tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News December 18, 2017 9:00am-11:01am GMT
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hello. it's monday, it's nine o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. this morning — we'll bring you claims that sexual abuse and harassment is "endemic" in the music industry, with "dangerous men" abusing their power. young women are being sexually assaulted, still, today. there are some very dangerous assaulted, still, today. there are some very dangerous men assaulted, still, today. there are some very dangerous men in this business. right at the top? yes. currently? yes. that full exclusive report at about 0915 — and if you work in the music industry — really keen to hear from you this morning. do get in touch with your own experience. also on the programme — doctors are warning that tens of thousands of people may be at increased risk of dying early from heart attacks and strokes by misusing anabolic steroids. everything that we do in life, i think, carries a risk of heart attack, cancer, whatever it is. whatever it is, i will get that
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risk anyway. we will hear from those who use steroids and those who sell them. there are those who abuse steroids and it damages their help. that's their choice. -- damages their health. the full newsbeat report before ten. and — senior government ministers are meeting in half an hour or so to discuss in detail for the first time what the uk's future relationship with the eu should be. hello... welcome to the programme, we're live until 11. it is christmas week! throughout the programme this morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news and developing stories. a little later we'll hear from liam allan — the 22—year—old student whose rape trial collapsed after detectives failed to disclose vital evidence to the defence. he's told this programme he wants an apology from police and the cps. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today...
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theresa may is due to meet her brexit cabinet — about a dozen of her most senior ministers — to discuss for the first time what the uk's future relationship with the eu should be. later, she is expected to tell mps the uk wants to sign trade deals during what she calls an implementation period. and what everybody else calls a transition period. norman smith is at westminster. how crucial is the meeting this morning? it is one of those big ba na na morning? it is one of those big banana moments. it is a funny one, ina banana moments. it is a funny one, in a way. we've had months of them going on and on about brexit but still there hasn't been a formal sit down with senior members of the cabinet decided what is the future of britain going to be outside of the eu, and the future trading relationship, what will that be with the european union? that will happen today and it is the first time they've done it, in spite of months of debate. there is a clear
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difference between those like philip hammond and amber rudd, who think that the priority is staying close to the european union and single market so we have access still to the single market for british industry, so we take some eu rules, we stay in some eu bodies and may give them money to get access to key parts of the british economy, like the city. against them, the likes of borisjohnson the city. against them, the likes of boris johnson and michael gove, the city. against them, the likes of borisjohnson and michael gove, more optimistic about prospects for britain if wejust optimistic about prospects for britain if we just move away from europe. we do not stay bound by all of their roles because, they say, that it you look a long way ahead, big trading blocs like the eu, that will not be the name of the game, the name of the game will be small countries, agile countries able to strike their own trade deals, and thatis strike their own trade deals, and that is what britain ought to be like. there is a clear difference
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about what we ought to do in terms of our future relationship with europe. how likely is it the eu will support her plans? here is one of the big difficulties. not only has theresa may got to get a cabinet together on this but she's also got together on this but she's also got to square the eu and, overnight, we heard from the eu's chief negotiator michel barnier, he said look, if you think we are going to cut you a special deal? no way! there are certain options, you could be like norway, not in the eu, but still pa rt norway, not in the eu, but still part of the single market or, you could be like canada, which has a free trade deal but do not think that there will be any special arrangement for britain. as i say, she's not only got to hold her cabinet together but push the eu into giving us what is called a bespoke deal. norman, thank you. now let's go over to the bbc newsroom for a summary of the rest of the day's news. good morning. police in beirut say they have
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arrested a suspect as part of the investigation into the murder of a british embassy worker whose body was found by the side of a motorway. rebecca dykes was working in the capital city of beirut for the department for international development. it is thought she had been abducted and strangled after leaving a party. martin patience is in beirut. it does appear that there has been a big breakthrough in this case, lebanese police are telling us that they've arrested a suspect in the early hours of this morning. it is believed that man had been working asa believed that man had been working as a taxi driver. rebecca had been out on friday night at a going away party for a colleague. it was in a popular bar area of the city, and it was sometime after midnight that she left that bar to make our way home. it appears that perhaps she got into a taxi and then, on saturday, her body was found dumped close to a motorway on the outskirts of the city. martin patients reporting there from the lebanese capital. the increasing pressure
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on teenage boys and men in their twenties to look perfect has led to more of them taking anabolic steroids to achieve what they see as the ideal body type. today, the british cardiovascular society is warning tens of thousands at risk of dying early, as radio one newsbeat‘s dan whitworth reports. as well as heart attacks and strokes, people who take anabolic steroids also risk health problems like infertility and mood swings. everything that we do in life carries a risk of heart attack, cancer, whatever it is. so, whatever it is, i'm going to get those risks anyway, so i choose not to do certain things, and i choose this as my lifestyle instead. so, as i don't go out drinking and smoking, i take steroids. when it comes to the law, anabolic steroids are legal to use and legal to possess right across the uk. what is illegal, though, is supplying them unless you're a doctor, and if you're caught,
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you could face a prison sentence of up to 11! years. anabolic steroids cause an imbalance of hormones, which can damage many different organs, but in particular the heart. but that doesn't stop this man, who spoke on condition of anonymity, from dealing them. there's a very broad spectrum of people that use steroids. you're ranging from young guys at 18—year—olds, 19, 20, just starting out, and they're training and looking to bulk up for maybe a summer holiday, orjust to look good for... for a summer holiday? for a summer holiday, or theyjust want to attract the girls. so these are the guys that you have to be more informative when you talk to them, make them more aware of the risks and the dangers. the group which advises government on drug misuse is in the middle of a big review of anabolic steroids, and due to report its findings next year. dan whitworth, bbc news, bristol. this programme has been told that sexual abuse and harassment in the music industry are "endemic". four women have spoken about the serious assaults and rape they suffered at the hands of powerful men in the industry.
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one singer has spoken about being groomed by her manager at one of the biggest music companies in the uk when she was just 15 years old. the family of a taxi driver who was among six people killed in a road accident in birmingham yesterday, have described him as "happy" and "loving". imtiaz mohammed and his two passengers died, alongside three men in another car. crash investigators are trying to piece together what caused the pile—up. myanmar‘s leaders could face genocide charges, according to the un's human rights chief. he's told the bbc that the organised and planned nature of the persecution of the rohingya ethnic group in myanmar means genocide could not be ruled out. the plight of hundreds of thousands of rohingya people is said to be the world's fastest growing refugee crisis. there's been major disruption at the world's busiest airport in atlanta in the united states, as a result of a power cut. some passengers were left in darkened terminals at atlanta's hartsfield—jackson airport. more than 1000 flights have been cancelled and many are being diverted elsewhere.
