hello, it's wednesday, it's 9am, i'm victoria derbyshire. welcome to the programme. our top story today — a man is due in westminster magistrates‘ court this morning over an alleged plot to kill theresa may. we'll bring you the details. also on the programme, will showing a greater understanding of what leads a young offender to commit a crime help cut offending? the chief inspector of probation thinks so. it's about taking a step back and really thinking about this much more long—term. sometimes spending many months working with this young person to build that relationship before you start that for shaping activity. often those young people have not had continuous emotional relationships in their lives and it can makea relationships in their lives and it can make a very substantial difference. we'll talk to those involved in the scheme. and your assessment on how the brexit negotiations are going so far. too slowly. we need to move on to trade talks and give business certainty. no way. we need to go

more slowly because speed costs money in negotiations. these negotiations are complex. it is a shambles. theresa may doesn't know how to negotiate and these far too soft. it is a quagmire created by a lack of fore sight by the government. let us know how you think brexit negotiations are going. we will speak to our audience of voters in the next half an hour. hello and welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am. throughout the morning the latest breaking news and developing stories and as always, keen to hear from you. a little later we'll be talking about debt over christmas. are you struggling this year? are you having to use your overdraft

facility in order to fund christmas? lots of people are according to research from a debt charity today. share your situation with us. use the hashtag victoria live. you can e—mailand the hashtag victoria live. you can e—mail and whatsapp and message me on facebook. if you are texting, we will have to charge you. our top story today. a man is due to appear in court today, accused of a plot to attack downing street and kill the prime minister. another man will also appear, charged with terrorism offences. let's get more on this withjune kelly, who's at westminster magistrates‘ court in central london. number ten downing street, the target of an alleged islamist plot to kill the prime minister. it's understood the allegations involved a plan to bomb the security gates at the entrance to downing street and then in the ensuing chaos, launch a knife attack against theresa may. two men are due to appear before westminster magistrates‘ today charged with terrorism offences. naa‘imur zakariyah "khan" is 20 and mohammed aqib imran is 21. andrew parker, the head of mi5,

briefed the prime minister and the cabinet yesterday about nine alleged terror plots that have been foiled since march this year. in the house of commons, the home secretary said police would have the money they needed. we will shortly be announcing the budgets for policing for 2017—2018. i am clear that we must ensure counterterrorism policing has the resources needed to deal with the threats that we face. yesterday, a report into the four terror attacks in the uk this year said some of those who carried them out were known to the security services. it suggested it was conceivable the manchester arena attack which killed 22 people could have been stopped. 15—year—old olivia campbell—hardy was among those victims. her grandfather said he wasn‘t blaming the security services. they‘re gonna do the best they can with the information they have got and they gather,

assess themselves, assess the situation, make decisions, and act on it. i will not fault anybody for doing theirjob. the security services say the level of threat remains unprecedented, with over 500 active counter terror investigations. more on that throughout the programme, of cors. ben brown is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day‘s news. the white house says president trump is to break with decades of american policy on israel and is to recognise jerusalem as the capital of israel. he‘s also due to begin the process of moving the us embassy tojerusalem from tel aviv, a process which may take several years. arab leaders have warned against moving the embassy, saying it would be "a flagrant provocation to muslims". our correspondent is in jerusalem for us. give us an idea of the reaction to this? well, this is something that really goes to the

heart of one of the thorniest issues in the israel—mrn conflict. basically, jerusalem is seen by the israelis as being their eternal undivided capital, so for this, this is going to correct what they see as a historic injustice and donald trump will recognise sovereignty of israel overjerusalem, a city where they say they have 3,000 years of jewish history, that‘s the seat of the israeli government. on the palestinian side, well the palestinians claim eastjerusalem is the capital of their future state. that‘s why for decades international consensus has been that only in an negotiated peace deal between israel and the palestinians should the status ofjerusalem and the palestinians should the status of jerusalem be and the palestinians should the status ofjerusalem be worked out. palestinians and other arab leaders have spoken to donald trump by phone. they have expressed alarm over this. they have said this could inflame religious tensions in region because eastjerusalem inflame religious tensions in region because east jerusalem is inflame religious tensions in region because eastjerusalem is where you

have got the old city with its religious sites, holy to dues and muslims and to christians and they are saying it going to upset donald trump‘s plans of being a brokerfor the ultimate deal as he has called it between israel and the palestinians bringing peace to this region. thank you very much indeed. the family of an 81—year—old woman has received a £45,000 pay—out after she was kept alive against her will. brenda grant made a living will stating she feared degradation and indignity more than death after seeing her mum lose her independence through dementia. but the george eliot hospital, in nuneaton, warwickshire, misplaced the document and she was artificially fed for 22 months. russia has been banned from taking part in next year‘s winter olympics in south korea following a report into systematic doping at the 2014 games. individual athletes will be allowed to take part if they can prove a doping—free background, but must compete

under a neutralflag. the deputy speaker of the russian parliament has called the ban a "humiliation and an insult". tens of thousands of people have been forced to flee from the path of wildfires in southern california. hundreds of buildings have been destroyed by the blazes and several thousand homes are under mandatory evacuation in the cities of ventura and santa paula, north of los angeles. california has been hit hard by wildfires in recent months. at least a0 people were killed when fires ripped through parts of northern california‘s wine region in october. james cook has the latest from los angeles. there will be hundreds of homes that have been destroyed. tens of thousands of people have fled and just tonight, in the past few minutes, the breaking news is that the extraordinary scene is that the fire has reached the pacific ocean. it has lea pt fire has reached the pacific ocean. it has leapt over the main coastal motorway and is burning on the very

edge of the pacific. it seems the water is the only thing that can stop this blaze. james cook reporting. banks should end all unauthorised overdraft charges because they are trapping people in persistent debt, the financial charity step change has said. it says two million people in the uk used their overdraft facility every month last year. the organisation wants banks and regulators to do more to identify people caught up in a "vicious cycle of borrowing". there are calls for a new way of working with young offenders to cut levels of re—offending. her majesty‘s inspector of probation, dame glenys stacey, has told the victoria derbyshire programme she wants to see a new approach rolled out across england and wales. it would mean building a relationship with offenders between the ages of ten to 18 and working out what has led to their offending before asking them to change their behaviour. the winner of this year‘s prestigious turner prize was announced in hull last night. lubaina himid has become both

the oldest winner and the first ever woman of colour to take the award. the 63—year—old artist was born in zanzibar, but is now based in preston, and uses her work to address racial politics and the legacy of slavery. i think the history of what we‘ve contributed is underrepresented. black people contributed with their lives, in the very first place. and we‘ve continued to contribute culturally in all sorts of ways. scientifically, every which way. and that is recognised every now and again, but it‘s not woven into the british story. christine keeler, the model at the centre of the profumo affair of the 1960s, has died. the 19—year—old became famous after it emerged she‘d had an affair

with both the conservative minister john profumo and with a russian diplomat at the height of the cold war. the scandal was considered by many to be the downfall of the macmillan government and she was vilified by the press at the time. as they say, if at first you don‘t succeed, try, try and try again. which is exactly what demolition experts in the us state of michigan have had to do! after attempting and failing seven times on sunday to demolish the derelict silverdome stadium, the former home of the american football team the detroit lions, things finally went to plan yesterday. explosions removed the upper level of the old stadium, the lower levels are set to be demolished next year. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30am. it is so mesmerising to watch pictures of buildings being destroyed for some reason. do get in touch with us throughout the morning, use the hashtag victoria live

and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. there is a scheme in nottinghamshire for several years which is an attempt to cut the re—offending rates. so people who have already beenin rates. so people who have already been in young offenders institutions to make sure they don‘t commit another crime when they come out. seven out of ten people do reoffend having been in custody which is a really high figure and governments over rears have tried to work out how to tackle the re—offending rates. we‘ll bring you the details of this scheme after 9.30am. dave on facebook has got an answer on how to tackle youth re—offending. "get tough. harder sentences. american—style boot camps. get tougher in schools. make parents responsible. plenty of ideas there. get on with it." says dave. anthony on facebook says, "there should be some sort of boot camp where they are sent once they offend, but not serious offences. no playstation or

know mobile phones, limited internet access etcetera. make them work whilst they‘re in there, but give them a sense of self worth, a decent education or trade so that when they come out, they can start to live a decent life." ourfilm is coming up after 9.30am. let‘s get some sport with hugh. the england team demoralised after losing the second test? england could be staring at another embarrassing ashes series defeat. they are 2—0 in the best of five series after the hosts australia took a 121 run win in adelaide. england had offered a glimmer of hope going into the final day. they needed what was an unlikely 178 to win, but they had six wickets in hand andi win, but they had six wickets in hand and i woke up like many this morning to check if the near impossible was still on and of course, they had already lost and they were swept aside. chris woakes went with the second ball of the day. that was before his captainjoe

root went in the next over. not great for england at that point. they did make a brief stand. jonny ba i rstow they did make a brief stand. jonny bairstow helping to get them towards the figure, but in the end, dismissal, mitchell‘s starc‘s fifth wicket. they lost their final six wickets in the opening session of the day. so really, victoria, the momentum now well and truly with australia. their bowlerjosh hazlewood said they expected more fight from england on the final day. we will see if they can bounce back and add some fight going forward from this point. yes. i mean, it feels suddenly like the winter is stretching ahead, doesn‘t it? it could be a very long winter. where do they go from here? what can they do? is there any chance of ben stokes coming back? it's very, very small chance of ben stokes coming back. much of the concern though out in australia seems to be over england‘s batting. he would have helped with that, of course, neither their batsmen or bowlers fired in

