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this is bbc news. i'm chris rogers. the headlines at 7pm: the parliament of catalonia declares independence from spain, with people taking to the streets to celebrate. but spain's central government in madrid approves direct rule over the region — and says catalonia's leader could face charges of rebellion. i'm tim willcox and i'll have the latest, live from barcelona. people are ignoring those threats for the moment and celebrating here on the streets. in other news this hour: the cyber attack which crippled much of the nhs in may could have been prevented with basic security measures, according to a government investigation. files about the assassination ofjfk are released — but some are held back, at the request of the cia and fbi. the uk's competition watchdog will investigate hotel booking sites over concerns about hidden charges, search results, and discount claims. good evening and
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welcome to bbc news. the constitutional crisis in spain escalated today, with catalonia's regional parliament in barcelona voting for independence from spain, and the spanish parliament in madrid voting to impose direct rule over catalonia. let's get the latest from tim willcox. welcome to a very noisy central barcelona were thousands of people have taken to the streets to celebrate catalonia's newly
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independent state. several thousand people behind me in the square. the flags are waving, music is playing and people are shouting viva catalonia. a very different story from that in madrid which at that time of the declaration of independence here was passing a senate vote arranging to impose article 155, effectively direct rule from madrid. let's catch up with the very latest on the political is to wish them, the greatest constitutional crisis to affect spain since the attempted coup in 1981. this report byjames reynolds. for centuries, catalonia has been part of the kingdom of spain. this afternoon, after years of growing crisis, those who seek a state of their own took their chance. in barcelona, catalan
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independence was declared. cheering and applause. some campaigners here have worked for decades for an independent catalonia and they believe this is now their moment and that they should be free from spain. this independent state, such as it is, has no control of its supposed borders and no single country has come forward to recognise it. but to these demonstrators, the declaration feels real. translation: we are finally free. we are oppressed here. we are fighting for our freedom. finally catalonia will be a free country. but you know that madrid has the power to stop all this. it has the constitutional power. no, madrid has nothing. we have the reason, we are the people.
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i am thinking about my parents and my grandparents and also about my children and my grandchildren. butjust around the corner, we found a man waving a spanish flag, and anti—independence emotions. translation: i am not happy. i am not represented. the catalan people as a whole did not vote. translation: it is disastrous, the result of an extended manipulation that does not reflect the will of the catalan people. earlier, in catalonia's regional parliament, pro— and anti—independence groups argued bitterly about the declaration. the opposition speaks for around half the population here which does not want to leave spain. but in parliament, it was outnumbered. some walked out. those on the other side unfurled catalan flags to mark their territory. si, si... the si, the yes vote,
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came out ahead. citizens of catalonia, there are coming times when we will have to compromise to keep this country at peace. translation: we must remain peaceful, civilised and dignified. the central government in spain will not let the independence declaration stand. to spain it is a simple matter of obeying the law. the senate will give the prime minister mariano rajoy emergency powers to take control of catalonia. translation: we are not prepared to allow some people to liquidate our constitution and rules that have served our country for the last a0 years. singing. tonight, catalan leaders stand on land they now claim as their own. but they and their opponents in madrid are now both in unknown territory. the big question here is how will
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madrid react and when? they already have 10,000 national police officers here, many of them staying on ownership. let's show you some pictures that have come in earlier of the ship carrying spanish police. discussions continue on how madrid will impose that direct rule. 0ne option is the firing of the entire government in barcelona and assuming direct supervision of catalan police forces. the ship carrying 10,000 national police and guard officers. in madrid, those key decisions on
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how to impose direct rule are being thrashed out. i spoke earlier to sarah rainsford in madrid. they now have the authority to act, that is what mariano rajoy was seeking when he took this document to the senate and asked them to vote on implementing article 155 in catalonia, so implementing direct rule from here in madrid. he got that be a large majority, as expected, his party dominates the senate, but he also had a lot of support from key opposition parties including the socialist party, so he feels he has a political mandate to move forward to implement direct rule in catalonia. how that looks is a big question. the cabinet
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will meet to discuss what they do next but what mr hoyt said it would include initially would be dissolving the catalan parliament. also removing the key political figures inside catalonia from their posts and them being replaced by figures here in madrid, so massive steps being taken by madrid, utterly unprecedented and what happens next is absolutely key and the way mr rajoy was speaking as we heard after that vote, he is very aware that this is an extremely delicate situation. he said twice that there needed to be calm in spain as this moved forward. he said he was returning spain to legality, which is a phrase they keep using here. he said it was absolutely necessary measure to take and that spaniards should stay calm as his government move forward to implement it. sarah rainsford speaking to me earlier. a lot of people out here in barcelona are not thinking of the potential repercussions but celebrating their new—found
