hello. good morning. it's monday, it's nine o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. our top story today — treacherous road conditions and hundreds of schools closed as snow turns to ice. yes, at hasn't stopped, didn't stop snowing until the early hours here, we have had about eight centimetres. i'm in worcester. but in other parts of the west midlands, up to 20 centimetres, and temperatures are dropping, turning the snow to ice, so dropping, turning the snow to ice, so people are being warned to take ca re so people are being warned to take care when they go out today. wherever you are, how is the snow is affecting you. we'll get the latest from our correspondents right across the uk. also on the programme: as the inquiry into the fire at grenfell tower gets under way today, we'll talk exclusively to the leader of the local council and ask her why so many survivors are still living in hotels. we lost lives, some people lost all their families. nobody from the council has ever come and said get them all together, let's sympathise with them.

we'll talk to elizabeth campbell, the conservative leader of kensington and chelsea council, in the next hour. and two of the so—called chennai six tell this programme exclusively they feel betrayed by the british government for failing to do enough to help secure their release. hello. good morning. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11. we will bring you the latest news, sport and interviews. we should also say congratulations to toff, who won i'm a celebrity — some of you may remember her from when she appeared in election blind dates on this programme ahead of the general election. we hope to speak to her on the programme tomorrow. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning. use the hashtag #victorialive,

and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today: snow and freezing temperatures are still causing widespread disruption across parts of the uk. there have been train and plane cancellations, and drivers are being warned that icy conditions are making roads treacherous. hundreds of schools across wales and the midlands will also be closed today. simon clemison reports. 0ur correspondents are in london, worcester a nd 0ur correspondents are in london, worcester and north wales. simon clegg the sun is at heathrow. good morning from a wet and miserable heathrow, but the one thing that is missing, no snow. but there is still disruption, because of the knock—on effect of everything that happened yesterday. runway is not such a problem, it was the de—icing of the planes. quite a few flights of british airways have been cancelled, both long haul and short—haul, so the advice is do not

come here unless you have checked with your airline. rail services disrupted as well, and the roads are the big problem today, because we saw temperatures last night going down to —11.6 in places, and what is happening there is that the snow melted a little yesterday, then refreezing, and that makes a very slippery surface. let's go now to phil mackie in worcestershire. there is a lot more snow here, eight centimetres in the city centre in worcestershire, much more out in the countryside, in parts of staffordshire, shropshire, the black country. up to 20 centimetres of lying snow, meaning hundreds of schools are closed, all of the schools are closed, all of the schools in birmingham, most in those other counties and beyond down into 0xfordshire and even buckinghamshire, schools are closed.

in terms of travel, public transport is running, people are being warned to check before they go and catch a train, but by and large things haven't been badly affected. birmingham airport much like heathrow is dealing with the backlog created yesterday, trying to de—ice the planes. temperatures are dropping, when i arrived it was above freezing and now it has dropped below, which is why people are saying be careful, the snow is turning to ice. because so many schools are shut, it has had the impact of reducing the amount of traffic on the roads, things are running quite smoothly at the moment. several hundred homes around 0xfordshire in particular are still without power, engineers are working to get that back on. a lot of children are having the day off, and i'm sure it will be a

picture perfect day. the trouble is, the temperatures are not going to change much, and probably for the next 2a hours, things won't change much. let's see what it is like now in north wales with matthew richards. the snow has stopped, but temperatures have dropped considerably, and that has caused major disruption, hundreds of schools closed across wales and hundreds of homes now without power. we had 33 centimetres of snow falling at sennybridge in powys in the brecon beacons yesterday, and this is the worst snow to hit parts of wales the seven years. as well as the roads being difficult today, police in north wales are using 4x4 vehicles to transport nhs staff to and from hospitals to make sure patients can still get treatment and things are still running smoothly. the advice to anyone trying to venture out is don't do it unless you have to, and if you have to, make sure you are prepared to deal with any bad conditions with snow shovels and then also blankets to keep you warm and food and drink if you should be delayed any length of time. thank you very much. wherever you are in the uk, let us

know how that snow is affecting you. schools being close can be a pain for mums and dads, so do let us know how you are sorting that out. annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. thank you, victoria. good morning. the chairman of a leading hospital trust in london has resigned — accusing the government of failing to recognise the "enormous challenges" facing the nhs. lord kerslake, who's a former head of the civil service, said king's college hospital trust was struggling to cope with rising demand, increased costs and limits on spending. the regulator for england, nhs improvement, said the trust's financial performance was "the worst in the nhs". a department of health spokeswoman said they were working with the trust to tackle the issues. lord coe slick told this programme that tough decisions need to be made. i don't think we are facing up to the choice is very well, and i really worry that in effect, what is

going to happen here is the nhs we know and love will slowly but surely slip away from us? because it is not getting enough money? because it is not getting the sustained funding over time that it needs to perform. and you can hear victoria's interview with lord kerslake in full at ten o'clock. two days of hearings will begin later to establish the framework of the grenfell tower fire public inquiry. sir martin moore—bick is being urged by survivors of the fire to give them a more central role. it comes as labour leader jeremy corbyn accused the government of failing survivors, with more than 100 still living in hotels. relatives of the victims say it's vital their stories are heard. and victoria will be speaking exclusively to the leader of kensington and chelsea council, elizabeth campbell later this hour, atjust after 9.30. theresa may will tell mps later today that there is a new sense of optimism in the brexit talks, after her last—minute deal aimed at moving them to the next phase.

she will say she expects eu leaders to agree to start talks about future trade and security at a summit on thursday. the prime minister will insist she has not caved in to brussels over the so—called divorce bill. the most destructive of the wildfires raging in southern california has expanded significantly, scorching an area larger than new york city. 4,000 firefighters have been called up to tackle flames which are now threatening the coastal city of santa barbara. hundreds of buildings have been destroyed and damaged and 200,000 people have had to flee their homes. in a further sign of reform in saudi arabia, the government has announced that public cinemas will be allowed in the country from early next year. cinema—going is currently very restricted in the ultra—conservative islamic kingdom. it's the latest in a number of reforms promoted by crown prince mohammed bin salman, including the lifting of the ban on women drivers. the guitarist with the american rock band queens of the stone age

has apologised after a photographer was kicked in the head during a concert. the woman, chelsea lauren, posted a video on social media that appeared to show josh homme kicking her as she took pictures close to the stage, during a performance in california on saturday night. he said he was lost in the performance and thought he was kicking over lighting on the stage. georgia toffolo has been named this year's winner of i'm a celebrity... get me out of here. the reality star, who's best known for appearing on e4‘s made in chelsea, was crowned by ant and dec on sunday night after more than nine million votes were cast. the former hollyoaks star jamie lomas came in second place, with radio and tv presenter iain lee coming in third. and that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. thank you very much. good morning. if you are getting in touch with us, you are very welcome. in a moment we

are going to speak to billy irving and his fiancee yvonne, and nick dunn and his sister lisa. they spent two and a half years injail in india, and they are now back. one of the reasons they are released is because of the relentless campaigning by if an and lisa, because of the relentless campaigning by ifan and lisa, and we're going to talk to them all in just a moment. let's get some sport with jessica creighton. jess, you're reflecting on an eventful manchester derby? good morning. eventful both on and off the pitch after manchester city's victory over neighbours manchester united yesterday. they have opened up an 11 point gap, but there were reports of an altercation between the camps after the match. apparently, milk was thrown, and our reporter simon stone is with me. these teams have been playing each other for these teams have been playing each otherfor more these teams have been playing each other for more than 100 years. the long rivalry has been well documented. but again, on the pitch tensions have spilled over, haven't

they? it was a big game for both sides. and we knew about that in the build—up to the game. manchester united were trying to close the gap, manchester city were trying to get a win that everyone assumes will now window in the premier league title. city won the game 2—1. the manchester united camp viewed the city celebrations as being over the top, i think. city celebrations as being over the top, ithink. the city celebrations as being over the top, i think. the support staff by the tunnel were trying to push pep guardiola towards the fans. and he has said, i don't want to celebrate, that may be well be appropriate for me to do, so he is walking away. that may be well be appropriate for me to do, so he is walking awaylj think he thought it would be a bit too much. united sensed it was too much. the players went back to the dressing rooms. jose mourinho had beenin dressing rooms. jose mourinho had been in the home dressing room and came back out to either speak to the referee or to do his post—match interviews. the manchester city dressing room door was open, and i think it was too much of an open

door, really, forjose mourinho. he couldn't resist saying something, and it all kind of erupted, there was some pushing and shoving. this milk was thrown, it hit a wall, but it hit one of his support staff. it lasted about two minutes, then it all comes down. i think one of the manchester city support staff, mikel arteta, ended up with a cut. it all calmed down the players were 0k afterwards, but it was all a bit unseemly, over the top, after a magnificent win for manchester city. you can understand from just a city's point of view, they have gone 11 points clear at the top of the premier league. is it ever too much celebration when you are that far ahead? i think if you are the team that has lost, it can be deemed, an ordinary celebration can be deemed too much. in the end it is two big teams, the away team won yesterday, and it will have big ramifications for the title race, but i think that is what people will remember the

game orfour, is what people will remember the game or four, for the fact that manchester city won rather than this couple of minutes afterwards and the milk that got thrown against the war. so not too big an incident for you, because this rivalry between the teams is well—documented. back in 2004, more food items were thrown, and the manchester united manager at the time, sir alex ferguson, was hit by pizza. manager at the time, sir alex ferguson, was hit by pizzalj manager at the time, sir alex ferguson, was hit by pizza. i don't think it will go down as the battle of the bogside, which is what the game between manchester united and arsenal did in 2004 —— the battle of the buff buffet. thank you for joining us. i will be back with a full bulletin for you just after ten o'clock. thank you very much. milk was thrown. they are so tough(!) good morning. this morning — two of the so—called chennia six tell this programme exclusively they feel let down and betrayed

by the british government for failing to do enough to help secure their release. billy irving, nick dunn and four other men have spent four years in an indian prison after being charged with carrying unlicensed firearms and ammunition. they have spent two and a half years in indian prison. after years of campaigning, they won an appeal against their convictions last month and were given permission to leave india. we've been following their story for years, both on radio and tv, and can talk now to nick dunn and billy irving in theirfirst live tv interview along, with billy's fiancee, yvonne machugh, and nick's sister lisa, both of whom campaigned relentlessly for their release. hello. nice to meet you. welcome home. welcome home. what is it like to be back? amazing, brilliant to be back as either family again, and to get to see my boy. and reunited with your little boy. i would like to clarify, the weapons were licensed,

