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welcome to hardtalk a significant shift is afoot in the world of international development, more of the decision—making power is being located in the global south, closer to the front line on the wall in poverty. there is less talk of aid and more of empowerment, self—help and more of empowerment, self—help and local solutions. and at the forefront of this is my guest today, winnie byanyima, the ugandan boss of oxfa m winnie byanyima, the ugandan boss of oxfam international, who is overseeing the ngo's move from the uk to can you. is international development currently and fit for purpose? —— kenya. —— and fit. —— unfit. winnie byanyima, wellcome. thank

you, stephen. we have talked to quite a number of top officials on this programme, the bosses of international ngo's, you are different from most because of your back story. do you feel somewhat different from your peers in this world ? different from your peers in this world? a little bit. not completely. i feel different because there are few heads, maybe i am the first, heads of a global organisation from africa, from the south and who is a woman. sometimes i feel a bit different but generally feel the same with my peers. we are all passionate commerce share the same

values and we fight the same causes. iam values and we fight the same causes. i am interested you pick that word fight, your life compare to most of your peers has been defined by this notion of struggle and fight. sometimes in the most liberal sense because you did spend a couple of yea rs because you did spend a couple of years in the ugandan bush fighting against the dictatorship in uganda. so, for you, this idea of struggle does seem to be very, very real.m is. i grew up in a crisis country and area is. i grew up in a crisis country and are a brutal dictatorship, i sought repression, i fled, and are a brutal dictatorship, i sought repression, ifled, i became a refugee, ijoined a struggle against dictatorship, so yes, my life is shaped by a struggle, by a passion that i develop for human rights, a0 quality, for women's rights, a0 quality, for women's

rights and this is my natural home. working in socialjustice movements. —— fall equality. working in socialjustice movements. -- fall equality. do you think you area -- fall equality. do you think you are a radical almost to the point of being a revolutionary? revolution is something that had evolved during my 20s but i see myself as a practical, pragmatic champion of human rights and social justice and pragmatic champion of human rights and socialjustice and that is what 0xfa m and socialjustice and that is what oxfam international is, it is a perfect home for me. it is interesting that you say that, too many people here in the uk we associate 0xfam with the word charity, because they run charity shops where you can donate clothing and other things and they can be sold on to give you funds for your eight and humanitarian work. —— your aid. but it isn't often associated with struggle, is it an easy

marriage? it is, because behind that word charity is a very radical idea that humanity is one and injustices must be challenged and fought. we trace our roots to radicals who challenged winston churchill on the war that was going on and wanted to ta ke war that was going on and wanted to take food aid to people who are starving and they challenged and we have been challenging since. challenge power. interesting, because in recent times you have appeared to rail against the notion of charity given by the rich to the poon of charity given by the rich to the poor, you said that we don't think charity is the way to solve these problems, you are not going to lift everybody out of poverty through the kindness of wealthy people. is charity outmoded to a certain extent? no, it is that outmoded.

this era of solidarity, kindness and sharing is what drives what we do. but what i was saying is that 0xfam tackles the root causes of poverty and that lies in powerlessness. so we challenge political leaders, economical leaders, business leaders to dojustice for the economical leaders, business leaders to do justice for the poor, economical leaders, business leaders to dojustice for the poor, but economical leaders, business leaders to do justice for the poor, but to give them handouts but to do justice. your version ofjustice sometimes trades into controversial political territorial. if i look at some of the campaigns that you and 0xfa m some of the campaigns that you and 0xfam have run, you have run campaigns forfair 0xfam have run, you have run campaigns for fair taxation, you have run campaigns on the minimum wage, you know, these in the british political context had certain political context had certain political connotations which, it has to be said, has got 0xfam into trouble. for example, december 201a, the charity commission decided that

some of 0xfam's tweeting had carried a political bias. yes, sometimes we are drug, told by authorities that we are crossing a line. but we are political, with a small p, we tackle where powerlessness starts and where power is abused. we tackle governments and we tackle companies. among the examples that you gave, you should have mentioned that we faced off pharmaceutical companies to bring down the price of antiretrovirals to save the lives of millions of people dying. this needs a challenge and we challenge.” millions of people dying. this needs a challenge and we challenge. i am tempted to ask you if that is the perception that you bring to your work, why not actually be a politician? 0ccu rs work, why not actually be a politician? 0ccurs in the end, sitting as you do at the end of 0xfa m sitting as you do at the end of oxfam international, you can have a

