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hello, it's tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, i'm tina daheley, welcome to the programme. criminal gangs are trafficking thousands of children from london around the country to sell drugs — a leading charity has told this programme. kids as young as 12 are used to transport and sell the drugs — a practice known by the police as county lines, or cuckooing. we've spoken exclusively to two young people who were exploited in this way. it could have led to me being arrested, getting kill, ifelt lucky getting out when i could have. disabled people are losing out on jobs because a government support scheme, aimed at helping disabled people with physical and mental health conditions work is no longer fit for purpose, campaigners and recipients have told this programme. they say the access to work programme is beset by errors, with many having vital support cut. the thought of having to cut my hour, i could feel me shrinking,
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becoming a small person and feeling quite terrified about what my future is. in his latest film, breathe, andrew garfield plays robin cavendish, who became tethered to a breathing machine in order to stay alive after contracting polio in the 19505 aged just 28. with the love and support of his wife diana, played by claire foy, robin broke free and changed not only his life, but that of disabled people around the world forever. we will be speaking to diana, and her and robin's sonjonathan, who is the producer of this moving true story. i don't want to go on living here... what are we waiting for? hello.
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welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. also, as hundreds of teachers, support staff and parents join a mass lobby of parliament today, in a bid to persuade the government to give schools more funding, we talk to parents who say they are feeling the pinch. and we'd love to hear what you've got to say — have you been asked to pay for something that used to be covered by your kids‘ school? or do you feel the opposite and that your school is doing better than ever? do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag victoria live, and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. hospitals in england could carry out 280,000 extra operations a year just by making better use of operating theatres. analysis by the watchdog nhs improvement, due out later this week, suggests that an average of 2 hours a day are lost in operating theatres because of late starts and other delays. here's our health editor, hugh pym. waiting lists for routine operations are growing and there's a continuing debate over whether more money is needed for the nhs or whether it
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could be more efficient. now analysis by a health regulator seen by the bbc suggests that more patients could be treated in operating theatres. nhs improvement looked at non—urgent surgery at 100 trusts in england last year. it says 1.61; million operations were carried out, but an extra 280,000 more could have taken place and on average, there was about 140 minutes of unused operating theatre time each day. reducing late starts, early finishes and last minute cancellations would have made a big difference according to the regulator, but the royal college of surgeons says it's a complex issue. i think the nhs can always be more efficient and i think people have worked very hard to try to make it more efficient and i think we should continue to work very hard to make it more efficient, but i don't think those efficiency savings are going to resolve the ever increasing demand that is being put on the health service. nhs improvement says it hopes
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the research will enable hospitals to identify bottlenecks in their system, to ensure operations are scheduled more appropriately and more patients receive the care they need quickly. these figures sound pretty bad, what is the full picture? tina, it is a very varied picture, this analysis by nhs improvement suggests that a lot more operations could be done, but thaw is the average, 280,000 more at 100 trusts that were looked at last year. there are some example of good practise, where they have worked to try to fit in more patient, that is what it is about, patients who have waited a long time for routine surgery and often it is delayed further and yet more operations could carried out but it
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seems it is down to late start, early finish, often the surgical tea m syste m early finish, often the surgical team system there but the patient isn't ready, hasn't been brought in at the beginning of the operating list or there could be a last minute cancellation and that go back to preparing the patients more. what they are saying is they could do better and there are ways of doing better and there are ways of doing better to maximise the amount of the time they use. what response can we expect? the royal college of surgeons was tentative they are anxious not to be seen to be the recipient of criticism, it is not surgeons who are not criticised for working hard enough, they know there could be more efficiency, they are saying it's a wired problem you have beds occupied by medically fit patients and they can't leave because of social care problems so the beds aren't available for the patients coming out of the operating theatres so they say it a wired problem and demand is rising and more money is needed. with all the talk of more money being needed for
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the nhs, and also could it be more efficient, this is an interesting contribution, waiting lists are rising, it is all about getting patients the care they need. thank you huw. thank you huw. reeta is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. police in england and wales have been accused of letting down victims of modern slavery at every stage — in a scathing report by the inspectorate of constabulary. the inspectorate found that cases had been closed without any enquiries being made, and in some instances detectives didn't speak to victims. police say they fully accept the recommendations in the report the police have got lots of techniques, lots of methods, lots of tactics to gather evidence. when they deal with drug dealing, for example, they don't have a victim. they need to start using the resources they have got and find out who's doing this, who is the master mind behind it and then prosecute them. we will have more on that few
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minutes when we hear how children will being exploited and trafficked by gangs. will being exploited and trafficked by gangs. the reporting of crimes such as cyberbullying, trolling and online harassment has increased by 85% in the last two years, according to figures obtained by the bbc. more than 200 malicious communication offences are recorded every day by police forces in england and wales, but the officer leading the fight against digital crime says it is just "the tip of an iceberg". emma glasbay reports. thank you for the stars. this is live.me, a video streaming app. victoria from leeds uses it to chat online, but last year she started getting abuse and threats. photos of her home were posted online and she was dared to try and leave the house. 0ne user threatened to force himself on her. she was even told "go kill yourself" and her address was posted on twitter as a house to burgle. this hasjust ruined my life. like i used to be an outgoing person and now i'm just getting there,
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trying to get back to my old self. with more people using smartphones and social media, police are getting more reports of malicious communications offences. that can include threats sent by online trolls, abusive text messages, pornographic images and cyberbullying. research by the bbc has found more than 200 offences are being recorded by police in england and wales every day. the number has risen by 85% over the past two years. i think this is the tip of an iceberg. i think as policing and society changes into the digital age, this is only going to increase and providers, government, law enforcement and users all need to get ready how we protect people more effectively and then how we bring the criminals to justice. with the support of her family, victoria is slowly getting her confidence back. so far no one has been arrested over the threats she received. disability campaigners have
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criticised a key government scheme which helps deaf and disabled people in the workplace as not fit for purpose. the scheme provides support for people with disabilities beyond what employers are obliged to do by law. but a new report seen by this programme says access to work — once hailed as the most successful programme of its type — is beset by errors, delays and is being hit by a government drive to bear down on costs. the government says it's "committed to supporting disabled people to get into employment or keep theirjobs". a 53—year old man is due in court today charged in connection with an armed siege that lasted 4 hours at a bowling alley in nuneaton in warwickshire on sunday. david clark is charged with false imprisonment, criminal damage, and possessing a blade and an imitation firearm. the president of the european commission, jean claude juncker, has said that he believes the eu
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and britain will reach a fair deal on brexit. he's been speaking in the last few minutes in strasbourg. what should i say about brexit? i would like to say that the commission is not negotiating in an hostile mood. we want a deal. those who don't want a deal, the no dealer, they have no friends in the commission, we want a fair deal. and we will have a fair deal with britain. the no deal is not our working assumption. thank you. applause a british former assistant of harvey weinstein says she was paid £125,000 to keep quiet after accusing the movie mogul of sexual harassment. zelda perkins told the financial times she signed a non—disclosure agreement in 1998 after making the accusations. she said weinstein asked her to give him massages and tried to pull her into bed. weinstein has denied any allegations of non—consensual sex "unequivocally". two women charged with killing
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kim jong—nam, the half—brother of north korea's leader, are revisiting the crime scene in malaysia. indonesian siti aisyah and vietnamese doan thi huong were at kuala lumpur airport on tuesday. the pair are accused of rubbing the highly toxic vx nerve agent on mr kim's face as he waited for a flight. they have pleaded not guilty to murder, saying it was a tv prank and they were tricked by north korean agents. the labour mp who defeated nick clegg in this year's general election, jared 0'mara, has apologised for using what's been described as "vile" and "horrendous" language in the past. mr 0'mara said he was a sexist and homophobic young man when he made the comments posted online in 2002 and 2004, but says his views have since changed. he's not been suspended from the party but has stood down from the women and equalities committee.