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the airport typically handles more than 250,000 passengers and almost 2,500 flights every day. a new plan for tackling plastic waste has been outlined by the environment secretary michael gove. he says he wants to reduce the amount of plastics used in the uk and to make sure more is recycled. mr gove says he's been moved to act faster after seeing david attenborough's blue planet series which highlighted the harm to marine life from plastic litter. the four time olympic champion, sir mo farah, has won this year's bbc sports personality of the year. motorcyclist jonathan rea was second, and paralympic sprinter, jonnie peacock, was third. the pre—award favourite, heavyweight world champ anthonyjoshua, finished in fourth place. but the result wasn't the only unexpected event. when sir mo's shock victory was announced, the link to his location in london went down. eventually the line was established, this is what he had to say. as an athlete, what i've achieved
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has been incredible over the years. for all of the youngsters and to the people out there, you can work hard and you can achieve your dreams. anything is possible in life. if you believe in it, work at it, and keep grafting, anything is possible. what an amazing night it is and i wish i was there but unfortunately i cannot be there. the kids haven't been as well, but it is all exciting for us. ijust cannot well, but it is all exciting for us. i just cannot believe that well, but it is all exciting for us. ijust cannot believe that i have won! congratulations to sir mo farah. historic england has published a list of the the most unusual structures and sites given protected listed status in 2017. the national heritage list recognises places of special architectural or historic importance. historic england says the places gaining the status are increasingly quirky. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. thank you. in a fume and it's time
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we have a film that talks about the grotesque level of sexual abuse and harassment within the music industry. we will hear claims that one teenage singer—songwriter was ruined by her manager and claims that there are men at the top of the music sector in serious positions of power who, according to some women, should be injail. that's at 9:15am. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport with holly hamilton. sadly, it was only a matter of time before australia regain the ashes? yes, i feel like i've before australia regain the ashes? yes, ifeel like i've brought bad news this morning! they say that bad things happen in threes, that was the case for england this time
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around, it was all over by one innings and 41 runs, and a dominant scoreline too. to think that england had been 368—4, it feels like they let an opportunity slip. they will be kicking themselves this morning. and we did have a little bit of hope early this morning when a three—hour delay caused by some leaking covers and damp patches on the pitch provided some respite for england. but australia's bowlers — led superbly by josh but australia's bowlers — led superbly byjosh hazlewood — quite simply blew england's tail away. five wickets for hazlewood, two for pat cummins, two for nathan lyon, one for mitch starc. an innings built on a magnificent 239 by the captain, and 188 from mitch marsh. a proper team performance to go 3—0 up by australia. let's hearfrom the captains. it is bitterly
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disappointing. we have not been blown away. we have not been completely outplayed. we have put up some really good performances, but not good enough, as simple as that. in all three games, we have matched and outplayed australia, and those key moments within the game, it's a credit to those guys. that aside, they have really grasped those and driven it home. we have to learn from that and make sure that in these last two games, that they do that. it has been an amazing couple of weeks. i have really enjoyed every moment of it. we have put in so every moment of it. we have put in so much hard work, the preparation and everything that has come with the series, it has been huge and to know that everything has worked out, we've been able to get the urn back. all of those emotions, they came out at once. i am so pleased and happy for the group. for everyone, the
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support staff and everyone who has put in the work, and everything, to get that success we've had over the last couple of weeks. you can see the difference in their faces last couple of weeks. you can see the difference in theirfaces in those interviews. already, some big changes been discussed looking ahead but this will be a very hard pill for england to swallow now. studio: it's interesting to hear that giroud didn't think that england were outplayed by australia are all the time. if you had to pinpoint areas where it went wrong for england, what would you say? to be honest, throughout the series, england have outplayed in most departments, there has been a feeling that maybe there was a gap in quality? more aggression and more attack, and they are quitea aggression and more attack, and they are quite a young side. while it felt like it was the senior core of the england side who quite simply did not show up, like moeen ali, he struggled with the bat. stuart broad, he struggled with rhythm throughout. and then in the absence
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of the all—rounder ben stokes. let's hear from the england of the all—rounder ben stokes. let's hearfrom the england coach, trevor bayliss. it has changed the dynamics of ourteam, i bayliss. it has changed the dynamics of our team, i certainly think that the australian team have been too strong for us. whether he is here or not, the simple fact is that he wasn't. the guys here, in the team, they took that on board very early. they haven't been whingeing about not being here, they are getting on without him. it certainly has been a change to the setup we've had over the last couple of years. this is england's eighth defeat in eight tests in australia and their seventh successive away defeat. an early christmas present for australia. england will have to come back strong in melbourne and sydney to avoid yet another whitewash. back strong in melbourne and sydney to avoid yet another whitewashm
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is looking that way, sadly, annoyingly friends and fans. thank you. good morning. sexual abuse and harassment in the music industry are "endemic". that's what this programme has been told, while investigating the issue. over the past month we've spoken to women who have been serious sexually assaulted in the industry, and who have been told to stay quiet about the abuse they've suffered. we've heard that there are dangerous men at the top of the industry who abuse their power — and that often inappropriate behavior goes unchallenged. our reporterjean mackenzie, who's been looking at this, is here now. what have you learned? i have been speaking to women across the industry over the past month. it became quite clear quickly that there is a dark side to this industry. one woman said it has a dark underbelly. i had heard about a range of behaviour, from general cultural misogyny that exists that can make it difficult for women to
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work in, to more sinister behaviour, things like serious harassment, assault, predatory behaviour. i have spoken to women who have been seriously sexually assaulted at work. by people they work with. but i have also learned that there is a real feeling in this i have also learned that there is a realfeeling in this industry i have also learned that there is a real feeling in this industry that you have to be sexually available to get ahead. women being expected to sleep with people or do certain things to get opportunities. and if they are not willing to do those things, those opportunities can go away. it is notjust artists and musicians. we are also talking about people who work for a music companies. it is notjust women. it is men as well who are vulnerable to being exploited. there really is a sense that everyone in this industry has some sort of story to tell. why does the alleged abuse happen? this is an industry in which there are huge imbalances of power. you have people at the top who will absolutely —— wheeled absolutely enormous power, who all people's
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hopes and dreams in their hands, who can make and break careers. at the bottom we have people trying to break into this industry, which is fun, competitive and exciting. people have said, where you —— when you get that power dynamic you create an environment where abuse can happen. not only that, you create an environment where the perpetrators can get away with it. one of the things i have been so struck by in doing this is the real culture of silence that exists. people who are absolutely terrified to talk about this. and that is not just terrified to share their own experiences. people don't even want to say publicly that this is an industry with a problem. there is a real feeling that if you speak out, you lose yourjob. you may never work in the industry again because it isa work in the industry again because it is a small industry. it is entirely based on your reputation, who you know. one woman said to me, if you lose your reputation in this industry, you have lost everything.
