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o'clock with a full round—up of the day's new5. o'clock with a full round—up of the day's news. it is time for a special programme from new5peak, my lesbian mums. five, four... all: three, two, one! cheering and applause this is the moment my mums made history, becoming the first le5bian5 to marry in scotland. but it wasn't plain sailing for them to get down the aisle. hi, my name'sjillian, and 20 years ago my mum came out as a lesbian. i was only four at the time, so it really wasn't 5uch a great dealfor me, but i have learnt from my parents that it might have been a bit more difficult for some of my siblings. so i'm going to go on a journey and speak to my brother and two of my elder 5ister5 to see what it's been like for them. i'd also quite like to find out what it's like nowadays and if it's easier for parents to come out to their children. my family is very open, but there are some things we don't talk about a lot. more mummies than an egyptian pyramid. yeah! they laugh i know some found it hard, but how hard? society had made me believe that
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that was such a bad thing. mm—hmm. voiceover: i'll need to travel. palma, here we come! voiceover: and see if our mums think they've changed anything. i remember my mum 5at me and my brother down, and she asked if i was embarrassed by her. people will say to us, "0h, it's so easy for gay couples now compared to "what it used to be, you know, you're totally accepted." we're not. voiceover: if, 20 years later, some parents 5till struggle coming out to their children. i don't know any other gay couples that have a dad that has two kids from... a separate marriage. yeah. you feel bad cos they were being bullied because of you, do you know what i mean? the guilt. hello! 0h, hiya! hi! you're wet. well, it is raining outside. voiceover: this is my mum, su5an. 0h, i'll have a tea. yeah, or you could have my new drink — raw, organic, unfiltered cider vinegar,
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it's very good for you. absolutely not. no chance. voiceover: and this is the house where our family grew up. my mum moved in here with gerrie 17 years ago. with gerrie came three big 5ister5 for me. right, come on, time to go. bye! so, here we have some pictures of me and my brother, jamie. my favourite one on this is the picture of us po5ing up here, because my mum always tried to make us be all happy and smiling together! poorjamie. he was the only boy in the house, apart from rupert the dog and max the cat. so, i think i'm going to start my journey off by speaking to him. i think it will be quite interesting to see what it's like from a male perspective in a house full of women. i think i was eight. mm—hmm. and i remember, i remember gerrie
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coming over to the house quite a lot, and elaine being there, playing football with her in the back garden a lot, but not really knowing what it was. and then it was when obviously mum and dad split up. that's when it sort of, "oh, 0k." yeah! jillian laughs "this is what's happening." they laugh do you know what i mean? i feel like you always find just, like, the funny side of things. aye, alway5. you knew how to just make a joke of things and not get sad and angry. always got to look on the bright side of life, as they say. like, i remember, what was that card that you got mum? was it for her birthday or something? what, the baked bean one? the baked bean one! aye. because... she was a le5—bean. jillian laughs terrible, terrible joke, when i look back at that. 14—year—old me found it hilarious, but 28—year—old me, not so much. something i would tell all my friends about your yearbook i5... oh, the yearbook, aye. the quote... more mummies than an egyptian pyramid. they laugh see, it's just good to find a joke. there's no point in... letting it get to you or whatever. i don't think i remember anybody staring at us i think we just,
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i mean, we were so oblivious to that sort of thing, because it wasjust ourfamily. yeah, i was just there for the food. i wasn't. .. getting a free dinner, cannae beat it. you were such a fat pie. jamie laughs but, no, i don't think... i don't remember hearing any whi5per5 or hearing any... no. like, tut5 or anything or... aye, nothing like that. it was normalfor u5. there was no, like, all looking around, "is anyone watching us?" do you know what i mean? that was our normal. we were out for dinner. "let's go out for dinner, let's not care what other people think." i also really liked how mum and gerriejust held hands and... aye. didn't care how people saw them. and that's the way it should be. i feel like there's not enough people doing that. what, holding hands? yeah. if you're expecting me to hold your hand right now you've got another think coming. come on! nope! they laugh no, but! know what you mean. i think i've started seeing more people who have come out or whatever, holding hands, and all that kind of stuff.