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an extremely rare £1.5 million supercar was badly damaged after it smashed into a crash barrier in west sussex. the pagani zonda, which has a top speed of more than 200mph, crashed on the a27 at tangmere on saturday morning. sussex police said the driver was not injured but the "one—off" italian—made car was left with "significa nt damage". it is thought the car was travelling in a convoy of sports cars at the time and police have appealed for witnesses. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport with jessica creighton. jess, cristiano ronaldo picked up more silverware last night. yes, good morning. ronaldo must be
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running out of space. as you say another award for the real madrid and portugal star. this time it was the best awards, the best male player of the year. voted for by international player, the coaches, fa ns international player, the coaches, fans and the media. what a year he has had. he has won the champions league and the cup and league double in spain, he beat messi of barcelona to the award and neymar of ps6 who he thanked in his accept tan speech. thank you a lot, the guys who are voting on me, i mention neymar. applause iam applause i am really glad this is a great moment for me, i know i have fans all over the world, so thank you a lot for the support. applause the women's award was won by a dutch
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player. they won the european championships of course this summer and she was the top goal scorer, so very well deserved to her. in terms of british success celtic won the best fans award. let us talkjobbed. a few names in the frame for the vacant everton manager'sjob. the frame for the vacant everton manager's job. my man whose has kick add football is often linked. we they that david unsworth in charge of the under 23s will take temporary charge. he has a big first match against the premier league champions chelsea, that is in the league cup tomorrow. let us look at the other names in the frame. could there be a return for david moyes? he had a successful period at the club but a pretty ha rd successful period at the club but a pretty hard time since he left. he is well—known to the fans and the hierarchy, sean dyche, another name in the frame. thought to be one of the hot favourites. he has done a brilliantjob at burnley. they are
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up brilliantjob at burnley. they are up to eighth. sam allardyce, he didn't last long as england manager just one game, he is known for getting teams out of sticky situations, and finally, carlo ancelotti. probably the biggest name linked to thisjob. ancelotti. probably the biggest name linked to this job. he ancelotti. probably the biggest name linked to thisjob. he is a ancelotti. probably the biggest name linked to this job. he is a three time champions league winner and more importantly, he is not in a job at the moment, after leaving bayern munich. whoever takes charge they have a massive it is aing on their hands. everton are bottom of their group in the europa league, in the bottom three in the premier league and they are without a win in five. so whoever comes in has serious work to do. thank you very much. thousands of children from london are being exploited and trafficked around the country by gangs to sell drugs — that's according to a leading charity. the police call this ‘county lines‘ — gangs use children as young as 12 to traffic drugs, using dedicated mobile phones or ‘lines'. speaking to this programme, the government's anti—slavery commissioner has described those
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figures as "shocking" — and the home office has announced a £300,000 fund to help charities provide support to young people caught up in county lines activity. last year, the national crime agency described it as a ‘national problem', with around 70% of forces reporting they were dealing with these kinds of cases. we've been speaking to two former teenage drug runners about what happened to them. we've disguised their identities and their voices are spoken by actors. simon cox went to meet them. i got involved through friends, seeing friends come back with lots of money and that. i was about 15, yeah, at school. actually, about 13, 14. they were telling me about it like, they were like, "it's an easy way of making money", things like that. and i'm like, "why not?" feeling, having a family that you ain't got. being around people that are older than you and they're looking after you at that moment. that's protection. inner—city gangs are using children to move drugs to small towns in the uk. kids as young as 12 set up in a vulnerable drug user's house. they sell drugs worth
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thousands of pounds a day. the police call this county lines. the gangs call it going country. this is the story of two former teenage drug runners. they managed to get out. we have protected their identities because their lives are still at risk. going away. sometimes i would go on a train. the first time was like, i think it was like a week, two weeks, i think. the longest was probably like a month. i was scared. all i did was stay in the house, then people came to me. they would come at different times. you could have like three at the door at the same time. sometimes it gets hectic. and managing the money, managing drugs, it was hectic.
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class a, crack and all that. the first night i was a bit, "ok, this is different." it was a bit scary. but from the time you see the money, you're thinking, "0k, i canjust bear a bit more like, i canjust turn and hold a bit more," do you know what i mean? i earned about £800. but people can earn thousands. probably about two grand a month, probably. so like 250 a week, 300, depends. there was times where i didn't. i actually didn't have a place to stay, where i had to stay in a graveyard for a whole night. i remember looking at the stars and i saw a question mark, literally. that experience was crazy. the first house i was
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in was all right. it was just a normal house. it had games and things like that. so like yeah, it kept me preoccupied. but the two houses i was in the other time, no, it was terrible. yeah, i saw someone overdose. there were things in the house. people using needles. needless was everywhere. the second two times i was hesitant with the money and stuff, just in case they took it. that's one of the reasons why i never slept. some people had like knives and things like that. i had a knife with me, so i felt all right, yeah. yeah, yeah, there's always a risk every day. i remember once i had drugs and also i had a knife, a little flickie. i was working with drugs. that probably could put me in like a minimum of two years. and a blade? that would put me in a year injail? with my family, i told them i was staying with a friend because my mum trusted me. sometimes i used to come back for like a couple of hours and then i would go back. but sometimes i would come back,
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probably go to school and do what i have to do. but then straightaway i would go back again. people were worried, actually. it would get to a point where i just disappeared. i thought i was slick enough to get away with it. but looking back on it now, i probably wouldn't have. but at the time i don't really think of it. i was thinking in the house no one will catch me. like at the time it was quick money. i never had any money. my background wasn't like as wealthy. you know, i had things i needed, not wanted. so all the things iwanted, yeah, but i wouldn't suggest doing it now, ever. it's not worth it, no. i just bought clothes. bought myself some new trainers and that. that's about it. i was young so i didn't really know what to do. i just wanted clothes,
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money and things like that. and did you everfeel like you are being exploited? then, no. but looking back at it now, yeah. definitely. that age i didn't really recognise the risks, do you know i mean? 0ther druggies bringing in other druggies. it could be any moment and they could take everything away from them. and in that situation what can you really do? they want to be touched by that needle. there is a time where obviously you do make a mistake, where you're there, you're kind of worried, you're paranoid. do you know what i mean? it can be a loss of money, a loss of whatever. but when that happens you have to stay. you got to make sure that you make that money
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back. there's a point that happened to me. you get beat up and sent back. like most of the time you get sent back. no one wanted to kill you because that says you're not making the money, like. i wouldn't do that now man. cos knowing what happens to like some weak kind of people, that can mess up their whole life. no. i don't want to do it ever again. once you do this kind of thing, like you can't be like, "yeah, i want to stop now." you have to finish what you started. do you know what i mean? i got nicked. they're still talking to me, they're trying to get at me and that. but i moved away from the area. so i think that helped me a lot to actually think about other things as well. and trying to make my life something else, not just being another number, do you know what i mean? it could have led to me getting arrested, me getting killed, me using a drug.
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it could have led to anything. so i felt lucky getting out when i could have. earlier, i spoke to kevin hyland — the government's anti—slavery commissioner. i asked him how big a problem county lines and cuckooing were. well what we are finding is that we are starting to discover this more and more each day. i think it is a serious issue for the united kingdom, where we have young children being used by organised criminals to traffic drugs or for sexual exploitation. we are starting to identify it, but i don't think we understand or are responding to the prevalence of this and we need to see more done. do prevalence of this and we need to see more done. do we prevalence of this and we need to see more done. do we have any idea of the scale of the problem and how many children are involved? well thatis many children are involved? well that is the issue. because we have not been looking at nit a collective way and looking at it for what it is, witch is serious —— which is
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serious crime. so we don't understand the scale. the issue of modern slavery we are starting to understand and this is a form of slavery. there could be many hundreds of county lines across the united kingdom. until we investigate them and the children who have been exploited are supported properly, we won't start to understand it in a way that can respond to the risks this creates. why hasn't it been looked at, is it because it is something new? partly it is something new? partly it is something new, but it has been going on for a long while and it has been ignored in as much as many of the young people who are exploit rd just seen as problem children and they turn up in other parts of the country from where they live, carrying drugs or involved in sexual exploitation and they're just seen as problem children, instead of being seen as part of the gangs tools. they're being used as a
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commodity to move drugs and when you think of it as a crime groupf commodity to move drugs and when you think of it as a crime group f you can get young people to move drugs, the chances of you getting caught are reduced. this is something that is making tens of millions for those who exploit children. some people may be thinking, young drugs traffickers should be treated as criminals not victims. what would you say? no, that is not looking at theish issue, we have young british nationals who are being groomed. we have young children and it is our responsibility tolike after those children —— to look after those children —— to look after those children who are being controlled by serious criminals to traffic drugs or other crime. it is our duty to look after the children and to
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actually pursue those who trade in suffering of young children. so we need to look at these children in the way that they need to be supported, the way they need to be diverted from these gangs and to ta ke diverted from these gangs and to take the fight to the criminals. where do you draw the line, where do they stop becoming vulnerable and become criminals? you have to look at each case and see if they have the real ability to buy the drugs. when they go somewhere else and they're trading drugs for someone else, what is the control measures over those individuals. the issue of modern slavery in the wider context is about people being used as a commodity and these are young people who are vulnerable in the first place, often they're in care, they haven't got families that support them or they haven't got the opportunities that many of us have. and then the criminals move in and groom them. once you meet these young people face to face and i