and we proved the licenses were there, and the initial, everything was above legal. ijust wanted to clarify that. fair enough. the high court in india has proved as innocent, twice we went through the courts and twice we won, so we have proved we are innocent and were above and everything was legal. thank you for clarifying that. welcome home, nick. it isjust truly amazing, after four years of missing my mam, hearing hervoice amazing, after four years of missing my mam, hearing her voice again, obviously it is not the same, but she will always be the same to me, and basically so great to be back, really. and we saw you giving her the biggest hug at the airport. what did she say to you? is her speech isn't as great as it was four years ago. it was more the emotional feeling than any words can describe. i can't put words into my

mouth. you had to be there to see it and feel it. tell us about being reunited with your little boy who you've met twice effectively? three times in yand. so, i mean going to india, having two hours a day with my son, just having the two days was brilliant, but confined to the small room and all eyes including indian prisoners on, watching, staring, i felt uncomfortable through the process of visits, but again, it was just amazing to see him and then to come back and spend a whole day and him calling me, "daddy. daddy, come here. help me with this." just to get called dad, now i'm starting to feel like a father. i've never had the opportunity since he was born. for me, it has been, you know, quite emotional at the same time. it has been amazing. yvonne, how is it for you having him back home? it's

incredible. it is what we fought for for the last four years. it feels like everything is complete now and lam like everything is complete now and iamjust like everything is complete now and i am just delighted to have him home. he is already doing my head m, home. he is already doing my head in, buti home. he is already doing my head in, but i love it! laughter there must have been times for both of you when you thought this might not happen. it has been strange. at the same time you have got to stay positive. that's why i fought all the way through prison. i always fought toum prove life and i always fought toum prove life and i always fought toum prove life and i always fought to get the food, they were giving us rotten food. we should have had a bed, not a mattress on the floor. you have got insects crawling on you. sometimes you would wa ke crawling on you. sometimes you would wake up covered with ants. it was just a bit of humanity i wanted. we should never have been in prison. i would have fought and fought, i would have fought and fought, i would never have given up and that's due to yvonne and my son, meeting my son for the first time. i would

never give up. it kept me positive to keep fighting and i think, i wa nted to keep fighting and i think, i wanted to show yvonne, if i keep fighting, it gives you happy vibes. i'm not going to let them beat me. for me, it was more for yvonne to show i'm fighting and i'm not going to give up. yvonne has been amazing, all the girls have been amazing. lisa, tell us what it is like from your point of view to have your brother finally your point of view to have your brotherfinally home? your point of view to have your brother finally home? there is no words that can describe t our family is complete again. there was always that part missing. nick is a huge character within our family. even, you know, to have him picking on me andl you know, to have him picking on me and i missed that. i missed that. he winds me up something rotten, but i've got it back now and our family isa family i've got it back now and our family is a family again. where there are moments nick when you thate i might not get home? i always tried to keep positive throughout the four years andl positive throughout the four years and i never gave up hope. i've got

amazing support from the family and amazing support from the family and amazing support from just general public, you know, without their support, i think i would have struggled, but my sister never let us struggled, but my sister never let us give up. i had to get home for me mam. she was my driving force. so, it's great to be back and you know, i never gave up. halfs the worst time for you? being in prison the first time, getting told about me mam's condition, nearly dying of a double aneurysm. it broke me. it absolutely broke me. it wasjust before christmas as well. so, and not long being in prison, but i had to dig deep because it's so easy to let control go and just lose it, but ididn't let control go and just lose it, but i didn't because what would that achieve? i had to stay strong for myself and for my family and it paid off basically. what about the worst time for you

billy, what would you say? the missed the birth of my son and yvonne had a complicated birth as well. i wasn't in prison at that time, buti well. i wasn't in prison at that time, but i was sat by a phone and computer just waiting to time, but i was sat by a phone and computerjust waiting to hear something because yvonne was flying. she had to fly back to scotland to get treatment. again, you have got to think of the positives when you're there. if you feel down, as nick said, you start going to a horrible place and it is trying to get yourself back out of especially when the family is so far away to help you, it's hard. let me ask you both about all of you in fact about the british government and the fact that you have felt let down by them. i believe i was let down back in 2014 when the case got quashed. we, by indian law, should have gone home. we had no charges, keeping us

at all, but the indian government refused to release our passports and basically refused us our right to leave the country. however, the government didn't believe us. they we re government didn't believe us. they were thinking, "are these innocent men?" as we recently found that they did doa men?" as we recently found that they did do a lot to secure our release towards the end. right. what would you say, billy? from the start, they didn't help. i mean when we first went to prison, we were in prison for the next morning and they came to visit. they didn't speak about anything. they didn't know what was going on, they came and gave us a prisoner abroad pack and then left. what did you think of that?|j thought what did you think of that?” thought it was shocking. six men from the uk, 35 men in total. we didn't know halfs going on because nobody explained in english to us, we we re nobody explained in english to us, we were forced to sign things. sign

this or we'll call you terrorists. sign this or we'll make your life hell. for the last year, i believe all the media and the families pressure, all the petitions put in, really pushed the government and i think the government started to realise for the three years previous they did nothing really. they had 50 talks about their counterparts, but nothing happened, it was only when the media starting picking up and putting pressure pressure, it started getting bigger, i think a lot more pressure went on them. yes, they did start working at the end, but it was too little, too late. it was the lawyers that did it. over one year waiting for the appeal for a judge to stand down and the following week to stand back up and ta ke following week to stand back up and take the case. he said the case was too complicated, but stood down. the acquittal papers said the case was a farce. that was basically it. the foreign office said the uk

government is delighted the men were released and the foreign secretary paid tribute to those who campaigned. they said that the foreign office worked behind the scenes to get these men released, visiting them in prison, updating theirfamilies visiting them in prison, updating their families and maintaining visiting them in prison, updating theirfamilies and maintaining close contact with their legal team. you have worked so hard, you lisa, you yvonne and the other women, the other relatives to try and bring your men home as quickly as possible. what were the times—you thought, "i'm not sure if we're going to succeed." we're only human and there are times where you get really desperate. you become really low, but at the centre of this, are 35 innocent men, my brother and no matter how low you get, you look to the support. i used to read a lot of social media, a lot of comments from

the general public, from strangers, given their support and that really boosted me and just knowing that nick and the other men had done nothing wrong, how could i allow this to happen? how could ijust sit back and allow it to unfold and let it go five years? absolutely not. i couldn't have slept at night. so for me, the support that we had and the simple fact that these are innocent men who've served our country, absolutely not. there was no way i was going to sit back and allow that to happen, i couldn't. we have got one question here from a viewer saying, "did your employers fight for your release? what did the employers do and are the employers supporting you ? " employers do and are the employers supporting you?" the employers abandoned us. they stopped paying us. abandoned us. they stopped paying us. yes, they got a lawyer at the start, but it became apparent all they wanted was their equipment back and ship back. us men were the last

stop for us. the only people who was fighting was the families back home and they started bringing more and more support and that was notjust the uk, it was worldwide. the support was unbelievable and then all the letters of support and it was truly amazing. that's what kept us was truly amazing. that's what kept us going fighting, you know. viewer tweets, "i'm in tears for the men and their families. viewer tweets, "i'm in tears for the men and theirfamilies. shame on our government and shame on india. i'm pleased they are back home and i hope they can rebuild their lives." what are your plans then?” hope they can rebuild their lives." what are your plans then? i want the government to stand up and realise the mistakes they've made, to allow human rights to be violated and these need to be focussed on and looked at, even if they are in another country, they need make sure that the international laws have been done. my priority now is ijust wa nt to been done. my priority now is ijust want to be back home and get married to yvonne. when are you getting married?” to yvonne. when are you getting married? i need to ask the boss! as soon as

possible. hopefully early next year. so we will see. just to get back to a normalfamily. congratulations. what would you say about the campaigning yvonne did for you? she has blown me away and i'm so happy i asked her to marry me. i can't put it in words. well, i'm asking you to try, billy! there is no words. what would you say about your sis? absolutely amazing. she never gave up. she kept the family together. absolutely amazing. she is a pocket rocket! she gets people have said in the media, she packs the punch of a heavyweight fighter. me dad called hera heavyweight fighter. me dad called her a rottweiler! she just never gave up. it was the lowest point of

out gave up. it was the lowest point of ourfamily when we gave up. it was the lowest point of our family when we get good news and straightaway get smashed with bad news. she thought that's it, we need to go to the next stage and keep the family going and her support and rallying just like yvonne and joanne, just kept all of us together, you know, truly amazing what they've done. he's my brother. he's my brother. i couldn't have not. tears and smiles from you, lisa. can i give joanne thompson, she has been a massive part of the support with lisa and yvonne. the last time i saw you was withjoanne. morgan says, "so good to see you on the programme. those families never stopped fighting for those men." thank you very much all of you. i really appreciate it. so goods to see you back and stephen says, "so glad at last the men are recognised as having been wrongly imprisoned.

the fact their family kept fighting speaks volume about the way the media forgot about them." thank you. still to come, as the grenfell inquiry begins today — we'll talk exclusively to the leader of the local council and ask her why, coming up to christmas, four out of five families are still looking for new homes. self—employed workers, freelancers 01’ self—employed workers, freelancers or those on zero—hours are more likely to face unwanted sexual behaviour according to a survey for the bbc on workplace harassment. we will talk to a woman who says as a waitress she is don't stantly harassed in herjob and wears an engagement ring even though she is not engaged to try and put people off! time for the latest news, here's annita. the bbc news headlines this morning. snow and freezing temperatures are causing widespread disruption across parts of the uk. there have been train and plane cancellations and drivers are warned that icy

conditions are making roads treacherous. hundreds of schools across wales and the midlands will be closed today. the chairman of a leading hospital trust in london has resigned — accusing the government of failing to recognise the "enormous challenges" facing the nhs. lord kerslake, who's a former head of the civil service, said king's college hospital trust was struggling to cope with rising demand, increased costs and limits on spending. the regulator for england, nhs improvement, said the trust's financial performance was "the worst in the nhs". a department of health spokeswoman said they were working with the trust to tackle the issues. lord kerslake told this programme that tough decisions need to be made. i don't think we are facing up to the choices very well, and i really worry that in effect, what is going to happen here is the nhs we know and love will slowly but surely slip away from us? because it is not getting enough money?

