hello it's tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme our top story today: the latest war of words between north korea and donald trump's america. overnight north korea accused washington of declaring war on the country. america called that claim absurd. translation: i will tame him. if north korea does anything like an attack on anything we love, anything we represent, our allies, attack on anything we love, anything we represent, ourallies, or us, they can be very nervous. so, what might happen next? also on the programme — i in every 100 of us are affected by a condition which leaves them feeling as though they're in a permanent haze or fog, that the world appears in 2d and that they're unable to feel love — but most gps don't know about it. we'll speak to some of those affected by depersonalisation disorder. it is very frightening to be

insisting, certainly to a professional, that something isn't right, that something is going on in your head, and that people just be baffled. that's frightening in of itself. we'll speak to some of those affected by depersonalisation disorder. plus we've heard before on this programme from families who've adopted children who told us they felt failed by authorities who haven't warned them the extent of their childs problems — now a new survey suggests half of adoptive parents live with a child who is violent. as always really keen to hear your experiences this morning. hello... welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. latest breaking news and developing stories throughout the programme — a little later we'll be hearing more calls for contact rugby — that's tackles or scrums — in schools. campaigners say it can lead to dislocated shoulders,

spinal injuries and head injuries which can have life—long, and life—ending consequences. but supports of the sport say it's safer in schools than it's ever been. —— but supporters of the sport say it's safer in schools than it's ever been. keen to hear your views if your children play it in school — do get in touch — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today — the united states has dismissed a statement from north korea accusing washington of declaring war on it as "absurd". the north korean foreign minister made the comments in response to a tweet from president trump suggesting north korea would not "be around much longer". ri yung—ho also said the country had the right to shoot down us bombers, even if they are outside its airspace. danny savage reports. american military aircraft, preparing for a show of force close to the north korean coast. these planes went on to fly in international airspace near the east of the country,

further north in the region than they ever have been. the us said it was a demonstration of their resolve. now north korea has reacted to donald trump's threats and actions by claiming the us has declared war on them. translation: since the us declared war on our country we have every right to take countermeasures, including shooting down us strategic bombers, even if they are not yet inside the airspace border of our country. the question of who will not be around for much longer will be answered them. but the white house said it is absurd to think they are at war with north korea and has tried to strike a more diplomatic tone overnight. it's never appropriate for a country to shoot down another country's aircraft when it is over international waters. our goal is the same, we continue to seek peace over the korean peninsula.

that's our focus. but north korea's interpretation of us actions and its proposed response is another escalation in this ongoing crisis. so far this has been and remains a war of words, but if american planes do clash with the north korean military the risk of tipping into conflict increases dramatically. danny savage, bbc news, seoul, south korea. and dannyjoins us now from seoul. will this end up in conflict? i don't think so. you talk to most experts and they don't believe north korea has the ability to shoot down these high—tech american bombers and fighters jets that took part in that mission at the weekend. it was on saturday night those bombers flew up the east coast of north korea. i understand they kept a reasonably decent distance off the coast. international airspace starts about

12 kilometres from the coast. if americans keep doing these missions, and they probably will continue to have these shows of force, it's a big dealfor the north korea is to actually track the plane through radar, target it with a missile, but they only need to get lucky once. chances are they either will not fire, or they would get the opportunity to, i think. thanks very much. rebecca jones is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. good morning. labour is calling for the government to spend an extra half a billion pounds on hospital accident and emergency units in england this winter. it says there'll be a crisis if it doesn't. the party is also planning a review of the help offered by the nhs to people who are addicted to gambling. the prime minister is due to hold talks with the european council president, donald tusk, in downing street later today. mr tusk represents the eu heads of government who'll decide

next month if enough progress has been made on so—called divorce issues to allow trade talks with britain. so far, the eu has refused to discuss anything but the irish border, the financial settlement and citizens' rights. experts are calling for greater recognition of depersonalisation order, a condition as widespread as schizophrenia but often not picked up schizophrenia but often not picked up by schizophrenia but often not picked up by doctors. the disorder is characterised by a sense of disconnection from the world. sufferers say it appears on real, as if they are experiencing life through a haze or fog. if they are experiencing life through a haze orfog. one in 100 people is thought to have the condition. more than a quarter of parents who've adopted children say their family is at crisis point. research for the bbc and the charity, adoption uk, found that a majority of those questioned said their child had been violent, including punching, kicking and threatening them with knives. a 28—year—old man will appear

in court later, charged with assaulting a surgeon who was stabbed while he made his way into a mosque. nasser kurdy was injured outside altrincham and hale muslim association in cheshire on sunday. ian anthony rook, of no fixed address, will appear at manchester city magistrates accused of grievous bodily harm and possession of a lethal weapon. there's been a new call to protect children from the risk of serious injury by banning tackling and scrummaging in school rugby. a public health expert from newcastle university says a ban would reduce concussion, head and neck injuries. last year, the four most senior doctors in england, wales, scotland and northern ireland ruled out a ban. three israelis have been shot dead by a palestinian at the entrance to a jewish settlement in the occupied west bank — that's according to israeli police. the gunman, a 37—year—old

from a nearby village, was also shot and died later. police say he opened fire on police and security guards as he waited with labourers to enter the settlement. counting is underway in the independence referendum in the kurdish region of iraq. the ballot went ahead despite objections from the iraqi government, turkey and iran. there's little doubt it will endorse the idea of an independent homeland. prince harry and his girlfriend meghan markle have made their first official public appearance together at the invictus games in toronto. they walked hand—in—hand before sitting together to watch wheelchair tennis at the sports event for injured service personnel, which was founded by the prince. do get in touch with us throughout the morning —

use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. today we will be talking about adoption. many families with adopted children are in crisis. because they we re children are in crisis. because they were not given the full information about the child they adopted in the first place, and when they reach out for help it is often not forthcoming. we would love to hear your experiences, both positive and negative. let's get some sport with jessica and gareth barry has reached a real milestone, hasn't he? is that 633 appearances in the premier league? yes, that's right. the most in history. the man he overtook, ryan giggs, used to play for manchester united. he said he used ryan giggs asa united. he said he used ryan giggs as a role model to try and improve his own longevity. tips about warming up and cooling down and yoga. it has been well—documented y°93 yoga. it has been well—documented yoga can increase your flexibility, suppleness, and for football as

yoga can increase your flexibility, suppleness, and forfootball as it is good for injury prevention. a great achievement for barry. he was in action last night for west brom against arsenal. they ended up losing 2—0, so not the best of matches for barry to reach such a milestone. but let's listen to what he had to say after the match. i've had a lot of media attention this week. it is not something i crave. it will be nice to finally put this milestone to bed and concentrate on the games. you have gone past ryan giggs' record, has he beenin gone past ryan giggs' record, has he been in touch? i got a message from him in the week. it was a nice touch from ryan to say congratulations. him in the week. it was a nice touch from ryan to say congratulationslj think that quote sums him up. he reaches an amazing milestone, but he just wants to get on with it, put that to bed and get on with playing football. i like the low—key attitude. and what about the reaction to this milestone? as you can imagine, something like this for gareth barry, the tweets

have been coming in on social media from pundits and other players alike. looking rather young in that picture. crazy to think he was just 17 when he made his debut for aston villa in 1998. he says he can go on further. there is another record for him to break, that is for top—flight football, which stands at 672 appearances. but that might take him appearances. but that might take him a bit longer. now, there's a great story in bobsleigh with the british women's team taking to crowd—funding in a bid to get to the winter olympics. what's been going on? they are very determined to get there. this is interesting.

bobsleigher is one of the best funded winter sports by the uk. —— bobsledding is one of the best funded winter sports by the uk. they have cut the funding to the women's tea m have cut the funding to the women's team five months before the winter olympics in south korea. there have been allegations of responding by the management. that means that the tea m the management. that means that the team have had to rely on donations from the public. they have exceeded their target of £30,000. they were on about £32,000 about an hour ago. mcneill, one of the drivers, says she has been overwhelmed by the support from the public. she has been overwhelmed by the support from the publiclj she has been overwhelmed by the support from the public. i think we can handle the pressure. we are powered by the people now. for people to believe in us, support are scum and all of the nice messages we've had, and all of those donations, people believe enough and that lifts us and it gives you what

you need to push harder. it makes you need to push harder. it makes you work more. you want to make everybody proud. that means they will be able to compete on the world cup circuit which gets underway in november. they say if they get to the olympics they have a brilliant chance of a medal. when you consider they became world junior champion this year you would say they have a very good chance. but we will see what happens. thank you. at the beginning of this year we revealed on this programme how parents of adopted children are being failed by authorities and not offered enough support to deal with vulnerable and damaged children. at the time the charity adoption uk told us a quarter of adopted families were in crisis. now a survey of adopted parents suggests more than half of those questioned reported living with a child who was violent, that they'd sometimes been punched by the child, kicked or threatened with knives. even more serious incidents included hospital visits and sexual assault. before we chat about this in more

detail here's a short extract of our report from january. rob — which isn't his real name — and his wife have children of their own, but they adopted three siblings. the reports warned the eldest had problems, but nothing prepared them for the reality. he was violent towards my wife. so she got kicked, thumped, things like that quite a lot. and quite a lot of emotional abuse towards her as well. this is from a four or five—year—old kid. we were just shell—shocked, really. what was the trauma like on you and your wife? well, my wife really shows the sort of symptoms you'd expect from someone who suffered domestic abuse at times. erm... we can speak now to two people

