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hello — it's thursday, it's nine o'clock, i'm tina daheley in for victoria, welcome to the programme. mental health patients across the uk are spending years in treatment units awaiting discharge, according to figures obtained by the bbc. i used to see other people, like, leaving before me and i'd be, like, "yeah, but i've been ready a long time, and i'm more equipped." but they seem to get out quicker. we'll have all the details and ask why this is happening. one of the uk's major courier companies tells us they're taking action to protect their moped riders from acid atttacks. it's keep burning on my face. i was just knocking on the window of a few cars, i was just knocking on the windows. they're not opening because probably they were scared. i was really scared, i don't know what to do. i came running like a crazy. we will show you the full report in 18 minutes. —— in a few minutes.
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and rugby legend jonny wilkinson is live in the studio to talk about his career and how his performance coach changed his life. hello. welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. we're also talking about foster carers this morning and asking if they should get the same pay and employment rights as other professionals. if you've fostered children, is this something you'd support, or is it wrong to think of the role as a ‘job‘ in the conventional sense? and keys that are causing delays at european airports this summer, there's a warning this morning that there's a warning this morning that the situation shows no sign of improving. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.
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our top story today. there are fresh concerns about the state of mental health care across the uk. a bbc investigation has revealed that some patients are waiting more than three years to be discharged from hospital, despite being medically fit to leave. figures, obtained through freedom of information requests, show that at least five patients waited more than 1,000 days. hundreds of others have been waiting for more than six months. the government says the nhs is investing hundreds of millions of pounds to treat mental health patients in the community. 0ur social affairs correspondent, michael buchanan, reports. i enjoy doing collages. it helps when i'm bored or anything and i haven't got anything to do. toni shows me round her home, where she lives with five other people in supported accommodation. the 32—year—old suffers from schizophrenia and a personality disorder. she has spent almost half her life in psychiatric hospitals. she moved here last year, though, and loves it. but arguments over who should pay for her care means she spent months longer in hospital
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than she needed to. i would see other people, like, leaving before me. i would be like, yeah, but i've been ready for a long time. i'm more equipped. but they seemed to get out quicker. many psychiatric patients would recognise toni's experience. we've discovered that at least five patients waited more than three years to be discharged. nearly 100 waited more than a year. while more than 200 spent six months longer in hospital than they needed to. often, people are in a revolving door of hospital placement, and then a failed community placement, because that step is just too significant. so, by providing a comprehensive package of support, we hope to break that cycle. the complex where toni lives is is provided by a national charity the complex where toni lives is provided by a national charity who say there aren't enough similar units. moving out of here and into here? yeah, definitely. toni says she will soon move
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into a small bungalow on the complex, a further step towards rebuilding her life. too many mental health patients are being denied a similar chance. michael buchanan, bbc news. speaking to the bbc a little earlier, dr arpan dutta from the royal college of psychiatrists explained why health services are struggling to discharge patients. these services are quite fragmented, i suppose. that needs developing, in terms of integration of services. there is a big divide between health and social care. and, in a lot of placements for people are jointly funded. in my work, it is linking up with social workers, and with other professions, trying to identify appropriate placements for people. i suppose it is finding the right placement for the right person, and thatis placement for the right person, and that is often creating a delay. ben brown is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. good morning. children from the very poorest
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families in some parts of england are continuing to fall further behind at school. the education policy institute says by the end of secondary school, the most disadvantaged children can be two years behind their peers. the government says it's directing an extra £72 million into areas with low social mobility. jessica parker reports. it starts in primary school and widens in the years that follow, the attainment gap between poorer and wealthier children. now, for some disadvantaged kids, that gap did close slightly over the last decade. but when you look at the very poorest children, it didn't. the report calculates that by the time they sit their gcses they're two years behind. but the picture does vary nationwide. you can speculate that funding would be a factor in certain parts of the country. we know that aspirations are quite important, and cultural expectations as well. so, i think all of these things will be having — and more —
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will be having an influence. disadvantaged children are more likely to earn less in future and suffer bad health. put simply, it leads to wasted potential. the department for education says there is over £2 billion this year to support schools in this area, and money to help young people in so—called social mobility cold spots. today's report acknowledges there has been progress overall but the conclusion — it's far too slow. if the rate of change over the last decade continues, the study says it would take a staggering 50 years before the gap is closed. jessica parker, bbc news. the venezuelan president, nicolas maduro, has dismissed allegations of fraud in the country's controversial elections on sunday. a company based in london responsible for providing the voting system — has claimed electoral authorities inflated the turn—out figure by at least1 million. the opposition has called for more mass demonstrations. a cot death charity has said that it
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will no longer endorse the use of finnish—style baby boxes, designed for newborns to sleep in. the cardboard box — filled with baby products and a mattress — has been connected with low infant mortality rates in parts of scandinavia. they're now given out to some new parents through the nhs, but the lullaby trust warns there is no evidence that they reduce the likelihood of sudden infant death syndrome. more than 200 buildings have failed fire safety tests, implemented in the wake of the grenfell tower fire. in the second in a set of six tests ordered by the government, 100 high—rises failed to meet current regulations. the bbc has learnt that cladding and insulation panels failed the test within seven minutes of being set alight. the chris evans‘ breakfast show on radio 2 has lost almost half a million listeners in the past year, according to the latest figures from the research body,
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rajar. just over nine million people tuned in every week in the second quarter of 2017, compared to 9.4 million in the same period last year. bbc radio 4's today programme has seen a surge in listeners, with 7.6 million people tuning in a week in the second quarter of the year. elsewhere, nick grimshaw‘s breakfast show on bbc radio 1 added more than 350,000 listeners in the last quarter, drawing in 5.5 million weekly listeners. the uk has become a nation of ‘binge watchers‘ according to research from the media regulator 0fcom. new research suggests eight in ten adults now view multiple episodes of their favourite shows in a single sitting. though most of us still watch at least some live tv each week. the food delivery company deliveroo has told this programme it's bringing in new safety measures to protect drivers from attacks. it follows a wave of moped crime
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in london and horrific acid attacks where delivery drivers have been victims. around a50 acid attacks were recorded by police in london last year. the company says it's to introduce measures including the ability for drivers to report unsafe areas and trialling the use of helmet mounted cameras. health warnings are in place across europe as temperatures reach potentially dangerous levels. a record—breaking heatwave is currently affecting swathes of the continent — from romania to spain and portugal. sarah corker has more. as much of europe sizzles, just what is the best way to keep your cool? an almost continent wide heatwave has pushed temperatures above a0 celsius, breaking records, and sending people and their pets looking for cover. in austria, the elephants at vienna zoo took to the pool to cool. the city's horses had