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have, and they come out of the other side, you realise for years we have been letting these people down. what is your response to a highly critical report out today which says police forces are failing to tackle modern slavery and trafficking, because the cases are too difficult and victims are unprotected, despite and victims are unprotected, despite a rise in cases and also that senior officers believe there is a lack of sympathy for victims. that s. that report is very critical, things have moved on somewhat. but because of theissues moved on somewhat. but because of the issues that we are seeing with this, the police and the agencies are not seeing it for what it is. we are not seeing it for what it is. we are not seeing victims supported, not seeing the criminals pursued. that report identifies the fact that this has been looked upon as some sort of issue, a marginalised issue thatis sort of issue, a marginalised issue that is something outside of the criminal justice system. that is something outside of the criminaljustice system. so it is the prejudices of police officers when it comes to the victim and
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their backgrounds. it is notjust their backgrounds. it is notjust the police, sometimes it is that, sometimes it is the lack of understanding and sometimes the services that are available to victims. in the wider issue of slavery, the support for victims has been insufficient to meet their needs. that is something i have been pushing for. even those that come forward , pushing for. even those that come forward, if you look at the over 3,000 cases last year we were only seeing one in four ever recorded as a crime and something i brought to the attention in my report was about how we needed to see more crimes and we did see an increase, because it was not even ending up in an investigation. so we need to see processes that are there for other crimes and other vulnerability and when we see that and the victims the supported and looked after notjust for the period the national referral mechanism says, that is the
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government—supported agencyings but if we see them supported until their recovery and we see the police pursue the criminals, we will see this report, the issues address. if it is just this report, the issues address. if it isjust a marginal this report, the issues address. if it is just a marginal issue we won't see them addressed. are there parallels with cases of child exploitation such as in rotherham, are these children being groomed in the same way but for drugs? are these children being groomed in the same way but for drugs7m are these children being groomed in the same way but for drugs? it is exactly the same. if we look at cases where there have been prosecutions, in northumbria, where we saw the high profile case, where the chief constable there dealt with as serious organised crime and got some criticism for the tactics he used, but he looked at it as serious organised crime and his aim was to protect the children and pursue the criminals. so i think we need to ta ke criminals. so i think we need to take that learning, from the child sexual exploitation and domestic violence, look at how long it took
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us to respond to that. and let's ta ke us to respond to that. and let's take that and not make the same mistake - miss - victims. if we start talking about this for what it is, it is serious org organised crime of abuse, let us forget about the immigration status, the arguments about race, let us look at this vulnerable people, they are being traded as a commodity and we are talking about children, and what we need do is see the police respond to that as serious organised
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crime. the other issues round the political arguments whether this is a race issue or not, we need to pursue the criminals no matter where they are from, the uk is taking leadership on the issue of modern slavery, it doesn't matter where they come from, whether they come from the uk or they come from somewhere else in the world, let us pursue them for what they are, criminals, let us look after the victims. what should police do if they come across a child who is caught selling drugs, hundreds of miles away from home, what should they do? they need to make sure that child is safe. at the moment are they communicating with where that child is from. you know, sometimes it is very plain, can that child organise that kind of activity, can a child say that it originates from london and ends up in yorkshire, can they raise that —— arrange that themselves, where would they have bought the drugs from. that is beyond their ability, so look at
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that, and then as the police, you make the decisions, you are the adults, you are the authorities and then work with you know, social service, child protection, look at the background of how that child got there, and then, see who is organising, organising it, work with the police force where that child is from, start to see if will is a picture, how many children are is turned up in your police force area, build a picture up that isn't relianten a child telling you the story, the police have got lots of technique, lots of methods, tactic, to gather evidence, when they deal with drug dealing for example, they don't have a victim. they need to start using the resources they have got and find out who is doing this, who is the mastermind behind it and prosecute them. we approached the home office for an interview but
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no—on was available. ministerfor crime, safeguarding and vulnerability, sarah newton, did give us this statement: and you can hear much more this story on file on 4 — tonight at 8 — on bbc radio 4. still to come. a report on how the government's scheme to help disabled people into work has been criticised as being unfit for purpose. we have been talking to sop of those who rely on programme. and we speak tojonathan cavendish whose father needed a breathing machine after contracting polio in the 50s, and went on to change the lives of disabled people around the world. jonathan has now produced a film bringing his father's time for the latest news — here's reeta. hospitals in england could carry out
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280,000 extra operations a year just by making better use of operating theatres. analysis by the regulator nhs improvement suggests more than twohours a day on average are lost because of late starts and other delays. police in england and wales have been accused of letting down victims of modern slavery at every stage — in a scathing report by the inspectorate of constabulary. the inspectorate found that cases had been closed without any enquiries being made, and in some instances detectives didn't speak to victims. police say they fully accept the recommendations in the report a british former assistant of harvey weinstein says she was paid £125,000 to keep quiet after accusing the movie mogul of sexual harassment. zelda perkins told the financial times she signed a non—disclosure agreement in 1998 after making the accusations. she said weinstein asked her to give him massages and tried to pull her into bed. weinstein has denied any allegations of non—consensual sex "unequivocally". that's a summary of
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the latest bbc news. here's some sport now withjessica. ronaldo has been crowned the greatest player in the world at the fifa best awards. he beat his great rival lionel messi of barcelona and psg's neymar to the trophy, in a ceremony in london. david unsworth is expected to take tempoarary charge of everton following ronald kooman's sacking. following ronald koeman's sacking. names in the frame to take the job permanently include carlo ancelotti and burnley‘s sean dyche. scotland flankerjohn hardie's suspension from edinburgh and scotland duty is because of alleged cocaine use, the bbc understands. he'll be out of scotland's squad for the autumn tests on tuesday. and rob greenwood, the coach accused of creating a "climate of fear" within the british para—swimming setup, has been given the "full support and backing" of the british swimming coaches association. more on all those stories just after
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ten. more on all those stories just after ten. plans have been announced for a special memorial service to commemorate the lives of the 80 people who died in the grenfell tower disaster. the service will take place exactly six months to the day at st paul's cathedral on 14th december. here to tell us more are shahin sadafi, a grenfell resident and survivor, and graham tomlin, the bishop of kensington. welcome both to the programme. i wa nt to welcome both to the programme. i want to come to you first, why did you decide collectively to hold a memorial service? good morning. the reason for holding the memorial service, it was first and foremost to bring some more attention in regards to the needs of the brave families and to remember the lives lost on the tragic day on 14thjune, u nfortu nately lost on the tragic day on 14thjune, unfortunately it was a devastating and traumatic event that took place,
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within this community, and it was an opportunity for us to gather the perked families and remember the lives of our friends, neighbours and family members that were lost on that day. graham, how will something like this, a memorial service help the survivors of the grenfell tower fire, the families of those lost come to terms with what happened? 0ur come to terms with what happened? our hope is by bringing the nation together, there will be a sense that those who have died have not been forgotten, that the nation gathers around those who have been bereaved and are continuing to struggle with all kinds of issues since the fire, and offer support. this is notjust and offer support. this is notjust a local event, although it has affected the local community massively but it is a national event so massively but it is a national event so it is vital we do that as a nation, the other thing is there is something about a cathedral when you cross the door, we are all the same, we are all the same before god, doesn't matter whether you are a the
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queen, the prime minister, a resident of kensington, our hope is this service will bring dignity to all those who are involved. will this be a multi—faith service?m will be held and hosted by st paul's cathedral so clearly it will be something which has a christian framework but one which has space for different faiths in it. we have been working with local faith leaders in the community ho are behind the venue and the concept of the service, we will be working on the service, we will be working on the content of the service over the coming weeks and months with the local community here, in mind, so it is something we hope that everyone of all faiths and none can take part in and feel they have a stake in it. are you hoping to feed into that process along with other people from the community? absolutely. when graham first approached grenfell united and myself to make sure that
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we first looked at the needs and viewpoints of the bereaved families, and then obviously the survivors of the tower, so what we will be doing, we have done already and what we will continue to do is make sure we set up sort of meetings, and opportunities for the local community, the bereaved families and the survive, to be able to feedback into us and st paul's in regards to what they would like the see and have in the memorial service. thank you both very much forjoining us this morning. coming up. . the story of a man who fought for a life outside hospital after being tethered to breathing equipment in the 19505 — brought to life on screen by his son. disability campaigners have criticised a key government scheme which helps deaf and disabled people in the workplace as not fit for purpose. the scheme provides support for deaf and disabled people beyond what employers are obliged to do by law. but a new report seen by this programme says access to work — once hailed as the most successful programme of its type — is beset by errors, delays and is being hit by a government drive to bear down on costs.
