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of hurricane irma. an aid operation is under way in the british virgin islands — but many communities have yet to receive any support. in florida — the clean up has started — but millions face weeks without power. the un security council has voted unanimously to impose new sanctions on north korea as punishment for carrying out a nuclear test. the sanctions target pyongyang's ability to fund and fuel its nuclear programme. it's the ninth unanimously adopted resolution on north korea since 2006. the bbc has uncovered evidence suggesting the myanmar military is targeting rohingya muslims — as they flee violence. 300,000 have crossed the border into bangladesh — many say they were attacked by security forces with guns and landmines. now on bbc news, today in parliament hello and welcome to monday in
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parliament. 0ur round—up of an especially long day at westminster. a day that ended with mps giving initial support to the bill that tra nsfers initial support to the bill that transfers thousands of eu laws into uk law. the ayes to the right, 396. the nos to the left, 290. there was a passionate debate. it was a peacetime power grab over the legislator, by the government over parliament in 100 years. added to the vast majority of honourable members in this house actually want to create a chaotic brexit. also on
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the programme, more anger over the government's scheme to provide working parents with extra free childcare. this doesn't strike me as high—quality childcare but another broken manifesto commitment akin to their betrayal on working tax credit in 2015. but first, a landmark government bill that casts and paste dozens government bill that casts and paste d oze ns of government bill that casts and paste dozens of european laws into european law has cleared its first parliamentary hurdle. —— cuts and paste. details are still to come. ministers day without the bill, britain will be left in a free for all on the day the use —— eu jurisdiction no longer covers the uk in march 2019. they believe the bill will ensure an orderly departure for the uk that its opponents claim it is a power grab the government. last thursday's debate on the bill was only the first half. eight more hours on the debate provided the second half.
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first half. eight more hours on the debate provided the second halfm i have an opportunity to support a government bill that says european union withdrawal bill, i am going to support it tonight and i hope other members do. because what it does, it ends the european union legislation and control over this house when we leave. and that's what it primarily does. cutting and pasting laws from the eu statute book into the uk one simply isn't enough because laws are only as effective as the mechanisms to enforce them into practice. in the absence of mechanisms to replace the absence of mechanisms to replace the monitoring and enforcement roles we re the monitoring and enforcement roles were effectively going to be left with zombie legislation. it might be on the statute book but it is not enforcea ble. on the statute book but it is not enforceable. a vote against this bill is a terrible disappointment and actually i don't really take the vote against this bill at its face value because i don't think the vast majority of honourable members
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actually want to create a chaotic brexit. i think they are going to be voting for a tactical defeat of themselves. everybody in this house and those beyond no they did not get that —— she did not get that freehand. this bill is drafted for a reality that no longer exists. and yet the government is continuing as if to coin a phrase, nothing has changed. i will not support this bill because it threatens a fundamental principle of british democracy. namely, the supremacy of parliament and the division of powers. and gives sweeping powers to government ministers and bureaucrats. so although i know there is a lot of false irony, i
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have sat through so many of these debates where shadow secretaries of state. when i was a rebel, now i am a loyalist... henry viii is a bastard but he is my kind of bastard. it is dangerous, fundamentally un— british and i think it has, at its heart, a lie. it represents the biggest peacetime power grab over the executive by the government over parliament in 100 yea rs. government over parliament in 100 years. he said the bill gave too many powers to ministers. sun seem to think it is a compliment to refer to think it is a compliment to refer to these as henry viii powers. —— some seem to think. i know that in 1836, he legislated to allow two mps
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to come here from calais. the law to ta ke to come here from calais. the law to take their laws into our law is supported. we also have bill which is fit for purpose. it actually as cheese that effectively. although —— achieves it. this bill needs improvement ina achieves it. this bill needs improvement in a number of areas in the course of its stage.|j improvement in a number of areas in the course of its stage. i may have preferred to stay in the single market by remaining in the eu but that horse has bolted. i am a realist. i recognise the result of the wreck the referendum realist. i recognise the result of the referendum but what i will not do now is hand over all the cards to ministers to determine how we leave. many of the laws cannot be directly copied across. technical changes are
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needed and ministers need the power to make the technical decisions. however, this bill is also not perfect. there are many areas where decisions are not technical and policy decisions are needed to be made. i have no intention of breaking my word to the voters who returned me to this council on six occasions. i hope ministers will listen to the concerns raised about this bill because the government's lack of openness, collaboration and foresight to produce a better bill has not helped. to the government, i say, treatment parliament with respect and be open to suggestions to improve the bill. i will work with others to improve this bill but tonight, i cannot vote to block this bill and i shall be at staining to allow this bill to be further discussed and amended. this bill is the vehicle to the government in this house to deal with the unique and extra ordinary situation and ensure functioning statute that we leave the eu. voting voting against
