hello. good morning. it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. welcome to the programme what motivated 64—year—old retired a ccou nta nt what motivated 64—year—old retired accou nta nt to what motivated 64—year—old retired accountant to open fire on that concert, killing at least 59 people and wounding 500 others in what has become amerika's first shooting. detectives combing through evidence regarding pertinent information to shed light on this horrible event. we have recovered 23 firearms at mandalay bay and 19 firearms at his home in mesquite. the massacre has raised yet again more questions about gun laws in america. we will talk about them before ten o'clock. sacked for being pregnant or having a baby. campaigners tell us the government is failing to protect women from discrimination. government is failing to protect women from discriminationm government is failing to protect women from discrimination. it is

banks, insurers, utility companies, big conglomerates, retail, you name it. if it has happened to you, do get in touch and tell us your experiences this morning. we will page should be to the american rock star, tom petty, who has died in hospital at the age of 66. —— we will pay tribute. hello. welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. we will bring you the developing stories today. use the hashtag victoria live and, if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. detectives in the united states have recovered a large number of weapons and explosives from the man who carried out the shootings in the united states. the death toll has

110w united states. the death toll has now reached 59 with more than 500 others injured. our north america correspondent, laura becker, reports from las vegas. gunshots. as the first spray of bullets cracked through the country music melody, some in the crowd fell to the ground. others ran. they hoped for it all to end, but the carnage just didn't seem to stop. 80 miles away, in the retirement village of mesquite, police found more guns, explosives and ammunition at the home of the gunman. 64—year—old stephen paddock was a retired accountant and high—stakes gambler, who held a hunting licence. his family knew he had a few guns, but they had no idea he had stockpiled a deadly arsenal of weapons. very little is known about stephen paddock. police have so far found no link to domestic or international terrorism, and he had no strong political views. so it is here at his house that they hope to find the evidence to answer the key question — what drove him to

commit mass murder? 2a hours on, and the first vigil services are being held, to try to make sense of what took place, in a city usually full of frivolous fun. all faiths are represented here, as they try to find some comfort in one another. elsewhere, hundreds lined up around the hospital to give blood, to help the over 500 people wounded in the shooting. las vegas can often feel very much like a tourist town. now, the city wants to show it has a defiant, dignified community, in the face of such horror. let's go live to las vegas and talk to our correspondent. the police really have found an absolutely extraordinary number of weapons. it turns out that stephen paddock had 23 guns, 23 guns, in that hotel room

of his. notjust guns that he had tripods to stand on and come prepared with hammers to smash the windows in order to get shot at that crowd, the 22,000 crowd, in the concert venue crowd, the 22,000 crowd, in the concert venue across crowd, the 22,000 crowd, in the concert venue across the road. police found a further 19 guns and a whole load of explosive devices in his house in mesquite, north of vegas. they are no clear and knowing, at least in public, was why he did it. the next few days will see him scouring his computer, phones, talking to friends, colleagues, acquaintances, to see what on earth could have led a man who is a retired accountant to commit really what is america's worst ever gun crime. let's bring you the rest of the morning's news. rebecca is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. borisjohnson will address the conservative party conference in manchester. the foreign secretary

has been accused of undermining the prime minister on brexit. theresa may has insisted the cabinet is united, saying she does not want to be surrounded by yes—man. united, saying she does not want to be surrounded by yes-man. the answer to that is i don't set red lines. people use the phrase but i do not set the red lines. all i would say to this is, actually, i think leadership is about ensuring you have a team of people who are not yes—man, a team of people with different voices around the table so we can discuss matters put forward the view of the government. that is what we have done. we have already seen the foreign secretary this morning. he has been out on his daily run. you can hearjournalists throwing questions to mrjohnson and some of his supporters urging him on. we'll be bringing you his speech live on the bbc news channel later.

cata la ns live on the bbc news channel later. catalans are going on strike today to protest against the violence that marred the region's independence referendum on sunday. schools will close, hospitals will only treat emergency cases and barcelona football club is also expected to take action. the regional government in catalonia says 90% of voters opted for independence but the poll was not recognised by the spanish government. catalonian authorities say almost 900 people needed medical attention after clashes with police attention after clashes with police at the weekend. the eu still needs greater clarity from britain on key issues if the brexit talks are to move issues if the brexit talks are to m ove o nto issues if the brexit talks are to move onto the next phase that's according to the european president. he said more progress was needed on citizens rights and the border with ireland as well as the financial settle m e nt ireland as well as the financial settlement for the uk to leave the eu before they could open talks on a free—trade deal. the governor of puerto rico says

there has been a surge in federal support for the island ahead of a planned visit today by president trump. he has rejected criticism of his administration's and links of the relief effort blowing hurricane maria which struck the caribbean island two weeks ago. the government is facing fresh claims it is failing to protect women and new mothers against discrimination at work. a government report last year called for the introduction of a new system making it harder to make women's redundant during and after pregnancy. campaigners have told this programme that nearly to years on nothing has changed and we will have more on this story shortly. the american rock musician tom petty has died. he was 66. it is believed he suffered a cardiac arrest at his home in california. he was best known for a string of hits with his

band. tim 0rman looks back at his life and career. 1977, the year of punk. tom petty was still flying the flag for rock and roll. rake thin and cool as can be, he had a blue—collar sound. going on to become one of the biggest selling artists of all time. # she might need a lot of loving, but she don't need you...

along with his band the heartbreakers, he specialised in melody, intelligence, and sincerity. tom petty was born in gainesville, florida, in 1950, his interest in music prompted by a meeting with elvis presley when he was ten years old. he formed the heartbreakers in the mid—‘70s, although initially, they were more popular in the uk than the us. # it's all right, as long as you lend a hand... later, he would join the rock'n‘roll supergroup the travelling wilburys, releasing two hugely successful albums. but he would carry on recording and performing with the heartbreakers almost until the day he died. tom petty once said, "if you do something you really like, and hopefully it pays the rent, as far as i'm concerned, that's success." tom petty who has died. that is a

summary tom petty who has died. that is a summary of the latest news. in a few memories will bring you a film featuring women who were discriminated against, lost their job when they tried to go back to work after having a baby. effectively sacked for having a baby. if that has happened to you, you can send me an e—mail. you can text and message us on twitter. before that, some sport. we have the international football break. 13 months of qualifying we have had. we are down to the last couple of group matches over the next week or so. group matches over the next week or so. all four home nations can get there. england are the only ones who are likely to get there, straight up as group winners. it is england against slovenia on wednesday. have

against slovenia on wednesday. have a look at that, a very special guest down at england training this week. a world cup winner, sir bobby charlton full they have named the main training pitch after him. fabian delph and philjones were sent back to their clubs with injuries. harry winks hasjoined up. if they win it would guarantee them getting to russia. before they look to the world cup tournament they need to take care of business. to the world cup tournament they need to take care of businesslj think need to take care of business.” think it is a bit split, half and half. you must be thinking about it. that is the target. knowing we have thejob in front that is the target. knowing we have the job in front of us to get there. first and foremost is the next game, making sure we win that and finished off of the group. another step to our journey. off of the group. another step to ourjourney. they will go through as

group winners to russia with a win on thursday night but it is one of those weird times, victoria, where scotla nd those weird times, victoria, where scotland will be rooting for england to get that win. they are also in the same group. they have slovakia on the same night at hamden park. they have been saying for the last month it is all in their hands. the problem is that slovakia and slovenia can say that as well that is all very tight for who gets the second spot. four points might be enough for the scots and then it gets complicated. northern ireland will finish second. a slim chance they could finish top. the match against northern ireland on tuesday night is against germany. wales have had their player of the year awards. not the usual winner. you would have thought it would be a shoo—in for gareth bale. he has won six of the last seven years but reading defender chris gunter got the nod

instead. that is partly a public vote. he has not missed a wales at full six years. he is closing in on the record caps record. he has been an unsung part of the rise of wales. they are also chasing a play of scott. —— spot. they are second in their group at the moment as well for that they are facing a crunch match against the republic of ireland on monday in cardiff. last week we spent a lot of time talking about ben stokes. what is the latest? his club, durham, came out and spoke about it yesterday saying they would leave it to the police to sort out. it was ben stokes who was arrested in bristol eight days ago after the brawl outside a nightclub. no charges have been brought yet. we are expecting the police to say something about that this week. former captain michael vaughan has

been very outspoken about this, as you might expect, for the last week or so. you might expect, for the last week or so. the speaking on 5live to mark chapman about how the ecb must look at itself and not clamping down on ben stokes behaviour, when they had the chance. they talked about an incident over the summer during the all trafficked test match against south africa when he also went out to the early hours. -- old trafford. the story came out that ben stokes we nt the story came out that ben stokes went out till 3am test match in manchester. i knew that. it was the talk of the media centre. the story was ripped out of the papers, it was not allowed to go in. they made a massive mistake. i have no sympathy whatsoever for ben stokes. the management of the england team had to look themselves in the mirror and say, could we have done a bit more? could we have been stricter? certainly some income nations. the