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campaigners are calling on ministers to "restore and refit" the programme, which they say should be the cornerstone of the government's drive to get one million more disabled people into work. just last month charities warned that more disabled people were leaving the workplace than joining. we've been to talk to some of those who rely on what was once called, i'm a human b ijust don't understand how or why they think we area understand how or why they think we are a problem. the thought of having to cut my hourers, i could feel, me
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janet shrinking, because this small person and feeling quite terrified. panic i was being abandoned. she had been there for a few months then it was ending next weeklj been there for a few months then it was ending next week i was going to different workplaces and seeing people at the end of their tenter, not knowing what do because their access to work support was being cut. it supporting deaf and disabled people at work, a new report claims it is no longer fit for purpose. it points to unacceptably poor customer service, shocking levels of delay, error, and a damaging drive to bear down on costs. access to work was always described by deaf and disabled people as the government's best kept secret. when access to working tax credits it works really well, it enables us not just to getjobs gou have a choice ofjobs, to go into the same range ofjobs, to go into the same range of professions as non—disabled
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people. so there will be different support provided, that could be a sign language interpreter, it could be ongoing support needs for a person with a learning difficulty, to be able to understand written information that comes to them, it could be support for someone with a physical impairment if they need to go to meetings and carry thing, it could be support with travel costs if you are not able to travel independently. from 2014 we noticed changes coming in. they weren't announced but there we re in. they weren't announced but there were changes that were impacting on the way people were receiving their support, from access to work, so more frequent review, people being denied support, more often than not. people being told by their advisers they needed to reduce the amount of support they were getting, there was a noticeable increase in hostile attitudes from advisers so accusations that people were a burden on the taxpayer, and the level of errors that we are seeing
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as making the scheme unworkable for people. my name is gerald dine, my sign name is geraldine. i am a project manager. every time i receive a brown envelope, i get nervous. my budget has been cut twice this year. and only because of administrative errors, the administration the syste m errors, the administration the system doesn't work for deaf and disled people how important is it to work? it is an interesting question! because when i look back, over my working life, i started, i left school, in the early 770s where we never had interpreters there and life was really difficult. now i am in control, i have had a good career, i have been a director of an
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organisation, i have managed big budget, i worked for health and social services, i'm a project manager now. and it has given me a career, it has given meaning to my life. it is such an important resource and it has meant i can face the world with pride and respect for myself as well. the government say they would want more people to be in your position and bearing down on costs so they can bring it to more people and let more people do what you have done. that is a reasonable thing to do isn't it isn't i don't think it is up isn't it isn't i don't think it is up to tella isn't it isn't i don't think it is up to tell a disabled or deaf people you need this support. how do they know? we are the experts of our impairment. we know what we need to do ourjobs well, the resource is brilliant, when it works well, it is
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brilliant. ijust want brilliant. i just want the brilliant. ijust want the system to be better. urnt currently ijust want the system to be better. u rnt currently access ijust want the system to be better. urnt currently access is awarded to individuals, for a time limited period of six months, the problem with that is that many people their support needs are not simply going to go away, after six month, they are going to continue. i'm jeweljulia. julia has aspergers syndrome and anxiety disorder. what it is like being in a work place with your condition? when nothing obviously has gone wrong, you can go from being completely calm and happy to being just unable to function within minutes. i use the word "word blindness", because i was looking at a document and i was in panic mode,
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i could see the word, i had the ability to read, but panic meant i couldn't read it. the frustration of knowing that you're capable of doing so much more, because i had done highly responsiblejobs so much more, because i had done highly responsible jobs in so much more, because i had done highly responsiblejobs in my previousjob. i highly responsiblejobs in my previous job. i couldn't highly responsiblejobs in my previousjob. i couldn't understand why i had this mental block on doing simple tasks. i realised it was to do with the aspergers, because i couldn't see the big picture. the support from access to work enabled me to continue throughout many periods when without the support i probably would have to just... there was a couple of points where i would have just have had to walk out and say, i can't do this any more. last junejulia say, i can't do this any more. last june julia was say, i can't do this any more. last junejulia was told the support was ended and she had a heart attack the next day. did you feel when you
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heard the support was ending? panic, that i was being abandoned, it was a feeling that she'd been there for a few months and suddenly it was like the support is ending next week. when i look at the amount of things i was trying to do within a short period of time, i was a heart attack waiting to happen. investing access to work has wider societal benefits and there has never been an upper limit on the budget that has been set. disabled people are confused about this idea
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of advisors contacting them and telling them that they need to reduce the amount of support that they're receiving. i'mjenny, i'm i'm jenny, i'm a i'mjenny, i'm a director and executive of grey eye theatre. i have learned my trade and how to copein have learned my trade and how to cope in big meetings. so without all of that, my confidence to become the deaf woman iam, the confidence to become the deaf woman i am, the director i am, i would never have thought to say, i want to be the codirector of the paralympic opening ceremony. it gave me the confidence to do that. it is vital. i think for the importance of ceremony, many deaf were involved,
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many deaf, disabled people, all with support, full support from access to work, that is the time when they we re work, that is the time when they were awesome and some of the access to work people came to watch rehearsals and met the deaf people that were benefitting from the money. so it felt... really, really linked and aware and an understanding and then when he were all like, we were rocking, we have done it. then gone. the cap means literally half of my hours gone. after 2012, going from 35 hours a week, they said i could have 72 hours a month. a massive reduction. it is my right—to—work full—time. and having to cut my
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hours, i could feel me, jenny, shrinking, becausing this small person, feeling quite terrified about what my future is. i can't believe it is going to happen. so i can't think beyond april, because it makes me feel quite sick. i have thought what am i going to do. government say the changes and the cap is about widening the reach of the scheme to enable more people like yourself to achieve the things that you have achieved. that is bleep. i know you can't say that. what we are seeing is people who receive small amounts of support are still having their hours cut and it seems to be driven by an ideology that people shouldn't depend for support and they need to reduce support and they need to reduce support at all costs. i'm nicky and
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i'm a sign language interpreter. access to work is one of most important scheme, because it allows deaf and disabled people to smash through the glass ceiling. before there was not deaf professionals in any kind of job there was not deaf professionals in any kind ofjob you can imagine. they were limited in what they could do. peoplejust they were limited in what they could do. people just want to be able to do. people just want to be able to do theirjobs. and theyjust... feel like they're doing something wrong. like you're asking for a favour, would you mind giving me some money for support. they would say they have a pledge to half the employment gap between disabled and non—disabled people. the changes to access to work are about closing that gap and getting a million more disabled people into work. well, i hope they will have one more million people into work, deaf and disabled
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people, but we all need the full amount of access and independence to get to work. of course we want to work. there is a myth that deaf and disabled people don't want to work. we do. we really, really do and my god we are good. through education we have the best, so there is a real... you know hunger to be there. but the government need to realise that they still have to pay to support our access. they do. and i'm sorry, where some of the other money goes“ sorry, where some of the other money goes... put that money writ really matters. the department for work and pensions didn't have a minister available to talk to us but the department told us: in one of the most moving roles of his career,
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andrew garfield plays robin cavendish, a man who was paralysed from the neck down in 1958, but refused to live out his days in an iron lung in hospital. with the love and support of his wife diana, played by claire foy, robin broke free and changed not only his life, but that of disabled people around the world forever. their real story has been brought to the big screen by their son jonathan who is the film's producer. i'll be speaking tojonathan and diana in a moment, but first let's take a look at a scene wherejonathan — as a little boy — is introduced to his father at home after he leaves hospital. how do you feel? much better. what happens if there is a power cut? you work it with a hand pump. it's a nifty bit of kit.
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look who's here. oh, look. there you go. jonathan? it's daddy. hello, jonathan. hello, dear boy. sadly robin died in 1994 before the film was made, but i'm pleased to sayjonathan and diana are with me now. you were watching that clip with me. how does it feel to watch yourself, asa how does it feel to watch yourself, as a baby, meeting your father for the first time? well, it is a slightly strange thing. in this clip here in the film, my father's just
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broken out of hospital with my mother. because he didn't want to live the rest of his life lying down in bed in a hospital. he wanted to live free. when he was in hospital for the first year or so after he got pel polio, he was depressed and he didn't want to see me as a baby. asa he didn't want to see me as a baby. as a reminder of what he might have lost. did you wander why he was older. he had seen me, but not wa nted older. he had seen me, but not wanted to connect. this was the first time he had really connected with me. 0ut first time he had really connected with me. out of hospital, living free with my mother and about to have an amazing life. that must be difficult for you to know and to hear about later on? not at all difficult, because what my parents fashioned was this extraordinary joyous, wonderful existence that i was a part of, i tagged alongside it and we had a wonderful time. it was very funny and my father was two
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minutes from death at any time, because he relied on a breathing machine. but as a child, i never realised that, because my parents dealt with it so elegantly. what was that moment like, it sounds dramatic, having to break out of the hospital? well, i mean the point was they didn't want robin to go, because they liked people, they said, we do not know what the long—term effect of operation is and robin said i would rather die out of hospital than stay here for the rest of my life. and he was right of course. and the... did you resist at any point? no. no, what was the point? you could see he didn't want, it would have been ridiculous. no life at all. i suppose looking back on it life at all. i suppose looking back oniti life at all. i suppose looking back on it i suppose it was quite adventurous, i am on it i suppose it was quite adventurous, lam not on it i suppose it was quite adventurous, i am not sure we thought like that at the time. but
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we had a lot of help from friends and family and actually we stole one or two of the nurses from the hospital! they were not very pleased! it is an extraordinary story. why did you decide to bring your father's story to the big screen? i'm a film producer and i'm a lwa ys screen? i'm a film producer and i'm always looking for stories, but it took me time to realise i was sitting on this amazing story. the reason for the telling it was first of all i work with a great writer bill nichol and a great director and this amazing cast. so we could be accurate about the life that was led. because i was there and there are led. because i was there and there a re lots of led. because i was there and there are lots of lines of dialogue that i remember being spoken or were handed down. such as when my parents did break out of hospital, the co nsulta nt break out of hospital, the consultant looking after them shouted after them, you will be dead in two weeks. that is what my pa rents told in two weeks. that is what my parents told me. i wanted to make a
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film about how you can laugh disaster in the face and joer come difficulties —— overcome difficulties —— overcome difficulties and my parents and this willem bar —— will embarrass my mother, it was a great love story. they set up an independent life and helped others do the same. robin changed the rights of disabled people forever. how concerned were you about authenticity when it comes to telling a real story? very concerned, so everything in the film happened. a lot of the dialogue was dialogue spoken. but it is, it is a very funny film, there is a huge amount of comedy in it. my memory of my parents‘ life and my life with them and their friends was a
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co nsta nt them and their friends was a constant adventure. my father's enemy was boredom. there was no internet, no television and he created tasks and project and they would travel all over the place. he had a van adapted so he could travel. we went to spain and broke down there and for 36 hours while the inventor of the machine rebuilt a breathing machine back in london, we sat hand pumping my father. i can remember my mother saying you must not fall asleep. it was very funny and people came from the village and gave us food. but the whole thing was an adventure and fun and amazing to be part of. how big a role did you have in casting. claire foy plays you. i had no role. you didn't get a say on who plays you? i'm
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happy, because andrew is brilliant and claire is wonderful and i mean i don't know whether she is like me, but she is marvellous. she is very like you! and andrew and claire took so like you! and andrew and claire took so much trouble and you know i met up so much trouble and you know i met up with them beforehand and told them the story about andrew ringing you up. 123450 bit by lit learned more. three weeks before we started filming i got a phone call, picked up filming i got a phone call, picked upa filming i got a phone call, picked up a message from my dead father, talking to me exactly as he would, andi talking to me exactly as he would, and i was in shock, at the end of it andrew's voice said who is the voice doing, how am i getting on? by the end, it is not on an extraordinary performance, he takes on the personality and the spirit and the voice and look of my father in an
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amazing way. when is the film out? this friday in cinemas near you. thank you for talking to us. breaking news just in, thank you for talking to us. breaking newsjust in, it thank you for talking to us. breaking news just in, it has just been confirmed a british man has been confirmed a british man has been killed in syria, while clearing landmines in raqqa, jack holmes within an it worker who left the uk and joined the main kurdish force fighting so—called islamic state. let us get the latest weather update with carol. this morning we have seen a lot of cloud, some mist, fog round, murky conditions and rain and the rain currently across wales and north—west england pushing over towards the wash and norfolk through the course of the day. it will clear cumbria. the rain in scotland and northern ireland will clear, leaving sunny spells and few showers and in southern county, although it's a murky start it's a mild one, what we will find it is brighten up. any sunshine will be a premium. we
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continue with the rain, edging from the west towards the east, a lot of showers across scotland. 0nce the west towards the east, a lot of showers across scotland. once again, like the nightjust gone, it is going to be a mild one with temperatures not falling lower than nine or 13 degrees defending on which part of the country you are. tomorrow it sinks southwards. murky in the south—west, but behind it, it will brighten up nicely and for many of us tomorrow, we will see a lot of sunshine, but still, a peppering of showers in the north and the west. temperatures still hiring than they should be in october, we are looking at 11 to 18. it cools down as we head through friday and into the weekend. hello, these exploiters have more control
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of your own children than you do, to the point where you become the outsiders, and children view them as the family. we'll also hear from those who are involved in tackling the problem at the grassroots level. campaigners have told us that disabled people are losing out on jobs because a government scheme to help them into work is not fit for purpose — we've been talking to some of those who rely on the programme. the thought of having to cut my hours, i could feel me, janet, shrinking, becoming a small person and feeling quite terrified about what my future is. have you applied for access to work what was your experience? let us know in the usual ways. and the supreme court will consider whether northern ireland law breaches women's rights by not allowing abortions in cases of sexual crime and fatal foetal abnormalities. good morning.