because it is not getting the sustained funding over time that it needs to perform. and you can hear victoria's interview with lord kerslake just after ten o'clock. two days of hearings will begin later to establish the framework of the grenfell tower fire public inquiry. sir martin moore—bick is being urged by survivors of the fire to give them a more central role. it comes as labour leader jeremy corbyn accused the government of failing survivors, with more than 100 still living in hotels. relatives of the victims say it's vital their stories are heard. and victoria will be speaking exclusively to the leader of kensington and chelsea council, elizabeth campbell, after this summary. theresa may will tell mps later today that there is a new sense of optimism in the brexit talks, after her last—minute deal aimed at moving them to the next phase. she will say she expects eu leaders to agree to start talks about future trade and security at a summit on thursday. the prime minister will insist she has not caved in to brussels over the so—called divorce bill. the most destructive

of the wildfires raging in southern california has expanded significantly, scorching an area larger than new york city. 4,000 firefighters have been called up to tackle flames which are now threatening the coastal city of santa barbara. hundreds of buildings have been destroyed and damaged and 200,000 people have had to flee their homes. two of the so—called chennai six have said that they feel let down by the government of failing to do enough to secure their release. billy irving, nick dunn and four other men spent four years in an indian prison. they won an appeal last month and were given permission to leave india. for the last year, all the media and the family pressure, all the petitions put in, really push the government, and i think the government, and i think the government started to realise for the three years previous they did nothing. nothing happened. it was

only when the media started picking up, started putting pressure on, it started getting into international news, and the papers were picking it up, ithink news, and the papers were picking it up, i think a lot more pressure went on them. yes, it did start working in the end, but it was too little, too late, it was the lawyers that did it. and that is a summary of the latest bbc news. in the next few minutes, we will talk to the leader of kensington and chelsea borough council, elizabeth campbell, who took over after nick paget—brown was forced to resign over his handling of the aftermath of the grenfell tower fire. here's some sport now withjess. good morning. after manchester city's win over neighbours manchester united yesterday, there was an altercation between the camps which ended with the united camp being hit by milk. jose mourinho

allegedly reported excessive celebrations. manchester city opened up celebrations. manchester city opened up an11 point celebrations. manchester city opened up an 11 point gap at the top of the premier league. in the merseyside derby, one older or —— 1—1 draw between everton and liverpool. and ronnie o'sullivan has won a sixth uk championships equal steve davis's record. he won five frames in a row to beat sean murphy 10—5. and plenty of sport was cancelled over the weekend because of the weather, but not at twickenham where ulster beat ha rlequins not at twickenham where ulster beat harlequins17—5 in not at twickenham where ulster beat harlequins 17—5 in the european champions cup. yesterday's postponed match between saracens and club clermont will now take place today. the chair of the public inquiry into the grenfell tower fire is to hold two days of hearings to discuss the future of its work. sir martin moore—bick will be examining the arrangements under which witnesses will give evidence.

he's being urged by victims of the fire to give them a more central role. of "failing" survivors of the june blaze, with more than 100 still living in hotels. one residents' group claim only 42 families of the 208 needing re—housing had been moved to permanent homes. here's how the story has unfolded over the last six months. some of the images are distressing. i opened the front door and there was thick smoke on the whole landing. there's a lot of young kids and a lot of old people living in the block. we could see that this was a bad one immediately. the sky was glowing. the fire brigade and the ambulance and police, they couldn't do nothing. they couldn't get in. they were telling them to just stay where they are, we will come and get you.

people have lost their homes, children have seen things and people were jumping out the window. we just need to rebuild as a community now. i could've... wow. i could've... we saw a lot, we saw a lot, man. we saw a lot with our own eyes. we saw... we saw friends, families... ooh... honestly, it's all right, you don't have to say any more. then i went outside. i called out and said, where are you? he said, i'm in the flat. i said, why didn't you come outside? he said, nobody brought me outside. he said, why did you leave me? he said, why? i said, i didn't leave you. today, we are back here in north kensington to catch up

with some of those we first met on that wednesday. we still have missing people. we still have no answers. it is constantly that we are expected to chase things. go here, phone this. check your moral compass. check it. why is it ok that there are thousands of empty homes right in this area and these people are homeless? i don't want money. we are not looking for money. olu does not want temporary accommodation, he wants permanent accommodation. he wants good, permanent accommodation. that is not too much to ask. can you promise him that? what we have said is that... just say yes or no. i work hard, i had a good house! because right now we have no... no hopes, nothing. we are just living from day to day. we lost our properties. we lost lives. some people lost all of their families. nobody from the council has ever come to say, get them all together,

let's sympathise with them. let's pray with them. i don't know what's next, because it looks like right now some of them are going on holiday! we are here suffering. there's the recording on the phone — "oh, sorry, she's gone on holiday. sorry, he's gone on holiday". what kind of holiday? this is not the time for holiday for anybody. it's a wake—up call. the six month anniversary of the fire will be marked on thursday with a service at st paul's cathedral. we'll be broadcasting from there live. one person who has been asked to stay away from that service is the leader of conservative kensington and chelsea council, elizabeth campbell. she took over injuly after her predecessor, nick paget—brown, was forced

to resign for his handling of the aftermath of the fire. she is here now. good morning to you. good morning. last month you said that every survivor would have a chance to move into a new home before christmas. that's not going to happen, is it? we have been in the business of rebuilding lives, but over the last few months it has become quite clear that it is much more challenging than we thought it would be. challenging for who? challenging for both. the people who aren't moved into their homes yet and for us to try and make sure that we can move people into new homes, because until they do, it is very difficult to rebuild people's lights, i accept that. tell us about some of those challenges. we thought originally that we had about 150 households to rehouse, and it went down a bit to hundred and 30, but

now we are up down a bit to hundred and 30, but now we are up to 210. and the perfectly understandable reasons. if you are three generations living together in a flat, then it is perfectly reasonable to say, right, well, your adult child has the opportunity now to have their own flat, and your grandmother has the opportunity to have their own flat, 01’ opportunity to have their own flat, or in other cases we have people who family have come in to live with them. so we might have been looking for more three—bedroom houses, now we are looking for more ones, so the complexion has changed. we have been going out and buying houses at a rate of about two a day, and we have exchanged on 250, and we hope to get 300 by christmas so people will have a choice. so i use saying it is because the families keep changing their minds? no, i'm not saying that, although in some cases

sometimes they are because again, perfectly understandably, if you have come out of grenfell tower and you have lost people, and we are saying to you, would you like a flat in this road or in kensington row 01’, in this road or in kensington row or, where would you to live? sometimes you are not ready to make that decision, or maybe sometimes you make the decision and then you change your mind, of course you do. so is it because of that and that there are still, according to g re nfell there are still, according to grenfell united, 108 households still in need of accommodation? there are a lot of people still in hotels, but everybody in a hotel has been offered alternative accommodation, either private rented accommodation, either private rented accommodation or a serviced apartment, and again, for perfectly understandable reasons, some of them wa nt to understandable reasons, some of them want to stay where they are. i saw someone a couple

want to stay where they are. i saw someone a couple of weeks ago, someone someone a couple of weeks ago, someone with her mother, and her mother is in a hotel, going crazy in a hotel because actually it is six months on and you don't want to be ina months on and you don't want to be in a hotel, and i was saying, can't you persuade her that perhaps she could have a flat and then it gives you space to think and figure out what you do want and don't want, and she is saying to me, no, because if she is saying to me, no, because if she goes into a flat, then she feels that she will go down the priority order, and you will forget about her. which is a fair point. which is afair point. her. which is a fair point. which is a fair point. because you might. not because we might, we won't forget about her, you stay in the same priority order, and we are getting flats. but what is reality and how people feel might be completely different. and on a more cheery note, there are people where we have gotan note, there are people where we have got an awful lot of people who have accepted offers who are in hotels, they are saying, why do i want to

move twice? it has been exchanged, i have seen it, i am getting the furniture, i don't want to move now and then move again at the end of january to move now and then move again at the end ofjanuary or in february. i will stay where i am fine now. so there are many different reasons. we know one survivor who has been offered four different types of accommodation and turned them all down for a variety of reasons. what you think of that? i don't know what the reasons are. but that is his choice, right? iam not going the reasons are. but that is his choice, right? i am not going to force people, i'm not in the business of saying, it will be much better for business of saying, it will be much betterfor me if business of saying, it will be much better for me if you are out of hotels and we can move these figures from this column to the other side. if that is their decision, that is their decision. but we would hope to try and persuade them, or try and find something where they would like to go to, and actually what we would really like them to do is move to permanent accommodation, because it is really difficult start your life again, and for some people, to even start the grieving process, if you

are stuck in a hotel. do you think thatis are stuck in a hotel. do you think that is being too picky?” are stuck in a hotel. do you think that is being too picky? i am absolutely not going to go there or go down that route. it is the people, some of whom are incredibly traumatised, because it is not that long to make up their own minds, but i'm certainly not that criticise their decisions. so the fact that some people six months on from the fire are still in emergency accommodation is their responsibility? it is both the responsibility, isn't it? it is our responsibility, isn't it? it is our responsibility to make sure there is a sufficient amount of permanent accommodation available, and stuff that they would like to live in. and you haven't done that? we have 250 who we have exchanged on, but remember buying your own house, all the things that you have to do, and double it, because we are doing it asa double it, because we are doing it as a council, so fire certificates, gas certificates, surveys,

repainting, re—carpeting all those things take time. but we have been buying at a rate of roughly about two a day. and you told us in october that you hoped you would have bought 300 new homes by christmas. we are almost there. we have exchanged on 250, and we have 50 more to exchange before christmas. but in total, under offer, we have had 370, so we are moving in that direction, yes. so what do you say to those households who are upset, frustrated, angry, that they are still in a hotel?” would say, talk to your key worker, talk to other workers, especially if you have children, is it the right place to have children? is there a private rented accommodation, any alternative accommodation service, apartment, that you would like to

