today at 5 — more talks in brussels and more clarification needed on brexit according to the eu's chief negotiator. michel barnier says there have been areas of agreement, but fundamental differences remain. i say by way of conclusion the first round was about organisation. this week has been about presentation. the third round must be about clarification. brexit secretary david davis said the talks had been robust, but there's a lot to be positive about. we conducted this round constructively and at pace. now i hope this is a model we can continue going forward. to coin a phrase, michel, the clock is ticking. we'll have the latest from brussels. the other main stories on bbc news at 5:00pm. crime figures in england and wales showed their largest increase in a decade, with violent crime up by 18%. the us authorities take down one

of the biggest websites selling illegal drugs on the dark web. a third of dementia cases could be prevented by maintaining good brain health throughout life — according to new research. and it's william versus kate — the duke and duchess go head to head in a boat race during their royal visit to germany. it's 5 o'clock. our main story, after four days of talks, the european union is asking the uk to clarify its position on some aspects of brexit. at the end of the second round of negotiations in brussels, the eu's chief negotiator michel barnier says there've been areas of agreement. but there remain "fundamental" differences. the brexit secretary, david davis, insisted there was much

to be positive about. andy moore reports. brexit secretary david davis looked happy enough this morning as he came back to brussels to lead the british side on day four of these negotiations. behind the scenes, 98 british officials have been going through the detail in talks that were supposed to be about the substance of brexit. there were three main topics of discussion — the rights of citizens, both eu citizens living in the uk and britons living in the eu. the financial settlement, the so—called divorce bill britain will have to pay. and then there is the question of the irish border, a new frontier between the eu and uk. the message from the eu's chief negotiator was that he was still unsure about precisely what the uk's position was on many issues. translation: we require this clarification on the financial settlement, on citizens‘ rights, on ireland, with the two key points

of the common travel area from the good friday agreement, and on the other separation issues. michel barnier said there was fundamental divergiance on certain issues. david davis said the talks had been robust but constructive, and he admitted there was a lot left to talk about. all in all, the second round of negotiations has given us a lot to be positive about, and it highlighted the need for both sides to demonstrate a dynamic and flexible approach and the way we approach these challenges. we conducted this round constructively and at pace and i hope this will continue. to coin a phrase, michel, the clock is ticking. britain's international trade secretary has been in geneva talking to the world trade organisation. he told the bbc that britain's departure from the eu could be delayed. if we have an implementation phase between us leaving the european union and moving to whatever new arrangement and relationship we have with the eu, i don't have a problem with that.

for me, there's no ideological barrier to that. it would be purely a practical decision on time. frankly, i have been waiting to leave the european union for a very long time. another two years, say, wouldn't be too much to ask. the liberal democrats say they are not surprised by that assessment. i think the penny has finally dropped, even with liam fox, that what the brexiteers had presented as a simple and straightforward process that could be completed within a couple of years, now they realise that there's probably going to be a couple of years on top of that. and even that might be an underestimation. the next round of talks is due to begin at the end of august. there are difficulties to come, most clearly over the eu insistence that the european court ofjustice should oversee the rights of eu citizens in the uk. so far at least, that has been a red line for britain. on the thorny question of the divorce bill, michel barnier said an orderly exit required britain to settle its bill. mr davis said britain

recognised its rights and responsibilities. andy moore, bbc news. we can get the latest from westminster. our political correspondent iain watson has been following it there. we hear you the use of the word robust. what's your reading of how things have progressed? robust but constructive is what david davis said. he wasn't wrong to use the term robust. there are wrong to use the term robust. there a re clear wrong to use the term robust. there are clear differences between the eu and the british side on even some of the early points of negotiation. for example, michel barnier is very keen to get more clarity on the divorce bill, the final financial settlement. i have been talking to downing street this afternoon and they say there is no plan or intention to supply the position paper the eu would like to see on this, and britain will come up with its own particular sum it would be prepared to pay. the decision for

thatis prepared to pay. the decision for that is political as well as economic. when parliament resumes in september, it's on its last day before the summer holidays today, it will have to discuss the big repeal bill, the brexit bill, and there might bea bill, the brexit bill, and there might be a rebellion in the conservative ranks of the brexit secretary was to come up with a big potential bill we would be willing to pay before the legislation goes through parliament. i think there is an obvious reluctance to provide the level of detail and wait for the eu to come up with their own figure first. i think what's also significant is this document here. you might not be able to read any of it, but the key thing is the colours. it's produced by british officials on where we agree and disagree on the question of citizens rights. this is meant to be one of the early priorities, one of the things we should try to solve straightaway. as you can see there isa straightaway. as you can see there is a rather big splodge of red on the document, areas that haven't been agreed. it's notjust a question ofjurisdiction of the

european court of justice, question ofjurisdiction of the european court ofjustice, but the whole issue of citizens rights, these early priorities yet to be resolved to stop goodness, that's one way of displaying it. iain watson at westminster. christian fraser has also been following the days of talks. a different sense in tone between michel barnier and david davis. david davis pointed to the fact they have had some 98 negotiators here this week, two british representatives to everyone from the european side. he has said that they are quite well organised, they have a plan and have an opposite solution to every position the eu side has put forward. they are trying to counter the rhetoric that they are chaotic. let's find out if people who know about these sorts of negotiations think that's the case. you used to work for the british embassy here in the european union for 13 years. what makes a good negotiation?”