their batsmen or bowlers fired in the first innings of this test in adelaide. the first innings deficit was more than 200. the first time since 19.81 that happened to england. they haven‘t been able to turn their 50, into tonnes in the way australia have. joe root the captain made three 50s out of his four times at bat in the ashes series so far. he hasn‘t made a century yet. in the second half, england improved, but it was too little, too late. root is optimistic. here is what he had to say afterwards. the way we went about the second proved to everyone really that we are still massively in this series. i think it's as simple as that. we've shown that throughout the two games, with periods that we can outperform australia, butjust periods that we can outperform australia, but just not periods that we can outperform australia, butjust not for five days and that's going to be our challenge really. if we get that right, and we can perform to our

ability for longer periods of time then we will win games. simple as that. they are looking for that consistency that he mentioned before the third test in perth which starts next thursday. if australia win that test, they will regain the ashes. they haven‘t won in perth for nearly 40 they haven‘t won in perth for nearly a0 yea rs. they haven‘t won in perth for nearly a0 years. things aren‘t about to get any easierfor them, a0 years. things aren‘t about to get any easier for them, victoria. a0 years. things aren‘t about to get any easierfor them, victoria. it will take a big swing for england if they are to turn the ashes series around. cheers, hugh. more from hugh throughout the morning, of course. this morning 52% of you voted for it, but now making it happen is proving a little tricky . brexit talks are stalling over the issue of the northern ireland border with the government trying to find a way to reconcile what it planned to agree with the eu, with the demands of the democratic unionist party? whether you voted to leave or remain, what do you think about how the negotiations are being handled? orange voted and campaign for

remain, ithink orange voted and campaign for remain, i think the gauche asians are going pretty shockingly, in recent weeks, we have seen the line of theresa may. -- i dink —— i dink the negotiations are going pretty shockingly. i don't know where we go from here. really conservative councillor for essex, i supported remain during the referendum, i think negotiations are really ha rd referendum, i think negotiations are really hard and complex. there are some common ground for ourselves and those we are negotiating with. soon. there is a deadline of next week, on

the first phase, d—link theresa may is capable of finding a solution full. i think we have seen what progress do you see being made on the border issue? so much noise and discussion over the last couple of days shows that we are close to a solution. and apps there are others that do not want us getting as close as we are getting and getting as good a deal as we are getting and trying to throw obstacles in the way. at the beginning of the programme you said, theresa may is not a good negotiator. excuse me, my name is patricia gulliver, i come from bromley, i name is patricia gulliver, i come from bromley, lam name is patricia gulliver, i come from bromley, i am a name is patricia gulliver, i come from bromley, lam a member of name is patricia gulliver, i come from bromley, i am a member of ukip, obviously i voted to leave, and i think that... i think it is a complete and utter shambles, when you are negotiating for anything you put your cards on the table, you say, this is what i want, and you let the other person say whether you will get it or not. if you're not

going to get it, and you cannot come to an agreement, you walk away. she said, yes, we will go for that, perhaps you did that, but it was the democratic unionist party who support the. it was not the people she was negotiating with, it was the people who she may have would be supporting her. that is now, that has onlyjust supporting her. that is now, that has only just happened, supporting her. that is now, that has onlyjust happened, we are talking about 18 months ago when we have the referendum. we may interrupt our conversation because " b rex it" interrupt our conversation because "brexit" secretary david davis is giving evidence to a select committee in parliament when he will a nswer committee in parliament when he will answer questions about why 58 impact assessments, assessments on different sectors of the economy after brexit, have not been released in full, some bits have been edited out or redacted, or whatever adjective you have used. we dip into that when he starts talking.

introduce yourself. my name is stuart, i come from mornington, i voted to leave, but i think negotiations have become a bit muddled. we have a rough idea where we will go, but the northern ireland border is more of an issue as you say with the dup partners. seems to me. overall, that should not be a problem, because there should be a natural majority for agreement to be passed in parliament, without having to go through the governing party. who can see a solution that politicians may not have seen. my name is danny. masters student, warwick university, i voted leave, i think the solution is that

eventually, theresa may agrees to everything the eu is asking for. this is not a negotiation, she does not have much wiggle room around their red lines, she has already given up what she said she would not given up what she said she would not give up as a financial settlement, david davis, last year, said he would not agree to that, now it looks like they have agreed to it. the way to solve the problem is to agree with what the eu wants, and move the process forward in that way. he wants britain to stay in the eu. that is not what they are saying to us, at the moment, we have said, you voted to leave so you can leave, this is how we will go about negotiations. until the irish issue is settled, we cannot move forward. do you think that is fair enough? do you think we can move forward with some kind of fudged words, so we can sort out the irish border issue later on down the line.|j sort out the irish border issue later on down the line. i don't think the eu have made it easy for the uk in these negotiations but i don't think that was the role of the eu, the role of the eu was to

protect its own interests, role of the uk is to protect its own interest. people upset about the way the eu have han handled negotiations, they should not be upset, if you are going to throw people into chaos, do not be surprised how they defend themselves. the irish issue is not a real issue. i see a lot of investments coming into... i was remain, but now i have changed my mind, having seen what has happened to the markets, investment into the united kingdom. you cannot wait for britain to get out. i can wait because it cost a lot of money to negotiate, but the dup issue is a ruse, anyone who has done any negotiations will know, the easiest thing in the world to do is say, it is not me, it is the people behind me making things difficult, give me more concessions. we know the europeans do not want a border, we do not want a border but it is the best leveraged we have got to say, it is the dup. you are saying arlene

foster of the dup is making it ? foster of the dup is making it 7 no,| foster of the dup is making it up...? no, ithink the foster of the dup is making it up...? no, i think the negotiating tea m up...? no, i think the negotiating team is saying to the eu, we have difficulties back home in closed rooms. i'm not sure that is right, she was having lunch with jean—claude juncker, it was she was having lunch with jean—claudejuncker, it was coming to an end. before that... a call that she was not expecting. every negotiation, is when somebody else, then your hands are tied. negotiation, is when somebody else, then your hands are tiedlj negotiation, is when somebody else, then your hands are tied. i am interested you have changed your mind. because of the effects on the industry you work in... notjust my industry. because of the falling pound, what difference has it made. more broadly, beyond what i do as a fund manager, when i look at the investments coming back to the united kingdom, to london, people like facebook, google, apple, the falling pound has made it cheaper for overseas investors to invest here. when i am out in singapore, hong kong, india, iwas so here. when i am out in singapore, hong kong, india, i was so shocked how clea n hong kong, india, i was so shocked how clean they are to invest because the pound has dropped, we still have all the talent in the uk, this is

not rhetoric, because i was remain. i speak to businesses, they are so pleased with getting out of what they see as a protectionist group in europe, so that they can invest in this country. money talks, you know what, they are invested. this country. money talks, you know what, they are investedlj this country. money talks, you know what, they are invested. i am an executive director at an official remain campaign in organisation, london first, you talk about talent, by no objective measure of these talks going well for theresa may at the moment. —— london first. she has in hergift one the moment. —— london first. she has in her gift one thing she can do, thatis in her gift one thing she can do, that is to provide unilaterally assurance that the 3 million eu citizens currently living here will have the right to remain after we leave. how big an issue is that for london businesses? huge issue for all businesses, eu workers doing brilliant things, all around the country. brilliant business owners, paying taxes, creating jobs. what she could do, and this would

strengthen her arm in negotiations, it would be such a gesture of goodwill, unilaterally say, we are going to enshrine in law the customs date and exactly what those rights are going to be for eu workers currently here already. we can see david davis now, the labour chair of their... we will cross to david davis right now, we will cross to it now. 58 sectoral impact assessments exist, so is it your contention that the reason why you have not handed over the impact assessments is because you do not have them? there isa because you do not have them? there is a formal set published by the better regulation task force, or unit, which lays out what they are. that is not the form of the sectoral

analysis, the sectoral analyses, which were started back in 2016, are essentially looking at what the industries consist of, looking at the size of them in terms of revenue and capital and employment and is on i and capital and employment and is on ,itis and capital and employment and is on , it is the underpinning of a lot of policy but it is not a forecast of the outcome of leaving the european union or indeed various options thereof. that is the first thing. i think that point has been made, to the house, in the motion. it has been made by me, previously, in this committee, and in the european union committee, and in the european union committee, and in the european union committee, and so on. what we are trying to do is give as best we could under the conditions i specified. without undermining our

negotiating position, and without compromising commercial confidentiality, or sensitivity, market sensitive data and so on, and thatis market sensitive data and so on, and that is the instruction i gave to my department. it is the instruction i gave out to the rest of whitehall. rememberthe gave out to the rest of whitehall. remember the analysis are spread out over whitehall, the ownership of the information is all over whitehall. that is why we did what we did to give you the closest we could come to the house of commons motion. just to the house of commons motion. just to be clear, has the government undertaken any impact assessments on the impact of leaving the eu for different sectors... what we do have, the treasury has an od are

forecast, which has an indication... even that is pretty crude. —— odr. that is pretty crude, it is done from the average of all the external forecast. there is no systematic impact assessment. so, the arts to the question is no, the government has not undertaken any impact assessments on the locations of leaving the eu for different sectors of the british economy. so there is not one, for example, on the automotive sector. is there one on aerospace? not that i'm aware of. financial services? it is going to be no, to all of them. doesn't it strike you as rather strange, given the experience around the committee that you have, the government into takes impact assessments on all sorts of things, all the time, that on most fundamental change we are facing as a country, you have told

us, the government has not undertaken any impact assessments at all, looking at the impact on individual sectors of the economy. the first thing to say is, when these analyses were initiated, they we re these analyses were initiated, they were done to understand the effect of various options. what the outcome would be. we don't need to do an impact assessment, a former impact assessment, to understand that if there is a regulatory hurdle between our producers and market that it will have an impact, and effect. the assessment of that affect, i have said to you before, is not as straightforward as people imagine. i'm nota straightforward as people imagine. i'm not a fan of economic models, they have all proven wrong. when you have a paradigms change, as happened in 2008, financial crisis, all the models were wrong. the queen famously asked, why did we not know!