move into? and if you would, we will try and find it for you. would you say sorry to those who are going to be in hotels over christmas? yes, i am sorry. i'm sorry that they are in hotels. but i'm also sorry... it's one of those things, isn't it? that they don't feel they trust us enough that they can move somewhere that they might be more comfortable before they make the final decision. of course i'm sorry. that is a lack of trust, and that takes time to build up again. identify have a magic answer to that. what are you doing to encourage the community to trust you?” what are you doing to encourage the community to trust you? i suppose actions, you know, we've got, we've taken on 300 extra staff. we've got an army of people out there who we have commissioned, wrap around care and mental health workers, it's not just about houses, it's the whole package and i think it's about building relationships. if they have a strong relationship with their

housing officer or their key worker, we've got accident accommodation that they can move into, hopefully that they can move into, hopefully that will repair the trust. imean that will repair the trust. i mean we're in touch with so many survivors who say the permanent accommodation they have been offered is just not suitable. it's inappropriate and elderly grandma has been offered an apartment block, not high up, but high enough up which means she would have to use the stairs and she is in a wheelchair? well, i can't comment on individual cases. i have seen lots of... individual cases. i have seen lots of. . . that individual cases. i have seen lots of... that happened. so, i mean, how is that happening? well, again, you know, ok, if that has happened, obviously that's completely unacceptable, but the flats that i have seen will have lifts, wheelchair accessible, are very nice airy, bright, we're going for really

high quality apartments and we've got a whole file of them. it's a pity i didn't bring some photos for you today. they are good quality apartments. 0k. the met police said injuly there apartments. 0k. the met police said in july there were reasonable grounds to suspect your council and the tenant management organisation whose job it was to look after g re nfell tower whose job it was to look after grenfell tower may have committed corporate manslaughter. have you been interviewed by the police yet? no, but i've said, you know, all our documents, any evidence they need, anything, in anyway we can help them with, we'll help. do you know if your predecessor has been interviewed? i don't. has anyone at your council as far as you know been interviewed by the police?” your council as far as you know been interviewed by the police? i assume so, yeah. buti interviewed by the police? i assume so, yeah. but i mean, i don't have the details and as i said, you know, i understand that for our residents it is really, really important that

they get justice so it is really, really important that they getjustice so we will co—operate in any way we can. i mean imagine, imagine if it was you had lost someone in that fire, you would want, you would wantjustice and a nyway we want, you would wantjustice and anyway we can help, any documentation, anything we can give forward , documentation, anything we can give forward, we will. we'll co—operate in any way we can. phil tweets this, "elizabeth campbell description is confusing as she said previously there were too many people living in one property and now public scrutiny has forced the council to house people properly which means multiple properties."m is more a myriad of different reasons people don't want to live together. one viewer says, "thanks

for keeping this in our consciousness." for keeping this in our consciousness. i 50 for keeping this in our consciousness." so do i. stevie says, "the people trying to help the g re nfell says, "the people trying to help the grenfell victims, they are looking for problems and stopping them fixing the issues." is that fair? for problems and stopping them fixing the issues. " is that fair? we have taken on a lot of extra staff. we are going through family by family, individual by individual, trying to find them something that suits them, and in the meantime, i repeat, if they wish to move out of the hotel, we have got good quality homes available. do you mind me asking you where you will be spending christmas? at home with my elderly mother and my children. how many homes do you own?” elderly mother and my children. how many homes do you own? i have one main home in london. how many do you own?” main home in london. how many do you own? i own two, i suppose. but where are we going with this? curious. what relevance does

it have, you know? i am this? curious. what relevance does it have, you know? iam in this? curious. what relevance does it have, you know? i am in this because i stepped up and i am determined to help people. i don't think that my own situation reflects on it. i am absolutely determined to rebuild people's lives and i will do everything i can as a council leader. the reason for asking is because as you know, you have been criticised for being out—of—touch with the people that you are supposed to represent. well, do you know what? i believe it's not where you're from, it's who you're there for and you're from, it's who you're there forandi you're from, it's who you're there forand i am you're from, it's who you're there for and i am out there for the people of grenfell tower. is it two or more? do you know what? i have never ever wanted to bring my private life into politics and i'm not going to go there. you won't be a the memorial service because bereaved families don't want you to be there. what does that say about what the community thinks of you? well, i think it's perfectly understandable for the community not

to wish to have a representative from the council at the memorial service and i totally respect that and we will be paying our own respects in the council with a minute's silence. what will you be doing? we will be gathering together and we'll behaving a minute's silence in the council chamber to remember people who are at the fore front of our minds who actually died on that tragic night. and do do any volunteering in your own time to help grenfell survivors? all of my time, 24 hours a day is actually working for grenfell survivors because i think the way i'm best placed is to try and get those homes and we will have 300 by christmas, but i'm meeting survivors all the time, yes. thank you very much for talking to us. thank you very much for talking to us. thanks. thank you. elizabeth campbell. and on thursday we'll be broadcasting live from st paul's cathedral where a service of commemoration will take place to mark six months since the fire.

self—employed workers, freelancers or those on zero hours, are more likely to face unwanted sexual behaviour, according to a survey for the bbc on workplace harassment. more than 6,0000 british adults were asked about the types more than 6,000 british adults were asked about the types of behaviour they'd faced and where it happened. the research suggests two in five women had experienced sexual harassment in the workplace — for men it's one in five. industries like hospitality, retail and the public sector are said to be most at risk. it's an issue we've covered on the programme for some time now. last month we gathered together an audience of people who'd all experiences sexual harassment in different industries. so, i was working as a waitress and bartender, it was a zero—hours contractjob, it was minimum wage and over a period of months i was sexually harassed by one of my managers. and what does that mean? kind of calling me sexually derogatory names, slapping my bum, and it culminated at one point where he took me into a private

room where the managers did their admin work and said, "this is the room where we have sex with our employees". let's talk to amy stoneman. she is a waitress and says she is harassed so much at work, she wears a ring on her engagement finger, even though she's not engaged. tim martin, the boss of speak in confidence which encourages workers to speak out. welcome both of you. how many times a week would you say you are sexually harassed? it would be every single shift that i'm on. so, you know, whether i'm working five days or two. so you know sometimes, if it's a match day, so you've got your football fans, it's a lot more. if it's, busy night out, again it's a lot more. it generally tends to be males from the age of 20 to 60. all the way up to 60? yes. is it comments? is it touching? both. i've

had worst case scenario, i have had someone had worst case scenario, i have had someone ask me to have a look at a picture on their phone and it was a picture on their phone and it was a picture of their penis. i've had men, you know, trying to kiss my hand which i suppose was at some point some kind of romantic gesture, but it's not in our society. it was very strange. i was trying to pull my hand away and it wasn't working. people, you know, trying to touch my hips, trying to move where i'm going, called me baby. those kind of patronising things. it is all these compliments of how pretty face is, but they are talking about it with their mates and they are 40 or 50 and it is intimidating, i'm only 20. i've only been in this job for three months and i haven't done anything like it before then. so it started from the off set. and are you wearing the engagement ring?” from the off set. and are you wearing the engagement ring? i am now. i didn't start wearing it to ward off men. it was my grandmother's and i always wear a

ring on my own finger and i can't wear two rings on one hand so i a lwa ys wear two rings on one hand so i always wore it on this one. as soon asi always wore it on this one. as soon as i started working i realised how effective at getting rid of men. as i started working i realised how effective at getting rid of menm works? it really does. it is a more advanced way of saying sorry, i have advanced way of saying sorry, i have a boyfriend i suppose. ijust, you know, kind of flash it and they would leave me alone and i always thought it was because men respected men more than they kind of women and their own rights to their bodies. gosh. they see us as property and they don't see us of property as our own, they see us as the man owning us. own, they see us as the man owning us. that's why i feel it is an easy way of getting rid of them. if you just say no, i'm not interested a lot of time they persist and persist. because they think they can persuade you. what do you think of what amy had to do? it is terrible. we are in a terrible state. your

survey has shown 50% women in the workplace are harassed and of those a quarter will feel they can raise it. that is fundamentally wrong. you provide a platform which allows employees to anonymously report, don't you? it enables people to do in confidence. it let's people anonymously contact their management. one of the things we found a lot of people won't raise harassment or bullying because they are scared of the impact on their job and they fear they won't be taken job and they fear they won't be ta ken seriously. we job and they fear they won't be taken seriously. we give people a route to speak to management confidentially. unless you know about a problem, you can't tackle it. how is it going to change? how is the culture going to change?” think, a few things. it's horrible it has needed weinstein and parliament to get this on the table, but at least it is on the table. last week the equalities and human rights commission wrote to most of

the top businesses in the uk saying what are your policies for sorting sexual harassment? what are you doing about it? and how are you sorting it? that's a good step forward. we have got to keep the pressure up. as forward. we have got to keep the pressure up. as consumers we shouldn't be dealing with businesses that don't treat their staff properly and put in place systems that enable their staff to be treated properly. thank you very much, tim. amy, thank you for coming news and sport on the way before 10am. before that, the weather. here is lucy. we have seen the snow. this photo sentin we have seen the snow. this photo sent in by a weather watcher in buckinghamshire. a cold night overnight last night. we saw temperatures down to minus 12 celsius in parts of northumberland and it will be a colder night still as we go through tonight. now, the weather today is dominated by this area of low pressure coming up from the south. it will bring rain and it

could also bring snow for a time particularly over high ground and sleet. here is the radarfrom earlier, we have seen snow up in the north of scotland and that rain has fallen at snow at times today. as we move through the rest of today then, it will edge its way eastwards gradually. there will be a lot of dry and bright weather around. particularly for southern scotland, parts of northern england and into wales and central england, but brightening up. a scattering of showers for northern ireland and parts of northern scotland and the potential for a few patches of ice on the roads. so if you are out and about, take care. so here we are this afternoon, at 3pm, we are seeing the rain clearing its way eastwards. a lot of dry and bright weather around, but temperatures close to freezing. a few showers clipping coastal areas of the south—west and wales. asimilar south—west and wales. a similar tory for northern england, a few coastal showers, but dry and bright with patches of ice on the road and a scattering of showers for northern ireland and northern scotland. some of those falling as snow particularly over high ground

and in land. this evening and overnight, the showers becoming confined to coastal areas. we will see lots of clear skies. we are looking at a bitterly cold night. a widespread frost. these are the temperatures in towns and cities, but rurally it will be colder than that, a few spots getting below minus ten celsius. soa minus ten celsius. so a very cold start to the dame tomorrow. a few patches of freezing fog taking their time to lift through the morning. plenty of brightness, perhaps one or two coastal showers clipping the coasts through the morning, but it will turn cloudierfrom the through the morning, but it will turn cloudier from the west with outbreaks of rain moving in. that could fall as snow in the north over the hills. again, another cold day. that rain works its way east as we move through tuesday and into wednesday. the wind spinning around to more of a westerly as well. that means by the time we get to wednesday, it's not going to be quite as cold. there will be more in the way of cloud, showery outbreaks of rain as well, but the temperatures aren't going to be as cold. maximum of between three and 11 celsius.