debate goes on. waiting to see what the police do about this, victoria. ucb are handing out central contracts. though be interesting to see if ben stokes gets one. next this morning, claims the government is failing women over the discriminating pregnant women and new mothers face. a government commissioned report last yearfound one in nine mothers felt forced to leave theirjobs. it called for the introduction of a german—style system which makes it harder to make women redundant during and after pregnancy. at the time the govt described the reports finding as "shocking and wholly unacceptable", but 19 months on nothing has changed. that's despite the employment rights act and equality act which is meant to protect women from unfair

dismissal because they are pregnant or on maternity leave. 0ur reporterjosephine mcdermott has been investigating. women'sjobs women's jobs advertised while on maternity leave. being overlooked for training and promotion. your life is turned up side down and everything is just ruined. life is turned up side down and everything isjust ruined. you think about getting rid of everything and just ending your life. being criticised for time spent being sick with morning sickness instead of serving at a till. being excluded from meetings. how can i pay my rent? how can i pay my bills? i wa nted rent? how can i pay my bills? i wanted to cry, but i didn't want him to see me cry. a woman being told she was a waste of a salary, just some of the accounts from women in our workforce today. it's travesty that women in 2017 are still faced with this level of discrimination. it's banks, insurers, utility

companies, big con great 0rmond street hospital lats, retail, people don't know the real state of what's going on. —— conglomerates. shocking and wholly unacceptable was how the government described the behaviour of employers who discrim nat against pregnant women and new mothers, but a year since they were presented with the evidence after interviews with more than 3,000 women, there is no improved protection for today's workers. campaigners say inaction from the government is failing women. emma was working as a beautician when she became pregnant. she took legal action and settled with her boss because she signed a gagging order we're protecting her identity and her words are spoken for her. after three months on maternity pay her manager had forced her to go

back to work early. the manager said if i'm not going back to work i have to pay back all the maternity payment. it is illegal. it is against the law. yeah, i know now. at that time i didn't know. it was that time when they wanted me to go back to work. this is how they pushed me to go back. 0r back to work. this is how they pushed me to go back. or go back earlier. she was then called into the saloon and told by the owner she couldn't have her job the saloon and told by the owner she couldn't have herjob back.” the saloon and told by the owner she couldn't have herjob back. i didn't know what i could do. how can i pay my rent? how can i pay my bills? i was floored. really. i don't know. i wa nted was floored. really. i don't know. i wanted to cry, but i didn't want him to see me cry. did you want him to realise what he did wasn't right?” talked to my solicitor and i told him what i want is, i want to teach him. what he did is not right. i

don't want him to do it again. and i'm sure, still now he thinks he was right. but he wasn't. he wasn't. davina was the manager of a care home when she became pregnant. whilst she was on maternity leave, she arranged a meeting with her boss to ta ke she arranged a meeting with her boss to take more leave to help her daughter settle into nursery. you thought you were going to get your maternity leave extension honoured and instead you get a termination letter. no redundancy followed, no alternative job given. letter. no redundancy followed, no alternativejob given. it letter. no redundancy followed, no alternative job given. it was like myjob was alternative job given. it was like my job was turned alternative job given. it was like myjob was turned up side down because i never expected that. i was getting ready to go back to work and have my life back, but on the other hand, your life is turned up side down and everything isjust hand, your life is turned up side down and everything is just ruined. you feel that you had this baby and

you start blaming yourself and the baby. you have fights because you know of all the financial pressure. 0nly know of all the financial pressure. only one working. your bills are not getting paid. you're borrowing money from everywhere and you think how on earth are you going to return all that money? it is like you think about just getting that money? it is like you think aboutjust getting rid of everything and just ending your life. at least every week we get an inquiry in about somebody who has got a problem at work because of maternity. in the last four years, nearly 4,000 women have taken legal action over an unfair dismissal due to pregnancy. half of these ended in settlement agreements with damages being paid by bosses. karenjackson specialises in discrimination cases, but says settle m e nts in discrimination cases, but says settlements come at a price. i've never seen a settlements come at a price. i've never seen a settlement agreement that didn't have a strict confidentiality term in it. it will be you cannot tell anybody that this

settle m e nt be you cannot tell anybody that this settlement agreement exists. you cannot tell anybody the contents of the settlement agreement. the only people you can share it with your partner, your lawyer, your accountant, but nobody else. effectively the women are gagged. com pletely effectively the women are gagged. completely and utterly. people don't know the real state of what is going on. i wish i could talk about the cases and i wish i could talk about some of the companies that i've dealt with, and their attitudes to maternity and pregnancy which in many cases do not tally at all with what they say on their website or in their corporate pr. but i am not allowed to, unfortunately, but what ican allowed to, unfortunately, but what i can say is that if i look at the ftse 100, i can say is that if i look at the ftse100, there is good chunk of companies on that list that i've acted against around pregnancy and maternity. it goes across all sectors. there is no pattern. it cove rs sectors. there is no pattern. it covers household names, brands that

we know that we find in our fridge or cupboards. it's banks, insurers, utility companies, big companies, retail, you name it. so what proportion of this list would you say you've ticked off now? well, it isa say you've ticked off now? well, it is a good half. and it is more you know going on for two—thirds really. it isa know going on for two—thirds really. it is a really high number. catherine won her maternity discrimination employment tribunal, receiving damages and costs of £21,000. i couldn't quite believe it. there was numerous e—mails, occasions, meetings, events, where you know i didn't feel as if i was i guess back to where i'd been. i was omitted from the directory... 0mitted from the directory? omitted from the directory...

omitted from the directory? yes, so myjob and job title was omitted from the tuc directory which was really to see in print. i think at one point when i said to me manager look, i have come back, i am a competent, able professional woman. i have always done a really good job, ijust i have always done a really good job, i just want to continue with i have always done a really good job, ijust want to continue with my career and he asked a female colleague if i had postnatal depression. could you believe that it was the tuc that was treating you in this way, the body that represents 50 trade unions and stands up for workers' rights?” represents 50 trade unions and stands up for workers' rights? i was very sad actually because i felt as an organisation you know, who stands for fairness, equality and justice which are all the things that i stand for too, i felt really sad that a number of individuals were obviously bringing the reputation of that into repute and that was the saddest part of it. i guess i'm

quite resill zant and ifelt saddest part of it. i guess i'm quite resill zant and i felt that if i couldn't do it then what chance did, you know, otherwomen i couldn't do it then what chance did, you know, other women who didn't necessarily have the same sort of strength or you know, support network. what would they do? it is as important for employers to see and learn from my case than it is for women to take inspiration from the fact that you can actually speak out and do something about it, but you know the outcome, there is no winners. i can't advocate that strongly enough. there are no winners in these cases. the tuc says there was no malicious or conscious attempt to discriminate. catherine has gone on to continue her successful senior management career and now works in maternity services. one of the things the government has been recommended to do is bring in a dismissal ban like they have in

germany. 0nly dismissal ban like they have in germany. only in very rare circumstances can a woman be dismissed while pregnant or for four months after they give birth. how many cases are there each year in germany roughly where a woman has been sacked? that's something i couldn't research because there are no statistics regarding that. but i asked colleagues working in that field and looked at my cases and i had one. one? one in ten years. in ten years. and my colleagues told me it's unusual that there is discrimination while pregnant because the employees are protected. so you have had one case in ten yea rs. so you have had one case in ten years. one case in ten years. they tried to dismiss this person because they said they had too many problems with pregnant women. so she won her case? of course, she did. and the uk

situation with one fwh nine mothers feeling forced to leave theirjobs? i think it is a shame. it's a shame. you can find some co promice like we did in germany maybe. the government says it's determined to tackle pregnancy and maternity discrimination and there should be zero tolerance of it. it says it is still reviewing whether stronger fr0 kss still reviewing whether stronger fr0kss are needed and no date has been given for when that will happen by. for others, the call is for the silencing to stop. companies really ca re silencing to stop. companies really care about reputation and until we get to being able to name and shame them in the same way as with minimum wage regs, i don't really see that much progress being made. if the confidentiality was removed it would bea game confidentiality was removed it would be a game changer. i feel it is a real shame. well, ifeel be a game changer. i feel it is a real shame. well, i feel more than it's a shame. it is travesty really.

that women, you know in 2017 are still faced with this level of discrimination. after 10am, we'll get reaction from businesses. this person says, "after returning from maternity leave i wanted to transition back to work, working four days a week. i worked for a huge company and my manager, a woman, got rid of me by saying that whilst i was away, the company had restructured. it was a lie as loyal collea g u es restructured. it was a lie as loyal colleagues kept me updated." emma says, "i was made redundant when i was six months pregnant from a factory setting. they did pay maternity leave." holly says the majority of my nct group were made redundant within a year of returning from maternity leave. i have noticed how many other friends or friends of

friends have found themselves in the same kind of situation. 0nly friends have found themselves in the same kind of situation. only the ones that are prepared to knock themselves out working overtime or have extra support from family when it comes to childcare seem able to survive the cull. i am on my second maternity leave with a new company and have good faith that they will be more forward thinking on my return to work next year. abbey says, "in my experience, it is not just discrimination against pregnant women, it is also discrimination against women with childcare responsibilities. we often need to work part—time and get discriminated against by either not being promoted or getting loaded with more work than a part—time role requires. no wonder there is so few women in management positions." thank you for those. keep them coming in because we will feed them into the conversation later. amazon have been described as irresponsible for selling this hoody. it says that anorexia is like bulimia, but with self control.