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independence. angelica, marcus, rubin and yolanda? angelica, how does it feel tonight? it feels like a happy day. it is not only by great opportunity for catalonia to move forward and self determine who we wa nt to forward and self determine who we want to be as the country, also a chance for the rest of spain to stand up to the administration. but madrid is not accepting this, they say this is illegal and they will impose direct rule. its legal according to the parliament of catalonia but we understand madrid will never accept that and now they will never accept that and now they will talk to the international community, please help catalonia because we are defending democracy. ruthven, how would you react? you
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area ruthven, how would you react? you are a teacher, how would you react if madrid imposes direct rule. are a teacher, how would you react if madrid imposes direct rulem madrid tries to make us do something we think is not fair, we will react, i think the educational community will react in the opposite way because the people have this feeling that we are right and i don't think we will easily change if it is not fair. and eulalia, how will catalonia survive? you have no international recognition and a huge debt. how will you finance everything? the government declared independence three hours ago so we have to wait and be strong, our government must be strong and start
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to disconnect from spain. thank you all very much. apologies for some of the picture quality is there, there are thousands of people using their phones which affects our signal from this camera but i hope you have caught some of the atmosphere here. yes, apologies for the loss of sound, lots of people sending texts and social media from these historic scenes in catalonia. the spanish cabinet have been meeting tonight to discuss exactly what their next move is. they have said there will be intervention but what that intervention but what that intervention is is anybody‘s guess. right now thousands of people are celebrating independence which hasn't been recognised globally. intervention is the last thing on their mind. they are clearly happy
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about the declaration of independence today, not every catalonian is, but what does this mean for the future of the region and spain? while we wait for unexpected press conference from the spanish prime minister, let me introduce you to sebastien bar for. he is the emeritus professor of spanish studies at the london school of economics. watching your face as we we re of economics. watching your face as we were watching those scenes was interesting. you know a lot about the history of catalonia and i get the history of catalonia and i get the feeling you are astonished at what has unfolded. astonished and yet it was political that it would happen because it was an unstoppable force meeting and immovable object. there was no way that either side we re there was no way that either side were going to give way. any dialogue
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would involve, on the spanish side, deepening the process of autonomy, and any dialogue on the side of the separatists, the catalan government, was about independence or nothing, so was about independence or nothing, so the two objects have met now and what is astonishing is that we didn't really think about what this might mean. i think the intervention by the spanish government will have repercussions that we are only guessing at. let me hold you there because there is condemnation across the european union of the moves by the european union of the moves by the catalan regional government, the british government among many saying they do not recognise it but they will also be worried about how the spanish government reacts. they have triggered article 155 which allows
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them to take control of in situations but this has taken control of hearts, minds and the whole region. what sort of intervention is not clear yet, they have to decide this in cabinet this evening but what they have said is that there could be two kinds of interventions, one hard or soft. the softwa re interventions, one hard or soft. the software would be as a result of the withdrawal of the declaration of independence, that is what the vice president has said. the hard—won would be in the event of a declaration of independence, so if they are acting consistently, they will have a hard intervention which would mean not just will have a hard intervention which would mean notjust the sacking of the present government in catalonia but the rest of the present government of catalonia. the attorney general has said they may well arrest all those people who
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voted for independence in the cata la n voted for independence in the catalan parliament on charges of rebellion, so we are talking about a severe response. what is the effect likely to be? how will they get catalonian teachers to teach, catalonian teachers to teach, catalonian police officers to police? this will be the problem, they will have to deal with widespread civil unrest across catalonia, not just widespread civil unrest across catalonia, notjust in barcelona, they will have to deal with the civil service, obstruction from the civil service, obstruction from the civil service, obstruction from the civil service, which may not amount to being sacked but how would they replace them if they sacked them? with the catalan police and catalan firefighters, and in the streets and squares, the tradition is very peaceful, peaceful demonstrations, but very tactical ones making it