soa 11 celsius. so a cold day today. plenty of brightness around apart from this the south east and another cold day tomorrow, with a scattering of showers and then a little bit milder by wednesday. hello it's monday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. welcome programme. our top story today: snow and ice across the uk are causing treacherous driving conditions. schools are closed, flights delayed and thousands are without power. the snow has stopped, but temperatures have dropped significantly, 450 schools closed across wales under around 400 homes still without power. also on the programme: six months since the grenfell tower fire, and four out of five families are still looking for new homes. the leader of kensington and chelsea council apologises. i am sorry. i'm sorry that they're in hotels but also that they don't want to move because they don't trust us enough to feel they can move before they make a final decision.

more reaction to come to that before 11. the boss of a large hospital trust in london quits accusing the government of unrealistic funding costs. we will hear from him we will hearfrom him in the next few minutes. good morning. here's annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. thanks, victoria. good morning. snow and freezing temperatures are still causing widespread disruption across parts of the uk. there have been train and plane cancellations, and drivers are being warned that icy conditions are making roads treacherous. hundreds of schools across wales and the midlands will also be closed today. the chairman of kings college hospital trust says that the trust was struggling to cope with rising demand and limits on spending. the

regulators are england, nhs improvements, says the trust's financial in performance was the worst in the nhs. the trusted is working to tackle the issues. lord kerslake said that tough decisions need to be made. i don't think we are facing up to the choice is very well, and irony worry that in effect, what is going to happen here is that the nhs we know and love will slowly but surely slip away from us. because it is not getting enough money? because it is not getting the sustained level of funding over time that it needs to perform. the leader of kensington and chelsea council has told this programme that she is sorry that some families made homeless by the grenfell tower fire will be in temporary accommodation this christmas. elizabeth campbell, who took over leadership of the council injuly after her predecessor was forced to resign for his handling of the aftermath of the fire, said that the council was doing all it could to find new homes but that it

took time to acquire and check new properties. we have 250, that we have exchanged on, but remember buying your own house, all the things that you have to do, and double it. because we are doing it as a council. so fire certificate, gas certificate, survey, repainting, re—carpeting. all those things take time. theresa may will tell mps later today that there is a new sense of optimism in the brexit talks, after her last—minute deal aimed at moving them to the next phase. she will say she expects eu leaders to agree to start talks about future trade and security at a summit on thursday. the prime minister will insist she has not caved in to brussels over the so—called divorce bill. two of the so—called chennai six have told this programme exclusively they feel let down and betrayed by the british government for failing to do enough to help secure their release. billy irving, nick dunn and four other men have spent four years in an indian prison.

after years of campaigning, they won an appeal against their convictions last month and were given permission to leave india. for the last year, i believe all the media and the families' pressure, all the petitions put in, really push the government, and i think the government started to realise for the three years previous they did nothing. 50 tops, but nothing happened. it was only when the media started picking up and putting pressure on, it was getting bigger, it started going to international news, is started getting bigger and papers picking it up, i think a lot more pressure went on. yes, they did start working on it then, but it was too little, too late at that time, and it was the lawyers that did it. the most destructive of the wildfires raging in southern california has expanded significantly, scorching an area larger than new york city. 4,000 firefighters have been called up to tackle flames which are now threatening the coastal city of santa barbara. hundreds of buildings have been destroyed and damaged and 200,000

people have had to flee their homes. and that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. thank you, annita. here are some m essa 9 es thank you, annita. here are some messages about grenfell. after listening to the council leader, i got the impression she does care, but she doesn't know where the survivors are coming from. i think she needs to spend a week living in a council tower block and experience what life is like. you deserve praise the keeping grenfell in the spotlight, it should never be forgotten. karl says please don't pretend to be outraged or suggest you are better than the lady from kensington council, because she has two herbs. you are also middle—class and no doubt spend more on your week's holiday than many in that tower earning a month to support the family. and this, let's be real, this woman didn't start the fire,

she didn't choose to have a huge family in one flat. the grenfell community need to start being real, and the issues need to start being taken from real, and those people need to start taking the expensive free homes offered. marion says, i'm not happy with your intrusive questioning, victoria. the leader had answered all questions politely. and this question, why can't they move people to a less expensive area rather than trying to has a few in the most expensive area of london? do get in touch with us throughout the morning. use the hashtag #victorialive, and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. here's some sport now withjessica. good morning, victoria. after manchester city's win over neighbours manchester united yesterday, there was an altercation between the two camps that led to one of the united staff being hit by some millk. the 2—1win puts city 11 points clear at the top of the premier league, with united managerjose mourinho admitting his team's title hopes are now probably over. but he was reportedly

unhappy with city's buoyant celebrations after the match. you saw the players rush over to the away end to celebrate with their fans. you saw some of the staff tried to get pep guardiola involved in those celebrations, and he decided against it. and apparently after the match, towards the dressing rooms, there then was an angry exchange between him and the manchester city goalkeeper ederson. the manchester city dressing room door was open, and i think it was too much of an open doorfor door was open, and i think it was too much of an open door forjose mourinho, he couldn't resist saying something, and then it all kind of erupted. there was a bit of pushing and shoving, and as you say, this milk was thrown, it hit a wall, it hit one of his support staff, then it all comes down, i think one of the city support staff, mikel

arteta, has ended up with a cut. it all comes down after a couple of minutes, and the players were ok afterwards, but it was all a bit unseemly. it was pretty eventful 34 miles away in the merseyside derby. wayne rooney equalising from the penalty spot. liverpool remain fourth in the premier league table, two points behind third—placed chelsea, while everton stay tenth. ronnie o'sullivan says he could never call himself the greatest, but he's surely on his way. last night he won his sixth uk snooker championship. it means o'sullivan has equalled steve davis' tally, and stephen hendry‘s record of winning 18 of snooker‘s top three championships. it was 24 years ago that o'sullivan won his first uk championship. look at this. a fresh—faced 17—year—old. he'd only turned professional a year earlier, but here he was beating the then world number one

stephen hendry in the final. fast forward 24 years and he's up against shaun murphy, in the dominant form we've come to expect from him. ten frames to five he won last night, and former player davis believes there's still more to come. you see him in this form, he isn't going to go off the boil soon. i think he has to or three more years, as long as he is focused, he will be there fighting. a thousand centuries he has nailed on, about another world championship. a lot of great players in the game have their say, but ronnie o sullivan in good form, not just his best but ronnie o sullivan in good form, notjust his best form, good form, can still win events. it is astonishing how well he plays. that is all for now, the headlines just after half past. thank you very much. it is nine minutes past ten. good morning. the chairman of a leading hospital trust in london has resigned , accusing the government of failing to recognise the "enormous

challenges" facing the nhs. lord kerslake, who's a former head of the civil service, told this programme if nothing changes, "the nhs we know and love will slowly slip away from us." he claims king's college hospital trust is struggling financially as it fought against the "inexorable pressures" of rising demand, increased costs and limits on spending. the regulator, nhs improvement, said the trust's financial performance was "the worst in the nhs" and that it was considering taking action. lord kerslake explained why he was standing down i love kings, so it was a very, very difficult decision for me, but in the end i felt like there wasn't the sufficient realism about the scale of the challenges that the nhs and kings face, so i felt that this was the moment i needed to step down. isn't the truth that you have decided to get out before your trust was placed in financial special measures? this was a decision i made myself, and it was my decision alone. yes, we will, ithink, almost

certainly going to financial special measures, and that itself would not have been the issue. the issue is about, what are we trying to achieve for the nhs, about, what are we trying to achieve forthe nhs, and about, what are we trying to achieve for the nhs, and what level of service we want and how much we are prepared to pay for it. king's is a great hospital and we have achieved a lot in the last few years, some big savings and big efficiencies, but we recognise we face particular challenges at the moment. the regulator says king's financial performance is unacceptable, the worst in the nhs and continues to deteriorate. i can't say whether it is the worst or not, but what i can say is that hospitals covered different positions. it merged with another hospital before my time, and in that process ended up with a dev visit of over 140 million. we have got that down over a third, and the last two years, we have achieved 80 million savings in each of the yea rs, million savings in each of the years, twice the national average. so we have done a lot to drive down costs, but this year has been

particularly challenging. unacceptable, they say. obviously they use their own words. we would not want to have a deficit at all as a hospital. we think we have done it huge amount to bring the hospital into the best possible place. but in the end, despite those huge savings, we still face challenges. forgive me, i'm going to put you again, isn't the truth that you have decided to leave, to step away, before you face being put in financial special measures? no, because i have said already we anticipate that financial special measures would come. i made a decision myself of my own volition that this was a time in which i should step down. so are you deserting a sinking ship? not at all, i have done a huge amount of king's all, i have done a huge amount of kings and i will stay friendly and support king's where ever i can, but they're obviously pointed your time ata they're obviously pointed your time at a place where you need to make a decision whether or not it is best to go to stay, and i have made that

decision. what quality of care are you able to offer, do you believe, at king's? we offer i think very good quality of care, and that is the absolute premium of what we focus on at kings. it is the care for the patient tos and the welfare of the staff that we have to focus on first and foremost. at the same time we of course try and look to improve the efficiency of what we do, and that in turn needs capital investment as well. but care is good at king's, it is a very good hospital. my own daughter will be having her child with king's. so i trust the hospital, and i think it isa trust the hospital, and i think it is a great hospital. is that quality of care threatened by the financial settle m e nt of care threatened by the financial settlement from the government?” think over time that will be the issue. i think over time all of the health service will have to face some difficult choices. if not about quality than about the performance, the sort of response times that we