similarly, what we are dealing with here, in every outcome, whether it isa here, in every outcome, whether it is a free—trade agreement, whether it isa is a free—trade agreement, whether it is a wto outcome or something in between those points on the spectrum, it is a paradigms change. we know in terms not the scale, not the size, but the magnitude order of impact. the second point to make, when we started... i am now calling it impact... when we started the analysis, i did not know in my mind whether we would end up doing a negotiation sector by sector. that was the first thing to understand, separate negotiation for automotive, separate negotiation for automotive, separate for financial services and so on. separate for financial services and so on. let's say asset managers. we

did not know that at the time. it became clear quickly that that was not going to be the approach, the timetable available to work, and we served the negotiating process, was an overarching free—trade deal. individual sector analyses will not be informative on it necessarily, they are informative as to who is vulnerable, we welcome back to that with regional effects, it is important that it is vulnerable, but the impact assessment, as you turn it, piece by piece... —— as you turn it. “ as —— as you term it. we will do the best we can to quantify the effect of different negotiating outcomes as we come to it. we have not yet started phase two, yet. in particular, we will try to assess... we will try and assess the effect of

various we will try and assess the effect of various outcomes we will try and assess the effect of various outcomes in terms of the over arching manufacturing industry, agricultural and so on. we'll do that a little closer to the negotiating timetable. now they fall precisely in that area which i have described as negotiation sensitive. so if, for example, i had two options for an industry, a and b that i'm negotiating with the european union and one will be beneficial to the tune of 50 billion, just picking that number out of the air and the other option will be negative by 10 billion, i'm not going to publish that just before i go into the negotiation with the commission. right. now, when they come, i can tell you they are there, but i can't give them to the committee at that point. well, i will come on to what you haven‘t given us, but you have just said you haven‘t done that work yet. you‘ve said there are no impact decisions. you were hoping that at the october council, the door would be open to

phase two of the negotiations where the question would be asked ok, so what does the british government want? are you actually telling us that the government hadn‘t at that point and still hasn‘t, under taken the assessment that you‘ve just described which you say we will do at some point when you are hoping at the december council to open the door to phase two? i reiterate the point to you mr chairman. the strategy we decided back way before the october council, before march, indeed before the triggering of article 50, was that we would go for an overarching, article 50, was that we would go for an over arching, comprehensive trade deal. that will cover all sectors, not one sector and within it, will bea not one sector and within it, will be a financial services sector, and there will be some other tiers, some specific ones like data and so on. some of them you can't quantify. you cannot quantify the impact of data, but it is a high effect impact. i haven't quite finished, mr chairman.

therefore, the usefulness of such a detailed impact assessment is near zero and given how we were stretching our resources to get where we were at the time, then it was not a sensible use of resources. right, now if you‘re saying the usefulness of that is near zero, why did you tell the foreign affairs committee on 13th september 2016, andi committee on 13th september 2016, and i quote, "there is the analysis, they are working through about 50 cross cutting sectors what is going to happen to them." that sounds like an impact assessment. what did lord bridges when he told the subcommittee on 13th october 2016 when he said, "we have cemented the uk economy into roughly 100 production sectors. we have looked at those to understand the size and contribution that each of these sectors makes to the economy and used that to support our analysis of

the impact on them of brexit." now that sounds very clear to me that the government has been looking at the government has been looking at the impact on individual sectors and yet you‘ve told us a moment ago that you haven‘t done that yet. which is it? either it has happened or it hasn‘t? it? either it has happened or it hasn't? we are talking september 2016. we were in existence over a summer, from july, august, september. we were still looking at that point at what strategy we would undertake. and so that's the first thing. the second thing is... studio: let's thing. the second thing is... studio: let‘s leave david davis as he is being questioned by labour‘s hilary benn. julie says, "this is painful. mr davis is saying the government hasn‘t done the preparation needed to do itsjob." norman smith has been listening. how do you read it? i thought the most striking, i don‘t know if you saw hilary benn as he was listening to david davis and his mouth was, he was stunned that there are no impact

assessments on the effect of brexit on key areas of the uk economy, saying what about the auto motive sector and what about aerospace, what about financial services. david davis is saying no, no, his argument they have got so much to do with brexit it would be a waste of their resources to start compiling the reports and they are trying to get some huge over arching trade deal so they don‘t want to get bogged down in individual areas. however, they don‘t want to get bogged down in individualareas. however, i guarantee you there will be plenty of brexit critics who will say this just goes to show the government hasn‘t got a clue what it is doing. it hasn‘t done work to see what the impact will be on major parts of the british economy. so i suspect there is going to be a right old row about this. cheers, norman, thank you. right, ok. back to our mini audience of voters, both leave and remain voters. a number of business people.

how do you react to the news that there are no individual sectoranal sis on the car industry and on financial services, we don‘t know what the impact of brexit will be on those areas? well, of course, those sectors have been doing their own work and there is barely a business in the land that hasn‘t done come sinned of forecasting... in the land that hasn‘t done come sinned of forecasting. .. how do you react to this confirmation from the brexit secretary that the government hasn‘t been doing this work? brexit secretary that the government hasn't been doing this work?m brexit secretary that the government hasn't been doing this work? it is surprising. i don‘t think many of us could get away with pretending that we have done something and then having to admit we haven‘t done something. i don‘t think business will react kindly. the biggest impact on business is impact on talent. businesses need to know whether they are going to be able to keep their eu workers here or not. how do you react to the fact that david davis is saying the government has not under taken an assessment on a sector by sector basis of the impact of brexit? hi, i'm from

chingford in north london. as a businessman, i can tell you for sure we are affected. all businesses will be affected by brexit. so it doesn't matter to you? it doesn't matter, yes. how are you being affected? in many ways and also i think all businesses, some who are affected and there will be very, very badly affected. it is good news for the gentleman sitting next to you. in what way are you being affected as a small businessman? it is difficult to find the staff now to work. it's very difficult to, as naomi said, it is very, very difficult in many, it's... is very, very difficult in many, it's. .. i want is very, very difficult in many, it's... i want to is very, very difficult in many, it's. .. i want to get more reaction from you. you say it's difficult to get staff now. before we get into that. i want to get reaction to the fa ct that. i want to get reaction to the fact that the government have confirmed they haven‘t done the sector by sector assessments. we need to know what is going on.

particularly if we end up crashing out of the eu which will be a nightmare scenario if we are honest with each for the economy. what david davis seemed to be saying is, there is so many different options, you know, there is walking away without a deal, there is the various things that have been discussed, there is no point doing a sector by sector assessment because it wouldn‘t be accurate? sector assessment because it wouldn't be accurate? he is being dishonest. there is a catalogue of quotes which hilary benn was referring to which has mr davis and other people talking about the assessments. i think they thought they wouldn‘t have to reveal them to they wouldn‘t have to reveal them to the public and could big them up. they have done maybe some analysis of sector by sector, but not as a result of the brexit on those sectors, but only on the current stages of those sectors in relation to how brexit should be negotiated. you are a remainor and you are a

conservative councillor, are you taken aback by that? not at all. it is all right for the government not to do their homework?” is all right for the government not to do their homework? i think thilry ben is trying to score political points here. —— hilary benn. ben is trying to score political points here. -- hilary benn. first there were 50 assessments and 58 and now he is disputing the definition ofan impact now he is disputing the definition of an impact assessment. do you think he is being honest in the presentation of what analysis he has done? i think he is being honest. this is a fast—moving negotiation. one of the most complex ever. businesses are doing their own work and i‘m sure providing information in and out of government all the time. the government can help use it to support... we saw the house builders' federation say yesterday we have a housing crisis and unless we have a housing crisis and unless we get certainty for the eu brick layers and plasterers and plumbers we won't be able to build all the

homes we need. i find it quite, almost amusing that we heard from liam fox earlier in this year or la st liam fox earlier in this year or last year, that these negotiations would be the simplest and we see this from david davis. as a labour party member, this is not the strength and stability we were promised. some messages from people watching around the country. david e—mails, "for crying out loud. just call the whole thing off. this is too difficult." sue david davis lied too difficult." sue david davis lied to the eu exit committee." thomas tweets this, "i am not sure i‘m surprised at all that. that the fact that david davis is telling a select committee that the government hasn‘t under taken any sector by sector brexit impact reports. it is entirely consistent with the shambolic trajectory of the

conservatives." you said you had changed your mind. you said you had changed your mind. you were a remainor. you are very, you are looking forward to leaving. iam. you are looking forward to leaving. i am. anyone else changed their mind? i was a leaver, but i would be more for remain now. if there was another vote? yes. i supported a campaign for the another vote? yes. i supported a campaign forthe remain another vote? yes. i supported a campaign for the remain campaign and we have seen the fantastic opportunities that are opening up since we have been negotiating brexit and we haven't left yet. there are opportunities. i was in... do you acknowledge for a lot of people costs have gone up?” do you acknowledge for a lot of people costs have gone up? i was in malaysia only a couple of weeks ago... because of the falling value of the pound. we have had imports substitution. look at your shopping basket and that has not changed in any significant way since because... based on inflation, not on the falling value of the pound. this the short—term, in the long—term. falling value of the pound. this the short-term, in the long-term. this is all about opening us up to the

world so. i went overseas to ma qlas where i was talking to people in calla lump pa. it is easier to do business with them because we share languages and systems. they are investing in battersea. guess what? sorry your holiday was interrupted. does anybody here want another referendum to check the will of the british people is the same as the one? definitely, yes. you want another one. please. there is no need for another referendum. it should be acknowledged twice british people were asked what they wanted to do with europe and the first time they said they were not sure. the second time was a hung parliament.