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difficult for forces of law and order to carry out orders, and if we have a repeat of the 1st of october, violence took place which was beamed across the world, this will not go down well for the spanish government. why is this happening now? there is a huge nationalist movement in many countries, across the world the resource search for identity, the rise of the right and nationalism, is this part of it or has this been a long time coming? they had a vote on independence before. this has been a long time coming but it has been a long time coming but it has been a long time coming elsewhere. 0ne coming but it has been a long time coming elsewhere. one reason is globalisation, so nation states no longer have such a hold on people's hearts and minds. it is also about against austerity, against all kinds
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of measures that are being taken and thatis of measures that are being taken and that is something which has to be addressed. thank you for speaking to us, professor balfour. we will bring you that press conference from the prime minister of spain, mariano rajoy, as soon as it begins, if it begins. developments all the time, this is the scene there at the moment. when politicians on both sides have announced they will appear, they never quite appear on time because there is so much going on behind the scenes, that we have been discussing, but as soon as we see any action there we will go there live. the cabinet had been meeting, possibly to discuss what intervention means when it comes to catalonia and its declaration of independence. let's bring you up to
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date with the latest headlines. catalonia's parliament votes to declare independence from spain — but spain's central government approves proposals to take control of the region, and says the region's leader could face rebellion charges. a cyber attack on the nhs could have been prevented with simple security measure, a government report says, adding that the attack came from north korea. and president trump has released some — but not all — of the files on the assassination ofjfk, after requests to hold back some documents are made by the fbi and cia. the department of health and the nhs have been told to "get their act together" and improve their cyber security, following a major hacking attack in may this year. the national audit office said more than a third of trusts in england were affected, with around 7000 appointments cancelled. our technology correspondent rory cellan—jones reports. it was a cyber attack that attacked computers around the world with a message demanding a ransom payment, but the nhs was among the organisations worst hit
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and it was not ready to deal with it. 81 health trusts across england were affected. more than 19,000 appointments were cancelled, including 139 potential cancer referrals. everything we do is based around the use of computers for the records so when you don't have that it's basically impossible to work with any degree of efficiency. this gp surgery on merseyside was among nearly 600 whose work was disrupted, with no clear instructions about what to do. in medicine we have this thing called the golden hour. when anything major happens, that first hour is critical. nothing happened, there was no "please check business continuity is accessible, you might want to print off your list of patients this afternoon, you might want to put some contact numbers in there, you might want to do social media" or whatever. all that side of communications was absent. this, the royal london, was one of the most affected hospitals, with ambulances having to be diverted to other a&e departments.
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there was a national plan to deal with the cyber attack but it hadn't been rehearsed at local level. that meant people didn't know who to contact and the fact their computers weren't working made it even trickier. all this could have been avoided if health trusts had followed instructions to apply security patches which would have stopped the ransomware in its tracks. it wasn't a terribly sophisticated virus and so the patches that are issued nationally by nhs digital and updated locally by those bodies, in some cases that hadn't happened and so it was quite simple for the virus to get into those organisations. now the nhs has been told it needs a clear plan to respond to future cyber attacks. we have been getting our act together, we are getting our act together, we are putting funding in, we are putting education in. we are rolling out the programmes that were in place before this attack, and we will continue to improve over time. the government now says north korea
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was behind the wannacry ransomware and further attacks can't be ruled out but hospitals are warning that cyber security is costly and they will need more money to shore up their defences. i'm joined by our technology reporter chris foxx. perhaps no surprises that this hack on the nhs came from north korea, they are one of the big suspects. how it happened may not come as surprise because the nhs have long said they haven't got a lot of money, presumably data protection comes second to saving lives. imagine the headlines if it came out that the nhs would spend loads of money updating its computers, people would ask why they aren't spending
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less on front line services?” would ask why they aren't spending less on front line services? i have to interrupt you because the prime minister of spain has just taken to the podium following a cabinet meeting about catalonia's declaration of independence. translation: wrote excited attitudes means we need to be town because the state has the support of the law to recover from the threats that are being thrown at us. it has been agreed to go before the constitutional court and to annul the resolutions approved today by the resolutions approved today by the catalonian parliament. as you know, these measurements
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saying he has taken his first steps to respond to the situation in catalonia. that situation is dramatic, astonishing scenes with catalonian declaring independence. its mps voting for that and its regional parliament, celebrations on the streets. the prime minister saying they decided to sack the cata la n saying they decided to sack the catalan government that voted for that declaration of independence. he is also saying that he will seek to declare illegal to dave's declaration of independence. how and what they do about that, we're