can deliverfor the sort of response times that we can deliver for the money available. and this by the way is something that has been raised by simon stephens, secretary general of the nhs england. do you think this government is failing the nhs?” wouldn't want to say the failing it. collectively we need to make decisions about what kind of health service we want. how much money that is going to cost. and how much we will pay for it? so is it time, then, to have a conversation with then, to have a conversation with the public about taxation, about ring fenced taxation for the nhs? absolutely, i'm not going to get into a situation of saying the government don't want the nhs to improve, but we are not facing up to the choice is very well, and i really worry that in effect what is going to happen here is that the nhs we know and love will slowly but surely slip away from us. because it is being, it is not getting enough money? it is not getting the sustained level of funding over time that it needs to perform. and is it

to do with people paying more in taxes, or is it to do with the government making different decisions about what they spend money on? i think it is probably going to need a conversation about how much people pay in taxes, that isa how much people pay in taxes, that is a very difficult conversation but i think it has got to be had. there may also be choices about where you put the money, what is most important to people. i think on the whole people would see the safety of ca re of whole people would see the safety of care of themselves and their loved ones is being top of that priority list. lord kerslake explaining why he's resigned as king's college hospital trust chair. hopes are the prime minister will tell mps today that there's been been "give and take" between the uk and the eu in order to move on to talks about their trading relationship after brexit. in a statement in the house of commons, theresa may is expected

to say that she isn't seeking a hard or soft brexit but a bold new partnership and what she will call a new "sense of optimism". but there are reports of a potential cabinet split over whether the uk should pay the huge divorce bill somewhere in the region of £35 to £39 billion — if trade talks fail. now let's talk to two conservative mps —jonathan djanogly — mp for huntingdon and member of pa rliament‘s exiting the eu select committee, who voted to remain in the eu referendum and now fully supports britain leaving the eu and maria caulfield mp, conservative mp for lewes, and member of the northern ireland parliamentary committee — who has always seen the benefits of leaving the eu. right, david davis says that £40 billion we're due to pay is conditional on getting a trade deal. the chancellor says even if there is no deal, we need to honour our commitments. what do you think? my understanding is it the deal that was done last week is the parameters of going forward with the trade

talks and as theresa may said previously, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. so... so if there is no trade deal, does britain pay? i think that's unlikely now. last week has shown that a trade deal in one form or another is likely to happen. and so, you know, given that that is, the likeliest scenario, that's likely to be the bill we're paying. if there is no trade deal, should britain honour its commitments? well, the commitment as set out in the agreement last week is that there is no deal until we have a final deal. so, the final deal would be a trade deal so i think, you know, legally speaking, absolutely, there is no reason why we should pay money and realistically speaking, i mean if david davis had come back and said look i have got this outline deal, we move forward to a trade deal, if we move forward to a trade deal, if we don't get a trade deal, we're going to pay £40 billion, that would have been highly unacceptable to everyone in parliament. imean if everyone in parliament. i mean if there is no deal, and britain does not pay, if david davis

means that, then how does that look to other countries when we want to have by lateral trade deals with them? i think you've got to look at this as a moving piece. it's hard to look at it as a stand alone proposition. what we had last week was a statement of intent, technically not legally binding, but in practise, where we want to go. and i think the really important change is if you look back at this time last week where everything was doom and gloom and nothing is happening. now we have a framework to move forward and we have a momentum and i think that sense of optimism has come back into the equation and i'm hoping it will carry us equation and i'm hoping it will carry us through. i want to ask you about time frames. david davis talked about a canada plus, plus, plus deal. eu leaders as you know, insist a deal has to be done by october to give the european parliament a chance to scrutinise it. and to decide where to support it, of course, mps in the commons

also need time to vote on it. you know it look seven years for canada to do its free trade deal with the eu. how can a deal be done in the time frame? well, i think we're in a very different situation to canada because we have been dealing with the eu for 40 years. but we want to diverge? our rules and regulations meet the eu criteria, that was not the case for canada. da had to make —— canada had to make adjustments in order to get where the eu wanted them to be in order to sign the trade deal. we're trading with them now. as we stand now, a trade deal would be easy to do. only if we want to condition with full alignment? not necessarily. we don't want to look at a canada deal. we need a more bespoke deal because canada mainly deals in goods and we have got financial services to look at, so we would be looking at the swiss model. so there is a number of models. we need a bespoke deal. can that be done by october? the

proposal is we try and get terms by march. october is the eu's deadline. yes. david davis has said that we can go all the way through until march 2019 and still strike a deal and of course... that doesn't give you enough time, does it, to scrutinise and vote on it in the commons before 29th march 2019? yes. y, but what the eu and david davis have said that if we did agree outline terms for a few tu trade deal, at any time before march, that could be finalised during the implementation period which would be two years after that. ok. so again, we've got this moving feast going through which is confusing for people, but it's not going to be a set moment of time. these things will develop. several things that brexiteer said

wouldn't happen, have happened. they said we wouldn't have to leave to eu and we do. it is substantial. and if no agreement can be reached on the northern ireland border, the whole of the uk, notjust northern ireland, will maintain full alignment with the eu's single market and customs union. what do you think of that? well, we don't have to pay a deal, if you look at the house of lords report, legally we're not bound to pay any money at all, but this is part of the negotiations... but we are doing. they said we wouldn't have to and we are. this is the parameters of setting out what we want from a free trade deal. if we don't get that free trade deal, we are not bound to pay anything. this is about setting out if we want a free trade deal, the two years of commitments of money that we have been xited to, we're happy to pay, but after that, we're happy to pay, but after that, we won't be paying a penny. i expect to see hout a free trade deal, there won't be an on going commitment. there are 50 countries that has a

trade deal with the eu and not one pays a penny. i want to ask you as a previous remainer if i may, what you think about labour's position which yesterday they suggested they would be in favour of easy movement of people from the rest of the eu to britain and british people moving to the european union. yes, well, i hope we're moving beyond the leave and remain argument, we are going out. it's the question of the terms on which we go out and it does seem that the labour party, which by the way is more split than the conservative party on this issue, are moving... i don't know how you can say that, but you did with a straight face. we asked for a labour mp tojoin us, but it straight face. we asked for a labour mp to join us, but it wasn't possible. right. what do you think? i think they are moving closer towards a customs union continue type position. what do you think? i think we will come to a deal on this. if you look at countries like norway or switzerland, that are not pa rt of norway or switzerland, that are not part of the eu, but that have deals

with the eu, it does involve some level of free movement. now, in switzerland's case, that's restricted amount, but you know, what's the alternative? we start doing free trade deals with third party countries, if you look at india, australia, new zealand, they have all said that their number one request will be uk visas. so, the idea that we leave the eu and suddenly end the immigration debate is simply not the case. this country will need immigration. the immigration will be related to our economy. if our economy is improving, we will want immigration, if it's going down, we'll want less of it and we will have to have a fair immigration policy that reflects that need. agree? yeah, absolutely, that's why we have got the immigration bill coming through parliament at the start of next year because it isn't about ending immigration, it's about having control over immigration and having, when we have got skills that we're short of, that we welcome those people, whether they are from the eu orfrom the rest of those people, whether they are from the eu or from the rest of the world and where people have the skills we

have got a surplus of, we can say no to. it is about having control of the immigration and the immigration bill next year will start ta to set that out. thank you both very much. in the states temperatures are also freezing. firefighters came to the aid of a deer which became stranded after the water froze over at an oregon golf course. they used a special sleigh to nudge it to safety. bottom

laughter yes! firefighters in oregon rescuing a deer! let me read you some messages from people watching the interview with the leader of the kensington and chelsea borough council. godfrey tweets, "an excellent and sincere response from elizabeth campbell." another viewer tweets, "the council leader has no sympathy and no real heart." trust the council, it is they who have left people homeless and poverty—stricken. george says,

"it is appalling so many families have not been refoused. the council leaders says the right words, but actions speak louder than words." victoria was criticised for intrusive questioning. the council leader lives in a different world. ian tweets this, "just watched your intrir about grenfell, the questions we re intrir about grenfell, the questions were difficult, but they needed asking. this is what people want to know." more reaction to come before 11am. on thursday, we will be broadcasting live from st paul's cathedral where a service of commemoration will take place to mark six months since the fire. one of the largest fires in california continues to spread. we'll hear from people who have been

affected. time for the latest news, here's annita. the bbc news headlines this morning. snow and freezing temperatures are still causing widespread disruption across parts of the uk. there have been train and plane cancellations, and drivers are being warned that icy conditions are making roads treacherous. hundreds of schools across wales and the midlands will also be closed today. the chairman of a leading hospital trust in london has resigned , accusing the government of failing to recognise the "enormous challenges" facing the nhs. lord kerslake, who's a former head of the civil service, he claims king's college hospital trust is struggling financially as it fought against the "inexorable pressures" of rising demand, increased costs and limits on spending. lord kerslake said that tough

decisions had to be made. i really worry that in effect what's going to happen here is the kind of nhs that we know and love will slowly, but surely slip away from us. because it is being, because it's not getting enough money?m because it is being, because it's not getting enough money? it is not getting the sustained level of funding over time that it needs to perform. the leader of kensington and chelsea council has told this programme that she is sorry that some families made homeless by the grenfell tower fire will be in temporary accommodation this christmas. elizabeth campbell, who took over leadership of the council injuly after her predecessor was forced to resign for his handling of the aftermath of the fire, said that the council was doing all it could to find new homes, but that it took time to acquire and check new properties. theresa may will tell mps later today that there is a new sense of optimism in the brexit talks, after her last—minute deal aimed at moving them to the next phase. she will say she expects eu leaders to agree to start talks about future trade and security at a summit on thursday. the prime minister will insist

she has not caved in to brussels over the so—called divorce bill. the most destructive of the wildfires raging in southern california has expanded significantly, scorching an area larger than new york city. 4,000 firefighters have been called up to tackle flames which are now threatening the coastal city of santa barbara. hundreds of buildings have been destroyed and damaged and 200,000 people have had to flee their homes. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. and here is some sport withjessica. there was an altercation between manchester united and manchester city last night. jose mourinho was reportedly irritated by manchester city's excessive celebrations, leading to a row after the match. city have opened up an 11 point gap

