it's four weeks now since the devastating fire which destroyed grenfell tower block in kensington and this programme has discovered that fewer than half the local authority areas with tower blocks wrapped in panels that have failed fire safety tests have started to remove the material. residents have also told us they're asking for new fire exits and sprinkler systems. but where is the money for that going to come from? after g re nfell tower after grenfell tower did not feel safe. i had lots of questions and mine head. i still do not. there is no clarity as to how safe we are. more on that story to come, and in the next few minutes we'll get reaction from residents and politicians. also on the programme. i want to thank you for coming together and being so strong and loving and unified. councillors in manchester are meeting today to discuss giving arianne grande honorary citizenship after she organised that concert to raise funds for victims of the terror attack in the city.

we'll hear from two survivors of the attack with very different views. plus: bands are song writers are being told not to reveal which musicians inspired their latest tracks for fear they'll be done for copyright infringement. it's after this song... music: "blurred lines" by robin thicke ..was found to have copied this one... music: "got to give it up" by marvin gaye. our full exclusive story before 10am. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until iiam. throughout the morning, the latest breaking news and developing stories. and, as always, really keen to hear from you. a little later in the programme we'll hear from a former prostitute who's part of a campaign to ban all prostitution related offences from criminal records. campaigners say at the moment it's too hard for sex workers to move on and find jobs if their records

show they've been convicted for soliciting. are they right? do get in touch. use #victorialive, and if you text you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today. president trump's eldest son has said he didn't tell his father about a meeting last year with a russian lawyer who was apparently offering to help the trump election campaign. yesterday donald trump junior released e—mails which showed he was keen to see what incriminating material the lawyer was prepared to offer on mr trump's election rival, hillary clinton. david willis sent this report. the e—mails feature an exchange between donald trumer and the british publicist rob goldstone. early in the thread, goldstone says that he can broker a meeting with a russian journalist, who says he has damaging information about hillary clinton, information which would be "useful for your father". the e—mail continues. in retrospect,

i probably would have done things differently. again, this is before russiamania. for me this was opposition research, so i wanted to hear it out. nowhere was it apparent that this is what the meeting was about. president trump has been largely silent on the issue, saying only that his son was a high—quality person and that he applauded his transparency. did you tell your father anything about this? no. it was such a nothing. there was nothing to tell. i mean, i wouldn't have even remembered it until you start scouring through the stuff. it was literally a wasted 20 minutes, which was a shame. president trump travels to france today, anxious no doubt to escape the impression that his is an administration under siege. joanna gosling is in the bbc newsroom with a summary

of the rest of the day's news. police investigating the grenfell tower fire say the task of identifying all the people who died in the tragedy could take many months but they are determined to "return those who died to theirfamilies." the head of the recovery team says it's the worst incident he's ever dealt with. today marks four weeks since the devastating fire, and tonight the community will come together for a vigil to honour those who lost their lives, as sarah smith reports. four weeks of grief and shock, of searching for loved ones and searching for answers. police estimate at least 80 people lost their lives. it is the job of the disaster victim identification teams to find any remains. the man leading the job says that it's the worst incident he has ever dealt with. we are looking at a fingertip search of all the flats, all floors. that would involve officers on their hands and knees. i feel passionate about getting those people back to their loved ones. i understand how frustrating it is for people outside of this

environment to sit there and wait and say, why can't i have my family back? surely it's easy. it's not. tonight, in the shadow of grenfell‘s blackened shell, a vigil will be held to remember those who died. one of those who escaped the burning tower is antonio roncolato, woken by his son who saw the flames as he returned home. the smoke was very thick, very horrible smell, obviously. burning, very warm. i said there was no way i could get out there. someone has to rescue me. he would be led to safety by firefighters. the questions over what happened here started before the flames were even out. similar cladding on more than 200 other buildings has since failed safety tests. labour has called for the process to be speeded up, saying the government has been too slow both in helping grenfell residents and making sure other blocks are safe. later today there will be a debate in parliament over the enquiry to be held into the fire. four weeks on and the real business

of finding answers feels as though it is onlyjust getting started. and the victoria derbyshire programme has found that fewer than half the local authorities with tower blocks wrapped in panels that have failed fire safety tests have started to remove the material. following the grenfell fire the government said it planned to carry out fire safety tests on 600 buildings across england. but despite every test on material taken from those buildings failing, so far only one in three housing associations and councils have started removing cladding. political parties must do more to prepare candidates for the ruthless nature of campaigning, according to a new report. a parliamentary cross—party group made the recommendation in a report documenting the scale of abuse and intimidation of parliamentary candidates during the general election. 0ne mp suffered an anti—semitic attack and another was targeted by racist graffiti and repeated death threats. the report will be debated

by mps this afternoon. the national audit office has criticised the government's handling of a new electronic tagging system for offenders in england and wales after the costly project fell behind schedule. so far, the ministry ofjustice has spent £60 million on the system, which has fallen five years behind schedule. the ministry's ambition for a bespoke world—leading combined gps and radio frequency tag proved unachievable. and the programme was also beset by problems in the ministry's management of it. lloyds banking group, which has more than 20 million customers, is scrapping all fees and charges for overd rafts that haven't been agreed. last year, the consumer group which called for a crackdown on unarranged overdraft charges after it found that they could be higher than a payday loan. a charity says every household in the uk should get a one—off rebate of £285 on its energy bills, because providers have been

making excessive profits at the expense of its customers. citizens advice says the regulator 0fgem allowed companies to charge too much and overestimated their costs. but 0fgem and energy providers are disputing the claim, as our personal finance correspondent reports. a quarter of our bills is made up of the cost of transporting electricity and gas, a job done by the national grid and various local network companies who, because this is a monopoly, have their charges vetted and approved for eight year periods. citizens advice estimates that in the current eight years, which we are halfway through, the network companies stand to make £7.5 billion of excess profits, hence the demand for a rebate of £285 per household, the money to be returned through lower bills. 0fgem have overestimated the cost of investment and borrowing. for example, interest rates haven't been as high as they expected. they've also allowed the companies to earn money at the rate that a much riskier company would be able to do and they have not been

tough enough with the companies on sharing the benefits of any efficiency savings they've made. 0fgem says the cost of getting our gas and electricity to us has been going down and it's already secured rebates. but it's launching a review today of how it sets prices in future. the network companies reject the calculations made by citizens advice and point to huge amounts of money they need to invest. simon gompertz, bbc news. this programme has learned that artists are being advised not to state publicly who they're inspired by because of fears it could lead to lawsuits for copyright infringement. it follows the high—profile case in which usjurors ruled that robin thicke and pharrell williams had copied a marvin gaye song. this has led to fears that the music industry could become "creatively stifled". anthony on facebook says, 80s music

is, was, the best overall. the proof of this is in the number of songs that include samples or are based on 80s songs. most of not all of these will have obtained authorisation but there are many new sells that cause they be the cause of old songs and tunes and infringe copyright. does this stay for new music? no. that is the cost of sampling. due to the greed of the music industry rather than the musicians. even says yes, copyright laws stifle creativity. we have a really interesting film about that just before 9:30am. let's get the latest sports headlines with leah, and it's all about wimbledon today, isn't it, leah? yes. konta is one match away from the final. she beat her romanian

opponent 2—i. the final. she beat her romanian opponent 2—1. it came with the controversial match point where a scream from someone controversial match point where a scream from someone in the crowd seemed to put them both of. konta was watched by virginia wade who won the tournament in the year of the queen's silverjubilee. konta will ta ke queen's silverjubilee. konta will take on venus williams on thursday. andy murray will be looking to do the same later than his quarterfinal on centre court. he takes on his american opponent and he thinks that his opponent will be a challenging opponent. his brotherjamie and martina hingis are through to the last eight of the mixed doubles after winning in straight sets. the match was stopped twice because of rain but they won in an hour and ii minutes. these two are brilliant. they are brothers and wild cards in the men's doubles and becoming one

of the unlikely success stories of the tournament. they are through to the tournament. they are through to the quarterfinals but did not expect to last two weeks because they only got their hotel for a week. they are liverpool fans and have sorted somewhere to stay, a hotel next to sta mford somewhere to stay, a hotel next to stamford bridge. we will have more at 9:30am live from wimbledon. it was exactly four weeks ago that fire broke out at grenfell tower in north kensington, and this programme has discovered that fewer than half the local authority areas with tower blocks wrapped in panels that have failed fire safety tests have started to remove the material. today the labour party describes the fire safety checks as "in chaos". meanwhile, a consultation period on the terms of reference for the public inquiry into the fire has been extended by two weeks. many of those affected by the fire have expressed concern that the scope of the inquiry, to be chaired by sir martin moore—bick, will not be broad enough. mps will debate the inquiry in parliament today. we'll get reaction from various guests in a moment but first here's how this programme has covered the story over the last four weeks. i've seen some things but today

i can't even describe it. there's mothers that have come out and lost their children. there are firefighters that have come out injured. there was smoke everywhere, literally everywhere. there was people downstairs, there was bits of the cladding falling off the block that was on fire. people screaming. there's people who were jumping out the place. there's a man who threw two of his children. come on, man. wow. we saw a lot. we saw a lot, man. we saw a lot with our own eyes. we saw friends, families... honestly, it's all right, you don't have to say any more. i looked behind me and i

didn't see my brother. i said, "my brother, my brother, where is he?" then i went outside, i called him, and i said, "where are you?" he said, "i'm in the flat." i said, "why you didn't come?" "they brought us outside." "i thought you were with us." he said, "no one brought me outside." he said, "why you left me?" he said, "why i didn't leave?" music: "don't cry" by seal. # don't be so hard on yourself # i hear your voice on the phone # i hear you feel so alone