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i have spoken to women who will never share their stories, who will never share their stories, who will never mention to anybody what has happened to them. but we did find for women who had been prepared to speak out. some of them waved their anonymity to tell their stories for the first time. in the film we are about to watch, there are some sexually explicit references. there are things you may find upsetting and you may not want your children to see. it will last for about 30 minutes. -- 13. when i first started working in the music industry, i was 21 years old, and i had just moved to london from leeds. i was working in the a and r department in a major music company. it was very sociable, very fun, there was a lot of alcohol. i went to gigs every night, it was like my dream come true job. being signed at 16, i wasjust fresh out of school, so i didn't really have a lot of experience in the music industry, and it was sort ofjust like a whirlwind. i remember the day that i got my gcse results, was like the same day as i was going off to meetings and, like, meeting big
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label people up in london. so, i've always been making music and writing songs since very young, and when i was about 13, i started putting them online. when i was 15, somebody e—mailed me, from one of the really big music companies in the uk. he said that he wanted to help me, he wanted to work with me. i got a job in a recording studio making the tea and it was the most fantasticjob ever, i loved it. i worked really, really hard. i worked with amazing people who were just, all men who just looked after me and treated me like a younger sister. i had a great time there for a couple of years. but, i was, sort of, a bit more ambitious than that. i wanted to run emi records worldwide one day. and, lo and behold, i got offered an incredible job abroad. did you have negative experiences?
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can you talk me through one of them? when i was about 23 years old, i went to a gig like i did every night. i went with a few friends from work. we met the manager of a couple of artists that we were trying to sign. he started plying me with drinks, and buying me shots. we ended up drinking quite a lot and then going back to mine to continue the night. he fell asleep on the sofa and i went to bed. i woke up in the middle of the night, and he had got into bed with me. and his fingers were inside me. he had lit all the candles in my room. he acted like it wasn't a big deal, but he did stop. but, i didn't know how long he had been doing it before i woke up.
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he went back to sleep on the sofa and in the morning he was gone. added you feel when you woke up and knew what was happening? it must have been hugely traumatic. it was one of the most horrible experiences of my life. i felt truly violated, so i went to work, and a very quietly told people. i was encouraged to keep quiet on the matter, because it would hurt our chances of signing his artist. he actually got away with assault. by the age of 16, amy had started working with the manager of one of the uk's largest music companies. she quickly became a successful artist. we have changed her name to protect her identity. for the first few years when we work together, were actually really good. my music was getting attention from labels, for the first time. we had chart success with my first videos. and we were quite a good team, until everything went wrong. what went wrong?
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well, he told me that he was in love with me, and that if i didn't agree to be his girlfriend, then he would would ruin my career. i was 17 at this point. he was quite a few years older than me, so i went along with it, and over the next two years, he continued to blackmail me and threaten me to be in a relationship. for chloe, success also came at a young age. by 16, she had been signed to a major record label, and soon after was nominated for a brit award. so, there was a guy that i was working with within the industry. we were working quite closely together, and i was a teenager. slowly, as time went on, he would sort of encourage me into doing things that i had never really done before.
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drugs, i had no experience in whatsoever. there were times when he would sort of drop me off at my hotel, and then he would text me and say, why didn't and i would be like, god, am i meant to invite this person in that i'm working with? and then i would sort of feel like, almost pressured to flirt back with him, all too sort of not make it seem weird. because i didn't want to disappoint this guy who i thought held my career in his hands. he started sending me texts, one night, completely out of the blue. telling me that he was madly in love with me, that if he wasn't working with me, he would be totally cracking onto me. iwas 18, i remember one night he grabbed my bum and said something along the lines of, i feel that we would have a really good time in the sack. and, i was a teenager. i was off my face. i haven't come forward and spoken about it, because i know that people would have said,
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you were off your face, you know. you are a flirt. 0r whatever it is. and it did make me feel very comfortable and sort of ashamed, because i would feel like, am i leading this guy on? am i letting this happen? am i meant to be letting it happen? so, what's did your relationship look like? being in the relationship was pretty horrible because i had to continuously act as though the feelings were mutual, because, if you saw any signs that they weren't, then he would get very angry. he made a list of all the things that i was and wasn't allowed to do. and, it had things like showing him more affection, talking to my friends and family less, and making sure that he was the person i talked to be most in my life. he convinced me that he was the only reason i was having any success. and that if i told anybody that success would go away. and no one would want to work with me
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without him in the picture. in her 20s, michelle got her break, and landed a job abroad, working for a big music company. but, when she arrived, she was told her work permit had not come through, and she had to stay with an older more senior colleague. i'd only been there a few days when small things happened. he would walk into my room with no clothes on. and then, one night, he came into the room and said that he wanted to sleep with me. i mean, iwas a young girl, and i really didn't know how to handle them this kind of thing, because i had never come across this before. he would masturbate in front of me. he would masturbate on me. and say, i know you really like it. you must have been terrified. oh, i felt ashamed, actually. i felt really ashamed. i felt like a sex slave, actually.
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that's the best way to describe it. but, i found out, actually who the immigration people were that i needed to speakto, and i rang them up, and they said that they had my immigration papers ready for several months. and, i got myself an apartment, and i continued working at the company for several months. one day, i was with a girl in the office, and we were told, could we go and see him after work? so, we went up to his office, and then he turned around to us both, took out his penis, and said, "i want to have a threesome with you. come on girls, let's do it." we went to a lawyer, and we were categorically told that he had committed a serious crime. but, the lawyer said, if you report this, you will never work in the industry again. so, we went for a coffee, we handed in our notice, and
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never went back to the office again. what happened to this man? where is he in the industry now? he is still in it, and i do know for a fact that he has had other allegations against him. being a musician is all that i ever wanted. for my whole life. and it was finally happening. it should have been the best time in my life, but it was actually the worst time of my life. by now, amy says her manager had started to sexually assault her. i didn't want to survive any more, because it wasjust a horrible life. i thought, i'm going to get a nine to five job, and i'll be banned from the music industry. but, i'd rather be banished from doing what i love, than have to spend any more time with this man. looking back, do you think that he groomed to? yes, i do think he groomed me. i was 15 when we met, and he was looking online for a girl to manage.