should it be withdrawn? should it be banned? jeremy hunt is giving a speech about plans to increase the number of nurses. we will bring that to you live at about 10.30am. it is 9.30am. time for the news. here is rebecca. police investigating the mass shooting in las vegas say they've seized a large quantity of firearms, ammunition and explosives at the house belonging to the gunman. 59 people are now known to have died and more than 500 people were wounded when stephen paddock opened fire with an automatic weapon on crowds attending an outdoor concert. investigators say they found 19 guns in his house and several thousand rounds of ammunition. borisjohnson will address the conservative party conference in manchester today. the foreign

secretary has been accused of undermining the prime minister on brexit. theresa may has insisted the cabinet is united saying she doesn't wa nt to cabinet is united saying she doesn't want to be surrounded by yes men. the eu needs clarity over certain issues by britain before brexit negotiations can move on to the financial settlement and free trade. catalans are on strike today to protest against the violence that marred the region's independence referendum on sunday. schools will close, hospitals will only treat emergency cases and barcelona football club is also

expected to take action. the regional government in catalonia says 90% of voters opted for independence but the poll was not recognised by the spanish government. catalonian authorities say almost 900 people needed medical attention after clashes with police at the weekend. the american rock musician tom petty has died. he was 66. he suffered a cardiac arrest at his home in california. he was best known for a string of hits with his band. he helped to form the supergroup, the travelling wilburys. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. about the maternity story, joe has

said, the government cannot afford to ta ke said, the government cannot afford to take these women back. angie says this on e—mail, i had a wonderful job before we started our family. this on e—mail, i had a wonderful job before we started ourfamily. it was the best job job before we started ourfamily. it was the bestjob of my life. during my pregnancies understandably had to work indoors. i don't know why. 0n my return to work, on both occasions, i was kept indoors and told was no longer considered a driver. after years of fighting to get to my official position they finally made it impossible to stay to change my duty title to early evenings when my children needed me the most. i would have preferred to stay and do myjob. i am finding it impossible to find a similarjob. i am sure there are many women who would love to work during school hours, term time only. i still want

to get back to driving but there is nothing available. there are thousands of amazing women being overlooked. now for the latest sport. these are the headlines. the former england cricket captain, michael vaughan, says england management should have been stricter with ben stokes when he went out drinking during the old trafford test against south africa in august he was arrested last month after a brawl in a nightclub after the match in bristol. england have called up harry winks. the tottenham midfielder could win his first cap against either slovenia or lithuania. fabian delph and phil jones have dropped out of the squad with injury. wales are chasing a play—off spot. they have matches against georgia and the republic of ireland coming up. chris gunter has won their player of the year award. he has not missed a game full six

yea rs. he has not missed a game full six years. double 0lympic he has not missed a game full six years. double olympic champion max whitlock has failed to reach the floor final whitlock has failed to reach the floorfinal in the whitlock has failed to reach the floor final in the championships whitlock has failed to reach the floorfinal in the championships in montreal. he took gold in rio last year. he did reach the pommel horse final. that the full update after ten o'clock. police investigating the mass shooting in las vegas on sunday night say they've seized a large quantity of firearms, ammunition and explosives at the house of the gunman. 59 people are now known to have died and more than 500 people were wounded when stephen paddock, a 64—year—old retired accountant, opened fire with an automatic weapon on crowds attending an outdoor concert. investigators say they found 18 guns in his house and several thousand rounds of ammunition. explosives were also found in his car. paddock killed himself after firing from the windows of his hotel room. this is the moment police located

the gunman and force their way into the gunman and force their way into the room. authorities are still trying to piece together stephen paddock‘s movements and motives, and while they do many are asking if this devastating event could be the catalyst for stronger gun control laws across the us. take a look at this. let's get the latest from las vegas and speak to our correspondent. stricter gun control is never follow gun massacres in america. will it be the same this time? i think that is probably true. the scale of this particular event of course will raise those questions once again. it did after the massacre at the nightclub in orlando. it do it after sandy took in 2012. now we've got

another milestone reached with the numbers of 58 dead being the largest gun crime so far. i think, to be honest, if there was one next week, god forbid with 68 and one the week after with 78, the positions would remain entrenched. there are a lot of people in america who believe that the right to own a gun is part of the constitution, part of their basic rights as american citizens. and there are a bunch of other people who believe it is utterly unreasonable that even with that right you should not act set some kind of control on how many guns you own, what kind of guns you own and whether or not you have to pass some kind of fitness test in terms of mental health perhaps to own those guns. all those debates will rage. the numbers don't change the debate, to be honest. thank you very much.

let's talk to lucas bru, he was staying in hotel the gunman fired from and also to christopher hanson who was caught up in the pulse nightclub massacre in orlando. he was rescuing injured victims. also with us laura schwartz, who worked with us laura schwartz, who worked with the clinton administration to think the us needs more stringent gun control. we were also due to talk to a licensed firearm dealer and manufacturer in the states but they have pulled out this morning. lucas, every start with you. you are at the mandalay bay hotel whether gunman was firing from. —— let me start. you outside and i believe duct and a car when the shooting was happening. what did you think was going on and would happen?- happening. what did you think was going on and would happen? at that point, once the automatic firing started, i pretty much have an idea it was aimed at the concept. at that

point i was trying to look out for my safety and the safety of those around me and make sure law enforcement knew what was going on and just help them or stay out of their way as much as possible. yes. and how do you reflect on what happened and what you experienced? yes, it is definitely difficult now that i have had some time to rest and deal with it. ifinally got back to my hotel after being out for 24 hours. it is emotionally kind of training and difficult to deal with that. just even getting back into the hotel and talking to people who we re the hotel and talking to people who were at the concert and other things. it is definitely a trying time. do you support the right of americans to carry weapons? yes. despite what has happened and what you have been caught up in? when you say carry weapons, it is a very broad term. the type of weapons

based on what i heard coming out of that window was not a gun i can buy asa us that window was not a gun i can buy as a us citizen. it was a modified or illegal gun to begin with, based on the rate of fire that they have not released the details i have seen. not released the details i have seen. that is my guess based on what i saw and heard. i think, seen. that is my guess based on what isaw and heard. ithink, similar to, my take on it is, someone who wa nts to to, my take on it is, someone who wants to do evil will do evil. i was in london last week in the uk and i was at the stratford westfield mole subway station when acid got thrown over a bunch of people. that was the 400th acid attack in london. then there was the bridge attack where they drove over people and came out with a knife stabbing people. as a society we don't value human life enough and teach the value of human life enough. that is really the bigger problem here. let me bring in christopher. thank you so much for talking to us. as i said, you are

caught up in the pulse nightclub massacre. you helped to save a number of people. i guess that yesterday brought back a lot of very difficult memories for you. it was rather challenging. i wake up from a phone call to a friend who is offering her time in orlando as a therapist. she called to check on me. by the tone of her voice and how she was acting i knew something must have happened. my dad was in the living room with the tv on. i could hear the echo wings of what was happening and i was like, oh, no. as michelle explained to me what was going on i went to watch the television and the police chief was giving his announcement to the public. you could see the sadness in his eyes and on his face. i had no choice but to watch and listen. just to see what was unfolding. it was sad will stop and you say that a

number of survivors from pulse are planning to go to vegas to give support and do what you can. yes, we're hoping a team of team of some of those survivors to be able to fly out to vegas and give support to those who are out there. people can say they are here by our sites or they are with us but we want to show we are actually going to be there. we know what it feels like to be in a mass destruction. and to have someone a mass destruction. and to have someone shoot back to you during a time of enjoying yourselves and entertainment, with music, the live concert venue entertainment, with music, the live concert venue and entertainment, with music, the live concert venue and for us, the club, we don't know if guns are being fired in the background or if it is music. if you see the music ofjason aldean, he is confused on stage with thinking it is the microphone. you could just hear the nonstop noise.

it makes sense that it did not sound familiarand he it makes sense that it did not sound familiar and he could not quite focus on it. i could not imagine being a sitting duck in a place where you could not duck and he could not run. you had to wait to see if it were you or the person next to you. i could not imagine. do you support the second amendment still? i do believe we have a right to bear arms. if we want to go out and hunt deer or have a turkey for thanksgiving or a and squirrel, we should be able to do that. that is some of us eat. as far as automatic weapons which are made for mass destruction with extended clips and you mess with them on an illegal level, that is not something you should have as a normal citizen, maybe as a police office or even military, it is still kind of iffy. 0n thejob, yes, but of military, it is still kind of iffy. 0n the job, yes, but of the job, military, it is still kind of iffy. 0n thejob, yes, but of thejob, no. i have to apologise just for your

language a few moments ago but it was in context. i know some people may be offended by that is why i required to do that. conglomerates what do you think will happen this time, laura? we heard yesterday and today, calls for a moment's silence. many members of congress, even some republicans on the other side of the aisle are calling for a time of action. you know these two gentlemen who spoke so know these two gentlemen who spoke so eloquently, surviving two massacres in america, domestic terrorism if you will. there are a lot of things we can do. in fact the country agrees upon no matter who political party they are with to make gun control laws more strict and more safe for all americans. before you carry on, laura. from what we know of stephen paddock, 64,