# my baby # please, my baby # my baby #. we are angry, i'm not going to lie. locals are angry. this could have been prevented. lives didn't need to be lost and they're lost and people are looking for their children

and it's so unfair. it's really unfair. this shouldn't have happened. it's 2017. today we're back here in north kensington to catch up with some of those we first met on that first wednesday to bring you more remarkable stories of those who escaped and to find out how people are doing. check your moral compass. check it and forget your label of mp, human. yes. what does a human basically need? then you will go forward. then you will gain the respect and understanding of these people. applause the housing minister, i'm told, is here. and his name is alok sharma and he has agreed to be with us today after after pressure from residents.

so i know you have questions for him. i think he's here. alok sharma, hello. hi, i'm victoria. take a seat. thank you very much for giving us your time today. why is it ok that there are thousands of empty homes right in this area and these people are homeless? i was happy in my house. i work hard. i had a good house. listen, don't give me any rubbish and think i'm going to accept it because i'm not going to accept it. 0lu does not want temporary accommodation. he wants permanent accommodation. he wants good permanent accommodation. that is not too much to ask. can you promise him that? victoria, so, what we have said is that... just say yes or no. exactly. can you please be specific as to what package you are offering in terms of housing or rehousing the residents back into this borough? and be specific about it, please, without the flowery words. and can we just get him to speak, otherwise there's no commitment he's making. let him do that. let the minister speak so we hear what he's committing to us.

please let us know what your commitments are. so, what we have committed to is anyone whose home has been destroyed will be housed by next wednesday in good accommodation and then we will work with — and in housing that is acceptable to them — so what we're not going to do is you are offered a home, you don't like it, and you are still asked to go in. that is not going to happen. would you like to meet with the minister again to say anything? we will be meeting the minister again. and what will you say? what will i say? i'll say the same thing i said when i met him. these are our needs, this is how you can accommodate for us. we do not need you to throw us in temporary accommodation. we do not need you to put me and my family in a hotel. these are our needs. meet our needs orjust tell us the truth that you cannot meet our needs. it's simple. if you can't meet the requirements, it's simple. just tell us the truth. just be straight. just be straight, just tell us the truth. if you can't do it, tell us the truth. just this morning police everest

footage of officers from the victim identification group entering g re nfell tower. commander stuart cundy, the officer

leading the investigation has said police are determined to do all we can to return those who died to theirfamilies as can to return those who died to their families as soon as we can. this is a statement released four weeks on from the terrible tragedy. met police sergeant alastair hutchinson is the officer leading on identifying victims. we believe in dignity in death, repatriating family members as soon as we can and adhering to an identification process that will ensure that the right person gets brought back to their loved ones. we can speak now to moyra samuels from the justice for grenfell group, pilgrim tucker, a community organiser, who supported grenfell tower residents' campaign, the grenfell action group, melanie 0nn, labour's spokesperson on housing, and lucy masoud, a chelsea firefighter and union official. moira, let me ask you, your

assessment, if you like, of where the survivors and residents are four weeks on? i think, the survivors and residents are four weeks on? ithink, as the survivors and residents are four weeks on? i think, as people have indicated, there are still a lot of disorganisation. we have only had 18 families that have been rehoused. you know, a survivor i spoke to said they had been made an offer that was withdrawn. i think people still feel the system is still a little bit disjointed, and their needs are not really being met. is that fair, pilgrim? you were nodding in agreement. i would echo that completely but i would say not a little bit, iwould completely but i would say not a little bit, i would say there are still a total failure continuing. have there been no improvements? very minor improvements, but these residents and survivors are daily being faced with an onslaught of queues, asjoe being faced with an onslaught of queues, as joe mentioned being faced with an onslaught of queues, asjoe mentioned earlier in the film, terrible decisions they

have to make, chopping and changing with a public enquiry. and very, very difficult problems with their housing, and still actually incompetence, and an inability of whoever is in authority to put themselves in the shoes of these people and actually approached them ina caring people and actually approached them in a caring manner, which will help them. and use the resources that the council have. this is the wealthiest council have. this is the wealthiest council in the whole of the uk, and they can afford to house these people properly and securely. you mean by using some of the reserves that the council have the buy new properties? yes. 300 million reserve , properties? yes. 300 million reserve, they have 11100 empty properties in kensington and chelsea. requisitioning. do what you need to do, buy them. you can't have a month after a fire of this nature with only 18 families have been rehoused. as i understand it, offers of accommodation have been made to

158 families, 18 have accepted, and we have reported on this programme some of the reasons why others have turned it down, because they are worried about getting something permanent within the borough if they have been offered something temporary outside, or it is just inappropriate, unsuitable, not big enough, orfar away. inappropriate, unsuitable, not big enough, or far away. let inappropriate, unsuitable, not big enough, orfaraway. let me inappropriate, unsuitable, not big enough, orfar away. let me ask inappropriate, unsuitable, not big enough, or far away. let me ask you, melanie, labour's spokesman on housing, you have this debate in the commons today, what is the point of it? it is about putting pressure on the government to be as open and transparent as possible about the progress they are making if there has been any, because without doing that the residents are not going to start to see any of the benefits that the government really should be able to offer. we are hoping that there will be answers around the status of the tower blocks around the rest of the country because we know that only 500 have been tested. the focus of the government has been on those tower blocks that have the same kind of cladding is the g re nfell tower, same kind of cladding is the grenfell tower, but there are much bigger questions. if there were to

bea bigger questions. if there were to be a fire and another block somewhere in the country, what with the response be? would it be the same situation all over again, because it is really important that we lose that —— learn the lessons of g re nfell we lose that —— learn the lessons of grenfell and quickly. we have discovered that the tower blocks that have failed, only half of the blocks have yet had those panels removed. do you think it could be speeded up? we are saying that a lot of the information coming from government has been so unclear, and thatis government has been so unclear, and that is reflected in the comments of residents from grenfell. we know that salford council for examples courted its deep cladding of its tower blocks because of information coming from government about safety has not been clear. is it safer to keep the cladding on or not? —— kensington and chelsea council has a new leader. it is elizabeth campbell, and she was asked on radio 4 campbell, and she was asked on radio [iif

campbell, and she was asked on radio 4 if she had ever been inside g re nfell tower. 4 if she had ever been inside grenfell tower. this is what she said. had you ever been inside? i am going before. before the fire? i haven't been inside before the fire? had you ever been inside the traffic tower? not trailer, not grenfell, but i have been inside many other council houses. but the high-rise ones, have you ever been inside any of them, before the grenfell tower, haven't you ever been up into any of those high—rise council blocks?|j had not, buti those high—rise council blocks?|j had not, but i am certainly doing that now. you are shaking your head. it isa that now. you are shaking your head. it is a person so disconnected. they are completely disconnected from the community. i would go so far as to say they actually have disdain for

the north kensington community. this new leader, the first thing she did was apologise for the failings of the council to the survivors. too little, too late, sorry, and she has been implicated in a lot of the cuts we have seen been implicated in a lot of the cuts we have seen across been implicated in a lot of the cuts we have seen across the borough. we have been talking about the cuts to services. housing being one of them. and she is implicated in them. how do you react, pilgrim? again, i think moyra is correct in everything she hasjust said. i think the new council leader has an opportunity here, andl council leader has an opportunity here, and i think if she wants to la st here, and i think if she wants to last in her political career, she needs to take drastic action, and they do have the resources to help this situation, and they can rehoused these people, and that would be one way of genuinely showing that she was sorry. so action, notjust words. lucy, hello, chelsea firefighter and union official. in terms of the

firefighters and the magnificent effo rts firefighters and the magnificent efforts they tried to make that night, where are we now, in terms of when you look back, how things could have been done differently? firstly i would like to pay tribute to my firefighters who fought tirelessly on that day, the brave men and women but also the control workers who took those calls from those victims, and in many cases heard people perish on the end of the phone. i would like to pay tribute to them. i think everyone involved, including all the emergency services, dealt with the incident amazingly, but i do feel that we didn't have the right resources. of course it is far too early to speculate. my union are doing the own investigation into the fire. certainly we feel that the cuts that have affected us over the la st cuts that have affected us over the last three years, we are talking about £130 million to london fire emergency and rescue services by the former mayor, now foreign secretary, borisjohnson, the closure of ten

fire station, 29 fire stations —— fire station, 29 fire stations —— fire engines taken off—line, the removal of 20,000 firefighters, we think that had an effect. you also didn't have an aerial platform that went high enough, you had one that went high enough, you had one that went up to 32 metres, the tower was 70. you are right, the highest ladder in london is 32 metres, the higher slider in the uk is in surrey, 42 metres, we have to ask for them to send their ladder, it took hours for it to get us. again it is too early to speculate what difference that would have made, but we know for instance there is a fire engine ora fire we know for instance there is a fire engine or a fire station in mumbai that has a ladder that goes up to 90 metres. why does the uk, the 13th richest country in the world, not have ladders go up to 90 metres, where they are available? why do you think? i think our former mayor spent far too much money, £320,000

on illegal water cannons that were useless and not used. did we used to have big aerial platforms? the money has never been put in. so we have never had one is over 42? absolutely not, and they have been available to sometimes, there are over 100 ladders that reach up to 90 metres, are —— ladders that reach up to 90 metres, are “ our ladders that reach up to 90 metres, are —— our highest ladder in london goes up to 32 metres. jenny tweets this, i cannot believe the complete disregard for the victims of grenfell. e—mailfrom disregard for the victims of grenfell. e—mail from douglas, disregard for the victims of grenfell. e—mailfrom douglas, it is a time to start asking why flammable material is allowed to be manufactured from building purposes at all. roses as your programme has done more than any other to give voices to the people of grenfell tower, and so it goes on. thank you all of you, we will watch the debate very carefully this afternoon in the commons. thank you for coming along. it is half past nine. time for the latest news headlines withjoanna.