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being public. yeah, but back then it wasn't such a big thing. no. what would your response be to people who don't agree with the way that we have been brought up? why take the time out to. . .5ort of cha5ti5e somebody el5e‘s upbringing? maybe have a look at theirs first. yeah. i know. why even bother? i mean, we wouldn't do that to other people. no. definitely not. so... and we've been very lucky in the sense that nobody has ever questioned it. yeah. definitely. mmm. but, aye, it's just. .. it's weird. there should be more love in the world, not any more hating. jamie laughs definitely. peace, man. oh, my god. jillian laughs good boy. voiceover: i thinkjamie found it easier because he had so many friends in school. he was confident enough to say in his first introduction, "i'm jamie and my mum's a lesbian." there are four years between jamie and me. maybe being the youngest made it easier. elaine's a really
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cool sister to have. she's a singer and writes her own music. but, being a few years older thanjamie, she might remember our two families coming together in more detail than we do. do you remember your mum coming out to you? she didn't. i was sitting in the living room and there was a card sitting on the couch from su5an to my mum, saying how much she loved her, that kind of thing. and i was hysterical. right. because... complete news to me. like, iwould remember exactly what i was upset about, and it turned out i was, like, the last person to know as well. right. and all herfriends were actually girlfriends, so... iju5t remember that day finding out. i remember being in my school uniform, i remember sitting on the couch. how old were you? erm... ..10 or”. i think with you it was probably a friend thing until she was too scared to tell you. i was so young.
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i wasjust kind of like, "meh, 0k." i think that's the difference. if you're tiny, you can tell kid5 these things. it's like, "yeah, oh, so?" we don't understand what the difference is. yeah, they love each other, that's all we need to know. it's interesting to hear how different it is for the different ages, though. that's just because the society made me believe that that was such a bad thing, and that's kind of the last thing i remember about it, about that discussion. elaine was a bit upset when she realised, because she was a little bit olderand... i think it was just sorting out in her head. i think she felt as though i should have told her earlier and... so, you can't always get the timing right. you try your best. and i do regret that, that i hadn't told her sooner, more explicitly. but... we're fine with that now, but it has taken time to... it's about getting it... how do you judge the timing? how do you know when the time is right for each individual person? but elaine had more to deal
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with than just her mum saying she's a lesbian. one of her sisters came out when she was a teenager. marie wasn't able to take part in this documentary. i thought i knew about my sister being a lesbian before i found out about my mum, and i was totally fine with that. yeah. for some reason it was a bigger deal because it was my mum, and i don't know why. what was it like at school? awful, it was just constantly, which i've been reminded of, just walking down the halls and people shouting, "0h, your sister's a bean!" that kind of thing. i would just keep walking, and it was constant. and i don't think i told anyone about my mum and susan, apart from my close friends, because i got so much abu5e about my sister, why would i? yeah, no, why would you even put yourself through that? i didn't talk to anybody about anything. i couldn't talk to people generally. do you think that's why you were so 5hy? yeah, co5 iju5t feel like i lost every bit of confidence. mm—hmm.
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mmm. let's talk about something happy. elaine laughs she exhales i know, it's hard. it was really hard for you. they laugh erm... yeah, i think everything changes when you leave school. yeah. you can find yourself. start getting better. i didn't realise how hard it was for you, because, like, we were just at different points in our life back then. it's probably quite good, though, to show that that's how you actually felt, like, and it's not just all happy and... no, it wasn't all happy, but iju5t find i wish i could talk about things without crying, because then you can actually say them out loud. i cry at everything, so don't worry. literally just can't
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get it out otherwise. voiceover: elaine struggled a lot more than i did, and it's clear there's not one right way to tell your children. it must have been tough on our mums though. all five of us were at different stages of our lives. we didn't sit them down as a group. no, definitely not. it was about each of them individually, and getting time with them and feeling that the timing was right. for me my fear was that, yeah, the children would be bullied. my two tell me that they didn't face anything like that. they really felt totally accepted and that our family was accepted for what it was. althouthillian recently told us that there were some remarks from schoolmates about having two lesbian mothers. that was news to me, so i think at the time she probably was protecting us to some extent, you know, that we didn't know about that. you know, although people will say to us, "0h, it's so easy for gay couples now compared to what it used to be, "you know, you're totally accepted," we are not, that's not true.