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here's reeta in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. police in england and wales have been accused of letting down victims of modern slavery at every stage — in a scathing report by the inspectorate of constabulary. the inspectorate found that cases had been closed without any enquiries being made, and in some instances detectives didn't speak to victims. police say they fully accept the recommendations in the report the police have got lots of techniques, lots of methods, lots of tactics to gather evidence. when they deal with drug dealing, for example, they don't have a victim. they need to start using the resources they have got and find out who's doing this, who is the master mind behind it and then prosecute them. in a few minutes time, we'll be hearing from some of those involved in the fight against modern slavery including a former gang member and the police.
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hospitals in england could carry out 280,000 extra operations a year just by making better use of operating theatres. analysis by the watchdog nhs improvement, due out later this week, suggests that an average of 2 hours a day are lost in operating theatres because of late starts and other delays. here's our health editor, hugh pym. the european council president, donald tusk, has urged the remaining eu member countries to stick together as negotiations with britain continue. if we fail it the negotiations will end in our defeat. we must keep our unity regardless on the direct hundred of the talk, the eu will be able to rise to every scenario as long as we are not divided. it is in fa ct
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long as we are not divided. it is in fact up to london how this will end, with a good deal, no deal, or no brexit. but in each of these scenarios, we will protect our common interest only be being together. a british man has been killed while clearing landmines in raqqa. jack holmes had been fighting with the kurdish militia the ypg since 2015. kurdish militia the ypg since 2015. kurdish representatives in the uk said they had been told by ypg officials that the former it workers was killed while he was clearing an area of landmines to make it safe for civilians. a 53—year old man is due in court today charged in connection with an armed siege that lasted 4 hours at a bowling alley in nuneaton in warwickshire on sunday. david clark is charged with false imprisonment, criminal damage, and possessing a blade and an imitation firearm. a british former assistant
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of harvey weinstein says she was paid £125,000 to keep quiet after accusing the movie mogul of sexual harassment. zelda perkins told the financial times she signed a non—disclosure agreement in 1998 after making the accusations. she said weinstein asked her to give him massages and tried to pull her into bed. weinstein has denied any allegations of non—consensual sex "unequivocally". disability campaigners have criticised a key government scheme which helps deaf and disabled people in the workplace as not fit for purpose. the scheme provides support for people with disabilities beyond what employers are obliged to do by law. but a new report seen by this programme says access to work — once hailed as the most successful programme of its type — is beset by errors, delays and is being hit by a government drive to bear down on costs. the government says it's "committed to supporting disabled people to get into employment or keep theirjobs". and some of those who use the access to work scheme will be telling us about their experiences a little later on — that's at around 10.30 this morning.
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that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. here's some sport now withjessica. breaking news, stuart bingham the 2015 world snooker champion has been banned for six months for breaching the wwsa betting rules. three months and one day will be suspended if he complies with any treatment recommended to him, for his gambling, and if he commits no further rule breach, bingham still has the option to appeal but he will miss the three most lucrative tournaments outside of the world championship. tournaments outside of the world championship. ronaldo has been crowned the greatest footballer of the year, at the 2017 best fifa awards in london. his real madrid coach zinedine zidane was named best coach too. ronaldo beat lionel messi of barcelona and psg's
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neymar to the honour, after helping real to a champions league and la liga double last season. leeka martens of barcelona and the netherlands won best female player. lieke martens of barcelona and the netherlands won best female player. she was player of the tournament at euro 2017 this summer, as her country won the title. her manager sarina veegman was named ‘best female coach'. david unsworth will take temporary charge of everton, following the sacking of ronald koeman yesterday. unsworth will lead the team their league cup game tomorrow against chelsea. names in the frame to take the job permanently are david moyes, who enjoyed a successful spell at the club, had a tough time with other teams since leaving including that premier league relegation with sunderland. sean dyche is also in the running. he's done a brilliantjob at burnley to keep them in the premier league and they've had a good start to the season. sam alladyce, granted he lastjust one game as england manager, he is know for getting teams out of sticky situations, although currently in retirement since quitting crystal palace four months ago. and carlo ancelotti,
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the biggest name linked to this job, three—times champions league winner, he is free after leaving bayern munich. whoever takes charge, they'll have some serious work to do, with everton bottom of their group in the europa league, bottom three in the premier league and without a win in five games. rob greenwood, the coach accused of creating a "climate of fear" within the british para—swimming setup, has been given the "full support and backing" of the british swimming coaches association. this comes despite british swimming issuing an apology to athletes and admitting some of their swimmers needed counselling after being "visibly distressed" recounting their experiences. greenwood resigned from his position before the investigation began and is yet to comment publicly about the findings. england forward sam burgess says the squad for the 2017 world cup has more "x factor" than the team that got to the semi—finals four years ago. england play their first match
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against holders australia in melbourne on friday. burgess also said that rob andrew doesn't know the full story about his role at the 2015 rugby union world cup, for which he was heavily criticised. the rfu's former director of professional rugby called his call—up an "almighty blunder." rob went round the camp. he didn't see the work i had put in, he didn't see the work i had put in, he didn't see how i contributed to the squad, he didn't see how i hard i worked, whatsoever, he is not in the trench, he doesn't see what happened. i disagree with him. i am proud of my performance for england, what i contributed to the team. unfort theyly the results didn't go as we planned. he is entitled to his opinion and he is trying to sell his book, so fair play to him. that is all the sport for now.
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a leading charity says thousands of kids from london are being trafficked around the country by gangs to sell drugs. the modern slavery commissioner says the stats are shocking and they are only starting to get to grips with it now. the police call this ‘county lines‘ — and it's sometimes known as ‘cuckooing‘ — because the teenagers travel from inner city areas across county lines to other towns to sell the drugs, often from the home of a vulnerable drug user. last year, the national crime agency described it as a "national problem", with around 70% of forces reporting they were dealing with these kinds of cases. yesterday, chloe tilley spoke to the mum of one boy who was groomed by gangs in his early teens. we‘ve protected her identity because her son is still at risk. when did you notice things were going wrong for your son? roughly, aren‘t year eight. a year after
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starting secondary school. just changes in behaviour. very extreme changes, and a lot of it, you can expect to happen round that age. but this was something that was quite stark, and it was, it wasn‘t gradual. a real personality transformation, quite quickly. using real course language and kiss playing real bad anger —— displaying real bad anger issues and there was no reason for it, so it was all very difficult to deal with. it was almost like it wasn‘t your own son. it was a little bit later on that he started to go missing. yes. there was about 18 months of activity, which was very out of character.