here's joanna gosling in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. president trump's eldest son has said he didn't tell his father about a meeting last year with a russian lawyer who was apparently offering to help the trump election campaign. yesterday donald trump junior released e—mails which showed he was keen to see what incriminating material the lawyer was prepared to offer on mr trump's election rival, hillary clinton. police investigating the grenfell tower fire say the task of identifying all the people who died in the tragedy could take many months but they are determined to "return those who died to theirfamilies." the head of the recovery team says it's the worst incident he's ever dealt with. today marks four weeks since the devastating fire, and tonight the community will come together for a vigil to honour those who lost their lives. and the victoria derbyshire programme has found that fewer than half the local authorities with tower blocks wrapped in panels that have failed fire safety tests have started to remove the material. following the grenfell fire the government said it planned to carry out fire safety tests on 600 buildings across england.

but despite every test on material taken from those buildings failing, so far only one in three housing associations and councils have started removing cladding. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. more at 10am. johanna konta is the semi—finals and andy murray is hoping to make it this afternoon. 0ur reporter is there. it is freezing. we are causing chaos. we wanted to show you the royal box. this is where might the great and the good come. they have to make it really tidy and clean. they have left behind a little bit of equipment. maybe i will get to work with that later. it is freezing. i am sure that it should warm up. it has been raining during the night. the forecast is good. we

are going to keep ourfingers crossed. it is chilly but i am joined by someone you might recognise. serena williams‘ coach. even though your face. we see you in the box when serena is playing and you are willing heart on, maybe sometimes showed encouragement. sometimes. sometimes cool and not seeing anything. i've tried to send to hire the right vibe. you have a little bit of downtime, not that much because the rear is still keeping fit and playing. she is of having a baby, due in a couple of months. you have taken the opportunity to write your life story and how you came to be coached to one of the greatest athletes of all time. yes. i wrote a book because my editor proposed me to do it, an autobiography. ifelt

editor proposed me to do it, an autobiography. i felt i was too young but she filed i was old enough. it is explaining how i was a very shy kid, very sick, very bad at school, my future looked terrible and ata school, my future looked terrible and at a certain point when i was 11,12,13, itook and at a certain point when i was 11, 12, 13, itook decisions and at a certain point when i was 11,12,13, i took decisions to change my life and maybe in the future have the chance to live the life i was dreaming of and it happened because i made those changes. my editor vertebra is undressing for people to understand how you can change your life to have a chance to live your dreams. that is what i did. i started at 26 my academy and it is the biggest academy and it is the biggest academy of europe. i was not a professional tennis player and i was able to work with professional tennis players, great players, and finally serena, who became the greatest of all time. i cannot be

lucky to be able to live that life. it is also the consequence of a few decisions. that is the story of the book. it is exciting even for people who are not into tennis because it is also about life. it is also about coaching. we see players compete, we lose all this emotion. people do not know what is done behind—the—scenes. that is what i explain. let me make use of your coaching experience and ask whatjohanna konta should be focusing on. the first british woman through to a semifinal in 39 years. i understand why you keep your eyes on that. it is going to be difficult match for her because she is facing venus is the best the four players still in the draw on grass. she has been so successful in the last 15, 20 years. five trophies here and the

mike otherfinals. she played 20 years. five trophies here and the mike other finals. she played the final of the first grand slam of the season. johanna konta will have to beat her. i am so impressed by what she has done so far. so focused, so good on the big points. whenever she had to defend her serve she has been doing incredibly well. she has been really impressive. she has to be tired physically and mentally. so many tough fights. when you have to stay into the match for two and a half hours and you cannot afford to lose your server, you defend points, you play two tie—breaks, she left a lot of mental strength on all of those fights she had to face. i hope she will be able to keep the same level of intensity for every point because she will have to. how battle

is mental. andy murray‘s battle is more physical and with himself, managing an injury. that is true. it is so difficult to play being injured. it is sad because he finally comes back to a good level just before wimbledon at the right time after making an enormous effort to become world number one in the world, physical and mental. to become world number one in the world, physicaland mental. iwas very impressed with what he did last year. when you make such an effort you year. when you make such an effort y°u pay year. when you make such an effort you pay the price afterwards that is what happened at the start of the season, he was exhausted mentally. he reached his ultimate goal. when you do so you need time to be said. it isa you do so you need time to be said. it is a difficult period. he is back and he has a problem with his hip. he has been managing that not so bad. when you reach this stage you have to be 100%. how is serena? when

can we see her back? she wants to be back so bad. she is seven months pregnant. she is so happy about becoming a mother but she misses matches. she is unable to compete and she is wanting other bee book on beating. when she announced she was pregnant she said i am pregnant but iam not pregnant she said i am pregnant but i am not done with tennis. please wait for me. i will be back soon. i will be waiting for her. she wants to come back as early as she can. we do not know how long it will take for her body to recover but you will see her again definitely. thank you for joining see her again definitely. thank you forjoining us. serena taking a very unusual approach to maternity leave. i thought you were supposed to sit on your silver and eat somebody‘s and chocolate. she does, but she plays tennis every day. that is unusual. it is good to know that the

emergency alarm is working perfectly! unemployment fell by 64,000 down to 1.49 million in the three months to me. average earnings increased by 1.8% in the year to may, down by 0.3% on the previous month, average earnings increasing across the whole year by 1.8% but thatis across the whole year by 1.8% but that is down by 0.3% on the previous month. a gay man fighting to win his husband the same pension rights

a wife would enjoy in a heterosexual relationship has told this programme he felt the law was "totally discriminatory". former cavalry officerjohn walker, who‘s 65, will find out the result of his battle at the uk‘s highest court in the next few minutes. he wants to ensure that if he died first, his husband, who is in his 50s, will be adequately provided for. speaking to me before the ruling, he said the decision would be "the end of the legal road" for him after an 11 year fight. ijoined a i joined a company ijoined a company where i had to join the pension fund, it was contributed a, i paid and 423 years the same as other colleagues. the fa ct i the same as other colleagues. the fact i had a civil partnership and married a same—sex partner, my partner will get no disposal pension rights whereas if i was divorced, to divorce my partner and marry a woman she would get full rights, thousands of pounds. it is total discrimination. in cash terms, if you died and had the wife, how much would she get and how much would your husband get? she would get

somewhere between £45,000 and £50,000 a yearand somewhere between £45,000 and £50,000 a year and my husband would get somewhere between £500 in £1000 a year. explain the law. we have human rights law and equality law and we have equal marriage but we only have equal married in name because there is this loophole in the quality legislation which means that people in same—sex marriages cannot have the same pension rights as people in heterosexual marriages. it is civil partnerships as well. correct. in the past this has gone against you. if things go your way today what are the implications for others? it means that thousands of loving couples all over the uk can have equal access to pension arrangements and equal marriage looks more like equal marriage and we can properly claim to be an equal

and human rights compliant society so we and human rights compliant society so we hope that is what happens and evenif so we hope that is what happens and even if we do not win the case the couple —— government can do the right thing. you have been fighting this case for 11 years. what has that been like? stressful. but life goes on. the end of the legal road today. 11.5 years. it is a big day. how have you been affected in terms of your life as a couple? how has this impacted on you both? we have tried not to let it impact too much. we have had huge support from martha and her colleagues, from many friends and people from our company. it is stressful because i am a reasonably organised person, i‘d like to plan things and have things planned, it is likely statistically that i will predeceased my husband,

iam that i will predeceased my husband, i am older than him, so i would like to have everything tied up. maybe today will be able to do that, maybe not. thank you. we are expecting the judgment any moment. as soon as we hear it we will bring it to you live. this programme has learned that artists are being advised not to state publicly who they‘re inspired by on their new music because of fears it could lead to lawsuits for copyright infringement. it follows the high—profile case in which usjurors ruled that robin thicke and pharrell williams, on their track blurred lines, had copied marvin gaye‘s got to give it up. an appeal against that ruling is due to be heard over the next few months. 0ur reporter chi chi izundu has been looking at claims that that judgement has left the music industry "nervous" and "creatively stifled". music: blurred lines by robin thicke ft ti, pharrell # blurred lines # i know you want it #.