at the top of the premier league. in the merseyside derby, and everton penalty gave them a 1—1 draw with liverpool at anfield. liveable remain fourth, two points behind third placed chelsea, while everton stay ten. ronnie o'sullivan wins a 60 uk snooker championship to equal steve davis' record. he won five frames ina steve davis' record. he won five frames in a row to beat sean murphy 10-5. and frames in a row to beat sean murphy 10—5. and plenty of sport was cancelled over the weekend, but not of the twickenham stoop where ulster beat harlequins17—5 in of the twickenham stoop where ulster beat harlequins 17—5 in the ha rlequins beat harlequins 17—5 in the harlequins cup. beat harlequins 17—5 in the ha rlequins cup. yesterday's postponed match between saracens and clermont will take place today at 5:30pm. fans are being invited to attend. nazanin zaghari ratcliffe, the british—irannian mum jailed in iran since 2016 on charges of spying, has said she can see some light at the end of tunnel. it follows a visit to the country by foreign secretary borisjohnson who held talks with his iranian counterpart and the country's president, hasan rouhani. a court case that was due to take

place over the weekend didn't go ahead, raising hopes that nazanin could soon be released. let's talk now to her husband richard radcliffe, who has campaigned tirelessly for his wife's release and has appeared on this programme a number of times. good morning to you. where are we now? it was a good weekend, as you have just now? it was a good weekend, as you havejust said. now? it was a good weekend, as you have just said. the now? it was a good weekend, as you havejust said. the foreign secretary went to iran, which he promised to do, and clearly had positive conversations with the foreign minister, the president, the speaker of parliament and a number of other people. we were living in dread of sunday's court case, and it didn't happen. so where we are now is we are hopeful, hopefully that dream of her being back home for christmas is still possible. the court hearing has been postponed, it hasn't been totally scrapped. what is it that you are waiting for? borisjohnson was ask if your wife to be released on humanitarian

grounds, and roll—out by new court hearing, she is eligible for release because she has served a third of her sentence. she has done a third of her original sentence of five yea rs, of her original sentence of five years, and her lawyers are pressing, hoping that that eligibility, there can bea hoping that that eligibility, there can be a hearing on it. she has been reviewed for her health conditions, so the health commissioners have come in and assessed her with the prison doctors, and that reporters on the prosecutor's desk, so there isa on the prosecutor's desk, so there is a hope to see if she is eligible, she has a young child and family waiting for her in britain, and please can she come home.“ waiting for her in britain, and please can she come home. if it is going to happen, what is the sort of choreography around it? it has been a bumpy ride all the way through, and it will probably a bumpy ride to the very end. i am hoping to catch up the very end. i am hoping to catch up with the foreign office today or tomorrow to get a full debrief as to what has happened and work out what happens thereafter, but i'm hoping

that that internal process of pushing for the early release can be reviewed in the next ten days to have her home for christmas, and that then we will suddenly get good news. so you don't know specifically what the iranians had to borisjohnson yet? i will get a debrief today or tomorrow. he met herfamily yesterday, saturday, and said that he had raised her case and he was hopeful that it was constructive, but i can't go through all the details of what was said, we will find out more afterwards. and do you link his visit this weekend with that court hearing for your wife being postponed?” that court hearing for your wife being postponed? i think definitely a good visit in all the different ways, and there was progress and lots of different things, it has created a positive environment, and that can only help our case, and our case in the big point of her coming home. thank you very much. we wish you all the best. thank you. the leader of kensington and chelsea council has told this programme that she is sorry that some families made homeless by the grenfell tower fire will be in temporary accommodation this

christmas. elizabeth campbell, who took over leadership of the council injuly after her predecessor was forced to resign for his handling of the aftermath of the fire, said that the council was finding it more challenging than they had thought to find permanent housing, and that it took time to acquire and check new properties. we have 250, that we have exchanged on, but remember buying your own house, all the things that you have to do, and double it. because we are doing it as a council. so fire certificate, gas certificate, survey, repainting, re—carpeting. all those things take time. but we have been buying at a rate of two a day. and you said that you had hoped that you would buy 300 by

christmas. we are almost there. we have exchanged on 250, but an offer we have had 370, so we are moving in that direction, yes. so what do you say to those households who are upset, frustrated, angry, that they are still in a hotel? i would say, talk to your key worker, talk to other workers, especially if you have children, is it the right place to have children, is their private rented accommodation, any alternative accommodation service, apartment, that you would like to move into? and if you would, we will try and find it for you. would you say sorry to those who are going to be in hotels over christmas? yes, i am sorry. i'm sorry that they are in hotels. but i'm also sorry... it's one of those things, that they don't feel that they trust us enough, that they can move somewhere that they

might be more comfortable before they make the final decision. of course i'm sorry. that is lack of trust, and it takes time to build up again. i don't think i have a magic a nswer to again. i don't think i have a magic answer to that. what specifically are you doing to encourage the community to trust you?” are you doing to encourage the community to trust you? i suppose actions, you know. we have taken on 300 extra staff. we have an army of people out there who we have commissioned, wraparound care, mental health workers, because it is not just about houses, mental health workers, because it is notjust about houses, it is the whole package. and i think it's about building relationships. if they have a strong relationship with they have a strong relationship with the housing officer or their key worker, and we've got a decent accommodation for them to move into, hopefully that will repair the trust. elizabeth campbell. 71 people were killed in the fire in grenfell tower and thousands of people in the area are still coping with trauma, pain and loss. in the days after the blaze there was palpable anger at how

kensington and chelsea council handled the unfolding tragedy itself. people were also frustrated at the decisions which led to the tower being clad in the materials which will be part of the focus of the inquiry which opens today. this anger has led to verbal abuse in the street, on social media and even a physical attack on one councillor. pat mason is one of those labour councillors. good morning to you. good morning. your reaction to what elizabeth campbell were saying about the challenges when it comes to providing permanent accommodation... we have heard all this before, and in a council meeting last week, she said it would bejune meeting last week, she said it would be june before all of the meeting last week, she said it would bejune before all of the survivors at grenfell warehoused. we heard mrs may in the commons back injune say it would be three weeks, then we heard it would be september, then we heard it would be september, then we heard it would be september, then we heard it would be christmas, and now it is going to bejune, but i didn't

hear her say it to you. she explained the challenges that she faces. she certainly faces challenges, after 30 years of the council mismanaging and causing a housing crisis in the borough almost worse than anywhere else in the country. sajid javid and mrs may have told us again and again in the commons that this is a national issue, a national tragedy, and they know the council is out of their depth, they know there is at crisis in housing, they know that they should have done more. they should be appropriate in all of those properties in the borough, up to 6000 properties are lying empty. they should appropriate these in the national interest for those survivors who are living... but they are buying new property. they are buying new properties, they say they are going to buy them. they are doing, they are notjust saying it. i know layard, the figure keeps going up and down, 300 by christmas, i see the figures every week, the

leader of the council produces a briefing every week. no one really believes what these figures say, because they bounce up and down. i talked to the labour mp for kensington, she gives me a different figure that is a third higher, you can't believe any of these figures, because if it was true that they had 300 houses by christmas, all of the survivors, i think about 209 by their own figures, they would be housed. all this nonsense about, we have to make sure that they want the houses or they have signed up, that they don't want to go, and by the way, there are people texting insane, those people should be going out of the borough, somewhere else, it is mrs may who stood up and told those people that they would be housed in the borough. there are thousands of properties in this borough that the government, not the council, could appropriate temporarily in the national interest to house those people by christmas. but they don't do it because they don't care. they don't care about those people. the council in the

previous administration didn't care about those people when people like me and my colleagues were standing up me and my colleagues were standing up the council talking about the housing crisis, talking about the thousands of people that we have an housed at homeless now in the borough and for the last 15 years, they didn't do it. there were plenty of people watching elizabeth campbell saying she clearly cares and she is doing the best she can. she is captive to what the last administration and the ministration before did. we are now in a where the government should have stepped in and provided those housing by taking the private properties, the buy to rents, the properties lying empty all over the borough and in kensington doing nothing, lying empty, they should appropriate those in the national interest for those survivors. you are one of several ward councillors in the area around g re nfell tower. ward councillors in the area around grenfell tower. can you tell us how some people have reacted to you since the fire? i know quite a lot of them for 20 or 30 years, so some of them for 20 or 30 years, so some of my colleagues have fared worse than me. we understand why people

are angry. of course i got attacked, but do you think that i care about that one almost a hundred people have burned to death in a block in g re nfell tower? have burned to death in a block in grenfell tower? you say that my audience got attacked, but the audience got attacked, but the audience don't know what happened —— you say you got attacked, that the audience don't know what happened. couple of guys who had got drunk knocked me down. but i have had worse, i have been threatened with death were trying to kia —— clear out drug houses. all councillors get that. so yes that happened, but those survivors are suffering 100 times worse than i ever could. and we we re times worse than i ever could. and we were there because i want to

help, i was there at the fire couple of hours afterwards, so i saw and heard things that some of those survivors saw, some of those people saw. we're part of that community as well, the councils on those areas are part of that community as well. we also feel what they feel. we also understand when we've met dozens of people who have lost their families, uncles, mothers, fathers, why some of those listeners should understand that if they lost everything, if they lost their families and lost their houses, they wouldn't be so quick at calling in to your programme to say that those people should be grateful for what they get and they should take whatever they get and should be sent out of the borough to cheaper places. those people from my point of view should just shut up and butt out. they don't live here. we don't want you talking about it. the survivors don't like you, they don't want you coming here and they don't would you coming here and they don't would you

coming here and taking selfie is up against that tower as i saw the other day. it is a complete disrespect, and it is a disrespect of those people. they don't understand that they don't care. what you hope will come out of the national memorial service this week? well, you know, iam national memorial service this week? well, you know, i am always sad when there has to be a national memorial service. i remember the king's cross fire, and that same kinds of things we re fire, and that same kinds of things were said before then about the fires on the underground every week that used to be reported in the evening standard and nobody ever did anything, and then 31 people were burned to death and 200 injured, and then they spent several millions on and they had national memorial services, and like the people in north kensington, we're fed up with memorial services and council leaders say there are sorry and that they will learn the lesson, the lessons i never learned about not doing anything now, the government is still refusing to give money for those 5000 tower blocks across england have the same firetrap conditions as grenfell. they are

doing nothing at all. those people out there don't trust the council, don't trust the government, because they don't put their money where their mouth is. i heard the chancellor say last night when questioned on tv as to why he wasn't giving money for the council to remove the cladding, he said it is up remove the cladding, he said it is up to them to do it. it is up to them, when he has cut their money millions and millions and millions cut from councils and fire services. those people out there don't trust, never mind the council, they don't trust the government, and they have proved they can't be trusted. platitudes, pr, that is what it is about. they can spot clap at 100 yards, my residents can, and that is what they hear. i required to apologise for your use of the c—word, because somebody will complain. i'm sure they will, but it

isa complain. i'm sure they will, but it is a lot less problematic than soberly burning to death, and i'm sure they hear a lot worse than that on radio, tv, and certainly in their everyday lives. think about those people burning when you worry about what i said as a c—word, i could say a lot worse than that. but i'm not going to. i'm sorry if you're offended, but i'm offended by you thinking those people should just suck it up and take it, it isjust a story. it is not a story for those people out there. they lost everything. they are suffering, traumatised, depressed, and they have no trust, never mind in the council, but in the whole system, and martin moore—bick, the inquiry, they are refusing to let us, the labourgroup, speak they are refusing to let us, the labour group, speak about and represent our residents in the inquiry. three times they have tried to stop us. the conservative councils could go there, but not as labour councillors, and we are going to change that, it is another stitch up, the people don't trust the inquiry in the same when they don't trust the government.