who have made the agonising decision to hand back their child. we're protecting their identities in order to protect their children. rebecca sent her son back into care and one of martin's sons put himself back into care. june leat chairs the potato group which aims to support parents who adopt traumatised teenagers. we can also speak to kate, who has three adopted sons. thank you very much for talking to us. thank you very much for talking to us. i'm going to read this text from somebody who doesn't leave their name. "we disrupted our adoption after two years. name. "we disrupted our adoption after two yea rs. we name. "we disrupted our adoption after two years. we battled to get understanding and help. much crucial information about our daughter was not shared and adoptive family set—up for her was not suitable at all. there is woeful knowledge of attachment problems which makes it impossible for carers to look after such children and in fact makes the carers vulnerable. since disrupting,

we have encountered notjust incompetence, but outright deception from social services. her next placement broke down after false allegations. we have counted at least 25 adults and children's lives changed as a result of our adoption and the aftermath." i'm going to bring in rebecca. you can relate to some of that. you adopted your son age six—and—a—halfment there were a number of issues. most of which you weren't told about by social services? no, but it became apparent within hours of him arriving in our home with violence, biting, just, yeah, things being thrown and him telling me he was desperate to kill me. so yeah... some of the language that he used as well suggested that he had a traumatic childhood? yes, his language from very, very early on was very sexualised. his

behaviour towards me was very sexualised and it was at that point i made phone calls and tried to unpick what was going on and i spoke to one of his previous foster carers and they had been interviewed by the police and there was, you know, it became apparent of the different kind of neglect and abuse he had been subjected to. social services didn't tell you any of that? no. no indication at all. and what do you think the reason might be for that? i think it would have, you know, he was a very difficult child to be placed for adoption and they took a gamble. because they thought if they told you, you might turn it down? yes. yes, ithink told you, you might turn it down? yes. yes, i think he would have been, they were concerned that he would be left in their care system which is an expensive care system and you know, adoptions are a cheaper option. and they given you the full information what would you have done? i would have adopted him.

i would have parented him differently. i invited into my bed in the morning to watch peppa pig. what a horrible start to his day, how frightening. father christmas, a strange man coming into your home leaving presents because you were good. i would leaving presents because you were good. iwould have leaving presents because you were good. i would have made clear no man is going to come into your bedroom. i would have just parented him differently. you he went back into care? he went back into care. i needed to keep him safe and i needed to keep him alive. i needed to stay alive. so he was a threat not only to himself, but to you? yes, without a doubt. and our psychiatrist, said there is an unacceptable psychiatrist, said there is an u na cce pta ble level of psychiatrist, said there is an unacceptable level of risk to life to both parent and child and yet, nobody will return my phone calls and nobody would reply to my e pails. i couldn't get any support. it was the only option i had to keep

him alive. i'm going bring in martin and explain why you're wearing hoodies. it is just so you can't be identified and therefore, the children that we're referring to can't be identified which is really important. you adopted siblings from the same family obviously. yes. when did problems start and what sort of problems did you encounter? so we had problems not qis as immediately as rebecca on my left, but once the problems began, there was no support from social services and i think it was sad to say that the problems could easily have been identified if the research had been done before the research had been done before the children had been placed. there was a lot of involvement by social services at different places. the placing authority never did their work to find out actually what background they came from. that only came to light a few years ago which has been what has caused so much of the attachment problems with the children. so, we love each and

everyone of the kids, but it's hard. yes. had you been given more information at the beginning, what difference would that have made? information at the beginning, what difference would that have made ?|j think because they are a sibling group, the perceived wisdom at the time was that they should all be adopted as a group. i think that was probably the wrong decision and i think with the benefit of hindsight and also if they had done their work earlier, it would have been better for each of the children if they had actually been placed individually. and the reason for that, you say, is because they were traumatised as a group when they were younger and being together you believe ended up sort of retraumatising, is that how you describe it? each of the children, when you take them on theirown, children, when you take them on their own, lovely kids. they're fairly normal, but when they get

together, whether that be all of them together or whether it isjust a couple of them together then their behaviour becomes much more aggressive. they get back into what people refer to as the trauma bond. their behaviour becomes very much younger, riskier, more aggressive, much more challenging to us as parents... when you asked for help? yes. which presumably you did from social services, what happened? more about three or four years, absolutely nothing. what do you mean? i mean, nothing. i mean, we continued to struggle on with no help from social services at all. they did finally step in a few years ago, literally at the point where we asked them to take them back into ca re asked them to take them back into care because we couldn't cope. i think that was the only thing that forced their hand if they thought they were going to have the children backin they were going to have the children back in care which as rebecca says is an expensive thing to do. ? and when you asked for help,

rebecca, what happened? nothing. absolutely nothing, phone calls weren't returned. i mean, really nothing. i have my out of education, having been excluded from special needs schools, i know it was only after he was arrested and in a police station that it was at that point that i said he cannot return home, but nothing. i mean absolutely nothing. do you understand the pressure that social services are under, stretched budgets and potentially not enough staff dealing with very, very vulnerable and traumatised children, you can see, can you not, if a child has been placed, well look they might behaving a few problems, but look at the other children that are still in ca re the other children that are still in care that we're still trying to place with adoptive families? actually if the investment is done early, it makes an enormous amount of difference. they're not going to know which ones really need the support. there are, i am sure many adoptive families out there. it has

worked. they have made a huge difference to those children and to their own lives, but more work needs to be done before the children are adopted. we had something like 18 months of questionnaires and investigation into us as appropriate people to adopt children and clearly, we passed. quite right too. i think it is entirely appropriate. but if they put the same effort into looking at the children and their background and the challenges that we would face, we were just told it isa we would face, we were just told it is a sibling group. that's the problem. i mean can you say hand on heart you would have still gone ahead with adopting the siblings had you known everything? ahead with adopting the siblings had you known everything ?|j ahead with adopting the siblings had you known everything? i think had we known everything we would not have adopted all of them because that would not have been fair on the children and it wouldn't have been fairon us, but children and it wouldn't have been fair on us, but i think adoption is the right answer for each of them. i'm going to bring in kate who is with us in ipswich. i know you're listening intently to the stories of rebecca and martin. how is it

different parenting an adopted child toa different parenting an adopted child to a birth child? well, obviously i don't really know that because i can't compare the two, but i did kind of make a list of professionals that i have had to speak to in the la st that i have had to speak to in the last couple of months because i presumed this is different parenting. do you mind ifi presumed this is different parenting. do you mind if i read from my notes? go go ahead. in the la st two from my notes? go go ahead. in the last two months i have had to deal on several occasion with police, solicitors, a&e, social workers, the youth offending team, several members of staff in the local authority, senco team, my local mp, authority, senco team, my local mp, a neuro psychologist, a therapist, the permanence team, the homeless team, social care, psychiatrists and doctors, not to mention locksmiths and double glazing people. 0h doctors, not to mention locksmiths and double glazing people. oh my gosh. that sounds like... sorry to

interrupt, kate. that sounds like an enormous amount of stress. tell our audience why you have had been dealing with those agencies. what's going on with your adoptive sons? well, it seems to me that with an awful lot of cases it just goes along with the territory of adopting along with the territory of adopting a large percentage of children where they are traumatised and expressed and extremely unhappy. they feel worthless and it's very sad to witness and all of those people i've just mentioned i think it is important to say, it's all been very reactive, it's not been proactive and we have asked for help for 15 years because i have had my boys for 15 or 16 years now and it's very, it's not forthcoming and i think thatis it's not forthcoming and i think that is the very sad thing that all of this money and expertise and energy is being used after the event

whereas if it could be used before the event in the very early stages, it may save everybody quite a lot of trauma and heartache and you know, expense and everything else. absolutely. i'm going to bring in june who is from this organisation that helps a lot of these parents. i mean how significant an issue is this with the kind of adoptive pa rents this with the kind of adoptive parents that you come into contact with? certainly we've only been phoned as a group —— formed as a group forfour years. phoned as a group —— formed as a group for four years. we phoned as a group —— formed as a group forfour years. we have phoned as a group —— formed as a group for four years. we have around about 400 members. we have new members wanting to join us almost every week. right. and those members are as it says within the title of the groups parents of traumatising adopted teenagers and i'm kind of hopeful, you know that potato won't be needed in about ten years' time. well, what would have changed? i'm hopeful the government of the day,

whoever that is, the adoption leadership board, adoption uk, will do the work that they need to do where our children were failed. so, in terms of the information about the trauma that your child has suffered before they're placed with you, making sure that properly funded therapeutic needs are met and addressed by proper people who understand the needs of our families, notjust our child. what about some kind of legal requirement that social services, local authorities, are required to give full disclosure? i really don't think it is a problem today. i think it was a problem for those of us that have got teenagers. that would be good, but you have human beings working within the system and for whatever, some human beings, social workers who are working with the first family, the birth family,

might not still, even if there is legislation, actually do that. well, why not? you can hear the trau what in martin's voice... absolutely. you can hear what rebecca has gone through. kate has listed the dozens of organisations that she had to be in touch with. we have talked to pa rents in touch with. we have talked to parents who effectively were lied to about the backgrounds of the children that they adopted and it has been terrible, not only for the children, but for those parents. absolutely. why not make it a legal requirement? well, that would be good. perhaps you could ask the department for education to back that. would you back that? what needs to happen. there needs to be an open gate keep way for the whole of the young person, where you need help as an adoptive parent for your child you get it. what sort of help? councillors? well, we are talking

about the disclosure for a start, the whole understanding of where our children have come from. then we're talking about first and fore most education. because the majority of education. because the majority of education that are placed by, by far the majority of children that are placed, are placed precool or in the early years of primary school, key stage 1. if the information that we get about our children as parents, tells that we really need to be looking out for their long—term futures, to become normal adults of the future, we need to make sure they have got the right education. we shouldn't be battling to get state m e nts we shouldn't be battling to get statements of special educational needs because our children need more support in the classroom. if our children, like so many potato members have to go into special needs, we shouldn't be battling to get that. it should just be a matter of course. you know, these children, we re of course. you know, these children, were removed, almost inevitably because their lives were at risk from their first families through