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it does worry me that he is still working, and that this might happen to somebody else. from afar, i check up on him to make sure that he is not managing other young girls. and, at the moment he isn't. jasmine put out a call asking women to share their experiences of sexual misconduct in the music industry. to share their experiences of sexual misconduct in the music industrylj expected misconduct in the music industry.” expected a stories of sexual harassment. he wouldn't stop looking at my boots or i got on wanted compliments from him all the time. but what i have actually received a stories of rape, insisting on receiving bludgeons, seriously assaulting women, chasing them down the street, raping them in apartments. i thought, the street, raping them in apartments. ithought, i'm going the street, raping them in apartments. i thought, i'm going to do this. it was a big thing for me to do. and then i woke up in the
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morning and my facebook feed was full of almost every other woman i know in the music industry also saying, mean to —— me, too. know in the music industry also saying, mean to -- me, too. how widespread you think this sort of abuses? probably more than we will ever know because people like myself are always going to be too scared to come forward. and i think that's what we need to change as an industry and as a society. sexual assault and abuse in the music industry is endemic. i don't have a single peer in the music industry who has never been sexually harassed or assaulted. i know girls who have been raped. and it's always a man in power and a been raped. and it's always a man in powerand a girl on been raped. and it's always a man in power and a girl on the rise who needs as much support as possible, whose career hasn't started yet and whose career hasn't started yet and who maybe this is her first big shot. i know that i'm very lucky to have the experiences that i have
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had, they haven't gone any further. that sounds mad. what do you mean? to say you are lucky. yeah. it's grossed out what i —— that i think what happened to me is an easy ride. it is sick that i think what's happened to me is one of the good stories. it should be nothing at all. michelle has gone on to a successful career in music and is now working in the film industry. why have you decided to finally speak about what has happened to you? i never wanted to happen to anyone again. i thought i was a hangover of the 1980s, 1990s. i thought that sort of behaviour was no longer in the business but it is clear that that behaviour is still going on. young women are being sexually assaulted still today. there are some very dangerous men in this business. right at the top?
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yes. currently? yes, i have no doubt that there are people working in the music industry today who should not be working in the music industry. i have no doubt that there are people working in the music industry today who should be in prison. i have absolutely no doubt that they think that they are safe. that they think that they are safe. that they think that they are untouchable. maybe some of the horrific things they did we re some of the horrific things they did were a long time ago. they have probably forgotten about them but i can assure you that their victims have not. a lot of people have come to me and said, don't stick your neck out on this. this could affect your chances of getting work in future. but if this is the hill i die on, so be it. i future. but if this is the hill i die on, so be it. lam future. but if this is the hill i die on, so be it. i am angry. future. but if this is the hill i die on, so be it. lam angry. things need to change. uk music, which represents the industry told us "any form or abuse or harassment in the music industry or any other workplace or section of society should never be tolerated." more reaction to this
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to come after ten. if you work in the music industry do get in touch and share your stories with us this morning. you can do that anonymously, of course. still to come. as senior government ministers meet to discuss what the uk's future relationship with the eu should be — we'll ask what reception theresa may will get with her cabinet still split on the issue. and with doctors warning about the increased risk of people dying early from heart attacks and strokes by misusing anabolic steroids, we have a newsbeat report following one user. time for the latest news with annita. the headlines on bbc news this morning: theresa may is due to meet her brexit cabinet today to discuss for the first time what the uk's future relationship with the eu should be. the pm will later tell mps the uk wants to sign trade deals during a transition period. eu leaders have agreed talks can move on, including to discuss a transition deal for a post—brexit period. labour has raised concerns
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that trade may not be discussed for months. police in beirut say they have arrested a suspect as part of the investigation into the murder of a british embassy worker whose body was found by the side of a motorway. rebecca dykes was working in the capital city of beirut for the department for international development. it is thought she had been abducted and strangled after leaving a party. tens of thousands of people may be at increased risk of dying early from heart attacks and strokes by misusing anabolic steroids, according to doctors. the british cardiovascular society gave the warning amid concern steroids are now being taken by hundreds of thousands of people. public health experts say men in their teens and 20s are behind the rise. this programme has been told that sexual abuse and harassment in the music industry are "endemic". four women have spoken about the serious assaults and rape they suffered at the hands of powerful men in the industry. one singer has spoken about being groomed by her manager
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at one of the biggest music companies in the uk when she was just 15 years old. the four time olympic champion, sir mo farah, has won this year's bbc sports personality of the year. motorcyclist jonathan rea was second, and paralympic sprinter, jonnie peacock, was third. the pre—award favourite, heavyweight world champ anthonyjoshua finished in fourth place. but the result wasn't the only unexpected event. when sir mo's victory was announced, the link to his location in london went down. eventually the line was established. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now with holly hamilton. good morning. coming up in sport — australia crush england in the third test at the waca to wrap up the ashes series 3—0. england needed to bat throughout the final day of the third test in perth to force a draw — and keep the series alive. but they lost the game by an innings and 41 runs. celtic manager brendan rodgers says their 69—game unbeaten domestic
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run may never be surpassed by another team after his side were thrashed 4—0 at hearts. manchester united manager jose mourinho says his side will "fight until the last match" after they moved back to within 11 points of premier league leaders manchester city by beating west brom 2-1. and european champions saracens look like they'll now need to try to reach the quarterfinals as one of three best pool runners—up after losing 24—21 to group leaders clemont auvergne in france. more on all of those stories and reaction to the ashes result coming up reaction to the ashes result coming up at ten o'clock. studio: holly, thank you. theresa may is meeting her brexit cabinet — about a dozen of her most senior ministers — right now, to discuss for the first time what the uk's future relationship with the eu should be. what kind of reception will she get from a cabinet which appears to contain some
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splits on the issue? that is a slight understatement! let's talk to anushka asthana, the joint political editor of the guardian. hugh bennett is deputy editor at brexitcentral and a veteran of the vote leave campaign. dr simon usherwood is a politics lecturer and deputy director of uk in a changing europe, a group of academics who do independent analysis of the uk's relationship with the eu. so, she has to get her cabinet to agree to a united position, how tricky is that going to be?” agree to a united position, how tricky is that going to be? i do not think she will find it hard to get them to a united position on what their opening negotiation position should be on the final trading outcome. basically, most of the cabinet will swing behind the canada plus plus plus agreement he called it, an agreement with other services added in. they agreed that is where they should be aiming. there are varied opinions on how realistic thatis varied opinions on how realistic that is and where we will land at