this is the story of two songs and one courtjudgment and its impact on the new music you get to hear. i think it was decided in a way that has got everybody feeling a bit nervous. write better music then. i don't know. i hate all this, "oh, i‘m completely original," you know, "i‘ve never got an idea from anyone else." liar. because some are now asking whether they should stop even talking about artists who inspire them. so do you know of labels telling artists not to publicly state who they‘re inspired by? yes. and are you allowed to say? no. 0k, fine. so, what is the difference, if any, between being inspired by a song or copying it? got to give it up by

marvin gaye was released in 1977 and reached number seven in the uk charts and number one on the us billboard chart. blurred lines was globally the biggest track of 2013, raking in more than £12 million in profits from sales alone. in 2015 pharrell williams and robin thicke were told their track blurred lines breached copyright. marvin gaye‘s estate was awarded just over £4 million and 50% interest in future royalties. now, here‘s the problem. pharrell williams told the court that marvin gaye‘s music was the soundtrack of his youth and that he was channelling that 70s feeling. note the use of the word feeling in this deposition video which was part of the proceedings. when you were creating blurred lines, were you trying to pretend that you were marvin gaye?

at that particular time, no. but as i look back i feel that feeling when i went in the studio to work with robin i sought out a bluegrassy chord structure that i felt like could be interesting on a soulful voice. it felt like marvin gaye going into nashville making a groove. what you try and do with copyright is work out if there has been copying. peter 0xendale is one of a handful of forensic musicologists in the world and he says the judgment was about the feel or the groove of the song, not copying directly, and it‘s had huge implications. so it‘s notjust a group of notes or a lyric that‘s copied, or a composition structure. it‘sjust, maybe i was inspired by your watch, basically? simply nothing's really changed but everyone's concerned that inspiration can be a catalyst for infringement. and so all of these companies are worried that if a track is referenced on another at

all that there may be a claim being brought, and what they are really fearful of is a claim being brought in los angeles and california. over in california, richard busch, the gayes‘ family lawyer, says that‘s not true. that is the story that the pharrell and robin thicke camp have been telling to try to drum up support for this the—sky—is—falling, no—one‘s—going—to—be—able—to—create— music, you‘ll—be—sued—for—whistling—in—pub— lic kind of argument they‘ve been making. and it‘s just not true. if anyone was actually aware of the evidence and the facts that were presented, you would know that it went far beyond that. this inspiration, this feeling that they try to say was the basis for the decision. in fact, i believe we had 15 different compositional elements that we identified as being substantially similar between blurred lines and got to give it up. well, maybe pharrell‘s camp are winning in the courts of public

opinion, because questions and doubts are still being raised in the industry, as ed sheeran‘s lawyer simon dixon can confirm. it wouldn't have been decided the same way over here, so as a result i think everybody felt that they knew what the law was, i felt they knew what the parameters were. and when you know what the laws are and the rules are you feel very comfortable. this injects an element of grey into the picture. so as a result people are less certain now about what they can and can't do, and as a result, as i say, everybody feels a bit more nervous. so those are the behind—the—scenes arguments but what about the artists who write, compose, produce and perform the music? we‘re all inspired by something, there‘s influence in everything. but ijust think the responsibility of the songwriter is always to push forward, which always involves nodding back, which is important too. but i think if you‘re feeling

self—conscious about that i think there‘s another battle going on there... do something else! music: get lucky by daft punk # we‘re up all night to get lucky # there is no such thing as a completely original composition. we learn music by practising, and what do we practise? we practise patterns, we practise scales. we're reinterpreting these formulas over and overagain. you know, if i play a song that goes doo—doo doo—doo, i'm playing doo—doo—doo—doo, doo—doo—doo—doo, doo—doo—doo—doo. the art of music—making is the reinterpretation of the rules that we learn. music: cars — gary numan # here in my car # i can only receive # i can listen to you # we all listen to stuff and we all get ideas from the things that we listen to.

the trick of it, i think, is trying to turn those ideas into something new, rather than just repeat them or copy them. but every fire starts with a spark. every song starts with... i mean, i know how to write songs because i heard one, so i know what a verse is and a chorus is and a break and all those things. you only learn that by listening to it. so you are influenced simply by listening to music. even if you don‘t like the music, it‘s going to have some impact on what you do. and according to experts, just to be on the safe side, labels are cautiously making sure new music from their artists doesn‘t skirt too closely to work from the past. the process is known as forensically checking music. many of the companies that i work with ask the producers and the artists to declare all of the tracks that may have been used as inspiration for their new tracks. they send them to me well in advance of release, probably six months or something like that.

last summer more than 200 artists, producers and composers, from hans zimmer to r kelly, signed a court document backing blurred lines saying if the verdict was allowed to stand it is very dangerous to the music community and is certain to stifle creativity and impede the creative process. but the battle lines were drawn when musicologists and acts behind hits like could it be i‘m falling in love, along with other businesses, backed the marvin gaye family calling the motion hypothetical, because the decision was based on disputed evidence about protectable aspects of a particular piece of music. i think it‘s a great shame because, speaking personally, i‘ve been influenced by motown, rock and roll, punk, all this stuff, 90s music, dance music, and if i am a good musician, i hope i am, or musicologist, because of all these influences taken on board, i‘m proud of these influences and it‘s a great shame that artists are actually disinclined to reveal their inspirations.

in the blurred lines case, robin thicke's interviews went well beyond saying that he was simply inspired by got to give it up. what he said in his interviews was that he and pharrell, or he directed pharrell, to create a song just like got to give it up, and that they tried to get the same rhythm and those types of things going in creating blurred lines. so it's much more thanjust inspiration. injust over two months, pharrell williams, robin thicke and the marvin gaye estate will be back in court in the appeals process of this very case. if pharrell wins, it could mean a brand—new trial and the music industry has to go through this whole thing again. whatever the verdict, it does seem that the industry will be extremely wary about copyright, as well as creativity, when it comes to releasing new music. later in the programme, we‘ll be getting reaction from songwriters to this.

coming up... she organised the concert that raised £2 million for victims of the terror attack in manchester, but should singer ariana grande be given honorary citizenship of the city? we‘ll talk to two survivors with very different opinions. another little bit of history was made at wimbledon yesterday whenjohanna konta became britain‘s first female wimbledon semi—finalist since virginia wade almost 40 years ago in 1978. applause and cheering oh my god. she stopped playing. what a shame. that's too bad. i don't know why she stopped. it‘s over. british tennis history is made. it‘s been 39 years since a british woman can say, i‘m a wimbledon semifinalist. she‘s done it in front of the last woman to do it, virginia wade. it raises the very

tantalising prospect that a brit could win both the women‘s and men‘s title at wimbledon this year. not to forget a potential third title for andy‘s brother jamie murray who is progressing well in the mixed doubles. johanna konta‘s rise to the top of british tennis has been seriously impressive. last year she didn‘t get past the second round of wimbledon. so for the next few minutes, here‘s everything you need to know about her. she‘s 26. in 2009, she was ranked 469 in the world. two years ago in 2015, she was ranked 126 in the world, last year she was ranked 19th, and now she‘s officially ranked seventh in the world.

though that will change after wimbledon. in the past 12 months she‘s won titles in los angeles, sydney and miami. she was born to hungarian parents in sydney, australia, and lived there till the age of 14 when she move to the uk, she officially took british citizenship and began playing for the uk five years ago in 2012. she lives in eastbourne. well, this is my home. i‘ve always, ever since i moved here, i‘ve spent my formative years here. i really, essentially, grew into the tennis player but also, more importantly, the person i am today here. so i come home here. it was never a case of me feeling more and more british. i‘ve always felt that this is home. she was introduced to tennis at the age of eight and soon became fiercely competitive. she has described herself as highly strung in the past, and acknowledges that she once reduce the assisted the

tea rs she once reduce the assisted the tears during a game of monopoly. the family are not particularly sporty, her dad runs hotels and her mum is a dentist but they have always supported her in her career. one of her grandfathers, tamas kertesz, played twice for hungary in the 19505 and went on to coach ghana. she‘s coached by wim fissette, who has previously helped former world no 1s victoria azarenka and kim clijsters. her boyfriend jackson wade has been cheering her on from the players‘ box. they‘ve been dating since she won the miami 0pen — thought she‘s fiercely private about her private life. she lists movies, reading and shopping among things she likes to do in her spare time she‘s also a huge fan of van morrison and u2, saying she‘s remortage her house for a chance to see bono and co. last year she went to see taylor swift in hyde park the saturday before wimbledon. she keeps a relatively low profile and is fairly unshowy compared to other tennis stars —

admitting she‘s not too keen on the limelight. she has however been able to ditch her old peugeot hatchback for a fancy red jaguar, given to her by her sponsor. you‘ve no doubt heard plenty aboutjohanna konta baking muffins every day after wimbledon — she‘s a bit of a foodie overall and says she‘s "always hungry" — but never deprives herself of anything, including pizza and gelato. a typical day‘s diet would be — for breakfast — porridge with honey and blueberries; and a slice of rye toast with ham....then for lunch — tuna salad, and a bowl of steamed brown rice...and for dinner — pizza with ham and mushrooms and a salad....with snacks of bananas and blueberry and raspberry chia pudding. justin sherring is owner and head coach at weybridge tennis academy and coached johanna konta in her teens what was she like then? very much like you see her now, very bubbly, very enthusiastic, very passionate and very focused. did she say to you back then i want to win wimbledon?”