union for 13 years. what makes a good negotiation? i think good negotiation begins with ministers trusting the european experts and people who understand how europe works. the permanent representation and the ambassadors, taking advice from them. but both sides need to set out a position, not beyond the realms of possibility. they need to both work from that. how does this compare? i think is michel barnier said today, there's a real lack of clarity over the uk position they say they are looking for continuity, stability, but there seems to be a real lack of that, at least coming out from the ministers themselves. number ten is saying today they will not put out a position paper on the financial settlement. it's a bit like michelle barney are saying, show us your hand. and they are saying, you first. they have shown their hand. there is a website, the commission website which shows all

the documents pertaining to the negotiations. the idea that you are holding aces in your hand in a negotiation like this, and you have to keep them hidden because it's a game of bluff, is really deeply worrying and concerning to somebody like me. this isn't normally how negotiations like this are conducted. on the financial settlement for instance, we know the uk would like to pay a lower amount, the lowest amount possible. the eu has their own ideas. this talk that the british side is not prepared. there tends to be a lot of discussion in brussels, we're not sure what we want from this negotiation. you have been part of the team here. is that really the position the civil service are in, they don't know what they are negotiating? i don't believe for a second dip romance are in that

position. i can't stress enough that there is a fantastic team of experts in whitehall. —— diplomats are in that position. it seems ministers are not listening to advice on the strategy. and moreover the complexity level they are facing here, we will need broad agreement and often detailed agreement in literally hundreds of sectors. you say is the political direction rather than those behind—the—scenes? i refuse to believe the professional diplomats and civil servants will not have briefed ministers properly and given proper strategic guidance. interesting perspective there. we are at the end of four days of negotiation in this the second round. still more to go in august and september. i think it might come to october, the position when the uk side wants to talk about trade, when i think the political heat will be turned up. christian fraser in

brussels. we will be talking more about that story after 5:30pm. the usjustice department has announced it is to shut down the dark web marketplace alphabay. the website, allows for anonymous online trading of drugs, guns and hacking software. the us attorney general jeff sessions announced the move this afternoon. today the department ofjustice announces the takedown of the dark web market alphabay. this is the largest dark market web place takedown in world history. an alphabay staff member claimed this group serviced more than 40,000 illegal vendors, people who sell illegal products, for more than 200,000 customers. by far most of this activity was in illegal drugs, pouring fuel on the fire of the national drug epidemic. with me is our correspondent angus crawford.

explain what this website is. really simply, the dark web is the part of the internet that you and i can't reach just using google and other search engines. to get to it, you have to download specialist search engines, and then you find yourself cloa ked engines, and then you find yourself cloaked in encrypted software. effectively, if you are a human rights campaigner or journalist, it is great. you can find out things without being spied upon. but the problem is for criminals it's open season. problem is for criminals it's open season. what has happened with the wider use of this specialist softwa re wider use of this specialist software and search facility is that a whole subculture has been created, if you like, a dark world ebay, where you can buy anything from drugs to weapons. when a politician says we are going to shut this down, how does that work? people might think, if it's that straightforward, why not shut them down more quickly, and if you do shut it down, doesn't whoever is operating at spring up

under another name? two things, it has shut down. i have just checked and it's gone. they found the administrator, they had the service, took them down and they are gone. what's fascinating about what happened here, it's notjust the numbers, 300,000 listings, 200,000 customers, 40,000 vendors. but at the same time as alphabay went down, another site was ta ken the same time as alphabay went down, another site was taken over by dutch police and carried on being used. they gleaned named and addresses from tens of thousands of users, increasing some in the uk. some of the other stories making bbc news at 5:00pm. the warm weather injune got us out spending in the shops. the latest figures show uk retail sales were better than expected last month.

there were higher sales of summer clothing, shoes and household goods. the amount of money we spent on goods was also up, by 0.4%. a woman who tricked a female friend into having sex, by pretending to be a man, has been jailed for six and a half years. the court was told gayle newland created a complex online persona, and told her victim to wear a blindfold at all times when they met. a former southampton fc youth coach has denied a series of charges of sexual offences following a police investigation into historical child abuse in the football community. robert higgins faces 63 counts of indecent assault and two counts of attempted indecent assault committed against 23 teenage boys, between 1970 and 1996.