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the end but there is a sticking point over the question of transition. theresa may and philip hammond have basically put out the argument that things will stay the same. after march 2019, things will ultimately stay the same, or we will lose our seat. michael gove definitely does not agree, he thinks there are particular things that will come out, like the fisheries policy, during transition. but a sticking point. and you mean the same rules and regulations that we, asa same rules and regulations that we, as a member, followed now. and also freedom of freedom of movement of people? they talk about having the same level of market access that we've got now. how will you achieve that? by following eu rules. there will be a change in the registration system that they will not ultimately be bringing in their new immigration system until transition. be bringing in their new immigration system untiltransition. and be bringing in their new immigration system until transition. and you probably read borisjohnson's interview yesterday, hugh, he said that we need to do something new and ambitious that leaves zero tariffs
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and frictionless trade but still gives important freedom to decide our own regulatory framework and laws. can we stay aligned with some bits of the eu, and still strike free trade deals with other countries? it depends on the terms of the deal that we agree. the thing the uk has to be careful of is not getting locked into legally binding treaties, which forces alignment on issues. of course, we will not diverged dramatically overnight from the eu regulations, there are some areas where the government, as theresa may said in her florence beach, there are some areas where a higher degree of alignment is better but other areas where it is more in our interest to divert but the key is not getting locked in because we do get locked in with some of these things, particularly things like agriculture which is a big part of eu law, but also a big part of trade deals done around the world. if we are bound to follow eu agriculture laws to closely it can harm our
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ability to do proper trade deals with others around the world.“ britain diverged totally, simon, with they impose tariffs and other barriers? the question is, does it diverged from the framework that you've got? the eu would like to keep us close in alignment, but any divergences raises questions of what sanctions or penalties the eu could impose. you have real tension between wanting to have flexibility but also not wanting to impose barriers with your existing relations. the balance of that, i think, is something that is not clear how you make it work, i knew the site. they both say that they wa nt the site. they both say that they want a good and close relationship but how you make that work in practice, i think, but how you make that work in practice, ithink, really but how you make that work in practice, i think, really is not clear. what is the reaction to the eu's chief negotiator on brexit, michel barnier, saying in an interview that there will not be a
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bespoke dealfor interview that there will not be a bespoke deal for britain, interview that there will not be a bespoke dealfor britain, and interview that there will not be a bespoke deal for britain, and that is not what britain once? the reaction to that is, hang on, that is their negotiating position, we have ours, we do not assume that is the outcome but a lot of experts would say, who knew that we would be talking about regulator lou alignment for a couple of years? but many would see it is hard to break away from a deal —— regulatory alignment for a couple of years? do we wa nt alignment for a couple of years? do we wantan alignment for a couple of years? do we want an economy like norway or one like canada? when you get to that point, there are divisions across parliament and also within the conservative party. what will the conservative party. what will the next couple of years be like, in till march 2019? it will feel like ten years! judging from negotiation so far it will feel like there is a lot going on but the next key battle is the transition. as for the eu wants to talk about next. obviously, theresa may has competing interests,
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brexiteers are slightly uncomfortable about the idea that transition isjust uncomfortable about the idea that transition is just going uncomfortable about the idea that transition isjust going to be staying in the customs union or the single market. how do you feel about that? i don't think it is ideal but it does look like we are going to go down that route. i think the most important thing is to secure these concessions that she is talking about and we are expecting her to talk about later today in the commons. in securing an ability for britain to sign trade deals in this period. michael gove wants to come out the common fisheries policy, we may not be able to get a different agreement on the overall architecture of the transition period. but on things that are not essential, like frictionless trade in the transitional period, that's the approach. in trade deals with other countries, i think it might be symbolic rather than substantive, these are complicated deals. a lot of other countries will not want to conclude a deal until we know what
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the relationship with the eu is. we will see a lot of debate in the remainderof will see a lot of debate in the remainder of these negotiations about what is actually meaningful and what might be more about things to take home and show that we have won a victory in negotiations. there is still a lot on the table, despite what we've agreed last week. 0k, thank you all. thank you for coming in. we appreciate it. coming up, we speak to the 22—year—old student whose rape trial collapsed after detectives failed to disclose vital evidence. liam allan on this programme after 10.30. he is here with his mum. tens of thousands of people may be putting themselves at increased risk of dying early from heart attacks and strokes because they're mis—using anabolic steroids. british heart doctors have issued the stark warning amid concern steroids are now being used by a growing number of people,
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particularly young men, in pursuit of what they see as the perfect body. steroids are legal to use and legal to possess across the uk — but illegal to supply unless you're a doctor. radio 1 newsbeat‘s daniel whitworth reports. the way people chase the dream of their perfect body is changing. the pressure men are now facing is similar to what women have had to deal with for decades. diets, workouts, days spent in the gym. for many, young men especially, anabolic steroids are being increasingly used to help achieve that dream. in this film, i'm going to find out from one user why he takes them and put him through a series of tests to see what damage, if any, they have done to his body. i'll hear from the experts, look at the law surrounding steroid use in the uk, and speak to a dealer about why he does it. garethjenkins, who's 29 and lives just outside of cardiff,
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is one of the estimated hundreds of thousands of people who regularly take anabolic steroids to build muscle. i've been using steroids for about four, five years. when you train naturally, which i have done for number of years before using steroids, you tire quicker. you ache more. and obviously, when you use the performance—enhancing drug which is the steroid, you don't come you don't have those muscle soreness anywhere near as much. i feel more awake. i feel better in myself. i feel more manly. i've got a higher sex drive. there are some serious potential risks you are running from a medical perspective about using steroids, things like increased risk of heart attacks, increased risk of strokes, mood swings, infertility. do those things not worry you? the way i look at it is, yes, they do bother me, obviously, but, like, everything... so you're aware of the risks? i'm fully aware. and the consequences? fully aware, yeah.
