still git: m m 1 ‘ur zit“ m 1 1a? e“ zit“ rrur 2m ltu” women are still doing all this. every day my three daughters tell me lam part every day my three daughters tell me i am part of the problem because i am part of the patriarch e. so this entrenched system where men rule, and the self perpetuating continue to rule has not been budged an inch in 20 years. that is probably a function of pay as well. if a man and woman have a baby and the man earns more, can afford less to lose his wage than hers. absolutely. as the bbc campaigners for equal pay have said, amongst others, through a long time, the solution is simple, start paying women the same as men and other things will flow from that. and when we have these, k to discussions about that there is this factor and this factor, if companies just paid women the same amount they pay the men for thatjob, that just paid women the same amount they pay the men for that job, that would ta ke pay the men for that job, that would take you some way. homer simpson like, they might think, why didn't i do that? it would solve the problem in an instant. i believe there is a

law that says that should happen. the equalities act of 2010.|j law that says that should happen. the equalities act of 2010. i wonder why people are not enforcing it. perhaps the government or the official authorities are worried about offending big corporations which, dare i say, our donors to political parties. not this one. 0h, i'io. political parties. not this one. 0h, no. you've got that right. the daily telegraph is where we will finish for this review. nhs chiefs unveiled plan for spas and facials at hospitals. have you ever done a zomba class? it sounds painful to me. if you wanted to slip another disc, do that. this is the idea that it is the national health service, and maybe we should go to hospitals for prevention rather than treatment. i think it's a great idea andi treatment. i think it's a great idea and i suspect it won't be met with universal approval, but it is quite clear that a lot of health problems

in the uk, particularly a big city, which has got worse in recent decades are notjust medical issues, but they are lifestyle related. it isa but they are lifestyle related. it is a shame that people are not able to have a healthy lifestyle, cook well and exercise much before they get to this point, but if it turns out a hospital that they are incapable of living a healthy lifestyle, it's great that the hospital might make it easier. i am not convinced zumba is the solution. i absolutely take your point. when the nhs, every day, we are hearing is in financial crisis and has a massive shortage of doctors that might get worse with brexit, and there is a huge debate about the future of the service, which is the most cherished thing in this country. if they seem to be fiddling around the edges with what some critics call farcical ideas, i think that does look like a distraction. they should be concentrating on poor services, and that should be saving

life. that's it for the papers this hour. you'll both be back at 11:30pm. coming up next it's meet the author. munich. a word that in britain was turned from the simple name of a city, into a political label for the appeasement of hitler, perhaps political weakness in the face of aggression. it is the title of robert harris' new novel. a thriller set in that anxious prelude to the second world war, and a story of betrayal and loyalty. welcome. you face a interesting problem as an author here. you are trying to create tension,

a marvellous human story, against the backdrop where we know the outcome. you know, oddly enough that is not a problem. one of the best thrillers of recent times, the day of the jackal, we know de gaulle was not assassinated, a thrilling book. we know there was a deal at munich, that is not really the issue. it is how we get there, what went on behind the scenes. who was trying to do what, in order to get to a point with the other. what you have to do with this book, far from the essential human drama, which we will come to, for those who will not read it, is work out how hitler, for example, behaved in a room. how he looked at ribbentrop, chamberlain. what he was like? i must say, my biggest worry about writing the novel, i realised i had to have hitler close—up, you cannot write

a novel about the munich agreement without that. i did have one great piece of good fortune. oddly enough there is a 12—minute recording of adolf hitler speaking normally, it was recorded in finland in19113. nobody was aware of it, it turned up in the finnish archives. you hear him speak, this remorseless, grinding, at the same time, lively voice. that was a great help to me. you don't have any other leader in the second world war, we hear what they sound like over the dinner table. talking about leaders. you managed to evoke a certain amount of sympathy for what chamberlain was trying to do, and how he went about it. his fundamental decency, really. although he was duped. i have a great sympathy for chamberlain. i'm often drawn in life to unpopularfigures. chamberlain was unlike the modern caricature

of a weak leader we have. a terrifically strong leader. if i had to pick a recent prime minister he reminds me of, it is margaret thatcher. the same remorseless domination of his colleagues by his mastery of detail. he was as passionate for peace as hitler was passionate for war. munich describes a dual between these two men. oddly enough chamberlain wins the duel. i do think there is any doubt about that. hitler felt he had been cheated. and was furious with chamberlain. we remember it completely differently. very hard to convince people but that is how it looks to hitler. the drama that unfolded in the book, and i don't want to go to too much detail of the plot. a spoilerfor readers about to pick it up. there is human drama involving two people on different sides, as it were. who knew each other before the war.