powerful lobbying voice but you cannot will the levers of power, whereas if you chose a political career and this knows, back home in uganda, there are many who would think that you have a very strong chance of political success, if you did then you could pull the levers of power yourself. let me tell you something. political leaders can only be as good as the people of the citizens are active. it is so important that we raise the voice of citizens, that we support citizens to hold their leaders accountable and hold this is accountable for good practice. so what i am doing now, today is leading a global organisation that fuels, that power was movements on the grounds of citizens to push their governments to be just and to deliver to them. with focus on what you have said about your role, which is very much

about your role, which is very much about political messages, about campaigning, about activism. but what you didn't say is that it is also about delivering very real and urgent humanitarian assistance on the ground. i wonder whether you sometimes worry that the money used and has 0xfam on the campaigning, the lobbying, the powerful political messages, that money is being taken, in essence, from the humanitarian funds that you have two help people in yemen, bangladesh, all sorts of different urgent pressing crises today, that is a hugely difficult moral decision to take, is it? not really. it is not a difficult decision. as i said, take the case of conflict. conflict happens and we rush there and we save lives because we wa nt rush there and we save lives because we want to save lives. what we know that the solution to a conflict is to find a peaceful solution to the issues that are driving the conflict, so we must tackle the root

cause is as well. if you take the example of yemen, it is the worst humanitarian disaster in the world today, 7 million people on the verge of starvation. berwick is a cholera outbreak. we are there with water sanitation and food and everything that we can. —— there is. but we also must speak up, we must campaign and push those governance to fight for a political solution of peace in the yemen. we challenge the british government that is on the one hand giving aid, the second—biggest donor, but which is also selling arms to saudi arabia which arms are being used to kill them. so we speak forcefully a nd being used to kill them. so we speak forcefully and challenging the british government on that. stopped

selling arms. there are many others delivering that message on arms sales to saudi arabia, westminster parliament and many other political lobbying groups, my question is that why does 0xfam need to do that? given that you have the facility and the manpower and the know—how to actually use every pound that is given to you to help people on the ground, is it right that you spend some of that money on political campaigning that others would do in your place? absolutely, firstly because we come with the credibility to speak on those issues. we are on the ground. before i came here i was having a meeting with some of the people who are on the ground in bangladesh, inside the country and i know the picture, i know what is going on. in many spaces 0xfam is invited there to speak because we bring the voice, and authentic voice from where the problems are. so if i

can share with you, this year i went toa can share with you, this year i went to a roundtable at the united nations with the secretary general, with prime ministers, i was coming right out of nigeria where there is famine in that rich countries. and i could talk about the creeping famines across south sudan, nigeria, somalia and yemen because i have been to those countries. that is because 0xfam is one of the very biggest and most respected of the international aid, humanitarian organisations. i wonder if there is time for a rethink... what we spend on ourcampaigning is 10% time for a rethink... what we spend on our campaigning is 10% of our total budget, what we spend on humanitarian crisis is almost half of our budget. you, in the end, are one of the big fish, one of the big multinationals, maybe it is time for a rethink, maybe it is time for you

to accept, that your day, if not done, is perhaps not the future? because it your own reporting on this, for example a report from 2015, turning the humanitarian system 2015, turning the humanitarian syste m o n 2015, turning the humanitarian system on its head, emphasised the need to get much more local. that local as was the best way of delivering real support to communities on the ground. absolutely. in fact, we are committed. 0xfam has committed that by2020 committed. 0xfam has committed that by 2020 we will be channelling 30% of the money that we get for humanitarian crisis through local actors because they are the first responders, they know that context, they can deliver better. so will we are out there, training our local partners to take more and more responsibility for preparedness and a full response when it is needed. powerful sentence from that report, simply put, it said, we are not saving as many lives as we could. is

that still true today? of course we would like to save all lies. we a lwa ys would like to save all lies. we always struggle at 0xfam and are striving for higher and higher impact. when you say that, that talks to our dna. we are impatient for a world where there is no poverty or suffering. the implication was that your systems all your approach wasn't quite right? of course, we are looking for improvements and in the last five yea rs i have improvements and in the last five years i have headed 0xfam, after we formed our humanitarian system to make it more effective and efficient at the truth is, the humanitarian crisis around the world of the speed at which and the frequency and intensity of disasters, the protracted miss of conflicts, we cannot meet the need. we really must find solutions to prevent, we must do more preventative work. is one way that you can be more quicker on