retired accountant, you know, maybe a parking ticket eight or nine years ago according to his brother. never on the radar of the police really. as far as we know, no psychological problems. how would stricter gun laws have stopped him from getting a gun? well, we will start with this. the semi automatic weapon that he used were purchased legally as far as we know. the problem is, automatic weapons since 1987 as we know. the problem is, automatic weapons since1987 in america are not legal. but guess what is victoria? you can buy a pick that can two semly automatic weapons that can two semly automatic weapons that turns a weapon into an automatic. this man was able to purchase multiple guns. and then purchase multiple guns. and then purchase a kit for $50. making it

easier easier to buy silencers for automatic weapons. if there was a silencer of that weapon on the 32nd floor of the hotel they would not have heard pop, pop, pop and the clip unloading. it would have made it much more difficult for the law enforcement and security to find out where those shots were coming from. and more people potentially would have been killed. absolutely. why do we need to pass legislation in america to allow for a sighencer on automatic weapons? we really have to ask ourselves, another question victoria, if you have a licence to drive a carand victoria, if you have a licence to drive a car and i would think it is the same thing in the uk, and you have a car, you got to register that car. your name, youraddress, the numberon car. your name, youraddress, the number on that car, it belongs to you. guess what? there is no

national registry for guns in our country. and, it is getting easier to allow them to cross state lines in which to be sold. so, there are actions we can take that do not restrict the right to have arms which is our second amendment that my family holds true and owns guns themselves, but it is do not own automatic weapons and they go out and take safety courses and don't have medical histories and mental illness. as easy as that. thank you for coming on the programme. laura and before that, you heard from christopher, thank you very much for your time christopher, thank you very much for yourtime and christopher, thank you very much for your time and also lucas. 0n the programme yesterday we heard from gordelia jewell. her daughter samantha was missing at the concert having becoming separated from her sister. gordelia was desperately appealing

for information and lots of you have is been in touch to ask how she is. i talk to the police at the hospital. i talked to the police at thomas and macs. nobody has taken information. i have given the information. i have given the information to numerous people to try to locate my daughter. i don't know what to do. i went back home because she knows her street address so because she knows her street address so maybe she has given somebody the street address that they can call the house phone, the home phone. yes. i don't know. the house phone, the home phone. yes. idon't know. idon't the house phone, the home phone. yes. i don't know. i don't know what to do. right. and your daughter is 26 you say, samantha is 26 and she has learning difficulties. would she be able to, do you think, she would be able to, do you think, she would be able to get herself into a hotel ora building of be able to get herself into a hotel or a building of safety on her own? i don't know now if she is walking

the streets or where she is at, i have no idea. i have no idea. i mean, i have no idea. she could be walking the strip. i don't know. i don't know if she is in a hospital. i don't know, i have no idea. we've been in touch with gordelia jewell and are pleased to report that her daughter was found and is safe and and at home. the rock singer tom petty has died at the age of 66 after suffering a cardiac arrest. he was the front man for the group, tom petty and the heartbreakers, which emerged on the music scene in california in the mid—1970s and was best—known for hits including american girl and i won't back down. # we stayed up all through the night. # stayed up till the sky went light. # i didn't go to bed.

# i didn't go to work. # i picked up telephone, told the boss he was a jerk. # your mama don't like it when you run around with me. # but got to tell your mama that you got to live free. # see i need a lot of loving. # you want me to think that i'm being used. # you want her to think it's over. # you can't see it doesn't matter what you do. # but you don't even know her. # she's gonna listen to her more. # she's gonna tell her what to do. # she might need a lot of loving but she don't need you. # you can sit around and wait for the phone to ring waiting for someone to tell you everything. # you can sit around and wonder what your mom would think.

# and i'm free falling. # free falling. # i wanna glide down, over mulholland. # i wanna write her, name in the sky. # i wanna free fall, out into nothin'. # i'm gonna leave this world for a while. # and i'm free, free fallin'. let's talk to music writerjonathan winggate. it is terribly sad. his

family say they are devastated, understandably. let's talk about his amazing talent. he was born in florida and there is a story about how he became a musician.” florida and there is a story about how he became a musician. i think he decided to become a musician because he met elvis presley. how old was he? was he about ten? he was a youngster and very quickly he obvious will the songs. he took his teenage band and they sort of turned into the heartbreakers which was tom petty and the heartbreakers. it was a quintessentially american sound. what does that mean? he was a mix of bob dylan and the birds with a bit of yard birds and the beatles and he had a stick that was translated over the world. they sold 18 million records and they had sustained

success for 40 odd years. it is a long time. that's really, really impressive. and he, i mean, bob dyla n impressive. and he, i mean, bob dylan called his death shocking, crushing news. he had worked with a lot of big names and he really had the respect of fellow professionals? he did, but his music was accessible. you could hum those tunes. all of his band members in the traveling wilburys loved this quy- the traveling wilburys loved this guy. he was like the junior partner in that band, but he was playing with roy osh son and jeff lyn, it is astonishing. jeff lyn went on to produce his most successful record which was that's where freefalling comes from. although it was a solo record it was with the

heartbreakers. the songs never sounded the same. he was always moving on to something else, but in a way, ploughing the same american musical terry, but he had, you know, people loved what he did and i think there was, i get a sense that people we re there was, i get a sense that people were only starting to realise what great songs they were and actually he could be considered to be up there with the people he word shipd in the first place. maybe before, ten yea rs in the first place. maybe before, ten years ago, he wasn't recognised for that. he had a lot of battles with record companies and stuff, but he played hyde park last year and the place was packed. people loving these songs. when we talk about these songs. when we talk about these artists, it's always about the songs and with him, he had, he left this machine gun run of great american quintessentially american songs that people have loved for 40 yea rs songs that people have loved for 40 years and i think they will be singing the songs for as long as they will be singing bob dylan songs. thank you, jonathan. jonathan

winggate. next, amazon have been described as "grossly irresponsible" for selling this hoodie which describes anorexia as like bulimia, but with self—control. the jumper isn't available in the uk. amazon have previously been criticised for stocking t—shirts which say "keep calm and rape a lot" and over sexy halloween costumes designed for children. let's talk to beth grant who lived with anorexia for 13 years and to psyche thorpist dr suzy allback. beth, thank you for talking to us. how do you react to what amazon is selling? i think it's disgraceful. it could be extremely damaging to anyone suffering with bulimia or anorexia and for them to make a commodity out of, it is just irresponsible and disgraceful. it shouldn't be on their website. can

you explain to our audience why you say it would be damaging to somebody who had anorexia or bulimia? especially for someone with bulimia saying they are out of control could lead them to i suppose become anorexic and restrict even further. it could make them feel extremely, not ill enough, it could make them feel as if they are completely out of control and i think it could damage their mental health even further and it could cause them, well, to potentially harm their life, i think. doctor suzie, how do you respond to it? well, this is not a way to address anorexia or bulimia or fat shaming or the difficulties that people have in our society about size, shape, colour and people have in our society about size, shape, colourand the mental health issues associated with it. this is a way to make people feel really awful and they are already

anguished enough otherwise they wouldn't be in the difficulty in the first place. this is a terribly irresponsible on amazon's part. it is no different than the fact that you can find cosmetic surgery games for six—year—olds. we are breeding a culture in which the idea you should transform your body and everybody should comment on it and this is how it should be and if it isn't like the way you want it to be, it has to be some other way. that's irresponsible marketing and amazon should remove it immediately. we asked amazon for an interview, they declined to make anyone available for interview, or offer us a statement. but a spokesperson did point out that this hoody is not available on its uk site and can't be shipped to the uk. why is that good? what they should be doing is contributing money to the associations that try to help people with eating problems. and or

to the groups like endangered bodies that fight this nonsense. it is irresponsible marketing and they don't need to be making money this way. sorry, what did you say beth? you can still see it on the internet. you can type into google amazon anorexia hoody and it will come up. people can still see it. it will still harm them even if they are not wearing it. do you think it should be taken down immediately? they should issue a statement saying i'm sorry it was even on our website. ok. thank you both. thank you very much. you can find help and advice for eating disorders on the bbc‘s actionline. the news and sport is in a moment. before that, the latest weather. here is matt. may be offended by that is why i required to do that.

the cloud across some parts of wales and the north—west of england. the west of scotland and northern ireland will have the odd passing shower. still cool when you do not have the sunshine on your back. into tonight when temperatures dropping quite quickly once the cloud belts away in the southern half of the uk. further north, two, three degrees. wetter into the morning across parts of southern scotland and northern ireland. for tomorrow, southern scotland, northern ireland and a good part of northern england. increased cloud through the day. 0utbreaks increased cloud through the day. outbreaks of rain becoming extensive and persistent during the afternoon. still chilly in the southern half of the uk. a wet and windy night will follow wednesday night and into thursday.