so, ithink second time was a hung parliament. so, i think it's quite clear that there is no big kind of decision... 0k. there is no big kind of decision... ok. i'm there is no big kind of decision... ok. i‘m going to stop it there. we‘re not going to re—run the old arguments. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you very much. your views welcome. keep them coming this. there are a lot of messages. i‘ll try and read some more before the end of the programme. this morning calls for a new way of working with young offenders to cut levels of reoffending. her majesty‘s inspector of probation, dame glenys stacey, tells this programme she wants to see something called the trauma informed approach rolled out across england and wales. that approach means building a relationship with offenders between the ages of 10 to 18 and working out what has led to their offending before asking them to change their behaviour. sounds like hug—a—hoodie, you might think. our reporter dan clark—neal was exclusively invited along with dame glenys when she went

to see a youth offending team in nottingham who are spearheading this new approach in action. have a watch of the report and tell us what you think. nottingham. it‘s here that the county‘s youth offending team are trying to help young people stop criminal behaviour for good by working with them in a new way. nearly 33,000, 10 to 18—year—olds were cautioned or sentenced for a crime between april 2015 and march 2016 in england and wales. of these, just over three in ten go on to reoffend within a year. but if we look at just those released from custody, that number goes up to nearly seven in ten. the number of young people caught breaking the law for the first time has dropped dramatically over the last decade, from over 100,000, tojust over 18,000.

but those who are committing crimes are doing so again and again. the nottingham youth offending team are using something called a trauma informed approach, meaning the focus is on building a trusting relationship and helping these young people with their troubled backgrounds before asking them to change their behaviour. the woman who‘s in charge of keeping an eye on the services which work to help these young people has brought us here today to find out why she thinks this is the best way to break this cycle. it‘s about taking a step back and really thinking about this much more long—term and sometimes spending many months actually meeting with this young person to build that relationship before you start that more shaping activity. often these young people have not had continuous, emotional relationships in their lives and it can make a very substantial difference. and connor sharman is someone who has felt the benefits

of this new way of working. i was ia, i got caught in my car selling drugs, on heroin. i was in the wrong crowd and ijust tried it. before i knew it, i've got a habit. youth offending teams work to help young people who are in trouble with the law to stop reoffending. they supervise ten to 18—year—olds who have been sentenced by a court, or who have come to the attention of the police because of their offending behaviour, but have not been charged and instead, dealt with out of court. youth offending teams also work with young people who have not committed a crime, but are at risk of doing so. there are 152 of them in england and wales. youth offending teams are organised in different ways in each area, but all of them must have staff from local authority social care and education, the police, the national probation service and local health services. dame glenys stacey is chief inspector of probation.

it‘s herjob to report to government and services which work with all offenders, to prevent reoffending and protect the public. i‘m very keen to know how you think you have been, what is it that works here? it's about building that relationship with them and recognising that it's probably going to be a gradual process. a lot of our young people haven't ever had their achievements celebrated and a lot of the time, their behaviour is attention seeking. i've had quite a lot of young people that can't actually accept praise and part of the work has been allowing them to actually accept compliments and it's ok to be proud of yourself. so a very small number of young people are sentenced to a spell in a youth offenders‘ institution, basically a prison for young people. when they do come out, the intensive work starts then really. so they're monitored quite closely. they'll have a timetable where they have a whole week's worth of programmes which they have to work towards. obviously, if they're not wanting to, then we had to chase them and pick them up and try and make sure. so they are seen very regularly

throughout the weeks for the first couple of months. we are very honest with young people about what information we may have to share. so if a young person came to us for say, a shop theft, but then disclosed they carry knives in the community, our work with them may change slightly because we have to look at kind of risk as well. obviously, if they are in school, there's the risks there, so the staff are made aware of that. so it sounds like a reallyjoined—up approach around this individual. zoe‘s been working for the past decade as part of the nottingham youth offending team and she‘s brought us along to meet connor sharman, who she first met four years ago. zoe, you don‘t work with connor any more, do you? no, my case with connor closed injanuary of this year

following his order being revoked in court on the grounds of good progress. we knew there was a lot of good in connor that we wanted to unearth and everybody stuck at it and he‘s proved us all right. here we are, four years, almost four years since he first came to us and he‘s working full—time and drug—free. connor, tell me about how you came into contact with zoe in the first place. i got put on the youth offending team, yeah, by the court. what was the lowest point for you in that four—year period? probably being on heroin. but you are off that now, aren‘t you? oh yeah, been off it ages. how long have you been working here? i think it is about six and a half months, seven months. i love it. i will stay with it now forever. yeah? as long as he wants me anyway. job for life? yeah. how important was she for you over that four—year period? she's been really good

and she stayed with me when she didn't have to, actually. she didn't have to do, yeah, she stayed with me. i caught up with dame glenys before she left to ask her about some of the things she‘d heard from the team. is there a danger that we are making excuses for offenders to go on and commit crime, because they‘ve had trauma in their childhood that makes it ok? there‘s no excuse here, no excuse at all. i do ask you to think about what it is like to be a child that has never been loved and often that‘s the very child who struggles at school, who gets behind with schoolwork. who was then bullied and then turns to a gang for some sense of belonging. we are not talking about excusing crime here, we are talking about finding the best ways to turn these young people away from crime. almost seven in ten will reoffend once they are released from custody, what is the issue there, why is that happening? well, most young people who offend, thankfully don‘t get into custody. there‘s a lot of work done very early on as the person starts showing some behaviours that might be worrisome, to divert them from court.

if a child or young person is getting to the stage where they are imprisoned, they are pretty unusual. if that individual is left with little help, no money to feed themselves and nothing to guarantee them a roof over their heads, they are very, very likely to reoffend. over the four years that zoe worked with connor to help him stop taking and selling drugs and carrying a knife, he lost his grandmother and his girlfriend rae broke her back in a motorbike accident. do you remember the very first time that you met me? not fully, i do kind of remember, when i was at the centre. i can remember in my head, trying to work out

how to manage that conversation with you because you were under the influence of something. why do you think you ended up in that place in the first instance, why do you think you started taking drugs? just in with the wrong crowd at the time and then... but what led to that, what led to you being in with the wrong crowd? i didn't really have any friends my age. give me some significant events that happened over the course of my involvement with you. getting caught with a knife and four bags of weed and another knife. my grandma dying, taking heroin. obviously rae had that horrific motorbike accident and you gave up everything to care for her as well. when do you think that something clicked and you thought, "that's it, i've had enough, i'm definitely not going back there now"? probably after rae's crash. i thought, i'm never going to go back there again now. i don't know, something just clicked in my head that's not a life to live really, is it? and i have been a bit of a bad lad and a bit careless sometimes,

but i'm really appreciative for everything you've done for me. i'll definitely stay in contact with you. i hope you do. i'm really proud, to see where you were and where you are now, i'm really proud of your commitment and determination. thank you very much. if you work in youth offending, or you‘ve been a victim of a crime by a youth offender, keen to hear your views on this. do get in touch in all the usual ways. this e—mail is really interesting, but last, i spent all my teenage years in detention, or still common young offenders institution. five years in prison after a shoot by cop attempt. then my gender dysphoria was uncovered and i was offered help. i had tried to take my own life from the age of ia. none of

this was investigated. i turned my life around and did not offend again, this was 40 years ago. —— ia. looking at early intervention makes sense. and another tweet, everyone, young and old needs a purpose. next this morning, it was a story that rocked the british establishment and ultimately bought down the government. # she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah... it was the biggest scandal of the 1960s, and christine keeler was the teenager at its centre, who became one of the most recognisable faces of the time. john profumo was the ministerfor war. he and christine keeler had a brief affair. when challenged, he lied about it to the house of commons and was forced to resign. it didn‘t help that yevgeny ivanov, a russian spy, had also been seeing christine keeler, leading to claims of a security risk. harold macmillan‘s government was left reeling,

but christine always claimed she was a victim. i wish that at that time i had been older, so that i would have been able to have answered or spoke up for myself. and stephen. but i was only a young girl. stephen was stephen ward, an amateur artist and society osteopath with a string of celebrity clients and an attraction to beautiful women. he introduced christine keeler to profumo, and later took his own life when charged with living off immoral earnings. she always denied being a prostitute. she left school at 15. her childhood home had been a pair of converted railway carriages. she had a child at 17 who died days later, and then lived with peter rackman, a notorious slum landlord. later a boyfriend was charged with assaulting her, and christine keeler lied in court. she was jailed for perjury. in the years that followed,

she tried to reinvent herself. she wrote a column for the men‘s magazine men only. no, i don‘t agree with prostitution. by the bins. she lives here. she owns the shop around the corner. and there were three books one filmed as scandal. i never felt better. i think that‘s just some press said that, but i never felt better. maybe they were hoping i was, but not at all, i haven‘t felt bitter. i‘m pleased that the truth can come out now, so that perhaps to stop all sorts of dreadful stories that were going to be made up. but she was often broke, and two marriages ended in divorce. she was 75 when she died. her son told the bbc she was always a fighter, but sadly lost the final fight against a terrible lung disease. christine keeler never really recovered from the scandal.