abuse and neglect and so the bottom line is, if you want the children to live and to grow and to be normal human beings and adults and good enough parents of the future, you need to put in the resources at the beginning. as we heard from kate and martin and rebecca, that they have had to fight for everything. i'm going to read some messages. i adopted two children, five and seven, it broke up my marriage and it has been so stressful. both children are back in care, one after seven yea rs, children are back in care, one after seven years, the other after 11 yea rs. seven years, the other after 11 years. both have mental and behavioural difficulties. another one, i adopted two traumatise children, social services did not tell the full story of known genetic problems and lied if we ask if the children had been abused. another, a social worker asked me once what i

was scared of happening with my violent son, and i replied, being murdered. janet says, we adopted two siblings, both have had behavioural difficulties. the younger ones were not —— and the younger one is now leading a productive life. the other one has had significant problems and was regularly violent throughout childhood and adolescence. it was difficult to live with. the difficulties we had with our son did not only relate to violence. one of the questions we were asked as part of the adoption process was, what kind of child would you find difficult to cope with? i thought it was a stupid question at the time. all pa rents was a stupid question at the time. all parents going to parent and not knowing what will be thrown at you. but forced to answer, i said i would not be able to cope with an adult with a permanent disability, this is exactly what we have now. matt says

i was adopted as a baby and my family had to cope with me developing parkinson's aged eight. they have been truly amazing. thank you for those. rebecca, your relationship with the sun that you gave back into care, is that the right expression, handed back? how would you describe that? we entered the care system. your relationship now? it is good. -- re-entered the ca re system. now? it is good. -- re-entered the care system. i admire him for being a survivor, and i like being a mother. and you see him regularly? yes. we both realise that he could not have coped in another family. we need the huge support he has now, but it nearly killed both of us to get that support. as much as i love him,i get that support. as much as i love him, iam bitter, iam get that support. as much as i love him, i am bitter, i am angry at having to fight, and fight for what

he needed to recover from having to fight, and fight for what he needed to recoverfrom his trauma. i think that is shocking. and it is wrong. would you advise pa rents, and it is wrong. would you advise parents, would—be parents, watching right now... —— watching right now to adopt? that is difficult answer. i really love being a mother. i would not put others off adoption. it isa would not put others off adoption. it is a good thing, it is the right thing, but we need the support, and that would be the advice i would. get the support signed and sealed. then be prepared for thejourney. martin, what would you say, would you advise others to adopt? in the right circumstances, certainly. we adopted a sibling group. my advice would be to adopt as young as possible and as few as possible. as rebecca says, be prepared for the ride. it is a pretty hard ride. and

push social services to get the right information to properly look at the children's background so you understand what you are taking on, rather than finding out in five years' time. same question to you, kate. i would say absolutely because i'm glad i've got the opportunity to say that my boys are amazing. they have their moments. some of them are tricky. but they absolutely deserve as much help as possible. and as parents, you know, we need help, as well. my middle son, before it came on, said if you ever want to speak to an adopted boy about their experience he would be more than happy to speak to you. —— before i came on. how old is he? 15. we will come back to you, kate, we really appreciate you, and we would love to

speak to your son, absolutely. all right, thank you. thanks to all of you for coming onto the programme. your experiences are welcome. thank you so farfor your your experiences are welcome. thank you so far for your messages. we have a special programme on radio 4 tonight about the subject at 8pm. still to come: depersonalisation disorder, you may not have heard of it but it is a mental health disorder that affects one in 100 people and most medics don't know about it. it can lead to people feeling like they are not living life and had even stops them from feeling love. we will explain more shortly. in the wake of hurricane maria which struck over a week ago, we talk to people on the island of puerto rico which has been devastated—leaving most of it's population without water or power. we will talk to some of the islanders. time for the latest news, here's rebecca. north korea's claim that it has the right to shoot down us bombers, even if they are outside

its airspace, has been condemned by the white house. pyongyang claims president trump has declared war on north korea, a suggestion dismissed as absurd by the white house. labour is calling for the government to spend an extra half £1 billion on hospital accident and emergency unit in england this winter. it says there will be a crisis if there is not more funding. the party is also planning a review offered by the nhs to people who are addicted to gambling. mental health experts have told the victoria derbyshire programme that there needs to be greater recognition of depersonalisation disorder, a condition which is as widespread as schizophrenia, but is often not picked up by doctors. depersonalisation disorder is characterised by a sense of disconnection from the world. sufferers say the world appears unreal as if they're experiencing life through a haze or fog. one in 100 people is thought to have the condition.

more than a quarter of parents who have adopted children say their family is at crisis point. research on the bbc and the charity adoption uk found on the bbc and the charity adoption ukfound a on the bbc and the charity adoption uk found a majority of those questioned said their child had been violent, including punching, kicking, and threatening them with knives. there's been a new call to protect children from the risk of serious injury by banning tackling and scrummaging in school rugby. a public health expert from newcastle university says a ban would reduce concussion, head and neck injuries. last year, the four most senior doctors in england, wales, scotland and northern ireland ruled out a ban. prince harry and his girlfriend meghan markle have made their first official public appearance together at the invicta this —— at the

invictus games in toronto. the games was founded by the prince. that is the summary of the latest bbc news. back to victoria. this text from kerry, we adopted my daughter when she was 18 months old. she was abusive towards me, head—butting, slapping, and throwing things at me. i'd used to wear make up things at me. i'd used to wear make up so people did not think it was my husband. we didn't know she had attachment problems. we knew she has multiple moves in her short life. we did not ask for help because we were afraid she would be taken from us, even though we were struggling. luckily i was just as stubborn as she was with me and we stuck it out. now she is 12, and just as laughing. she was hurting, frightened, and i did not help her. —— just as

laughing. now she is older she says mum,i laughing. now she is older she says mum, iam laughing. now she is older she says mum, i am glad you did not give up on me, even when i was at my worst, i'm so sorry for what i did to you. we have a beautiful, loving child now and i'm thankful to everybody who helped us get her. we were expecting hard work, it was, and i'm so sorry for those whose adoption places breakdown. thank you for that. here's some sport now withjessica. good morning. gareth barry has now appeared in more premier league matches than any other player. he beat ryan giggs' record when he ran out for the 633rd time last night in west brom's game at arsenal. the result didn't go his way — arsenal's summer signing, alexandre lacazette, struck yet again, scoring both goals in their 2—0 win at the emirates england scrum—half. ben youngs says rugby union players cannot be pushed any further. he echoes the fears of team—mate billy vunipola that an 11 month season will cause injuries and burn—out. and mica mcneill reaches her £30,000 crowd —funding target,

after british bobsleigh withdrew their financial support. she and team—mate mica moore will now be able to compete at the world cup and, hopefully, the winter olympics. that is all the sport for now. more on those stories just after ten. thanks very much. welcome to the programme. next this morning, we're going to talk about a a mental health condition that leaves people unable to feel love for their own family. that leaves the world around them feeling unreal and distorted. and even leaves some seeing life in 2d. chances are you haven't heard of it, but it is thought to affect one in 100 people, making it as common as ovd and schizophrenia. it's called depersonalisation derealisation disorder. but there is no mention of it in gp training, meaning doctors are failing to diagnose people. and even when those with the condition do seek help, there is only one specialist clinic in the whole of the uk, which doesn't treat

children or under 18s. now a leading expert has told this programme that provisions must be put in place to improve awareness among medical professionals and access to care for patients. adam eley has more. it was a very sort of sudden flick of a switch, that everything suddenly became very two—dimensional. things felt really alien and threatening. it's a condition most gps have never heard of. but one in 100 people are thought to have depersonalisation disorder. everything seems unreal. like there's a fog between what you see and what your brain interprets. the mental health condition leaves people feeling disconnected from their own body and the world around them. suddenly your flat will suddenly feel like a film set. my possessions feel like props. medical professionals are failing to diagnose it and treatment can take years, even decades to find. of my gp colleagues,

i would be very surprised if any of them had heard of depersonalisation disorder. experts say action needs to be taken. but the question is whether it will come any time soon. i felt confused, i felt alien... sarah is an actress. since university she's had several chronic episodes of depersonalisation disorder, a mental health condition that makes the world seem unfamiliar and unreal. it's often triggered by movements of acute stress or anxiety. for sarah, it started while studying for herfinal exams. i've described it since as a feeling of having emotionally flatlined. everything suddenly became very two—dimensional. things felt really alien and threatening. it felt like two parts of me had sort of separated. so my physical being in the world and my mind.

suddenly yourflat, or somewhere that is very, very familiar to you will suddenly feel like a film set. my possessions feel like props. one in 100 people, more than 600,000 in the uk, are estimated to be living with the condition, known in full as depersonalisation—derealisation disorder. it can start at any time, but usually in adolescence or early adulthood. it's believed to start as a defence mechanism, helping people to cope during a period of severe anxiety or trauma by switching off reality. it can also be triggered by drug use, such as cannabis or ecstasy. but while in many people the symptoms will pass, in others they can remain for decades if untreated. those with the condition report a sense of detachment from the world and self, seeing the world as if through a haze or fog, the world appearing in 2d — as if objects are flat, like in a cartoon — watching themselves as if from afar,

in an out of body experience, feeling detached from their own body parts, and an emotional numbing. relationships you know you value deeply suddenly lose their essential quality. you know that you love your family, but you sort of know it academically, rather than feeling it in the normal way. people ask you if you love them, how you feel, and you can't say i love you if you are emotionally blunt. daniel bell lives in chatham in kent, where he cares for his dad. he developed depersonalisation disorder four years ago as a result of anxiety and it's never gone away. like many others, he now sees the world in 2d, sarah has done previously. i was reading a book, i was holding the book and suddenly my hands holding the book looked like a picture of a pair of hands holding a book.

