hardtalk. is music a bigger part of your life now as it ever has been? no. not at all. because? because when i was a teenager listening to the radio was really the only thing i was interested in. and now, for many reasons, that has changed. there are not so many bands, i loved dance and now it is all changed a lot. technology has changed as well. i cannot access things simply any longer. i got a little out of touch. so that you as a consumer of music, but for you as a performer, a songwriter, and a performer as well, is there is much of a buzz about that as there ever was? yes, i think so. that part of it, that's... that's always a constant. only when you're doing it. it's all the stuff around it that gets tiresome. if you don't feature the celebrity thing, or talking about yourself, or being seen in public in any way,

it's just that hour and a half on stage, that's all. anyone in a band will tell you that. and the origin of the creativity? the sitting down and writing songs? does that come as easily now? well, i don't know if it was ever easy. it was maybe more compulsive when you have nothing to do and you're alone in a room with a guitar, then eventually you will write a song. i never wrote them because i felt i had to or that i should. i felt i wanted to write songs and present them to a band. it was always about the band. you've obviously gone in new directions, and you've got a new album out, which you recorded in sweden with a guy, a well—known musician and producer whom i don't think you'd worked with before, so obviously there's a lot of new stuff going on right now, and i just wonder whether you've taken your music in a different direction. does it feel very different? not really. no, i don't change very much. ijust kind of do what i... i write some songs, put them together with the band, record it.

i wouldn't say i'm an experimental artist. ijust try to do my thing, and if anyone likes it, that's great. yeah. but i'm not really... i just like to stay in the middle, so if ijust can do enough to get by. i mean, i shouldn't say that in front of my record company or my management, because i'm supposed to be out here hawking my fish, you know. the truth is, ijust want to do enough to get by and do what i like to do, which is to go on the road and play in a band. it's very simple for me. and what you also seem to have succeeded in doing this time around is hooking in a great friend of yours, a guy who i know you've always loved to listen to, neil young, to play on the album, and that must have been quite special. that was pretty surreal, but i really wouldn't have thought of doing that if i hadn't been working with bjorn yttling, and just trying to impress him, because i wouldn't have thought of calling neil young myself. but you've known neil young for years, haven't you? you played with him. didn't you support him?

yeah, but i don't ask someone like that, "will you play on my record?" i wouldn't even think of it. but we had one that sounded like a neil young song. we kept referring to it as the neil young song, and just to kind of wind him up, i'd say, of course, we can always get neil young to play on this, but i never meant it. after saying that for about six months, ithought, actually, i could get neil young to play on this. that explains... i called him up, and he said yes. that explains neil young. you've got to explain to me john mcenroe. people watching this will know john mcenroe as a wimbledon champion and top tennis player, and here he is rocking up on your album playing guitar. well, john has always played guitar, and he's always been really interested in rock guitar. he'sjohn mcenroe, so he has this kind of adolescent, in my view, no offence to him... ancient adolescent, i guess we'd say. now, yeah. but he loves playing rock guitar, and so whenever i played with the pretenders in new york, i'd always invite him on stage, and he's fearless. he'll get on stage with anyone and play if he's called upon. for years, i've tried to encourage him to stop doing

the other things he does, charity matches and things like that, where he gets together with some other tennis players, and play guitar. i say, "why don't you just actually get in a band?" in all honesty, is he any good? yeah, he is good. he's as good as me. but it's a question of taste, i suppose. if he was focused and he was playing in a band, he's got it. to do the kind of thing he wants to do, which would be sort of heavy—metal—come—punk a little bit, i guess i would describe. let me, if i may, go back to the beginning with you. you're from ohio, from the midwest of the united states. it's not a place i associate with a big music scene. i don't know if there was when you were growing up in akron, but you obviously made a conscious decision pretty early on in your life that you didn't want to stay in akron. is that because there was some fundamental rebellious streak in you, and is that connected to your music as well? well, i like cities, and the city of akron pretty much had collapsed by the time i was a teenager, you know with