don‘t think she did, but if she did she might have said it with a big tongue in her cheek, but as we have seen over tongue in her cheek, but as we have seen over the last couple of years, she means business, and she meant business back on the day when she was training very hard for this moment. did you see potential in her the winning a grand slam title?” saw potential as someone who could play at a very high level. i didn‘t know whether that level was grand slam semifinalist or wimbledon winner potentially. but i knew that she could play at a very high level. she had some very special. do you think she will win at this time, don‘t say you hope she is. the title. i think she can win the title, let‘s just say, title. i think she can win the title, let‘sjust say, she is hitting the ball well enough and she plays like she has i think she can do it, yes. thank you rematch,

justin. the latest news and sport on the way, before that all of the weather forward modern and the rest of the uk. much improved conditions across the country much improved conditions across the cou ntry after much improved conditions across the country after all the cloud and outbreaks of heavy rain across the south—east. conditions will continue to improve and it becomes largely dry with plenty in the way of sunshine developing as we head to the afternoon, that rain clearing the afternoon, that rain clearing the kent and sussex coast, allowing the kent and sussex coast, allowing the sunshine through the southern counties, and across the country with light winds, feeling quite pleasa nt with light winds, feeling quite pleasant in the sunshine, temperatures widely reaching the high teens and the low 20s. so for one wouldn‘t conditions will be fine proved why the afternoon commute can swa p proved why the afternoon commute can swap the umbrella for some sunscreen as we are expecting some sunshine, dry conditions and temperatures reaching up to 22. we continue with fine weather as we head into the evening, high there with us, long clear spells overnight and turning quite chilly, especially for some sheltered rural glens. tomorrow, kauto star, sunshine around but also

scattered showers developing, but the bulk of those showers for northern ireland and north—western parts of scotland. temperatures still reaching the high teens and low 20s. that is your forecast. it is wednesday, ten o‘clock, i am victoria derbyshire. hello, it‘s wednesday, it‘s 10am, i‘m victoria derbyshire. the community of the grenfell tower fire have said they are struggling. i had not been inside before the fire. i have been inside many other council houses. the council are completely disconnected from the community. they have disdain for the north —— north kensington community.

plus this programme has discovered that fewer than half the local authority areas with tower blocks that have failed safety tests have started to remove the cladding. i have lots of questions in my head andi i have lots of questions in my head and i still do not. there is still no clarity as to how safe we are. more on that story to come. she helped raise £2 million for the victims of the fire but bush —— of the terror attack in manchester but should she be made an honorary citizen of the city? artists are being encouraged not to reveal who has inspired them for fear that they will be done with copyright infringement. this index grain to

the picture so people are less certain about what they can and cannot do. we will talk to the lead singer of star sailor about how this issue affects his work. john walker, we heard from him in the last half hour, has won back his supreme court battle to secure his husband the same pension rights a wife would enjoy. the ex—cavalry officer, 65, has won back his 11 year long legal battle to secure his husband the same pension rights a wife would enjoy. we can talk to our legal correspondent at the supreme court. incredible news forjohn walker. fill us in. incredible news forjohn walker and his spouse but also great news for spouses in

same—sex marriages and civil partners because this was about... john walker had an issue... he had worked for a company for 23 years, starting around 1980 and ending in 2003, and at the time he saw... civil partnerships were not lawful and neither were same—sex partnerships. same—sex marriages became lawful in 2005 and shortly after he and his partner entered the civil partnership and are married. he wanted his partner to have the security of knowing that when mr walker died his spouse would be entitled to the full pension. they relied on an exemption that said the company could discount the years of service of paying into the pension

that predated the coming into force of civil partnerships so anything before december 2005 needing ended effectively be discounted. that made a massive difference to his partner and would‘ve meant that upon mr walker‘s death the pension his partner would of got would have been around £1000 as opposed to £46,000. a massive difference. the supreme court has ruled that that cuts out in the equality act, that exemption that allows those benefits that accrued before 2005 to be disregarded, that contravenes ideas in breach of eu law and that cutout, that exemption, as to be death applied. in all cases. that will allow his partner to get

the full pension of £46,000 per annum. this has huge implications because thejudge is not limited annum. this has huge implications because the judge is not limited to this case, this applies generally to same—sex marriages and civil partnerships across the board, and thatis partnerships across the board, and that is huge. thank you. as soon as john walker comes out of the building, we will hopefully talk to him live about this news which she has been fighting force for 11 yea rs, has been fighting force for 11 years, he has been —— he was telling us years, he has been —— he was telling us earlier. good morning. here‘s joanna gosling in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today‘s news. donald trumpjunior has said he didn‘t tell his father about a meeting he had with a russian lawyer during last year‘s us election campaign because there was nothing to tell. yesterday he released emails which showed he was keen to see what incriminating material the lawyer was prepared to offer on his father‘s rival, hillary clinton. police investigating the grenfell tower fire say the task of identifying all the people

who died in the tragedy could take many months but they are determined to "return those who died to theirfamilies." the head of the recovery team says it‘s the worst incident he‘s ever dealt with. today marks four weeks since the devastating fire, and tonight the community will come together for a vigil to honour those who lost their lives. and the victoria derbyshire programme has found that fewer than half the local authorities with tower blocks wrapped in panels that have failed fire safety tests have started to remove the material. following the grenfell fire the government said it planned to carry out fire safety tests on 600 buildings across england. but despite every test on material taken from those buildings failing, so far only one in three housing associations and councils have started removing cladding. unemployment fell in the three months to may, official figures show. the jobless rate has dropped to lows last seen in 1975 at 4.5%. but the data also show that pay is not keeping up with price rises, meaning households are feeling

the strain of rising prices since last year‘s brexit vote. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news. more at 10:30am. 0n the pension news we havejust brought to you, the ruling from the supreme court, emails to say i have been accept that occupational pensions which will not give my survival is pension to my common—law partner who i have lived with for over eight years, unless i marry her. i do not want to be forced to marry. these pension trustees are a law to themselves to drive to cut costs. just marry her! life is short. get in touch. here‘s some sport now. it hasn‘t happened for 39 years butjohanna konta has made tennis history. she‘s the latest british woman to reach the semi—finals of wimbledon after a thrilling 2—1 win on centre court last night. it‘s hard to think that

johanna konta had only won one match at wimbledon before this year. now, after a nerve shredding victory against simona halep, she is two wins from the title. i‘ve always believed in my own ability and i‘ve always dreamt big. but i don‘t give myself too much time to dream and more focus on the work. as is often the british way on centre court, she did it the hard way. she lost the first set on a tie—break against the second seed, not playing badly, she just needed to find the winning combination. relying on a powerful serve and a booming backhand seemed as good a ploy as any. to the decider it went. konta credits much of her rise up the rankings to the work on the mental side of the game and under this pressure you could see it flow into her racket. inside they tried to raise the roof. 0utside they tried to make themselves heard through it. konta has captured the nation.

the first british woman into the semi final since virginia wade in 1978. konta winning over new fans and a few older ones as well. today all eyes will be on defending champ andy murray and his semi—final against american big—server sam querrey. in practise yesterday, he still looked like he was struggling for full fitness. he‘s aiming for an eighth semi—final, and his match against the number 24 seed gets underway around 1pm. and querrey has embraced his underdog billing. he is the defending champion, number one in the world, you just have to go out and play your best and hope things go your way. he is going to be the favourite no matter who he plays. i will have to play extremely well to get past him. i am going to play aggressive and hopefully get a

lot of first serves and play finds of tennis when i can. so let‘s take a quick look at the rest of today‘s action. 0nce andy murray finishes up on centre court roger federer steps up to take on milos raonic. and novak djokovic is also playing today taking on tomas berdych. the number two seed has spoken out about his unhappiness with the centre court grass conditions. today he‘s on court 0ne. the umpire at the end of the match asked me about the whole because midway through the match i mentioned there was the whole and he wanted me to show him so i showed him. his reaction was not that great. i guess grounds men and everyone is doing their best. i have no doubt that they are giving their best to have they are giving their best to have the court in the most playable condition possible at this moment but it is what it is. that‘s all for now. back at 10:30am. it‘s four weeks now since

the devastating fire which destroyed grenfell tower in kensington — and this programme has discovered that fewer than half the local authority areas with tower blocks wrapped in panels that have failed fire safety tests have started to remove the material. 0ur reporterjim reed is here. people were talking about the cladding on the outside of the building and people are thinking that might have contributed to this bead with which the fire spread and the government have said that there have been 600 tests on similar blocks around the country. 255 have come back as a feel on fire safety, thatis come back as a feel on fire safety, that is every test so far. what are people doing? we spoke to councils and housing associations rather than councils in 36 areas affected. 0f

those,in councils in 36 areas affected. 0f those, in 13 areas, one in three, they have started taking this material down and in another ten they are planning to do so. this is material we think is banned in other countries, the us, germany, but it is still in many of these blocks in this country. why are councils and council associations not acting more quickly? just because they failed thus one fire safety test, that does not mince a thoroughly mean that the whole building is unsafe, that is the argument. this is one part of the argument. this is one part of the wider system that involves insulation and everything else and they say if they start ripping off these panels on the outside that could make things even more dangerous. could it expose material underneath? someone flicks a cigarette out of the window it could cause problems. fire safety experts think this material will have to come down in the long—term. 0ne think this material will have to come down in the long—term. one said

it is like dressing in the flammable clothing and standing next to a naked flame. eventually it will have to come down. there is this split between councils who have decided to actually do we and others saying it will take time and they have to think it through. what about other forms of fire protection? sprinklers? sprinklers is interesting. there is a split depending where you live. if you build a new tower block more than 30 metres height you have to set sprinklers. if you refurbish a block you do not have to do it and that was the case with grenfell tower. plenty of people thinking that is going to have to change. it was the recommendation in 2009 after a similarfire in south london but it has not happened everywhere. it depends where you live. in one council they say they are going to fit sprinklers in every block over

ten stories, that is 100 blocks that area alone. you can see how much that might cost. sheffield are fitting in 24 areas. 0thers saying they will not go down that route at they will not go down that route at the moment. one resident in islington. .. sorry, we the moment. one resident in islington... sorry, we are going to hear from islington... sorry, we are going to hearfrom john walker islington... sorry, we are going to hear from john walker outside the supreme court on the pension ruling. just. my husband and i can get on with enjoying the rest of our lives together. it is to our government‘s great shame that it has taken so many years, huge amounts of taxpayers‘ money and the uk‘s highest court to drag them into the 21st—century. in the years since we started this legal challenge, how many people have spent their final days uncertain about whether their loved one will be looked after? how many people have been left

unprovided for having already suffered the loss of their partner? i would like theresa may and her ministers today to make a formal commitment that this change will stay on the statute books. after brexit. i would like to thank the people who have made this possible. asa people who have made this possible. as a grey—haired pensioner i wanted to ta ke as a grey—haired pensioner i wanted to take on a £1 billion each year large super chemical company, not a chance in the world, but thanks to liberty who are here to support little people like me, we went out and took them on. after round one a classic david and goliath, goliath decided he needed help so he brought in the department for work and pensions, her majesties government, a big lot to take on, but thanks to these people we were able to do it.

