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four men is being held on suspicion of being a member of a banned organisation. although the arrests we re organisation. although the arrests were the product of two separate investigations, they are all part of a national operation against suspected national action supporters, by counterterrorism police. it became illegal to be a member of national action last december, when the home secretary, amber rudd, listed it as a terrorist organisation. the home office as it is very be racist, anti—semitic, and homophobic, that it rejects democracy, and celebrated the killing ofjo cox, mp, last year. before it was banned, national action had been most active in northern cities, staging provocative but small demonstrations with openly nazi themes and posting videos online. its most prominent former members have been much less public since then, but several of them were arrested, today, suggesting detectives believe the organisation
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has just detectives believe the organisation hasjust gone detectives believe the organisation has just gone underground. two weeks ago, three other men were charged with being members of the banned group, including two who were serving soldiers. daniel sandford, bbc news, at the home office. coming up now, it's time for newsnight. coming up now, it's time for once a month the survivors come together to remember the dead and demand justice. tonight, with their help, we reconstruct exactly what happened to the families on floor 21 of g re nfell tower. it was tragedy on a massive scale, but tonight we take you inside the tower as it was. the lives and the flats of those who made grenfell their home. i did everything in the house. everything. the floor, the painting,
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new furniture. and see how choices made in a spilt second determined who on that one floor died and who escaped. he said to me, helen, we need to go now, we need to go now, or we are going to die. we need to make a move, no turning back, we need to get out. before we left, i got tea towels and wrapped them around everybody's face and tied them around the back and they got the big sheets and the big towels and put them over everybody. also tonight, we're in brighton at the labour conference. jeremy corby says he is now the centre ground of british politics. how did the big speech go down? we're going to be seeing a labour government led byjeremy corbyn, and it is going to be fantastic, i can tell you that right now. i look forward to it with such glee! good evening.
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you might think you've heard what happened that night in grenfell tower three months ago. in the immediate aftermath of the fire we brought you the story of the tragedy, what we learned of the causes behind it and of those who died. tonight, we step back. conscious, perhaps, of how little we really knew about who the people who lived there actually were. and what they went through. each floor of that tower tells a story about london and its inhabitants. a story of immigration and gentrification. of lives lived, and lives lost. each floor, a microchasm of life in our capital. our team has spent weeks piecing together a comprehensive account of what happened that night on just one floor high in grenfell tower — floor 21. in an extended film on tonight's programme, we reveal the anatomy of a community, those who lived and loved living up on the 21st floor. the lengths they went to to save each other‘s lives, and the the desperation they felt
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for those who never escaped. it is a powerful and at times disturbing account. katie razzall has reported on grenfell tower from the night after the fire, and shejoins me now. grenfell has come to mean many things to many people. an injustice, how we treat the poor. jeremy corbyn put it at the centre of his speech in those terms. amongst the news coverage and the debate about how many people died, individual lives have perhaps lost the detail they deserve. we have spent a long time piecing together, the lives of a community on one floor, on the 21st floor, and we wanted to make sure the people who died there are remembered for more than just the manner of their untimely deaths. we wanted to find out what it was like to live in grenfell tower and perhaps from the slightly one—dimensional coverage we have had, you might be surprised.
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one of the survivors is just 12, and she showed such courage on the night of the fire, and what she tells us is deeply upsetting but it offers a level of understanding we haven't had before. in evaluating what to broadcast, we took advice from child psychiatrists and child trauma experts who are working with survivors at grenfell, but i have two warn you this film is distressing. for more than three months, it's burnt out shell has stood as testament to horror, but for decades, grenfell was home to many hundreds of people. it was a very special building, grenfell tower. very special. they tried to say it was a very poor tower, broken tower, if you like. but it was far from that.
