as the owls sealed a first win in four championship matches. it saw leeds slip to fifth on goal difference. wednesday move up to 12th. barcelona's la liga match against las palmas was played behind closed doors at the nou camp following violent clashes on the day of the catalan independence referendum. as spanish police attempted to shut the polls, the barca players came out wearing the catalunyan flag in front of an entirely empty stadium. the club had wanted the fixture postponed, but la liga authorities and the spanish football federation disagreed. barcelona won 3—0. lionel messi scored twice. frankie dettori has won europe's richest horse race for a record fifth time. he rode the favourite enable to victory in the prix de l‘arc de triomphe. it was a dominant performance from dettori and enable, who led right from the start in chantilly. the john gosden—trained philly was priced at evens with some bookmakers before the race. 25—to—one shot cloth of stars came in second just ahead of ulysses ridden byjim crowley. ireland's paul dunne shot

a 9—under—par 61 on the final day of the british masters to hold off rory mcilroy and win his first european tour title. despite carding his lowest round of the season, mcilroy was unable to surpass the world number 192, and looks on course for only the second winless season of his career. dunne was in a five—way tie for second heading into the final round, but carded seven birdies and an eagle to win by three strokes on 20—under—par at close house. he sealed victory in style with this chip—in on the 18th. wembley has been hosting the second of four nfl games this season. and there have more protests. three miami dolphin players knelt during the american national anthem, while some new orleans saints linked arms. in what was initially a really low—scoring game, the saints ended up scoring two second—half touchdowns to win by

20-0. that's all from sportsday. there will be more sport on the bbc news channel throughout the evening. goodbye from us. now it's time for meet the author. siri hustvedt is a prize—winning american novelist who also writes about art and philosophy, and lectures in psychiatry. so it's not surprising that in her book of essays, a woman looking at men looking at women, her mind races back and forth from the visual arts to sex, to the science of the mind, and of course to the question of how we see ourselves. welcome. siri, you begin this book in your introduction to the essays

by recalling cp snow and his famous description of two cultures — a scientific culture and an artistic culture, literary culture, which couldn't talk to each other in the 50s. and you seem to be suggesting that we still haven't got over that. yes, i think that that very famous lecture that caused a great deal of controversy is something that most americans and people in the uk remember, so i wanted to begin by asking that question — have we come much further? i think the gulf continues to exist. i think what's changed is that science certainly has taken pre—eminence over what snow called literary intellectuals. literary intellectuals don't have the same clout as they may have had in the 1950s. one of the things he was lamenting at that time wasn't so much

scientists' ignorance of shakespeare but the other way round. if you said to, you know, a great literary scholar, "what's the second law of thermodynamics? they wouldn't know. that's right, and i think snow has a point. becoming literate or reasonably literate in both the arts and the sciences is extremely useful. well, you are... you talk about art, you talk about how we deal with visual images. many of these essays reminded me of people likejohn berger, for example, writing in ways of seeing, which was almost a revolutionary book. he was writing from a marxist perspective, but it was all about how we look at things, which most of us are often not conscious of. yes, i think the way we frame questions in the culture is vital, and i think we need multiple frames. so, if you are literate in both the sciences and the humanities,

you have access to a number of different perspectives and that allows you to dance, as i call it, among those perspectives and solve problems in the particular discipline that you are working in. that's the crucial point. you are... not uniquely, but you are splendidly placed to do this, because you are a novelist, a very successful novelist, you love the visual arts, but you also — as we speak you are on your way to deliver a paper at a neurology conference. you are making a case for the importance of thinking, of looking at an image and trying to work it out, of looking at ourselves and peeling away the layers of superstition or falsehood in getting to the real thing. are you concerned about the kind of culture we now have? well, i think we have to be aware that our perception of anything includes bias, so there is some

agreement now that generally we see what we expect to see, that perception is not passive. we're notjust taking in the real world, but we're actively creating it through our expectations. and imprinting our thoughts and beliefs... yes, and that would mean that perception is, by definition, conservative. so we bring our biases to our perception of things. one way, say in a work of art, to get past that to some degree i think is to spend a very long time in front of say a single canvas or work of art, and then time begins to play. you write about this, you know, very tellingly and almost with a sense of tension, about how long you should spend, you know, looking at a great picture. if it's a picture that will take that attention. yes.