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waiting to find out. let's rejoin the prime minister and see what's decided. translation: wrote ijust wa nt to decided. translation: wrote ijust want to verify and to state that at the catalan party has taken catalonia to a path with no end. the independence is very sad, causes anguish, that is what all catalans field today, those who were not for independence but also many who are for independence but two word democrats and cannot share what this attitude based on fraud and lies is causing the body of catalonia. what we must do now is bring normality
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and normalcy back to citizenship, to life, so we have adopted the measures that i have commented on, as we said in other occasions, it is not a question of suspending the self—government zero to cut it down or intervene, just to return it to normal life as soon as possible. this normalcy begins with the law, legitimacy, in situational legitimacy, in situational legitimacy, return the voice to the cata la n legitimacy, return the voice to the catalan people so inform you that as of today i have dissolved the catalonian parliament and on the zist catalonian parliament and on the 21st of december there will be autonomic elections for that autonomic elections for that autonomic community. yesterday the president of the general state had the opportunity to return to
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legality and to call elections. it is what the majority of the society of catalonia asked for but he didn't wa nt to of catalonia asked for but he didn't want to do with some of spain takes measures necessary to recover legality and has decided to call elections in catalonia. we believe it is important to return their voice to catalan citizens, to all of them and to democratic conditions so they may decide their future so nobody can commit further illegalities in their name. it is the real ballot box that has the look on that side, that has controls and guarantees that can give as the basis for the necessary recovery of cohabitation between catalonian ‘s. catalonia needs to reconcile itself with the truth and the law and itself and the government does not wa nt to itself and the government does not want to postpone one further minute
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thatjob. want to postpone one further minute that job. that is want to postpone one further minute thatjob. that is why i have decided as soon as possible to call these free elections come clean elections, legal elections that will bring democracy back to the region. we didn't want to be in this position. we don't think it's good to allow this to go on further. it doesn't mean we are suspending the autonomy, we are bringing it out within the law. today is also a day for calm and for hope for all the spanish people because it shows us that the rule of law within which we live has the instruments necessary to defend legality can to defend our constitution, to defend the norms living together for all of us, to
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defend the law and to guarantee the right of all spanish citizens, and i finished by thanking the socialist party and party leaders. these measures, as you know, have been shared, many have been brought forward by them throughout the past days. i also want to thank those who we re days. i also want to thank those who were with us in this coalition, who also helped us at this crucial time for spain. thank you also to the representatives who have given us their support this morning at the senate for the proposals made by the government and which were approved by the council of ministers. i thank
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you all for your patience. thank you very much. studio: the spanish prime minister mariano rajoy there, as expected declaring the vote for independence, the declaration of independence of catalonia illegal. still seeking ways to declare it illegal, still a lot of conversations with lawyers, as you can imagine. this is the reaction so far, no signs of heavy handedness aside from spanish police being brought into the port of barcelona via boat. they will want to avoid violent scenes from earlier in october. ryan araujo said that the catalan parliament will be dissolved and new elections will be held in december, —— mariano rajoy. contrary to a decision with the newly elected parliament. he has decided to sack the current parliament and chief of catalonia police as well but he's talking
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about a region that, as far as it is concerned, is independent of spain and whatever he says will not count for much bar right now, the focus is on celebrations on the streets of catalonia. we are there live for the latest developments here through the evening on bbc news. thousands of people are celebrating the declaration of independence by the catalonian parliament following a vote in a parliament that, as far as the spanish prime ministers concerned, has dissolved and all of its members are fired. more on that ina its members are fired. more on that in a moment, so let's catch up with the weather... ? in a moment, so let's catch up with the weather...? no, we will return to one of our stories earlier. this is the cyber hack on the nhs. you may remember that back in may of this year, many people had their appointments counselled, and many nhs trusts were affected by this hack. an investigation by the
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government has revealed this hack was conducted by north korea. and it could have been avoided by some simple security upgrades. it was money that had not been spent as far as the investigation is concerned. i'm nowjoined by our technology correspondent chris fox to talk more about this. is it as simple as this report suggests, that the nhs should have done a simple virus update and put in cyber security and it never would have happened? there are two main things in the report, many trusts missed critical alerts and softwa re trusts missed critical alerts and software updates, we get them on our computers and phones all the time, don't ignore them as it keeps your computer safe. but we do put them off... sometimes it isn't convenient and in hospitals it will require a coordinated effort because you cannot just turn off all the machines because they power x—ray machines because they power x—ray machines and in the office, e—mail