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behavioural indicators that were not quite right, and he then went missing. the first episode was for a substantial number of days, totally out of the blue. and he came home of his own accord? no, he was found by police and we were told that he had been groomed by a gang that were well—known to police for extreme violence during the missing episode, which obviously was just jaw—dropping a as parent, to have to hear those words. because you are not expecting anything like that to be the cause of all those behaviours, all the missing episode, and that takes quite a lot of getting used to, to hear your son‘s name being mentioned around that sort of setting. it, it is a really bizarre thing to get your head round, really the trouble started
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after the missing episode because they were still ongoing suspicions, around his activities an behaviour, in other words, it didn‘t stop, after the initial missing episode. there were suspicious activity, or mobile phones, things that went missing from the house. you know, presence of things in a school bag you wouldn‘t associate with a child. like what? digital scales for weighing out drugs and it was clear, despite that horrific missing episode when weer with told what was going on, we were were to all intents an purposes left to it. he was give an youth worker, but if you‘re a groomed or exploited child, then it‘s clear that intervention is it not going to succeed. and it didn‘t succeed. he promptly refused
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to engage with them and it is now clear that is a common feature of cou nty clear that is a common feature of county lines exploitation. the children are taught, influenced to hate police and authority figures. so you‘re not going to be answerable to engage with them. they have almost been taken over mentally. i use the word brainwash, because that is how it looks. they have these... exploiters have more control over your own children than you do. to the point where you become the outsiders and the children view them as the family. we then moved on to a nine—month spell, continuous of missing episodes on a daily basis. that was roughly just shy of 200 odd missing episodes and it‘s very
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difficult to explain to somebody what that looks like in reality. because you have the police camped in your house, but life is going on at the same time. you know, looking back now, there should have been more support than there was, but it‘s not not even as if that wasn‘t made known to the agencies at the time. there was a lack of recognition that he was involved in gangs. 0r recognition that he was involved in gangs. or that he‘d been exploited. what effect did it have on you and yourfamily? what effect did it have on you and your family? it is difficult, because the nature of the missing episodes being as they were, for hours and hours, and sometimes going into two days, you just don‘t sleep you know? because you have got contact with the police throughout the night. whilst he has gone missing you‘re going to get the call
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to say that he has been stabbed or killed in some sort of altercation. so it is a different alien world, because whilst you‘re sitting in in the late hours waiting, you‘re com pletely the late hours waiting, you‘re completely aware that the world that he is mixing in isn‘t the same one as you‘re sitting in. he is mixing in isn‘t the same one as you're sitting in. let's talk about the interventions, what could have been done differently? so many things could have been done differently. my son divulged to a profebgssal fessional that he was in contact with a 27—year—old male. but nothing was done. that was at the start of the professional intervention. we thought that someone would be at our door to gain more information about that statement. nothing happened. you know, if you have got one family who is making phone calls five days in a row, that is excessive. when you have got somebody doing it for nine
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months, it isjust have got somebody doing it for nine months, it is just inexcusable. somebody should have got in touch with us and said, what‘s going on here? how can we help so you‘re not having to do this every day? for any pa rent having to do this every day? for any parent watching, who might be concerned about their own children, what would you say? trust your instincts. know your child. most pa rents instincts. know your child. most parents know when there is something wrong. that is why they‘re thinking something is not right, because they have noticed a change. i would say go with your gut instinct. how is your son now? he is on a slightly different more positive trajectory, but it has come after a long time and we have still got a lot of work to do and we have still got a lot of time to catch up and we still don‘t know what the future‘s going to look like for him. i‘ve had to work
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really ha rd personally like for him. i‘ve had to work really hard personally to achieve what we have got now and it shouldn‘t be down to the parent to do that. it should be down to the professionals. u nfortu nately do that. it should be down to the professionals. unfortunately with my situation, it was very close that the experts on country lines were not the professionals. we can chat about this more now with junior smart, a former gang member who now works for st giles trust — which helps people leave gangs — and is one of the charities that has won funding from the home office today. joe caluori, the islington councillor responsible for child safeguarding and who recently led a cross party group of mps who met the home office minister responsible for vulnerability and safeguarding. and chief superintendent, jennifer eves, from suffolk police. how big a problem this is, county lines, cuckooing, in islington? we have found 75 young people involved
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in this. we are not a big area and so it is likely there are other local authorities where there are far more young people involved. there could be thousands of young people involved in this. how worrying is that for you and is this something that is new? it is not new, it has been going on for about 20 year, but it has just become visible. we are told we have to safeguard children and we want to do that, but we don‘t have to tools to do that, because we can‘t work cross boundary with every local authority and police force where young people may be, without leadership from national level and a national strategy i don‘t think we are going to get to grip with this on our own. you had a meeting at the home office with other councillors about trying to develop a national strategy, because it does involve people travelling to different parts of the country to sell drugs. how did that go? not as well as i would have
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liked it. the minister will not introduce a national strategy and believes we should do things in other ways. i argued that i think because this is a national problem it needs a national solution and without that leadership, if we become effective at working in some areas, the gangs will move elsewhere. the reason they started doing this was they knew services we re doing this was they knew services were bad at working with each other. so without that national response we can‘t do it and i urge the minister to think again. gina, we don't know the true scale of the problem, but the true scale of the problem, but the charities for london estimate about 4,000 children in london could be victims of this. how do children get involved in the first place? there is many different ways. quite commonly people like too think this is the deprived communities, sink estates, but i have received many phone calls like the mother we have
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heard from and from dual part households — — parent heard from and from dual part households —— parent households, the criminality attaches itself to what ever is missing from that person's family. one kid was getting good pocket money, but he wanted to be that guy. you can point the finger at messages on social media, the videos that glamorise the lifestyle. be but the reality is anything but that. does a young person know they're being exploiteded when you end up in scare situations with drugs you're often in a crack house or in drugs you're often in a crack house orina drugs you're often in a crack house or in a property and actually you're in an area you don't know anybody. the young people tell us the reality is sairy. -- scary. it can affect not only deprived children, but
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middle class kids. what are the signs, how do these gangs lure children in to the point where they don‘t realise it is happen something well from a parent, from they're saying is they see drastic changes in the child's behaviour, new possessions, additional mobile phones, things they can't account for. the young people say they're looking for escapism and it depends what that young person wants or needs, if it is respect, the group tends to provide, if it is finance. to deal with with this requires a joined up approach across all the services, police, probation and charities, but it requires that organisations to communicate with each other. we are lucky the work we do in schools with st giles trust provides that consistent one—to—one
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support and we have that cultural currency, we know what the reality is. young people tend to trust us. now let‘s get the police perspective. how big a problem is this for you, where you are? yes this for you, where you are? yes this is a big problem that we are dealing w it is something we are familiar with over a number of years sadly. the reports you have heard are shocking for people to hear. but it is something that day in, day out any officers are dealing as they are trying to deal with the problems of drug abuse. there is a highly critical report which says that police forces are failing to tackle modern slavery and fail being victims at every level and officers believe the public lack of simp thif for victim —— sympathy for victims is partly to blame. how do you respond to that? the report today is
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something that we as a police service need to respond to and look at how we can develop and improve. however, by way of reassurance it is fundamental that our staff do put victims at the heart of everything that we do. it is key to us in suffolk here in terms of our policing style and response. the report that you‘re talking about refers to modern day slavery, but as you will be aware there is a range of tactics that we use as a police service to tackle the problem around cou nty service to tackle the problem around county lines and vulnerability and the use of modern day slavery legislation is just one of those. the use of modern day slavery legislation isjust one of those.|j wa nt to legislation isjust one of those.|j want to come back to you, what ages are we talking about here? is this just children, is it adults? by the nature, we are talking about children and i see every one of those as children with real hopes and aspirations, but just those as children with real hopes and aspirations, butjust going about it in the wrong way. the youngest on our case load is 11 and
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thatis youngest on our case load is 11 and that is a young person that has been caught up with it and i believe that crucial recruitment age we are looking at happens between primary and secondary school, is the first point of entrapment by the young people. and you know, it is not, what is a shame about this, it is not the lack of will, but it is that it requires intensive work. this is intensive work that requires long—term funding to do the work properly. and frequently we come across agencies that just don't know enough about the reality of gangs, enough about the reality of gangs, enough about the reality of gangs, enough about how these criminal operations work and so what you tend to find is they're giving piece meal help. but that needs to be tailor made and ongoing. thank you for speaking us to today. and you can hear much more this
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story on file on 4 — tonight at 8 — on bbc radio 4. we approached the home office for an interview but no one was available. ministerfor crime, safeguarding and vulnerability, sarah newton, did give us this statement: we have passed legislation, allowing the police to crackdown on drug dealing gangs. it sends a message we will not tolerate this criminal activity. still to come: an assistant to harvey weinstein said she was paid to keep quiet about a sexual assault. disability campaigners have criticised a key government scheme which helps deaf and disabled people in the workplace as not fit for purpose. the scheme provides support for deaf and disabled people beyond what employers are obliged to do by law. but a new report seen by this
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programme says access to work — once hailed as the most successful programme of its type — is beset by errors, delays and is being hit by a government drive to bear down on costs. campaigners are calling on ministers to "restore and refit" the programme, which they say should be one million more disabled people into work. just last month charities warned that more disabled people were leaving work than joining. we‘ve been to talk to some of those who rely on what was once called "the government‘s best kept secret". this is thejenny‘s story. this is the jenny's story. my names jenny, i‘m the artistic director and chief executive of grey eyes theatre. because i have had access to work, i have learned my trade and how to cope in big meetings.
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i would never have thought to say i wa nt to i would never have thought to say i want to be the co—artist director of the par paralympic 0pening want to be the co—artist director of the par paralympic opening ceremony. it gays me that confidence to do that. it is vital i think for the importance of the ceremony. many deaf were involved. many deaf disabled people, all with support, full support from access to work, thatis full support from access to work, that is the time when they were awesome and some of the access to work people, they came the watch rehearsal, they met the deaf people that were benefitting from the money, so it felt, really really linked and aware of the understanding, when we were all like, we‘re rocking, we‘ve done it.