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it's a community where everyone knows each other. on the night of the fire, for some, the advice they were given and the decisions they took based on that advice where to make the difference between life and death. our room is on fire, just like that. all my curtains were on fire, my moses basket was on fire, all that side of the window was all on fire. we were just trying to run, just going, just keep on going. just keep on going. thick air going into you, was really strong. i can hear everyone trying to find air. i just can't believe that they are gone. they are gone, just like that. so many stories have
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emerged from grenfell, but this is the story of one of the top floors — the 21st. 15 people living as close neighbours in six flats around a central hallway. amongst them, an nhs porter, a management consultant, a pensioner, an it manager and a beautician. you'd meet all sorts of different people. you've got english friends, irish friends, arabic friends, muslim backgrounds and portuguese. had a few families who were portuguese there, spanish, italians. yeah, diversity in the tower was really good and you get to see all these different cultures. it's been painted as a very kind of poverty stricken building
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and maybe parts of it were, but that's certainly not the impression we had when viewing it. the flat itself, it was just beautiful and the landlord had done it out very nicely, very tasteful, very modern. and because it was quite high up on the 21st floor, it had amazing views all around it. we had a consultant in the tower, like myself, we had it people in the tower, people that worked for the nhs, people that worked in a coffee shop in central london. we had people that deal with, in retail, minicabs, and transport, bus drivers. it's my home, i know a lot of people there, my neighbours. every one there, when you live somewhere 20 years, it's your home. helen, runs a beauty salon in west london. originally from eritrea, though she'd lived in the tower
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for 20 years, for the past three, helen and her daughter rented the two bedroomed council flat, number 186 on the 21st floor. my house was amazing. i did everything in the house, everything. the floor, the painting, new furniture. we had a purple carpet and purple pillows, but the house was all white, so that was the only thing that out. thing that stood out. all the neighbours around us, six flats. people are nice, people are really nice. we get along very well. but onjune 14th at around 1:00am, the fire started on the fourth floor of the tower. listen to him, listen to him!
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get out! within minutes, it rapidly spread. when i woke up, i wasjust looking around and i can smell smoke, you know? i was going to myself, what is going on? in the window, there was a fire, i saw the fire coming so ijust run. she grabbed me and told me to get the dog. so i got the dog and ran out. we tried to take the stairs. i went in the corridor and i can see people you know, my neighbours, coming... it wasjust confusing. people telling us to go back up because the firefighters told them to go back up, to go to the top. we couldn't get out because they told us, go back, go back to your flat. go back to your flat. the 21st floor neighbours that helen and her daughter met trying to escape, lived at number 182.
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a moroccan family of five. they had been renting their home from the council for 20 years. that flat was their home, it was actually like they took the place from morocco and it was in the flat. i was amazed. chris's brother—in—law abdelaziz came to the uk as a child. works in the hospital. he was a porter and he was much loved by the people he worked with. he carried over that sense of humour, which was contagious. it was the sort ofjob you do, someone‘s got to go into the operating theatre, someone has got to be shown to x—ray, someone has got to collect medicines. it's a very importantjob, you just don't get well paid for it. abdulaziz and his wife's elder son was 20. described as a grafter like his dad, he was studying accountancy while working part—time on an uncle's moroccan rug stall and as a football referee. his 15—year—old sister had just done her gcses. relative told us the parents were so proud of their three children, flat 182 was full of photos of them through the years. the family were part of the close—knit community on the 21st floor. neighbours recall their generosity. i remember christmas.
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she came to knock on our door with this huge chicken. she said, this is for you, because it's christmas and it's a welcome. lovely, lovely family. the youngest one, he used to come and knock on our door every single sunday to play with our youngest. he used to come to me and say, megan's dad? can megan come and play? he never used to call me by my name, it was always megan's dad, megan's dad. the fire is spreading up. on the night of the fire, having tried to make it downstairs at the same time as helen and her daughter, abdelaziz and his family returned to their flat and called 999. he did leave the flat,
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but he went back into the flat. he was told to go back into the flat, so he followed the instructions. marcio and andreia gomes lived next door in flat 183 with their daughters megan and luanna. an it manager and a clothes shop supervisor who was heavily pregnant when the fire broke out, they'd been renting theirflat from the council for ten years. when you went into the tower, it was your home. you wouldn't know that you were in a tower unless you looked out the window. you wouldn't know, a lot of our friends would say, i can't believe it's like this. yes, it's amazing, it's really nice. the view was amazing. it was in this flat, number 183, that helen and her daughter took refuge on the night of the fire. our neighbour knocked on our door, that's what woke us up. as soon as we opened the door,
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smoke came flying in straightaway. so i said, come in, i said to the girls, because we have always stayed in each other's flats, i said go to the girls' room and be with the girls because she was panicking. i closed the door behind to try to stop the smoke coming in but it was already thick, black smoke. definitely between 1:30am and 2am when we got woken up, so i said, phone 999. i was speaking to the fire services, and they were saying to stay put, we are already aware of this, the normal thing you would get. then we started getting phone calls from friends and family basically saying, you need to get out. there's a fire in the building. some of those calls came from friends who had escaped from the 13th floor as the fire started. i keep insisting that they had to come out because there's no way because i can see the fire from outside.