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to go home it was so hot. 0thers, though, weren't quite so lucky. the heat is centred on italy, it's experiencing its worst drought in 60 years. rome has started to ration water. 11 of its 20 regions could soon declare a state of emergency. it is unusual to see temperatures above a0 degrees across such a large area but in packs keep coming from this with water shortages, power cuts in places but heat implications as well, with old people and those with existing health conditions really suffering in temperatures like this. after last week's wildfires in france, firefighters remain on stand—by. with dry conditions, risk of further fires is high. in southern spain, forecasters described the weather as extreme. a high of a7 degrees is expected in cordoba. plumes of heat are pushing towards
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the balkans, in romania ice cream wasn't the only thing melting. but, work must go on. translation: we are drinking a lot of water, we take more breaks and cut the working schedule. we work eight hours a day. in neighbouring hungary, this steam gate helps people to cool off. translation: when we go out, we put hats on the kids, factor 50 suncream on them and we try and stay in the shade. and, the advice is to drink plenty of water, and despite the leader of the mediterranean sun, sea and sand, stay indoors during the hottest hours of the day —— lure of the mediterranean sun. sarah caulker, bbc news. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. later this hour, jonny wilkinson will be in the studio with me. send
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us will be in the studio with me. send us any questions you want us to ask him. he will be in with his performance coach who he says changed his life. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's have a look at the sport, and the story everyone is talking about, neymar‘s record move to ps6? it's a staggering amount of money. but it's the cash everyone's talking about. so let take a look at the numbers quickly — he'll be paid about 80 pence a second and i've just had a look at his twitter followers — he has 30 million so he's set to be paid six times that number. it is incredible. but is he worth it? you could probably buy four kyle walkers who joined man city for a5 million earlier this summer. he is a great player — he scored 68 goals for barcelona last season, he's pretty much a national hero in brazil where he was born and grew up and that's where i first saw him play at the world cup in brazil three years ago and i thought he was incredible
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but lots of pressure on his shoulders — he's just 25 years old. but while we're all flapping about the money there's one man who doesn't think the price tag is too bad. for 200 million, i for200 million, i do for 200 million, i do not think he is expensive. i think the fact that 110w is expensive. i think the fact that now you are going to have more players at 100 million, you will have more players of 80 million, and more players of 60 million... i think that is the problem. neymar is one of the best players in the world. always good value with jose mourinho. it's a story that's being reported all over the world — the papers are having a field day. and i wanted to show you a few... so in france the big headline there is — he arrives. meanwhile in barcelona it's hasta nunca — which basically means see you never or good riddance. here the ft are talking about the record transfer —
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and spanish newspaper mundo deportivo is looking at how barca may spend their little nest egg with liverpool forward phillipe coutinho high on their list — although the reds boss jurgen klopp says coutinho isn't leaving anfield this summer — even if the catalan side came in with an offer in the region of £100 million. a staggering amount of money on offer there. incredible sums of money, but meanwhile, the england lionesses are looking to reach the finals of the year is tonight? yes, a brilliant story. england's women are looking to make the final. they're taking on hosts, the netherlands. there's good news and bad news with england chances so get the bad news out the way first — they're missing two key players. so despite looking good in training here the lionesses won't have keeper karen bardsley — she's out because of injury replaced by siobhan chamberlain and they're also without midfielderjill scott. but the good news — they‘ re still the highest—ranked team remaining in the tournament. and their record is pretty good — they've won all four games so far, scored 11 goals and only conceded one. they'll be looking to go one
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better than two years ago where they were knocked out in the semi finals of the world cup. for chamberlain — she's ready to step up in the absence of bardsley. ifi if i can push kp as hard as possible, likewise with the rest of us, we possible, likewise with the rest of us, we can possible, likewise with the rest of us, we can push possible, likewise with the rest of us, we can push one possible, likewise with the rest of us, we can push one another to be the best. ultimately i want to be out there playing and if i can make other best she can be to stop myself, that's the best way. we do not want the misfortune of others to be playing but if it happens you have to grasp it with both hands. i've been around some good sports people, these players work as hard as anyone i've ever worked with or seen. as anyone i've ever worked with or seen. they are absolutely obsessed with being the best they can be. now they have these two skills in abundance, the sky is the limit for this group. all of the build—up and full commentary is available on bbc radio five live from seven o'clock. we will be watching, thank you. the very poorest schoolchildren
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are falling up to two years behind their better off classmates by the time they finish secondary school. that's according to a new report by the education policy institute. it's based on data from all state schools, and suggests that youngsters who have spent the majority of their time at secondary school on free school dinners — a key measure of poverty — are increasingly lagging behind in their attainment. the department for education says the attainment gap has narrowed over the past six years and £2.5 billion of extra funding is being invested in schools to help the most disadvantaged pupils. we can speak now to mandy harnetty. she's a single parent of four children. she works part—time but has had to rely on benefits to make ends meet. her youngest son is 17 and just doing his exams. and tash moriarty, head teacher of harefield academy in watford. she has done a lot of work focusing on helping disadvantaged children. i will start with you, four kids,
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single parent, you been on benefits as well. yep. tell us about the financial pressures you were put under. they are sort of universal to most people, but when you are on a very, very low fixed income, it is ha rd to very, very low fixed income, it is hard to budget, it is hard to make sure that you are providing for your children, especially things like educational trips. even down to things like good diet. paying all your bills. really bringing up healthy children is the most important thing. so how did that affect their attainment at school? i'm not really sure. my youngest son, who is 17 now, when he was doing his gcses in 2016, we got to the point where it was looking as though he wasn't going to be able to obtaina though he wasn't going to be able to obtain a seagrave in maths. —— a c
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in maths. i had to pay for a chuter. that cost about £60 per lesson, so i could only do that —— pay for a tutor. i had to scrimp and save to find that money, but i was amazed. he got a b. so it made a difference, but what i found really interesting was the fact that the tutor said it was the fact that the tutor said it was confidence. confidence. and i think that is a huge problem with children from underprivileged backgrounds, confidence. shouldn't that be taught in schools? is that what you were paying money for, essentially, to instil confidence in your children? no, obviously schools play a part in instilling confidence, but if you are in an environment where a lot of children have privilege, holidays, and you
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don't, you can't really connect with those kind of children. i don't know because i have never been a teacher, so because i have never been a teacher, soi because i have never been a teacher, so i don't know how teachers view children from different backgrounds. i don't know if it is something they can spot straightaway or if they feel maybe it is just too much hard work to help a child who is experiencing difficulties. it is a balance between home life and school life, but poverty at home can affect things like where you live. overcrowding. the pressures of the aduu overcrowding. the pressures of the adult at home are so great that maybe sometimes seeing how your children are doing kind of gets put to one side a little bit. do you think it makes a difference if other children from that school also from an disadvantaged background, or is