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it's not true. because there are still a lot of parts of society across the world that, i know it's illegal in different countries still, or even in this country, you know, if you belong to a particularly religious group, whatever background that might be, i'm not pointing the finger at one or another, that might say that our relationship is wrong. and, i mean, i've had some horrendous stuff on social media... from strangers, though. from strangers, yeah, being called an abomination and other names like that and i think, "you don't know me, "you don't know us," and i have a wonderfulfamily, cos every single one of those kids are wonderful and are a bonus. they're a gift to society and to the world, every single one of them. and one of them, my eldest sister anne, is running a successful business in majorca. palma, here we come! about to get a taxi to go see anne,
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and i cannot wait to see her. so excited. can you throw me the keys? bells chime can't hear you! 0h. this is so scary. go catch them! she screams she laughs thanks! so, what do any sisters do when they've not seen each other in a while? pass me the wine. anne is gerrie‘s eldest. i never lived with her, because she was at university when our mums moved in together. we rarely talk about the time before we were just one family, but it's so hot, so time for some rooftop drinking. i see through them that absolutely anything is possible. i think it would be different if people were horrible to me or if... yeah, if i was bullied because of it or i felt different, no, because i think i was,
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like, 17 or 18, i was at university. it was actually kind of cool to have lesbian parents. she laughs and it was like the whole time of friends and ross. yeah. carol and susan. and i was like, "hey, my new mum's called susan too! they laugh yeah, ithink for my mum as well, for having such young children, i think that would have been really hard for her. i think she was quite scared. but... you don't know what fears are in your head and what are legitimate fears. because you don't know legally if you can lose your children over this, or "can someone complain?" and... or "can someone complain?" "what's the school system going to say?" as much as my grandparents knew, none of their friends knew, and they were so worried about what their friends' reaction was going to be, and i remember my mum sat me and my brother down and she asked if i was embarrassed by her. aw. and ijust, we were bothjust like, "don't be so stupid. "of course we're not embarrassed." i think there's still a lot to change. i think maybe in another 20 years it
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will be completely different again, but i think our mothers have helped pioneering the change that has happened. definitely, yeah. knowing that our parents have helped at least one person in this world come out is just a lovely thought. i'm pretty, pretty sure. you look at other people that marry, and all the younger women and all the gay guys that they marry, it's just, i think isn't anything, like, knowing you're not alone? massive respect for them, like, to have done what they did back then. yeah, cos they really were the first. there was no—one around them to support them. but then it's a kind of strength of the relationship, in that they managed it together, they did it together. a lot of people wouldn't have been able to survive that, i don't think. no. so far you know howjamie, elaine and anne dealt with being told our mums are lesbians.
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but what about me? i lived with gerrie for three years before i realised what a lesbian was, and that not everybody lived like us. i was sitting on the settee watching eastenders withjillian, and we... the woman who, pam st clement, who was playing the character of pat came on. and i had honestly never used the word lesbian withjillian ever, and we were sitting on the settee, she was in between gerrie and i, and she turned to me and said, "mummy, sure pat in eastenders is a lesbian just like gerrie." i'm trying to keep my face straight. and she stood, all this gesticulating. .. "you tell her!" so i launched into a great tale of how important it is to have people in your life that love you and to have loving families that we had. both my mums officiate weddings. a5 humanists they conduct nonreligious ceremonies. and sometimes they meet couples
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who face the same challenges they did 20 years ago. sat nav: take exit 22 to merge onto m77... speaking to my brother and my sisters has been really eye opening and insightful, understanding that it's been completely different for all of us. me being the youngest i was obviously so oblivious to how everybody felt, and obviously some people dealt with it a lot harder than others did, and i guess i was very lucky in the sense that i didn't struggle with it at all. gerrie, my stepmum, actually married a gay couple not that long ago, who, by the sounds of things, are struggling an awful lot more than we were, so we are currently on our way now to go and visit them and have a chat with them and see what life is like for them. hi. hi,jillian. hello! hello, doggies!
