protesters and

trying to calm tensions, there were violent scenes later in the evening. bricks were thrown and bins set on fire. nothing, nothing, legit has been touched. no people's businesses, no people's cars, no nothing. they have gone for the police. do you understand what i'm trying to say to you? really and truly what other way can you do it? i'm asking you what other way can we go about this now? scotland yard says six of its officers were injured. meanwhile four people were arrested. but edir frederico da costa's family say they have a number of questions. they say they wa nt to number of questions. they say they want to know how and why he lost his life? the independent police complaints commission is investigating the case. let's talk to respect. he was at the protest yesterday. tell us what happened yesterday? from 2pm until about 7pm i was there, we met

up until about 7pm i was there, we met up at forest gate station. it was a peaceful protest. all the way from forest gate to stratford, completely peaceful. no violence. people were agitated. there was people that wa nted agitated. there was people that wanted to, you know, there was people that wanted to react violently because they felt like the questions weren't being answered and the majority of us there kept telling them no, we're going to deal with this peacefully. i heard that afterwards, when the people was going back towards stratford, i don't know because it was police antagonism because i know the police we re antagonism because i know the police were kind of antagonising some of the guys down there, i don't know if that's the reason, but we heard there was some form of uprising. but there was some form of uprising. but the violence, that wasn't the reason why we went out there and one of the things i want people to remember is if there is 200 people and they're peaceful and two people start, it looks like it's everyone. so you're disappointed with those behind the violence? oh yeah. i'm definitely disappointed. but at the

same time, i have to be able to understand it. they're grieving and they're not getting answers. 0ne understand it. they're grieving and they're not getting answers. one of they're not getting answers. one of the guys asked what can we do if i quotejfk the guys asked what can we do if i quote jfk and martin the guys asked what can we do if i quotejfk and martin luther king. what happens if the police don't deal with people like me who want peaceful resolutions do you know what i'm saying? we just want justice. as we know when black children kill black children they go due process and they're prosecuted. we just want the same for the police. there are, as you know, two conflicting accounts about what happened to this young man. yeah. what the family says and what the police say, couldn't be more different. 10096. in terms of what you want now, what would you say?” don't any the family is lying because the police told the family not tojoin the because the police told the family not to join the protest yesterday and the family didn'tjoin the protest. so, i don't feel like the family have a reason to lie and from

my experience, police brutality is rife, that's why a lot of them guys was rioting because they have had to deal with police brutality on so many occasions and we heard about it from mark duggan there has been many deaths in police custody and not anyone has been prosecuted. do people have faith in the independent police complaints commission?m people have faith in the independent police complaints commission? it is made up of ex—police officers. so, a lot of us believe that that compromises them. not independent enough? yes, it is not independent enough? yes, it is not independent enough because they haven't yet managed to prosecute one police officer to my knowledge. thank you. we contacted the metropolitan police for an interview but were told no one was available. but they sent us a statement from newham's borough commander chief superintendent ian larnder, who says, "all police officers are fully aware that they will be asked to account for their actions, officers are not exempt from the law

and we would not wish to be. i know that edir's family, friends and the wider community want answers, but it is important that the investigation is allowed to take place to establish the full facts of what happened before any conclusions are made." thank you. look at this footage. it is a blue shark and it terrified tourists when it appeared in shallow waters off the coast of majorca. it has been captured. let's talk to some people who was a meterfrom let's talk to some people who was a meter from the shark. how was it? we we re meter from the shark. how was it? we were on the beach all morning and our first sort of venture into the sea and angela got up and went into the sea whilst other people seemed to be coming out of the sea carrying their children. i shouted out to her that they didn't want any part of her going in the sea so they were leaving as a joke! then i saw this fin come past very close and very shallow water. so obviously everyone

got out. there were a couple of life guards ushering people out quickly and then everybody on the beach itself just rushed to and then everybody on the beach itselfjust rushed to the waterjust to watch this shark swim by really. so... were you scared? more excited than scared because i had never seen anything like it really. 0bviously than scared because i had never seen anything like it really. obviously a lot of parents with their young children they probably had the most worry, but i don't know, maybe it's just that we don't have a great deal of nobbling about sharks. we didn't really know what they horror stocies. butjtseemedialnl the way the shark swam past was like the way the shark swam past was fairly inoffensive to be honest with you, but just an fairly inoffensive to be honest with you, butjust an amazing sight. it was a beautiful creature. really. is that what you thought when you saw it? it was our initial thought and as soon as the shark was ushered out of the area, people just started going in the sea again. it is not a common occurrence, but

people didn't, i guess, didn't feel asff’fjf’ f if “gt —— — asf’ a ff f if “gt —— — ‘ see ‘see 22 g crazy- ever see in films. it's crazy. thank you tim. hello. many of us starting the week with sunshine. the first signs of this area of low pressure fast approaching from the south—west. increasing the cloud and bringing rain into northern ireland as we head into the afternoon, but ahead of that, aside from a shower across scotland, many places having a dry day and sunshine. in the sunshine we could see highs of 23 or 24 celsius across eastern and southern parts of england, but limited to 15 or 16 celsius for northern ireland as that

rain starts to settle in. it could bea rain starts to settle in. it could be a tricky rush hour. some heavy and persistent rain for a time. the rain transfers north and eastwards and parts of scotland overnight. not reaching the northern isles. dry, cloudy, but mild further south, but the rain still with us tomorrow morning. heavy and persistent across northern england and scotland. clearing from northern ireland to leave showers, but further south, brighter and drier spells, also heavy and thundery showers could merge to give a longer spell of rain. in the sunshine, it will still feel warm and humid. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11...

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