hello. it's tuesday, it's 10 o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire. america's worst ever mass shooting took the lives of at least 59 people yesterday. we investigate what was the motive behind the gunman, a 64—year—old retired local man. the most i got out of him is he was trying to get more into his hobbies. nothing stood out. it was normal timing for him to come in for that he was talking how he was new to the area and visiting the firearms stores in the area. we will look at the debate raging around gun control laws. thousands of women are being forced out of work, simply for being pregnant or having a baby. an investigation reveals that although the government have acknowledged the problem, nothing seems to have changed. it isa it is a travesty that women in 2017 are still faced with this level of

discrimination. we will hear from a we will hearfrom a campaigner we will hear from a campaigner who is fighting for protection for women. do continue to let us know your own experiences. england's health secretary speaking at the conservative party conference. we'll bring you his speech live. it is due to happen in about half an hour. here's rebecca in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. police investigating a shooting in las vegas say they have seized a large quantity of arms and explosives at a house belonging to the man. 59 people are dead and 500 people wounded when stephen paddock opened by without automatic weapon on crowds attending an outdoor concert. investigators say they found 19 guns in his house and several thousand rounds of

ammunition. earlier, lucas who was staying at the hotel where the gunman fired from todd is how he is feeling 24 hours after the incident. —— told us. it is definitely difficult now i have had some time to rest and deal with it. ifinally got back to my hotel after being out for about 24 hours. it is emotionally draining and difficult. even getting back into the hotel and talking to people here, it is definitely a trying time. the eu needs greater clarity from britain on eu issues if the brexit talks are to move onto the next phase. that is according to the european president. he said more progress was needed on sticking points like citizens rights, the border with ireland and the financial settlement before they could open talks on trade and the future relationship. theresa may has brushed off talks of

challenges to her position. borisjohnson will address the conservative party conference in manchester. he has been accused of undermining the prime minister on brexit. theresa may has insisted the cabinet is united, saying she does not want to be surrounded by yes—man. the answer to that is i don't set red lines. people use the phrase but i do not set the red lines. all i would say to this is, actually, i think leadership is about ensuring you have a team of people who are not yes—man, a team of people with different voices around the table so we can discuss matters put forward the view of the government. that is what we have done. we have already seen the foreign secretary this morning. he has been out on his daily run. come on. right through them, boris. go for it.

you can hearjournalists throwing questions to mrjohnson and some of his supporters urging him on. we'll be bringing you his speech live on the bbc news channel later. the government is facing fresh claims it is failing to protect women and new mothers against discrimination at work. a government report last year called for the introduction of a new system making it harder to make women's redundant during and after pregnancy. campaigners have told this programme that nearly two years on nothing has changed and we will have more on this story shortly. tributes have been pouring in for the american rock musician, tom petty, who has died at the age of 66. he suffered a cardiac arrest at his home in california. he was best known for a string of hits with his band. he helped to form the supergroup, the travelling wilburys. that's a summary of the latest bbc news.

more at 10:30am. thank you for your e—mails, particularly describing your experiences of being discriminated against for either being pregnant or daring to have a baby. this e—mail says, i don't want my name disclosed asiam says, i don't want my name disclosed as i am taking legal action against my former employer, a bank. iwas made redundant when i was seven months pregnant and very badly treated by my employer for taking six leavejoin the treated by my employer for taking six leave join the prior months. this resulted in a depressive episode. there are a huge none of sex and pregnancy discrimination cases. sadly banks just seem to get away with it. the cost of taking legal action is very large and not many women are prepared to fight. it isa many women are prepared to fight. it is a bit like david against goliath. another one, i am 11 months into my

maternity leave. i was told by a large employer my flexible working request was denied despite telling them it would be impossible to return full—time. i offered several options for flexible working which suited the business as well as my own situation. all were denied. there is someone in my office who does the same job on flexible hours but not for maternity related reasons. one more. another more insidious form of discrimination i saw often when i worked at a large city law firm. i witnessed any number of young solicitors returning from maternity leave only to resign shortly after because the firm would not accept requests to work part—time while appearing to stick to the letter of the law. thank you for those. we'll talk more about this issue in the next half an hour. do keep your experiences coming in. before that, the sport.

the former england cricket captain michael vaughan says he has no sympathy with ben stokes but england management should also be held accountable after the all rounder was arrested following a brawl outside a bristol nightclub last week. no charges have been brouhgt against stokes yet who is under investigation for causing actual bodily harm. speaking on bbc radio 5live, vaughan said england, who have now provisionally suspended stokes, should have taken action against him when he went out until the early hours in manchester actually during a test match against south africa in august. the story came out that ben stokes was out till 3am during a test match in manchester. i knew that at the time. i knew that. it was the talk of the media centre. the story was ripped out of the papers. they fought tooth and nail to make sure that story did not reach the papers. i have no sympathy whatsoever for

ben stokes in what he put himself through. the management of the england team have to look themselves in the mirrorand england team have to look themselves in the mirror and say, could we have done more? could we have been stricter? tottenham midfielder harry winks has been called up to the england squad for the first time. the 21—year—old replaces fabian delph and philjones, who've both returned to their clubs because of injury. england's need three points from their last couple of matches to qualify for next summer's world cup. sir bobby charlton, visited the squad yesterday at their st george's park home. ahead of his 80th birthday next week, he received a shirt and also had a pitch re—named after him, having won the world cup with england in 1966. scotland host slovakia knowing they must win their last two games to guarantee finishing second in their group, and a possible play—off spot. northern ireland take on germany. wales play in georgia on friday. they had their player of the year

awards last night. big surprise in the six time winner gareth bale missed out. the title has gone to chris gunter who has not missed a wales match for six years. he is now only four short of gary speed's called for an outfield player. 0ne other football line for you. alfaro morata could be out for more than a month. he has scored seven goals since joining month. he has scored seven goals sincejoining from month. he has scored seven goals since joining from barcelona month. he has scored seven goals sincejoining from barcelona in month. he has scored seven goals since joining from barcelona in the summer. since joining from barcelona in the summer. he is also going to miss spain's world cup qualifiers against albania and israel. gymnast max whitlock has returned to competition for the first time since winning two olympic gold medals in rio. he stumbled towards the end of his routine, just there, and he did not make the cut. he did reach the pommel horse final.

i made a mistake but i am actually pretty ha p py i made a mistake but i am actually pretty happy with the whole thing today. i went out there quite inexperienced with my new skills. 0verall inexperienced with my new skills. overall i am very happy. i will have to train in the gym and work hard on the tumbles on the floor. hopefully i will come back with some big improvements. i will be back in half an hour. next this morning: claims the govt is failing to protect pregnant women and new mothers from discrimination they face at work. maternity legislation affords the women the following protection:— maternity leave of up to a year and pay for 39 weeks. reasonable paid time off for ante—natal appointments. contractual rights should continue during leave, including accrual of holidays and pension contributions. the right to return to the same job if up to 26 weeks' leave is taken, and the right to return to a similar position if more than 26 weeks. protection too from redundancy,

dismissal, and detriment due to pregnancy/maternity leave. a government commissioned report last year found one in nine mothers felt forced to leave theirjobs — it called for the introduction of a german—style system which makes it harder to make women redundant during and after pregnancy. at the time the government described the reports finding as "shocking and wholly unnacceptable" — but 19 months on nothing has changed. in that time campaigners estimate around 85 thousand women will have been forced out of work — simply for being pregnant or having a baby. 0ur reporter has been investigating — we bought you her full report earlier — here's a short extract. there is no improved protection for

today's workers. catherine maclennan won her maternity discrimination employment tribunal, receiving damages and costs of £21,000. when i said to my manager, you know, i have come back and i am a competent, able, professional woman who is able to do able, professional woman who is able todoa able, professional woman who is able to do a good job. i want to continue with my career. he asked a female colleague if i had depression. ) could you believe it was the tuc that was treating you in this way? the body that represents 50 trade unions and stand up for workers' rights? i was very sad. i felt as an organisation which stands for fairness, equality and justice, organisation which stands for fairness, equality andjustice, i felt really sad that a number of individuals were bringing the reputation of that into repute. it

is important for employers to see and learn from my case and for women to ta ke and learn from my case and for women to take inspiration from the fact you can actually speak out and do something about it. the tuc says there was no malicious or conscious attempt to discriminate. there are household names and brands we know, that we find in our fridge and cove rs. that we find in our fridge and covers. banks, insurers and utility companies. 4000 women have taken legal action over unfair dismissal due to pregnancy. in the majority of this solicitor boz mccain is his, her clients have signed gagging orders and cannot discuss what has happened. i wish i could talk about some of the cases and companies i have dealt with that attitudes to maternity and pregnancy which, in many cases, do not tally at all with what they say on their website or in

corporate pr. but i am not allowed to, unfortunately. but, what i can say, if i look at the ftse100, there is a good chunk of companies on that list i have acted against around and maternity. the government says it is determined to tackle maternity and pregnancy discrimination and there should be zero tolerance of it. it is still reviewing whether stronger protections is needed. it is a travesty that women in 2017 are still faced with this level of discrimination. conservative mp maria miller is the chair of a group of mps which investigate equalities. i think the government needs to take this situation very seriously indeed. we have seen over ten years a significant increase in the number of women who are reporting having suffered discrimination at work. yet

we don't see a clear plan in place to make the changes that are needed. the select committee report that came out now at the beginning of this year, makes some very particular recommendations and they would, i feel, safeguard particular recommendations and they would, ifeel, safeguard women in what is a really difficult time for them and a time when too many are being put under unacceptable pressure by their employers. i'm very frustrated by the fact that we have women still suffering unacceptable we have women still suffering u na cce pta ble levels we have women still suffering unacceptable levels of discrimination despite the fact that asa discrimination despite the fact that as a country we have some of the best laws in the world. we need to see better fr0kss for —— protections for pregnant women and i would like to see this government adopt the situation if germany which is pregnant women and new mums cannot be made redundant. we need that sort of protection to make sure the law is working as it is intended to.