so i felt this separation between the physical world and my perception of it. is literally like you are watching a cartoon. it's the only way i can explain it. everything just compresses flat. you still know that if you look up the road there is a house to the side, that is past that point, because your brain tells you. but what you physically see is flat and lifeless. on occasion, daniel has out of body experiences, too. i'd be working on my bike and i had the feeling that i was beside myself, looking at myself. it was horrible. it petrified me. it was one of the most disturbing things i'd ever experienced. daniel says his mental health has been made worse by the failure of successive medical professionals to diagnose him correctly. doctors, they would say i was just depressed.

i was given antidepressants like it was going out of fashion. i'd have one lot, it wouldn't work. i'd try another lot, that wouldn't work. then that's the cycle that i was going through. i'd sit down and i'd talk to my dad, and i was in tears. for days and weeks i'd be crying to him. i'd be begging my dad to get help. but he can't do any more than what the doctors do. if they're saying you're just depressed and you need to take this or that, then he's helpless. he was absolutely helpless. i felt he was the only person i could turn to. in the end, my own father was the only person i felt i had get help from. he says the situation only began to progress when he attempted suicide. i tried to take my own life and it wasn't until that happened that i was referred to secondary care. if i hadn't been referred to secondary care, i don't think i would ever have got the help i need. me and my counsellor,

we pretty much googled what my symptoms were and she came up to me one day and said, "is that what's wrong with you?" i was, like, yeah, to a t. that's what's wrong with me. simon, whose name we've changed, also lives with the disorder. he is a newly qualified gp, and says very few of his colleagues will have heard of the condition. past studies have suggested people wait an average of eight to 12 years for a successful diagnosis. this is despite the condition having been medically recognised for decades and being as widespread as conditions such as ocd and schizophrenia. i think of my gp colleagues, i would be very surprised if any of them had heard of depersonalisation disorder. i imagine there's going to be many, many people suffering from the condition who will have had a late diagnosis and worsening of symptoms because of the fact that they're not diagnosed or treated at an early stage. there was nothing in my training at all about depersonalisation disorder. i never came across it both during my training as a gp

or in my training at medical school. if you compare this to disorders such as ocd and bipolar disorder, if it has the same prevalence, then it should therefore have the same coverage. the royal college of gps says mental health is a key part of its curriculum and that training on complex mental health problems is being developed. the royal college's psychiatrist says that knowledge of the condition must be improved. simon says before he developed the condition himself he wrongly diagnosed at least two of his own patients. unfortunately, due to my lack of awareness of the condition i wasn't able to make a diagnosis. therefore, those two patients are not currently treated, to the best of my knowledge, for depersonalisation disorder. it's very frightening to be insisting, certainly to a professional, that something's not something's gone wrong in your head, and for people to just be baffled. you know, that's frightening in itself.

the gps should know the word depersonalisation. i think certain presenting factors need to be recognised. if someone goes to the gp and they describe a feeling of unreality, that they don't feel real, that things don't feel real, things feel dream—like, they feel detached, these should be key words that people are picking up on. the medical professionals have you seen to haven't known about the condition? oh, my word... i've seen... possibly up to 20 people over the years who haven't known what i was talking about. community psychiatric nurses, gps, therapists, private therapists, counsellors. they haven't heard of it.

it's not part of their training, it's not part of their vocabulary. sarah eventually got a correct diagnosis, but only by looking up the condition herself. this was only part of the issue. there's only one specialist clinic in all of the uk, and access to it on the nhs requires funding from your local clinical commissioning group. even with a diagnosis, having been treated previously for the same condition, sarah's latest attempt to find help became a struggle. the process had taken over a year when she neared crisis point. a year is an enormously long time to wait and the referral process is really, really onerous and stressful in itself. i had to prove there wasn't something else wrong with me. the local team have to be absolutely sure that you don't have something else wrong with you, that you're not self diagnosing. i was having panic

attacks quite regularly. i was really, really scared. i presented at a&e once because i felt like i was in crisis. i couldn't really cope with the feeling. it's that bad. when it's bad, it's really bad. it's so different to how you would be treated if you were presenting with a physical condition that caused you to suffer profoundly. you wouldn't wait this long. definitely if people are not having treatment... consultant consultant clinical psychologist dr elaine hunter runs the only specialist clinic in the uk. it has limited resources and sees fewer than 80 patients a year. one of dr hunter's concerns is the clinic has been designated an adult—only service, meaning she's unable to treat under—18s. there is no provision of specialist services for adolescents with depersonalisation derealisation disorder, which is really a big problem.

we sometimes get very distressed and upset parents who have a 15—year—old that has started to develop the symptoms, is terrified, they don't know what to do. they may be engaged in services, but they feel the local services maybe don't understand the problem or aren't specialised enough. and there's nothing very much we can do for that period of time. as a clinic, you're effectively having to turn people away if they're under 18? yes. dr hunter hopes in times services will become available for children and young people. she says another improvement would be to ensure care is available to all patients locally. one of the things that could be really helpful is to have each of the mental health trusts around the country to have one or two members of staff that are dedicated to depersonalisation derealisation needs. derealisation leads.

dr hunter has also developed a form of the talking therapy cbt that is specifically designed for depersonalisation disorder. she believes that with training medical professionals already using cbt will be able to adapt their knowledge to treat this condition, too. today, she's meeting sarah ashley, one of her patients who's seen a huge improvement in her mental health. i'd been doctor shopping. i was trying to find a magic cure, a magic pill. i was very anti—cbt. i didn't think it was ever going to work for me. but for me it's made a huge, huge difference. my voice would feel like it's not coming from me, like its robotic, what's coming from somewhere else. i'd look down at parts of my body, at my hands, and they'd feel like they're not mine. i'd look in the mirror and it would be, like... obviously i know it's me, but it would be like looking at a photo of someone else. yes. i was on like a hamster wheel of horribleness. it was just awful. i couldn't eat, couldn't sleep. i think when i first came to see you, actually, i was about six and a half stone from all the anxiety from it.

whereas now i'm kind of... yeah, i do geta bit of depersonalisation and i do get anxiety, but i can totally deal with it really quickly. i might have a bad day, then the next day i've rationalised everything in my mind and i'm fine and i carry on. recently, when you started this newjob and also trying to sell a house, you were telling me about how difficult and stressful those events were for you. and when we came to talk about how that impacted on the depersonalisation, you kind of went, "oh, well, i haven't really had it." yeah. we both really had a moment of thinking, "0h, 0k — that sounds pretty good." treatment, then, is available, but currently limited in scope and difficult to access. after trying to take his own life, it was a further two years before daniel finally had access to specialist care. now he does, he says he is optimistic he can get better. i am hopeful now, now that i'm getting the correct treatment.

i won't let this stop me doing what i want to do. if you're affected by any of the issues raised in the film, head to the bbc‘s action line page, bbc.co.uk/actionline if you have depersonalisation order, get in touch. richard says, "my brother has just been diagnosed with this. he is 45 years old and it is really ha rd this. he is 45 years old and it is really hard for him and his family. well done for addressing this issue." we will talk more about it after 10.30am. almost a week after hurricane maria struck the carribean island of puerto rico, its devastating impact on the population of 3.4 million people is becoming clearer. most of the us territory currently has no electricity or running water, fewer than 250 of the island's 1,600 cellphone towers are operational, and damaged ports, roads, and airports are slowing the arrival

and distribution of aid. communication has been really limited and some remote towns are only now being contacted. it's estimated it could take decades for the island to recover. we can speak now to some of those affected. angel adames is from puerto rico, but is currently studying in the us. he hasn't been able to reach his parents since maria first hit. dave holzhauer from the disaster response team leader at samaritans purse, was on the island when maria hit, and has since been helping the relief effort. thank you very much for talking to us. you have not been able to contact your parents. do you not know if they are ok? i don't know how well they are doing. i have been talking to other family members and friends that are living on the island and they have not been able to co nta ct

island and they have not been able to contact my family either. the only things that i know are reports that are coming out from my hometown that are coming out from my hometown that are coming out from my hometown that are trickling in slowly and they're saying like there is a lot of debris and there is a lot of damage, but there have not been any reported fatalities and most of the people that they have spoken to are doing ok. so with that information, i think that they are probably ok. well, that's something, isn't it? goodness. and what, the people that you have been able to get information from, what are they saying about your hometown? so, getting to my hometown has been somewhat difficult because there have been landslides and rivers have like taken away the roads and washed away the roads so it has been very difficult to get to my hometown. the last couple of days there was only one road that you could use to get to the town. i think right now, it's improving a little bit and there is a lot of power lines down and

landslides and a lot of trees down too. it has been really, really difficult to get into this area. we are talking about central north—west puerto rico which is off of the main roads. got you. dave, thank you for talking to us. tell us about the kind of work you have been doing in puerto rico. yes, we have been operating out of puerto rico. we had a central kind of logistics hub here prior to maria hitting. we were respond to go five other islands in the caribbean and when maria hit we transitioned to do emergency response. we have been trying to i a ses what the damage needs are. we set—up two medical clinics with power to resume operations and ease the load on the hospitals around and then yesterday we have been working with local government officials here and we did a visit to hard hit areas that we saw. just a lot of

destruction and so we set—up a ce ntre destruction and so we set—up a centre to do large scale distribution with emergency shelters and hygiene kits and blankets. what about food ? have and hygiene kits and blankets. what about food? have people got access to food? there is no running water and no electricity? there is access to food. everything has a very long line. the queues for grocery store and gas station, there is queues for people waiting for fuel. there is food, but it is somewhat limited. ? thank you very much, dave.|j food, but it is somewhat limited. ? thank you very much, dave. i hope you get in touch with your friends soon. thank you for talking to our british audience, thank you. thank you. ina you. in a moment, the latest news and sport. before that, here is the weather. we have had a misty and murky start

to the day. this is from one of our weather watchers in barnsley. the mist and fog is clearing away and it will feel pleasant. sunny spells developing across most areas. we could see the odd shower into nor fom kand could see the odd shower into nor fom k and suffolk, with light winds and sunshine, not feeling too bad. temperatures 16 to 20 celsius. not bad for the end of september. through this evening, there will be more cloud filling in. gun a bit of miss and fog towards eastern areas on wednesday. yus like today, it will clear away and there will be sunshine developing. across the west more cloud thickening and with that, we will see outbreaks moving in and through wednesday the rain will continue to spread east ward into wales, and south—western parts of england and temperatures up to 16 to 21 celsius. that's your weather. bye— bye. hello it's tuesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire.