the liberty of the phone two amazingly talented incredibly hard—working very amazingly talented incredibly ha rd—working very professional and beyond anything else really passionate barristers. 0ne beyond anything else really passionate barristers. one of them is here today, max, max and martin. they have won this case today. it has taken 5.5 years to get here. a long journey. those people have made it possible with liberty for a little person might need to take on the government. we can all do it. there is one other person out there, you know who you are, who made it possible for me to come to the supreme court. many of my family have been incredibly supportive over the years and my husband who is not here today, he is with a family sadness but thank you, thank you very much. john walker, amazing.

absolutely delighted he has been trying to get the same rights as heterosexual married couples and today he has done it, for him and his husband, this text from mdl, thank you, john walker, fighting to make life better for all people. this text from richard, i am a heterosexual married man, if gay people breathe the same air as me and pay the same taxes, they should have the same rights. let‘s carry on our conversation, i beg you pardon, who will carry on withjim just a second ballot is go back to the supreme court because clive is with john walker. john, you havejust broken about your long battle, have you had a chance to speak to your husband? i haven't. i hope i will in a minute, so very excited. just explain why it was so important for you as a couple to have the security knowing that should you predeceased

him he will have that full pension? i think it would be the same with any couple, whether it is heterosexual or same sex, somebody that you love, that person you want to make sure is looked after as long as they are alive. i am other than him, therefore statistically the chances are that i will buy before him. iwanted chances are that i will buy before him. i wanted to ensure he was looked after. he should be and he will be. you must be absolutely thrilled, but you made a pointjust then that really it is eu law that has ridden to your rescue. post brexit, is there a real threat that perhaps the government could row back mr session? think there is, but the answer lies over there. 0ut back mr session? think there is, but the answer lies over there. out of my depth, but i sincerely hope that theresa may will do the right thing, something that should have been done a long time ago, and get this thing sorted out once and for all. there are people who are dying, people who have died who are not going to benefit from this. actually i think the decent thing would be for those companies to now get into gear and look after the people that have

gone. john, thank you very much indeed. an absolutely delighted john walker but there is perhaps just a hint ofa walker but there is perhaps just a hint of a threat on the horizon as a result of brexit, that this ruling today could be rowed back on. something of an issue of concern for john and others in his position, but today a day of delight for him. thank you very much clive and john walker. let‘s carry on our, session withjim, who has been looking at the fact that fewer than half of local authorities and housing associations that have got this cladding on that have failed fire safety tests have managed to remove the panel so far. you have been talking to residents in one particular tower block in north london. yes, a resident in islington. in her block, they have started to remove the cladding, big trucks are out there doing it. two weeks ago, this president had a second daughter, so had a tiny little baby in the flat. we went round there to ask how safe she now

feels in her own home. it does reassure me to a certain extent. of course they're acting. they are doing something. they've put fire wardens in as well 24 hours. after the grenfell tower, i did not feel safe. i had lots of questions inside my head and i still don't. i still don't. because to me, there's still no clarity as to how safe we are. considering that we only have one fire escape at the end of the corridor, so i'm at the opposite end of the corridor. having that secondary staircase, in case the corridor is blocked one way, would actually help those residents who live in those flats that go down. so this is the fire exit. this is the staircase. it is quite narrow. if everybody were to leave at the same time, it wouldn't work, us leaving and the fire brigade trying to make their way up, it just wouldn't work.

otherwise, they have no fire exit. they would have to jump from the window and the third floor is the lowest floor, which is from here, but that's quite a big jump. thank you. what about the other issues around the sprinklers in particular? would you feel more secure if sprinklers were fitted? it was a recommendation after the lakanal house fire. it would have saved lives. what comes to me is that lady, for example, at the grenfell tower who flooded her flat and that's what saved her life. so water is the answer. in such a tall building where the fire brigade do not have the equipment to go above the 12th floor, if i'm not mistaken, having sprinklers installed would save lives. and it was here, it was a gas cooker. and it just caught fire and it burned everything

here, just around here. my husband was very good, because it was a gas cooker, he was able to switch off the gas. he burned his hands, burned his eyes, but he was able to contain the fire until the fire brigade came. that was scary enough, scary enough for my own daughter who had to call the fire brigade, who was shouting because her daddy was still in here and he got her to get out. and scary enough for me to be extra careful with everything. everything is switched off. are you going to eat? how much has having a new baby changed things in your head? i was thinking, so, having two children, having a 14—year—old and a two—week—old, i was on the internet and i was looking for fire

extinguishers, fire blankets. i have fire extinguishers, but you know, gas masks. it'sjust made me much more scared, having such a little one, so vulnerable, it just scares the living daylights out of me. they can't change the building. this is where we live, but try and make it safer by installing all these things that were recommended after the lakanal house fire. i believe they'll be recommended again after the grenfell tower fire, once they've finished with their inquest. why don't theyjust install it? it's been recommended already, in 2009. why can't theyjust put those up? let‘s talk to the chair of a group of mps that campaigns for fire safety. conservative mp sir david and steve kofi, chief executive

liverpool mutual homes, one of the landlords that has removed cladding from its property, and ronnie king, former chief fire officer and henri secretary of the group of politicians who look at fire safety, he is neutral, impartial and independent. david amis, why has it taken so long for local authorities and housing associations to remove the cladding that has failed fire safety tests ? the cladding that has failed fire safety tests? i have absolutely no idea. i think you did hearfrom someone idea. i think you did hearfrom someone earlier in the programme, suggesting that it is a complicated procedure, but as far as i am concerned, it is up to each local authority, housing association to act as quickly as they possibly can. mighti act as quickly as they possibly can. might i also say if local residents are concerned about non—action on this matter they should contact their own local mp as soon as possible. and what difference will that make? a great deal of difference. most mps come in to make

a difference to people‘s lives, and i have no doubt that members of parliament, if they are contacted by local residents, they will get onto the minister and complain about the situation. phone calls will be made and then i think there will be some pretty swift action but there may be different reasons for the delays, depending on the situation in various local authorities but southend council has taken immediate local action on this matter and i am reassured by what they have done already. steve croft, since grenfell, what work have you done on europe properties? thanks, victoria. it is for weeks now, i am sitting 200 miles away but everything is vivid to everybody, and for housing associations, the first and foremost priority is the safety and security of their tenants. so when this test failed or we got notification that it had failed, we immediately took steps to put interim measures in place and begin removing the cladding. however, there is a total

lack of clarity around the tests themselves. this particular block we have had sprinklers, has individual heat and smoke sensors in properties, has automatic door closes, has no gas in the flats, has all the safety measures you would think and is probably one of the safe st think and is probably one of the safest places in the uk. however, it does have cladding with a retard and mineral core. it has failed the government's test, but it has passed a new test, so we need some real clarity on where we are with things. said david amess, that is a fair point, people like landlords like steve coffey did not know what tests we re steve coffey did not know what tests were carried out on some of the properties that they own. this is a real issue and why our committee has been asking for 11 years for the building safety regulations... it is

not about building regulations, it is about the specific tests that have been carried out since grenfell. someone in your government must know the details, the specifics of those tests? i am speaking in the debate in parliament today, and i shall raise that very issue with the appropriate minister. who is that, do you think they will now? alec sharma is the minister i think who will be responding to the debate. he has already meant —— halep sharma. i will ask him further details of why they does not seem to be clarity about the testing of the cladding. the housing minister. the national fire chief counsel have undertaken to years of research into

real—life fires that have occurred. the findings are pretty conclusive that in 100% of occasions in fires and flats, sprinklers have actually controlled or extinguished fires on every occasion. i think that's phenomenal, that really vindicates why automatic fire sprinklers should be used. and indeed that was the recommendation from the coroner after the la ka nal fire recommendation from the coroner after the lakanal fire in recommendation from the coroner after the lakanalfire in south london in 2009. the coroner asked the secretary of state to encourage those providers of social housing to consider installing automatic sprinkler protection. what the secretary of state did was referred toa secretary of state did was referred to a letter he had sent to the coroner at southampton, by saying it is over to you. he didn't encourage, he said it is over to you to determine the appropriateness of automatic fire sprinklers. in other

words, this is what the coroner is saying. he didn't encourage it for his said it is your decision. thank you very much, gentlemen. ronnie king, said david amess, and a liver for steve coffey. we will watch the debate intensely in the commons this afternoon. still to come: we hear from the charity campaigning to have all prostitution related offences scrapped from sex workers‘ criminal records. it looks like ariana grande is to become an honorary citizen of manchester after organising a concert to raise funds for victims of the terror attack in the city. councillors are meeting right now, where they‘re expected to rubber stamp the decision. 22 people died when suicide bomber salman abedi detonated a device at the end of ariana grande‘s concert on the 22nd may. last month, grande organised this concert for the victims of the attack. # you are, you are, you are my everything... what better way to fight evil

with evil than to fight evil with good? would you guys agree with that? # all the times that you rained on my parade # all the clubs that you get in using my name... let'sjust do this little exercise in love. just touch the next person. touch the person next to you. make human contact. tell them, i love you, look in their eyes. say, i love you. # don‘t look back in anger. # don‘t look back in anger # i heard you say. # at least not today. # we‘re gonna live forever #.