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system and booking computers, you would expect them to be updated and it seems that the time it all happened, these were spreading the ra nsomwa re. happened, these were spreading the ransomware. we aren'tjust talking about free software to upgrade computers, there is much more to it than that? there is a huge cost practically, i used to work in a photo processing lab that used a very old version of windows. that was fine, it wasn't connected to the internet and it didn't matter but to replace it you would have two replace it you would have two replace all be photo developing softwa re replace all be photo developing software created for only one purpose. in a hospital situation you have the same problem if you upgrade toa have the same problem if you upgrade to a new version of windows or apply a patch, it could break some important system so it all needs testing and all of the checks need running out. any problems with your systems need checking. bezy time pressure and a financial one. and another story around today, the consumer watchdog will investigate
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hotel booking sites online, like booking .com, and expedia. what are they looking at, what are their concerns? these websites can be hellish, there are so many red boxes saying, discount here... 17 people are trying to book this room... they are trying to book this room... they are looking into whether the websites are clear in what they are saying and it could be clearer, it can be that consumers are being misled. tricks that they use, pop—up saying that there are only a few rooms left and sometimes it says that somebody just booked rooms left and sometimes it says that somebodyjust booked the room, but when did that happen? if you look at the website code, it's not a live update, its just popped up look at the website code, it's not a live update, it'sjust popped up in your browsing session to put pressure on you see you feel like the rooms are going as you are online. the price crossed out looks
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like a big discount but is that actually a discounted room right now or does it say that actually, this is what it costs at peak time, two yea rs is what it costs at peak time, two years ago, and here is the reduced price. it isn't always clear what you are getting and you don't know whether the hotel is paying commission to the side. they probably will be if they are on their macs are one tip is to use the website has a search engine to find the cheapest room, ring the hotel directly. they probably won't offer it you cheaper, their contract with the website would prevent that but they could throw in some extras for they could throw in some extras for the same price like a bottle of champagne or a free minibar. or brea kfast, champagne or a free minibar. or breakfast, a lot of hotels do not offer breakfast breakfast, a lot of hotels do not offer brea kfast a ny breakfast, a lot of hotels do not offer breakfast any more! chris, thank you for staying on, we had to go live to spain so thank you for waiting patiently. more from spain throughout the evening fellows have a look at the closer to home. lovely sunshine around today. a
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westerly wind will be strengthening, that blows in more cloud, in northern and western parts and in particular further south and east, we hang on to light winds and clearer skies. in rural areas it could be three or 4 degrees, called in the south and it was last night. not as cold further north, strong winds, some rain and drizzle in the hills as well. more sunshine towards the south—east, and to the east of high ground. east wales, east england, and east scotland. temperatures as high as 16 degrees with sunshine. temperatures of 13 or 14 with sunshine. temperatures of 13 or 1a degrees elsewhere. caldaire comes rushing down tomorrow night and into sunday, feeling chilly where we have strong winds, further west, temperatures are higher at 1a or 15. hello, this is bbc news with me,
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chris rogers. the headlines... the parliament of catalonia declares independence from spain — in response, the spanish senate has approved imposing direct rule from madrid. britain says it won't recognise the move. the cyber attack which crippled much of the nhs in may could have been prevented with basic security updates, says an investigation. files about the assassination ofjfk are released — but some are held back, at the request of the cia and fbi. the uk's competition watchdog will investigate hotel booking sites over concerns about hidden charges, search results, and discount claims. downing street has said any allegations of sexual harassment and abuse at westminster are "deeply concerning". it was responding to claims reported by the sun newspaper made by researchers and assistants
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on social media. a short time ago, our political correspondent ben wright gave us this update. no complaints have been made, and no mps have been named but the prime minister's official spokeswoman was responding to a report in the sun newspaper today, claiming some female researchers working at westminster for female researchers working at westminsterfor members female researchers working at westminster for members of parliament had been sharing information on the whatsapp messaging service about allegedly inappropriate behaviour by some mps. we do not know if this group exists but number 10 did respond. as you said, the prime minister's official spokeswoman said that any reports we re spokeswoman said that any reports were deeply concerning. allegations made will be taken seriously and urged anyone with information to contact authorities. that view was echoed by the house of commons who pointed out that many researchers are employed directly by mps. there's a limit to how much parliamentary authorities can intervene but there is a phone helpline where anyone with concerns