when her son announced her death he said she‘d earned her place in history "but at a huge personal price." let‘s find out more about her now by talking to sandra howard. she was a model in london and new york in the 60s, later writing a novel called tell the girl, drawing on her experiences. many of our audience will be learning about christine keeler now, she was young, she was 19, still a teenager. she thought about this huge personal price, her son did, is that there are enough.|j huge personal price, her son did, is that there are enough. i think it is, when you are that age, and you have people in high places, powerful positions, you get swept up in it, glamorous, attractive, people are influencing you. you can sort of understand, really, where she got

too, where she was. she had said, if she had been older, perhaps she would have been able to deal with it a little bit better, what was it like, in then, in those circles? well, it was a creative time, the 19605, well, it was a creative time, the 1960s, an explosion of new talent. and new freedoms. the pill, all sorts of new freedoms. there was a lot going on. women were treated differently... they were treated as playthings. you can take people to court, you can do a lot more, you are more protected as a woman. but back then, you were on your own and had to look after yourself. and if you could not, you are taken advantage of. yes, by those who did not have principles, but if you were young, it was easy to see how it happened. very sad. she did not

seem... she said there... she was not bitter about it, was she, but it did define her life, she could never escape it. so much pub is a too. somebody lied in parliament. —— so much publicity. he did a huge amount for charity for the rest of his life but he had made a big mistake, he had to pay the price... that heightened the interest in the case and in christine keeler, the people she had had her relationship with, they were power. white if that scandal happened now, would it be treated differently? —— if that scandal happened now, would it be treated differently? a lie in parliament would still be a huge scandal, but i think... i think it would still get publicity. huge scandal, but i think... i think it would still get publicitym

huge scandal, but i think... i think it would still get publicity. it is the line, it is the line that is the thing... and a suicide, all sorts of things that caused it to become a great sort of drama and scandal, it was a scandal, and it was a time when there was more stigma, more scandals, as well, even. we are used to scandals now(!) potentially immune to them. sadly, yes. thank you very much forjoining us. we will bring you the latest news and sport in a moment, before that, the weather forecast. bottom there is a lot going on with the weather. for the next 2a hours, it is all about storm caroline, but it is all about storm caroline, but it will turn much colder with the risk of some snow and also ice. for the rest of today, we will continue to see some rain moving its way

through northern ireland and into the west of scotland in particular. later on, north wention, wales and the south—west. towards the eastern areas, it is likely to stay dry. a few bright spells here and there. maximum temperatures ten or 12 celsius. the winds picking up all the while. gales expected around the irish sea coasts and western scotland. severe gales by the end of the night. rain continuing to spread its way further south and eastward throughout the united kingdom. but it‘s thursday when storm caroline which is situated to the north will give gusts. of of wind up to 80mph in northern parts of scotland. that‘s likely to cause damage and destruction. clearer skies for many of us, but with it showers and turning colder with the risk of snow in scotland, northern ireland, north—west england and north wales. there is a lot going on. hello. it‘s wednesday, it‘s 10.02am, i‘m victoria derbyshire. our top story today —

a man is due to appear in court over an alleged plot to kill the prime minister, theresa may. we‘ll get the latest from court. will addressing the causes of what drives young people to commit crimes help cut youth offending rates? the chief inspector of probation tells us why she‘s in favour of this approach. i do ask you to think about what it‘s like to be a child that has never been loved. and often that‘s the very child that struggles at school, who gets behind with schoolwork, who is then bullied and then turns to a gang for some sense of belonging. we will talk to people who have been through the programme and how it has helped turn their life around. if you have been a victim of crime by a youth offender or you were an offender in your youth, let me know your views on this approach. russia won‘t be competing at next year‘s winter olympics in south korea although some of its athletes can under the olympic flag.

we will get reaction from british athletes who are celebrating the news. good morning. here‘s ben brown in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today‘s news. a man is expected to appear in court shortly over an alleged plot to kill the prime minister, theresa may. the bbc understands naa‘imur zakariyah rahman, 20, from north london, is accused of planning to bomb the prime minister with a knife. he is due to appear at westminster magistrates‘ court, in central london. a second man will be charged with a terrorism offence. the brexit secretary, david davis, has admitted for the first time that the government has not carried out any formal assessments of the impact of leaving the eu on sectors of the uk economy. the admission came in the last half hour, during questioning by the committee of mps looking at the uk‘s exit from the eu. so the government hasn‘t undertaken any impact assessments on implications of leaving the eu for different sectors

of the british economy. so there isn‘t one, for example, on the automotive sector? on the? automotive sector. no, not that i'm aware of, no. is there one on aerospace? not that i'm aware of. no. one on financial services? i think the answer is going to be no to all of them. no to all of them? right. norman smith has been explaining why the government had not conducted these assessments? his argument seems to be they have got so much to do with brexit, it will be a waste of their resources to start compiling these reports and secondly what they are trying to do is get some huge over arching trade deal so they don‘t want to get bogged down in individual areas. however, they don‘t want to get bogged down in individualareas. however, i guarantee you there will be plenty of brexit critics who will say this just goes to show the government hasn‘t got a clue of what it is doing. soi

doing. so i suspect there will be a right old row about this. norman smith there. the white house says president trump is to break with decades of american policy in the middle east and recognise jerusalem as the capital of israel. he‘s also due to begin the process of moving the us embassy tojerusalem from tel aviv, though that may take several years. arab leaders have warned it would be "a flagrant provocation to muslims". the family of an 81—year—old woman has received a £a5,000 pay—out after she was kept alive against her will. brenda grant made a living will stating she feared degradation and indignity more than death after seeing her mum lose independence through dementia. but the george eliot hospital, in nuneaton, warwickshire, misplaced the document and she was artificially fed for 22 months. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30am. thank you for your comments. laura

says, "i have been a youth offending officer previously. i work in probation. in my view the pull of gangs and what they appear to offer people is often too strong to compete with. they offer young people money, a sense of power, a sense of independence and also a sense of independence and also a sense of independence and also a sense of belonging and identity." another viewer says, "i spent most of my work working with young offenders. caused by many circumstances in their young lives and staying with them right through until adulthood. if you don‘t value yourself and if you don‘t feel valued consequences of what you do are not important." thank you for those. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. here‘s some sport now with hugh. england are facing a near impossible job to retain the ashes after another defeat put them 2—0 with

three to play in the series. it took about an hour three to play in the series. it took aboutan hourand three to play in the series. it took about an hour and a5 minutes for england‘s six remaining batsmen to go down in adelaide. chris woakes was out with a second ball of the day before captainjoe root followed without adding to his overnight score. the wickets kept tumbling as well. jonny bairstow the last man to go. england all out for 233. the australians win the second test in adelaide by 120 runs. the way we went about the second innings has proved to everyone really that we're still massively in this series. i think it's as simple as that. we've shown that throughout the two games with periods that we can outperform australia, but just not for five days and that's going to be our challenge really. if we get that right, and we can perform to our ability for longer periods of time then we will win games. simple as that. this morning coming to the game i

thought, you know, if we get one or two wickets before the new ball only 18 overs, 180 runs was a lot of runs. it was pleasing thatjosh 18 overs, 180 runs was a lot of runs. it was pleasing that josh was able to come out and do what he did this morning. i thought his leng was exceptional and to get the wicket of root really put us in a good position and you know i can breathe easily. australia breathing very easy. they have made one change to their squad for the perth test which sta rts their squad for the perth test which starts next. england will look at their options, but the former opening batsman jeffrey their options, but the former opening batsmanjeffrey boycott their options, but the former opening batsman jeffrey boycott says they have no chance of getting back into the series. we have been beaten co mforta bly into the series. we have been beaten comfortably in the end. our hopes are raised every now and again. we had two moments in brisbane when we could have grabbed the initiative, but we weren‘t good enough to do it. we have had a moment here. we have been upa we have had a moment here. we have been up a bit and maybe, but when it

comes to the tough moments, they‘re better than us. there could be tough moments ahead for chelsea. in the knock—out phases of the champions league. they finished second in their groupment they were held to a 1—1 draw by atletico madrid at stamford bridge last night and they could face one of three teems teams in the last 16, two of those are barcelona and paris st germain. manchester united secured top spot in their group. they came from behind to beat spar particular moscow. they trailed at the break before they pulled one back and marcus rashford hit the winner a minute later. celtic will be going into the europa league, despite a 1—0 home defeat last night. the manager said the clu b last night. the manager said the club was realistic over its european chances, club was realistic over its european cha nces, co nsta ntly club was realistic over its european chances, constantly working to bridge the gap to europe‘s biggest

clu bs. that‘s all the sport for now, we will have more later on. cheers. russia has reacted angrily to the announcement by the international olympic committee that their athletes will be banned from the winter olympics next year. although russian athletes who can prove they are clean would be allowed to compete in south korea under a neutralflag. it follows an investigation into allegations of state—sponsored doping at the 201a games hosted by russia in sochi. russian athletes should be banned from all competitions including next year‘s olympic games until the country cleans up its act on drugs, according to a major report on doping in athletics. we have found cover—ups, we have found destruction of samples in the laboratories. we've found payments of money in order to conceal doping tests. i've asked the russian athletics federation to answer those allegations by the end of this week. we will look at a range of options, which includes sanctions. one of those sanctions could be the suspension of russia?

it could be the suspension of russia. i fully back the calls to really say to them, you‘re not welcome. you‘re not welcome in sport until you put your house in order, until you make some real, fundamental changes. as a clean athlete, you do start to wonder how many medals you should have been awarded and all the things you've missed out on. everybody seemed to have been involved, from the athletes themselves seemingly up to a government level. it‘s a very shocking day for all of us in the sport. we can speak now to the swimmer, sharron davies, who won silver medal at the 1980 olympics in moscow. hopefully we will talk to swimmer mark foster. and david walsh from the sunday times has investigated doping and spent time working with original whistle—blower, vitaliy stepanov. your reaction sharron davis? very

pleased. i was disappointed for rio. they landed it with the associations. swimming was one of those associations that didn‘t decide to take the russians out and many of our british swimmers lost medals to russians that have twice been positive on drugs test. david walsh, i would echo sharron's comments. i am walsh, i would echo sharron's comments. lam pleased walsh, i would echo sharron's comments. i am pleased that russia are out. it delivers a message to russia that president putin never expected to get. it's a huge embarrassment for russia. it's a real difficulty with his kind of home constituency who will feel their boss has not delivered on this. i think it casts a cloud over the fifa world cup next year because the fifa world cup next year because the head of that world cup has got a ban. he is a former sports minister in russia. he is the current deputy

prime minister and he in russia. he is the current deputy prime ministerand he has in russia. he is the current deputy prime minister and he has got a lifetime ban from the olympic movement because they know that he was up to his neck in this. let me ask you this on the world cup question, how do we know that competition will be free from doping? well, we don't is the honest answer, but what happened in sochi three years ago, when russia was hosting the winter olympics was doping on a scale and a level of organisation and a level of cynicism that really we hadn't seen before. this was worse than east germany because they took the cheating into the actual olympic anti—doping laboratory in sochi. they secreted samples out of that laboratory into an adjoining room, substituted the urine in the samples given by the victorious athletes, put in clean urine and completely corrupted an entire olympic games. i mean russia