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come on in. hi, nice to meet you! how are you doing? coordinating! i know, look at us! laughter we obviously knew. come on in. hello! did you find us 0k? yeah, it was fine, i just went too far on, i didn't take the turn into the right. i'm fine. that's it. voiceover: the office for national statistics estimates there are 9,000 same—sex couples in the uk with children to look after, so tyler and india aren't alone. at no point we've sat them down and said, you know, "this is because daddy wants to be with a man and, you know, "conor wants to be with daddy." it's just always been... it's been quite natural, hasn't it? natural, yeah. india was quite young when we first met. she was maybe three. two or three. probably not even that, yeah. so, she's kind of not, doesn't really remember anything. tyler was a little older, but i think much the same, so it's alwaysjust been, you know, that "daddy's going to live with conor," and we don't really make a big thing out of it. we had a lot of questions from them,
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you know, and we still do, you know, every now and again, you know, they come and usually at bedtime, i'll get, "daddy, why do you kiss conor, cos boys aren't supposed to kiss boys?" and, you know, we get those kind of comments every now and again, or, "daddy, why do you sleep in the same bed with conor?" so, there's been a few times recently where tyler in particular will, you know, he'll cry and he'll say, "why do you not love mummy any more? "why do you love conor now?" and, you know... it's hard to try and... explain. yeah, you know, cos a lot of the time i come down the stairs, you know, and i put the brave face on when i'm with tyler, but then i come down and just say... jillian whimpers yeah, it is, you know, like, what do i say to that? and i say it in the best way that i possibly can, but... you know... it's tough. it's really tough. it's hard. really tough. it's hard work. what do you think it will be like in high school for them? it's probably one of my biggest
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worries for the kids, because i don't know any other gay couples that have a dad that has two kids from... a separate marriage. yeah. i think it will be tricky. i think back to what it was like for me growing up at high school and, you know, kind of, even being gay and people picking up on that. it will probably be difficult, because it's kids, isn't it? i know. the worst thing i think would be if something was happening, we didn't know about it and you would feel kind of helpless then, or you'd feel bad cos they were being kind of bullied because of you. do you know what i mean? i think that's the hardest thing, the guilt, i guess, that you're kind of helpless and you feel that you're the cause of it as well. thank you so much! thanks for coming. thank you. see you later. it sounds like they've had a really, really, really tough time, but i just think adam's so brave to have done what he's done, and it sounds like their kids are going to come up absolutely fine.
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i know they were saying that they worry a bit about what their kids are going to be like in high school, and growing up, but... from what i saw ijust know that they are going to have the best life and they're going to grow up so well. i suppose with adam and conor, just like my mums, parents — lesbian, gay or straight — just want to do what's best for their children. so, ifeel like i've learnt so much from every single member of my family, not only myself, but all of my siblings and my parents. from looking at elaine, like, she's obviously struggled so much and she's come out so much better from this, she's such an incredibly strong person. my brother, i mean, he's just my brother, he's the most amazing person, he's just great. and my sister anne, ifeel like she's taken the amazing qualities of my mother's and just created this worldwide business from it. and for my parents, well, theyjust taught me to be who i am and grow up and be the person that
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i am today, and i think they've done a really good job. i've just loved every single minute of this project. ifeel like it's been the most enlightening experience — joyful, emotional, laughter, all sorts of emotions, and it'sjust been incredible. i've really enjoyed it. elaine definitely has struggled through school by the sounds of things. i think she's actually quite emotionally traumatised by what happened to her in school. wee lamb. i know. i don't think that was necessarily about having two mums. no, she said that she never actually told anyone in school because of how people reacted to her sister coming out. just clearly a very unhappy time for her. 0bviously i'm understanding more about it now, but where she is now, she's amazing and she's so beautiful and creative. i know. our biggest fear was losing our children... because we were lesbians.
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mm—hmm. you know... it still felt real then. it felt very real. but the general consensus from all the children is that we're very proud of you. aw! they laugh that's lovely. you'll make me cry. you're going to make me cry! they laugh it was the hardest thing i ever did, was to... you know, tell you that i wasn't going to be living with your dad any more, you know, it's very hard. us coming out and being together is not the way the book was written on life, but it's our truth and that, as a parent, that was the only thing that we could do, and give that to all of you, so even if that was hard at times, it was worth it. cheers to that. yeah, definitely. they laugh welcome back.