the ground and more flexible, moving the ground and more flexible, moving the international headquarters to nairobi to place it in the global south? yes, that is part of the change thatis yes, that is part of the change that is making us more rooted in the work that we do. it just cannot in the work that we do. itjust cannot be right that we save lives and we solve problems of poverty from a000 miles away, stephen... is there something neocolonialists about the attitude that you see in some of the western—based international aid organisations? well, i can say that there isa well, i can say that there is a danger of becoming less and less relevant if organisations that were born in the north and became global continue to make the decisions to do their work from the north. we are moving our headquarters to the south so that we are rooted

there, so that we speak with the legitimacy from where the struggles are. have you been stung by the degree to which certain african leaders, andi to which certain african leaders, and i am thinking of paul kagame, the president of rwanda, but also, actually interestingly, your host now, the president of kenya, uhuru kenyatta, they have expressed openly said —— their doubts that international aid is doing an effectivejob helping the poorer african nations. just quote uhuru kenyatta, he tweeted this, he said, "dependence on giving which only appears to be charitable must end. foreign aid, which heard so often carries terms and conditions that preclude progress, is not an acceptable basis for a prosperity and freedom. it is time to give it up." there are two things there — one, the big picture. developing financing, aid is only a small part of it. today, the developing countries, the domestic investments,

together with government revenues, isa 7.5 together with government revenues, is a 7.5 times more than the total sum of flows which include aid, foreign direct investment, remittances, loans, all that so remittances, loans, all that so domestic revenues are very important and they are growing and it is important though to understand that aid, even though it is one part, has a very important part to play. take the a7 fragile countries, a7 of them, fragile, poor countries, for those, aid is the largest aid flow externally. they need that aid but increasingly... but what about those who say that giving aid to the very poorest countries, often props up governments whose record on governance and striving for economic efficiency and delivering real economic benefits to their people is horrible and that aid sustains them.

there is a point in what you say because aid should be used for purposes of strengthening the institutions of government and strengthening the capacity of citizens to hold government accountable. so the purpose of aid is important that it so the purpose of aid is important thatitis so the purpose of aid is important that it is channelled to the poorest who are not reached by markets, who are not reached by markets, who are not reached by private capital, that it is used to strengthen tax collections so to strengthen tax collections so that countries get on their feet and raise enough resources, that it and raise enough resources, thatitis and raise enough resources, that it is used to support the strengthening of civil society voices to hold government accountable. we have to use aids aid for those purposes, for it to deliver the autonomy, the financial autonomy that governments want. there is one specific thing that i want to put to you and it has come out in recent days as a result, bizarrely, the scandal in the united states concerning harvey weinstein and allegations of very serious sexual abuse. it has since transpired that a lot

of female workers in the aid and development business have, it seems, experienced abuse themselves from other members, male members of staff, over the years and, including staff at 0xfam. it seems you have had, in the last year, a very significant rise in the number of allegations made against your own male staff. i'm tempted to ask, with a degree of surprise, what on earth is going on that seems to make this sort of abuse systemic even to make this sort of abuse systemic evenin to make this sort of abuse systemic even in the humanitarian aid business? you know, that is a matter that's very close to my heart, stephen. throughout my career, i have been working to defend women's rights. it's true, 0xfam should be doing more to protect them

—— women who work for 0xfam. yourformer —— women who work for 0xfam. your former director —— women who work for 0xfam. yourformer director in nigeria, going back to the thousand and ten, made allegations of abuse against another senior member of 0xfa m against another senior member of oxfam staff. she said those allegations we re she said those allegations were never addressed and, not long afterwards, she was fired. it does seem there is a problem, even it does seem there is a problem, evenin it does seem there is a problem, even in your own organisation. well, as i said, we should be doing better. we should be doing better but let me be clear that, one, a norm has changed in the world — american women have stood up and have raised the question about safety for women in the workplace. we've been working at it for a long time. we're not where we should be but we have something in place that has been working and some of this reporting, stephen, isa of this reporting, stephen, is a result of the transparency that we put in place, starting five years ago, when we boosted our system and started a system of reporting transparently the cases.