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it worse if they are not?” an disadvantaged background, or is it worse if they are not? i always feel that a school should be a really good mix, neither all middle—class children, or under privileged children. a mix is what you need as long as the children who are lacking confidence are brought up are lacking confidence are brought up to the level that the privileged children are. what are the kind of disadvantages children face in your school? amanda has picked up on them, there are some practical ones, access to resources, so them, there are some practical ones, access to resources, so if you are in an environment where there are limited advantages. the facilities of the home environment can impact. if there is overcrowding, as has already been alluded to, it makes it very difficult to find the right kind of space to affect homework positively. homework is a significantly important part of a child's development. we factor in a
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large portion of time that is required to reinforce the curriculum through homework time and if the facilities that a child has at home to complete that homework effectively are not up to scratch, it is very difficult for the child to succeed in the same way. some of those practical elements are very important. they are very characteristic of socially disadvantaged families and how gaps can be created through those areas. so for example funding music activities, arts activities, dance lessons, drama lessons, all of those kinds of creative activities and sports activities cost an awful lot of money. no question that they motivate a child, they add to a child's confidence, their aspiration and resilience. if you could capture into words what the biggest difference is between socially disadvantaged and advantage committed their natural resilience
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and aspiration. much of that comes from from home environment. mandy is a very important active parent who has supported her child as much as possible. families from a lower financially vulnerable background often would be there are generations within that family of low aspiration, that there is no history of anyone in that family aspiring of going to university or further education, and in that environment it is very difficult for children to break through to recognise a reason to want to aspire any higher. it puts an inordinate amount of pressure on schools to try and raise that aspiration. we have talked about the research already and what that shows. one of the main things it shows actually around disadvantaged students that they are mostly impacted by low aspiration and low academic self—concept, so if they believe is they are not going
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to achieve it is difficult to improve that. so you are saying it is down to low aspiration? yes, it is down to low aspiration? yes, it isa very is down to low aspiration? yes, it is a very complex matter, but low aspiration of the family for the child, low academic self—concept and belief in what they are capable of achieving and all of those have a knock—on effect in the class. it often manifests as a lack of confidence, a lack of emotional resilience in the classroom, an unwillingness perhaps to share experiences, to voice their opinions, having access to the right vocabulary to voice their opinions, those sorts of things. if as we are hearing today it will take 50 years to close that gap, what can be done to close that gap, what can be done to speed that up? the first thing to say is measuring that gap is key. 50 years to close that gap is largely based on statistics that report on payment as opposed to progress.
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there has been a move in the last few years to shift that and a report on student progress as opposed to student attainment. attainment is a threshold measure, there is no reason to suggest that children should be aspiring to a particular threshold, we ought to be looking to get them to progress within their capabilities. we need to recognise in closing that gap that it starts very young, the most damage is done in the first five years of a child's life, which is very much informed by what goes at home. as opposed to school. the other important thing to the standards that june from socially disadvantaged families, the gavern progress and attainment will grow much faster than those from advantaged backgrounds, and consequently once those gaps exist, if they are not address they will become wider, and the gap in the child's achievement will continue to grow. so it is very important first of all to go back and look at the parenting side and look at support that can be given to parents, and
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that can be given to parents, and that comes in the early years as much as it does in schooling. there needs to be an awful lot funding put into schools. one thing the pupil premium will be maintained at £2.5 billion, coming back to the point about parenting, what extra support would you need as a parent, would you be calling for? that is a really ha rd you be calling for? that is a really hard actually. i suppose for me i have always been puzzled where the pupil premium has gone, what exactly is that used for. so for example with my son having difficulties in attaining the c in maths. that was recognised from the school that he was on the sort of d scale, so why wasn't, say, the pupil premium used in sucha wasn't, say, the pupil premium used in such a way to help them? instead, he came home, they are saying he
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can't get a c, what am i going to do? and so i had to deal with that, i had to really dig deep, and i knew i could pay the three months. if i did not pay for that three months, and he didn't get a grade c, he would not have been able to stay on for his a—levels, and that could have had a huge consequence as it has gone on. so i am really intrigued as to what exactly pupil premium is used for. is it specifically targeted for the children who it was meant for?m specifically targeted for the children who it was meant for? it is supposed to go to individual children but the reality is it does not always but that is a whole other conversation. thank you for coming the department for education gave us the statement. coming up, england rugby legend jonny wilkinson will be live
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in the studio to talk about how his sporting coach transformed his life. after the grenfell tower disaster, 3,000 residents living in a building with similar cladding in the chalcots estate in camden were told to pack up and leave so urgent safety work could be done. six weeks on — the council says the work is complete and the blocks are safe. residents have now been told to return to their flats. but some have told the bbc that — despite millions of pounds being spent on the evacuation — the work that's been done is shoddy and incomplete and puts lives at risk. our reporter sangita myska can tell us more. what was the urgent work that needed doing? as you just mentioned, what was the urgent work that needed doing? as youjust mentioned, after the grand full disaster, the london fire brigade went into the charcot ‘s estate and carried out advanced safety checks the fire. four of those towers needed urgent internal work done in the communal areas of
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the flats to keep residents say. as you say, we all remember those pictures of all those thousands of people pouring out of their flats, given a few hours to pack up and find hotel rooms. what london fire brigade wanted was a range of measures to stop fire and smoke spreading from one part of the building to another. the aim obviously is to limit the risk of injury and death in the event of a fire. camden council say the work is complete, it has been signed off by buildings inspectors from two other councils may have been working closely with the london fire brigade. but residents i have spoken to say they are really alarmed by the quality of the work. they say it is shoddy, incomplete and poses a potential risk. you have been down there, what did you see?|j potential risk. you have been down there, what did you see? i was shown around one of those towers. i ought to say that camden council did ask us to say that camden council did ask us not to record inside. we went ahead. i was shown around by one
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resident around a tower called taplow. 23 stories high. he showed mea taplow. 23 stories high. he showed me a range of work at various residents believe is shoddy. let's ta ke residents believe is shoddy. let's take a look at the fire doors was to be can see seals, which are supposed to be fire and smoke resistant. i think we can argue that work is questionable since those seals only went upa questionable since those seals only went up a week or so ago. that fire door runs to the only fire stairs. it does not in fact shut. moving on to the staircases that that leads on to, if you have a look there, at the edge of each staircase you should have a working, fit for purpose black strip, a nonslip strip that i dearly can be seen in the dark. you can see it is very badly worn away. on those sets of stairs there were