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let's take you live to the events in the london stadium where mo farah has run his final 10,000 metres race. he hasjust one he has just one goal. he hasjust one goal. the race finished just a few minutes ago. he is one of the world's best ever long distance runners. this is his last competition before he switches to road racing. it was a pretty tight race but he fended off everyone around him, there were some jostling for position, he was almost pushed over at one stage, but this is him in the final straight, coming home. the crowd going absolutely wild as
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you can imagine as he win that race. he's tried to get another double in these championships, hoping to win these championships, hoping to win the 5000 metres as well. he has not been beaten in global competition since 2011. you can see they're how much it means to him. let's cross over now, we are going to see pictures of him, he is celebrating with his family. they are all out on the track. there they are, his twin daughters, he's had his youngest son on his shoulders. they are ecstatic. let's listen now a bit to brendan foster and steve. his training camp, an usual, he does not usually have that happen. what memories they will have. lam have. iamjust have. i am just looking, his last 1000 metres, that is what they have not learned, they made it hard, but mo can handle the 60 terry and 955 abn.
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that is one his slowest labs, it is that bit. i do not want to tell him billy magner how to beat him. those are the stats. you can tell them all be secret because he is not doing it any more. loads of chances, you could not beat me, now steve will tell you how you should beat me. let us tell you how you should beat me. let us write it down. he has gone now. unbeatable. unbeatable, unbelievable, and such a great pleasure, an honour to be here watching him. they are all on the track. let's do it officially. mo's personal— best track. let's do it officially. mo's personal—best is 26.4 six. the winning time, as if we need to know the time, and incredibly fast time,
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26.495 the time, and incredibly fast time, 2649.5 one. the time, and incredibly fast time, 26.49.5 one. gold medalfor mo the time, and incredibly fast time, 26.49.5 one. gold medal for mo farah and great britain for the tenth time. joshua, a silver medal for him. rewards are great performance, making up for his loss. paul, the rostrum, four kenya with a bronze medal. welcome to day one of the world championship to london and what a way to start. look about gorgeous smile, mo farah‘s family loving these moments. loving what they have just seen. their incredible father, paula, what do we have seen them doing a different styles. different races, we have never seen styles. different races, we have never seen anything quite like that? no, i think, never seen anything quite like that? no, ithink, it never seen anything quite like that? no, i think, it was the best of all of his victories. 2012 kicked it off and it is where it all started.
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where he burst through as the formidable force. there they really did it to him, they really made it a very tough race and he handled it. he came back, and he was able to cope. but i think, recovering 45, he needs to go back and really recover. he needs to take down... take a step the water. michael you were pacing like the next acted father, he gave me the eye cobbler times, to say i am not sure. mo did not look sure. usually he looks very sure of himself and we have never seen him ina himself and we have never seen him in a position before. it was fantastic race to watch. that is what you want to see, it is just incredibly competitive race. going back and forth, but, yeah, he did not look short of himself and that
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concerns me a little bit but he has got the one weapon that he is always confident in and that is his speed. they did have a concerted effort, they have got to work as a team, and they have got to work as a team, and they did work as a team, paula. they did, they had a plan and they stuck to the plan and they really worked as hard as they could. they could not have run that any harder. worked really ha rd not have run that any harder. worked really hard for the silver medal. great moments with his family. we say welcome to bbc two viewers who have joined say welcome to bbc two viewers who havejoined our coverage say welcome to bbc two viewers who have joined our coverage of the world athletics chairmanships. a few moments ago on bbc one, with almost farare winning moments ago on bbc one, with almost far are winning his sixth world title as he stormed to victory. he held off incredible challenges from a concerted effort from his kenyan competitors but eventually he got there and we are staying on bbc one for the medal ceremony which will happen very shortly. the news will follow as well but for the moment, so follow as well but for the moment, so you do not miss this very historic moment, in world athletics,
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we are staying on bbc one and then the coverage will continue until 10:30pm on bbc two. it doesn't a lwa ys 10:30pm on bbc two. it doesn't always happen this way, medal ceremonies, often late, a race like this, the medal ceremony would be tomorrow. but this crowd tomorrow here are going to witness the medal ceremony to that which is a great thing is while the them to enjoy that moment. it is, they are saying and nobody is leaving this arena, eve ryo ne and nobody is leaving this arena, everyone is staring to hear our national anthem played for the first medal given out of these championships and let us hope it is going to be a lot more to follow. we have to give a slight nod to the girls in the 1500 all girls into the semifinal and to personal—best bar. that was outstanding running from just in particular. on this race, i am not heard your thoughts on this, just. you were quite nervous

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