a threat to american security — the us secretary of state confirms the weapon fired by north korea is an intercontinental ballistic missile. ina in a written statement, read —— rex tillerson said it was a threat posed by chong yang. —— pyongyang. the bbc speaks to a man in afghanistan who claims british special forces unlawfully killed members of his family. the bbc understands the royal police are investigating. and at least 50 people have been killed as heavy rains pound central and southern china. hundreds of thousands have been forced from their homes as water in more than 60 rivers rises above danger levels. now, it is hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk with me, as an

dali. president trump is meeting his fellow leaders of the g20 summit in hamburg this week when big issues like international trade and climate change will be on the agenda. my guest is the progressive canadian and american writer and activist naomi klein and she says that donald trump's becoming president amounts toa trump's becoming president amounts to a corporate takeover by brand trump and is calling for mass protest against it. are her radical policies a panacea against the current ills in the united states? naomi klein, welcome to hardtalk.

you have just written a new book, no is not enough. is it liberal critique of donald trump?” is not enough. is it liberal critique of donald trump? i am try to concentrate less on donald trump the personality, the personality, the personality, the personality, the extremist, the shock machine that has everybody gusting with his tweets and put him into the context really off the last a0 years of economic history and how we arrived here. in this culture where we have had the chance of lifestyle brands and we have humans merging with corporations, we worship wealth, consumption is a way of life. we have dominance raised logic on our economy at every level so trump makes sense and i want to put him in context. in what way does he represent all that? as you say, he has become a i—man mega brand with

his children and wife spin—off brands. he breathes brands within his family. this is the first time we have had a politicalfigure of this stature who is a fully commercialised superbrand. the trump corporation is built around his personality so it isn'tjust corporation is built around his personality so it isn't just that corporation is built around his personality so it isn'tjust that he has refused to divest from his business would be —— which would be problematic enough, the business is trump. this relates to that first book i ever wrote which is no logo and the brands in the 90s was less about selling and making products and more about building ideas and then creating these branded cocooned lifestyles and donald trump did that. he started off building buildings and then he just started buildings and then he just started building brand trump especially after he had the apprenticed. his

brand employs 3a,000 people. a lot of people that are reliant on his organisation. i don't see what that has to do with... he is more than a brand. look, the people who make most of the buildings that they are the trump logo are not employed direct league by trump. his main business model is to build his name —— directly. business model is to build his name -- directly. there is a figure from last yea r‘s -- directly. there is a figure from last year's c n n money. they looked into the whole trump organisation and that is the figure they came up with. what are you saying, that he doesn't build... he leases brand trump. to say there is 34,000 employees under the trump brand. ——i am just saying. is he more than a brand in that he stands for policies, very clear policies and he

ta ps policies, very clear policies and he taps into the zeitgeist when he says, look, i'm not happy about globalisation. he said, in particular about globalisation in june last year, it makes that elite very wealthy that has left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache. he is not the only political figure poverty and heartache. he is not the only politicalfigure on poverty and heartache. he is not the only political figure on the right thatis only political figure on the right that is tapping into huge levels of dissatisfaction around corporate globalisation. marine le pen is doing the same in france and the brexit campaign in the uk tapped into that same energy and he ran on this campaign to bring backjobs, to stand up for the working class. what he is doing in power is very, very different and that's why as you said in your introduction, i said this is a takeover. not just in your introduction, i said this is a takeover. notjust a brand trump but exxonmobil that is taking —— taking over... rex tillerson lived at exxonmobilfor his taking over... rex tillerson lived at exxonmobil for his entire adult

life. after campaigning against goldman sachs and wall street, accusing his republican rivals like ted cruz of the same, trump has turned around and appointed five former goldman sachs executives to his cabinet which is unprecedented. so you are saying the money is associated with donald trump. eleanor forte in saying is where he is governing is quite different to the way he campaigned. there was a political brand called make america great again. what he has done is pushing policies that systematically read is to be at wealth to the i% of the i%. read is to be at wealth to the i% of the 196. he is doing it with tax policy and infrastructure plans, healthcare, social security. that is not what he campaigned on. interesting you bring up the campaign when you say that's not what he campaigned on because the democratic candidate, hillary clinton, spent billion on his campaign —— her campaign and donald trump spent $600 million. if you look at your argument, just looking

at the campaign, it would seem that big money flowed more to the democratic candidate. that is not my argument. that is a point to make, though, isn't it? you can make that point. hillary clinton paved the way for donald trump, as i said in the book. he did not win the election but she lost at the election. this golden throne was not going to be a saviour to the working class will stop he won because the democrats we re stop he won because the democrats were not able to energise their base and that is why i say no, it's not enough. it is not enough to critique trump. they have to be an economic project on the progressive side that speaks to the need forjobs and security that trump was speaking to. he was selling lies. one thing he has done is paid up the