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no strips at all, that was quite good compared to some of the others. let's move on to the front door of flats, should have been sealed at the top and the bottom and around that letterbox. on that letterbox there was no sealant at all. if you skip to the next photo, you can see at the bottom, when it comes up, at the bottom of that particular door, the bottom of that particular door, the gap was so big that i was able to fit my entire hand underneath. that is a close—up on another front door. that close is supposed to bang doors shut. when you run out, there isa doors shut. when you run out, there is a fire in your flat, the whole idea is that you will get your possessions, grab your kids and ran outside and hopefully the door will shut behind you. contain that fire. that was either missing or broking on several front that was either missing or broking on severalfront doors. i've shown these photographs to two experts, one was categoric, he says that he does not believe that this
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tower is safe to live in. he has gonein tower is safe to live in. he has gone in and he has done his own look around, that is his opinion. after these repairs have been done? after these repairs have been done? after these repairs have been done and signed off. then, the other expert told us as far as he was concerned, just looking at those photos, he believed the work has not been carried out to british safety standards. and what about the inside of the flats? this is really interesting, tina, when the enhanced safety checks were undertaken, it would appear, at least, they were not done on the insides of the flat. i was actually recording a piece for radio, and as we went around the building, we saw several issues. all of which are on bbc online, viewers can see the photographs and other issues. we were asked to stop recording, i was asked to go into someone else's flat, she asked me to
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go in she wanted to show me something. there was a room where electric cables come out the fuse box and electric meters. there were a lot of exposed cables, boxed in with cardboard. she alleges the boxing in with cardboard was done by camden council contracted electricians. take a look, the ca bles electricians. take a look, the cables run right into her ceiling. the ceiling, obviously, this is the ground floor of the tower. the ceiling obviously adjoins to the flat upstairs. this goes right to the heart of what the urgent works we re the heart of what the urgent works were about, which was containment. making sure that if a fire breaks out it is contained in a limited area, allowing people to get out. on the outside of these blocks, i should mention, all four blocks, is cladding which is very similar, not the same, but similar to that used at the grenfell tower and today we have seen that story about fire safety checks being undertaken for a second time. obviously, this is of
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great alarm and worry to some of the residents living there. in light of everything you have shown us, what has the response been from camden council and the fire brigade? we have put every one of these very specific allegations to camden council. we invited the council leader life, and i'm sorry to say she declined other invitation. the council said the urgent work was signed off and undertaken immediately, signed off from building control in two other london boroughs, lambeth and westminster, and they worked closely with the london fire brigade. thank you very much. still to come... a delivery driver tells us about the moment but as it was thrown into his face. and rugby championjonny wilkinson joins face. and rugby championjonny wilkinsonjoins us in face. and rugby championjonny wilkinson joins us in the studio face. and rugby championjonny wilkinsonjoins us in the studio in a few minutes time. send in any questions you want us to ask him. here's ben in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. thank you, tina.
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some mental health patients are waiting three years to be discharged from hospital, despite being medically fit to leave. figures, obtained by the bbc through freedom of information requests, show that at least five patients waited more than 1,000 days. meanwhile, hundreds more have been waiting for more than six months. children from the very poorest families in some parts of england are continuing to fall further behind at school. the education policy institute says by the end of secondary school, the most disadvantaged children can be two years behind their peers. the government says it's directing an extra 72—million—pounds into areas with low social mobility. the venezuelan president, nicolas maduro, has dismissed allegations of fraud in the country's controversial elections on sunday. a company based in london responsible for providing the voting system — has claimed electoral authorities inflated the turn—out figure by at least1 million. the opposition has called for more mass demonstrations.
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a cot death charity has said that it will no longer endorse the use of finnish—style baby boxes, designed for newborns to sleep in. the cardboard box — filled with baby products and a mattress — has been connected with low infant mortality rates in parts of scandinavia. they're now given out to some new parents through the nhs, but the lullaby trust warns there is no evidence that they reduce the likelihood of sudden infant death syndrome. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. more from me at ten o'clock. news — more at 10.00. here's some sport now with leah. brazilian striker neymar could become the world's most expensive footballer later today. he's expected to complete his transfer from barcelona to paris saint germain forjust under 200 million pounds. he's likely to earn three quarters of a million pounds a week. we're less than 11 hours away now from england's euro 2017 semi final against hosts holland.
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manager mark sampson says their mission isn'tjust to become the best team in europe — but the best team in the world. celtic are just one tie away from the group stages of the champions league. james forrest's strike helped the scottish champions past rosenborg last night. the draw for the playoff round will take place tomorrow. and, breaking news that has reached us and, breaking news that has reached us in the last few minutes. the former world heavyweight champion wladimir klitschko has announced his retirement from boxing. it had been expected that the a1—year—old would announce a rematch with anthony joshua, who beat him in april at wembley for the world heavyweight title. more on thatjust after ten. "a genius. he changed my life" — that's how england rugby legend jonny wilkinson describes his kicking coach dr dave alred. he's an elite performance coach — who started out teaching economics in a secondary school and ended up coaching some of the biggest names in sport — including golfers luke donald and padraig harrington, the england rugby team
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and british lions, the england cricket team and manchester city. dr dave alred has written a book called the pressure principle — which he says can help everyone manage stress and perform in their lives. jonny wilkinson and dr dave alred are here — and we'll speak to them shortly — do get in touch now if you do have a question you'd like to ask. but first let's have a look at some ofjonny wilkinson's most famous sporting moments? music: "bloodstream" by ed sheeran # i feel the chemicals burn in my bloodstream # so tell me when it kicks in # well, tell me when it kicks in
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# tell me when it kicks in. # jonny wilkinson is here — with his elite performance coach dr dave alred. do you ever get fed up of watching your best bits back?|j do you ever get fed up of watching your best bits back? i don't do it a huge amount any more to be honest! they are great things but not my best bets, as dave will allude to, the best bits are always to come. you describe dave as a genius who changed your life, why? and the bank during that time in my life, i was at the point, like a lot of people
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are, where they feel there is a limit, that they have reached a point where they cannot go any further. when was that? early for me, 16 or17, that further. when was that? early for me, 16 or 17, that was when the process started. i was after perfection, i reached a point where i was living accidentally. some days it was good, others it was not great. what dave did for me, he opened my eyes to space, space for improvement and space to move and to grow. that space, as dave will mention as well, is not out there, but it is in you already. itjust needs revealing. what you have uncovered is not your limit, and going beyond those is where everything in life exists. beyond what you think. dave began my journey to discovering that space and i've been on thatjourney ever since. it has been amazing. talk to me about that journey, since. it has been amazing. talk to me about thatjourney, when did you work withjonny?
