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this is bbc news. i'm nicholas owen. the headlines at 8pm: the bbc‘s director general, lord hall says he'll go further and faster to tackle the pay gap, as more than a0 female presenters sign a letter demanding the corporation tackle the issue. there's been legislation about all this since 1970. it's got to stop and we've got to do something about it really really quickly. a 20—year—old man has died after being confronted by a police officer in a london shop. regrets about a final phone call. 20 years after the death of diana — william and harry open up about the relationship with their mother, in a documentary marking the anniversary of her death. the british cyclist, chris froome, is crowned winner of the tour de france for the fourth time in five years. also in the next hour: victory at lords for england's women at the cricket world cup final. in a nail—biting finish, the lionesses beat india with only nine runs to spare. and the travel show team visit hong kong to see how the famous pink
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dolphins are being affected by the fast pace of development. good evening and welcome to bbc news. the head of the bbc has said he will ‘value the contribution‘ of more than a0 senior women, who signed a letter demanding the corporation tackle its gender pay gap. lord hall says work is already under way to address the pay disparity. his comments come after some of the bbc‘s most prominent women broadcasters, including claire balding and fiona bruce, wrote an open letter to their boss demanding ‘immediate action‘. the labour leaderjeremy corbyn said the pay gap was "appalling". our media correspondent david sillito reports. alexjones of the one show,
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mishal husain and sue barker, more than a0 of the most famous female presenters at the bbc, calling on the corporation to act now to end its gender pay gap. good morning, friends, thanks for tuning in... that list was the trigger for the letter today, publishing the bbc‘s highest—paid stars. in the top 20 names was only one woman. the best paid men were being paid more than twice what the top women were earning. this open letter to the papers said that this week‘s annual report confirmed what many have long suspected, that women were being paid less than men for the same work. 0n the whole, i think it is fantastic that so many wonderful women have been prepared to put their head above the parapet. we got stick, we knew we would get stick, that was why it would never be an easy thing to do. but it isn‘tjust about, in fact
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it is not about getting whacking great pay rises for women who are already well paid. it is about pay parity and getting this for everybody. the letter today says that the bbc has known about the pay disparity for years, we want to go on record to call upon you to act now. women‘s hour... when programmes such as women‘s hour went on as 60 years ago, equal pay for equal work was a pressing issue. the fact it remains an issue despite law changes in the 1960s and 70s after pressures from the women‘s movement is a sign of how tough it is to find quick solutions. attitudes of their age and experience and authority affect the pay divide, but it is worth noting that in the top 20 there is not a single black or asian presenter. it comes at a time where the bbc is facing opposition over plans to change terms and conditions for the rest of staff, paid a fraction of what any star gets. the labour leaderjeremy corbyn says this taps into a wider issue
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of fairness and pay. this gender pay gap is appalling, we would insist on a strong gender pay audit of every organisation, and we would also look at a 20—1 ratio between the chief executive and lowest paid staff in every public sector organisation. in response, the bbc said today the overall pay gap there is 10%, less than the national average of 18% but it needed to go further and faster to close the pay gap. the director—general said he is confident that next year‘s figures will look very different. david sillito, bbc news. joining me now is professor lis howell from city university london, she‘s a journalist and who‘s worked for the bbc, sky and itn, and has conducted research on women in broadcasting. before we get on to talk about the bbc case yet again, it must be said,
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this is an industrywide thing, is it not? absolutely. this is the tip of the iceberg. throughout the broadcasting industry there is a bias against women, that is obvious. interestingly not yet flagged up, the actual number of women you see on screen, on air, it‘s really quite limited compared to the number of men. if you look across the border all programmes, it‘s notjust the rich ones at the top, being annoyed because they are not paid enough. absolutely everybody involved in broadcasting is affected by this discrimination, particularly contributors on air. if you look at some of the programmes you see on all sorts of channels, you will a lwa ys all sorts of channels, you will always find over a 2a—hour period that there is a dominance of men, contributors and appearing generally. there was a newsroom behind me here. if you look in there, it seems to be more or less uneven balance, so it is rigged on screen, that‘s the problem? uneven balance, so it is rigged on screen, that's the problem? there are two problems, on—screen in topical and factual programmes in daytime television, that has more men than women. also at the entry
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level in newsrooms you have an equal number of men and women. but as time goes on, the women‘s position is eroded and the men become dominant. that is something needs to be looked ata that is something needs to be looked at a quite a deep level. there are all sorts of competitive reasons for that. to some extent, even the boys at entry—level tend to have a slight advantage. people recruit in their own image. it has got to be looked at right through. at the moment we are slightly distracted by the heavy hitters, the big earners, and it is really awful that they should be disseminated against but this is something that is much deeper problem. how does the bbc go about addressing this? there was talk of lord hall saying he will move fast and so forth. beyond giving a huge pay rise to women, what can he do? is it going to start cutting pay for lots of men? do you think that‘s realistic? i do. james purnell said that. it‘s not an issue of cutting... james purnell being the head of radio that the bbc, and former head of policy. you can