the mall culture, the car culture. american cities, from coast to coast, really, except for the obvious big ones that everyone knows about here — chicago, new york, even philadelphia — most of the cities lost their downtown and lost their urban feel and became more like what you could call a metroplex, a very suburban sprawl, where everyone would have to spend most of the day in a car, really, to get anywhere. that's what i was leaving. and how did you get into music? just listening to radio. i grew up when all the best stuff happened as far as rock and roll. you still feel that today? you've lived through various eras of rock and roll. are you kidding? the first album i had was the first beatles album. i was right there. i had the firstjimi hendrix album, led zeppelin, all the greats. you could name 25 amazing bands,

moby grape, buffalo springfield, all those bands out on the west coast. there was tonnes. spooky tooth. all these amazing english bands. every day was christmas if you were a rock and roll fan and you liked bands, because everywhere you looked there were amazing bands. i think it's over, to be honest. there's still bands and they are still out there touring, and, especially in america, they love guitar—based rock and roll, so... i toured with 22 top and the stray cats a few years ago, and that was my audience. i love that, because it was all these sort of bikers and waitress types, who loved guitar—based rock. it's sort of pared down, pretty simple rock and roll. it couldn't be more simple than what i like. that's about as simple as you go in this game. two guitars, bass and drums, maybe some keyboards, and some songs. your sense that that america, the america of i guess the ea rly—to—mid—‘70s,

was going in the wrong direction. was that a big part of your decision to head to the uk? i don't know if i was that aware of what was going on. i knew i wanted to see the world, and i liked english music, and i wanted to get out of cars. i could see the way the car culture was going. that i could see. you were sort of out of love with your own country, really? i what? you were out of love with your own country. yeah, but i was in love with england. i was always in love with england, even as a child, because i thought everyone rode horses here. i grew up thinking england must be the greatest place, and then all those english bands came along, and i was absolutely in love with england, and always have been. and you've pretty much stayed based here ever since? yeah. because you ended up forming a band. again, it's fascinating to think about what it must have been like. you formed a band with three guys who actually were from a very

rural part of england. hereford, yeah. hereford, which, for those who don't know it, is a pretty small, rural, isolated town. and here were you, rocking up from the united states with a very particular love of rock and roll music. how did you all gel together and come to be the pretenders? this is really a long story. give me the shortest version you can. i'll give you the short version. i went to lemmy and i said, "look, man, i'm getting this band together. " i'd been in england for about five, seven years. i'd travelled around a lot once i wanted to get my band together. i lived through the punk thing. i knew everybody. but i still didn't have my band together, so i went to lemmy, and i said, you know... when you say lemmy, you mean lemmy from motorhead? yeah, lemmy. i was kind of feeling sorry for myself, and he said, "well, no one said it was going to be easy." and he wasn't really as sympathetic

as i thought he might be, but he said, "there's one drummer kid in town that you might want to check out. so, anyway, i found this guy in street. i saw him one day, and i said, "hey, is your name gas?" and he went, "yeah." so i said, "be in a band with me." and he was from hereford, so he didn't really last, but through him i met pete farndon. through pete farndon, another long story, we found james honeyman—scott, who i think is one of the last great guitar heroes. i'm sorry that he went so early, and at the time when he died, i didn't publicly make much of it, as people would these days, maybe, but i don't think that's right. he really never got his due for the contribution he made as a rock guitar player. that i regret. that's one of the reasons i still do this, actually, because i want them to have their place in history, because that's what was important to them. that is very interesting. it's actually very poignant, because within years of having your big success with the pretenders, when everything really