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boof, gone. from aprilthe like, we‘re rocking, we‘ve done it. boof, gone. from april the am of help will be capped for all users at 1.5times the help will be capped for all users at 1.5 times the average salary. the cap means literally half of my hour, boof, after 2012 going from 35 hours a week, they said i could have 72 hours a month, that is a massive reduction, it is my right to work full—time. the thought of having to cut my hour, i could feel, me, jenny shrinking, become this small person and feeling quite terrified about what my future is. i can‘t believe it is going to happen, so i can‘t think beyond april because it makes me feel quite sick, you know, and i have a, i thought what am i going to do? have a, i thought what am i going to do? let‘s talk now to miro griffiths — government advisor on disability issues who uses access to work.
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we can also speak to david buxton — chief executive of action on disability. adrian bailey is here as his interpreter. penny pepper is a writer and john kelly is a self—employed musician who both use access to work. do? thank you forjoining the programme today. david, iwant thank you forjoining the programme today. david, i want to come to you first of all, the government says the scheme is tailored to individuals‘ needs and can include travel to work, support workers and specialist equipment, but are people struggling to gain access to everything that is on off to them? yes e certainly the situation now is very different from twenty years ago when i first started using access to work. i was able to have full access and able to progress from entry level position to chief executive officer, which is remarkable. these cuts are causing a lack of understanding, a lack of knowledge
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of what is to come. now i face a restriction of three days of access to work support which means i don‘t know if i am going to be stable in myjob. the government ministers, if we imagine, if we say that the government ministers who are negotiating with foreign governments say over brexit, had to have restrictions on their foreign language translation, and interpretation in dealing with foreign government, surely that would have a negative impact on our relations initially. that would be a similar example for what we are going through as deaf and disabled people, having this support removed is having a negative impact on our work through no fault of our own. is having a negative impact on our work through no fault of our ownm report suggests access to work is creating problems that disproportionately affect deaf people. can you explain to us what they are? translation: yes, so there is two
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areas, so, firstly, people who require high levels of support like myself, are affected by the cap and 90% of those people affected by the cap are deaf people, so, that means access to support is significantly reduced, the government is talking about widening the scheme to have as many deaf and disabled people who require the support to have access to out, which is clearly very welcome, but, even those from the deaf and disabled people we are speaking to, say that they are negatively being impacted by the levels 06 support which means this is highly discriminateliry. you recently finished writing a book but it almost didn‘t happen because of issues penny. what were the problems you faced? well i thought this was would give context to of the issues to access to work, this happened
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because of it but despite is. i could not have written this book, which was published in september, so it isa which was published in september, so it is a lovely new baby, i am very proud of it but every step of the way with access to work, it is fraught with incompetence, loss of paperwork, loss of named support on theirend, you get paperwork, loss of named support on their end, you get a different person each time, there is also the culture now seeping into access to work of you asking for something that isn't genuine, it feeds into the scrounger attitude that you so often, is thrown at disabled people, ican often, is thrown at disabled people, i can say when it began, i have been an activist for 30 year, which is partly detailed in my book, but we thought it was going to be a wonderful thing, and we have to ask the government do they want us to
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work? they do, the government says they are trying to get a million more people into work, and they are... it won‘t happen‘s they are spending no that are... it is available to people who need support. this may then help more people instead of being able to give more money to individuals if you see what i mean. what do you think about that? is it better, to help a larger number of people. translation: there is no evidence to suggest that would be the case. what we need to do is get away from the rhetoric that the government co nsta ntly rhetoric that the government constantly spouts out, and look at the reality of every disabled person‘s lived experience, you know, this is a scary time because we have already seen them tinkering round with things like the independent living fund to the point where they close it. dla and pip we know that that, the cumulative effect of the changes that are happening to disabled people are slowly taking
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away all the building blocks we need to be able to contribute and participate to society, so the rhetoric the government is spouting out, is just not the reality, rhetoric the government is spouting out, isjust not the reality, you know i have been using access to work for the last ten years and i have seen just this terrible, terrible increase in the bureaucracy, the misunderstanding, the inaccuracy. in that time, it would be interesting to know what has changed practically on a day to level for you. it has move to being a system that supports you in work, toa a system that supports you in work, to a system where you have to justify every single thing you do, and actually, if you don‘t give them the right answer, sorry i have had an example where they said we think there is a cheaper taxi company that can get you to yourjob, you will have to use this one, then when we used that taxi company they didn‘t have any wheelchair accessible taxi,
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disabled people know best who their needs are and you have probably worked out the best and cheapest wa nt toy worked out the best and cheapest want toy do it. so the reality is, that, that this is a cut and britain needs to work up and rise against these kinds of changes that are taking on the fabric of society that isn‘t supporting disabled people. taking on the fabric of society that isn't supporting disabled people.|j wa nt to isn't supporting disabled people.|j want to get a quick word from mira as well. you are a government adviser to the department for work and pension, you say they are committed to supporting disabled people to get into employment, would you say that is accurate? no, i wouldn‘t. i think what we are seeing isa wouldn‘t. i think what we are seeing is a reinforcement of this narrative of people being deserving is of support and people being undeserving is. it goes along with the political ideology of government which states that the support will be reduced over time and people should get on with it. if we want to commit to
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people being valued members of the community and society, then it requires an effective support scheme, which is funded but which is also run by and afforded people, it will require people have more of a voice and a presence within those discussions. have you been approached by the department for work and pensions? for this scheme? no, i haven‘t. not forsome time now, as an access to work user, who has, i would echo what penny and john say which is over time i have seen the scrutiny increase, the emphasis on medical labels, on medical diagnosis to justify support hand is never what access to work was about. i suppose my recommendations for the dwp and government would be release the statistics which show how many people have had their support cut after being reassessed which i don‘t think is out there, and opposition parties need to demand that as. we i
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also think that the government needs to recognise what the un crpd committee said when they said they recognise the support systems are causing human catastrophe. i also think people need to be in positions of political power, and need to have a political voice in order to run and develop and design access to work. 0k. thank you all for. coming in today. department for work and pensions didn‘t have a minister available to talk to us but said stuart bingham — the 2015 world snooker champion — has been banned for 6 months
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for breaching wpbsa betting rules. three months and one day of the ban will be suspended. david unsworth will take temporary charge of everton, following the sacking of ronald kooman yesterday. of ronald koeman yesterday. they play chelsea in the league cup fourth round tomorrow. rob greenwood, the coach accused of creating a "climate of fear" within the british para—swimming setup, has been given the "full support & backing" of the british swimming coaches association. and is yet to comment publicly about the findings. and twelve—time grand slam champion novak djokovic is set to play his first match since wimbledon at the world tennis championship in december. the world number seven, whose season ended early in august because of an elbow injury, is set to play in the abu dhabi exhibition event at the end of december. redundancies, cutting the subjects on offer, asking for extra money from parents, teachers bringing in their own supplies.