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it should not be an option for anyone to night unless we want chaos. to review all of that legislation, there are shed loads. we need to have the means by which we review which legislation we will keep and which we don't. what we have seen so far is a tory government that wants to turn its back on the eu happily talking about an ideal situation that would be devastating forjobs in the economy. this approach of ourselves alone against the world is not one that i can possibly and doors and not one that might —— colleagues can possibly endorse either. we must reject this bill and a new approach is needed and that's why we're voting yesternight. it seems to me we have to work on the basis that the wholesale adoption of eu law must be the way to go and in the
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years to come, i foresee this parliament will play a very, very active role in deciding which laws they like and which laws they don't. it is perfectly possible to recognise and respect the result of the referendum without sacrificing ha rd the referendum without sacrificing hard wind of economic social, environmental rights and freedoms —— ha rd environmental rights and freedoms —— hard one. 8096 of people who voted, voted for those that were pledged the result on the outcome of the referendum. if the outcome —— if the promise is broken, the resulting actor will give rise to extreme political movements right across the uk and that will change politics forever. i worry as honourable membersl forever. i worry as honourable members i am sure will understand about what we have in leashed in our country, about the increase in race hate —— unleashed. about the nasty nest that surrounds this debate and i have to say, i worry hugely about the way in which the way in which
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the way in which the way in which the conservative party has moved to the conservative party has moved to the right to pick up ground that has been seeded by ukip. i do, i do. —— about the nasty nest. been seeded by ukip. i do, i do. —— about the nasty nestlj been seeded by ukip. i do, i do. —— about the nasty nest. i heard them pooh—pooh about the blairite things. who of us gets to put our children to bed at night? as it is, we should carry on sitting until our work is done. if we have to sit late, if we have to sit some fridays, if we have to dig about the length of recess, then we must. the importance of getting this bill wright goes way beyond those concerns. this is a job that requires a sacrifice. —— getting this bill right. for a may owfi getting this bill right. for a may own part, i fail to see how giving this power to any minister, particularly, i might say, a
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conservative minister, is what parliament taking back control looks like. i, like the vast majority of my constituents, do not seek to overturn or obstruct brexit. it needs to work. we want to see practical, pragmatic, reasonable solutions. that is why i am pleased to see this bill before the house today. the government may ask why the british people simply may not trust them to replicate any protections and rights in any forthcoming legislation. well, mr deputy speaker, when certain members of the opposite benches believe that rape victims should not have access to abortions, i do not lend the public are being sceptical of the government. ——i do not blame the public. this house voted overwhelmingly in favour of the notification of withdrawal bill. i think tonight the house should do the same in the second reading for this bill before parliament. in the words of one of our more succinct
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people yesterday, tell the house, for goodness sake, just get on with it. many voters i spoke to say they we re it. many voters i spoke to say they were voting leave because they wanted to restore parliamentary sovereignty. they wanted to take back control parliament. —— make it control back to parliament. this does not do that. it gives it back to ministers who don't want to be held accountable to this house. allan this bill is necessary to ensure an orderly brexit. —— this bill is necessary. the other option is one of chaos, uncertainty and the abrupt evaporation of laws overnight, leaving us with nothing but are vacuum. it sees to strip that parliament of its power and wants to transform this house from the beating heart of our sovereignty. turning us into
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bystanders. mr deputy speaker, let us bystanders. mr deputy speaker, let us make no mistake, this bill is not about delivering the will of the people, rather, it is about gagging out people, rather, it is about gagging our democracy and this house by the way of a false discourse. the arguments that have been made against this bill would just say this is a power grab, it is quite clear from what ministers have said, from what the legislation has said, from what the legislation has said, from the restrictions that are placed on ministers, but that is not the of all, it enables the eu law to be brought in to the fear of this parliament were eventually, if it is not appropriate, it can be amended. mr speaker, many of us remain bill will did a that weight has been drafted in this form or why ministers felt it was wise to ignore the select committee ‘s two produced a bell in draft the —— —— the bill
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in draft. the unique situation of entangling us from the eu required a bill that created consensus across this house, not one that undermines it. it required a bill that restored power to this house of commons, not a bill that concentrates unparalleled power in the hands of the executive. we all agree, all of us, the executive. we all agree, all of us, across the executive. we all agree, all of us, across this house, that a bill of this kind is necessary but that does not mean that parliament should accept this fundamentally flawed bill and it is for that reason and that reason alone that the opposition will be voting against this bill this evening. i hope the house that we state book,
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that verdict of the people we do so businesses and individuals to plan for on and after i hope the house will give a clear the ayes to the left 396. the right to the right to 100 and 90. —— 290. the ayes to the right 396, the nos to the left, 290. so the ayes have
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it, the ayes have it. the inclusion of overseas students in immigration figures continues to cause controversy. 13% of students attending britain's universities and colleges are originally from outside the uk. many politicians say they shouldn't be counted in the migrant totals but theresa may is thought to wa nt to totals but theresa may is thought to want to keep a student in the total is because many of them stay on in the uk after completing their studies. labour mps show that over staying is not a problem as they made clear at education questions in the commons. in light of the letter which shows levels of students overstaying is very low. will the government be introducing legislation? minister. mr speaker, we recognise