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can ring it at any time. two lorry drivers involved in a fatal accident on the m1 in august have pleaded not guilty to eight cou nts have pleaded not guilty to eight counts of causing death by dangerous driving. both men will stand trial in february. 0ne driver denied causing death by careless driving while over the limit. the other driver, david wagstaff, who's 53 and from stoke, admitted causing death by careless driving. a minibus driver and seven passengers were killed in the crash near milton keynes. an alleged member of the banned far—right group, national action, has appeared in court this morning — accused of planning to murder the labour mp, rosie cooper, with a machete. the 22—year—old man is charged with terrorism offences and threatening to kill a policewoman. he appeared at westminster magistrates along with five other men. they were all remanded into custody. 0ur five other men. they were all remanded into custody. our home affa i rs remanded into custody. our home affairs correspondent, daniel sa ndford affairs correspondent, daniel sandford reports. arriving at westminster magistrates‘ court this morning in a police convoy from manchester, the two men accused of a neo—nazi terrorist plot to murder a labour mp. in all, six men
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appeared in the dock. all are charged with being members of the banned neo—nazi group national action. one of them cannot be named for legal reasons. the allegations are that the six had been meeting in this warrington warehouse which they had converted into a gym and in a pub nearby. the charge says that from the day national action was banned in december last year until the day they were arrested in september, all six men had remained members. the prosecution say that christopher lythgoe was their leader and he is also charged with encouraging murder, in fact with giving permission for one of the group to kill rosie cooper, the mp for lancashire west, on behalf of national action. the man he's accused of encouraging, the 22—year—old who cannot be named, has been charged with preparing a terrorist act by buying a machete with which to murder rosie cooper mp. he also faces a separate charge of making a threat to kill a detective who was investigating him.
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all six men said they would plead not guilty and will remain in custody until they appear at the old bailey next friday. before national action was banned last december, it had been most active in northern cities. the home secretary said it was a racist organisation which glorifies violence and which had absolutely no place in britain. daniel sandford, bbc news at westminster magistrates‘ court. let's return to our top story, the astonishing scenes in spain, particularly today. the department of catalonia has declared independence from spain, that's what the regional parliament decided to do and in response, the spanish senate in madrid has an approved imposing direct rule from madrid. britain says they will not
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recognise the move. i'm sure we can show you some of the scenes in barcelona there. thousands of catalonia and is remaining on the streets, celebrating the declaration of independence. not every catalonian is celebrating, as our correspondents have discovered in recent days. but everybody wants this independence but, in particular, the spanish government, in the last hour, the prime minister of spain addressed the nation in a press co nfe re nce of spain addressed the nation in a press conference saying he is sacking the catalonian government, the chief of police, and will hold new elections in december to reimpose a new catalonian regional government. refusing to acknowledge any declaration of independence whatsoever. what intervention takes place in the coming weeks is really anyone's guess at the moment. the camera zooming in on what looks like officials in the crowds. spanish police descended on barcelona in a
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boat. violent scenes in october following the referendum for independence. following development is from london is a spanish freelance journalist, daniel. did mariano rajoy say pretty much what you expected him to say tonight, or did he go further? i think he did what we all expected him to do. he sacked all of the government, removing chief of police, and he took control of the main institutions. but the question is, i mean... he wanted to show the people of spain that he was in charge? the only thing that has surprised me is that he called for these elections and this is something that i didn't understand well. in how things will
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be changing. are there catalonian politicians that will be sympathetic towards mariano rajoy and what he is calling for, and will want to be re—elected and in power in the region but as part of spain and not an independent country? the question is, what kind of election do you wa nt to is, what kind of election do you want to have there? you will have the independent parties there, or you will ban them, or if they recognise the spanish law now. if you ban the independent parties, what happens with these 2 million people... an election for only the opposition which would not be democratic? and obviously this is a reaction from the people. what do you think it will be? as they sack
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their government and the chief of police and catalonia. how will those institutions, as well as the catalonian people, how will they react? i think it will continue to bea react? i think it will continue to be a resistance from the streets. there are millions of people, thousands of people in the streets. we need to see what is happening in a legal way, whether they will rest or not. everything is very fresh. i think they are playing with fire. and briefly, how long do you think it will be bought for we see some sort of intervention? what kind of intervention will we see in the coming hours or days when it comes to taking control of the region? they said that the intervention will be immediate. they will accelerate. normally they have to publish all of the
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