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i've done my research to see obviously what harm or potential harm it would have on me over a prolonged period of time if i was using them, whether i was using them correctly or incorrectly but the fact of the matter is in terms of the risks, is everything that we do in life now carries a risk of heart attack, cancer, whatever it is. so whatever it is, i'm going to get those risks anyway so i choose not to do certain things and i choose this as my lifestyle instead. so whereas i don't go out drinking and smoking, i take steroids. steroids can cause health problems because they create an imbalance of hormones in the body which can damage many organs but especially the heart. garreth says he tries to minimise any risk by taking his steroids in cycles, like 16 weeks on and then eight weeks off. there's two types of steroid. there is one which comes in a liquid form, which is an intramuscular injection. that is this type. so you inject that? i would inject this directly into a muscle two times a week. and then the other type is in tablet form. when i'm using this type
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of steroid, i would use five per day for seven days. so basically, five per day, every day. so over the course of a period of around six months when you on steroids for that long, roughly how much do you think you spent? at a rough estimate, probably with the cycle itself and the post—course treatment, would be about £500, i suspect. that's a lot of money. it is. it's probably a lot less in six months than somebody who is spending it on drink on a weekend. worth it, do you think? for me personally, yeah. when it comes to the law on anabolic steroids, it is legal to use them and legal to possess them right across the uk. what is illegal, though, is supplying them, unless you are a doctor, and that means either selling them orjust passing them on for free. if caught, you could face up to 1a years in prison. because gareth is only using steroids, not supplying them, he's not in any trouble with the law. it could be a different story
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with his health, though. so later this week, he's agreed to go to london for a series of tests that will find out what damage, if any, he's done to his heart. keep your throat still. i basically starting working out because i was bullied really bad when i was younger, for being small and basicallyjust a feral child of the school. so ijust ended up locking myself away in the gym, training and getting bigger and stronger. getting inked. it all sort of fell into one big procedure, that i seem to be doing in a lifestyle way, pretty much. yeah, in the middle there is not nice. the rest of it is fine so far. so going down to london to have all those tests done, which i'm excited about, to be honest with you, yet slightly nervous because obviously, it could come back that there is something significantly wrong and if i don't change my lifestyle, then... obviously, i could
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have health issues. my prediction is that i think i would be pretty stupid if i thought that my heart wouldn't have changed, you know, four or five years, with the use of any performance enhancing drug that is anabolic, it is going to have that effect. so i think if it hasn't, then what i have been taking is fake and i've done it naturally. so... laughter. and obviously, if it is significant, there will be no doubt in my mind that i will obviously change my lifestyle overnight. whether people use or abuse anabolic steroids is a matter of opinion. for some in the medical world, if steroids are not prescribed by a doctor, then it is simple. taking them is of use. —— abuse. many people who researched dosages and try to minimise the risks, though, would say they don't abuse them but instead use them. one thing that is widely agreed on, though, is that the issue is now
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affecting more people than ever before. we don't know the exact number of anabolic steroid users there are but it certainly measures in the hundreds of thousands. we are seeing now a different population of users. while we still have people who are using them for the purpose of body—building, we are seeing a new population of predominantly young males but also quite older males as well, who are using them purely for cosmetic purposes. there's a number of pressures on young men and most of these pressures were not around a generation ago. these are things like social media. mainstream advertising, even. if ever you see a man with his shirt off, then chances are they will have quite a well—defined physique. again, males may not be geared up to dealing with this. this is something that women have had to deal with for generations, but this is quite a new thing for men. for gareth, he is about to undergo a series of tests which will check what damage, if any,
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he's done to his heart. the person in charge is cardiology doctor, anil malhotra. we are going to do three tests today. yeah. the first is to look at the electoral activity of the heart. the second is to look at the heart muscle itself. yeah. and the third is to actually exercise your heart and we will see how you have performed. right. is that all right? yeah, no problem. nhs guidelines say that by taking anabolic steroids, gareth is risking side—effects like infertility, mood swings and even heart attack and stroke. this is the sound of the blood flowing across the valves of your heart. we are just assessing how quickly the blood flows through the valve and we are able to see whether there is any narrowing of the valve or any leakages as well. i suspect that they will show some form of thickness or abnormality to the heart. it is bound to have changed in some way after four or five years of taking a performance enhancing drug. the british cardiovascular society
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says tens of thousands of people could be putting themselves at increased risks of the most serious side—effects by taking anabolic steroids. i am cycling towards a cheesecake. and i'll get there! billionaire's cheesecake on the horizon. let's get there. after pushing himself to the limit, gareth will be able to find out how his heart has performed and what effect his steroid users had. with hundreds of thousands of people now thought to be taking steroids every year, right across the uk, clearly they are getting them from somewhere. but government figures show that for the whole of 2015 and 2016, right across england and wales, there were just 25 convictions relating to the illegal supply of steroids and just seven of those ended with a prison sentence. so for this man, who spoke on condition of anonymity,
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the law hasn't come close to stopping him from dealing. we know you supply steroids. we know you're a steroid dealer. obviously, it is illegal. you are breaking the law. a lot of people say you are putting people's lives, their health, certainly, at risk. what do you say to that? to start off with the health risks, i think steroids are readily available to anyone who wants to access them at the moment. i like to see myself as more of somebody who provides information. you know, to ensure people can do it safely. look, people are going to use them regardless of whether they buy them from me or whether they buy them from an unknown source online. but if they can talk to me about it, then, how to inject themselves safely, or look at dosages or if i can help them, even if not to take steroids, if i don't think it is appropriate for them, then i will. that is the reason i try to, that is the reason i'm involved in it. who are the types of people getting them from you?
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who is coming to you for these steroids? there's a very broad spectrum of people that use steroids. it ranges from young guys, 18 years old, 19, 20, who are just starting out in their training and they are looking to bulk up for maybe a summer holiday or to look good. for a summer holiday? for a summer holiday or theyjust want to attract the girls. they want to go out on a night out and attract the girls. these are the guys that are less aware. you have to be more informative when you talk to them about it, make them more aware of the risks and dangers. if you go to an instagram page and there is a guy on there who looks a certain way and he has got 300,000 likes, women commenting on him, saying, "you look amazing, you look this or that". because he's well built? yeah, yeah, yeah, and the guys are going, "oh, you look really buff, your arms are huge", all that sort of stuff. they're the comments that you will see and these young guys feel pressured to try to strive to achieve that. even ten years ago, before social media was around, you were onlyjudged by your peers, the people that you knew and that he met. what about the health of the people who you are supplying these drugs do? they convey things like infertility, mood swings, they can
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face getting strokes, decades earlier than the average am a heart attacks. it is illegalfor a reason. yeah. but i don't agree with it being illegal because i will tell you that doctors prescribed testosterone to people. so there's a reason... you are not a doctor. no, no, i'm saying that doctors prescribe it so steroids or testosterone in this example, if it was killing people left, right and centre, they would not be prescribing it and i think the media sensationalises it. i'm going to tell you now, there are people that abuse steroids and they do damage their health and that is their choice. one man who is all too aware of the risks of taking steroids he has got on the black market is gareth and after using them for nearly five years, he is about to find out the effect they have had on his heart. take a seat. we can go over your results. so i have got your ecg tracing and i have seen your echo report and the reports from the exercise test as well. yeah, yeah. what it shows is that your heart is working well. right.