new research suggests one in three cases of dementia could be prevented if more of us looked after the health of our brain throughout life. an international study, published in the lancet, lists nine key risk factors — including a lack of education, smoking, hearing loss and physical inactivity. our medical correspondent fergus walsh reports. now there is another reason to stay active. keeping fit can reduce your risk of getting dementia as well as protect against heart disease and cancer. keeping the mind active throughout life, like with this spanish class, helps to build what the study calls cognitive reserve, strengthening the brain so that it can function in later life despite damage. it's not surprising to me that learning a language will help, because there's a lot of memory recall, and it's keeping everything

firing, which you tend to stop doing when you're stopping studying. learning anything, especially language, possibly, would give somebody who might be worried about alzheimer's, an opportunity to test their synapses. the main risk for dementia is old age. but the lancet study says that 35% of all cases could potentially be prevented if nine other factors were addressed. they are — lack of education, hearing loss, smoking, depression, social isolation, physical inactivity, high blood pressure, obesity and diabetes. it's never too early, so starting off with education as a child and secondary school. and then, throughout your adult life, having an enriched environment where you socialise and exercise and do cognitively stimulating things, that all does it. so do that. and don't smoke, try not to be

obese, try to be active. these things can really make a difference. hobbies like dancing and notjust good exercise, are notjust good exercise, they prevent people from being cut off from their community. social isolation is not good for your brain, and actually trying to maintain social networks keep your brain active, whether that's doing a crossword puzzle, learning to dance or higher education later in life, we don't think it particularly matters, it's about keeping your brain active and healthy. alzheimer's disease accounts for about two thirds of dementia cases. there is still no drug that can slow its progress. the alzheimer's society says dementia is set to be the 21st—century‘s biggest killer. and we all need to be aware of the risks and start making positive lifestyle changes. with me is james hendrix, the alzheimer's association's

director of global science initiatives. he's in the uk this week for the association's international conference. we always clutch onto research about alzheimer's. we all want to try to find something that will help. how excited are you about these findings and suggestions? i think it's really exciting. if we were talking today about a new drug that could reduce alzheimer's disease by a third globally, that would be headline news all over the world. i think we need to take this seriously and look at it carefully. these are things we can all do. we can take action about oui’ can all do. we can take action about our own health. we can exercise, watch our diet. we can watch our numbers and take action today to improve our brain health. do we have to be doing it from the age of 20 or something, or is there in a sense in which you want to get the message

out? the only recommendation we have to do before the age of 20 is the early childhood education part. but it's never too late or too early to start. we learned some other things at the conference this week that showed maybe even modest changes for example in diet, could have a major impact. we shouldn't think we have to be perfect all the time. it's interesting you use that phrase, this might suggest you have to be super healthy and super clean your entire adult life. it is a lifestyle. we need to take a lifestyle. we need to take a lifestyle approach to diet and exercise. yes you can have a bad meal once in awhile, but don't make a habit of it. yes you can miss workouts, but don't make a habit of it. it has to be a lifestyle. for example with diet, do we know enough yet about why this might have an impact on and dementia?” yet about why this might have an impact on and dementia? i think it's about brain health and your overall

body health. if your body is healthier, your brain will be healthier. we have learned things like the mediterranean diet, high in fish and fruit and vegetables and nuts, that seems to be the best diet overall. avoiding red meat and saturated fat is really important. it's the kind of thing we have been taught about your heart, and what's good for your heart is good for your brain. it's about blood flow. absolutely. if you have hypertension you need to manage that and bring it under control. it will impact your brain and notjust your heart. more research to do on this? it's never stops. thank you very much for joining us. vince cable has been formally installed as leader of the liberal democrat party. the previous leader tim farron stepped down after the election. the 74—year—old vince cable was unopposed. joining me now is our political correspondent leila nathoo. unopposed as we expected. what's

been going on with the party this afternoon? that's right, at 4pm this afternoon? that's right, at 4pm this afternoon the nominations closed for the liberal democrat leadership contest. at that time vince cable was the only one of the party who put himself forward for that role. unopposed he had the backing of all his fellow mps and the requisite number of party members. he was declared the leader with no ballot and no contest. vince cable was introduced by outgoing leader tim farron as the wisest man in parliament. he said he was honoured to ta ke parliament. he said he was honoured to take the role. he has been acting interim leader in the past, deputy leader as well. this is the first time vince cable has gone for the leadership of his party and said he was honoured to take the role. he said in his manifesto, a personal ma nifesto, said in his manifesto, a personal manifesto, talking about being ambitious for the country, and for oui’ ambitious for the country, and for our party. he said he had inherited