trans—pacific has done is paid up the tra ns—pacific partnership has done is paid up the trans—pacific partnership agreement because he thinks that trade has not served the united states well and says he wants to renegotiate nafta. .. to make says he wants to renegotiate nafta... to make it more like ttip. he taps into the zeitgeist and has criticised countries like japan and germany because they have huge trade surpluses. he was to bring jobs to the united states. well, he says that, he says that. if we look at what he is doing, he will actually end up driving down wages. his secretary has been out there reassuring business audience is that when they renegotiate nafta, they are going to do to make it more like the tra ns—pacific partnership are going to do to make it more like the trans—pacific partnership which is exactly what trump campaigned against. 0f is exactly what trump campaigned against. of course, he raised these hopes but i don't believe he is going to bring thejobs back and support middle—class lifestyles. he did it to get elected and it was a resona nt did it to get elected and it was a resonant promise but that is wide my

argument is that progressives need to step up into this moment with a real 21st—ce ntu ry to step up into this moment with a real 21st—century jobs programme and i'm passionate about climate change and the fact that we need jobs that are going to support middle—class families and working—class families but also bring in missions down very, very quickly and luckily we can do this, we can create huge numbers of jobs in can do this, we can create huge numbers ofjobs in efficiency, public transport, renewable energy. this is the future, not creating more coal and weapons jobs. even if they might not be as well played as —— paid as you might like, at least he wants to bring jobs back. i know you say in your book that buries outsourcing in trump's organisations but... —— and various. he wants to bring back some labour. you have to accept that time i tell if he does do that. he is saying that free trade isn't all it is cracked up to be an error people worried about protectionism now when the us and so on. absolutely. i am saying there

must be some things that you agree with him on. what i say is the reason that donald trump and the brexit campaign and marine le pen have been able to be as successful as they have been is because this terrain which is right that —— rightfully progressive has been seeded because centrist parties that originally opposed these trade deals ended up negotiating them and advancing them further. bill clinton and this is a huge reason why hillary clinton was not trusted a mug working—class families in america is that bill clinton promised to renegotiate the whole agreement of nafta and ended up pushing to agenda much further. —— trusted among working—class families. this is why we have seen a wave of support for figures like jeremy cameron and bernie sanders who stand for a more progressive economic policy. there is some

overla p economic policy. there is some overlap between progressive voices such as yours and what donald trump is pushing. jelinek there is overla p, is pushing. jelinek there is overlap, of course. but —— there overla p. overlap, of course. but —— there overlap. we ignore the impact of communities and hid behind trade deals that were better for companies than workers." donald trump has opened up the space where you have people saying these things. saying things. he has opened debate amongst senior corporate figures. absolutely, there is a shifting political ground and that is happening for a variety of reasons. the economic project that began under reagan and thatcher has been in crisis since the 2008 crash. there is a vacuum. where the

ideological project as privatisation and corporate free—trade deals used to be. on the right you have these populist figures who are coming in and mixing a feeling that economic decisions are all being made by these remote bureaucracies which is true, that economic conditions are becoming more and more precarious and mixing it up with xenophobia and racism and misogyny. you have populist sentiment on the right—wing and argument —— arguably donald trump isa and argument —— arguably donald trump is a populist from the centre right. you mentioned jeremy corbyn and arguably you yourself. there is common ground is what i am saying. buries ground, certainly, in this tapping in of the anti— establishment feeling out there. —— there is. but surely you can't say i

don't need any of wall street's money and then bringing in five goldman sachs people into your cabinet. what i am saying is we can't just expose. .. cabinet. what i am saying is we can'tjust expose... it is so obvious to expose that donald trump isa obvious to expose that donald trump is a fraud but the real issue is what our progressives go to do in the us? this is a real concern because this is a malleable moment. there is a moment now, especially with what we are seeing with healthcare, there with what we are seeing with healthca re, there planned with what we are seeing with healthcare, there planned to replace 0bama kate is to keep millions of people off their health insurance coverage. “— people off their health insurance coverage. —— 0bamacare. at this moment, we are seeing a rise in interest in single—payer healthcare but who is blocking that the state the democrats. this is why the road to donald trump is not one we can just pin on the rest of us that republican side of the political argument. you have mentioned twice that he is associated with big money

and so want that some of the most greatly admired figures in the united states and europe are extremely wealthy, usually men. you have all gates who was applauded for his efforts in tackling tropical diseases —— bill gates. you have richard branson with whom the rat —— barack 0bama richard branson with whom the rat —— ba rack 0bama holidayed richard branson with whom the rat —— barack 0bama holidayed with reach —— recently. what is the matter if these people have a great deal of money if they use it for the public good? the argument i'd make is that that whole idea that we can outsource the most pressing problems that we face as global citizens, whether it is climate change or infectious diseases, whether it is poverty itself, to, rather than doing this with democracies, with accountability, we are going to hand it over to, as you say, bill gates, richard branson... it over to, as you say, bill gates, richard branson. .. i wasn't it over to, as you say, bill gates, richard branson... i wasn't going -- saying that. you said that bill