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me about thatjourney, when did you work with jonny? and me about thatjourney, when did you work withjonny? and how much progress has he made since then? poo—mac the progress has been magnificent book the number one thing was when he turned up at the age of 16 at loughborough university, it was just a case of me thinking, ok, i had already got in my mind about wherever you are now, you can get better. it does not matter who you are. i started working then. what really impressed me was the intensity in which he wanted to get better. i think that intensity, you know, has beenjustly rewarded. it is a thing that goes on throughout your life, and in terms of the media, people are just looking at a playing career but, for me, it is well beyond that. it is just a question of, you know, i am here today. tomorrow i am going to be better. and, i
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here today. tomorrow i am going to be better. and, lam going here today. tomorrow i am going to be better. and, i am going to look back and see howl be better. and, i am going to look back and see how i have improved from last week. nearly anybody can do that in any walk of life. and, i think the other issue is, which is really important, is so many people focus on what they cannot do as a starting point. then, they try and look to improve that. i would rather focus on what you can do as a starting point. then, improve everything. dave, you say in your book that you believe jonny was a better rugby player in 201a and he was at the peak of his career in 2003. why? i felt bad when you work with somebody a lot, you see them in practice and you see what they do in games, there are certain things where you see a benchmark of improvement. i think that, statistically, he was, excuse the embarrassment here, but statistically a better player and more balanced player, and more able
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to manage what was going on around him. ifelt to manage what was going on around him. i felt that, by then, for whatever reason, we had really got onto the bandwagon, getting in what we call the ugly zone, working on and enjoying it. it sounds strange, to enjoy failing, but it is enjoying where you start making mistakes, and then getting better from that. i felt that the time in toulon, in my opinion, was long overdue, in terms of being in a different environment where you have control, and even to the last week, where we worked together in paris, we did something for the first time. it isjust the thrill of finding things that you can do differently and better at the margin. what did you do? new training ideas. what! margin. what did you do? new training ideas. what i was going to
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say is that when you are so sure of who you are and everything, and how life works, you are on a journey which is narrowing to a point. until 2003 i was so sure everything should be. going past that point, you have to make decisions. when you go on a journey going away from a point and into open space, it is about the ugly zone. anything that feels ugly and uncomfortable, it is normally outside of your journey. and uncomfortable, it is normally outside of yourjourney. even in the last week or last few days, we were looking at roles, ideas, for processes , looking at roles, ideas, for processes, fixes, feelings and preparations, to challenge what is there so when the day comes, you are in as big a space, spontaneous and creative, but also as focused and controlled as you could ever be. it is really a choice. that's the amazing thing. it can be a feeling of compulsion. this is how it has to be, it never has to be any certain way. i know it challenges people in so many situations but from the
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sporting perspective, you are ultimately the creator of your own parameters. and come easy live within them. if you do not like that feeling, you have to expand and break them and open them right up. what was the turning point for you? when did you realise, in your own life, sporting career or a combination of both, that you had managed to control how you were dealing with things, and dealing with the pressure? and, were co mforta ble with the pressure? and, were comfortable in how you were dealing with it? for me, it was nothing to do with sport. my work with dave within the sport was amazing, making so much sense the entire time. i was a pretty petulant child, sometimes, during some training sessions... he can give you many examples of that, i'm sure! but the actual moment for me came through mental health. that struggle there is a perfect way of understanding who you believe yourself to be and what you believe yourself to be and what you believe yourself to be is not real. that is
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the whole point, it exists in your mind as an identity to function as well. it is nothing to do with existentially who you are. if you confuse the two, you end up in a dark place and mental health gave me an opportunity and space between the two. they presented me with that in and around sport. i was not conscious of seeing it. because, dave was almost allaying the path for me. that mental health allowed me to see the path with my own eyes and that's why i appreciate him more than ever and i also understand the depth of what he was doing and what he has written about in his book. that consciously, when you look at it, it makes so much more sense at the time, i said it seems to work to keep going but that is what real coaches do. can you talk this through your approach, when it comes to elite athletes and the teams and individuals who have worked with, they are under a unique and immense
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amount of pressure in a very public arena. i think the problem we have is that sport team, and if you excuse, the media, and if the media is stories we tell ourselves about ourselves is always result driven, and results are outcomes, and once people start focusing on the outcome and lose the point of the process, in other words, you know, i teach you the process and we adhere to that process, no matter what. and it is getting people to understand that that's the key. that once we start worrying about the outcome of, then we are in trouble. and i think in anything you do, what is the process, what are the fundamentals? you might say to me, well, dave, if i was teaching you the goalkick, for example. well, we could try! there are no limits! if i teach you the goalkick, i might say keep your eye
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on the ball, and you might say to me ican see on the ball, and you might say to me i can see the ball but i can also see i can see the ball but i can also see the target and i'm worried about this and that. but if i say to you i wa nt this and that. but if i say to you i want you to see the piece of stitching on the ball, that becomes so engaging, that that displaces everything else. the minute i said to you instead ofjust hitting the target, i want to hit a spot in the middle of the target. consciously i lock you into that process, and practice is about looking into that process over and over again, so when it comes to the day of reckoning, it doesn't matter where you are, if you see the stitching and the spot, the ball goes over. ok, well, may be in your case it would. well, not all the time. so if it is a high—pressure situation, it is a world cup and you are taking that decisive kick, what is going through your mind and how do you approach that situation, with what you have learned from dave? as dave was saying about the outcome side
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driving the fear of failure and the anxiety and that side of it, it is impossible to commit to something you don't want to happen. so fear of failure might give you a motivation of sorts, but you cannot fully commit everything you have got something you don't want to happen, you can't protect and go after something at the same time. when you release it through excitement and passion, you automatically engage every pa rt passion, you automatically engage every part of you, so that whole thing becomes about a desire. a desire to make things happen, to put the ball on that exact area, to visualise it, to get excited about how good this can be. as soon as you open that space of positive proactive motivation, it becomes a process of acceleration that continues through the event and be on the event, and in any walk of life, and in any dictionary as well you will always see the definition ofan you will always see the definition of an event comes afterwards. even in the dictionary, there is the word and then the definition comes afterwards. a goalkick, it doesn't stop at the goalkick, life doesn't stop at the goalkick, life doesn't stop at the event can you continue beyond it and you make it inevitable. any thoughts about what
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may have. you are accelerating. it is the whole point of hesitancy. as it gets to the ball, it slows down, in golf, but as you accelerate beyond you define what happens before because you link it into a straight process, which is what they've is talking about. so that desire to go beyond has to come through excitement and passion. that is what happens in those events, you have define your own reason for the excitement and passion, how good could this moment be? not what happens it isn't. and then how do you deal with failure, which is overseeing an important part of that process. there is no such thing as failure. there is an unintended outcome, but there is no failure. that is interesting how the language, and jonny were saying about excitement and enjoying it, i think the problem we have is that if you look at a five—year—old, when they do something well, they enjoy it, they vibrate with excitement. they are reinforcing the behaviour they want to repeat. as adults, we