a party with record levels of membership and wanted to provide a voice of sanity on europe. he said he believed the liberal democrats could to buy a space in british politics. you have this gigantic space, hole, in the middle of british politics. the two major parties have been captured by ideologues, ideologues on one hand who hate europe, and on the other hand who hate capitalism. and as a result, british politics is fiow more and as a result, british politics is now more polarised and more divided than at any time any of us can remember. and what is now very badly missing is the basic common—sense the kind of moderation, the mutual respect that are what british politics is at its best. and my aim

is that our party and i will occupy that space in british politics. you'll remember the liberal democrats went into the last election campaigning for a second referendum on the final brexit deal that's on the table in march 2019. vince cable today backed that idea saying that we need an exit from brexit. vince cable had the past been slightly critical in that approach, but today he said he believed that was the right position for the liberal democrats, who have gone into the last election fighting. he said that was the only strategy, as the complexities and difficulties of brexit start to emerge. we can expect to see the liberal democrats under vince cable still fighting hard on the side of remainers with the prospect of a second referendum. the latest crime figures for england and wales show there was a 10% increase in offences reported to the police, in the year to the end of march. violent crimes were up 18% and robberies increased by 16%.

we spoke with the home office minister nick hurd a little earlier. the bits that we are concerned about is where, although crime may be falling, crime may be changing as well. we are quite clear, not least from the data we get from hospitals about admissions, that there has been a worrying increase in violent crime, which we have known about for a while. we are actually determined to stay on top of that, which is why we have passed new laws, for example to ban the use of zombie knives. there are tougher sentences for possession. we are consulting at the moment for new laws to make it harder, particularly for young people, to buy knives online. the police are being more proactive in terms of enforcement. just recently operation sceptre led to 1200 seizures of knives in one week and 300 arrests. there is a very concerted effort by the police and government to bear down on emerging crime.

our home affairs correspondent danny shaw is with me. no one ever wants to hear about a rise in crime. this is quite a leap in some cases. it's interesting to hear the police —— policing minister at met that increase in crime. —— policing minister admit. there has been a spike in knife crime, going up been a spike in knife crime, going up 20% in the year to the end of march, compared to the previous year. the violet crime, and knife crime up as well. those are the crimes that particularly impact on people. —— violent crime. also the acquisitive crimes that have been on the decline over the years are going up the decline over the years are going up as well. burglaries and car crime up up as well. burglaries and car crime up 11%. that will be of great

concern because it was always thought that somehow improvements in technology, security devices, were getting those crimes down. perhaps these were turning to online fraud. now we are seeing a spike in those offences as well. is to what extent are all those increased figures to do with any changes that might have taken place in the way things are recorded, or are you picking up on concern that this is genuinely happening, really happening, and for whatever reason, there is an increase in crime in these areas? there is no doubt that some of this is due to improvements in the way police record crimes. they are more thorough in the way they do it, more consistent in how they process data. no doubt that is having an impact. but they are also genuine increases. for example, looking at the cases of murder and manslaughter. the way figures are recorded hasn't changed and we are seeing the highest

numbers of murder and manslaughter cases in eight years and attempted murders are also up, the highest numberfor murders are also up, the highest number for more than a decade. there is clearly something going on at the more serious end of violence. and also with property crimes as well. separately we have another set of measurements of crime, and that is the crime survey of england and wales which estimates offending based on people's experiences of crime. it asks 35,000 people if they have been a victim in the last 12 months and it shows crime is down 796, months and it shows crime is down 7%, but the survey doesn't pick up on some of the key offences like gun crime, knife crime, and offences of fraud are still not included in that main survey. police figures at the moment are the ones to watch. thank you, danny shaw. conservationists in zimbabwe say the son of cecil will in has been shot dead by a big game hunter. cecil was shotin

dead by a big game hunter. cecil was shot in 2015. he was killed by an american dentist, you might remember. that incident sparked international outrage, and a brief lull in big—game hunting in the park. it's not clear who paid to shoot zander, the name of cecil‘s son, but a professional hunter called richard cook is said to have reported the death to the authorities and returned the lion's electronic tracking collar. that's coming from conservationists in zimbabwe. we will talk more about brexit and other things after 5:30pm, but it's time to catch up with the weather prospects with chris fawkes. you have probably noticed if you have been outside today that the air has felt fresher. big storms yesterday brought flooding notjust to north wales but also lancashire. these storms fed off that humidity.