gates... i didn't say that. nobody said that bill gates can help fix africa but his efforts need to be a applauded. sellar don't have that robber with charity but at the moment the gates foundation has arguably more power than the world health organization and many people who work within the un system talk about being absolutely stunned by the amount of power wielded by private, unaccountable wealth. this is something i have written about in the past with richard branson and the past with richard branson and the wild claims he has made about how he is going to use his billions from fossil fuel how he is going to use his billions from fossilfuel burning how he is going to use his billions from fossil fuel burning to fix climate change and there is no accountability for that money. are you saying we should do away with philanthropy? tax them at a fair level and use that money democratically to solve problems collectively. that logic created a situation where we acquainted great

wealth with great wisdom. if you make money in software it must mean you know everything about everything, health, agriculture. that created a context for donald trump to save, vote for me, i don't know anything about governing and i have never held public office but i am so have never held public office but i am so rich — this was his pitch... he has surrounded himself with other rich people, he has aged mcmaster, national security advisor. he has outsourced the government to his son—in—law. outsourced the government to his son-in-law. you say he has outsourced half of the government. i have to say he was criticised for not appointing enough people. 5% of 556 federal positions have been filled, which means... they don't believe in government. so many others haven't. he argues against the fact that you say there is a grand, master plan. it could be more. . . grand, master plan. it could be more... steve bannon has been open about the master plan. he said the goal is to deconstruct the

administrative state and that is why they have appointed people to head up they have appointed people to head up government agencies who don't believe in the existence it of those government agencies. this is true for energy, the epa, education, betsy davos doesn't believe in public education. he won't get anything done if he hasn't filled 550 positions. they don't believe in government. there is a grand master plan and that is the same we have lived in for a0 years, which is what reagan said, government isn't the solution, it is the problem. it is margaret thatcher's vision that there is no such thing as this society. donald trump went before the people and said he would protect healthcare and social security and it is finishing the job that reagan and thatcher started. margaret thatcher believed in a community of communities, that society remark. misquoted her. laughter. donald trump has tapped into the zeitgeist. two thirds of american

voters who don't have a degree voted for him. i don't know if it was the zeitgeist. 145 academics and writers issued a statement in support of trump and one was a philosophy professor at the university of texas, he said trump is pro— american, concerned about immigration because of economic effects and about factories closing down. these are not... trump is concerned about donald trump. this is his animating mission in life. it is his animating mission in life. it is to enrich himself and build himself up. anybody who tells themselves otherwise is... you are dismissing a lot of people who voted for him. i am not dismissing all of the people who voted for him. he ran a deeply dishonest campaign at a moment which, as you say, he tapped into the antiestablishment zeitgeist, running against an

extremely establishment candidate with a message that was "all is hell" to which hillary clinton said "all is well" and it isn't well. people are in pain. they need good jobs. they need security. there is a tremendous amount of fear. those who didn't vote for donald trump, the majority of american people, too many were not excited about hillary clinton. she had depressed voter turnout compared with 0bama in 2012. they felt the system had failed them. i believe the democratic party has abandoned workers, notjust white workers, the working class generally and those most vulnerable in the working class in the us are those of colour. so, what they peddled was an entity identity politics mostly about name checking different groups, recognising them, "icu" and not offering improvements in daily life. hillary clinton

oppose their strong campaign for a 15 dollar minimum wage she couldn't get behind it. she said, maybe 12, you know? this is what it means to fight for women's rights, who are overwhelmingly the women who are in those precarious jobs, overwhelmingly the women who are in those precariousjobs, working multiplejobs to pay those precariousjobs, working multiple jobs to pay the bills. those precariousjobs, working multiplejobs to pay the bills. she represents a particular kind of identity politics, a leave in feminism that benefits elites. to go back to the white working class, it is the white male working class who feel neglected who voted for donald trump. professor angus steed and and and cakes, a noble lorry at, they are at princeton university, they have done a great deal of study on the white male working class —— anne cates. they showed that the mortality rate for the poorly educated for white males has soared since 2000 —— nobel laureate. they are more likely to die than black or hispanic males. they are likely to

be at the bottom of the run. that is what i said, they have been perhaps neglected by progressive voices. what i said, they have been perhaps neglected by progressive voicesm everyone. that is where trump spoke to them and they heard him. the solution is not to say, well, for get identity politics, we willjust focus on the white working class. it is to connect the dots. they are not the only ones discarded by this system. it is true that they are the ones who had the highest level of expectation. they had the better jobs, they tended to have those manufacturing jobs that paid enough to support a family, it you know, in the auto sector and so on. so it is untrue that they have suffered the most under these economic policies. in fact the wealth gap between white and black in the united states has widened because since 2008, since the financial crisis, it was 0mer —— overwhelmingly black americans