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recalibrate it because a lot of these contracts are negotiated on these contracts are negotiated on the year by year basis. we do have some very fierce and aggressive agents who run a, perhaps i should not say iqbal, but it is tempting to say a kabbalah. but rather they tend to negotiate for their stars and they are very sensitive about nondisclosure agreements. it‘s difficult to find the line you should be paying the bill. now it has been broken 0pel. that is nothing but a good thing. so negotiations can start again, people will be negotiating at the end of the year the two years. in ordinary hr there are something called red circling by people who have been paid possibly unfairly for historical reasons red circled the company has an obligation to try to that right. i think that will happen. there are some negotiations that can happen right now with contracts who are, women can get more money, they may even be able to
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ask for retrospective fair pay. that would be an interesting one. in the end, it‘s not going to amount to that much money for the women. if the men are reduced, their pay is reduced, over a few years than i can only be a good thing in terms of fairness. you have female students among your courses, do you think you can say to them as they sit there, do not worry, by the time you get into the business in a few years, this will be a thing of the past? you are kidding. i can‘t say that now. 0verall, you are kidding. i can‘t say that now. overall, the wholejournalism profession, media, it will take a long time. i think it is brilliant that this has started now. it‘s brilliant that tony hall has reacted as quickly as he has, and what i think is really brilliant is that these women have got together and are providing a united front. in all my time working in tv and negotiating peoples pay, it‘s always been a question of divide and rule. this time, they are working and that is fantastic. thank you very much. and we‘ll find out how this story — and many others — are covered in tomorrow‘s front pages.
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at 10:30 and 11:30pm this evening in the papers — our guests joining me tonight are author and broadcaster, natalie haynes and rob merrick, deputy political editor at the independent. a 20—year—old man has died in east london, after a confrontation in a shop with a policeman. cctv footage has emerged of the officer wrestling the man to the floor, in the store in hackney, early yesterday morning. our home affairs correspondent daniel sandford reports from hackney. the moment when rashan charles ran into his local late—night shop in the early hours of saturday morning, pursued by a police officer. at first, the arrest was calm but then the officer threw him to the floor and grabbed him around the neck. later, he was joined by what appears to be a plainclothes officer. just over one hour later, rashan charles was declared dead at the royal london hospital. the independent police complaints commission,
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which is examining his death, says an object was removed from his throat at the scene. as the cctv from the shop was viewed on social media by people in haggerston, there was a growing collection of flowers and candles today, and growing anger. pauline pearce, who became well—known for chastising rioters on camera in 2011, told me that she knew rashan well. he should be alive today, sitting in a cell somewhere able to tell his side of the story but instead he is laying in a morgue waiting for an autopsy, and waiting to be buried. we‘ve got to pick up the pieces, the community has to pick up the pieces. many people visiting the shop and the neighbouring barbershop were clearly upset. i am angry, i am sad. i feel for his family and mother. i know him personally, it is disgusting. the death follows a similar incident last month, also in east london — there is growing anger here that
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young men are dying during arrests, even when no weapons are involved. prince william and prince harry, have spoken candidly about their relationship with their mother, princess diana, in a documentary marking the twentieth anniversary of her death. they describe her sense of fun, but also speak of their regret that their last conversation with her, was a rushed phone call. this is the first time we have ever spoken about her as a mother. arguably a bit too raw until this point. it is still raw. not many days go by that i don't think of her. 0ur anniversary year does a good time to remember all the good things about her, and hopefully
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provide a different side to how others have seen her. let‘s speak now to des sweeney, he‘s a former chef for the royal household, who joins now from nottingham. the inevitable question to you has two b, did you meet the princess very ofte n ? two b, did you meet the princess very often? what did you make of her? the princess was lovely. very calm. very polite and helpful. really such a lovely person.|j calm. very polite and helpful. really such a lovely person. i don't know how you would meet her. she would be out eating your food i would be out eating your food i would have thought, rather than talking to you about it, but did she talking to you about it, but did she talk to you? yeah, she would cry often come into the kitchen after the event was held, thank us for lunch, it was lovely, or what are we having tonight or tomorrow? more in the smaller palaces, balmoral, or sandringham. when she was away from london. a bit more relaxed, a bit
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less pressure on everybody. we are thinking now, it is 20 years, unbelievable to some of us, since she died. people have been going over their memories, what are your main memories of her? what would you say when people say, think about her now? she wasjust a lovely person. she was a young mum at the time. she was enjoying her life, enjoying her young children. interested in food, she had a bit of a sweet tooth. as a lot of young mums well. she was just really friendly. down to earth, young lady. did you have favourite dish you would do for her, or if concoction? not so much but she did like to come down to the kitchen in the afternoon and have the odd cream ca ke the afternoon and have the odd cream cake orscan, the afternoon and have the odd cream cake or scan, that was kicking around. she had quite a sweet tooth in the afternoon. what about the relationship with her sons, were you aware of that? of course there were small then. did you see much about?