these storms fed off that humidity. the humid air has been washed away by the weather front working in. the front has brought cloudy skies and rain in the east. we have seen things brightening up across parts of suffolk in the last couple of hours with some sunshine coming through. as we go through this evening and overnight, showers will return across wales and south—west england, turning quite wet in northern ireland and as the wind picks up strength, it's a sign of things to come. low pressure on the way. temperatures between 11 and 16 degrees is the picture for friday. gale force gusts of wind accompanying a slow—moving band of rain. quite unseasonable weather. more than an inch of rain, 25 millimetres, falling for some. across eastern england and north and east of scotland, largely dry with pleasa nt east of scotland, largely dry with pleasant spells of sunshine. this is bbc news, the headlines: after four days of brexit talks the eu's chief negotiatior says there remain fundamental disagreements and the uk must

clarify its position on a number of issues. there's been a 10% rise in recorded crime in england and wales, the largest annual increase for a decade. the usjustice department announces the shutdown of two "dark web" marketplaces that allowed thousands of vendors to anonymously sell illegal drugs and weapons. and it was william versus kate as the duke and duchess went head to head in a boat race in germany today with william taking first place. now for a look at the sport with leah boleto. royal birkdale is a more serene course this afternoon after some

rough conditions as the 146th open championship got under way this morning. there are plenty of stars and stripes at the top of the leader board but some other big names are struggling. let's go live to the course and join karthi nanaseagaram. karthi, what's the latest? still a little bit breezy here, but the weather is much better. everyone has gone through and we are on the fourth hole. the last few groups are finishing off on the back nine now. we have got a decent leaderboard at the moment. the top names are american. jordan spieth is at the top of the leaderboard, tied with brooks koepka and matt kuchar. they are in the clubhouse now whilst matt kuchar is still out on the course on the 16th hole at the moment. jordan spieth has 12 major titles already in the same year in 2015. brooks koepka came here on the back of his

us open win and is trying to win back—to—back major championships. matt kuchar could go out into the front if he can get a couple of birdies now while he finishes off the rest of his round. let's have a look at how they are doing. matt kuchar has had five birdies, a brilliant front nine, which has put him into this position. he has still got a couple of holes to go, so he could take the outright lead and go above the others if he can play on the 17th and 18th holes. he is rivalling jordan spieth who got five birdies in his round, birdie three and a lovely round from jordan spieth. he has not had the best couple of years since he won those majors in 2015. he has said he is feeling like he is coming back into form. he was such a talent, still incredibly young and somebody people

expect to win a lot of majors. another player we have always expected to win a lot of majors after the four he has already taken, including the open title in 2014, is rory mcilroy. but he has had a terrible day and is on five over par after ten holes. he is tied for place 121 at the moment. the northern irish man not doing very well at the moment. he has not come into this in good form, he missed the cut at the irish open and did not have a great week at the scottish open. he said he felt his golf was not far away from being back to perfect, but it is not there at the moment. it is still a bit windy, but the sun is out and it is a lot calmer. he is still out there at the moment on five over. we will have more for you later in sportsday. with three stages to go, chris froome is still favourite to win the tour de france, but his lead has been cut by four

seconds after finishing fourth on stage 18. warren barguil of france claimed the stage victory. he looks set to win the king of the mountains competition for the best climber. froome fought it out with his rival romann barday at the finish and the frenchman claimed four bonus seconds forfinishing third. he's now 23 seconds behind froome in the standings, but the englishman is likely to be the stronger rider in saturday's time trial. rain has reduced the second semifinal of the women's cricket world cup to 42 overs per side. they're under way at derby where india have won the toss and are batting first against australia. a few moments ago india were 243 for 4 with an unbeaten century from harman preet. it is the fifth highest scorer in women's limited overs history. essex batsmen tom wesley will make

his england debut and he will bat at three at the oval replacing gary balla nce three at the oval replacing gary ballance after he broke his finger. that is all for now, i will have more for you at half past six. more now on our main story. one of the key sticking points in the brexit negotiations is the size of what's been called the divorce bill that the european union wants the uk to pay upon leaving. some eu leaders have indicated it could be as high as £88 billion, and they say no trade deal can be struck until the sum is agreed. our diplomatic correspondent james robbins has been looking at some of the issues including why there's a bill to pay in the first place. no nation state has ever left the european union before, so think of this as the first divorce in history. how on earth do you calculate a possible bill to be paid? the british government did

seem to concede last week that there would be a debt to settle. there was a statement in parliament last thursday that the uk has obligations from its eu membership which may have helped soothe a row with europe's chief negotiator after the foreign secretary, borisjohnson, said brussels should go whistle for the money. the sums that i have seen that they propose to demand from this country seem to me to be extortionate and i think "to go whistle" is an entirely appropriate expression. i am not hearing any whistling, just the clock ticking. so, how much does the eu want? well, the eu's chief negotiator has never, at least not publicly, put a number on the uk's exit bill, but unofficial estimates have ranged widely from £18 billion to about £88 billion, 100 billion euros. so how could that break down? what did the eu suggest the uk's obligations might be? well, the largest could be for eu