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and that's... you have come through your exercise test well as well. yeah. but we do think that you are at the upper limit of normal in terms of the thickness of the wall of your heart and that is most likely due to your weightlifting and your steroid use. yeah. you are still young and you have not been using steroids for that long but if one does continue to do so, then you are putting yourself at increased risk of heart attacks and potentially strokes as well. yeah. you know, steroid use has a variety of bad effects on the heart. i class myself as quite a sensible person. taking my own health into account that it willjust be sensible, being the key word, do not push the boundary to the point where something is not reversible. so to not keep using steroids? to not keep using steroids, yeah. all for the better. cheaper, too! it looks like gareth's steroid days
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might be numbered but he isjust one of hundreds of thousands of users. dealers are unlikely to get caught. the number of convictions for supply is low. doctors want change. worried about potential long—term health problems for users. so is change on the way? well, we do know that the group that advises the government on drug misuse is in the middle of a big review into steroids. we don't know yet what it is going to say. much more on that to come on radio 1 newsbeat and you can read about it on the site bbc.co.uk/newsbeat. latest news and sport at ten. now matt with the weather. good morning. a big travel week for many. the weather may play a part. this morning there was some mist and fog around glasgow, manchester and
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birmingham. for most, the start of the working week looks like this. frost on the ground, sunny skies overhead. for most, the sunnis guys will last all day. thicker cloud for the far north of scotland. here is where it will be a great day. elsewhere, barely a breath of wind. that means the fog will be slowly shifting. sunny skies throughout. temperatures only slowly lifting. still a little on the chilly side today in the north and east. in the west, temperatures will climb. particularly across the hebrides. 10 degrees in stornoway. the wind, cloud and occasional rain is the price to pay. sitting on the hills of northern ireland and scotland, some fog. a widespread —— widespread
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frost in southern england. if you are on the move tomorrow morning, there could be some problems on the roads. also at the airports. particularly the midlands, east anglia and the south of england. dense and widespread fog throughout the rush hour. that will be slow to shift. it could affect some major airports. check with your travel company before you head out. that fog will lingerfor a good part of the day. there will be some good sunny breaks. sunshine breaking through the cloud for north—east scotland. part of antrim, north—east england, too. otherwise, cloudier in the west. patchy rain or drizzle on the west. patchy rain or drizzle on the hills. if you do get the sunshine, 1a, 15 degrees possible in the moray firth. three or 4 degrees we re the moray firth. three or 4 degrees were the fog lingers. into tuesday night, the rain spreads across scotla nd night, the rain spreads across scotland and northern ireland, allowing clearer conditions and
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brighter weather for the allowing clearer conditions and brighter weatherfor the middle allowing clearer conditions and brighter weather for the middle part of the week. freddie gray in england and wales. not a huge amount of sunshine. dense fog here and there. overall it will be a mild day. patchy rain and drizzle into northern england, north and west wales. this week and not a huge amount of rain. if you are on the move, keep across the forecast. light winds could lead to some dense fog. hello, it's monday, it's ten o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire. this morning: claims that sexual abuse and harassment is "endemic" in the music industry, with "dangerous men" abusing their power. young women are being sexually assaulted. still, today. there are some very dangerous men assaulted. still, today. there are some very dangerous men in this business. right at the top? yes. currently? yes. we hear stories from
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other women in the industry. and — after a 22—year—old student's rape trial collapsed after detectives failed to disclose vital evidence. text and whatsapp messages that proved his innocence, he tells the programme that he wants an apology. we will hear from liam allan after 10:30am. also on the programme — he was one of the last men to be hanged in britain, convicted of murdering a man who had been his best friend, but was gwynne owen evans a victim of a miscarriage ofjustice? we will bring the story in the next 30 minutes. time for the latest news with annita. theresa may is due to meet her brexit cabinet today to discuss for the first time what the uk's future relationship with the eu should be. the pm will later tell mps the uk wants to sign trade deals during a transition period. eu leaders have agreed talks can move on, including to discuss a transition deal
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for a post—brexit period. labour has raised concerns that trade may not be discussed for months. police in beirut say they have arrested a suspect as part of the investigation into the murder of a british embassy worker whose body was found by the side of a motorway. rebecca dykes was working in the capital city of beirut for the department for international development. it is thought she had been abducted and strangled after leaving a party. tens of thousands of people may be at increased risk of dying early from heart attacks and strokes by misusing anabolic steroids, according to doctors. the british cardiovascular society gave the warning amid concern steroids are now being taken by hundreds of thousands of people. public health experts say men in their teens and 20s are behind the rise. this programme has been told that sexual abuse and harassment in the music industry are "endemic". four women have spoken about the serious assaults and rape they suffered at the hands
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of powerful men in the industry. one singer has spoken about being groomed by her manager at one of the biggest music companies in the uk when she was just 15 years old. the family of a taxi driver who was among six people killed in a road accident in birmingham yesterday, have described him as "happy" and "loving". imtiaz mohammed and his two passengers all died, alongside three men in another car. crash investigators are trying to piece together what caused the pile—up. two adults and a child being treated in hospital after a fire broke out ata in hospital after a fire broke out at a 5—star hotel on the banks of loch lomond. 12 appliances are at the scene and crews are in the building, fighting the blaze. that's the summary of the latest bbc news, more at half past ten. some breaking news, the queen has approved the nomination of the right reverend sarah mullally as the new
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bishop of london. downing street have just announced that, that makes her the most senior woman in the church. our religious affairs correspondent martin bashir is here, tell us about this woman and why it is so historic? a historic moment for women, 25 years after the first woman priest, when the general synod announced in 1992 that women could become priests, a woman has risen to what people describe as the holy trinity of the hierarchy of the church of england. sarah mullally has been appointed this morning, the announcement was made by downing street. she is a former nurse, and she rose to become the director of nursing in the department of health in 1999. she is actually, she actually had a formidable career in the nhs and decided to train part—time theologically, she did it in her own time and was ordained in 2001. she continued to practice in
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the department of health but also part—time in the church. eventually went full—time in 200a. she was appointed bishop of credit and just in 2015. it's a meteoric rise but hugely significant for issues of equality within the church of england. what do we know about her views on controversial issues like 93v views on controversial issues like gay marriage, for example? she has not publicly expressed a view that is different to the church of england. she has been on the national safeguarding steering group which, as you know, has been responsible for looking at the church's management of child sexual abuse and on friday i reported a situation involving bishop george bell, who was wrongly accused posthumously of abuse and the church had to make an apology. she is on the steering group. when you become bishop of london, you also receive the title of dean of the chapels
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royal, they are unique institutions which do not have a bishop overseeing them but the moniker. st george ‘s chapel in windsor and westminster abbey. we know that in may that is going to be a rather special wedding and it might be possible, i'm not certain, but it may be possible that she presides at the wedding of prince harry to meghan markle. that would be a hugely significant event or so. martin, thank you. let me read you some comments which have come in from you, having watched our film about claims of sexual abuse and harassment within the music industry. our investigation has effectively shown that kind of behaviour is endemic. april on twitter said, if we all shared our experiences of the music industry online, most of my female friends would be sued. it is endemic. those attackers believe that they are untouchable. gordon, on twitter, says that he is sickened by what you