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tend not to, we are joe cool when it goes right, but when something goes wrong, there is a whole song and dance and a tantrum that goes with it. so we are in fact reinforcing the very behaviour we don't want. so, if you like, i the very behaviour we don't want. so, if you like, lam the very behaviour we don't want. so, if you like, i am trying to rekindle the five—year—old excitement in a way to reinforce behaviour want to repeat, and success and the ball going in the right place or the putt going in the hole, or the drive going down the ce ntre hole, or the drive going down the centre of the fairway, or whatever it is. you should enjoy it. and we tend not to. i think we have lost enjoyment. so it is almost stripping away that social conditioning, worrying about what people think and being in the moment?” worrying about what people think and being in the moment? i was going to say about the failure thing as well, now if i have a failure in my life, i love it, because if everything turns out as you expect, you cannot grow. if this interview you are doing now, if! grow. if this interview you are doing now, if i say every single
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word, and! doing now, if i say every single word, and i gave you a vision of how ever thing would turn outcome you might say that relieves my fear, but after two days you would say i don't wa nt to after two days you would say i don't want to do this job any more. i need that buzz that comes from not knowing. when you can get excited about the unknown, you get confidence will stop that whole point of the fear of failure is i wanted, i wanted, point of the fear of failure is i wanted, iwanted, i point of the fear of failure is i wanted, i wanted, i want everything that, the social side of it is that when you have confidence about the unknown, there is no you to battle with kamui just flow because the world is unknown, you are unknown, the two things flow together. when you have a known and an unknown, you have a big old fight and that is the story of rugby and any sport. most quys story of rugby and any sport. most guys want to know how it turns out before they play, and that is the feeling everyone talks about being unable to work it out and deal with the fear. we have a question which i can give you, from wayne, who is on twitter. he says he would like to know ifjonny and dave believes the theory that some stress is a good thing? if stress can be turned into
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excitement about the actual bars of achieving something you have never done before. then, wow, you know, go for it. i liken it a little bit too ifi for it. i liken it a little bit too if i was to teach you to do a standing long jump. if i was to teach you to do a standing longjump. kicks, nowa standing longjump. kicks, nowa standing longjump. kicks, nowa standing longjump! standing longjump. kicks, nowa standing long jump! laughter busy day. you would have to slightly change your shoes, and you clear, say, six feet on a carpet, and then i say right, there is a puddle six feet, there is not much of a challenge. but round the back there isa challenge. but round the back there is a garage that is 12 feet off the ground and a gap that is six foot andl ground and a gap that is six foot and i ask you tojump that, and you say, hang on a minute. and then i reinforce the process over and over again, and youjump reinforce the process over and over again, and you jump it, reinforce the process over and over again, and youjump it, the rush you will get from actually defeating what could have been a disastrous outcome is fantastic, and that's what you live for. i know what i
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doing after the show today then! yes. what i like about what they've is saying as well is if there is energy there, you can use it to go somewhere. you can't do anything without energy and drive. if you don't like something, or you really like it or you really don't like it, either way you've got energy there. it's the bit in the middle that is impossible to do anything with. if you have the person that is not really bothered, that you can't shift, but in understanding something with my hate to say much, that energy, that energy is your route, to do what you want with. it doesn't have to be stress. stress is friction. if it is just you and acceptance, there is a lot of flow there. it is very interesting, in your book you talk about the fact eve ryo ne your book you talk about the fact everyone is different and deals with situations differently. some athletes, sports men and women you have worked with need, almost thrive, on that feeling of fear and
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stress. you talk about someone you work with would always throw up before playing. i know who that is! yeah, but that's reallyjust... the irony of it is if i went into the loo with him and said ok, don't worry, you don't have to play, i would probably get belted. you see, so what it is, it is an exciting and excitement. if you look at anxiety and the physiological impact of anxiety, it is not far off massive excitement, and it isjust switching that. that is the key. i think that people when they say i'm nervous, my reaction straightaway is that is awesome. that means we are really going to go well today. at weekend, for whatever reason, think that nervousness and for whatever reason, think that nervousness and anxiety is a prerequisite to failure. we talk so much about anxiety now. loo macro very much so. we have another
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comment coming in, sally on twitter says loving this interview, so motivating and inspiring. there you go. people also want to know what is going on with you at the moment, and also your thoughts on commit has been a fantastic summer for women's sport, and the lionesses are taking pa rt sport, and the lionesses are taking part in the semifinal in the netherlands tonight. england women cricket team and wimbledon. what are your thoughts on the rfu's decision not to give the england women 15 side players a new contract? we were talking about this, dave and i about something else, not necessarily this, and saying that, and this is an interesting way of looking at it, when you asked me what we are up to at the moment, my drive is very much in deeper, deeper mental health journey that goes even beyond that. one of the things you can get caught out on, as soon as you think you know something, the error is
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compounded, and everything you say or do from that moment, the assumption of you think you know something. from that moment, everything you go down is an louisa reeve journey. it is everything you go down is an louisa reevejourney. it is better to everything you go down is an louisa reeve journey. it is better to start with i don't know, my first answer isi with i don't know, my first answer is i don't know what is going on with that agreement, i don't know what the people feel about it. if i am to make any assumption, whatever i say afterwards will be imaginary. i know this is getting away from the question, but when you start living in an imaginary world can you live your life irrelevantly. in an imaginary world can you live your life irreleva ntly. i in an imaginary world can you live your life irrelevantly. i know it is great to have opinions on things but actually freedom comes from saying you know what, i don't know, i don't know what i think about it. mostly because i have no idea what is going on. iam because i have no idea what is going on. i am not in that space. we would love everybody to have everyone the opportunity to do what they want, but there are people out there with budgets and decisions that i do know about. in that respect i would love to have that comment for you but i don't. ok. and we are out of time
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anyway. jonny, david, thank you for coming in. coming up, should foster ca re rs coming in. coming up, should foster carers get the same implement rights as other council employees? we will be debating the issue after 10am this morning. now the latest weather with carol. it has been very this morning. now the latest weather with carol. it has been very hot across parts of europe of late. yesterday's top temperatures, aa in sardinia, a3 in rome for example. there is a red heat warning out across sardinia, parts of italy, the brooklands and south poland, also looking at high humidity. that kind of weather is life—threatening. closer to home, sunshine and showers, some heavy, possibly than three with hail across northern ireland, scotland and northern ireland. further south, it ireland, scotland and northern ireland. furthersouth, it will rattle through quite quickly on a brisk wind across england and wales. here you are not likely to be as heavy or as frequent. through the course of this morning, we continue with that combination of sunshine