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they‘re all ways that schools have coped with cuts in their budgets from central government. this morning parents, teachers and school support workers are gathering at parliament this morning to protest. schools in england have been promised an extra £1.3 billion over two years but the institute for fiscal studies says it means a real—terms freeze on school budgets for two years. we can now speak to two people attending today‘s rally. michelle sheehy is the head teacher of a primary school in the west midlands who says her staff do bring in their own supplies, and in the next two years she‘s faced with making at least one teacher redundant. she‘s also a member of the head teachers union. flora page is a mother whose daughters aged 5 and 13 went to the same primary school. she says she‘s seen big differences because of funding cuts. thank you both for coming in. how bad is thank you both for coming in. how badisit? thank you both for coming in. how bad is it? think it is much worse than anybody realises. i have, i am the head teacher for a
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than anybody realises. i have, i am the head teacherfor a primary school, i am the head teacher a junior school as well, and i had the opportunity to do that because i was faced with a situation where i did have to make somebody redundant or i had to think of something innovative to do, so i am now head teach over two schools which means my salary is shared, which means it is put off any redundancies possibly for a year or two. but you foe, we are protected to have a deficit of 100,000 in two years‘ time, so we are going to have to think again. so what things have you, up to this point what have you had to cut? well, what we have tried to do is protect the children as much as possible, so it is the teachers really that have, they have given extra time without being paid. for example, we took some children on residential, two of our staff stayed camping for two weeks, straight,
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doing all the cooking, and looking after the children, as they were, we kept changing the cohorts that were staying there. and they are prepareded that for no extra money at all. it is things like that and staff are bringing in things to give the ching new e pences and unless i tell them, you really must charge this to school they don‘t. tell them, you really must charge this to school they don't. what do you say to staff? they shouldn‘t really be doing it? i think that shouldn‘t and i tell them they shouldn‘t. when all is said and done they are there for the children, it is no hike a business, it is a school, it is little people, and it is is really important to give children such a wide range of activities, you know, there is no point in sitting them in a class room and filling their heads with knowledge, they can go and look anything they want to, up on google for example. we need to have children of the future who are resilient who are able to problem
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solve, invent thing, you know, and think for themselves basically, that is why we try hard to keep such a wide range. why are you taking part today? for the same reasons really, it is about making sure that the next generation of children are fit for the future world. just sort of taking things back to basics, keeping kids in classrooms in rows, doing things because they're cheap is not the way that will build a society that is able to cope with everything that the future's going to throw at them. your two youngest children are eight yea rs your two youngest children are eight years apart, but attend the same primary school. how have things changed. where schools have faced cutsitis changed. where schools have faced cuts it is obvious that some of the vacancies that have come up through staff leaving haven't been
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readvertised. the pta at our primary school is very active and they raise money, but the increasingly the school without perhaps wanting to directly ask, is looking for ways to try to fill their problems from the pta coughers and —— coffers. try to fill their problems from the pta coughers and -- coffers. to asking for money? yes. which is, the pta is part of that full enrichment about giving children opportunities to see, to explore the world, to be inventive and creative, all the things that will be important for them in adult lie, but yet it costs money. the minister for school standards nick gibb said: "the fact is that under this government, there are 1.8m more children being taught in good or outstanding schools than in 2010. the claims being made by the trade union about school funding are fundamentally misleading. there are no cuts in funding —
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every school will see an increase in funding through the formula from 2018." nineteen years ago after years of sexual harassment as harvey weinstein‘s assistant, zelda perkins decided enough was enough. she quit after another colleague told her she had been sexually assaulted by the producer. solicitors advised both women to seek damages from weinstein and the sum of £250,000 was split between them on the proviso they signed a disclosure agreement forbidding them from ever speaking out. until now that is. since the many weinstein allegations of rape, sexual assault and harassment have come to light, zelda perkins has bravely broken her nda to speak out. refusing to be silenced, she has spoken to the financial times journalist matthew garra han about the pressure these agreements put on victims. he‘s speaking to us now. cani
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can i ask you first of all, how you both made contact? we had a mutual friend who approached me and we spoke a couple of times and then at length again in the last few days. we put the story together over the weekend and it ran, it is running in the newspaper this morning. but it took a long time to get the story for her to talk about, to go through the background of what happened to her and the result is this big disclosure by her. she is breaking this non—disclosure agreement that has kept her silent for 19 years. non—disclosure doesn‘t mean liability, but what are the implications of breaking that agreement? well, i mean, the big one is she could be sued. she has broken a contract she signed with harvey weinstein and there are all sorts of obligations she made to him and his
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company that he ran about keeping quiet. but the big issue here and why this is so interesting, is because she was asked to keep quiet about lots of different things. she had to promise never to tell any friends or relatives or give the names of any relatives she spoke to. she had to promise in the event of a criminal investigation about harvey weinstein she would say nice things about him. the other bombshell is the biggest law firm in london representing harvey weinstein, it is the firm that put together this water tight agreement. i think nearly 20 years on, she shies it is the right —— she feels it is the right time that talk. have you spoke on the her today? yes, she is feeling a range of emotions. this is something she didn‘t talk about for such a long time. she wants to shine
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a light on the process, the non—disclosure agreement process and the complicity of law firms and the way the rich and powerful can use them to keep people quiet. we will have to leave it. and breaking a non—disclosure agreement does not mean liability. harvey weinstein all along has denied any allegations of nonconsensual sexual activity. the law on abortion is under review in northern ireland. this friday marks 50 years since the abortion act, when termination became a legal option for women not wanting to continue their pregnancy, up to 24 weeks. but unlike the rest of the uk, abortion is illegal in almost all circumstances in northern ireland and women can face up to 14 years in prison.
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it‘s estimated that 12 women travel from the country to the uk every day to access a safe and legal termination. our reporter catrin nye went to belfast earlier this year to look into the issue. a few weeks after sarah‘s wedding, she found out she was pregnant. it was all planned, she was delighted, but then went for a private scan. there was nothing above the baby‘s eyes basically, there was no skull or brain formation. this is your scan you got? yes. sarah‘s baby had anencephaly, which occurs in about six of every 10,000 births. there is no treatment, and babies with it die before they are born, or shortly after birth. to not have a baby at the end of it, i felt like i couldn‘t... we didn‘t call it an abortion, we said we wanted a medical termination, and that‘s all it is, and they said, "sorry we can‘t help you, you would have to go abroad, go across the water". unlike the rest of the uk, abortion is illegal here in northern ireland, in almost all circumstances. that meant that at 21 weeks pregnant sarah had to travel to london
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to have her abortion. it is that experience that means she is involved in this court case. grainne teggart is campaigns manager for northern ireland amnesty international. sarah ewart had to travel to england for a termination after her baby developed a fatal abnormality. alban maginness recently left the social democratic and labour party in northern ireland as a member of the legislative assembly — he is anti—abortion and says people may only be "for or against" and there is no in between. thank you forjoining us. this is day one, the supreme court will examine whether northern ireland‘s strict abortion laws breach human rights. what are you hoping will happen? we're hoping that the court will do what our politicians have pailed to do and —— failed failed to
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to do and bring about a change in the law. it is very important that we acknowledge the difficult circumstances that women in northern ireland find themselves in. when the law makes abortion illegal that doesn‘t mean that abortion doesn‘t happen. itjust doesn‘t mean that abortion doesn‘t happen. it just makes doesn‘t mean that abortion doesn‘t happen. itjust makes it difficult for women. in what circumstances is it legal? it is legal in theory where there is a substantial risk to the life and the mental health of woman. but we know from our work that it woman. but we know from our work thatitis woman. but we know from our work that it is very difficult to get a lawful termination in northern ireland. only 16 women were able to access termination for 2015/2016 and 600 travelled to the rest of the uk. sarah, how do you feel about what is happen something we have been going at this for four years, it has been at this for four years, it has been a very long time. i'm just hoping
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that the supreme court with help us and change the law for women who end up and change the law for women who end up in circumstances that i found myself in. why was a termination right for you? i had many conversations with my consultant and they assured me the condition my baby had, it was never going to have a chance of surviving. i felt i couldn't continue with my pregnancy. for me, ijust wanted the process over, the pregnancy, the end as soon as possible. as someone knowing the outcome and what happened next would be different because of where you live, how did you feel about that and what was the process from then? it was very scary to find out we had the travel abroad. the extra stress emotionally and financially... it wasn't needed. we should have had this done at home with our own medicals. it is a medical procedure. alban, how significant in northern
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ireland politics is today‘s appeal? i think it is very significant indeed, the northern ireland court of appeal decided that there was no right, no human right to abortion in any circumstance in relation to the pregnancy of a woman in northern ireland. they did so on the basis of the rights of european court and said the local assembly has a discretion as to whether or not to introduce that sort of legislation. sol introduce that sort of legislation. so i think that the supreme court will have a constitutional issue to address today, as much as the issue of abortion itself. and i think that the northern ireland court of appeal got it right, because it totally is consistent with the european convention on human rights. 700
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women a year are travelling from northern ireland to england, wales and scotland for the procedure, the abortion act was legalised in england wales and scotland. isn‘t it time to bring northern ireland up—to—date. time to bring northern ireland up-to-date. and you have had 8 million abortions. that is a sad reflection on the people of britain that such a terrible tool of life of babies in the womb has taken place. but what i say is this, we should be looking after those women who feel, who have a crisis pregnancy, we should be investing money in supporting them and giving them the best possibility medical treatment. i would like you to talk directly to sarah, what would you have to say to sarah. i have talked to her before andl sarah. i have talked to her before and i believe it is a matter of the
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human right of the infant that the mother is in fact carrying that the infa nt mother is in fact carrying that the infant is entitled to protection, the human rights protection as in the human rights protection as in the european convention of human life, article two of that convention. i think sarah should have been given the proper support that she required in order to deliver the baby. the baby and... many mothers have had their babies delivered in similar circumstances. sarah, your response to that?|j delivered in similar circumstances. sarah, your response to that? i had many, well four scans and i was offered another and at one meeting with my consultant, he said the baby i was carrying was like a baby on a life support machine and when its you turn that off. i don't think it is fairfor me you turn that off. i don't think it is fair for me to be forced to carry a baby that has no chance of living life independently and i totally admire the women who can go through with the pregnancies and carry on,
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but ijust felt i couldn't do that and it needs to be that option there for women who can't do it. what do you think the outcome of this will be? we hope the supreme court will correct the human rights abuse against women and this is the 50 yea rs of against women and this is the 50 years of abortion act. thank you we are out of time. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. we have had a lot of cloud and some rain and you can see from the recent radar picture. the rain isjust eesing, here you have a few brighter skies developing in scotland and northern ireland. staying dry and bright. you can see where the rain
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will continue in west wales and north—west england and eastern england. some rain here. further south, it is cloudy, but the temperatures up to 18 to 19 celsius. tonight, further rain spreading through scotland and northern ireland and into northern england and wales. again a mild night for many of us with temperatures staying in double figures. the rain will clear on wednesday and some good spells of sunshine developing. just a bit more cloud the further south you are. but still temperatures up to 18 celsius. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11am.
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the european union suggests it‘s still possible for the uk to abandon the brexit process, as the the president of the european commission says he believes a fair deal can be reached. we wa nt we want a deal. those who don‘t want a deal, they have no friends in the commission. we want a fair deal. a deal, they have no friends in the commission. we want a fair dealm is up to london how this will end, with a good deal, no deal or no brexit. hospitals in england could carry out 280,000 extra operations a year just by making better use of operating theatres and time management, a report finds. a british man who has been fighting against so—called islamic state in syria has been killed while clearing landmines in raqqa, the bbc understands.

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