maria miller. joeli brearley from pregnant then screwed which campaigns for better protection for women and who herself was sacked when pregnant. rachel maclean is a conservative mp on the business, energy and industrial strategy committee is with us from the conservative party conference in manchester. and gemma tumelty is in bristol. her hr company hires people for 6,000 small businesses and says employers' hearts sink when they hear an employee is pregnant. is that right, gemma?” is that right, gemma? i think that's, it's not that their heart sinks, it is a happy news and happy time for the employee and the business owner really wants to be happy for them. but... but in the front of their mind is, "oh god, how doi front of their mind is, "oh god, how do i deal with this. how do i resource the gap if they want to come back to work part—time?" in a small business, we work with small businesses, in a small business, one person leaving the organisation for a period of time, does have an

impact, undeniably, but the majority of small business owners want to do the right thing, but this is a minefield and we do need to educate and support small businesses to do the right thing and not to think oh god, this is going to be an awful impact on my business, but how cleverly how they can resource their business. that's what we do. what would you say to gemma in terms of, you know, her experience from some small businesses that it is a minefield. it is straightforward, isn't it? we are not saying that it's easy to manage pregnancy and maternity in small businesses. there are lots of complexities when you are lots of complexities when you are managing employees, but let's just have a reality check because confusion over the complexity. the government pays parental leave. they pay maternity pay. they pay 3% more than what the employee receives. so the costs aren't as high as people think they are. yes, there could be

costs in term of training. there could be costs in terms of recruitment, but they are not as high as people think they are. for small business, you have an opportunity to bring somebody new in who has new skills and those skills can be used within that business for a short period of time so they see it as an opportunity rather than a threat, it is a good thing. it does cost a lot in terms of recruitment and getting someone up to speed which can take three to six months. now, nobody is saying that's a problem. all of it can being overcome, but it is quite a disruption if you have only got six, ten, 12, 20, staff in your business. it's an undeniable impact and not one that can't be managed and maternity discrimination is wrong and unacceptable, but we need to understand where people are coming from in terms of that perceived disruption to their business and really support small business own tors do the right thing and not to see it as a real problem, but something that can be overcome, but let's not minimise the impact on or

the recognised impact on small businesses and work out what we can do so the woman is not discriminated against and the business owner can continue to grow their business which is really good for the economy and it means the woman can come back to work in a flexible way. can i bring in rachel maclean, conservative mp. and at the conservative mp. and at the conservative party conference. do you think the government is failing women when it comes to maternity and pregnancy discrimination? well, i have listened to this with a great deal of concern. it's clearly u na cce pta ble deal of concern. it's clearly unacceptable for women to be discriminated against in the workplace and it's disappointing to hear that some of the biggest companies in this country are failing women. and i mean i echo what has been said about small businesses. my experience and my background as an employer for 25 years running my own business and we bent over backwards to do the right thing for women and i am a trained

hr directorand thing for women and i am a trained hr director and that's what i did before i came into parliament and i know that the most small businesses do the right thing for women. it is time for the larger companies, they ought to be settle a good example and leadling the way in this agenda because we recognise as a party that flexibility is notjust because we recognise as a party that flexibility is not just when because we recognise as a party that flexibility is notjust when it comes to pregnancy and childcare, it is also to do with caring responsibilities that people have at all points of their careers. that's the way forward for the country and the way forward for the country and the government needs to be looking at that across the whole piece. the government needs to be looking at that across the whole piecem is all very well and good to say that businesses are failing women, but the government commissioned a report that came out 19 months ago which showed that 54,000 women a year are pushed out of theirjobs for daring to procreate. the numbers have doubled in ten years. the government have taken no action. no decisive action. you have paid lip service to the problem, but no

decisive action has been taken and in that time, 84,000 women have lost theirjobs for getting in that time, 84,000 women have lost their jobs for getting pregnant. what are you going to do to stop this from happening? well, i don't have sight of those figures that you've mentioned. i'm a newly elected member of parliament and i'm new to the role and new to the committee, but i hear what you're saying and we need to look again at that. part of the role of the committee is to look and scrutinise the government's programme of work in these areas as in others. so what we will be doing, what i will be calling for is to look again at this and see what action can be done. as was said earlier we have some of the best laws in the world to protect women and the position of women has improved drastically over certainly the last couple of decades in the workplace, but if there is more needs to be done, definitely i will add my voice to calls to look again at that and see where we can tighten up the law if that needs to be

happen. i think it is incumbent on businesses as well, it is shocking to hear that some of the largest household names who are not fulfilling their responsibilities towards women because they can do that and they ought to be doing that. this texter says, "i have no sympathy at all for pregnant women. small businesses can't afford to pay someone small businesses can't afford to pay someone when they are not at work." which is where you say the government pace the small business to pay the maternity leave. it is not on the face of it a cost to the small business. pauline says, "if your priority is your career then don't have children." you bit your tongue there. what happens if we don't have children? there will be nobody that's going to pay tax and nobody that's going to pay tax and nobody that's going to pay tax and nobody that's going to look after elderly people. men make the decision to have children just as much as women do. why are women encountering the discrimination? pauline says, "your baby only needs you for the first few precious years

and that will never be regained." let me bring in anita. tell us what happened. hi. i was let me bring in anita. tell us what happened. hi. iwas offered let me bring in anita. tell us what happened. hi. i was offered a, let me bring in anita. tell us what happened. hi. iwas offered a, iwas put forward for a promotion at work andi put forward for a promotion at work and i was honest and open at the beginning of that when i told them that i was 12 weeks pregnant. i was then interviewed by my area manager who got back to me a couple of weeks later and openly said that i wasn't being given the promotion because i was pregnant and it wasn't the right time with me going on ma mernity leave five months later. and you said what? how did you react? well, he e—mailed my manager to say that. ijust said to her that i wasn't happy about it. i felt really angry about it, but i don't know what i could do about it. ijust sort of had to say ok and get on with what i was doing. right. do you regret telling them and being honest that

you were 12 weeks pregnant?” telling them and being honest that you were 12 weeks pregnant? i felt that if i wasn't honest about it then my life would be made quite difficult when it did come out that i was pregnant. what could anita have done instead ofjust absorbing it and taking it and accepting it? well, anita, should have done, it is very difficult when you're pregnant, you are in a very difficult position. of course, yeah, absolutely. you don't have to tell your employer until you are much further gone and we would suggest don't tell your employer, you are likely to be discriminated. if you encounter that discrimination, document it, have a conversation with your employer to see if you can resolve it in the first place. if you can'tks contact pregnant and screwed and help you through that. we are going it talk to more of you. thank you, rachel. thank you very much for coming on the programme, live from the kich conference and

gech ma in bristol. england's health secretary, jeremy hunt is speaking. we are so grateful to you for coming tojoin us in we are so grateful to you for coming to join us in manchester. we are so grateful to you for coming tojoin us in manchester. we we are so grateful to you for coming to join us in manchester. we also heard fantastic speeches from kate kettle on social mobility, joy morrissey on the horrors of candidate abuse, doctor ben spencer on mental health equality and dr suzanne bartigton on mental health equality and dr suzanne ba rtigton on on mental health equality and dr suzanne bartigton on the importance of tackling health inequalities. the last few speakers, they are the future of the conservative party and we are so future of the conservative party and we are so happy to have you in our family. applause i have a great team at the department of health. so let me start by thanking them, the wise philip dunn, the savvy steve brown, the start james 0'shaughnessy,

philip dunn, the savvy steve brown, the startjames 0'shaughnessy, the street smart jackie doyle—price. the startjames 0'shaughnessy, the street smartjackie doyle—price. so please thank my team for their great work. applause sometimes something happens, that reminds you just how lucky we are to have an nhs. that happened right here in manchester in may. when that bomb went off at the arena, we saw paramedics running into danger, doctors racing to work in the middle of the night, nurses putting their arms around families who couldn't even recognise the disfigured bodies of their loved ones. 0ne doctor was actually on the scene picking up his own daughter when the bomb went off. thankfully, he found her, but instead of taking her home, he quietly dropped her off with friends and went straight to work at his

hospital without telling colleagues a word about where he had been. it was the same heroism after the london attacks too. so let's start by thanking all those superb nhs staff for being there when our country needed them. applause of course, they're there for us, not just in the national emergencies, but in personal ones too. when you're losing a loved one, when you're losing a loved one, when you're sick, unexpectedly, when you're sick, unexpectedly, when you're knocked side ways by a mental health crisis, the nhs is there. a—national health service and a national symbol of british professionalism and british compassion. but it only exists because of its people. so today i wa nt to because of its people. so today i want to recognise thighs that supporting nhs staff is one of our

most important priorities. we need more doctors. so last year, i said we'd increase the numbers of doctors we'd increase the numbers of doctors we trained by a quarter, one of the biggest ever increases. we also need more nurses. so today i can tell you that we'll increase the number of nurses we train by 25%, that's a permanent increase of more than 5,000 nurse training places every single year. and we'll do that, not just by increasing traditional university places, but by tripling the number of nursing associates so people already in the nhs can become a registered nurse after a four year apprenticeship without having to do apprenticeship without having to do a traditionalfull—time apprenticeship without having to do a traditional full—time university course, derby, wolverhampton and coventry universities have already offered to run apprenticeship nursing courses on hospital and community sites and others will follow, always making sure we maintain the high standards required by the nursing regulator.