tensions rise between north korea and the united states. north korea has accused washington of declaring war. america disputes the claim as "absurd". inaudible the united states has great strength and patience. but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. the us defence secretary has said the united states wants to resolve the united states wants to resolve the crisis diplomatically saying, we maintain the capability to deter north korea's most dangerous threats, but also to back up our diplomat ina threats, but also to back up our diplomat in a manner to keep this as diplomatic as possible. it is as

common as ocd and scripts of feeney, but most gps don't know about it. it is called depersonalisation disorder and people who have it the world appears on real as if living through appears on real as if living through a haze or fog and appears on real as if living through a haze orfog and can lead appears on real as if living through a haze or fog and can lead you unable to feel love. was working on my bike, it was like i was looking at myself, and petrified me, it was one of the most disturbing things i've ever experienced. we'll be speaking to people affected by the disorder. if you are living with it do let us know about your experiences. should rugby be banned in schools? some experts say yes, we will debate that. good morning, let's go to the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. the us defence secretary has insisted he is pursuing a diplomatic solution to the nuclear crisis with

north korea. after pyongyang said washington had declared war. north korea warned it was ready to shoot down american fighter jets korea warned it was ready to shoot down american fighterjets after donald trump tweeted that the country wouldn't be around much longer if their threats continued. labour is calling for the government to spend an extra half a billion pounds on hospital accident and emergency units in england this winter. it says there'll be a crisis if it doesn't. the party is also planning a review of the help offered by the nhs to people who are addicted to gambling. more than a quarter of parents who've adopted children say their family is at crisis point. research for the bbc and the charity, adoption uk, found that a majority of those questioned said their child had been violent, including punching, kicking and threatening them with knives. a 28—year—old man will appear in court later, charged with assaulting a surgeon who was stabbed while he made his way into a mosque. nasser kurdy was injured outside altrincham and hale muslim

association in cheshire on sunday. ian anthony rook, of no fixed address, will appear at manchester city magistrates accused of grievous bodily harm and possession of a lethal weapon. prince harry and his girlfriend meghan markle have made their first official public appearance together at the invictus games in toronto. they walked hand—in—hand before sitting together to watch wheelchair tennis at the sports event for injured service personnel, which was founded by the prince. more from me later. we have some messages from you on theissue we have some messages from you on the issue of adoption and whether social workers gave adopters full information about the child at the beginning. this is from paul, you

scratching the surface, social workers are holding back information because they know the children won't because they know the children won't be adopted otherwise. alex says, i was adopted along with three siblings aged 12. i was disturbed child and suffer domestic violence before being sexually abused by a foster parent and it gave me psychiatric issues that i still suffer from at the age of 40. i am suing social services for moving the trip to seven times up to the age of i2. trip to seven times up to the age of 12. the couple you spoke to earlier don't need to cover their faces, they are legends, they tried when nobody else would. they wanted to do that to protect the identity of the children they had adopted. nicola says, we adopted two discipline children, they were aged three and 11 months. we are currently going through in adoption breakdown with our eldest son. —— two sibling children. our youngest is receiving daily abuse from our eldest which

has led to the final decision of our eldest having to return to the care system. emma says, i have suffered yea rs of system. emma says, i have suffered years of attachment issues, resulting from being adopted as a baby at a studio is old. i got help eventually after suffering serious mental health issues in my 30s. it took me years to work it out. the fa ct took me years to work it out. the fact your own parents do not want you is huge to deal with. thank you for those messages. do get in touch. jess has the sport. thanks very much, good morning. gareth barry has broken the record for premier league appearances. he played match number 633 last night, moving past ryan giggs' milestone. his west brom side lost 2—0 at arsenal because of the summer signing alexandre lacazette, who scored both goals. england's scrum half ben youngs has echoed the fears of his team—mate,

billy vunipola, about the modern demands of rugby. he has been ruled out after another operation. he said he would take a pay cut to play less. i want to be able to leave the game in good health so i can do my next journey, whatever that may be. it is vitally important we get it right. the powers that be need to. the players have been vocal. i'm sure they will listen to that. the british bobsled pilate mica mcneill has reached her crowned fun target of £30,000 so that her and her team—mate mica moore could possibly qualify for the winter olympics. rugby is the most commonly played contact sport in british schools. but a report published in the british medicaljournal today, has called for all schools to ban tackling and scrums to make it

safer for children. researchers at newcastle university say the risk of head injuries and concussion are not adequately reduced by safety gear like scrum caps or mouth guards, and that many school pe teachers are not properly trained in how to teach tackling safely. but is rugby without the tackling and scrums even the same sport? and where would it leave our next generation of professional players? two years ago, jennifer hudson's son, harrison, suffered a serious head injury while playing rugby at school when he was 13. he sustained a large fracture to his skill, and had major surgery to remove a blood clot and rebuild his skull. we are going to show images of harrison after he had that surgery, and they are graphic. all three of my sons play rugby. this is my middle son, harrison, that this happened to back in october 2014. he was actually not in a match butjust training one evening at school. he was going into a tackle and got hit in the front part

of his head by a knee, which ended up crushing that part of his skull. unfortunately, at the time my husband and i were in france. so we got a call from air ambulance who told us they were taking harrison to the birmingham children's hospital. harrison was actually lying on the pitch fitting, coming in and out of consciousness. they thought they'd better get him there quickly. so we made our way home from france to find harrison there with quite a sunken head. anyway, he went to surgery, they did a craniotomy, they removed a blood clot and they put his head back together again with some titanium.

we are very lucky, he's fine now. he just has a few little issues that aren't a problem, really. yeah, we're lucky. incredible. we can speak now to allyson pollock, a professor of public health at newcastle university, who is calling for the ban. she has been researching injuries and rugby injuries for more than ten years. zac france broke his neck when he was tackled during a rugby match. he was paralysed, and doctors told him he may never walk again. he has now recovered and is playing rugby again. in bristol is matt perry, a former england international and bath rugby player. he says taking tackling out of school rugby will kill the sport. and in sheffield is hayley everett, a student rugby player, who agrees that contact should be taken out of the game for younger children. welcome, everybody, thank you for

coming on the programme. alison, you are calling for this ban, why is it necessary in your opinion? we have been researching this for a long time. what we have found from studies around the world is that the rates and risks of injury are high. you have a one in eight chance of being injured. these injuries can be horrific, including concussion and fractures. most of these injuries occurred during the collision phase of the game. that means most of these injuries are occurring during these injuries are occurring during the tackle, but also the scrum and rucks. it makes sense to remove the collision aspects of the game. we won't destroy the game. we are changing the rules of the game for the schoolchild, to make it safe and to ensure the government and parents

can ensure that there is a duty of ca re can ensure that there is a duty of care to can ensure that there is a duty of ca re to protect can ensure that there is a duty of care to protect the child. will it destroy the game for schoolchildren? personally i think it would. children would be at greater risk. when you are learning to tackle, all research points towards children learn quicker than adults. if you are an adult who has tackled for the first time, you are more likely to get hurt than when you are learning to tackle against a child. it would have an impact on the professional game, as well. do you accept that? but it is safe for kids to learn at a young age to do it properly will stop —— that it is safe. a young age to do it properly will stop -- that it is safe. we are going to see about 200,000 injuries a year at this rate. take it out of the school game. if children are still keen to play they can play at clu bs still keen to play they can play at clubs and the parents can give consent. there will be forums for

children to do it and safely but we need to put the child's interest ahead of the interest of the professional corporate game. many pa rents professional corporate game. many parents don't realise that it is world rug by parents don't realise that it is world rugby who makes the laws of the game and those are the laws that are transmitted into the schools. that's why we are saying that the corporate game shouldn't have a say in the school game. matt perry, how do you react to that? the corporate game doesn't necessarily have the interests of the children at heart. it feels like it is an attack on school rugby and the professional game. don't get me wrong, schools have a duty of care and responsibility to look after the children. for me, it is about the quality of coaching and safeguarding. it is not acceptable for teachers who come out of their classroom onto the rugby pitch now who don't have the expertise, knowledge, or skill set to coach the tackle area. and concussion protocol. in the professional game

the main priority is our player welfare and concussion. that needs to be brought into school rugby. to have a blanket ban would be absurd. the game is growing in all different areas. the benefits of what rugby brings. in all parts of society, character and resilient is what we need. we cannot have our kids in cotton wool. there will be tragic situations but we need to mitigate the risk by bringing quality coaches into schools and into the clubs who are doing a greatjob. the governing body are looking at how contactless integrated from kids at the age of seven. that would be my view there. even with risks mitigated. even with the best coaches and teachers, there could be tragic situations, is that a price worth paying?” could be tragic situations, is that a price worth paying? i would rather my two boys were out learning about how to get the best for and from their team—mates. learning respect. learning discipline in an area