road, rail and other infrastructure projects that the uk has committed to. then there are investment projects in less developed regions, in rural areas, and forfisheries. and will britain have to pay a share of other long—term obligations, including pensions for eu staff who are british? this is not a complete list and all of it could be vigorously disputed from both sides of the table. if the british side is tough, expect at least equal toughness on the eu side, after all this is about money. let's take a look at the time line for the divorce negotiations. three rounds of brexit talks are scheduled now for august, september and october and then in late october at a summit in brussels the eu leaders will assess progress on the divorce issues. the eu side says it is only after they have judged that enough progress has been made, including on money, that they will allow for more discussion to begin on britain's post—brexit relations with the eu, including crucially trade. the reality in all of this,

there is no precedent to rely on, so expect little or no clarity until everything is finally settled, assuming that is even possible. let's discuss everything that has been happening in the negotiations this week. joining me now are professor anand menon, director of the uk in a changing europe, which conducts independent research into uk—eu relations, and from brussels mark demesmaeker, a belgian mep with the conservative nva party. good evening to both of you. to our guest in brussels first of all, i am interested in what you are hearing and what people are telling you, your sense of how the last four days have gone. well, what surprised us a bit is the apparent different

approach of the european side of the negotiating table and the british side. we all saw the photo and the photo says more than a thousand words. the negotiators well—prepared with a pile of papers on the eu side and on the other side the british tea m and on the other side the british team with no speaking nose at all, with no position papers at all. that was a bit surprising. i tried to read a bit in the british press and what we see more and more is a divided kingdom instead of a united kingdom. there is disagreement within the brexit camp. we saw mr cummings' remarks who branded mr davies as thick as mince and as lazy asa davies as thick as mince and as lazy as a toad. we see a lot of concerns

in the british press in the industrial sector, senior politicians who are warning of chaos. we seek a division in the family of nations with the public in scotla nd family of nations with the public in scotland opposed to brexit and in ireland with a return of a possible hardboard. this ireland with a return of a possible ha rdboa rd. this is ireland with a return of a possible hardboard. this is of great concern to all of us in europe. we look at ita to all of us in europe. we look at it a bit surprised in the way the british team is approaching the negotiations. i appreciate you are laying out there are some of the problems that might exist here in the uk, but nonetheless the people sitting around that table idea to do ajob, sitting around that table idea to do a job, they have got a mandate following a referendum, they are talking with michel barnier. they have to get on with the job. it is no good coming with those preconceptions and there is nothing to suggest michel barnier sits down with all of that in the back of his

mind. he was to get the job done, doesn't he? that is the problem. we doesn't he? that is the problem. we do not really know what you're mandate is and what the position is. we read a lot of different things about it. there is no clarity and there should be because it is utterly important, especially for my region in flanders where if there is no deal or a bad deal, we will be amongst the regions hardest hit. after ireland we will be hardest hit. you are our fourth trade partner. one in fourjobs in flanders depend on trade with the uk. it is very important we get a good deal that is as close to the position we have now. that means to make sure that we can trade in the way we are doing now with no import taxes, no trade barriers whatsoever. that is the job that should be done.

you can take political positions and you can play negotiation games and political games, but at the end of the date it is about the people and theirjobs and you have to make sure these jobs are not lost. professor, your take on what we have heard at the end of four days. we hear it was all robust. i wonder what your take is on that. i would be worried if they were not robust. it is a negotiation and we have two different positions and they will clash eventually. i have to say with all due respect to my belgian collie, yes, there are fun and games going on in our politics, but the photo of david davis is neither here nor there and we have a very well briefed team of civil servants behind this negotiation. the fact we have not revealed our position on the trade talks yet should be no surprise because we have not started them yet. we are doing a specific

negotiation about article 50 which is about ireland, money and citizens' writes. on those we are starting to contrast our physicians with a view to working towards an agreement. people following this might think everybody is getting hung up on a divorce bill, money that might be owed by the time we leave. we would not expect the uk who say we think the figure should bex who say we think the figure should be x because why would you publicly reveal what you think it might be? there are all sorts of issues. the notion of a divorce bill makes it sound like a charge for leaving. it is not. it is what we go through pre—existing commitments, what we might want to pay for for continued participation in eu programmes. it is not a fine for leaving, it is things that we owe all will go in the future. what we have to agree on is what those commitments are and it will be difficult because money is

always difficult. money leads to nasty rows. i think the eu citizens will prove more of a problem than the money ultimately because of the european court of justice the money ultimately because of the european court ofjustice and its jurisdiction. a quick thought because liam fox has been talking about an implementation phase. is that in any way an acknowledgement that in any way an acknowledgement that this will take longer than we thought? what do you make of that language? the reason why people are talking about life after you the official brexit date in 2019 is we need our economy to adjust to the circumstance and realistically we will not have negotiated a trade deal by march 2019. we will need more time to get the trade bit done. a final thought. there has to be a deal of some sort. doesn't everybody going into this want a good deal? i know you painted a gloomy picture,