took off in 1980, 81, 82, within a couple of years of that, two of the original band members had died. yeah. both drugs—related. that must have been, for you personally, extraordinarily hard. well, yeah, of course it was, but i'm not trying to make it seem like it was less of a bummer than it was, but everyone goes through stuff in their lives, and i think to look at someone and say, "wow, she's had a hard..." frankly, who hasn't? everyone loses family and friends. you go through this stuff in your life. yeah, i could have... without going into too much detail... it was so traumatic, it probably didn't bother me as much at the time, and i was pregnant for the first time and i didn't know how i was going to deal with that. i had to find some other guys to play with and get back on stage and keep my thing alive, because i didn't have anything else. you know, it was that or i don't know what. my aspirations weren't much higher

than maybe i could be a waitress. i didn't have a lot to fall back on. was there ever a time, in that period of great success but real tragedy as well, where you fell close to the edge yourself? well, yeah. a lot. of course. because of drugs? all sorts of things, you know. guys i was going outwith, they were all wrong, and drugs... stuff that everyone does, everyone goes through. i don't think my story... the only thing unique about my story is i've had this like amazing band — bands, now. and that's what i'm good at, finding good bands and making sure the guys sound great. you smile about it now, and you've sort of left it behind in a way,

but is there any part of that chrissie hynde back then that is still with you today? do you ever get bleak and black times today that remind you of some of the times you had then? er... i have maybe bleak and black times that remind me of the times i'm having now, and, you know, i miss them. i miss those guys. there's a lot about it... but what can i do about it? i've tried to keep the music alive to keep their memory going. i could have said, "right, that's it, it's over, and i'll do something else now, i won't play those songs again." but that didn't seem right, because we'd put a lot of work into that. and they had a real, unique sound. it wasn't my sound. it was not the chrissie hynde sound. the sound of the pretenders really didn't have a sound. it was more, i would say, equally with my songs and my voice,

but it was mainly inspired by the sound ofjames honeyman—scott, and the other guys, pete farndon and martin chambers, you know. let me ask you a little bit about the voice, because a lot of people watching this will have such a clear sort of sound in their head of a chrissie hynde voice, because it is a very distinctive. do you recognise it? do you know there is something very special about your voice? well, i guess that's subjective. if you think there is, then there is for you. for me, i found it very difficult to listen back to for many years, and if anyone was even in the control room and they... you know, a lot of singers are like this. if they soloed the voice, i would just die of embarrassment, and i didn't want to be watched while i was singing. i don't like people around when i'm trying... i was like that painting too. i don't want people around when i'm doing my thing.

really? of course, you have to get on stage. you've got to do the live gigs, and then there's no hiding place. no, but that's different, because you're with the band. you're up there with your little gang. it's a weird one, because there's a lot about it that doesn't feel very good. it was probably after about 200 shows that i didn't hate the idea of going onstage. you seriously had stage fright? yeah, of course. everyone does. don't think that this confidence thing, that there a few chosen few people that are confident. none of us are, especially people in bands. we're the dropouts that didn't have much confidence and weren't very good at anything, and are blagging it, and probably weren't very good at things. for you in particular, you always had such a strong image onstage. hey, i'm six feet above you. i'm on the stage. i can do what i want up there. so what am i going to do? every day you have to make a decision about everything. you make a good decision or a bad one. i'm going to be onstage.

do i want to look like i have no confidence and i'm afraid? because that's not what people want to see. i'm there for them. you see one guy in the audience that you kind of think, "i'll play to him." if there's a guy like that there. if there is, that helps, or they'll be one kind of crazy dancer in a balcony, and the whole band will fixate on that, and that carries you through the whole show. any bit of madness can get you through it. let me ask you about being a successful woman in rock and roll. i know you've always said, look, it really hasn't made a difference to me being a man or a woman, it's rock and roll. but it is a business that, to an outsider, often looks very sexist. have you never felt that in your own career and what happened to you? iwas... it took me a long time to... i didn't want to pull out my guitar and play in front of guys because i knew i wasn't very good and it was mainly guys, and i was shy to do that