which, you know, i have had a great career which, you know, i have had a great career in rugby, and the emotional benefits, and they are not soft benefits, and they are not soft benefits, they are hard benefit about learning about team resilient and team spirit, confidence. knowing that it and team spirit, confidence. knowing thatitis and team spirit, confidence. knowing that it is about people who have a respect for the data. there is that element that we need to get kids off tablets and social media. i see more risk and threat to mental health to kids who are not out exercising. and obesity, that is the killer, if you ask me. hayley, where do you stand on this? i think that young children definitely should be coached properly and correctly in their technique in how to make sure that they can protect themselves and the players that they are tackling. but are you in favour of a ban like alison is suggesting? no, not an outright ban, no, because that will ruin the game. when you get into older sort of age groups because if you're not taught to tackle properly

and correctly with the right technique, you're not going to pick it up as quickly later on. but saying that, i think that, when you are sort of very young, maybe going into secondary school, there should bea limit into secondary school, there should be a limit to the contact that you do experience because your body isn't fully grown, it's more easily sort of damaged i suppose in a way... how would you limit it then? fewer coaching sessions or only one tackle per game? what do you mean? well, a lot of it can go in stages, you can start off with touch or give touch alternatives, going into grabs, a bit more physicality and contact and then it is about the teaching and the correct technique and making sure that young people are taught the correct way to be in contact situations. what about hayley‘s idea that you limit it as the child grows? i think so. the rfu

and the clubs and this you hadded should be ed into the schools on how you brings kids through to understand that at the age of eight tackle technique and nine, ten, contact tackle technique and nine, ten, co nta ct area tackle technique and nine, ten, contact area so it is not so much a free—for—all so things are put in place and investment is being brought to bear as such. so i think it is being integrated and to look at school's rugby. it is an attack on the professional game. go to sundays, anywhere around the country and see the growth number of kids coming into rugby and schools, and you know, we should look at the research again. alison, is it an ta tack on professional rugby —— attack on professional rugby? no, of course not. it is about putting the interests of the child first. and you know, these million schoolchildren, only a few hundred will ever play after the age of 20. most children stop playing rugby and

one of the main reasons they give up is because of interference with education, but the fear of injury. these children's bodies are developing and the brain in a young man isn't maturing and mature until the mid—20s. so what you are doing is exposing children to repeat concussions and blows where we know there are short—term harms and we are concerned about the long—term risks and most are occurring during the collision phase. you broke your neck when you were tackled and you are continuing to play rugby. you have recovered and you are back on the rugby pitch, why? for me, when i was in hospital, i was with a number of people who were in a similar wages as to myself. people who broke their next or spines from horse riding there was a cheerleader and there were all sorts of people in there... she hadn't broken her neck

from cheer leading. no. that's by the by. we said breaking my neck doing something i love, i could wake up doing something i love, i could wake up tomorrow and i could hit by a car. rugby is character building. it thought me so many other things other thanjust thought me so many other things other than just rugby. was breaking your neck worth it? i think so. wow. personally, for me, it has taught me so many more things than playing by. so many more things than playing rugby, it taught me respect. i see footballers chasing referees. you get biting of ears, so let's not pretend you are all angels. thank you for coming on the programme. thank you for coming on the programme. martin says, "isn't there a strong argument for schools toun cyst on the skullcap protection some players use in rugby as a statutory requirement which should help

prevent some injuries and allow co nta ct? " prevent some injuries and allow contact? " wes says, prevent some injuries and allow contact?" wes says, "it is a contact sport. if you take it out, it ruins the game." sport. if you take it out, it ruins the game. " myles sport. if you take it out, it ruins the game." myles says, "legs get broken tackling in football. should that be stopped? accidents do happen." thank you all. still to come: yesterday lavinia woodward escaped a custodial sentence after stabbing her boyfriend. did her class and social standing make the difference? we will look at what the sentencing guidelines say for what she was actually charged with. fiery talk can lead to misunderstanding — that's the message from the united nations over the latest war of words between donald trump's america and north korea. overnight, north korea accused the states of declaring war on the country, saying it has the right to shoot down us bombers. washington has called the idea "absurd". here's a reminder of how tensions have escalated over the last few months. arseeing your capabilities and

commitment here today, i am more can have didn't than ever that our options in addressing this threat are both effective and overwhelming. he has said things that are horrific. with me he is not getting awith it. he got away it for a long time with he and his family. this is a whole new ball game. our great

leader kim jong—un gives us the great order to carry out a test of the intercontinental ballistic missile. north korea is capable of hitting any corner of the globe. we have become a nuclear power with intercontinental ballistic missiles. the united states will defend itself. always will defend itself. always. if the us is reckless enough to use military means it would mean from that very day an all—out war. they will be met with forward and fury like the world has never seen. he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. as i said, they will be met with fire and fury and frankly power. north korean state

warning the us it will pay 1,000 for imposing economic sanctions.“ warning the us it will pay 1,000 for imposing economic sanctions. if the united states is forced to defend itself or its allies we will have no choice, but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. translation: i will tame the me ntally translation: i will tame the mentally deranged american dotard with fire. if north korea does anything in terms of even thinking about attack, they can be very, very nervous. i tell you what and they should be very, very nervous because things will happen to them like they never thought possible. the north korean foreign minister says donald trump's criticism of his country amounted to a declaration of war. translation: since the us declared war on our country, we have every right to take counter measures

including shooting down us strategic bombers even when they are not inside the airspace border of our country. the question of who will not be around for much longer will be answered then. it is never appropriate for a country to shoot down another country's aircraft when it is over international waters. our goal is still the same, we continue to seek the peaceful denuclearisation of the peninsula. so, two unpredictable leaders at the helm of each country, the war or words, lots of threats — what might happen next? with me is dr patricia lewis, a nuclear physicist and head of international security at the foreign affairs research centre, chatham house. i feel like i've asked this question every week for the last few weeks. how alarmed should we now be? increasingly alarmed. what we have seen is a number of direct threats

from both sides and an assumption made by the north koreans that the us has declared war. who is going to blink first? the north koreans think they have been at war since 1953. so that's one avenue that's been explored on countless owe cautions and presumably being explored at the un. if it's not a diplomatic solution, it's a really dreadful situation. what about north korea's capabilities at the moment? so that's what is difference about today. in the past, where we have had the types of crisis such as in the mid—90s with bill clinton when we had a helicopter downed and two airmen, one killed and one captured. then there were calm heads, diplomacy won out, the pilot who survived was returned. now, we are seeing the ratcheting up of this rhetoric on the us side as well as

the north koreans. in the last half an hourorso, the the north koreans. in the last half an hour or so, the us defence secretary has said america wants to resolve this diplomatically. "we maintain the capability to deter north korea's most dangerous threats, but to back up our diplomats in a manner that keeps this as long as possible in the diplomatic realm." defence secretary mattis seems to be a calm head. he knows what war is like. he knows what he needs to do to prevent it and he could do. what we need to do though is see the whole of the united states including the president getting behind mattis in that way. i guess what president trump is trying to do... maybe it is good cop, bad cop. exactly. and stick and carrot, but the rhetoric is what we call the mad man theory of detierance and the problem with that if someone doesn't blink first you are in a situation where you painted yourselves into these really difficult situations and you can't get out of it. ok. thank you very

much. thank you. thank you for coming on the programme. labour says the government needs to spend an extra £500 million on accident and emergency departments in england this winter. norman smith is at the labour party conference in brighton. welcome to our humble newsroom. it isa welcome to our humble newsroom. it is a big operation because we have to find space for camera crews and television suites and radio studios and never mind all the humble hacks operating here. gambling, yes, on the agenda today because labour are calling basically for a crackdown on gambling companies to get them to pay more to help people suffering from gambling addiction because they calculate there are round about 500,000 people who have a gambling problem, a serious gambling problem and that costs the nhs a lot of money because they reckon it costs more than £1 billion a year because of people who end up with anxiety,

depression, and the anti—social behaviour and personality disorders which can be traced back to gambling addiction. so they are suggesting that in future, there should be a levy on the big gambling companies to get them to foot the bill for the nhs having to provide support services for those people affected by gambling addiction. one of the men behind it is the shadow health secretary,john ashworth. a short time ago i had a chat with him. addiction is related to mental health conditions and related to all kinds of problems that an individual has. we have toll take addiction issues seriously. it is costing the nhsa lot issues seriously. it is costing the nhs a lot of money. i have been talking about drug and alcohol addiction where a lot of the services have been cut back, but the gambling addictions and fixed odds betting terminals are causing huge misery for people. so we want to look at what we can do. we want to look at what we can do. we want to look to see if the gambling industry can do more and step up, i think

they can, we want to fund addiction services properly across the nhs, gambling, drugs and alcohol. how much is gambling becoming a political issue? well, you know, what's funny vic, people like me tend to come to the conferences and we focus on the pretty sort of ha rd core we focus on the pretty sort of hardcore issues like the economy, or welfare, or the health service. i get the feeling there is a sort of change in politics going on where people have a broader sense of what politics is about and that includes things like addiction and i think one of the reasons that it has got a raised profile is because mental health in general, the profile around that has increased marketedly because politicians have been more willing to talk about it. i mean just to take the example ofjohn ashworth, he is open about it, so he won't mind me saying, but his father, was an alcoholic and that's how he got into the whole issue of addiction. so, those sort of issues now, i think, addiction. so, those sort of issues now, ithink, are

addiction. so, those sort of issues now, i think, are getting addiction. so, those sort of issues now, ithink, are getting much addiction. so, those sort of issues now, i think, are getting much more space in politics and one of the other things i find interesting is when you talk to listeners and viewers, very often they respond more to those sort of issues than the hardcore issues like brexit, like the economy, like the public finance initiative that we were talking about yesterday. thanks, normanment more from norman through the week from brighton and indeed, john ashworth talked to us openly about his father's alcoholism on the programme a couple of times. it is time for the news. the us defence secretary has insisted he is pursuing a diplomatic solution to the nuclear crisis with north korea after pyongyang said donald trump had declared war. north korea warned it was ready to shoot down american fighter jets, korea warned it was ready to shoot down american fighterjets, even if they were outside its airspace. donald trump tweeted earlier that the country wouldn't be around much longer if their threats continued. labour is calling for the government

to spend an extra half £1 billion on hospital accident and emergency units in england this winter. it says there will be a crisis if there isn't more funding. —— half a billion pounds. more than a quarter of parents who have adopted children so their families are at crisis point. research for the bbc and the charity adoption uk said a quarter of those questioned reported violence from their child. mental health experts have told our programme that there needs to be greater recognition of depersonalisation disorder, a condition which is as widespread as schizophrenia but is often not picked up by gps. the disorder is characterised by a sense of disconnection from the world, sufferers say it appears on real, as if they are experiencing life through a haze or fog.