and what you get from it over time. say, if you care about an image, if you care about the work of art, two hours will give you a lot, i think, and it will change your ideas about the picture. rather than racing around a gallery and saying, how many have i seen? yes, there's a pursuit of greatness, right? and greatness will influence how we look at an image. we've had that, er, attributions are changed, so a painting that was attributed to rembrandt is then discovered not to be a rembrandt, and what happens — the museum either puts it in the basement or moves it, and the spectators' experience with the painting will be changed by the attribution. we all know this is true. one of the things that i think is difficult to avoid is that you have been writing these essays in an age, particularly in the united states but not only in america,

where there has been almost a deliberate attempt to say, you know, cultural complexity really doesn't matter. we shouldn't care about this stuff. and of course, with respect to the sciences, where there has been an attempt by some people to say, well, why do you believe these guys in white coats? exactly. for somebody who's going about this kind of thinking, that's a pretty depressing atmosphere. it is, so we live in the sound—bite world, everyone knows that, but also the anti—science movement, you could almost call it. people who say, well, i simply don't believe it, i don't believe climate change. so what is science? science moves and changes and discovers new things all the time, so it's not a static reality. at the same time, there is a consensus about what is true or more true.

that's what a scientific finding is. that could change over time, but to deny that scientific consensus is extremely dangerous to my mind. but it's equally important to go back to where we began, in your view, that we take artistic sensibility and thought just as seriously, so the way we apply our own minds to beauty and truth. that's right, so every discipline has its strengths and handicaps. i think that's important to understand. so scientists are not always philosophically sophisticated about what they are doing. sometimes the work rests on paradigms that they have not interrogated. philosophers can help that, philosophers can help understand how the scientific consensus is arrived at. or, for example, historical changes. historians, i think,

are invaluable in showing why some scientific ideas are accepted at a particular moment and others are discarded. we need all of these points of view to think carefully and subtly about who we are, what we are, and how we become what we are. in a sense, what you are arguing for is the release of what was called in a famous book, you know, a long time ago, the liberal imagination. not in a political sense but in a sense of, you know, applying minds to problems in an open way. yes. i actually gave a lecture at massachusetts general hospital in january, and it was a grand rounds lecture, but i got the extra bonus of being taken into research facilities. and they presented, these young scientists presented their research to me, and at the end we began to talk about multidisciplinary approaches.

and i said to them what i deeply believe — i am not telling you to read philosophy and literature and look at visual art because i think we should all be well rounded, lovely people. i'm telling you this because i think it will help you solve problems in your own work. i believe that. siri hustvedt, author of the essays in a woman looking at men looking at women. thank you very much. oh, thank you having me. hello. it's been a blustery day today but the wind is only going to strengthen across northern parts of the uk overnight and into tomorrow morning. this cloud has been spilling across oui’ this cloud has been spilling across our shores, bringing this cloud has been spilling across ourshores, bringing rain, not very much, in the south. as that moves, we are going to change the wind direction, pick up more of the north—westerly and that will

introduce colder are from the north—west as the skies clear. the wind will be picking up around the base of the area and the wind is pushing the week weather fronts taking what is left of any rain out into the sea. skies tending to clear across the south. further north, as the wind continues to strengthen, so the wind continues to strengthen, so the cloud will fill in again and we get frequent and heavy showers across scotland, northern ireland and northern england. here the temperatures will not be as low as they were last night. 12—13d for the southin they were last night. 12—13d for the south in the clear skies. monday morning, there could be travel disruption across the northern half of the uk because of the strength of the wind, gusts of 50 mph in northern ireland and 60 mph in some areas of scotland. combined with the frequent and heavy showers, the rush—hour could be tricky. the showers become fewer, the winds lessened through the day. further south it will not be as windy. sunshine for a while. we will see

the cloud increasing and the first signs of rain in the south—west. 14-16d, but it will signs of rain in the south—west. 1a—16d, but it will feel chilly out there, especially in those strong to gale force winds in the north. this rain is what was left of hurricane maria. it slides through the southern counties of england and moves out of the way very quickly. north—westerly winds on tuesday, not as windy, most places will be dry, showers across the north but not as heavy and not as many. temperatures are bit low on tuesday, another chilly feeling sort of day. we've been getting excited about high—pressure on the chart, but this one will be a flat one, getting squeezed by the weather systems that are quickly running in from the atlantic, threatening some more wind and rain. the heaviest of the rain is going to be across the western side of scotland, largely dry for eastern scotland, some regulatorfor northern ireland. highs of 15—16d. this is bbc news. the headlines: hundreds of people are injured

in a day of violence in the spanish region of catalonia as police try to prevent a referendum on independence from taking place. one of the policemen took him by the head, took off his glasses and hit him like that, here, the first one was here. the spanish prime minister thanks the police for carrying out their duties, and says most catalans did not want to participate in the vote. translation: right nowl can translation: right now i can tell you emphatically that what we found today and what you already know was that there was no independence referendum in catalonia today. french soldiers shoot dead a man who killed two women in a knife attack outside the main railway station in marseille.