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the value of international students in our system the value of international students in oursystem and the value of international students in our system and that's why we've re ce ntly in our system and that's why we've recently asked the migration advisory committee to review in full the contribution they make to our university system. for yea rs university system. for years the prime minister told us we need to clamp down on international students overstaying their visas, using figures suggesting over 100,000 people remain in the uk legally but in fact we know that the figure is now a600 stu d e nts we know that the figure is now a600 students stopping the government we re students stopping the government were out by 95%. so please can i ask the minister today, does he fully support the prime minister's desire to keep international students in the net migration target?|j to keep international students in the net migration target? i was pleased to see the home office report on exit checks data published on the 24th of august showing students were largely compliant with immigration rules. that's an important bit of information and it
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underscores oui’ important bit of information and it underscores our intent to continue the situation that means there is no cap on the number of students that can come and study in this country. the snp have consistently called on the uk government to remove international students from the net migration figures. now the government figures on net migration of these students have been utterly discredited, will the minister outline has in calling for these stu d e nts to outline has in calling for these students to be permanently removed from net migration figures? as i said moments ago, the fact they're in the migration count doesn't limit the ability to recruit as many international students as they wish requiring they meet the requisite academic standards. that applies to scotland and england. what is the minister doing in respect to stu d e nts minister doing in respect to students on vocational courses who need to do work experience, which is regarded as illegal working by the home office leading to some
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unnecessary and heartbreaking deportations. mrjohnson. the right honourable member raises an important question. we must ensure that our offer for international students is competitive in all respects, that they feel they're going to get the kind of provision and opportunities to learn in a workplace environment that suits their needs and we'll study his comments with interest. joejohnson. comments with interest. joe johnson. meanwhile, comments with interest. joejohnson. meanwhile, students returning to university this autumn are facing higher interest charges on their loans. the rate will rise to 6.1%. the government insists the costs are split fairly twin graduates and the taxpayer, but at lord's question time some peers weren't so sure. at the end of three years, it's been estimated the average interest added at 6.1% will be £5,800. and as i put it to the minister, why is it that the government are determined to put stu d e nts the government are determined to put students into even more debt than they are now. why is rpi used as the
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rate of inflation when the government itself has rejected rpi when it comes to the issue of benefits and pensions, indeed it's only students and railway passengers who are actually penalised by the use of rpi. when is the government going to get real and review the rate of interest as a first stage towards reform of our university fee system ? well, my lords, the details of the scheme continue to be kept under review, but let me say, let me say that the student loan system is working well. the government reforms to the undergraduate student finance syste m to the undergraduate student finance system have ensured that it is financially sustainable for the taxpayer in the long—term, while enabling those with the talent to benefit from a higher education to benefit from a higher education to be able to do so. can i also say that young people from the poorest areas are a3% more likely to go to university than in 2009/10. this is
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a very good step in the right direction. the government cut the discount rate, that is its own measure of the liability to the public, arguing that it was able to borrow money more cheaply. and, at the same time, has hugely increased the same time, has hugely increased the interest rate the students have to pay. given that three quarters of stu d e nts to pay. given that three quarters of students do not pay the student loan backin students do not pay the student loan back in full, that means those who do will be paying back multiples, several times what they actually borrowed. well, i think i should say that the interest rate system actually ends up interest rate system actually ends up by interest rate system actually ends up by being a subsidy. if we think of one third of students going to university, and there's a third written off, so the whole complex syste m written off, so the whole complex system is designed to ensure this effective balance. 0nce graduates earn over £21,000, they effectively face a marginal tax rate of a1% after loan repayments
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are included irrespective of any rise in interest rates be charged. estimate has the government of the average debt of a graduate on leaving university. well, the debt... i have got those figures somewhere i think. i will write to the noble lord with those figures. they are in my pack somewhere. when student loans were first introduced by government, students we re introduced by government, students were promised that the threshold of £21,000 would increase in line with average earnings. so why has this commitment not been delivered? this is because it's not necessary to do so because the proportion of borrowers liable to repay when the £21,000 threshold took effect in april is significantly lower than could have been envisaged when the policy was originally introduced. the threshold will now be set at £19,000 if it was to reflect the
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same ratio of average earnings. it was reported at the weekend that mrs may was casting around for ways to ease the burdens on the students, wouldn't an obvious way of doing it be to reduce interest rates to something more like the rates banks we re something more like the rates banks were paying to investors? yes. there have been rumours in the press about a review, but i cannot confirm that at all. we believe the balance is right between making sure that the interest rates are right and that we encourage more people to go to university. there's been a troubled start to the government's flagship childcare policy. from the start of september working parents of children aged three and four in england are entitled to double the previous number of hours of free childcare week, up from 15 hours to 30 hours. but last week the process to apply for the childcare was described in the commons as not fit for purpose.