we will launch a new initiative encouraging nurses who have left the profession to come back. our nhs is nothing without nurses. we need your skills, your compassion. with today's announced that we are backing the biggest expansion of nurse training in the history of the nhs. applause for nurses, as for all of us, pay and conditions matter. i have already said we will decide next yea r‘s already said we will decide next year's pay awards after listening to the independent pay review bodies. there are other things we can do today. nurses look after us but they also have their own families to look after. kids at school, a mum or dad with dementia, a partner coping with cancer. if we are to get the best

out of them we need to be much better at supporting them with their own caring responsibilities. they need to be able to work flexibly, do extra hours at short notice, get paid more quickly when they do and make their own choices about pension contributions. so, today, iam also announcing that new flexible working arrangements will be offered to all nhs employees during this parliament. we'll be starting with 12 trusts piloting a new app based flexible working offer to their staff. like many working people, nhs staff. like many working people, nhs staff ca n staff. like many working people, nhs staff can also struggle to find homes near work they could actually afford. so, from now on, when nhs land is sold, first refusal on any affordable housing built would be given to nhs employees benefiting up to 3000 families. applause

and there is one more group who, quite understandably, are a bit worried at the moment. that is the 150,000 eu workers in our health and ca re system. 150,000 eu workers in our health and care system. let me today say to them this. you do a fantasticjob will stop we want to you to stay and we are confident you will be able to stay with the same rights you have now see you can continue being a highly valued part of our nhs and social care family. applause now, i became health secretary five yea rs now, i became health secretary five years ago. it is a long time ago. but i will never forget my very first week. someone gave me the original francis report into mid staffs will stop they gave it to me

to ta ke staffs will stop they gave it to me to take home to read. i was absolutely gobsmacked. how could these terrible things really happen in our nhs? it got worse. the chief executive of the nhs told me i'd better get used to the fact that all over the world 10% of hospital patients are harmed. another senior doctor told me there are pockets of mid doctor told me there are pockets of m id staffs doctor told me there are pockets of mid staffs like problems everywhere. academics told me that 3.6% of all hospital deaths are probably avoidable. that is 150 deaths every single week, causing immense heartache to families as we heard just now. people like deaths, and what a privilege to listen to her this morning, made a choice. instead of drawing a line under their personal tragedies and moving on,

they chose to dedicate their lives to campaigning, reliving their sadness over and over again, just to make sure other families would not have to go through what they did. and they also made my mind up for me. my single ambition as health secretary would be to transform our nhs into the safest health care system in the world, where this kind of thing never happened. but, where on earth do you start? the first thing is to be honest about where the problems are. my kids are three, five and seven. i know exactly how good all the local schools are, thanks to 0fsted. we had nothing like that in health will stop against a lot of opposition, in 2013, we became the first country in

the world to introduce the 0fsted system to health care. giving independent ratings to every hospital, care home and gp surgery. the results were, to say the least, a big surprise. have a look at this. 14 hospitals got an outstanding. we assumed it would be the famous teaching hospitals but, in fact, it was often trusts no one had really heard of outside their local area, like western sussex under the inspiring leadership of marianne griffiths, which has probably the best learning culture i have seen anywhere in the nhs. 0r best learning culture i have seen anywhere in the nhs. or in mental health, northumbria tyne & wear which i was lucky enough to visit on friday and is blazing a trail on the safety of mental health patients. then we asked ourselves a difficult question. is good quality carejust

something you have to buy? of course, money matters. you need enough nurses on your wards and that costs money. but it turned out to be a more complex relationship. all trusts are paid the same nhs tariff. 0n trusts are paid the same nhs tariff. on this grass, on average from the good and outstanding trusts were in surplus and the requires improvement in adequate ones are in deficit. why is that? it turns out that paul care is that? it turns out that paul care is about the most expensive care you can give. if someone has a fall and stays in hospital and extra week, it is not just stays in hospital and extra week, it is notjust terrible stays in hospital and extra week, it is not just terrible for them, stays in hospital and extra week, it is notjust terrible for them, it costs the nhs more as well. but our biggest worry was about the trusts

we wouldn't putting into special measures. what would happen to them? would they get trapped in a vicious circle of decline? 35 trusts went into special measures, nearly one in five of all nhs trusts. so far, 20 have come out. what happened? take wex ha m have come out. what happened? take wexham park hospital in slough. when they went into special measures, the ca re they went into special measures, the care quality commission said their ca re care quality commission said their care was unsafe. six of their eight clinical areas needed improving. if you ask staff in that trust, the majority said they would not recommend that own care to a friend or member of their family. just think about that. the staff themselves said their own hospital's ca re themselves said their own hospital's care was not to be trusted will stop two years later, under the

extraordinary leadership of sir andrew morris and his friendly team, things were transformed. eight clinical areas with good outstanding and two thirds of staff recommended that own care. the trust became one of only eight in the country to go straight from special measures to good. let's give a big round of applause to all of those trusts in special measures. applause i learned then, perhaps the most important thing that i have learned in my time as health secretary. the staff in every trust are going into special measures are exactly the same as the staff when that trust comes out of special measures. in other words, it's not about the staff, it's all about leadership. we

also learned that you cannot impose order to your safety from above. it has to be part of a culture that comes from the bottom up. that sta rts comes from the bottom up. that starts with openness and transparency. let me show you how transparency. let me show you how transparency works will stop after mid staffs, we were worried about the staffing levels on our wards. rather than a top—down edict telling trusts to recruit more staff, we did something simpler. we just asked every trust to publish every month the number of nurses employed in each of their wards. what was the impact? this grass is the total number of nurses employed in adult nursing in the nhs. —— graph. from

the red line, you can see in the first two years from 2010 they went down. then we introduced water by board transparency. what happens? the blue line is the number of nurses trusts plan to recruit. —— ward by ward. they were planning to lay off more nurses. the green line is what they actually recruited. 0nce is what they actually recruited. once we started to be transparent about nurse numbers, the nhs ended up with 18,000 more nurses than planned. the public noticed as well. 0ver that period, in patient satisfaction rose to record highs. we also introduced transparency in areas like mental health, our major priority under theresa may's leadership. we are leading probably the biggest expansion of mental health in europe right now. progress

across the country has been patchy. we are using transparency to make sure that wherever you live, as ben said, mental health conditions are a lwa ys said, mental health conditions are always treated as seriously as physical health conditions. that is a central active of the government. —— objective. let's leave the health secretary there. norman smith was listening. what would you draw from that? what i thought was interesting is all roads basically lead to brexit, even in the health service. we heard jeremy hunt saying, please, all those eu nationals working in the nhs, stay with us. stay in the nhs and unveiling policies to try to make it more attractive for folks to go into the medical profession. they'll be more places for trainee nurses, nurse associates. they will

change working conditions for nurses to have more flexible hours. try to make it more attractive to work in the national health service. that is because the big fear, after brexit, many eu citizens working in the nhs might choose to go back home. boris johnson talking later. he will steal all the headlines, which he will be pleased about, no doubt. it is doris day. it is also the brexiteers day. —— boris day. one tory members said, we've got to take down boris. not eve ryo ne we've got to take down boris. not everyone is thrilled by his conduct. there is a view he is notjust putting down red lines over brexit, he is also trying to position himself for the leadership. today in his speech we are told it will be 100% loyal. he will not be sketching out any differences with theresa

may. that is because this party, while they may like his flamboyant style, they do not like disloyalty. the other thing is, this is how borisjohnson operates. the other thing is, this is how boris johnson operates. he the other thing is, this is how borisjohnson operates. he chucks in a brexit hand, runs the cover, then he emerges and saying what is the fuss about? this is a way he operates. today i expect him to be loyal. this morning, this is me again under pressure with boris johnson and she defended her style of leadership. i don't set red lines. all i would say to this is, actually, i think leadership is about ensuring you have a team of people who are not yes—men, a team of people with different voices around the table so we can discuss matters, come to an agreement and put the view of the government forward. that is what we have done.

another thing about boris day. how much adulation will he get in the hall? i suspect a lot. we are going to compare and contrast situations with the reaction he gets and that which theresa may will get. when you look at the media attention, every time he goes outjogging, he goes out for an early—morning brand. there are cameras filming him. almost forever he goes at this conference there are people running around after him. he is a magnet for media attention. he automatically grabs the headlines, pretty much whatever he does. and that has too great a bit with team theresa may, to see all the end user as he generates. you know, that is why some in the party looked to him as a

possible successor. let's be honest, this has been a flat conference and feels demoralised and demotivated, almost as if they were defeated at the general election. it was ray flat. when borisjohnson comes on, the lights will go on and he will add a bit of fees and excitement. that is what a lot of people are looking for, almost a feel—good factor about the party at a time when it is kind of a bit flat on the canvas. i think everyone knows that boris johnson would one day like to lead the conservative party and would really like to be prime minister. we have no idea what he would do if he got thatjob, we don't really know what his vision is for the country although we know a little bit about what his vision would be for brexit. he is very optimistic and sunny uplands and all that stuff. every time he speaks, it's like, it's like pa rt time he speaks, it's like, it's like part of his leadership campaign in a way. i mean how long is that going to go on for? how sustainable is that while he is in the cabinet?