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i said, i can't, there's too much smoke, my wife's pregnant. he said, i know, but you need to try, so we did try the first time. it was just too much. i'm very religious and i prayed. i kneeled down and begged our lady of fatima to protect them, to protect all the people in the building, but especially for them, because they were portuguese and we knew them. at one point, i think i asked one of my friends, can we speak to the fire people or the police? and she let me talk to them and asked them, what shall we do? they said to us, someone is going to come and take you out. that's what they said to us,
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from two, three o'clock. so that is why we were waiting and waiting. and then we call again and ask them, and they said, stay in, don't come out, don't come out. i was telling everybody, stay low, as low as possible. all our windows were open to try and get rid of the smoke. at that time, i knew it was quite bad, so i filled the bath tub with water, and i left the shower on as well because i wanted to try and get some particles into the air to make it a little bit easier to breathe. ataround 3:30am, the flames reached flat 183. my room is on fire. just like that. all my curtains are on fire, my moses basket was on fire. all that side of the window was all on fire. the only thing i could do was grab the door, because it was a fire door, shut the door, then i looked at them and said, we have to go now. there's no turning back. we have to try. and it's now or never. the fire had reached marcio and andrea's bedroom,
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but what of their other neighbours? at around the time helen had first woken up, the man in number 184 told us he had got a call about the fire and left the one bed flat he'd lived in the 27 years. mr abdu, a civil engineer from eritrea, didn't want to take part in this film. across the corridor, helen had seen the el wahabis go back into their flat at 182 ataround 1:30am. we now know the fire was spreading around the building. in a call to emergency services around that time, we understand the el wahabis were advised to stay in the flat. later relatives told us in another 999 call at perhaps 2am, the family were told to move into this bedroom and put towels under the door. i met chrisjones on the morning of the fire as he waited for news of his wife's family. he told me of the earlier desperate phone calls as the fire raged. hejust said, there's a lot of smoke in here.
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we're not leaving, that's what he said. after that, we phoned back, and the phone kept ringing and no one answered. across the hallway from chris's relatives, new tenants had moved into flat 185just 11 days earlier. one of 12 grenfell properties that were privately owned, this flat rented for more than £400 a week. by lucky coincidence, that evening, lee's birthday, he and julian were staying in a hotel. they got a call from their landlord at around 3:30am, around the time the gomes‘ flat caught fire. he said that grenfell tower was on fire, and so my immediate thought was, that sucks, i hope it's going nowhere near our flat. and you don't really think it's going to be anything, you just think, there's a fire in the building. as long as it's not
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ours, it will be fine. so ijust said, i'm really sorry to hear that. is it bad? he was like, it's the whole thing, it's everything. he caught wind then of what i was talking about and started looking things up on the news, and ijust saw from across the room his face just drop. my heart sank and i couldn't say anything. ijust showed lee the footage of what was going on. it took until the next day for me to think, this will have been... people will have died in this. at first, you think people will be able to get out. there were so many families, so many children in there, and i almostjust wish i knew what. .. you know, if they were ok. i know not all of them will be, but you just have this hazy memory of who you've seen and knowing that not all of them will be ok. the neighbour nobody appears to have seen that night lived in flat 181.
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ligaya moore was retired. she had moved from the philippines 45 years earlier and had worked as a nanny and a waitress. she had been there for many many years, and she was lovely, always played with the kids. i think she was 80 something years old, and she used the stairs. as exercise. which was amazing. from the 21st floor down to the ground. that's a lot of steps. did she like the tower? yes, she loved it because it is lovely, a posh building. she saw all the views because she had very big windows and could see everything. she enjoyed living alone, seeing the beautiful view, the london eye, everything. she was was the last person to see ligaya moore ally.
