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our top story. the zimbabwean leader robert mugabe says he will stay in office, despite intervention against him by the military. flanked by generals during a live television address, he said his authority had not been undermined. earlier, his zanu—pf party sacked him as leader and there are now calls for him to be impeached. ships from five countries have joined the argentinian navy as it searches for a missing submarine. 44 people are on board the sanjuan, which was last heard from on wednesday. and this video is trending on bbc.com more than 30,000 people have run the delhi half marathon, ignoring health warnings about the air quality. though it wasn't as bad as the smog the city experienced earlier in the month. stay with bbc world news. now on bbc news it's time for extra time. welcome to extra time. last month,
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australia's vice—captain, david warner, likened the fort coming ashes series against england to war, saying that he was looking for hatred to motivate his team—mates. hyperbolic language, of course, but it gets under way in a few days from now. our guest graeme swann knows all about pommie bashing. 18 of his matches were against the aussies, eight of them in australia. when he says the ashes are all in the mind, does he believe england are prepared for the mental challenge coming their way? welcome to extra time.
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first test at brisbane's the gabba. they don't call it the gabba for nothing. it's like being in boundary control in front of the hostile fines? i wouldn't know, control in front of the hostile fines? iwouldn't know, iwas control in front of the hostile fines? i wouldn't know, i was always sensible enough to be in the slips so sensible enough to be in the slips soi sensible enough to be in the slips so i wouldn't know it. but it's true, the noise can be incredible. the whole stadium, it's like a cake tin sort of thing. it enveloped the grounds and it's all as one. wasn't designed for the acoustic in a way? maybe. i remember going out to bad there in 2010. i was the ball after stuart broad had become peter siddle's hat—trick. the noise was the most ferocious. can you pick out the most ferocious. can you pick out the insults? no. if you were on the boundary, you probably could? we a lwa ys boundary, you probably could? we always used to laugh about them,
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because they're not particularly witty. the australian crowds, in fa ct, witty. the australian crowds, in fact, world crowds, haven't got the self—depricating wit that an english crowd has. if you've been to a football game and hear some of more intelligent things that are said, not saying that everything said at a football game is intelligent, but it's not in the same league. as an englishman, you're able to sit back and laugh at how much further we are. let's face it, if you've gone toa game are. let's face it, if you've gone to a game of sportjust to shout abuse to the men in the middle, there's something missing in your life. almost half of the 16-man england squad have never experienced an ash ashes test before. how are they likely to cope with this new experience? you never know, it's sink orswim. 0ne experience? you never know, it's sink or swim. one thing that i hope that they remember and that i hope the psychology team have been drumming in is that it really doesn't matter. everything going on, all the and voices and press intrusion, it doesn't matter at all. at the end of the day, when you
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stand there and the ball comes down there, it doesn't affect the ball in any way. easy to say that in the atmosphere of a studio. it is, but once you're playing international sport, these are the things you should be able to control and the best players in the world should be able to control that and shut off all the exterior noise because once you've found a mechanism to cope with it, it's not that hard to do. we'll talk about psychology in a moment, but thinking about captain joe root. he's only played in four tests in australia. he hasn't got much experience with with to inform the younger members of his squad, has he? he's not. and i think every captain needs to use whatever his particular strengths are. which would be what, forjoe? particular strengths are. which would be what, forjoe? forjoe, it's his body language, the way he plays the game. he's a naturally aggressive batsman when he's at the crease. if he goes out and bats like that, puffs his chest out, takes on the aussie bowlers, the australians don't like people taking them on. the reason they sledge as a nation, the nation's psych is to belittle and they want you to be a rabbit in
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the head lights and be a shrinking violet. they hate people to stand up to them and take them on in their own game. joe does that, not with words, but with his actions. you saw that in the way he batted in the last ashes in england, in the first test match in cardiff. he was dropped and then he played a brilliant counterattacking, aggressive innings and scored 100. and the whole team feeds off that. they watch him play. so, all right, ifjoe's doing it, he's our leader, we will follow. that's what he needs to do in australia. it's almost like you're describing right now the strategy to counter a bully? it's exactly that. it is easy to say. if you've been bullied as a child, you go home and your mum and dad will say, sticks and bones may break your bones. but if there's a bully in the play ground, there's a real possibility that you'll be physically hurt. you can't get physically hurt. you can't get physically hurt. you can't get physically hurt about a crowd shouting at you and your parentage, especially when most it is unfounded. you need to found a mechanism to get through it. every sportsman at some stage has had