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they were very young at the time. as i say, we would see them at sandringham balmoral, with the whole family together. having a nice relaxed august away from the day—to—day job and relaxed august away from the day—to—dayjob and stuff. relaxed august away from the day-to-day job and stuff. and the boys? what did you think of them? lovely little boys, playing with tigger, prince charles‘s dog at the time. enjoying the fresh air and the countryside. are you surprised that the princes are now speaking, a p pa re ntly the princes are now speaking, apparently so frankly about their relationship with their mother, their memories of their mother? well, fair play to them. give them a lot of credit, it‘s an emotional time. it‘s not going to be easy to do it in the whole glare of the media. but it is 20 years. everybody should be very proud of them, it‘s going to be emotional time. indeed. thank you very much. at least one person has been
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killed in a shooting at the israeli embassy injordan. a security source said that the dead man wasjordanian, and that an israeli citizen had been seriously wounded. police have sealed off the heavily protected compound. sources would not comment on motivations behind the attack, but regional tensions have been heightened after recent clashes injerusalem. police in the us state of texas say eight people have been found dead in a lorry at a supermarket car park in the city of san antonio, in an incident they believe was linked to people trafficking. at least two of the victims were school age children. 28 other people were severely dehydrated and are being treated at local hospitals. san antonio is a few hours‘ drive from the border with mexico. the rules on blood donation are to be relaxed in england and scotland to allow more gay men and sex workers to donate. experts say there is clear evidence it is safe for those groups to give blood after abstaining from sex for three months, instead of 12. hiv charities have welcomed the changes. our health correspondent
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sophie hutchinson reports. with me is benjamin butterworth, a reporterfor pink news, the lgbt news website. let‘s go back to the history of this. it started with the aids issue, and new rules coming in then. remind us what they were all about. during the 1980s there was a lot of heightened sensitivity about gay men and the spread of hiv and aids. the government then introduced a rule which said that men who have sex with men would not be allowed to donate blood at all. it was only a couple of years ago that that blanket ban was removed. until, well, presently, there is a 12 month ban on people who have had sex with another man which is going to be released to 12 weeks on 2018. so effectively three months. what do you think? i think it is a great step forward. it was a real injustice that the idea that a gay
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couple who were in a healthy monogamous relationship would be banned from donating blood, while a heterosexual person who may have risky sexual activities would be free to go to the centre and donate blood whenever they wished to do so. ido blood whenever they wished to do so. i do not think that was fair and i do not think it was based on evidence. the argument for a long time as the gay men are a high risk group of being hiv positive. it remains the case that more gay men are hiv positive than heterosexual men and women, for that matter, but the evidence has shown that actually we can now assess whether a blood is contaminated a lot better than we could have a few years ago. i think it isa could have a few years ago. i think it is a great step forward but it still frustrates me that there is this three—month prohibition period. are you aware of gay men saying they wa nt to are you aware of gay men saying they want to be able to give blood? is this quite a live issue? absolutely. think news says all the time that we think this is unfair. we had that manchester bombing a few months ago and after it there was a shortage of couples of types of blood which they put out a request for. there were
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93v put out a request for. there were gay men in manchester going and wanting to do neighbourhood and they we re wanting to do neighbourhood and they were unable to do. people with the right blood type. i think is really frustrating. the idea that women have shortages of certain types of blood that sensible, respectable adults that take their sexual health seriously are being prevented from its just because of their sexual orientation. i hope that though progressing the three months is good, we will have no period at all. there is another issue around at the moment, a report coming out that seems to suggest changing gender is something that in future, people will be able to choose for themselves. again, explain what might be involve them what you think of that? so at the limit if someone wa nts to of that? so at the limit if someone wants to change their gender legally they have to wait two years. they have to go through a series of tests and see a psychotherapist and have counselling about that before they are allowed to do it. whatjustine greening, the equalities minister has suggested is that now people, if they say they are different gender to the one they were previously assigned, then they will be able to do that without going through that two—year process. i think that‘s a great step forward. it reminds me