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less than three hours later, grenfell was ablaze. the phone shutdown. in the morning, i searched for her. so many grenfell residents didn't make it out, but it's incredibly, with the building looking like this and they're flat on fire, those six people sheltering in flat 183 tried to leave the 21st floor. said, we need to go we will die. we need to get out. we got tea towels wrapped around everyone's face and tied around the back, and then got big sheets and towels and put them over everybody. we didn't know there was going to be any fire or anything like that. so it was literally, opened the door, everybody did exactly what they were supposed to do. they all went, into the stairwell,
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grabbed the rail and started following it down. i had my dog. my friend had her dog, and my mum was in the front, and marcy was at the back. we took the stairs, and while i was going down, the smoke was really thick, so it's like thick air going into you, really strong. i could hear everyone trying to find air, everyone screaming, choking, gagging. i didn't account for the number of bodies we had to trip over.
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we were stepping on people's arms and legs. i remember one man, a man i tripped over on the stairs. he was alive but he couldn't get up because he was old. i could tell by his voice. he was telling me, get off me. i felt bad and i was saying sorry. i was trying to tell him to get up and get out, but he couldn't get up. we were tripping on them. my daughter fell on the floor, but because i didn't let go of the rail, i grabbed her and i was literally pushing her because she wanted to stop, but i knew that if she did, i would stop and that was it. it was horrible, horrible. we were just going, just going, because if we don't run, we are going to die.
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so we just were trying to run. keep going, keep going. and then i saw... at one point i thought i was going to collapse, but i was lucky that there was a light, and i felt the fresh air. that's when i woke up. and when i looked, it was andrea and megan behind me, and there was no marcio. i met the fireman downstairs and he asked me which floor i was wrong. i said i came from 21st floor and i want to go back. he said, you are not going back. temperatures reached 1600 celsius inside grenfell. back on the 21st floor, six people were still trapped, including the pensioner ligaya moore. it may never be known what happened to her on the last night of her life. the authorities are saying
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that there's no way for ligaya to survive. that is their word. do you think it is possible she was asleep and just didn't wake up? for me, i am thinking she was so tired, and we separated for 30 minutes on the way, so that she was in a deep sleep. and was suffocated in the fire. by the smoke. i am still hoping she was there. next door to ligaya moore, sheltering in flat 182 were the el wahabis, who had heeded
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the advice to stay put. sadly, they were all to lose their lives that night. we just knew they were in there and they weren't coming out. that's what they told you? yeah, and you can't put yourself in that position. we got there, we were looking thinking, what the hell is going on? itjust kept burning and burning. only four of the residents of the 21st floor had these get the building. mr abdu, and helen and andrei sometime around 3:30am. others were still on the staircase. i kept shouting, keep going, keep going downstairs. i get as much encouragement as i could. at one point, my daughter replied back and said, i can't. and it was coming from behind, so that's when i realised she must have let go of the rail. i think he heard her.
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he tried to go back, and he was telling us, i'm here, tell me where you are. i said, follow my voice, i'm right here. i kept shouting. that's why i stayed in the stairwell a lot longer. i don't know exactly how long it took to go out. i tried to climb up the stairs, and she said, i can't, and at that point, she didn't talk any more. but the smoke was so heavy, you couldn't see anything that was there. i kept trying to shout, i'm still here waiting.
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i passed out and i let go of my dog because i couldn't breathe. i looked down and there was a light coming up. it was a fireman, so i quickly ran down, grabbed him and said my daughter and her friend had literallyjust passed out here, we need john help. his colleague was behind. he grabbed me and said, you can't go up. i said, i need your help. i opened my eyes and i could see some sort of light, and then i think, maybe i am out of the building. maybe i'm ok. and then everything goes black. they grabbed them because they could see with the light, and then we all helped carry them down. as i came down the rest of the stairs, i began thinking, where is andrea? where is my youngest daughter? at that point, i went into full on panic because in my head i started thinking... all those bodies that i stepped on, had to manoeuvre over, was that my daughter? was that my wife? so why try to go back up to try and find them. the firefighters didn't let me. they all grabbed me, took me down and said, you can't go back up.