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horrific things shouted at them from the crowd. i think we're actually getting towards a stage where the tolerance levels of those around the people accusing the crowd is raised and they're people accusing the crowd is raised and they‘ re not people accusing the crowd is raised and they're not going to put up with that any more. sorry, it's fallen. they're not going to come up with physical and mental abuse thrown towards someone's family members. i'm glad you mentioned that, because i was going to ask you where the line gets crossed ? i was going to ask you where the line gets crossed? there's a huge thing that's put up before every international cricket game on the board saying the icc will not tolerate any sort of abuse or aggression that discriminates because of skin colour, because of gender, sexual orientation. basically, everything that you shouldn't, and rightly so. but of course. . . shouldn't, and rightly so. but of course... but every insult is one of those things. and it's lip service. it's put up on the board, but it's not adhered to. it's to tick a box, as we all know in this world, a lot of people do that. they cover their own backs. it would be interesting if they actually followed through because a couple of crowds, there
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we re because a couple of crowds, there were 300 people left in the park on the first day! there are a few things to counter that with. the threat of physical violence also, is pretty borderline. there was a famous occasion when michael clarke, australian batsman, who was captain at the time, said to your mate, jimmy anderson, get red for a broken, expletive, deleted, arm. jimmy anderson, get red for a broken, expletive, deleted, armm any australian is going to threaten you on the feel, little michael clarke, bless him. andjimmy didn't remember that. he doesn't stoop to threats like that. but it was only because it was picked up by the cameras, picked up by the stump line. and to be honest, the intrusion into the middle of the stump mics and cameras, michael clarke got a lot of criticism for that. that's been happening for 35, even longer, even a book that i wrote about it, it's been happening for 100 years. and as media, if you're then putting it out to the crowd but then blaming the players,
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it's actually your responsibility. the director had the choice when he heard that to not put it out on air, but he chose to. he's a producer and he has to be quick with the microphone, that's the point. there's no need for the microphone there if you ask me. because things do get said. stupid things, in jokes. remember when england played india a few years ago and they were joking about cars, about porsches and someone in the media said that england players are trying to degrade their indian counterparts and being elitist, saying, we drive porsches. what they didn't realise is that all the indian players were multimillionaires and the english players were not. what the english players were not. what the english players were not. what the english players were doing was trying to get free product sent to them because somebody mentioned that a champagne bottle was sent to them in the change room. and they said, i wouldn't mind getting a porsche or a lambert! there's always —— or a or a porsche. you've given it and you've obviously taken it as well. in terms
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of your hip trade of sledging remarks, i suppose, of your hip trade of sledging remarks, isuppose, the of your hip trade of sledging remarks, i suppose, the point is, they've got to be funny? well, the thing is with sledging, a huge thing is made of it. it happens so few and far between on the field, funny things. and they're brilliant for afternoon speeches and all the ones i've got, i can't say any of them on the tv. i very rarely said anything asa spin the tv. i very rarely said anything as a spin bowler. if i swore at someone, i couldn't bowl the next one. i kept my mouth shut. but you do get a few things said to you. but none of them are funny. some of the old stories are funny. this is the media hyping things up. we live in a day of 24—7 news and something has to be interesting and you said at the top of the programme about david warner saying that he wants war and hatred. that is just a player who's buying into this pathetic hyperbole that's been built around the ashes, especially around the time of november 11, to come around with comments like that is mind—blowingly naive and stupid. i sincerely hope
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he regrets it all because it's mind—blowingly out of order. it's not war, it's not hatred. if you hate someone because they're from australia, or an australian hates someone because they're from england, you really do have to have a strong look at yourself in the mirror. anyway, it goes on to a lesser or greater degree, and in a sense, it's all about preparing yourself, mentally, for that kind of atmosphere. you've been fairly outspoken on how england set up, has failed to properly address this aspect of test cricket. you said you believe that english cricket has too long gone away from the strengthening, it won't make a difference if the player's mind is not clear and positive. difference if the player's mind is not clear and positivelj difference if the player's mind is not clear and positive. i think this is cricket on the whole. 0nce not clear and positive. i think this is cricket on the whole. once you get to the level of test cricket, that top level, that superlative level, technically you're able to do that. physically you're strong enough to play it. 90% of test cricket is in you are why head and you've got to find ways of working out exactly coping mechanisms for