i want to end by bringing you back to uganda, which is where we begin, where we talked about the roots of your commitment to the struggle. for 11 years, you were a ugandan parliamentarian working quite closely with president museveni. he is now seeking constitutional change which would allow him to run for another presidential term, even for another presidential term, even though, according to the current constitution, he would be too oldin 2021 to run again, and you have chosen to speak out against any change in the constitution. why? well, first of all, i must correct you that wasn't working closely with him as a parliamentarian. i was with him as a parliamentarian. iwasa with him as a parliamentarian. i was a critical parliamentarian... you were at the beginning. because if i may say so, you've had a long personal relationship with him... sure. ..you sure. . .you were sure. ..you were close to him and indeed so was your husband many years. that is true. we were in the revolution against dictatorship together but, increasingly, as i became a member of parliament, i disagreed and

eventually broke away. why i am racing my voice now on this issueis why i am racing my voice now on this issue is that this issue of changing the constitution in order to extend the constitution in order to extend the possibility of a president who has been in power 35 yea rs, to stay who has been in power 35 years, to stay longer... and we should remind people he would be 77 at the next election. it is not a partisan issue. this is a citizen issue. this is a citizen issue. this is a citizen issue. this is where 0xon's voice i think is important, to energise the citizens to speak up in defence of the constitution. we made this constitution — i was one of the constitution makers — it was the most consultative, participatory way and we put in these checks in the constitution so that presidents do not use incumbency to entrench themselves in power. now, he did remove one constitutional check and now he wants to remove the one in age limits so it is important that i speak so that ugandans also rise and speak and defend their constitution. but you speak as the head of 0xfa m but you speak as the head of oxfam international but the truth is, you have a major vested interest

in it because your husband happens to be the leading political opponent, who has long fought president museveni and has fought to beat him in various presidential elections so, for you, this is deeply personal. are you so you should be mixing the professional and personal in the way that you have chosen? look, i am a citizen of my country. i cannot be credible in my own country when i do not speak on an issue that is so important for the future of our young people, for our economy. i have to make my statement and then leave it for ugandans to go ahead and fight it. ido and fight it. i do not express myself on the side of the opposition or the side of the government as i said. this is a strictly citizen issue and people across both sides are speaking... there are members would like you

to go back and be the main opposition candidate in the 2021 election. are you considering doing that? look, it would be an honour to be asked to lead my country but, right now, i am enjoying an even bigger honour to support the voices of citizens around the world, to stand up for economicjustice. so 2021 is a little way away. are you telling me that you are categorically ruling it out or is ita you are categorically ruling it out or is it a possibility? there are many people in your country that would like clear answer to this. asi would like clear answer to this. as i said, it would be an honour to be asked to lead the country but right now, i'm happy to tell you that i have just signed my second contract at 0xfam, to serve my organisation for the next five years so my plan, i'm not looking at the ugandan context, i'm looking at serving 0xfam right now. we will have to end there. winnie byanyima thank you very much for being on hardtalk.

thank you so much. enjoyed it. hello there. weatherwise, this week has got off to a pretty quiet start, lots of dry weather on monday, most of us hopefully saw a glimmer or two of sunshine, but plenty of cloud around. tuesday, pretty similar story, quite a lot of cloud around, a lot of dry weather, some persistent rain for northern and western scotland by the end of the afternoon. after some early morning fog, southern england should brighten quite nicely,

hopefully we'll see some through the afternoon. across the midlands and east anglia too. some cloud and drizzle for wales and northern england. some bright spells. for the highland and northern isles, a wet end to the afternoon. that is the first signs of what is to come as we push into the middle of the week. wet and windy conditions extending across the isles. for much of england and wales a quiet night on tuesday, some cloud around the day on tuesday, many areas being fine over the afternoon where northern wales and the south—west will pick up some rain. windy for scotland and northern ireland. still some temperatures in the double figures. overnight wednesday into thursday, really starting to bring in some wet weather, this low is a savage affair, some strong winds and those will be with us on thursday, the weather front to the south making for a wet start

to the day on thursday and bright weather to follow from the north later on. notjust brighter, but colder. that is white you see it on the map behind me. snow showers and you can see the temperatures coming down across northern scotland, still in double figures for the south of the british isles through thursday afternoon but that warm air will be pushed away by another arctic plunge. that will be here by the time we get into friday. friday, a pretty good—looking day if you are in doors looking through the window, quite a lot of sunshine around the snow showers to the north and north—west, very strong cutting northerly winds. 0n the face of it, temperatures colder than the start of the week. —a for newcastle come friday. here is a recap of your week. a pretty quiet start, a fine day to come on tuesday, wet and windy wednesday night into thursday,

thursday and friday becoming brighter and also turning much colder. welcome to the briefing. i'm sally bundock. our top stories: a cabinet meeting for teresa may, with still no sign of agreement on the key principles of brexit. president trump's travel ban on six mainly—muslim countries can now go ahead, the supreme court rules. and will russian athletes be banned from the winter olympics? a decision is due within hours. putting an end to paradise. the eu gets set to name and shame the tax havens it says aren't living up to global standards. i'll be speaking to one man whose research shows that 10% of the world's wealth is held in off—shore tax havens. that's the end