well, here is the thing, when you talk to friends, allies, supporters of borisjohnson, talk to friends, allies, supporters of boris johnson, they talk to friends, allies, supporters of borisjohnson, they genuinely don't know what he is playing at. there is no master plan. there is no clear strategy to topple theresa may. in other words, clear strategy to topple theresa may. in otherwords, he clear strategy to topple theresa may. in other words, he makes it up as he goes along. i think he has an the stintive feel that down the line there is going to have to be some hefty compromises when it comes to brexit whether it is on transitional period, whether it is on immigration curbs and at that point i think his calculation is that many of the leave voters will be looking around and muttering under their breath, "well, this isn't what we voted." and up pops borisjohnson as the true voice of brexit! that's as far as his thinking goes. i don't think he has a strategy for reforming britain. i don't think he has a new world view. i don't think he has a grand plan for reviving the economy. i think he has a sort of instinctive

intuitive feel of how he can advance his own prospects and allied to that, is ensuring a swift exit from the european union, but beyond that, i don't think there is a boris master plan! thank you very much, norman. really interesting. norman smith live from the manchester. let's return to the shooting in las vegas which left at least 59 people and dozens injured. stephen paddock was retired, in his early 60s and seemed to be living a quiet life in a retirement con flex in the nevada desert community. he was a retired a ccou nta nt desert community. he was a retired accountant and he lift in mesquite which is 80 miles north—west of las vegas. no criminal record before yesterday. his father, benjamin paddock was a bank robber who was on the fbi's most wanted list. let's get reaction from people in the local community who knew stephen

paddock, beginning with his brother eric who don't r couldn't comprehend what his brother had done. the fact he that had those kind of weapons, where the hell did he get automatic weapons? he has no military background or anything like that. i mean when you find out about him, like! that. i mean when you find out about him, like i said, he isjusta, he isa him, like i said, he isjusta, he is a guy who lived in a house in mesquite and drove down and gamble in las vegas. he did stuff. he was a very quiet and kept to himself. i'm not sure about the two next door neighbours how well they knew him. i heard thaw wouldn't even know that heard thaw wouldn't even know that he was here except the thrash cans would come out and then they would go back in. the most i got out of him was he was trying to get more into his hobbies for being retired. nothing stood out. it wasjust normal timing for him to come in. he was talking about how he was new to

the area, visiting all the firearms stores in the area, found something on our shelves that he really liked and it took him a couple different trips, i guess you could say, before he ended up purchasing. the gunman, the shooter and the person with him, we the mesquite police department have not had any contacts with these people in the past. we haven't had any traffic stops or law enforcement, no arrest, no nothing. then they showed his picture, i was shocked because he was a nice guy. strange, but nice. well, this is the moment that police located stephen paddock and forced their way into his hotel room on the 32nd floor. really dramatic audio there. thank you to all of you who have got in touch with us this morning to talk about your experience of discrimination at work either because you're pregnant or you have gone on maternity leave. it is almost unbelievable that we're having this conversation in britain in 2017. campaigners are accusing

the government of failing women and a number of you have got in touch with us this morning including victoria. hello victoria. hello. also with us, anna who got in touch to talk about the discrimination she experienced. anna isn't her real name. victoria, we will talk to you and toa name. victoria, we will talk to you and to a chap who wants to give the employers' point of view and we have a representative from pregnant and screwed. tell us your experience? a representative from pregnant and screwed. tell us your experience ?” was working for a branch of the government in 2003 and when i went on maternity leave and i was giving cards saying, "sorry you're leaving." i hadn't said i was leaving, but they presumed i don't continue whilst i had a baby. did you try and fight that?” continue whilst i had a baby. did you try and fight that? i did, but i

went on maternity leave. whilst i was on ma mernity leave i fell pregnant again and took another batch of maternity, but did work in between locally for their office in portsmouth and after i had my second child, i was suspended because i had flown back to portsmouth because one of my children was ill and was told i needed to decide whether i wanted to continue my career or be a mother. wow. let me bring in anna. hi anna. anna is not her real name. how are you? not too bad. what happened to you, briefly? i'm currently in month 11 of my maternity leave and i was called a few weeks ago when i was on holiday that my request for flexible working had been denied which i'm currently in appeal with regards to that. ok. and how do you react when you're

told your flexible working is denied? well, i was furious at the time. i have got other colleagues in the same office in the same job on flexible working, but not for maternity purpbss. what is the requirement on employers when it comes to people requesting flexible working? flexible hours which is a mum returning to work, wanting to return to work part—time because she had a baby. you have a legal right to for flexible organisation, but the organisation has no legal requirement to offer you it. they have to have a good business case and able to put forward that good business case for why they are rejecting it, but actually, it is really easy to make a case for not accepting flexible working. we actually are campaigning at the moment for employers to have to say how many flexible working requests are made and how many are granted so that's transparent to people who are starting to work for that organisation and we believe it will start to change the culture. could

anna ask for those figures? she can ask, but she won be given them. we are campaigning for that to be a legal right that they can ask and get in the legal figures. let me bring in howard. hi howard. good morning. talk to me from the employers point of view. well, i think, you know, if you are a large and media sized employer, the cost of doing this is not too great, but i suspect to the smaller business, the costs of maternity leave can be substantial. let me say, first, i respect the right and the regulations concerning maternity leave, but it's expensive to administrate and it's complicated. we wa nt administrate and it's complicated. we want to keep as many of the good employees as we possibly can and we'lljump employees as we possibly can and we'll jump through hoops employees as we possibly can and we'lljump through hoops to do that. but if you think of it in terms of a smaller business, an employer has to

pay 90% of normal wages for the first six weeks and that maybe two, three, four thousand pounds and then after that, they statutory have to pay another potentially 33 weeks at £141 a week. that's £4600. so, we're already up to £8,000, plus we have to find a temporary replacement...” mean the government, sorry to interrupt howard, you do this. the government pays that money. employers have no legal obligation to pay any additional money to what the government pay already and very few employers offer enhanced maternity leave. we believe the onus should be on the government and the government are doing nothing about this. they should be helping employers, they should be helping pregnant women and women on maternity leave which is why we will be holding a big demonstration on 3ist be holding a big demonstration on 31st october in six cities across the uk to ask the government to do something about this for employers

and for employees. do you think howard that people think it's going to be expensive and complex and therefore, you know, in around about way, try and discourage the woman from either coming back to work or from either coming back to work or from working flexible hours to make it difficult for her to come back? yeah, i think, i think that's, you know, i think that's certainly the case. we also don't know, you know, whether the employee will actually come back at the end of her maternity leave. she is fully entitle to give notice and to leave. so, apart from the chaotic situation which tends to apply in the office when you try to get cover and the cover is not trained, you have to train up the cover, you're not quite sure when the person is really going to come back or if they are going to come back. it leaves you in a small management dilemma i would say. quick one. do you have children, howard? i have hundreds. it maybe thousands of children, yes, i have five! wow. did your wife work, when

she was having children? no. 0k. i'm just interested. thank you so much, howard. a final word from you, what advice are you giving to anybody watching today who feels like they might be discriminated against when it comes to either being pregnant or going back to work? document it. try and have a conversation with your employer, see if you can resolve the situation. if you can't, contact pregnant and screwed and we will help you. come on the march so we can campaign for real change to protect women better. a viewer says, "your topic today, i'm shocked. people are acting like getting pregnant is a dumb act." ian says, "employers can get away with discrimination because access to the law is too expensive. thank you, newsroom live is next. cloly is here tomorrow. i'm back on thursday. have a good day. good morning. it is a pleasant

autumn day out there. we have got sunshine across most areas. breezy. so if you're in the shade, in the breeze, it might feel chilly, but in sunshine, it will feel nice. this was in leicester a short time ago. lots of sunshine across most of england and wales. a bit more cloud across northern parts of wales, north—west england and scotland and northern ireland. still a few showers coming in towards the west of scotland, into this afternoon. still windy conditions particularly in the far north and east. temperatures across northern areas, 13 or 14 celsius. now tonight there will be rain moving into northern scotland and moving into northern scotland and moving southward. the wind picking up here from the west. further south, with clear skies, it will turn chilly into wednesday morning, but there will be brighter skies across southern but there will be brighter skies across southern areas but there will be brighter skies across southern areas to start off the morning and there will be sunshine across scotland as the afternoon goes on, but rain spreads southward across scotland and into northern england and northern

ireland and north wales. the wind picking up as well. top temperatures tomorrow 12 or 13 celsius. again in the north, 15 or 16 celsius. bye— bye. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11.00: police investigating the mass shooting in las vegas discover the killer, 66—year—old stephen paddock, had amassed a significant cache of weapons and explosives. we have recovered 23 firearms at mandalay bay, and 19 firearms at his home in mesquite. vigils have been held for the 59 people who died, as details begin to emerge of some of the victims. we will not be tarnished by this one

sick horrible human being, that he thought he could destroy who and what we are. the other main stories developing this hour: theresa may dismisses questions over boris johnson's recent