in an exclusive interview last week we spoke to andrew roussos, the father of eight—year—old saffie roussos, the youngest victim of the terror attack. he told us what a hero he thought arianne grande was. a stunning young lady. i mean, i‘ve met arianna. i wanted to. i asked to meet her. the biggest part of why i wanted to meet her is to tell her what she meant to saffie and, i wanted to tell her that i don‘t want her to blame herself, because she was very, you know, distressed at the time and blamed herself and a lot of different people said rotten things about her. and, you know, beautiful, stunning young lady herself and when i met up with her, all she could say to me was, i‘m sorry, and i said,

you‘ve got nothing to be sorry for. you know, you made saffie and all the children round the world so happy with what you do and you‘ve done nothing wrong. i wanted to tell her that from me. and how did she respond to what you said to her? she thanked me. she appreciated me telling her that because obviously again, as a young lady, she must feel bad, you know, on what happened and everything else and ijust wanted to tell her from me that she‘s got nothing to be sorry for. she‘s got nothing to, you know... i thanked herfor making my daughter adore her and aspire to her. and i said to her, you know, many things could have happened. it could have happened halfway through the concert, at the start of the concert, you know. and she got to see her, right to the end, and she‘s been looking so forward to it that i‘m grateful that she got to see all of it.

and i wanted arianna to know that. we can talk to ann marie mcnally in prestatyn who was at the concert with her daughter lauren. she says her daughter is traumatised and rather than giving an honour to arianne grande perhaps the council should be recognising the work of emergency services. you‘re one of many people who are saying that council should officially... clearly they have thank them a number of times, i have heard that, but he think of visual recognition is what they should be prioritising. yes. there was a lot of people on that evening that ran in to help, taxi drivers, the

homeless gentleman, i cannot remember his name, and his friend. these people were there on the ground trying to save people, trying to help people as much as possible, helping children to get home to pa rents, helping children to get home to parents, contacting. and the emergency services of course. they are human beings like ours. yes, they are trained and skilled that they are trained and skilled that they had a lot to be dealing with. some would say that is theirjob. well, we all have jobs, but we all went to that concert that night and never expected to come out and see what we saw and experience what we did. from my point of view, whether they are skilled and whether it is they are skilled and whether it is thejob, they they are skilled and whether it is the job, they still they are skilled and whether it is thejob, they still dealt they are skilled and whether it is the job, they still dealt with it and dealt with that very professionally and i am sure they have come away from the situation as traumatised as the ones in there.

adam harrison was also at the concert with his eight—year—old daughter lily who was injured. good morning. i know that you and lily met arianna grande at the hospital where my she was being treated. you think it is right that the council are looking to make arianne grande an honorary citizen of manchester. yes, absolutely. you hear stories about meeting celebrities and you think it might be rehearsed but the amount of time she spent with us and everybody on the ward at the children‘s hospital... she made sure everybody was feeling well. my daughter was not sure if she wanted to go to the concept but within seconds of meeting her she was certain she wanted to go. manchester

is the proud city. to give her that confidence she is deserving of what is being discussed. you got a little bit of what anne—marie was saying. she thinks the council should be prioritising official recognition of the emergency services. yeah, absolutely. that is theirjob, but there was no fallback for them not performing. iam having there was no fallback for them not performing. i am having a lazy 20 minutes to speak to you but they cannot afford such a lapse in concentration. they had to be on form for the evening and the days following. the enthusiasm, keeping spirits high, these guys had given up spirits high, these guys had given up their days off to come in and help us. i cannot speak highly enough of them. i will not have a bad word said about any of them. that is the point. honorary citizen

ship is being considered by councillors in manchester, that does not mean something recognising the emergency services is not an option further down the line. no. of course not. but i think they‘re definitely should be an acknowledgement to the emergency services and the taxi drivers and the other individuals who were around and about such as the guy who was homeless who helped, did everything they possibly could to try to help save lives and help in any way they could. lily fractured her collar bone in the bombing and her mum lauren was hit by shrapnel in the leg. how are they doing? they are both doing well. lily is more physically able than me and lauren. i have the ruptured ankle and lauren has a flesh wound

on her thigh so we are wobbling around and lily fractured her collar bone and shrapnel went through her back and missed her spine and major organs and she is running around and giving us a heart attack. she is doing really well. how is lauren? lucy, i so sorry. she is ok. in an indirectly it has affected as psychologically. she has had to have some counselling but as days goes by it gets better. thank you. adam harrison talking about his daughter lily and anne—marie talking about her daughter lucy. this programme has learnt that recording artists are being told not to say which pop stars have influenced any of their music

in case they end up being sued for copyright infringement. it follows the high—profile copyright infringement case in which usjurors ruled that robin thicke and pharrell williams, on their song blurred lines, had copied marvin gaye‘s got to give it up. tht case is going to appeal over the next few months. we bought you our reporter chi chi izundu‘s full report earlier. here‘s a short extract. music: blurred lines by robin thicke ft ti, pharrell # blurred lines # i know you want it #. blurred lines was globally the biggest track of 2013, raking in more than £12 million in profits from sales alone. but in 2015, a court in the states ruled that pharrell williams and robin thicke had infringed the copyright of marvin gaye‘s got to give it up and awarded his estate just over £4 million. marvin gaye was cited as being the inspiration for blurred lines and pharrell williams even stated that he wanted to channel that 70s feeling on it. in the blurred lines case, robin thicke‘s interviews went

well beyond saying that he was simply inspired by got to give it up. what he said in his interviews was that he and pharrell, or he directed pharrell, to create a song just like got to give it up, and that they tried to get the same rhythm and those types of things going in creating blurred lines. so it‘s much more thanjust inspiration. what you try and do with copyright is to work out if there's been copying. musicologists like peter 0xendale say the decision regardless is having huge implications on the industry. all of these companies are worried that if a track is referenced on another at all, a claim may be brought. so do you know of labels telling artists not to publicly state who they are influenced by? yes. and are you allowed to say? no. 0k, fine. many of the companies i work with with ask the producers and the artists to declare all of the tracks that may have been used as inspiration

for their new tracks. they send them to me well in advance of release, probably six months, something like that. those are the behind the scenes arguments but what about an artist who writes, composers, produces and performs music? we all listen to stuff and we all get ideas from the things that we listen to. the trick of it, i think, is trying to turn those ideas into something new, rather than just repeat them or copy them. you only learn that by listening to it. so you are influenced simply by listening to music. even if you don‘t like the music, it‘s going to have some impact on what you do. injust over two months, pharrell williams, robin thicke and the marvin gaye estate will be back in court in the appeals process of this very case. if pharrell wins, it could mean a brand—new trial and the music industry has to go through this whole thing again. whatever the verdict,

it does seem that the industry will be extremely wary about copyright, as well as creativity, when it comes to releasing new music. chi chi izundu, who was reporting, is here to tell us a bit more. so basically everyone‘s trying to avoid a copyright lawsuit going to court? the word copyright and courts does not even come into it. they go into negotiations for about a year before court is even suggested. they are so desperate not to get there. yes, it takes a lot of behind the scenes arguing and negotiating before even the word court is uttered. go on, give us examples? in 2014 — sam smith had a big hit with stay with me. peaked at number one in the official chart, sold more than four million copies, and won record of the year at the grammy‘s. but fans and lawyers for tom petty — who headlined the british summer time festival in hyde park last

weekend — noticed similarities between sam‘s song and tom‘s i won‘t back down — here‘s a bit of the tom petty song. # i won‘t backdown. # that was tom petty‘s i won‘t back down, and here‘s sam smith‘s stay with me. # stay with me. # stay with me. # this ain‘t love it clear to the. # stay with me now has sam,

his writing partnerjimmy napes, tom petty and his writing partner jeff lynne as chief songwriters. in a statement on tom‘s website he said no hard feelings towards sam but "all my years of songwriting have shown me these things can happen. most times you catch it before it gets out the studio door but in this case it got by." here‘s another huge track that quietly added songwriters to its credits within weeks of the blurred linesjudgment. music: "uptown funk" by bruno mars and mark ronson. uptown funk, by bruno mars and mark ronson, topped the us billboard chart for 14 weeks, originally had six songwriters. in april 2015, it picked up another five from 19705