if they are experiencing life through a haze orfog. one in 100 people is thought to have the condition. that is the summary of your latest news on bbc news. now, the sport. gareth barry has now appeared and more premier league matches than any other player. he beat ryan giggs' record when he ran out for the 633rd time last night. the result did not go his way against arsenal, alexandre lacazette scored yet again, getting both goals at the emirates. ben youngs says rugby union players cannot be pushed any further. he echoed the fears of his team—mate billy vunipola that a seven—month season will cause injuries and burn—outs. mica mcneill has reached her £30,000 crowdfunding burn—outs. mica mcneill has reached her £30 , 000 crowdfunding target after funding was withdrawn from the

women's bobsled team. she and her team—mate hope to qualify for the winter olympics this year. generation z have grown up only ever knowing the internet and the war on terror. a survey suggests there is a big gap between how 16 to 22—year—olds see themselves and the perception of them by those who are older. older people generally think they are lazy and obsessed with social media, whereas the truth is they see themselves as hard—working, creative, and into theirfamily. here is generation z. my generation is always on the internet. demanding an answer, are you a boy, are you a girl? i had all my qualifications, but couldn't find a job. things are going badly.

i think to be a young person in the uk at the moment is to be confused. you have more opportunities than you've ever seen before, but you have no idea what to do with them and you have no direction in which you're going. you're also constantly told things are going badly. so you're aware there's a housing crisis, you're aware you're going to be in debt, you're aware of all this stuff and you have no idea how you're going to find success through that. the biggest issue i'm worried about facing young people is mental health. i think old generations used to have these check marks of being successful. i'll do this, i'll get to uni or get

a job, i'll earn this, then i'll own this, then i'll buy my own house, i'll get married or have kids. there was a really clear plan of what you need to do to become fulfilled and successful. that's gone. please give it up, please give a massive welcome to ife grillo! i wanted to write a poem about black ghosts whose stories never make the news, about black boys who are more likely to be sectioned than helped. about black boys who drown black women in their insecurity. there's constantly people who you're comparing yourself to. i'm notjust worried about the person in my class and whether i'm going to beat them, i'm worried about all the people i see online. every time i see a new young person who's become a millionaire and set up their own business, i'm feeling like i'm not doing enough. but i guess until that happens, yo home to bel air. social media for me has

given me a completely different career option. hi, everyone, i'm georgina from she might be loved. i started an online blog which turned into a social media business, which turned into an online magazine. now i do all three. i told you it gets noisy in this house. i've got to wait for my mum to go downstairs and my brother to shut up. i was in a car accident around three years ago now. i have been diagnosed with chronic spinal pain. i can't stay out for more than a couple of hours at a time. travelling is so painful. it's quite difficult to be a 22—year—old and not be able to do so much. i'm not actually going to get better, this is life now. social media is the only reason why

i do still have a social life. how are you? you look gorgeous. it really has 110% enhanced my life and made it. made it — my entire life is online, my entire world is online. my career is, m y social life is. social media has been completely everything for my life. i thank it for everything. people think if you're male you should be one way, if you're female you should be another. it's kind of me going no, i'm not either of those. i don't want to be either of those. i'm just going to be

here in the middle, being me. quite a fashion statement, i think. when you're in cosplay you're someone else. you'll go to a convention, there'll be people who don't know you but they might know the character. the best one i ever made was probably handsomejack, who i had the wig for. that's my personal favourite, that's my handsome jack wig. we were referring to each other as our character names. they were calling me jack. ithought, hold on, i really like that, actually. my original name, it never felt like me. it was just sort of something i had. but jack is me. when i think of myself as younger, that's the name i use, that's the name i responded to more often than not. mum and i are heading out later. we're going to see young guns. so i'm going to need something to wear that i can move around in, but also that's going to look sharp.

that's important. one of the really good things about not being restricted about where you shop is you get a good variety when buying stuff. i quite like fun patterned shirts, as well as shirts with my name on. i'm hesitant to say that we shouldn't have gender as a whole. i know for some people it's quite important to them and who they are. but our expectations and our roles of this is what women do, this is what men do, we can't go outside that, is incredibly limiting. i've definitely had drunk old men come up to me on the street when i'm just trying to eat a baguette. like, are you a boy or a girl? demanding an answer. hopefully, as time passes, people are going to be more... i don't know whether to say forgiving or accepting. understand more, and then people won't be so funny about it. you know, they'lljust be,

ok, that's just jack, that's the way they are. and you can watch the full report we are generation z on newsbeat‘s iplayer page iam going i am going to read you this e—mail about adoption. we have been talking about adoption. we have been talking about it this morning. thank you for your messages. jackie said we adopted our son when he was 22 months old. he was a loving but violent toddler and an intensely angry child. a teenage and adult with addiction and mental health issues. at 31 he has nojob. he struggles to keep clean and do normal life. adoption advice was all about sexual abuse. abandonment and other mental health effects were not discussed. ongoing support once the legal process was completed was not offered. we love him. he loves us. that has been unwavering since we

became a family. but he lives with enormous guilt about what he has put us through over the years, which adds to his other issues, of course. our lives have been on hold for yea rs our lives have been on hold for years as our lives have been on hold for yea rs as we our lives have been on hold for years as we have tried to cope with his self—medication. we don't know what the future holds. we feel like we will outlive our son. he has had many suicide attempts. he has substance abuse. he has social isolation. this does not indicate a long lie for him, which is heartbreaking, but we continue to support him and try to stay optimistic. —— long life for him, which is heartbreaking. we are sending support to you. next this morning, an oxford medical student, who stabbed her ex—boyfriend, has been spared prison because she's "an extraordinarily able young lady", who had shown a "strong and unwavering determination" to get over her class a drug and alcohol addiction. 24—year—old lavinia woodward threw a laptop at her boyfriend and stabbed him in the lower leg with a bread knife, also injuring two of his fingers. she then tried to stab herself with the knife

before he disarmed her. she was given a 10—month jail sentence, suspended for 18 months. male domestic violence campaigners say the sentence demonstrates that female offenders get more lenient sentence then male offenders. is that true? or did her class and social standing make a difference? joining me is quentin hunt, a criminal defence barrister from 2 bedford row chambers. hello. would a member of the judiciary be influenced by an intelligent, middle—class, particulate student standing before them, charged like this? only if it was to influence mitigation. this applies to alljudges assessing the case before them. she was charged with unlawful wounding. a category

two. the minimum punishment would be one year and six months injail. what she was received last ten months jail sentence, suspended for 18 months. what did he take into account, the judge? 18 months. what did he take into account, thejudge? she pleaded guilty. that is a third discount to ta ke guilty. that is a third discount to take it down to one year. then the starting point is reduced by personal mitigation that is available. in that case it appeared she was a vulnerable young lady who had problems with addiction, who had shown from a deferred sentence point of view that she could comply with conditions put upon her by the judge. in those circumstances she would, regardless of who she is, be a perfect candidate for suspended sentence. if there were similar mitigating factors, drug, alcohol addiction, vulnerable, a bright future, nevertheless, intelligent, and it was a black man from a council estate in peckham, do you

think thejudge would council estate in peckham, do you think the judge would have treated him the same as he did her?|j him the same as he did her?” genuinely do. in my experience, having represented the type of people, all across the spectrum, judges tend to be relatively blind in respect of class and colour, etc. they concentrate on the principles. one of those is looking forward, can this person become a productive member of society? is this an isolated lapse? is this part of a pattern? in her case she had not beenin pattern? in her case she had not been in trouble with the law before. thanks very much and thank you for coming. for people living with depersonalisation disorder, the world appears unreal, as if through a haze orfog, or even in 2d. it can leave people unable to feel love, even for their own family. one in 100 people are thought to have it — that's around the same who have ocd or schizophrenia. but experts have told this programme it's not included in any gp training,

meaning doctors are failing to diagnose people. adam eley has been investigating. we bought you his full film earlier. here's a short extract i've described it since as a feeling of having emotionally flatlined. so everything suddenly became very two—dimensional. things felt really alien and threatening. suddenly yourflat, or somewhere that is very, very familiar to you will suddenly feel like a film set. and my possessions feel like props. sarah is an actress. since university she's had several chronic episodes of depersonalisation disorder, a mental health condition that makes the world seem unfamiliar and unreal. it's often triggered by movements of acute stress or trauma and is estimated to affect one in 100 people, more than 600,000 in the uk. one of its symptoms is a numbing of emotions. you know that you love your family, but you sort of know it

academically, rather than feeling it in the normal way. despite it being as common as condition such as ocd and schizophrenia, medical professionals a re failing to diagnose it. i've seen... possibly up to 20 people over the years who haven't known what i was talking about. community psychiatric nurses, gps, therapists, private therapists, counsellors. they haven't heard of it. it's not part of their training. it's not part of their vocabulary. she eventually got a correct diagnosis, but only by looking up the condition itself and this was only part of the issue. there's only one specialist clinic in all of the uk, and access to it on the nhs requires funding from your local clinical commissioning group.