finished top of the medal table at sochi and now they're not allowed to compete in korea in the following winter olympics and they become the first country in the history of the olympic movement to be banned from an olympic games. which is, as you say, quite right. you welcome the news as does sharron. mark foster. you have so many titles. you don‘t have an olympic medal. do you think you lost out because of cheats? i'll never know, i suppose. i was around in the late 80s when it was right for east germany. i suppose naively i always thought it was a level playing field and everyone i was up against was doing the same as me and that was being clean. in the 2000s, they are doing it now and getting away with it and they were getting away with it and they were getting away with it and they were getting away with it, what were they doing then? i'mjust away with it, what were they doing then? i'm just pleased for everybody now a days that this has come up. this has happened and the ioc have

takena stand. this has happened and the ioc have taken a stand. it's something that needs to be done because there are athletes that do do it cleanly and should it should be a clean level playing field. it shouldn't be with about who can cheat and who can take advantage of everybody else. david walsh said it was worse than what east germany were doing. do you think you lost out on medals because you were competing at the time a number of east germans were? all of my silver and bronze medals were behind east germans. yes, absolutely. my main olympic one was absolutely. my main olympic one was a silver behind one east german and we have the rlts of what she was taking and when she was taking it and she admitted it herself and the ioc have done nothing about that period whatsoever. it is frustrating. they often really shirk their responsibility with regards to drugs in sport and i think now they are being forced to do what they should have been doing for a long time. you have to understand also there are two groups of people here

that the ioc should be looking after, clean athletes who are trying to compete on a level playing field, but the other athletes are the withins coerced into taking things and we don‘t know what long—term side—effects there are. the east german athletes had nasty drugs which affected their lives forever. mark, do you accept there will a lwa ys mark, do you accept there will always be cheats? even with a deterrent like this from the ioc, there will be somebody who thinks there will be somebody who thinks the stakes are so high, it is worth cheating? worth cheating? the stakes are so high, it is worth cheating? worth cheating ?|j the stakes are so high, it is worth cheating? worth cheating? i think that you are right, i don't want to drag it up, i am a great love of football, when i watch them falling over, trying to gain advantage through getting penalties, trying to get players sent off through cheating, feigning injury, it irritates me, cheating... cheating is not ok, it is not about getting away with what you can get away with. yeah, money, power, politics,

of course, politics in sport should be put together... the athletes themselves, i think, be put together... the athletes themselves, ithink, try be put together... the athletes themselves, i think, try to do it to themselves, i think, try to do it to the best of their ability and the best person wins. you are right, if there is going to be money, financials, which they're generally is, then... and i do not always blamed those people in those teams who say, if you want to be part of this team, you have got to do this. i blame this team, you have got to do this. iblame them, this team, you have got to do this. i blame them, but i do not blame them, because they are naively thinking, this is what the rest of the world is doing, this is what they are told by their country, so they are told by their country, so they will get involved. some of the chinese athletes, they were told, if you want to be on the national team, you want to be on the national team, you will be looked after, you will get a nice flat, your family will be looked after, why would they not do what is offered to them. this is the start of it. we start with this, banning federation, huge move, hopefully the message will filter down that cheating is not acceptable. he spent time with the

original whistle—blower, vitali stepanov, have you spoken with him, what does he think of this news? we we re what does he think of this news? we were in contact last night, the tully is very pleased, but there is a couple of points that should be made here, because this morning around the world, people are feeling, the russians are terrible, so cynical, so corrupt, it is great that they have been banned by the end to lash —— banned by the international olympic committee. people should remember that the whistle—blower who first came out and risk his life to expose this was and risk his life to expose this was a russian, and they had to flee russia, they had to leave, they have never seen theirfamily russia, they had to leave, they have never seen their family members, they are living in a strange country for them. vitaly stepanov and yuliya

ste pa nova. for them. vitaly stepanov and yuliya stepanova. what russia did when they we re stepanova. what russia did when they were exposed as a cheating country was to say, what we are doing is basically what everyone else is doing. and we were shown that our own athletes, british athletes, american athletes, german athletes, we re american athletes, german athletes, were using therapeutic use exemptions in very suspicious circumstances. and we were not whiter than white, i would liken it to... in some countries you have a straightforward corruption, in others, you have what i would call legal corruption, very unethical behaviour, that is considered legal. i don‘t want to go over the therapeutic usage exemptions but you know that they would all say they we re know that they would all say they were playing by the rules, and until the rules change... anyway, i am going to pause that there are, thank you, david, mark. sharon, serena williams

is planning on entering the australian open injanuary, four months after giving birth. the great thing about swimming, it isa the great thing about swimming, it is a fantastic thing to do, and exercise to do while you are pregnant full. as a supreme athlete, i cannot imagine she would not want to get back into shape. but when you become a mother, priorities change a little bit, so, it becomes a different thing. i have no doubt she will still be an incredible champion but maybe her mind will be somewhere else. thank you very much. thank you very much forjoining us. still to come, how worried are you about debt over xmas? our personal finance correspondent is here to discuss new research that says money worries are on the rise. this morning we‘ve been hearing calls for a new way of working with young offenders to cut levels of reoffending. her majesty‘s inspector

of probation, dame glenys stacey, tells this programme she wants to see something called the trauma infformed approach rolled out across england and wales. in essence that approach means building a relationship with offenders between the ages of 10 to 18 and working out what has led to their offending before asking them to change their behaviour. sounds like "hug—a—hoodie" you might think. our reporter dan clark—neal was exclusively invited along with dame glenys when she went to see a youth offending team in nottingham who are spearheading this new approach in action, we bought you his full film earlier. here‘s a short extract. zoe‘s been working for the past decade as part of the nottingham

youth offending team and she‘s brought us along to meet connor sharman, who she first met four years ago. zoe, you don‘t work with connor any more, do you? no, my case with connor closed injanuary of this year following his order being revoked in court on the grounds of good progress. we knew there was a lot of good in connor that we wanted to unearth and everybody stuck at it and he‘s proved us all right. here we are, four years, almost four years since he first came to us and he‘s working full—time and drug—free. connor, tell me about how you came into contact with zoe in the first place. i got put on the youth offending team, yeah, by the court. what was the lowest point for you in that four—year period? probably being on heroin. but you are off that now, aren‘t you? oh yeah, been off it ages. how long have you been working here? i think it is about six and a half months, seven months. i love it. i will stay with it now for ever. yeah? as long as he wants me anyway. job for life? yeah. how important was only for you over that four—year period? she's been really good and she stayed with me

when she didn't have to, actually. she didn't have to do, yeah, she stayed with me. over the four years that zoe worked with connor to help him stop taking and selling drugs and carrying a knife, he lost his grandmother and his girlfriend rae broke her back in a motorbike accident. do you remember the very first time that you met me? not fully, i do kind of remember, when i was at the centre. i can remember in my head, trying to work out how to manage that conversation with you because you were under the influence of something. why do you think you ended up in that place in the first instance, why do you think you started taking drugs? just in with the wrong crowd at the time and then... but what led to that, what led to you being in with the wrong crowd? i didn't really have any friends my age. give me some significant events that happened over the course of my involvement with you. getting caught with a knife and four bags of weed and another knife.

my grandma dying, taking heroin. obviously rae had that horrific motorbike accident and you gave up everything to care for her as well. when do you think that something clicked and you thought, that's it, i've had enough, i'm definitely not going back there now? probably after rae's crash. i thought, i'm never going to go back there again now. i don't know, something just clicked in my head that's not a life to live really, is it? and i have been a bit of a bad lad and a bit careless sometimes, but i'm really appreciative for everything you've done for me. i'll definitely stay in contact with you. i hope you do. i'm really proud, to see where you were and where you are now, i'm really proud of your commitment and determination. thank you very much. dan clark—neal reporting.

bob neill is a conservative mp and chair of the justice select committee. here from trailblazers, a national charity that aims to reduce re—offending among young adult offenders by mentoring them in and then out of prison are chief executivejohn shepherd. mentorjohn owen and mentee barry o‘shea who has been in and out of prison many times since 2003, and is now working successfully as a personal trainer. that me put some figures to you, from what has happened in nottinghamshire, they have seen a big drop in the number of youth reoffending, from 3309, in 2005, two 615 in 2015. what you think of that? —— to 615 in 2015. what you think of that? -- to 615. very powerful evidence.

we found very distinctly that maturity goes on until about 25, there are problems with people‘s lives, a lack of resilience, that does require a distinct approach when you are dealing with young offenders in that situation but if you get it right as they are in nottinghamshire, you get to a stage where people are capable of turning their lives around, it reinforces very strongly the evidence given to the committee last year. national figures put reoffending by all recent ex—prisoners as costing the economy between nine and £13 billion every year. when you take that into account as well... it makes you wonder, does it not, as a conservative mp, what your government, in power since 2010, have not been investing. governments of all parties have got to take

account of that, this is an issue that has been talked about for the last 20 years or more. why does no one want to put their money where their mouth is. one of the problems is it is too easy to fall into the populist line of saying, you know, in crude terms, lock them up and throw away the key, that is not exactly what happened, but there is an unwillingness to recognise that even when people do wrong and commit serious offences, nonetheless, particularly when they are young, with the right interventions and investment upfront as we have been talking about, it can turn their lives around. it makes sense in economic terms. quite interestingly, other centre—right governments in germany and netherlands and some parts of the us have recognised that and our government will as well. john, and john, and barry, really interesting in this relationship between mentors and mentallymentees.

you use this with adult offenders, the nottinghamshire scheme is for ten to 15—year—old, talk about how you helped barry. barry is my fourth mentee. i had been leading up to him inaway... mentee. i had been leading up to him in a way... is he your favourite? laughter my laughter my longest relationship, we have been working together for 18 months. that is meeting every week, three months while he was in wandsworth prison, for the rest of the time, since he has been released. what do you talk about in those meetings? barry is the focus of those meetings, so he tends to lead, it is what he wants to talk about. can we read create one of those meetings? you meet, one of your weekly meetings, 18 months, two years ago. —— recreate. meetings, 18 months, two years ago.