funk group the gap band. for 0ops upside your head. they had some names. money is going to change hands presumably. exactly. they cut new deals to get new royalties and the distribution is made that way. and they stay out of court. we can speak now to helienne lindvall, songwriter and director of the british academy of songwriters, composers and authors. and james walsh, lead singer of the band starsailor, which has sold more than three million albums. 0k, are you afraid, james, to say

who your inspirations are now, publicly? not particularly, well, to be perfectly honest i think as long as you haven‘t thought of ripped someone as you haven‘t thought of ripped someone off, as gary numan said in the vat you just played, everyone is influenced by someone, is inspired by someone, and i think, like i say, as long as your track isn‘t like that, then it is quite acceptable to say yes, i listen to a lot of ryan adams, while listening to the —— making the album, i listen to spiritualised. have to be aware. ryan adams will come out! correct. the industry is nervous, is that fair? well, i think probably what

james is saying for starsailor is a bit different than for some pop acts. when you are a songwriter for hire basically, usually when you work with an artist or a label or sometimes even when they send out lists of what they are looking for, they can only reference it according to what they already know, so you will get a reference saying we are looking for something that sounds may be like a mix of can't stop the feeling withjustin may be like a mix of can't stop the feeling with justin timberlake meets either nowjustin feeling with justin timberlake meets either now justin bieber or something like that. now, obviously, you don't want to send e—mails like that out because that might be brought up in court later. but i wanted tojust brought up in court later. but i wanted to just address the different examples, because i do feel like the difference it is with headlines, it is not melodically or lyrically the

same as the marvin gaye track. in my view and in the view of many other musicians, we're talking about production, arrangement. even george clinton, one of the most sampled artists in the world, who has influenced loads of people, including bruno mars, i'm sure, and mark ronson, he even said about the case that he couldn't see it, because he said you can't copyright a vibe. well, in their depositions, they were talking about it is just they were talking about it is just the feeling, the vibe and that was enough of the us jurors. the feeling, the vibe and that was enough of the usjurors. yes, i think it is sad this case has come around, particularly when motown, which marvin gaye came up through, all those artists shared a lot of influences and sounds, and the feel and the vibe of the songs. they are

still amazing songs, they can still coexist together, but now all of a sudden this litigious nature that eve ryo ne sudden this litigious nature that everyone is kind of suing each other, and it is a bit of a shame really. you are right, you say it is the arrangement, the production and so the arrangement, the production and so on, but chi gave the example where it was quite similar so the new lot have added the old lot of songwriters onto the credit because they went yes, hands up, you got me there. with the sam smith case for example, he might have said he had never heard that song with tom petty, and in all honesty, i wouldn‘t be surprised if that is true. it is not the most original kind of... you know, there is only a limited amount of notes on the scale, and there are only some notes that work together more pleasantly than others. but, even so, actually

i think somewhere along the line it would have been easierfor somebody who heard the song, summary of the publishing company, producer, saying it was similar. as far as i know, there already is a rule in place where if a melody shares more than a certain number of notes... that is actually not correct. is it not?! urban myth. there is not a set numberof urban myth. there is not a set number of notes, no formula. but that was settled amicably, and i think the issue now is, and obviously the bruno mars, the first on her that song like code here because i know the gap band and i thought wow, that is really, really similar. now the issue is if you realise that you have something very similaror

realise that you have something very similar or involuntarily you copy something, it could happen very easily. then change it. you can either change it or you reach out to that songwriter and say we have got this in our song, can we arrange a ' ? this in our song, can we arrange a split? but what happens if you do it after it has been released? then the people who come and sue you, they can, as in the marvin gaye case, they canjust can, as in the marvin gaye case, they can just go and claim can, as in the marvin gaye case, they canjust go and claim as much as they want because the song is already out. do you think the blurred lines case closed before it would happen frequently with melodies and lyrics but with the blurred lines case are we going to get travellers and drum tracks saying, the feel of this song... we will see what happens, because they are appealing against it in october. thank you both for coming on the programme. a campaign is being launched to scrap all prostitution related offences from sex workers criminal records. nia, a charity which aims to end violence and discrimination against women, says sex workers struggle to move

on and get a newjob because of their criminal record and the stigma associated with being a prostitute. one woman describes how her child‘s school refused to allow her to enter the playground because she was a "sex offender". we can speak now to fiona broadfoot, who‘s a former prostitute who says that criminal records hold her and women like her back, when they try and return to conventional employment. and to heather harvey from the charity nia which has produced this report. hello, those of you. hello. fiona, tell us a little bit about what you wa nt to tell us a little bit about what you want to do now and why previous convictions are holding you back?” was groomed and trafficked into prostitution at the tender age of 15. i was at risk of extreme sexual violence and abuse. none of the perpetrators whoever bought or sold me everface

perpetrators whoever bought or sold me ever face any criminal convictions. i have a catalogue of convictions. i have a catalogue of convictions. is with the holistic them here? it is an eight page double sided document. and it shows i have been convicted from one end of the country to the other. i have been given fines, exeter exeter. dekhar conviction 1986, prostitute loitering ventilator six.” dekhar conviction 1986, prostitute loitering ventilator six. i was 18 yea rs old loitering ventilator six. i was 18 years old firm. prostitute loitering, and so it goes on. ok, so why should your convictions be wiped? what why should your convictions be wiped ? what is why should your convictions be wiped? what is different about prostitution, why not cannabis possession of a teenager, why should that not be wiped? why isn‘t the same argument? i did not choose to be involved in prostitution, i was forced. i wasn‘t willingly stood out

on the streets, i wasn‘t a criminal. that is a catalogue of my abuse actually. so i don‘t believe i should never have been criminalised. and actually, if now i were experiencing grooming and trafficking, i would have been treated as a victim of abuse, not as a perpetrator of a crime. is that the same for all prostitutes, though? because i have interviewed some who voluntarily choose to go out on the streets. to be quite honest, that isn‘t what i am here to debate. i believe that prostitution isa debate. i believe that prostitution is a form of abuse. i have met a handful of women and have made a choice, in my experience the vast majority, even after exiting, they are still mentally ill, addicted to su bsta nces are still mentally ill, addicted to substances and the medication, physical health problems. let me

bring heather in on this point. understood. why is this something the government should consider?” think the thing we are saying about prostitution specific offences is that prostitution is a whole other layer of stigma and discrimination attached to it and it is very gendered. so the disclosure, the principle is you are trying to prevent future harm. the women we are working with whenever the risk of harm to anybody asked, they were in most cases themselves victims. and the disclosure and barring service should be proportionate. the kind of things we see in the report that we discuss, we see women who are evicted from their housing, we see women who lose their relationships with their children and with their families when these things become disclosed. we see women who won't even apply for a job because they don't want to sit and have a two— hour because they don't want to sit and have a two—hour discussion with senior male managers about a catalogue of abuse, which is what that is. so they won't even apply

for a job. if you do apply, many times you are just turned away because you are perceived as having beena because you are perceived as having been a sex offender. but even if you got a chance, you have to have a discussion about two, three, five, ten years worth of prostitution, which is layered with that stigma. people who are involved in selling or been sold for sex should not become an ice and the first place but they should give to have their prostitution records wiped and not disclosed because it is disproportionate and has such far— reaching disproportionate and has such far—reaching effects. disproportionate and has such far-reaching effects. you can see others with convictions in the past saying i want my drug dealing conviction being wiped, that is stopping me from starting afresh on getting a newjob. stopping me from starting afresh on getting a new job. there is a broader campaign around, no records

but this is gender discriminatory, predominantly, so what would be arguing for that is we need to talk about, when somebody says prostitution, it goes into sex, sexual harassment, abuse, that is very different. we are talking about the most cases never wanted to be involved in it. some of the women, like fiona were saying, if you start at the age of 15, that is not prostitution, that is child abuse, grooming, that is the stuff we are making a big fuss about right now about rather than all of those areas. they should be treated as victims but they are treated as perpetrators, and it hampers you for your whole life, not just perpetrators, and it hampers you for your whole life, notjustjobs but also your social interaction. thank you both. plymouth press i‘m sure is good to ask you fiona, before we pause, we haven‘t got much time, whatjobs haven‘t got much time, whatjobs have you been blocked from getting because this has come up when they have chopped your —— checked your

background? from applying to university places. really? you mean a job or going on in university course? if you do a university degree in social work for example, you have to have a practical placement that goes alongside that. that would be the barrier. ok, i have to stop you there, but thank you very much. 0n the programme tomorrow — we‘ll bring you the latest on the charlie gard case, as his parents go to court again to fight for his life. thank you very much for your company today. have a good day. good morning. we are going to continue to see the cloud and the rain clearfrom continue to see the cloud and the rain clear from the south—east of england, and for all of us conditions improve as we head

through the rest of the afternoon. largely dry, with plenty in the way of sunshine, and the cloud thinning and breaking across the south to allow that sunshine through, and with the light winds, feeling quite pleasant. cabbages reaching the high teens in the low 20s, down to 2223 celsius the south—eastern parts of england. much improved across parts of the south—east. for wimbledon too for the men‘s quarterfinals, temperatures climbing up to 22 or 23. a fine evening to come, high—pressure still with us, long clear spells the building and turning quite chilly, especially for some shouted rule blends, down to low single figures. for tomorrow, there will be a lot of dry weather around, but some scattered showers developing as we had through the day, heaviest across northern ireland, western part of scotland, merging together at times as well. temperatures still reaching the high teens and the low 20s. this is bbc news and these are

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