but ultimately everybody wants a deal that tries to help everyone as much as possible, don't they? absolutely. and we need a spirit of compromise to reach that deal and the compromise has to come from both sides. we both have to cross the bridge, from the european side as well as from your site. we have to make this deal for the people. well as from your site. we have to make this dealfor the people. a well as from your site. we have to make this deal for the people. a lot depends on it. it isjobs, companies, businesses, who depend on that. very good to talk to you both. we could talk much longer, but we have several years to do that. we will speak again i am sure. we will speak again i am sure. this is bbc news at 5, the headlines: brexit secretary david davis and the eu's michel barnier have outlined progress made in their latest round of talks. mr barnier says there remain fundamental disagreements and the uk must clarify its position on a number of issues. there's been a 10% rise in recorded

crime in england and wales, the largest annual increase for a decade. two "dark web" marketplaces selling drugs and weapons are shut down by the the usjustice department. an update on the market numbers for you, here's how london and frankfurt ended the day. and in the the united states this is how the dow and the nasdaq are getting on. we were hearing from conservationists in zimbabwe that a son of the line named cecil, which was controversially shot in 2015, has also been killed. this lion was

called zander and he was shot by a game hunter. it appears he was legal game hunter. it appears he was legal game and could be shot by hunters who pay tens of thousands of pounds to do so. they pay for the staff who protect other wildlife in zimbabwe international park. let's find out a bit more about this. will travers is president of the born free foundation. explained the notion that this can be legally done and what is your understanding of what has happened here. firstly, i am so shocked and horrified by what has gone on. let's deal with this issue of legality. it is legal to hunt lions in zimbabwe. there is a quota set by the government and people pay a large amount of money to undertake this activity to remove a lion, usually a male. the rule of thumb,

or the notional rule is that the animal must be six years old or older. you can tell this apparently through research by the colour of the animal's knows. if it is more than 60% black, the animal is more than 60% black, the animal is more than six years old. the reason it is set at that level by some people is because they reckon the animal will have fulfilled its genetic potential asa have fulfilled its genetic potential as a breeder and is therefore a sort of redundant. i happen to personally disagree profoundly with that because cecil himself was 13 and had very young calves at the time of his execution and zander was 6.2 years old, apparently, and so had potentially many years of successful breeding ahead of him. i do not think this notional and arbitrary

establishment of a six—year rule stands up to real—life scrutiny. but the wider issue is this, we have 20,000 lions left on the entire continent of africa. they are in freefall as a species, down from 100,000 individuals about 50 years ago. there are 7.5 billion people on our planet and we still think it is 0kfora our planet and we still think it is ok for a self—selecting, and by that imean ok for a self—selecting, and by that i mean wealthy, group of individuals, a tiny fraction of humanity, to go to africa and kill and remove from this planet animals that are under such pressure and under such threats and our iconic in as much as they represent all that is wild and free in the natural world. do you know how much people pay for this? well, it depends in which country you are operating and

whether the animal is a canned and, soa whether the animal is a canned and, so a lion bred in captivity with no chance of escape. you should that animal ona no chance of escape. you should that animal on a no kill, no fee basis, probably between £10,000 and £15,000, right up to £50,000, maybe more, for magnificent wild animals living in the wild who may have strayed out of protected areas such as the national park into communal areas where it is legal under the legislation of the country for them to be shot. i am sorry we cannot speak longer, but it is good of you tojoin us so speak longer, but it is good of you to join us so quickly. will travers, the president of the born free foundation. ten years ago, torrential summer downpours left large parts of the country under water, as the rain was followed by widespread flooding. thousands of people had to leave their homes. our correspondent phil mackie has returned to some of the worst affected areas, which included upton

upon severn in worcestershire. i don't think anybody who lived through it will ever forgetjuly 20th 2007. it was a day where people just got separated from their families, got stranded, couldn't get home, they lost their cars, their property and their homes. look at upton today. doesn't it look a pretty picture? they are gearing up for the annual blues festival but really if you go back ten years things looked very, very different. it was a day that no one who lived through it will ever forget. the ground was already saturated and itjust did not stop raining. every ditch, brook, stream and road was flooded for 30 miles in every direction. people couldn't get home, families were split up and the emergency services were stretched to breaking point. we had every single resource we have across 27 fire stations and at that time 43 fire engines, every single resource was deployed. i was thinking to myself, and i know the other senior officers were, i haven't got anything else to give out. everything we had was out on the ground, every officer,

every fire engine, every firefighter was out doing something in regards to flooding. all along the servern towns and villages were cut off. 10,000 homes and businesses were inundated. we have come a couple of miles down the river from upton to one of the many places that was flooded that day. this is the village of uckinghall and i remember coming to this house. it was flooded up to those first—floor windows and for a time you could only get into the village by boat. even though they were used to flooding, that day was exceptional. now it is protected by flood barriers, but ten years ago it was not. we got caught out, it was just too quick. it was an extreme event that had happened before, but not in our living memories. in upton upon severn temporary flood barriers were stuck elsewhere and its historic waterfront went under water. now the town has permanent defences. we are light years ahead