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so—called pressure. out exactly coping mechanisms for so-called pressure. would you say england are behind the other nations in this? i don't know any nation who's ahead or behind. mental illness, let's face it, until very recently, has had a real stigma attached to it. someone was like the village idiot, stay away from him. but now people are realising, it's not your fault if you're mentally ill, how can we aggress that? and because of mental illness having a stigma, in this country especially, and america is very different. you know over there, they see shrinks, psychologists, not for bad things. they see them anyway for good things, for positive reasons. that's what sport should do. i truly believe that's what cricket should do. if you've got someone good enough to get to that top level, all you can say is technically, we have batting, bowling, fielding, massage therapists, bus drivers, security. i think there should be a team of psychologists, tip no torres strait islanders —— hypnotists. they will
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get out there and succeed. so you're speaking up here for the benefits of psychology. what about you? have you understaken it? and if so, how useful was it? i never thought i did. i mean, we had psychologists, mark boden. but i never found anything with him that worked especially well for me. i always found myself fairly blessed that i didn't need it, or so i thought. but others did? i used to go around the change room and see people visibly nervous before the day's play and i tended to gravitate towards the people who weren't nervous. so alastair cook and jimmy anderson we re alastair cook and jimmy anderson were my closest in the dressing room because they didn't seem bothered at all. i liked that. it was good for the soul. that's me as well. it was only the first day i walked into the 0val in london as a journalist for bbc, rather than a player, as i walked through the gate, the physical difference. i mean, it was like there was no weight on my shoulder. i breezed into the ground. and at that point, realised why i'd done well throughout my career because i'd convinced myself that it
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didn't matter, that i wasn't bothered. 0f didn't matter, that i wasn't bothered. of course it does, it did. it's a big deal, you're on tv: and nerves are natural and can sometimes propel you to a good performance? the people who use nerves to propel them to a good performance are the people who have got it cracked. nerves or pressure, it's the same thing. a feeling of uneasiness. you're not settled, you're not in your comfort zone. but it can all be channelled in a positive way. i was quite lucky. i managed to do it by convincing myself that i couldn't give a monkeys. this is fine. a walk in the park. the sun will come up tomorrow. but i surrounded myself with people who inflated my tyres, who talked exactly the same way. my spin bowling coach, the greatest man i've ever met. greatest coach. never spoke technically. we never talked about spin bowling, ever. all he'd say is, we'd stand there and say, mr swann, at the end of the day, if you don't get any wickets, who cares, you've got a beautiful wife and children and the sun will come up tomorrow, and he's absolutely right.
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let's try to get a field for the balance of power on the field, in terms of batting and bowling in the forthcoming series. australia are the favourites, they've been pretty much so from the start. then a number of injuries, of course, both pre—tour and during the tour to the england squad. and that's why the former australian captain saying, this tour is shaping up as a replica of the disastrous 2002—2003 campaign. it has all the hallmarks ofafamiliar campaign. it has all the hallmarks of a familiar english horror story. there you go. that's the australian psych i was talking about earlier. build it up, get the english players to to believe that. there's no truth in that? put it this way. if this australian team came to england now, england would be firm favourites because the ball will swing in england. the australian batsmen are very poor against the swinging ball, hence the last english ashes, the ball swung in three test matches. england entrepeneursed australia in those game. the two games where it didn't swing, where the conditions we re didn't swing, where the conditions were similar to australia, australia won those two games. hence, australia are favourites in australia because the ball won't
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swing. their batsmen are clueless when the ball swings through the air. they're very good players when it's up and down. steve smith, especially. the best player in the world against a ball. not even in the top 20 there. there's a view and maybe you expressed it yourself. smith and david warner really are all that they've got to rely on, but then of course, england only have alastair cook and joe root. you could argue that the top fives are similar. they've got two world class players in both top fives. the captain and a left—handed opener. 0bviously cook and warner are different players but they bring the same sort of thing to a team — experience, runs in the bank. both teams have got three positions. they haven't fully been nailed down. fairly young, inexperienced players. players who need a big ashes to prove themselves, to concrete themselves a place in the team. where england are very much stronger than australia, in my view, is batting from 6, 7, 8, 99, with stokes, wokes, ali. australia can't even match england
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in that department for runs, so that could be an area where england look to exploit australia. what about ben stokes who is obviously facing an allegation? how much will he be missed? a great deal. he is genuinely the best cricketer in the world at the moment, as it stands, with the bat and ball. you could add —— you could argue he is the best batter and the best bowler. australia try and beat you down, hyperbole, statements everywhere, peacocks sticking their tails out. ben stokes is based by that at all. without any thing, he would inspire others. you describe for me are happy, productive dressing room. it is one doesn't feel it can lose any situation. we had that in 2010-11.