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not long ago when people would say toa not long ago when people would say to a gay person, it‘s a choice, you have chosen to be like this, why can‘t you choose something else? gender isjust the can‘t you choose something else? gender is just the same. some people are born appearing to be male and actually they have always identified asa actually they have always identified as a woman. i think it is great, it‘s the great thing about britain that he will be able to identify their gender without having to go through all sorts of deeply personal tests that make them feel uncomfortable. thank you very much indeed. the headlines on bbc news: the bbc‘s director general, lord hall says he‘ll go further and faster to tackle the pay gap, as more than a0 female presenters sign a letter demanding the corporation tackle the issue. a 20—year—old man has died after being apprehended by a police officer in an east london shop. he‘s been been named by his family as rashanjermaine charles. prince william and prince harry, have spoken candidly about their relationship with their mother, princess diana, in a documentary marking the twentieth anniversary of her death. sport now, and time for a full
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round up from the bbc sport centre. good evening, thanks forjoining us. lots of british success to bring you tonight, let‘s start with cricket... where after a day of pure drama at lord‘s, england women have beaten india to win the world cup. this had everything — a sell—out crowd, suspense & a brilliant team performance by england to turn the match around. david 0rnstein has more. there was a time when women‘s cricket barely even registered with many sports fans. now you can‘t keep them away. almost 27,000 would fill lords, millions more watching around the world. only a match, yet so much more. england won the toss and opted to bat. the loss of sarah taylor handed india the impetus. if this was an advert for the women‘s game, natalie sciver was providing the promotional material though elsewhere runs were in short supply and, even when england looked to kick on, moments of indian magic
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checked their momentum. chasing 229 to win, india looked to be cruising and, at one point, needed just 38 runs with seven wickets in hand. but england dared to dream and clawed their way back from a seemingly irretrievable position. alex hartley and anya shrubsole did the damage, shrubsole taking six wickets in a devastating spell that broke india and guided england to glory. a breathtaking end to a truly groundbreaking tournament. david 0rnstein, bbc news, lords. jordan spieth has won the open for the first time, after an exciting battle with fellow american matt kuchar. it was a chaotic final round at royal birkdale, but spieth held on to win by three shots. ben croucher reports. he started the day leading, finished it winning, and the bit in the
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middle... if only it were that simple. jordan spieth‘s three shot lead had evaporated by the time he reached the 13th, that is his ball in the south foreshore robbery. where to drop it? the trucks, the practice range, that will have to do. miraculously he walked with a bogey, out of the lead. another speaker final—round media meltdown. arnold palmer once said, success depends less on strength of body and more on strength of mind. when many minds might have been modelled, speed plasma unscrambled to work wonderful display. his tee shot at the next hole nearly went in. after that, that never looked like missing. birdie, eagle, two more birdies followed in the next two holes. he turns 2a on thursday with a third major title. the only other man two have done that, a certain jack nicholas. he won 18. and there was champagne on the streets of paris
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as chris froome sealed a fourth tour de france title. it‘s froome‘s third title in a row, & he did it without winning a single stage of the tour. the team sky rider is now second in the all—time list & said after the race that this "will be remembered as the closest and most hard fought" of his tour victory. scotland‘s chances of reaching the knockout rounds of the women‘s european championship look unlikely, as they lost their second match of the tournament. they did score their first goal at a major tournament though, when erin cuthbert levelled the scores at 1—1. but portugal got the winner soon after & 2—1 it finished. elsewhere in group d, england are taking on spain now. they lead 1—0, fran kirby with the goal. it is just it isjust coming up it is just coming up to half—time. that is all this book for you. i will have more in the next hour. not quite all the sport though...