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and showers, the heaviest, some slow—moving ones across scotland, and pretty slow moving across northern england and northern ireland. whipping through on that win. in england and wales, you will find you will have sunshine, you might seea find you will have sunshine, you might see a shower and then the sunshine will come back quite quickly. the northern ireland and scotland, looking at that mixture of sunshine and showers, this morning's rain continuing to drift further north and the northern england again we are looking at some heavy showers. we won't all see one but if you catch one it will be slow—moving. south through the midlands, east anglia, essex and kent, down to the isle of wight, in south—west england and wales, the showers will be fewer and further between, not as heavy, some dry weather and some sunny spells. through this evening and overnight, we hang the windy conditions. a lot of dry weather but showers whipping in from the western wind, and the rain across northern england comes south across much of the rest of scotland. it is not going to be a cold night, temperatures 13 to 15
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celsius. tomorrow we start off with that rain in scotland, but through the day it will turn more showery in nature, still quite brisk winds in the north, showers coming into northern ireland, northern england as well. fewer showers for england and wales, a lot of sunshine, a lot of tri— weather, and if you get into the sunshine, out of the win, a high of 2a will feel quite pleasant. as we had from friday into saturday, a little ridge of high—pressure moves in but still quite windy across the north, so the showers coming in with that win. a quick look at saturday's forecast, the showers coming in, there will be showers across england and wales, this looks perhaps a bit worse than it will be, but in between there will be some sunshine, high is up to 21 and the sunday a lot of dry weather. hello, it's thursday, it's ten o'clock, i'm tina daheley in for victoria... one of the uk's major courier
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companies tells us what they are doing to protect their staff from acid attacks, as figures show the problem is on the rise... it's keep burning on my face. i was just knocking on the window of a few cars, i was just knocking on the windows. they're not opening because probably they were scared. i was really scared, i don't know what to do. i came running like a crazy. we will show you the full report in a few minutes. rugby legend jonny wilkinson tells this programme how his coach changed his life, both on and off the pitch. what dave did for me, at that point, he opened my eyes to space, space for improvement and space to move and to grow. that space, i'm sure dave will go on about it as well, is not out there, it is in you already. it just needs revealing. not out there, it is in you already. itjust needs revealing. what you have uncovered is not your limits. you can see that full interview on our website. england's women are just one win away from the final of euro 2017. they face the netherlands in the
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semifinal tonight. but does the female sport get the coverage it deserves? good morning. here's ben in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. thank you, tina. good morning. some mental health patients are waiting three years to be discharged from hospital, despite being medically fit to leave. figures, obtained by the bbc through freedom of information requests, show that at least five patients waited more than 1,000 days. meanwhile, hundreds more have been waiting for more than six months. children from the very poorest families in some parts of england are continuing to fall further behind at school. the education policy institute says by the end of secondary school, the most disadvantaged children can be two years behind their peers. the government says it's directing an extra 72—million—pounds into areas with low social mobility. the venezuelan president, nicolas maduro, has dismissed
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allegations of fraud in the country's controversial elections on sunday. a company based in london responsible for providing the voting system — has claimed electoral authorities inflated the turn—out figure by at least! million. the opposition has called for more mass demonstrations. a cot death charity has said that it will no longer endorse the use of finnish—style baby boxes, designed for newborns to sleep in. the cardboard box — filled with baby products and a mattress — has been connected with low infant mortality rates in parts of scandinavia. they're now given out to some new parents through the nhs, but the lullaby trust warns there is no evidence that they reduce the likelihood of sudden infant death syndrome. residents of a north london tower block have told the bbc that urgent safety work carried out in the wake of the grenfell tower disaster is either shoddy or incomplete. people living on the chalcots estate in camden were among about 3000 people who were told
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to leave their homes, with only a few hours notice, six weeks ago. the work was carried out by camden council, which has told the bbc it's now been signed off by building control at lambeth and westminster council. the food delivery company deliveroo has told this programme it's bringing in new safety measures to protect drivers from attacks. it follows a wave of moped crime in london and horrific acid attacks where delivery drivers have been victims. around a50 acid attacks were recorded by police in london last year. the company says it's to introduce measures including the ability for drivers to report unsafe areas and trialling the use of helmet mounted cameras. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.
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time to get a look at the sport now. the big rematch between anthony joshua and wladimir klitschko will not go ahead after the former heavyweight world champion announced his retirement. we had been waiting for confirmation of another fight between the two in las vegas in november but the a1—year—old has decided to hang up his gloves after 27 years. as an amateur he won gold at the atlanta olympics in 1996 before becoming the world heavyweight champion for the over ten years. he's thanked his team, family and fans for their support. brazilian striker neymar is set to earn three quarters of a million pounds a week when he completes a world record move from barcelona to paris st—germain forjust under 200 million pounds. it would make him the world's most expensive player with extras from sponsorships as well but there's one person who doesn't think the price tag is too expensive. for 200 million, i
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for200 million, i do for 200 million, i do not think he is expensive. i think the fact that you will have more players at 100 million, and you will have more players of 80 million, and more players of 80 million, and more players of 80 million, and more players of 60 million... and, i think that is the problem. because, neymar is one of the best players in the world. it's a story that's being talked about all over the world including in the papers. so in france the big headline there is he arrives. meanwhile in barcelona it's hasta nunca — which basically means see you never or good riddance. it‘ even being reported in the ft. and spanish newspaper mundo deportivo is looking at how barca could spend their little nest egg with liverpool forward phillipe coutinho high on their list — although the reds boss jurgen klopp says coutinho isn't leaving anfield this summer — even if the catalan side came in with an offer in the region of 100 million pounds. it's the women's euro 2017 semi—finals tonight england are taking on hosts, the netherlands.
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but they're missing two key players. the lionesses won't have keeper karen bardsley — she's out because of injury replaced by siobhan chamberlain and they're also without midfielderjill scott. but england are still the highest—ranked team remaining in the tournament. and their record is pretty good — they've won all four games so far, scored 11 and only conceded one. they'll be looking to go one better than two years ago where they were knocked out in the semi—finals of the world cup. i've been around some good sports people, but these players now, they work as hard as anyone i have ever worked with or seen. they are absolutely obsessed with being the best they can be. now they have those two skills in abundance, the sky is the limit for this group. that's all for now tina — more from us at 10:30. lear, thank you. let me read some comments coming in to do with our interview with jonny wilkinson. and his elite performance coach. dave on
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twitter says that wilkinson is such a role model and a top speech by the coach too. someone else says it is fascinating with johnny and his coach, not failure but unexpected consequence. you need passion and excitement. matt cassidy says jonny wilkinson and his coach dave talking so much sense about mental health and how to handle anxiety. great advice. and "focus on the things you can do and do it better, rather than the things you can't". and jackson moody says, great interview with jonny wilkinson on the importance of training within a zone of pressure, and mistakes, progress of process. thank you very much, keep those coming in. the food delivery company deliveroo has told this programme it's bringing in new safety measures to protect drivers from attacks. it follows a wave of moped crime that's hit london and horrific acid attacks where delivery drivers have been victims. around a50 acid attacks were recorded by police in london last year.