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mps continued with their criticisms at education questions. backin at education questions. back in 2015, mr speaker, david cameron promised the 30 hours would, in his words, the completely free. every nursery i speak to in cambridge tell me they're having to cross subsidise, often charge extras, including extras for lunch, to the secretary of state tell us in what sense that is completely free. minister. could i make clear once again that the 30 hours entitled is free additional hours, lunch and other add—ons can be charged but they must not be as a prerequisite to taking up the 30 hours. when fully up and running, how many working families will be able to ta ke working families will be able to take advantage of the 30 hours free childcare? and on average per year, per child, how much will it be worth to each of those families? minister. thank you. we saw some deliberately inadequate reporting in the sunday mirror this week which completely forgot the fact we're going to have
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three intakes in the year. as i've said, we've had only over 200,000 this time and we got a new intake in january and another one after easter. this is worth £5,000 per child, a great fillip for those wanting to get more out of work. a c grayling. thank you, mr speaker, in their ma nifesto thank you, mr speaker, in their manifesto the government said they would deliver high—quality childcare for working families with thousands more nursery places per year, but as they roll out their policy of 30 hours free childcare their ministers have admitted they will be 110,000 children of working parents who won't be eligible for the extended childcare entitlement simply because they do not earn enough, shutting out the families who most need additional support. this doesn't strike me as high—quality childcare but as another broken manifesto commitment akin to their betrayal on working tax credits in 2015. does the minister have any plans to deliver for the lowest earning and ha rd est deliver for the lowest earning and hardest pressed parents?
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minister. the honourable lady will be pleased to know during our roll—out in the pilot areas, 23% of mothers were able to take additional hours and 9% of fathers. but more importantly there are people who couldn't get work at all because because top childcare, now they can get in work and earn and supply a better lifestyle for their families. robert goodwill. that's it for this programme. christina cooper will be here for the rest of the week. but for now, from me, keith macdougall, goodbye. good morning. as we go through this week, there will be a distinct autumnal flavour to our weather. and in actualfact, it will be rather cool and windy at times. some showers will be heavy, possibly with rumbles thunder. we start not on a bad note.
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ten or 11 degrees, so a fresh start. five or six in rural spots. a predominantly dry start to the day, maybe even some glimpses of sunshine. a scattering of showers on the west—facing coast, but into the afternoon, cloud, wind, and rain will move into northern ireland and western scotland, in particular. we'll see the first signs of it through the isles of scilly and perhaps the far south of cornwall, but for the bulk of england and wales, in the afternoon, it is dry, sunny, with top temperatures around 15 to 18 degrees. as few isolated showers into north—west england, but the heaviest of the rain will be through northern ireland and western scotland. here, it will feel disappointingly cool, at about 12 or 13 degrees. some of that rain will start to be quite heavy. northern isles in eastern scotland, you will see some sunshine to end the day. but it's not set to last. for the champions league football taking place in the evening, most of the matches will be dry. the rain will pep up towards the end
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of the match for man united. so, that area of low pressure moves in. it will take some wet and windy weather. some rain will be heavy, through the early half of the night, and winds will start to strengthen, gusting to gales or severe gales in places. if you're out on the roads, that is worth keeping in mind, and best to stay tuned to a local bbc radio station for updates. gusts of wind along the south coast and across the high ground of scotland. 50—55mph. we really could see an intense spell of gales or severe gales in north wales and north england for a time. that pushes the rain rapidly through and leaves squally showers for wednesday. some heavy, possibly thundery. the showers, cool and disappointing. in the south—east, you'll escape most of the showers, and there could be some sunshine. 18 degrees the high. not much anywhere change into thursday. these bands of showery rain will slip south. the winds still coming
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from the north—west, providing a cool source, with some frequent showers, as well. disappointing showers, 13 to 18 degrees across the country on thursday afternoon. as we move out of thursday onto friday, it is mostly repeat performance. again, we have a north—westerly wind and plenty of showers, with highs disappointing. take care. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is gavin grey. our top stories: the caribbean struggles to cope in the wake of hurricane irma. we report from the british virgin islands where thousands have yet to receive any support. i have seen real strength and determination, but also desperation. a massive relief operation gears up across florida. the storm caused widespread damagem with millions facing weeks without power. the un security council unanimously backs another round of sanctions against north korea, ramping up pressure over its nuclear programme. and british mps back a key vote on brexit,
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