-- recreate. right at the beginning? when we are out ofjail... well, we often go to nando‘s! when we are out ofjail... well, we often go to nando's! laughter you have ordered whatever, would you have an alcoholic drink? nonalcoholic. what would you say? we would begin discussing, what i have been doing. am i hitting my goals, how work is going. if i am not feeling great, to keep pushing forward... what sort of goals? when we first met, back in... 18 months ago... we sent down every week and set up goals for me to hit, six months to a year, a sickly, get a job... get back to doing things i enjoy... get a diploma... back into work... discuss how things are going. when we had done the goals... we did a letter, 12 months later, i hit all of them, apart from one. it was good. did you feel you were

being listened to, were you being encouraged? more like support, really, without him being there... support... emotional support? advice? if you want to get a diploma in that, apply there. emotional and... support in every way. if something is going bad... he made it better, he made the situation better. we have not... every time i thought something was going to go back, he was able to help me understand how it was going to go good, and since then it has always worked out. have you had the same success with previous mentees? barry has been the longest relationship. i feel it is still an on going relationship. let me ask john. clearly you are doing this,

with 18 to 25—year—olds, with what kind of success rate because that‘s what people always ask. i gave the figures for the nottingham scheme, what about yourself? you advised about the extent of the repo fending problem that we have in this country and it is very significant. our stats show people who have been through the trail blazers mentoring programme reoffend at 15% compared to the national rate. so we really do make a very, very significant impact. and the model that we work with, which is not dissimilar to some of the points of the nottingham one, is it takes time to mentor a young man. you can't do it quickly. so our programmes typically start six months before release. weekly sessions. it takes a while for a relationship to form for trust to be earnt and. given and then you can build on that relationship and take people through what is a very

significant transition from custody into the community afterwards. i would like to talk about this all day, but we can‘t. i really appreciate you coming in. still to come, combating the problem of fake news — we‘ll take a look at a new bbc initiative to help young people filter out false information. serena williams is going back to work after giving birth a few months ago. time for the latest news, here‘s ben brown. a man‘s expected to appear in court shortly over an alleged plot to kill the prime minister, theresa may. the bbc understands naa‘imur zakariyah rahman, 20, from north london, is accused of planning to bomb downing street security gates and then attack the prime minister with a knife. a second man will be charged

with a terrorism offence. the brexit secretary david davis has admitted for the first time that the government has not carried out any formal assessments of the impact of leaving the eu on sectors of the uk economy. the admission came earlier this morning, during questioning by the committee of mps looking at the uk‘s exit from the eu. so the government hasn‘t undertaken any impact assessments on implications of leaving the eu for different sectors of the british economy. so there isn‘t one, for example, on the automotive sector? on the? automotive sector. no, not that i'm aware of, no. is there one on aerospace? not that i'm aware of. no. one on financial services? i think the answer is going to be no to all of them. no to all of them? right. the white house says president trump is to break with decades of american policy in the middle east and recognise jerusalem as the capital of israel. he‘s also due to begin the process of moving the us embassy tojerusalem from tel aviv, though that may take several years. arab leaders have warned it

would be "a flagrant provocation to muslims". the family of an 81—year—old woman has received a £a5,000 pay—out after she was kept alive against her will. brenda grant made a living will stating she feared degradation and indignity more than death after seeing her mum lose independence through dementia. but the george eliot hospital, in nuneaton, warwickshire, misplaced the document and she was artificially fed for 22 months. tens of thousands of people have been forced to flee from the path of wildfires in southern california. hundreds of buildings have been destroyed by the blazes and several thousand homes are under mandatory evacuation in the cities of ventura and santa paula, north of los angeles. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news. here‘s some sport now with hugh. england lost all of their remaining 6 wickets in the opening session

of the final day of the second ashes test in adelaide. they were bowled out for 233 to collapse to a 120 run defeat in adelaide which puts australia 2—0 ahead, just1 win from regaining the ashes. chelsea missed out on top spot in their champions league group after being held to a 1—1 draw by atletico madrid at stamford bridge last night. it means antonio conte‘s side could face the likes of barcelona or paris st germain in the last 16. manchester united did top theirgroup, coming from behind for a 2—1 win over cska moscow. marcus rashford got the winner. scottish champions celtic were beaten 1—0 at home by anderlecht. they did though hang on to 3rd in the group, meaning they will go into the europa league, manager brendan rodgers said it gave him "immense pride". how worried are you about debt over christmas? are you struggling to afford

it at all this year? this morning there are two separate reports out focussing on debt. our correspondent simon gompertz can tell us more. two big warnings from two of the debt charities who give free advice to people who get into trouble. the first is from some people called step change and they are warning about too many people being given overd rafts that they about too many people being given overdrafts that they can‘t handle. and then getting stuck with the charges. they want action on that. the second from national debt line, you can phone them for help and they are worried about christmas. they are worried about christmas. they are warning that this christmas, more people will be borrowing, going into the red to pay for christmas. how much debt are we brits in what national debt line is saying for christmas, they have gone around asking people and 37% of the people that they asked have said that they are going to pay for presents on credit. so that‘s a big proportion and the obvious way of doing that is by using credit cards and you should

expect during this month of december an extra £1 billion will go on credit cards to pay for christmas and that all has to be paid back and there is an impact on this. they asked people how they felt about it and 1a% said that they worried every day about the cost of christmas. why is it happening? it is happening because partly prices are going up and we know that inflation is 3% at the moment. that‘s the rate at which prices are increasing and it doesn‘t seem so much, but it is the highest for five years and the things we pay for five years and the things we pay for at christmas like food and electronic goods that we give people at presents, they have been rising fastest. it the cheapest christmas meal is up 18% compared to last year. that‘s a big thing and we‘re told that the average family pays about £800 for christmas. that‘s the food, the presents, travelling, all that thing. if you can think of that going up by a significant amount, it‘s a lot of money. going up by a significant amount, it's a lot of money. yes. it really is. ok. happens then? well, you

know, there are going to be a lot more people in january know, there are going to be a lot more people injanuary and february asking for help. you can get that for free from step change, from national debt line and from citizens advice in your town. you can go and get free help if you‘re if trouble. the worry is people just going bust. it is not so much bankruptcy anymore, it is something called an individual voluntary arrangement where you get protection from your creditors and that‘s going up quite fast. if there is this debt pressure coming ot of the christmas season then the danger is there will be more of that going on. thank you very much, simon. we will talk more about this in a moment. let‘s go to westminster. breaking news, norman. westminster. breaking news, norman. we now know that theresa may and arlene foster are speaking on the blower right now! so there is at least a conversation going on although how far they have got to try and resolve this deadlock is pretty unclear because certainly overnight the signs were there was really not much movement from either

side and this morning just talking to some of the dup folk, they were saying, we are not going to rush. we are talking about something which could affect generations to come. it's could affect generations to come. it‘s going to take time. suggesting that they dealt, not in the clocks, but in calendars when it came to time. when you put that together, that suggests there is some way to go before they get some agreement. however, on the plus side they are at least talking on the blower! and that must pave the way, i guess, downing street would hope, for face—to—face contact to try and resolve this impasse because without it, the danger is we run up against the eu council next week with no progress, no deal and then you are looking at the possibility ofjust falling out of the eu without any sort of deal at all. thank you, norman. the clock is ticking or the tick is clocking as i said the other week and you all knew what i meant! let‘s talk to callum bell a mental health nurse who relies on his overdraft to support his family.

baz deacon. he‘s preparing for his first debt—free christmas in 13 years. and jane tulley is from the money advice trust. calum, this, one of the two reports out today suggesting that two million people in britain are stuck ina million people in britain are stuck in a constant cycle of persistent overdraft debt. can you relate to that? yeah, definitely. that's something i experienced probably, it seems to be, it seems to be increasing every month, i‘m dipping a little bit more into my overdraft and that‘s just a regular time of year over christmas time. it‘s even more difficult with the amount of pressure that people are under. i‘m under to be able to afford christmas. i‘m concerned this month that i am going to be over my overdraft which means injanuary i will be starting the month in debt. how will be starting the month in debt. h ow ofte n will be starting the month in debt. how often would you say you worry

about money? it's a regular concern of mine. i am not naturally a worrier, but i seem to be finding myself spending more time sitting looking at my finances, worrying about them, and i‘m, i don‘t think i‘m alone in this. i think there is large, it‘s a problem across the whole of the country where people are increasingly concerned about finances and debt. let me bring in baz. describe to our audience what it‘s like when you‘re thousands of pounds in debt? oh, well, so first of all there is the denial which is don't even notice i am lying. you have an area where you don't admit it to yourself. you put ona don't admit it to yourself. you put on a brave face for everyone. it then goes to stress which is the opposite of denial. when you start to panic and then the full blown fear of are they going to come round and knock on my door? are they going

to send me to prison because of the council tax? what is going to happen andl council tax? what is going to happen and i don't see a way out of this. all those emotions build up. buff managed to chip away at your debt over eight years. how have you done it? yeah. ijoined up with an organisation called christians against poverty. somebody in my church was speaking about it and they were saying, you know, if you wa nt they were saying, you know, if you want to go on this money management course, let us know. i always had that thing of denial and pride. but i thought that thing of denial and pride. but ithought i'm that thing of denial and pride. but i thought i'm going to have to do something. sol i thought i'm going to have to do something. so i spoke to them and joined up on the course. and the first two things they said was what is said in this room, snais this room. and also, the more you put into this, the more you get out of it. also if you need any additional support we can get you a support worker, it isjust a phone call away. in practical terms, worker, it isjust a phone call away. in practicalterms, how did you do it? oh, right. addressed my