in front of the guys. you know, so... that part of it, and i didn't think it was... did you never have people, like promoters, agents, managers, telling you how to look? oh, no. that's a myth. no. you know, i've never met any musicians where, if a girl walked in the room, i don't care if it'sjeff beck or any of the greats, it could be billy gibbons, anyone, any record company guy. a girl walks in the room, picks up a guitar and plays great, they're all going to go, i want to play with her. you know, because they want to be around them. men want to be with women. sure, but isn't there some sleazebag who's going to say, i want to play with her, but i want her to look like this. i want her to wear that. and i want the image to be just so. if there is, i've never met him. here's something you wrote.

i think you had your tongue firmly in your cheek at the time, but when you launched an album, i think it was last of the independents. you also published some notes, you said, for any prospective... idid that... this girlfriend of mine, angela harrington, she was starting a magazine, and she kept on to me... you know what i'm talking about? yes, something for her magazine. well, let me quote you one line, just see how you feel about it now. 0k. ijust did it to get her off my back. these were notes to any prospective rock chick. you said, "look, don't moan about being a chick. don't refer to feminism or complain about discrimination. we've all been thrown down stairs and screwed around, but no one wants to hear a whining female. just write a loosely—disguised song about it and clean up." well, that's certainly good advice, isn't it? well, feminists listening and watching this might think, why not introduce some feminist protest? what about me? i'm almost like the poster girl for feminism. you know, everything about me says feminism. so i don't think... isn't it better to walk it

than talk it, given a choice? right. ijust wonder, again reflecting on your own life, i mean, you've raised kids as well as having a career in rock and roll, but that, i guess, is not easy. again, one more thought on this, and it's quite an amusing one, in a way, because you, i think, once got a note from a band. i don't think you knew them, but they liked your music. but they then sent you a note saying, you know what, your records used to be great before you got domesticated. something like that, yeah. and that, i know it was meant to be amusing, but also... no, it wasn't meant to be amusing. they were serious, and it's true. i mean, domesticity kills off this stuff, definitely. so, what, you don't think it's really possible for a woman who's just had kids to be in the music business, to make rock and roll? no, i never said that. i said domesticity, for any artist, you know, if you're comfortable and you're getting on with domestic life, it's not going to be cutting edge rock and roll.

you're just going to have to lay out for a few years. did you? yeah, i didn't tour for eight years. and my kids never saw me on stage until they were 14. it was past their bedtime. i was never photographed with them or talked about them either, so, you know, ijust kind of stayed out of it. elvis costello is my age. he's probably made four times more... he's probably done a0 records to my ten records, probably. let me talk about politics in a different way, and that is the way that you, throughout your life, professional life, have always made a point of being a campaigner, particularly for animal rights. i guess it's fair to say that has been central to your outlook on life. why animal rights? why did you get so passionately involved with them? that's just something that you're born with. some people are and some people aren't. it's not something you learn.

probably like most of human behaviour. some people have one thing that you're good at or you're interested in. and with me ijust don't like to see animals mistreated, and i was one of those little girls that loved animals, horses and things. so as i got older, and, of course, the whole vegetarian thing goes into the environmental picture, and it's all related. i haven't campaigned that much. i've been vocal about it. definitely, promoting vegetarianism is my thing. i don't like meat eaters. you know, i don't like it. it's indefensible. why would you kill an animal if you didn't have to? you say you don't like meat eaters. have you, in your life, basically made a point of being close to and being friends with people who are either vegetarian or vegans? yeah, i don't like them either. meat eaters, it's just wrong.