from where we were in 2007 and it isn't just the flood defences, it is the way that we plan, the way that we work with the met office in terms of looking at the weather forecast well in advance, the way that we work with professional partners like the police and fire and local authorities, and the way that we issue flood warnings. they have all come on so much since 2007. the town is now much better protected but the event of a decade ago will not be easily forgotten. the river level at the moment is especially low, ironically ten years on. ten years ago it was five metres higher than it is now. the caravans you can see from this shot now were completely thrown about by the water. everything in this shot was under water at the time. in fact they actually had to redraw the flood maps as a result of those 2007 floods. it affected businesses at the time. luckily with all the festivals that take place in places like this they are back on the road to recovery. the duke and duchess of cambridge renewed their friendly

sporting rivalry earlier as they continued their three—day tour of germany. they took to the river in heidelberg, which is twinned with cambridge, to cox rival rowing crews from both cities. our royal correspondent peter hunt reports. they have been called brexit ambassadors, but few ambassadors become quite so involved. though in the case of the future king it is as well he is not looking for alternative employment. william and kate are here delivering one message about britain's ties to germany and presenting a united front. mutual affection was replaced by mutual rivalry once on water. a queen in waiting in one boat, her husband, the most elongated cocks you will ever meet, in the other. this was not a rerun of 1966 on water. the

teams were mixed from cambridge and heidelberg, men and women, no gender gap here. for two sports obsessed royals it was not the taking part that matter, it was the winning and it was the women's team that crossed the line first. i'm stuffy royals getting unstuffy and having fun is a passing distraction for two countries involved in a brexit divorce and helpful for the ancient institution of monarchy that does not want to appeared to remote. dedicated rowers and jobbing regal coxes on the podium. one day william will wear a crown. for now he has got a medal. he kept looking over and saying, we are gaining on them and saying, we are gaining on them and we have got this lead and making sure we were keeping ahead. you got the sense he was keen to beat his wife? absolutely, he said, we are going to win today. then at a heidelberg beer festival barrels do

not remain sealed for long. this friendship race ended well, borne me in brexit times. peter hunt in heidelberg. peter hunt in heidelberg. time for a look at the weather with chris fawkes. is it that sunny here? low pressure is swinging in, but we have not had flooding seems like this again. some nasty conditions yesterday from severe thunderstorms that fed on all the heat and humidity. that humid air has been pushed away by this alain dick front and we have got fresher conditions following. the radar picture shows the last of the rain clearing northern scotland and eastern england. showers for northern ireland, wales and the south west with some sunshine to go around as well. we have seen sunshine come out in the last few

hours. in the next few hours showers will ease away for a time in northern ireland, but it will turn wet for wales and northern england. overnight pulse of rain will work in from here. becoming dry overnight in northern scotland and eastern england. temperatures between 11—16. but this area of low pressure is not what we want to see in july. but this area of low pressure is not what we want to see injuly. it but this area of low pressure is not what we want to see in july. it will bring windy conditions to the western side of the country. for northern ireland, wales and the south west a blustery day coming up tomorrow driving this slow—moving band of rain in. for some areas there will be over an inch of rain. campers, take note, it will also be very windy. eastern parts of england and the north east should stay dry with some sunshine. for the golfers at royal birkdale it looks like we

will see some of that rain arriving later in the day and it will become quite blustery. this weekend further spells of rain, some heavy downpours and some drier slots, so it is not a com plete and some drier slots, so it is not a complete write—off. north—west scotla nd complete write—off. north—west scotland and south—east england do well in terms of sunshine, but there will be heavy downpours in wales and the south—west of england. further downpour as possible for south—east scotla nd downpour as possible for south—east scotland and temperatures are not far off normal. on sunday the low pressure m oves far off normal. on sunday the low pressure moves into the north sea and the showers will be widespread. some fairly brisk winds and temperatures between 17—23. wetter weather on the way tomorrow and at the weekend there will be rain and heavy downpours for most areas of the country on either saturday or sunday or both. new figures suggest it's up

in england and wales by 10%. recorded violent crime, including stabbings has increased by 18%. jamal boyce was stabbed last year and has been left in a vegetative state. his father expresses his despair. everyday i go to see him it is like i'm going to the funeral everyday. that is not him, that is how i rememberjamal, and it tears me up every time i see him. the figures coincide with home office data showing the number of police officers

at its lowest since 1985. also tonight. end of week two of the brexit talks. still no deal on eu citizens' rights and the divorce bill. how one in three of us could avoid dementia changes including more exercise.