even with a diagnosis, and having been treated previously for the same condition, sarah's latest attempt to find help became a struggle. the process had taken over a year when she neared crisis point. the referral process is really, really onerous and stressful in itself. i had to prove there wasn't something else wrong with me. the local team have to be absolutely sure that you don't have something else wrong with you, that you're not self diagnosing. it's so different to how you would be treated if you were presenting with a physical condition that caused you to suffer profoundly. we can talk to jane charlton who lives with the condition and we can talk to jane charlton who lives with the condition and is campaigning for more awareness. leanne hyland, who developed the disorder aged 13. she did not leave the house for two yea rs. dr elaine hunter runs

the uk's only specialised service for depersonalisation disorder at south london and maudsley nhs trust. jane, hello. hello. what are you feeling right now? what are you experiencing right now? on a day—to—day basis i will feel removed from life essentially so i'll know that i'm existing and feel that i'm function, but i won't be living as it were. so right now, we are talkings. .. yes. does it feel like you're detached? very much so. it feels like i'm withdrawn from you. my feels like i'm withdrawn from you. my point of focus is very much on you and i'm losing the periphery, almost like i'm in the corner of the room looking down on what is happening. the strange thing about depersonalisation disorder is you appear that you are functioning quite well and those around us think we are functioning well and if you look at photos of me at periods of

my life when i have been very unwell you would probably see me looking happy and smiley, like i was participating and engaging in life andi participating and engaging in life and i wasn't at that point. so you're able to laugh along in social situations and appear as though you're part of it? yes. but you don't feel that you are? not at all. it is almost like a learned behaviour now for me. i have a different frame of reference from those that don't have depersonalisation disorder and i've learnt what is happy, what is sad, what is difficult for them and i try to react appropriately to that, but i don't feel like i'm participating or engage in life even though i'm functioning. have you ever been in love ? functioning. have you ever been in love? yes, so that's quite an interesting question because i think sarah that we saw on the introductory movie just there, she experiences depersonalisation disorder as an emotional flattening. whereas i tend to be more on the

anxiety side of the spectrum so i really feel a lack of clarity and a lack of control and a lack of kind of control over my future, but i still feel emotions in the same way. so she gave me a huge slice of chocolate gateau i would be happy to munch in. it would be genuine happiness? yes, tempered by the fact that i'm always experiencing the sense of detachment. in the scheme of things, with everything that's going on in the world, why is it a bad thing that you experience this detachment? yes, interesting question. i think you could essentially say if you're still functioning what is the problem? which you are. you have got a great job and you're confident at work, set tra, etcetera? indeed. e-six nationsly you lose any feeling of control over your own life. it is just happening. you arejust existing, but you are not living. and i think that for anybody out there that would be a particularly

difficult to, well, a, to understand, to process and then b, to live with. right. how did it begin? what triggered it as far as you know? so 2001 i was 18 yea rs of as far as you know? so 2001 i was 18 years of age. i was in the first—term at university and i took cannabis. and i never, it was almost like a never ending trip. i didn't come out of that. elaine might talk about it more in a moment, but cannabis is a common trigger for depersonalisation disorder and what's important to stress there is that my first episode was three yea rs that my first episode was three years long and that is three years, 24/7, feeling detached. you don't drift in and out of it, it is a continuous feeling. for me, i don't know about others, i feel depersonalised in my dreams. wow. so you never get a break from depersonalised in my dreams. wow. so you never get a breakfrom it throughout that entire time.” you never get a breakfrom it throughout that entire time. i know from adam's film that it's a long time before people like yourself are diagnosed because people don't know

about it? yes. i think, yeah, that's about it? yes. i think, yeah, that's a really important point. for me, it was a two year process to diagnosis. when i did get diagnosed it was a psychiatrist say you have symptoms of depersonalisation, average time to diagnosis is seven to 12 years so i was lucky there. when you get that diagnosis, psychiatrists, psychologists, gps only seem to be aware of it as a symptom of another disorder and treat anxiety or depression when the problem is the depersonalisation itself.” depression when the problem is the depersonalisation itself. i want to bring in elaine and leanne: diane says, "i just watched your piece about depersonalisation disorder, i am in tears. i have heard people describe exactly how i experience

the world. trying to explain how you feel to professionals has left me frustrated. they insist i have social anxiety disorder and it is due to pdst. for years i felt i have been living life underwater." can you relate to that? in a bubble, in a bowl, underwater. ? after seeing your report on depersonalisation disorder i have experienced my first gulp of fresh air. wow, diane. thank you. that's amazing. it is amazing that you are here talking about this because this is the sort of person that you are trying to reach, is that you are trying to reach, is that not correct? absolutely. we have started a campaign too to try and raise awareness of this. we know it is common. we know it is 2% of the population. we want to contact the population. we want to contact the people out there who are not aware that this is what they are suffering from. jill says, "i battled for years to get help mou adolescent son. he was able to

describe his symptoms, but doctors and mental health experts didn't understand, through our own research, we learnt about this disorder. ed leannan 13 when it began with you ? disorder. ed leannan 13 when it began with you? very young. not sure what sl happening with you in general and obviously these terrifying symptoms just began general and obviously these terrifying symptomsjust began at general and obviously these terrifying symptoms just began at a time of change in my life. i had just moved house and school and for me, it was like a switch had flicked almost. theyjust kind of came out of nowhere. everything became disorientated and unreal and very dream—like andl disorientated and unreal and very dream—like and i wasn't sure what was happening to me. why weren't you able to leave the house for two yea rs ? able to leave the house for two years? the depersonalisation caused a lot of anxiety in me. it was to such an extent i would wake up in the morning feeling nauseous having panic attacks for up to 12 hours a day until i went to sleep again because the feelings were horrendous, it was traumatising. do

you, have you recovered?” horrendous, it was traumatising. do you, have you recovered? i haven't re cove red. you, have you recovered? i haven't recovered. i still live with this every day. for me, it has been chronic for 13 years. i have had no temporary kind of relapses or anything like that, but yeah, i haven't recovered, but i'm learning to live with it. i put a lot of things in place to help me cope with it. elaine, is this about managing the condition? will it always be with somebody or can they recover? people can recover and people can make full recoversries with the right help and treatment. what help and treatment is that? people can either look at medication and there is no one particular drug that is particularly helpful or designed for depersonalisation disorder. but sometimes a combination of medications can be helpful. we've also developed talking therapies particularly adapting cognitive behaviour therapy for depersonalisation disorder. so

that's what we would offer people. but there are other therapies that we would also use as well. in order to get the right treatment you have to get the right treatment you have to have a diagnosis? exactly. as jane says seven to 12 years is the average for someone to be diagnosed yes. because gps aren't taught about this... that's really what we need to do is really raise awareness, raise awareness in the general public so that if people start experiencing these symptoms they know what it is and also family members would know what it is and can help their family and loved ones, but particularly within the health professions. so, gps, knowing what it is and just really being able to identify some of those core symptoms that are quite unique to depersonalisation disorder. just a couple of things that they might listen for when people are in their consulting room and also for mental health professionals to have more skills and training so that again they not only know what it is, but

they not only know what it is, but they know how to help people with it. how do you see your future?” it. how do you see your future? i see my future as being one where i have the tools and skills to help others who are suffering from depersonalisation disorder. i hope that that doesn't mean that i will be suffering from it for the rest of my life, but that at present is my priority. especially for young adolescents who can't get treatment until the age of 18 and have no diagnosis. how do you see yours, leannan? positive. i have built myself up over the years to be able to deal with this on my own. i have accepted even if i have it forever, that's ok. it doesn't impact my happiness, it is not something i think about on a daily basis and i am still able to achieve everything i want in life. well done. thank you very much for coming on the programme. well done. thank you very much, jane. you have done an amazing job you very much, jane. you have done an amazingjob in you very much, jane. you have done an amazing job in raising awareness. christine says, "thank you for

talking about this subject. my 32—year—old son has mentioned the symptoms which you have described on your programme today. the doctors need to be made more aware of this for diagnosis and treatment. " hopefully this will lead to people getting help. thank you for your company today. we're back tomorrow at 9am. good morning. we have had a misty and murky start to the day across many parts. still patches of mist and fog out there, but that sun is trying to burn through. just as it is here in cumbria. actually as that sun burns through that cloud, it is going to be a fairly pleasant afternoon. so, for many parts of the uk, there will be sunny spells. we could catch the odd shower across east yorkshire and lincolnshire and nor followbling and suffolk, east yorkshire and lincolnshire and norfollowbling and suffolk, but east yorkshire and lincolnshire and nor followbling and suffolk, but for most of us, it will stay dry and in the sunshine, warm. 18 to 21 celsius

good for the end of september. through this evening and tonight, there will be more cloud. maybe one or two mist and fog patches. like this morning, much of that will clear away to give sunny spells. in northern ireland and south—west wales and south—west england, the wind picking up and with that outbreaks of rain pofg in gradually. but it will be warm actually. temperatures up to about 17 celsius to 21 celsius. bye—bye. this is bbc news — and these are the top stories developing at 11am. the united states seeks to tone down

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