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they smashed the windows at the bottom to make a walkway, and then they had the police shielding, because everything was falling down, and at the bottom, it felt like lava, all melted plastic. they had to use shields to stop things from hitting you. i said, i need to see where my wife is. the policeman said, i'm not promising anything but there is a pregnant woman over there. i sort of relaxed a bit at that point, and then the other one said, is your daughter's name megan by any chance ? and at that point, i was like, i'm good here, because i know they got out. 31 people who lived on the top three floors of grenfell tower are believed to have
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died that night. only five others escaped from there, besides the gomes family, helen and lulya. the fireman asked what floor came from and i said the 21st, and he was really shocked. he said, we came out when it was really bad. around 4am. they must have said in the news that above the 20th floor, they didn't make it, and here we are. we made it from the 21st floor. on that time. and it was really bad, really, really bad. i don't even know how we made it. how? i don't know. the deaths of all five members of the 21st floor‘s el wahabi family have left their relatives devastated. the youngest was just eight. his school now has a memorial to him in its playground. i would be pleased if his last
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moments were with the mother he loved and cared about and she would want her son close to her. his brother and sister were there as well, and i can only assume that if there was a good way to die, that would be the best way to die, i most people that loved you and cared for you. when you think about that last conversation you had with them, do you think about that last conversation? i do, and i'm bitter about it. as well as unhappy. it's something we have to learn to live with, but i'm not going to forget. i'm going to keep fighting the only way i know how, and i want someone‘s head or heads
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to be on the block. no way they are getting away with it. the annual celebration of west london live takes on new residents in the wake of one of the biggest disasters in british history. in the shadow of the tower, ealing feels a long way off. it is difficult at the moment. we have are better days. we have our bad days as well. sleeping is horrible. it is good to talk about it and we do talk about it every day. they didn'tjust lose close neighbours and friends. she didn't know what was going on because she was in an induced coma. my daughters were in intensive care in induced comas as well.
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the doctors came in and said, i knew there was something wrong as well, we will take the mother as a priority. so i broke down. because i knew what they were saying, without saying it. and then later on, they said the baby had passed away. i'm so sorry. seven months old ? seven months. did they say why, what caused that? to me, they didn't say anything. they can't say 100%. but they said the heart just couldn't cope with the lack of oxygen and the baby didn't get it. they were treated for cyanide poisoning in hospital, so was harlem's daughter,
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but they had got separated in the escape. it took me all day to find my daughter. she had collapsed on the tenth floor. ithink luckily, ifound my daughter about six p: m. 6pm in the evening. that is when i found her. she was lying in the bed, in a coma. we are lucky. so lucky. there has been times where i have finished playing football and i have started to make my way back to the tower and then just realised, i don't live there any more. start driving again to the hotel. marcio gomez plays every week with his friend,
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miguel, from the 13th floor. the man who told him to get his family out of the building on the night of the fire. justice is the biggest thing for everybody who lived in grenfell tower. all those who passed away and for the survivors as well. what does justice look like to you, what does it mean? for me personally, it means somebody or a company being held accountable. it is a chain of mistake. if one makes mistake, then it goes down, and down. this is the result. on the 14th day of every month, the grenfell community comes together to demand justice. it is also a public statement of mourning. and an opportunity for the survivors from the 21st floor to meet and grieve together. my wish was that everybody made it out.
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especially my close neighbours that didn't make it out. it's very difficult for us. it's been very difficult for my daughters as well, especially because they had kids and we knew each other really well. was it lucky? yes, maybe, for us. we can consider ourselves being lucky. but it's just a difficult situation to deal with. do you think you will ever find a home that replicates what you had at grenfell tower? no, no. it is very emotional. very. thinking you have got friends there who support you, always there with you and then all of the sudden, they are not there.