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it comes as the royal college of emergency medicine warns corrosive liquids are fast replacing knives as the weapon of choice for criminals and there needs to be more awareness about how to help victims. catrin nye has this exclusive report. london is currently in the midst of a moped crimewave. three weeks ago, deliveroo driver jabed hussain was the first victim in a series of five acid attacks in 90 minutes in north—east london. it's getting burned on my face. it kept burning on my face. i was just knocking on the windows of a few cars, just knocking on the windows. they're not opening because probably they were scared. i was really scared. i don't know what to do. i came running like a crazy. just running on the street like a crazy. in the last year, the met police recorded more than 16,000 incidents involving motorised two wheeled
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vehicles, compared with 5000 the year before. delivery drivers are scared. deliveroo says since the acid attacks more than 70 drivers have said they don't want to finish an order because of safety fears. and seven drivers have said they don't want to deliver in specific areas. so the company is adding new features. after i mark delivered, i get the opportunity to give feedback to the network as to whether the delivery went ok or didn't go 0k. so if i've had an incident where i've been concerned for my safety, i would hit the thumbs down. and i would choose the option here, safety concerns. and is this new? this is new. the safety concerns is new. and is that a direct response to the acid attacks and the mopeds thefts? so we have had delivery feedback for a few weeks now, so prior to the terrible attacks, but adding safety concerns as an explicit option is a response to those incidents.
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as well as that feature in the app, the company are employing new specialist safety staff, and will trial helmet mounted cameras for drivers in the london borough of hackney, so they can hand footage directly to the police. and also tried to deter attacks. hackney now has a reputation as a trouble spot. riders across the country need to have the right channels so they can communicate any kind of issues through. and currently, we have those in the form of the app, so they can communicate on an order if they have any kind of issue. and that is really important for us, but also i think it's important for the police. these cameras are just being trialled in hackney, whyjust there? why not protection elsewhere? any new technology, you need to test. you need to make sure it does the things it's meant to do. if it does, then absolutely, will take this across the country. deliveroo drivers are all self—employed, so not entitled to sick pay if they get attacked. they also all use their own bikes and mopeds to deliver. do you feel guilty at all that they are putting themselves at risk,
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but they don't get sick pay, they don't get repairs to bikes, things like that? as i said before, the safety of our riders is the most important thing to us, and it is our responsibility as a company to step up our efforts, so they can feel safe on the road all the time. forjabed, the fear of being attacked again means he now won't work after 10 o'clock at night. and he says other drivers are doing the same. jabed — who you heard from in that film — is here now. and as we were hearing, jabed had acid thrown on him in the spate of attacks three weeks ago, as he was riding home from a delivery with ubereats. and in a moment we'll speak to drjessica payne from the royal college of emergency medicine — it's warning today that the public should be taught how to give first aid to acid attack victims. thank you so much for coming in,
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jabed. it is an ongoing investigation, we cannot talk about the details of what happened but how have you been coping since it happened? well, since the incident happened, i am happened? well, since the incident happened, iam really happened? well, since the incident happened, i am really scared to go out by myself, and with my family as well. i feel unsafe, i out by myself, and with my family as well. ifeel unsafe, ialways out by myself, and with my family as well. ifeel unsafe, i always lock my car doors and windows. if i see something going past, i get scared. i feel like something maybe will happen again. can you imagine going back to work at any point in the near future? yes, i love my job, i love what i'm doing because it is flexible. as i said, i love myjob andi flexible. as i said, i love myjob and i want to go back. but, there are safety concerns. it is not safe, for me. i do not think i'm going to be back until it is safe. until this happened, did you ever have fears
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for your safety? i understand you've done thisjob forfive for your safety? i understand you've done this job for five years? four or five years. until this happened, did you have concerns before? no, i was free to work anywhere i used to go. from one o'clock, 12 o'clock, it did not matter. i would go everywhere. i did not have problems before. i never struggled like that before. i never struggled like that before. recently, even with the bike crimes, it goes over the limit now. so, we want to speak to the mayor and spoke to local mayors, likejohn wicks of tower hamlets. he told us to speak to the police. it is going over the limit now. we did not get any results. what do you think should be done? well, we need to start at the bottom. if you think, we are going to arrest them, and
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then you've released them, what is then you've released them, what is the point? if they are released without charge. we need to get a proper law for that. they should be in prison. so, tougher penalties? doctor payne, what is your response to the recent rise in so—called acid attacks? i suppose there is a professional and personal response. i live and work in north—east london, so i share the concerns of the community that i work for. i lock my doors on the way home and roll up my windows now. from a professional point of view, i think it is important that we try and disseminate the knowledge of how to manage these attacks, if you see them on the streets. and, we wrote an article published in the british medical journal, an article published in the british medicaljournal, to increase awareness among the medical community of the increase and frequency of which we see these attacks at the moment. and we are hearing about, it was commented on
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today, is the fact that we hear about these incidents more, is that pa rt about these incidents more, is that part of the problem in terms of triggering copycat incidents?” part of the problem in terms of triggering copycat incidents? i do not think so. i think that actually having more awareness of these attacks is a good thing. it means that the public have a heightened awareness of what to do if they were to witness something like this. and i think these attacks have been happening for the last six months, and increasingly so. so it is probablyjust now and increasingly so. so it is probably just now that and increasingly so. so it is probablyjust now that we are seeing this coming through in the press. what should people do? firstly call 909, make sure it is safer you to approach. be aware that you need to protect yourself —— call 999. avoid getting the corrosive substance on your hands or yourself, encourage
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the person who is going to be in pain and distressed to take off any items of clothing that might be contaminated orjury items of clothing that might be contaminated or jury that items of clothing that might be contaminated orjury that might be contaminated, and tried to irrigate, wash, the areas affected with as much water as possible. that could bea much water as possible. that could be a shower, it could be bottled water, for as long as possible until it takes the emergency services to arrive. thank you so much for coming in to us. ubereats told us: "couriers can log in when and where they want, they are under no obligation at all to deliver in an area they don't want to." "the safety of the couriers that have signed up to ubereats is our top priority and we don't want anyone to feel unsafe when they use the app. the system thinks you're taking a break, so can log you off — but couriers just need to log in again. there is no blocking or anything like that." still to come, do baby boxes
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