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feel it can lose any situation. we had that in 2010—11. we were bowled out for 230 one the first day. australia batted well and got a big lead of 200. we then got 517—1. we we re lead of 200. we then got 517—1. we were buoyed by it. they can't get us out. they are shattered out there. they are clueless, out of ideas. the crowd have deserted them and they have turned on their own boulders. that permeates through a dressing room. “— that permeates through a dressing room. —— bowlers. they are cheering for us now. 0s liken it to the crowd in rocky for that start screaming. —— —— rocky iv. in rocky for that start screaming. -- -- rocky iv. what about kevin pietersen's relationship with you and some of its team. it has been in
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the public domain for some time. water under the bridge but the fact is you will be sharing a media facilities in australia. you are both working the tv... he is certainly going to be there. how is it going to go? we have never been friends. we had a professional relationship when we played because he was a world—class player to have in the team. 0il he was a world—class player to have in the team. oil was wanted him in the team. especially when he was tried to write some of the roles. ——i always wanted him. we do play any more. i don't see the point in holding grudges. you refer to him in your book via a compliment about australia's matthew hayden. you say that a ten pitt myatt is everything that a ten pitt myatt is everything that kept was not. —— epitomised. that a ten pitt myatt is everything that kept was not. —— epitomisedm is taken a bit out of context. a lot of the context was praise for
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peterson. the whole fallout, i wasn't a part of it. i had left. i can't honestly talk. the two things i have had, very one—sided opinions, everywhere a member of the teen talk about the situation. i've not heard kevin's side of it. he might be com pletely kevin's side of it. he might be completely in the right and everybody else in the wrong. completely in the right and everybody else in the wrongm completely in the right and everybody else in the wrong. it is how you create a productive dressing room. we have been a little bit down this path already. a management team, a captain, hast to kind of lend, i suppose, team, a captain, hast to kind of lend, isuppose, all of team, a captain, hast to kind of lend, i suppose, all of the different types in the dressing room —— lend. different types in the dressing room -- lend. it is your responsibility. he can't go in there and demand that your ego is catered for. that is a huge area where things take... it is your responsibility as well to mould yourself into the team. the team is more important than the individual. i can't remember which coach it was, show me a genius, i will show you
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how to play with the team and i will show you how the team plays with you. you learn to play with that tea m you. you learn to play with that team first and then you allow the brilliance to shake the team up, not the other way around. you are somebody who likes to speak his mind and infairness, somebody who likes to speak his mind and in fairness, you somebody who likes to speak his mind and infairness, you might rub some people up the wrong way. former coach duncan fletcher plus the former captain who you said would have used that last couple of bullets in his gun on you.|j have used that last couple of bullets in his gun on you. i said it tongue—in—cheek. i don't blame him. when i was first on the england tour, i epitomised everything that duncan fletcher hated, i wasn't serious and flat —— sensible. from that point of view, we clashed dramatically. my main problem was my men talk. i didn't really have a chance. —— mental. —— you are a big fan, andrew strauss
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once called you a buffoon. i stamped my feet and demanded a review. i was very petulant. did you need to be to be on form? no, you don't need to be petulant. it was my release when i old. if people miss fielded in purpose, i would always say it was a lack of professionalism if they were too busy looking at the crowd and they were in the wrong place to catch, i would scream and shout. it's very different. a lot of bowlers do it but a lot of batsmen can't do it, they are precious and need a cuddle. there was a lot of attention from the media when you left the ashes tour. 0nce england had gone 3—0 down in the series and
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was therefore about to lose. the allegation was that you were a quitter. four years on, allegation was that you were a quitter. fouryears on, how allegation was that you were a quitter. four years on, how do you see that? if i had stayed in that trip, i would see that? if i had stayed in that trip, iwould have see that? if i had stayed in that trip, i would have done anything to stay on that trip. had nerve damage. the nerve damage is there for life. i couldn't feel the cricket ball. i wasn't fit to play and i was told in no uncertain terms that i had to leave the tour immediately and that is what happens. it followed two operations five. five? far bigger things were happening behind the scenes. i hate get asked a lot. at the time, i couldn't bowl. he was the time, i couldn't bowl. he was the one who told me that i had to go home. i had a lot going on behind the scenes with kevin that was occupying their minds.” the scenes with kevin that was occupying their minds. ijust