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it's not easy. i can tell you that it's not easy. katie razzle is with me here. a powerful story, as you say, of families, who, in some cases had lived there for decades? we tell the story of the permanent residents of the 21st floor. there were some reports after the fire that an undocumented migrant, a woman from the philippines, who said she lived on the floor. i contacted that woman in making this film and we established she largely lived on a lower floor, but she did spend some time on the 21st. she wasn't on that floor on the night and she wasn't willing
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to be interviewed for the film. it raises questions about the advice people were given on that night, it is hard to come away from that not wondering what was right and who made those calls? that is a matter for the enquiry. we did put the claims made by the relatives and the survivors of the 21st floor, we did put those claims to the london fire brigade and they did say grenfell was an unprecedented fire and due to ongoing investigations, they cannot go into details. it is worth pointing out that neither the gomez family or helen are critical of firefighters and of course, they are immensely grateful to them for having helped save their daughters‘ lives that night. thank you. and you can read more about the stories of those who lived on the 21st floor on the bbc news website. if you've been affected by any of the issues in katie's film you can find information and support at bbc.co.uk/actionline. just one other story this evening.
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jeremy corbyn closed his conference in brighton today promising to deliver power for the people and calling on the conservatives to make way. he insisted his manifesto promises represented a "new common sense" which puts the party in the mainstream of public opinion. our political editor nick watt was listening to the speech in brighton and sent this report. in the pantheon of political leaders, from left to right, a handful stand out for a rare quality — they defined the centre ground in their day. clement attlee and the welfare state, margaret thatcher and the curbing of unions. today, jeremy corbyn added his name to this illustrious list
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as he declared that he now embodies a new centre ground in fort he believes will be the post—austerity era. today's centre ground is certainly not where it was 20 or 30 years ago. a new consensus is emerging from the great economic crash and the years of austerity to when people started to find a political voice for their hopes, for something different and something better. applause. 2017 may be the year when politics finally caught up with the crash of 2008. applause. so, an ecstatic glastonbury—style standing ovation forjeremy corbyn. this was a relaxed and confident performance. as he said, he is now reshaping the political centre ground, and labour represents the mainstream in this country now. jeremy corbyn did acknowledge that even after its success in thejune general election, his party
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is still in opposition. his challenge is to take the enthusiasm from this hall and to reach out the parts of britain that have yet to be persuaded by his leadership. jeremy corbyn wants to remain true to his radical roots whilst delivering practical changes. in light of the grenfell disaster, which he said had highlighted a failed approach to housing, a future labour government would give existing social housing tenants a veto over redevelopment schemes. regeneration is a much abused word. too often, what it really means is forced gentrification and social cleansing. as private developers... as private developers move in and tenants and leaseholders are moved out. we're going to be seeing
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a labour government led byjeremy corbyn and it is going to be fantastic. i can tell you that right now. i look forward to it with such glee! jeremy is absolutely assured now of his position as our leader, and i think it shows, doesn't it, when you are a more comfortable speaker, it's come over as the realjeremy corbyn, and i saw that on every single day i worked with him, the real man. i think we've seen a bit more of the realjeremy corbyn, and that's a good thing for our party. i thought it was a really brilliant speech, and everybody in the hall thought it was great too, so i think we're on the move. the stirring words of the red flag brought the labour conference toafamiliarend. this time, they actually believe it. that's it for tonight. until then, sleep well. good night.
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- air. — air. our weather is changing, you've properly noticed that it is raining outside for most of us. this weather front is a sign of that change, swinging across scotland, england overnight. behind that, low cloud. misty and murky, a mild night, 12— 15 degrees. tomorrow, this weather front slow—moving. some rain coming across is scotland and east england, drizzly in the morning. the cloud breaking up later
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and sunshine moving in. a few blustery showers across the of the uk. a decent afternoon. temperatures 17- 20 uk. a decent afternoon. temperatures 17— 20 degrees. we temperatures should be for this stage of september. more rain moving in thursday night across northern ireland before spreading to scotland, england and wales. another mild night with temperatures about 14 mild night with temperatures about 1a degrees. a wet start to friday morning. and that's your weather. this is newsday on the bbc. i am rico hizon in singapore. our top stories: the united nations get the go—ahead to enter myanmar‘s troubled rakhine state. we will hear from one militant about his struggle against the army. translation: the army surrounded us. the people had no weapons. the army said we would die anyway, so we should die for the cause and be
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