if you have to kill, do it. you know, sometimes there is a time and a place for everything. i'm not necessarily a pacifist. i'm definitely a warrior. i'll go out on the front line every time. hey, well, you did. i'm ready to go at all times. you pushed it pretty far. a dozen years or so ago, in new york city, you were involved in a very direct action. yeah, i didn't push it very far. i've been in some protests with pete and gone to jail. but pushing it far... it's pretty far. when you go into a store, like the gap store in new york, and... not as far as someone who goes in undercover working in a slaughterhouse. that's going far. when you really get in there, and you dig in, and you're watching animals who are not being stunned and are getting skinned. we're talking about the consumers, and to change the mind of a consumer who thinks it's all right to kill animals, i can't do it. i mean, morrisey did it with his song. a lot of people became vegetarian after hearing meat is murder because it made them... you know, isuppose, it's like a switch. some people have it, but most people don't.

i'm 3% of the population in the west. even india's now becoming meat eaters. and china as well. yeah, so it is what it is. we're not going to win this thing. people kill animals because they think it's all right to kill them. we're here to stop that if we can. we don't think it's right, and we're here to stop you, even if we're in a very small minority. i'm not even trying to make you change your mind, because you have all the information, and there's nothing i can tell you that you can't find out on the internet now. all you have to do is pop in "meat—eating clip", go, and it will tell you all you need to know about it. so i can't tell you any more. if you think that's all right to do, as far as i'm concerned, i'm here to stop you. that doesn't put me on... i'm a minority. i'm just trying to hold my ground here. i have to sleep at night too, so i have to do things that make me feel at least i've tried to do the right thing that day. chrissie hynde, we have to end there, but thank you very much for being on hardtalk.

pleasure. thanks a lot. hello. we are watching three hurricanes in the caribbean. jose hot on the heels of hurricane irma, not quite as strong but still the potential for damaging winds off the northern leeward islands. hurricane irma is heading turks and caicos, towards cuba and florida by the weekend and hurricane katia in the gulf of mexico is making rain with a lot of damaging wind. somewhat quieter over here at home but still an unsettled end to the week thanks to this unsettled area of low pressure. there will be strong winds at times

particularly across southern coastal counties and the north—west of scotland and northern ireland as well. here there will be some showers from the word go. not as many showers here first thing tomorrow across the eastern side of scotland, maybe sunshine coming through but always a lot of cloud. showers never too far away across northern england. spells of sunshine coming through across the northern parts of wales, but there will be showers here through the day and the showers are getting going across south—west england and across the southern coastal counties of england which will become more frequent and the rain more persistent. showers merging, really, to give a longer spell of rain. quite an unsettled feel to the end of the week. for many northern parts of england and parts of scotland and northern ireland, it is a day of sunshine and showers for wales, southern and central parts of england though showers becoming more frequent and merging together for a longer spell of rain. you could catch a rumble of thunder

during the afternoon. temperature no great shakes, somewhere between 16 and i9 celsius for most. heavy showers and longer spells of rain around tomorrow evening. slowly we start to lose the energy but there will be more showers around overnight so nowhere reliably dry. there should be some lengthy clear spells in between the showers. a slightly fresher overnight low of ii or 12 celsius but for most still in double figures. an unsettled weekend with sunshine and showers on saturday. the emphasis more on dry weather and not as many showers. again, nowhere reliably dry in the temperatures still not much higher than 18 or 19 celsius. we do it all again on sunday. many places got off to a dry start that then in the north—west something unsettled is happening here with strengthening winds and spells of rain, light to very heavy, sweeping across the country. the weekend will be wet at times, rather cool and quiet, windy as well. i'm sharanjit leyl, in singapore. the headlines: hurricane irma

barrels through the caribbean, leaving a trail of destruction. it's now heading for haiti. an unfolding humanitarian disaster. families flee myanmar where buddhists are targeting rohingya muslim villages. more than 150,000 crossed into bangladesh in recent weeks. we've been told a refugee camp has a rock that in the field just over here. —— has erupted. apparently thousands of people have come here and made camp. i'm kasia madera, in london. also in the programme: paolo duterte, the son of the philippines president, denies involvement in a massive drug smuggling operation. holding tight onto dad's hand: prince george arrives for his first