targeted for sub—prime loans. they have lost an enormous amount of wealth. if you are in the higher pa rt wealth. if you are in the higher part of the economic hierarchy you have further to fall. there is more a sense of betrayal perhaps among those white men that are taking their own lives, whether drugs, suicide and that death by despair study is in the book. so are you not with your arguments now playing into people's fear, uncertainty and doubt, by saying, look what's happening, you know, donald trump could spark a war, for instance, to push up oil prices and that kind of thing. are you not playing into people's fears? people are afraid already. what i am trying to offer isa already. what i am trying to offer is a plan that goes beyond just saying no to trump, resistance to trump, this #in trump, this # in response to trump is the resistance. i think we need to resistance. i think we need to

resist the most dangerous of his policies. we have seen some inspiring resistance in response to the muslim band. we saw the huge women's march on trump's first day on thejob. the problem is even if we resist every one of the attacks we resist every one of the attacks we would still end up in the same place we were when donald trump was elected, and that was the ground that produced donald trump. we have to get to the issues he was able to play on in order to be a elected. jeremy corbyn's campaign shows the power of a bold, forward—looking progressive agenda... the leader of the labour party in the uk. he didn't win the election, did he? he didn't win the election, did he? he did a lot better. he was dozens of seats at less than the conservatives. he did better but he didn't win. he started to do better when they issued their manifesto, which was so bold, which was about healthcare, which was aboutjobs, which was about free education. that

is not about fear. it is the opposite of fear. that is what you wa nt to opposite of fear. that is what you want to promote for the united states ? want to promote for the united states? yes. i think it is the only way of resisting and defeating trumpism. calling for mass protest finally? i don't think they are enough. i think we need vision and protest. we have had a lot of protest. we have had a lot of protest. people get exhausted by only protesting. i think what will keep people in the long haul is a vision for the world they want instead. who has that vision among the leaders in the united states politicians? i am not sure we have seen politicians? i am not sure we have seen exactly who that leader is yet. bernie sanders has part of it, elizabeth warren has part of it, nina turner has part of it — the new head of our revolution, which is the congressional wing of bernie sanders‘s campaign. i also think a social movements have it at the grassroots and that is where i am putting a lot of my hope right now. naomi klein, thank you very much

indeed for coming on hardtalk. thank you. hi, there. the rain came pretty much non—stop across northern england and southern scotland yesterday. the wettest place in cumbria getting over a0 millimetres of rain. you can see how the rain band has been tracking away into the north sea. the rain was all courtesy of this weather front, that will still be with us today in northern england, where it will stay cloudy. to the south, low pressure in the bay of biscay. the winds will increasingly fall light, but will begin to back up and bring warm air from the near continent. notjust warm air, it will become hot and humid in southern england, where temperatures could hit 30.

across the north of scotland a decent start to the day. most of the day will be dry, with plenty of sunshine. it's across southern scotland, northern ireland and northern england it will be a cloudy start and to the east of the pennines, that cloud will be thick enough for occasional spots of patchy, light rain and drizzle. it could be misty over the hills. further southwards, that's where we have lighter winds and increasingly broken cloud. so we should have some sunshine from the word go for many areas across southern wales and southern counties of england, most of the midlands and east anglia. temperatures come up quickly. for the rest of the day, the winds feel light in southern counties of england, allowing temperatures to surge. the cloud across northern england is with us for much of the day, breaking in northern ireland. it will try to brighten up in north—east england. the rain petering out. probably not a lot of sunshine. where cloudy, the temperatures staying into the teens, but look at these temperatures further south. 28 in london. there could be some areas in southern england that hit the 30 degree mark. as we go on through thursday, the only real change is this little low drifting up from biscay,

and with that comes instability. we start to get thunderstorms breaking out across england and wales, and some of those could be torrential. they will be hit and miss in nature. many areas will dodge the downpours and stay dry. it will stay hot and humid and that hot and humid air will push further northwards. so 25 in the greater manchester area. again, we could see highs of 30 degrees further south. on friday, probably the weather becoming drier. again the warm air continues to waft further northwards. so temperatures in newcastle picking up to 21. into the teens for scotland and northern ireland. there'll be a rain band across the north—west, with the wind picking up as we head through the afternoon. the rain is tied in with the low pressure. through the weekend it will push a band of rain further southward and eastwards across much of the country, introducing cooler and fresher air. so by the time we get the sunday, the heat wave is over and temperatures back down to average in london. this is bbc news. i'm chris rogers. our top stories: a threat to american security — the us secretary of state confirms

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