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wonder, you think about the ashes series and maybe this does sound a little bit complacent, but it is ha rd to little bit complacent, but it is hard to imagine international cricket without the ashes, isn't it? are you concerned that while that may stay and be the centrepiece of international cricket, tuc and the rest might fall away? there is certainly movement at the moment. —— do you sense the rest might fall away. that cricket is focused on the doom and gloom. some things need to be done in parts of the world because not enough people watch it. if money is the sole reason for changing it, it! if money is the sole reason for changing it, it i disagree. some test matches finish inside four days. the rate wouldn't increase like they wanted to. that county cricket, how many wickets have to be docked to get a result? the very fa ct docked to get a result? the very fact there is an extra day at the
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end, mentally, means games get to finish so we have to completely forget that idea. four—day cricket is first—class cricket. five day is special. i know that it used to be six—day but in my lifetime, i have known it has five—day cricket. i absolutely adore five—day cricket andi absolutely adore five—day cricket and i don't know many players i play against around the world who don't love it. just because the crowds are not so big, if we box it up, in 15 yea rs not so big, if we box it up, in 15 years time, we will lament it and this is incredible game and it will go to rack and ruin. i'm going to be there if i do. go to rack and ruin. i'm going to be there if! do. that is go to rack and ruin. i'm going to be there if i do. that is a very strong statement for five—day cricket. 0ver 25 days, potentially, down under. give me your prediction.” 25 days, potentially, down under. give me your prediction. i don't know how, or when. give me your prediction. i don't know how, orwhen. ijust give me your prediction. i don't know how, or when. ijust have a feeling that we are going to win a
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day and i am going for 2—1. it is safe to say there is a lot of weather to come in the week ahead. low pressure after low pressure will be coming in from the atlantic. this is how we are starting the week. still cold enough for a bit of snow to the scottish hills but mild air will be pushing in across much of the uk for a time this week because it looks like this will be pushed away by colder air by the end of the week. this is how we start off on monday — some snow the hills in northern scotland so some slushy roads.
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a lot of rain elsewhere in scotland to begin with and a lot of cloud across the uk. still chilly in northern ireland. we will see the rain and the snow tending to weasel out as we go through the morning in scotland and some outbreaks of rain. a huge amount of cloud but not rain. damp and drizzly in places but what we will notice the most is how mild it is compared with recent mornings. starting the day across much of wales, the midlands and south—west england, temperatures into double figures. milder air moving in but it is doing so with plenty of cloud. hard pressed to find much of sunshine at all on monday. just a few bright breaks to the east of high ground. outbreaks of rain fizzling out but patchy, might rain still around into the afternoon in some spots. double—figure temperatures
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even into southernmost parts of scotland but elsewhere in scotland, still single figures for another day. still chilly feel especially the further north you are. 0n through monday night and into tuesday morning. another spell of rain through northern ireland and into scotland but any snow on the hills turning back to rain as we do ten things at the milder here eventually as we go on in to tuesday. it looks pretty wet on tuesday. especially in northern scotland. to the east of it, before any of it gets in, temperatures very mild and a few spots reaching into the mid teens for a while. you can see, low pressure systems are queueing up some wetter and windy weather for a time mid—week but we we are expecting things to turn cold again by the end of the week.
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the milderfeel mayjust be brief, rain at times and a bit of snow, especially on the hills at scotland. 0ften windy at times and the colder winter by the end of the week. welcome to newsday. i'm babita sharma in london. the headlines: robert mugabe defies pressure and refuses to quit as the president of zimbabwe. but mr mugabe has been sacked by his party — and he now faces impeachment. and i am sharanjit leyl in singapore. also in the programme: the us navy sends special tracking equipment to help in the hunt for an argentine submarine. and we look at singapore's display of impressionist art — asian style.
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