thank you very much for coming on the programme. pat mason, a labour council in the area around grenfell tower. three people have been hurt after a gas explosion destroyed a house and damaged several others in birstall, north of leicester. our correspondent sarah teale is at the scene. tell us more, sarah. well, hello, well, we are at the scene. we are outside the cordon and ukz in the distance a house that's been com pletely distance a house that's been completely destroyed in this explosion. now we're told that it happened at about 7.30am and the noise was so loud that people living in villages miles away reported hearing it. now the fire service have told us that that semidetached property has been completely destroyed and the one next door, another semidetached, obviously, has been partially destroyed. a significant number of houses have had their windows blasted out, there are roof tiles off ceilings and some

of the cars have also been damaged. so it's a citying explosion and we are doing told it is treated as a very serious incident. they have evacuated as a precaution a number of properties on this road, about 20, on each side and those people have been taken to the village hall and placed in emergency accommodation or with relatives. a while ago i spoke to one of the people who lives on this street, tony timson, but he was one of the first on the scene this morning.” was in bed. i heard this massive explosion. it was around about 7.30am. i looked out the window and i saw debris on the street. i came out of the house and looked across the road, about 100 yards down the road, there was a house with a big, black, puff of smoke and it was completely demolished. i knew someone was completely demolished. i knew someone was in there. a few more people came out as well. we were uming and ahing what to do. we

phoned the police and within ten minutes its fire brigade were here and they told us to move back. well, one of those people who was seriously injured, was taken by air ambulance to property with serious injuries. two other people have also been taken to hospital. now, work continues to work out exactly what has happened here. there is a significant number of people, gas engineers, the national grid, dozens of fire crews and the police trying to put right what has happened and to put right what has happened and to work out exactly what took place. thank you very much, sarah. saudi arabia says it will lift the ban on public cinemas early next year. it's part of a series of reforms taking place in the country including lifting a ban on women driving. for more on this we can speak to baria alamuddin, who is the foreign editor of the arabic newspaper al—hayat. so this ban lasted three decades.

why was it first introduced? so this ban lasted three decades. why was it first introduced7m so this ban lasted three decades. why was it first introduced? it was sfwro duced in the 70s —— intlo duced in the 70s. before that women in saudi arabia were driving, they weren't wearing very strong veils etcetera. so life changed for saudi arabia in 1976. right. and the first cinema expected to open in march 2018. how is it being greeted? well, it's greeted with greatjoy. ijust came back from saudi arabia and i saw huge transformation in the country. i haven't been there for six months and i have talked to lots and lots of women. i must say the women driving was a mixed message. some said, "no, i would women driving was a mixed message. some said, "no, iwould be women driving was a mixed message. some said, "no, i would be afraid to be amongst the first women driving." women don't have confidence with other women driving. they think

there will be lots of accidents etcetera, but i think this will go away etcetera, but i think this will go r , etcetera, but i think this will go away very, very quickly. it is interesting that i have been asked to have a conversation withjohn travolta next week on stage this week actually, not next week, in riyadh. john travolta on stage. i thought that was something. what does that say? what's the significance of that? it says that the transformation is happening. it is happening quickly. it is not only women driving and it is not only that there is every week or every day something of some kind of concert, music, orsinging, sometimes it is only men, sometimes it's men and women like we have seen but it means it is happening. it is happening very quickly. even for the people of saudi arabia, they cannot believe how quickly it is happening. people are taking it with mixed messages. some people welcome that. some people think it's time this

happened, especially the young. some of the constituents that are far from the main cities are not very happy about it, i must say. i guess the country is moving on and there is no going back. although, there are some who are warning that about the depravity of cinemas. that they will corrupt morals. yes. of course, but this is expected. most saudis i know sometimes i visit bahrain as well and you would see cars come iffing from saudi arabia, mainly to go to the movies or to go to restau ra nts go to the movies or to go to restaurants etcetera. now, the saudis have it at hom and this is indeed the majority, i would say, welcome this transformation. but will there be restrictions on the kind of films that will be shown? will there be any censorship? with

romantic movies or kissing or explicit sexual scenes, i'm sure about that, 100%. absolutely there will be. what else do you think will be reformed under the crown prince? a lot. people are talking about changes in the education system which is very much needed. women in the workplace which is very much needed. we know now that women are working in practically every sector. i went to visit some underground areas, they are fixing the metro stations and creating metro programme and inside riyadh and i have seen lots of women engineers working there. that was a revelation. people tell me that they have been there for years. it is just that it is being talked about. a friend of mine xhos daughter is becoming a commercial pilot for example. you know, you go to the kingdom now and you see a completely

atmosphere especially, especially with the young and with the class people. they see lots of opportunities everywhere, especially for women and this is welcome. thank you very much. thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you for coming on the programme. efforts to contain ongoing wildfires in southern california are focussing on a blaze which threatens the city of santa barbara. the thomas fire, as it's known, has become one of the largest in the state's history. it has damaged an area greater than that of new york city. residents in coastal beach communities have been ordered to leave. a firefighter pledged that he and his colleagues would work for as long as it took to stop the fires. hot and heavy, it moved down into this community which you see behind you, is really unfortunate, but if you, is really unfortunate, but if you turn around and see what these quys you turn around and see what these guys saved last night, what they did

last night, was amazing. they saved this entire community. we have been up, i met 29 hourstraight this entire community. we have been up, i met 29 hour straight every other day. everybody on this division, 28, 29 hour, we are exhausted, but they are not coming off until this is done. jason swift is a resident in santa barbara. the flames are a few miles from his home. it has been the worst fire that most people in this area have ever seen that most people in this area have ever seen in the last 24 hours, the fire has really spread quickly, gaining between 55 and 60,000 acres, sincejust this morning in less gaining between 55 and 60,000 acres, since just this morning in less than 24 hours. how worried are you from where you are? we are literally about 100 yards from one of the volu nta ry about 100 yards from one of the voluntary evacuation regions, but the fire itself is probably as the crow flies four to five miles away. it won't take much more to go from

being the fifth largest fire in california history to the largest fire in california history. i think it only has to get 50,000 or 60,000 more acres to do that and there is a lot of wilderness to our north that would easily burn. and what do you see from your home? can you describe that for us? it has been mainly at least from here, it has been mostly just yellow, orange brown sky and i'm originally from montana, a much colder place and in december, i'm used to seeing snow falling from the sky and having snow on the grown whereas right now, it's the fire equivalent of that, where there is ash covering everything and ash just falling from the sky. it is getting into people's homes and i've never seen into people's homes and i've never seenin into people's homes and i've never seen in my life more residents of one area wearing masks to protect

their breathing than i have in the last seven days. jason swift. melissa wants lives in ventura, where over 130 buildings have reportedly been destroyed by the wildfires. thank you very much for talking to our british audience. how alarmed are you? well, the fire started here basically a week ago on monday night and it was very alarming at the time. it burnt through about 14 miles in less than two hours coming from the east side of our area into our city and basically right into my back yard and burning down a building right on top of us on the hill that we thought was going to colla pse hill that we thought was going to collapse on to our house. fortu nately, collapse on to our house. fortunately, it did not and so we're lucky to be here and to have our home still. right. are you really

reliant on the direction of the wind as to how it is going to go next? yeah, it has been touch and go here more about a week actually. there are spot fires that erupting through the city, like palm trees are catching on fire, but for the most part, it's the major part of it is up part, it's the major part of it is up in santa barbara which is 20 or so miles away and our town is sort of, i wouldn't say we're relaxing yet, but we're trying to get back to normal, i guess. yes. in fact the governor of california said this might be the new normal, you know, to expect fires if not every year then every few years? yes. i don't know if it's then every few years? yes. i don't know if its global warming. it sure seems like it. we've never had this sustained dryness and the heat, i mean, it is 82,83 degrees in decemberfor a week mean, it is 82,83 degrees in december for a week on end with the hot, hot wind and very little

humidity and we live a few blocks from the ocean. so normally, even if it's from the ocean. so normally, even if its warm, it is still humid here. that is just not the case. thank you very much, melissa, thank you. thank you for your company today. we will be back tomorrow at 9am. have a very good day. another very cold day today with patchy ice to look out for if you're out on the roads, there could be slippery surfaces. a scattering of showers. some of which could be wintry. brightening up across wales and central parts of england, but for the south and the east, it will a bwet for the south and the east, it will abwet day and some of the rain logicalfall abwet day and some of the rain logical fall as sleet and snow, particularly over high ground. as we go through this evening and overnight, the showers becoming confined to coastal areas. a lot of

dry weather and with clear skies it will be bittery cold. these are the temperatures in towns and cities. minus 12 celsius possible in a few spots. we will see a widespread frost developing and some patches of freezing fog, but brightness first thing tomorrow morning despite it being very cold and turning cloudy with outbreaks of rain working in from the west. the rain pushing into northern ireland, western parts of scotland, wales and england as we move into the late afternoon and another cold day and that rain could fall as snow in the north. this is bbc news — and these are the top stories developing at 11:00am.

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