issues. i also had this issue of putting unopened envelopes in a box. i had to get rid of that. i had to open up every single letter. you we re open up every single letter. you were buring your head in the sand, but then i have got to confront this? exactly. may i bring in jane from the money advice trust. your report says one in seven britons worry about money every day. is it surprising that it is only one in seven? i think a huge number of people worry about money on a regular basis. at christmas there is this added pressure around it. baz described the emotions that people go through when they are worried about money, the stress associated with it, the constant panic people feel. so advice to people now, we are 6th december, what is your advice now? it is not too late to start planning. budgeting is key. it might sound like obvious advice, but a third don't have a budgets for their christmas planning. so,

setting a budget is key. making sure that you know how much you're going to spend and trying to stick to that. secondly, make sure you don't forget to pay any of your regular bills over the christmas period. very often people will let a bill slip over the christmas period. it's important not to do that because you will have to pay those and then thirdly, really important to make sure that if you are using credit you have plan for how you go about repaying that you have plan for how you go about re paying that and you have plan for how you go about repaying that and then take advice. that's always the key bit as simon said. there is lots of free services available that will help people. baz, thank you. calum, thank you. we appreciate you coming on the programme. thank you. now, serena williams is expected to return to the court at the australia open after giving birth. the 36—year—old hasn‘t played since october. at the age of a0, and mum

of two jo pavy became october. at the age of a0, and mum of twojo pavy became the oldest european champion after winning a medal months after giving birth to her daughter, emily. hi jo. medal months after giving birth to her daughter, emily. hijo. tell me what you think about what serena williams is doing? quarantine it is exciting, it doesn‘t mean she will necessarily compete, i know what it is like, returning from having a baby, sleepless nights, the newborn time is so precious, so i set myself a goal, competing in the trial to try to get in the athletics team for the championships at the time, no thoughts of medals whatsoever, having that goal, thinking, it is a flexible plan, the newborn time is so precious, training became so different on the way back, i was required to have a caesarean. all the breast—feeding,

my first stuff was like a family affair, little baby in the pram, my little boy was on the bike and of course, being on the treadmill, she would not take a bottle for the first five months. times at the track i was doing were terrible but i thought, i don‘t want to put pressure on myself. sounds like immense pressure that you are putting on your shelf, why not take off eight months!” you are putting on your shelf, why not take off eight months! i did not even know if i could return to proper competitive running, but i was still enjoying it, i wanted to see if it could work for me as still having quality family time, that was the most important to me, and i found that a happy balance in my life, the joy of being a mother, that balance made me start to perform better, which was interesting, taking my family training full of a lot of considerations. obviously, when you are pregnant, you keep a little bit of fitness, having to take so many

precautions... the list is endless. coming back from having a baby you have to bear in mind that ligaments are lax from the effects of hormones. i needed to wear a lot of crop tops, for breast—feeding... a lot of body changes... you inevitably put on weight, that is a healthy thing to do for a mother. but, yeah, it is quite soon. serena williams is such an amazing athlete, an amazing competitor. we will see how it goes. she is a great female role model to all women out there. interesting return to sport, i wish her all the best, i‘m sure she will ta ke her all the best, i‘m sure she will take it carefully and she will see how it goes. thank you very much for coming onto the programme. "fake news" has been phrase

of the year for 2017; thanks in part to president trump, it‘s very quickly became part of our vocabulary. and it‘s used by some to describe not only outright lies, but also things people don‘t agree with. fake news. fake news. fake news. little bit of fake news. you fake news! if you want to discover the source of the division in our country, look no further than the fa ke country, look no further than the fake news and the crooked media. which would rather get ratings and clicks than tell the truth! i want you all to know that we are fighting the fake news. it is fake, phoney, fake! mr president—elect. .. the fake news. it is fake, phoney, fake! mr president—elect... not you, not you, your organisation is terrible! your organisation is terrible...! go ahead, quiet... she's asking a question, don't be

rude. don't be rude! don't be rude. i'm not going to give you a question. you are fake news. the bbc is launching a new scheme to help young people identify real news and filter out fake orfalse information. but how much of a problem is fake news? and what effect is it having on the smartphone generation? here to help us fund out are a group of pupils from walworth academy and harefield academy in london and year 12 head clementine wade who‘ll be putting their knowledge of fake news to the test. i think we should start with a show of hands, how many of you who have shared a new story on social media, you found it funny or shocking and had no idea if it was true or not. two of you did not share it, because you did not know if it was true.

well... tell me why. some of the news, i know it is fake, but i don‘t wa nt to news, i know it is fake, but i don‘t want to spread something that is not real. it might influence the way peoplejudge others. real. it might influence the way people judge others.” real. it might influence the way people judge others. i don't really use social media, i don't spread things around, unless it is something i fully believe is true and is something that is shocking... but if it is not something you would believe is true, then i don't see why it is worth spreading it around. for those of you who put your hands up, sharing something funny, hilarious, shocked you, did you care whether it was true or not, hands up if you did not care? thank you for being honest. when you are in the moment, you don't really think, is this real, is this fake, you think,

it is funny. from the human aspect, there is no matter of caring. you have taught lessons about fake media, fake news, talk us through the things you would discuss in class. firstly it is about getting them to understand what fake news is, there is a sense of passive tea in my students, that they do not have questions over what they read is not true, it is assumed automatically that it is true, if they have a problem with their homework, they use google. —— passivity. straightforward assumption. first base, questioning what you are reading and where you are reading it from and who wrote it. then we have lots of discussions over why it is fake news, why this website... why they might be trying to get this idea out there. an interesting idea, maybe this new form of advertising. we have lots of discussion about facebook, and these quys discussion about facebook, and these guys are being sold products continually based on social,

friends, what they previously had google. trying to get them to be active consumers and criticising what they are consuming. example, ta ke what they are consuming. example, take them away. right, ladies and gentlemen, are you ready. the first one we are going to be looking at, from the onion. expose a about hillary clinton, that she is producing a second book explaining why her first book failed. —— the onion. can you put your hands up if you think this is true. five, four, three, two, one... is this true? interesting... chris, hit the blue bulls... because you are correct, it is not true... —— hit the blue bars are —— buzzer. it is not true.

is not true... —— hit the blue bars are -- buzzer. it is not true. this isa are -- buzzer. it is not true. this is a satirical website, why did you not think it was true? does not sound worthy of headline, to be honest. especially from what we have seenin honest. especially from what we have seen in the news, i don't think she would ruin what she has done so far... but you were a little bit unsure, some of you were unsure. does not seem like a headline that would draw a lot of people in, not something people would be interested in full. not punchy enough, interesting. the next one, the daily express... is this true? can we have a blue

buzzer again. how did you know that? in spite of what has been happening this year, you are led to believe that this sort of stuff is quite normal, now. with the pipe bombs, and everything going on this year... concerning ryanair and stuff like this in general, mistakes have been made, for this to be happening, it is not really surprising, in a sense. were you influenced by what chris said, he said, i think it‘s true. i was unsure at the beginning, why would they let the passenger on if they knew... but then he did say,

he did... yeah... you are bang on. we will try to catch them out. this next article... about the prime minister of canada, after hearing about president trump, that he was going to take the presidency, he said he was going to build a wall between canada and the usa, and he will charge that wall to the usa. do you think this is a true headline or a full set line? you think this is a true headline or afull set line? —— you think this is a true headline or a full set line? —— or a false headline. if you think it is true, stick up your hand? it seems plausible... it seems relevant... it sounds like something you would hear in the news. if he is saying about getting back at the us, and trump says about building a wall, trump

could use it against him that he is copying his ideas... i don't think it isa copying his ideas... i don't think it is a true story. because, if he is time to get back at the us, then he would, you know, he would not copy something trump has said. that is something trump could use against him. do you understand... it sounds plausible. that is why lots of people share stuff, which they think might be true. you have to think of the bigger picture, because, personally, i thought, the bigger picture, because, personally, ithought, why the bigger picture, because, personally, i thought, why would he get involved. i thought the wall was more to do with mexico and the us. if you have that knowledge, if you second—guess the article... if you have that knowledge, if you second-guess the article... that is contemporary, this is backdated to the time of the election... very

good. shall we do the final one. this is backdated, again about president trump, a quota that he made in the 1980s. —— a quote that he made in the 1980s. is that true or is that false? you are wrong, you have been fooled. why did you think it was true?” thought it was true because it sounds true... it isjust like the sort of thing that donald trump would say. anyone else? the always talks about other people. we are

almost at the end of the programme, i‘m glad that we caught people out. the bbc launching that initiative. you can read more about it on the website. on the programme tomorrow, we will look at sexual harassment in the modelling industry. have a good day, we are back tomorrow at 9am. well done everybody. the wind is the pick—up. adventure into wells, the south—west of england, north—west england as well. dry and brighter weather, but be

further east you are, the wind beginning to pick up, kills around this irish sea coast into the west of scotland, the rain continued to spread its three further southwards. storm caroline will move its way very close to the north of scotland with its storm force winds in the far north and then the north—east of scotland. elsewhere in rain and strong winds carry away to the east, simply skies and sunshine, it will turn much colder and snow likely to scotland. seeing some snow and temperatures tumbling away. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11:

the prime minister is speaking to the leader of the dup, arlene foster, on the phone. as the british government tries to salvage a brexit deal. the brexit secretary admits for the first time the government has not carried out any formal assessment of the impact of leaving the eu on the different sectors of the economy. automotive sector? no, not that i'm aware of. is there one on aerospace? no. one on financial services? i think that answer‘s going to be no to all of them. no to all of them. the white house says donald trump will today break with decades of american policy and recognise jerusalem as the capital of israel. a man is due to appear in court this morning over an alleged plot to kill