what we see is the classic fight between loyalty to country and loyalty to one‘s own beliefs. that occurs again and again in your story. it always fascinates you. yes, i like the great historical event, and the individual conscience caught up in it. i've wanted to write a novel about munich for 13 years. i had the idea of a civil servant who travelled with chamberlain on his plane to see hitler. i could not see where else it went. a man having problems in his private life, his wife having an affair. at which point do you stop appeasing in the private life, as well as the international stage. that was my original conceit. last year, i thought, if he was at oxford around 1930, and there was a german scholar, like ribbentrop, and they were great friends, and they travelled on adolf hitler's train overnight to munich, as my other protagonist travelled from london on chamberlain‘s plane.

and they met. that would take me into the conference. a wonderful sense of fun, on the author's part. serious, but fun nonetheless. of trying to create the atmosphere in the room. it has to come out of your imagination. we know the historical fa ct afterwards. we can work out the various strategies. but what it was like, what the smell was like, what the fuel was like. the atmosphere, the lighting, that is in your head. great fun to make it up. i had three great visits writing this book, one was around downing street after six o'clock i was allowed in, and shown chamberlain‘s private study. the geography of downing street. then in munich, the building where the munich conference took place. it is hardly changed. untouched by allied bombing. a lot of the decoration is still there. the study where the conference took place, you can see. then hitler's apartment.

there i was very fortunate to get into that, it is a police headquarters, closed off. that was staggering. do you think you know what it felt like to walk into that room, when chamberlain and hitler met in person? i think i do. i read all the accounts i could. history to me is a very live thing. i don't necessarily believe in ghosts, but i believe in picking up, as it were, the tremors of the past. i feel that quite strongly. when i go to these places. always in my books i have a strong sense of place, i needed that physicality. to go there, yes, i did feel i could imagine what it was like. the room was filled with uniforms, ss uniforms, goring, himmler, hess. various types. the italians in their smart fascist uniforms. then these rather dowdy civilians

from london and paris turn up. and the crowds outside. the swastikas. i did not realise the munich conference took place in the absolute heart of nazism. there were all the eternal flames. the grand reviewing area and so on. like a pagan city within a city. to bring all of that alive, for me, that is a great pleasure of writing. we are both of the post—war generation. the shadow of these events was so strong over us. the interpretation was so vivid, by our parents' generation. we are now almost creeping out of that shadow, beginning to be able to get it as human beings. we have this churchillian view of history. he was such a brilliant storyteller. a creative writer in a way, as well as prime minister. he has conditioned this whole island story of ours.

of course neville chamberlain was given a very poor part. i don't think without ‘38, without munich, there would not have been the glorious victories of19110. or the survival of19110. poor old neville chamberlain died early on in the war. unable to give his version of events afterwards. he has many faults. in the end, appeasement failed. in the end, he got it wrong. i am not sure that any prime minister would have done anything different to what he did. i think he was aware, at least there was a pretty strong chance the agreement would not hold. the british by 1939, under chamberlain, were spending 50% of government revenue on rearmament. imagine if we were to do that now. part of the idea of the book, we have plenty of representations in fiction and on film of winston churchill, but i thought it would be interesting to try and represent chamberlain, what he was like.

robert harris, author of munich, thank you very much. good evening. most of the showers we have seen over easter now is easier way through the course of the night, so mostly dry and clear with light winds and in the countryside we could see the temperatures falling close to freezing across the north and west of the country, in particular. during monday morning after the fresh start with mist and fog it should clear away. sunny spells and scattered showers during the afternoon, particularly for central and eastern parts where it will be cooler, but further west you are more likely to stay dry. during monday evening we will see showers moving their way south, clearing the south coast by the early hours of tuesday morning. temperatures are

fairly cool in rural spots first things on tuesday but things will turn milder during tuesday, view showers, and highs around 15 or 18 degrees. goodbye —— if you showers. this is bbc news. the headlines at 11:00 — the uk terror threat level has been reduced from critical to severe, as a second man is arrested after a bomb was left on a london tube train. following the attack last friday, the police have made good progress with what is an ongoing operation. borisjohnson is accused of misusing official figures, for repeating claims that leaving the eu will free up £350 million a week. counting the cost of hurricane irma in the british virgin islands, but another powerful storm is on its way. the us secretary of state, rex tillerson, has said president trump is open to keeping america in the paris accord on climate change.

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