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britain‘s chris froome has won the tour de france for a fourth time. froome crossed the line on the final stage at the champs—elysees in paris to secure his fourth tour victory in five years. victory puts him among the best riders in the history of the sport. with me is tony doyle, former president of british cycling. great achievement. four victories, but for the outsider of its a puzzling sport because he did not actually win any individual stage.l fantastic performance by chris. did not win a stage but it is the most consistent rider over the three weeks which counts. it‘s the same in formula 1. it‘s possible for a driver to win that by not actually winning a grand prix, but by finishing regularly in the top. consistency is the best rider. what do you make of him as a rider? as a rider he has proved himself amongst there with some of the all—time greats in cycling and sport as well. for a british man to be up there with the likes of daley thompson,
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steve redgrave, it‘s a fantastic achievement and for victories is amazing. in front of lots of crowds we re amazing. in front of lots of crowds were not particularly keen for him to win? take some doing, doesn‘t it? january the public are very supportive of chris, but the french aren‘t very sporting times. it‘s the greatest spectacle in france, it happens every year, and they have not had a home winner since 1985. they will be delighted with the players remember our day. they have a french man the podium, and he seriously challenged chris bosman victory. more importantly, we had the best young rider, simon yates. he finished six minutes behind. he is twin brother to adam who finished fourth last year. the yates twins will be a force to be reckoned with, and when chris comes to the time he hangs up his wheels, we have the yates brothers who will be out there chasing the yellowjersey. yates brothers who will be out there chasing the yellow jersey. but chris is not giving up yet by any means,
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at least a couple more in his sights? he is very committed. planning to hang around for some time yet. he will be chasing another couple of tour de france victories. it's couple of tour de france victories. it‘s a pity that his victory has been tainted by the problem is that his team manager has been in. and with the ongoing saga with bradley wiggins. that takes away some of his success , wiggins. that takes away some of his success, but overall, fantastic. he should not be tarnished by some of the misdemeanours that have been going on. there is a bit of a problem too, would you call it public image? the way he is seen in this country? he is not one of the sporting superstars, is he? you should be really. in terms of physical sporting performance is definitely should be. the trouble was that his british parents, he was brought up in kenya. they now live overin brought up in kenya. they now live over in monaco. he does not spend a great deal time here. he is still very much a british man, very proud,
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would be nice if he came back and raced on the streets of it more in great britain. and to see him on british tv? absolutely. injury much. —— thank you very much. a scottish man has been shot during a robbery hours before he was due to get married in the philippines. tarek naggar was outside a shop in cebu city when three men demanded he hand over his wallet, and was shot in the chest when he refused to give it up. the aa—year—old from milngavie in east dunbartonshire, has undergone surgery for his injuries and remains seriously ill in hospital. more now on our top story, the letter by more than a0 senior bbc women broadcasters demanding immediate action by the corporation to tackle its gender pay gap. jane garvey, the radio a presenter, said it wasn‘t about more money for well—paid people, it was about pay parity. the reason for the letter is obvious. the figures that came out last week back up something that a lot of us have suspected for a long time. somehow seeing it all in black and white just made a load of people, notjust women,
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think, hang on, what? 2017 and there has been legislation about this since 1970. it has got to stop and we have got to do something about it really quickly. how easy was it to get your colleagues on board ? it‘s been an interesting 36 hours of my life. i have had a great deal of help, far from a solo project and i want to thank everyone who has helped me because they really have. some people were more enthusiastic than others. some people took more persuasion but on the whole i think it‘s fantastic that so many wonderful women have been prepared to stick their heads above the parapet. we have got stick, we knew we would get stick, that is why it was never going to be an easy thing to do but it is not about getting whacking great pay rises for women who are already well—paid. it is about pay parity and getting fairness for everybody. joining me now via webcam from north london is sam smethers,
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the chief executive of the fawcett society, which campaigns for gender equality. first thing to ask you this evening, you must have spent the last few days pretty horrified by what you have been reading. well, yes. horrified but not that surprised. what we were shocked by really was the scale of it. and the differences that were quite dramatic, between those at the top and those further down that list of 96 high earners. as jane down that list of 96 high earners. asjane said, down that list of 96 high earners. as jane said, this is not only about those at the top, this is about eve ryo ne those at the top, this is about everyone at the bbc. this is about women throughout the organisation getting a fair deal. and finally realising pay parity. because of course a lot of the names we see our either very prominent people in the news side, but also prominent show business type people. very difficult to gauge their pay whether they are
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men or women, isn‘t it? so much negotiation goes on in the background. there are agents in there. it‘s a tricky area, isn‘t it? of course it‘s tricky. 0ne there. it‘s a tricky area, isn‘t it? of course it‘s tricky. one of the challenges is usually don‘t have the transparency, it‘s all done behind closed doors in secret. that is what has been blown apart by the bbc publishing pay information last week. what anyone would be looking at, and what our lawyers about, is saying is this objectively justified? saying is this objectively justified ? can you saying is this objectively justified? can you look at these differences at the bbc and justified? if you can‘t, and if you have a concentration of women at the bottom and men at the top, as we do in this case, then there is a real strong argument to say, that looks a bit like pay determination. that‘s why the bbc has two address it, because it could be on the wrong side of the law here. it's a publicly funded body, said taxpayers are being told what money is being

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