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have discovered in the music industry. the dark side. nick says, trust me, it isn'tjust women being raped by men, myself and my old lead guitarist were forced into a sexual situation with a 45—year—old woman to getan situation with a 45—year—old woman to get an interview with a label. she plied us with cannabis and alcohol. until we were not ourselves. if you are getting in touch with those, you are welcome. if you prefer, you can remain anonymous. use the hashtag or send us an e—mail or use whatsapp, or you can leave us a message on facebook. here's some sport now with holly hamilton. the bringer of bad news, i am afraid! australia have crushed england in the third test at the waca to wrap up the ashes series 3—0. the visitors needed to bat throughout the final day of the third test in perth to force a draw — and keep the series alive. but they lost their remaining six wickets in 3a overs to be bowled out for 218. they lost the game by an innings and 41 runs. captainjoe root admits the result is "hard to take" but they'd carry on fighting in the two remaining
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tests. it is bitterly disappointing. one of the most frustrating things is that we haven't been blown away. we have not been completely outplayed. we have put up some really good performances, just not for long enough, as simple as that, really. in all three games there have been periods when we have matched and outplayed australia put those key moments within the game, credit to the guys on this side, they have grasped bows and driven home. we will learn from that and make sure in these last two games, it is us but does it. it has been an amazing couple of weeks. i have really enjoyed every moment of it. we have put in so much hard work that the preparation and everything that the preparation and everything that has come with the series, it has been huge. we've been able to
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get that back. all of the emotions came out at once, i am so pleased and happy for the group. so a bitter pill for england to swallow — i thinkjoe root‘s face says it all there.. england will have to dust themselves off now and come back strong — still two tests to go victoria. thank you. good morning. a group of women working across the music industry have told us that sexual harassment is prominent. we have heard from artists and musicians, as well as women working for music companies who have recounted incidents of serious abuse and assault. some are collecting evidence and to uncover how widespread this behaviour is within the sector. reggie mckenzie has shown some of those stories. before
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we show this film, we should say that it does contain graphic sexual descriptions. —— jean mckenzie. when amy was 15, she was contacted by a managerfrom one of the uk's largest music companies. they started working together and she quickly became a successful artist. soon after, she says, everything went wrong. he told me that he was in love with me and that if i didn't agree to be his girlfriend, then he would ruin my career. over the next two years, he continued to blackmail me and threatened me to be in a relationship. what sort of things did he say to you to make you stay with him? he convinced me that he was the only reason i was having any success and that if i told anybody, that success would go away. for chloe howe, success also came at a young age, after being signed atjust 16. she says that while she has experienced serious harassment, she knows girls who have
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had far worse. i know girls who have been raped and it is always a man in power and a girl on the rise who needs as much support as possible, whose career hasn't started yet. yasmin is a music manager and last month, frustrated by the amount of harassment she had seen and experienced in the industry, she put out a call asking women to come forward with their stories. what i have found is that i'm getting less stories of sexual harassment and innuendo and more stories of serious sexual assault, more rape stories that i could possibly have imagined. this has encouraged michelle to speak out after more than 20 years. while working for a major music company in her 20s, she says a more senior colleague repeatedly assaulted her. one day, i was with a girl in the office and we were told, could we go and see him after work?
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so we went up to his office and then he turned around to us both, took out his penis and said, "i want to have a threesome with you, come on girls, let's do it". we went to a lawyer and we were categorically told that he had committed a serious crime. but the lawyer said, "if you report this, you will never work in the industry again". why have you decided to finally speak about what has happened to you? because i never want it to happen to anybody again. young women are being sexually assaulted still today. there are some very dangerous men in this business. looking back, do you think that he groomed you? yeah, i do think he groomed me. i was 15 when we met and he was looking online for a girl to manage. i have no doubt that there are people working in the music industry today who should be imprisoned. maybe some of the horrific things they did were long time ago. they have probably
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forgotten about them. but i can assure you that their victims haven't. let's talk now to yasmin lajoie. isabelle gutierrez is from the musicians' union. since the harvey weinstein allegations, they have set up an anonymous reporting system, and are gathering evidence of the abuse that's happening in the industry. diane wagg is head of the music managers forum, and a respected veteran music manager in the industry. and helienne lindvall is a former singer, now songwriter, and is the director of the british academy of songwriters. thank you for coming onto the programme. what is your reaction to what our investigation has discovered? it is horrendous. i honestly cannot say that i am surprised but it is so sad that this is happening. it is heartbreaking. i thought that these stories came from the 19805 and 19905. it is shocking to me, having been in the business for many decades now, to hear this,
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it is horrible. i agree, and i think they are very brave coming out and speaking on camera. one of the big reasons we are where we are is because women are shamed into silence a lot. i think a lot of people, when they heard the harvey weinstein thing, one of the things in the tape with him, he was saying, don't embarrass me. a lot of people have been there in that situation. you are trying to turn somebody down, you don't want to offend them. because if you do... that is what chloe was saying. you can flirt but keep it light and johnny without hacking him. it is her career. yes. —— and jolly. this is an e—mailfrom someone who wishes to remain
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anonymous. i worked in the music industry as a singer, i was propositioned in my mid 20s by an executive, he said if i slept with him,i executive, he said if i slept with him, i would get the record deal. i didn't take up the offer and did not get the record deal. somebody had taken my destiny in their hands and manipulated it. i do wonder if actually, because of the internet, anybody can put their name on —— put their music online. more young people can be targeted by predatory men, in particular, in the music industry? i think that is correct. but it is not just the i think that is correct. but it is notjust the music industry. we have a problem with schoolchildren and social media. we are all doing a lot of work towards this. we were actually addressing this before me too and harvey weinstein. the good thing is it has accelerated phase. everybody is talking about. we
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represent over 500 music managers in the uk. we have got a network of about 2700 in america. we have a code of practice. we have been through it earlier this year with a formal complaints procedure. we offer advice. we have also published a health and welfare guide. there is a health and welfare guide. there is a lot going on. it is so clear, this culture of silence. you have set up this anonymous reporting system. but people are still scared command they? they are. i think it is the reason i would say the people have come forward our two figures rather than three figures. that barely scratches the surface. we have gone out of our way to say we will add non—demise cases. if we have somebody coming forward who doesn't wa nt somebody coming forward who doesn't want their case talked about in an
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anonymous fashion, we won't do that. people are terrified about what will happen to their careers. on the spectrum of the complaints you have received, what sort of things are people saying? we were -- we have had more on the harassment side than some of the serious things we saw in the film today. they are obviously still incredibly serious cases. i suspect that people who have these truly horrendous stories to tell our frightened to put it in an e—mail form to anybody, even if it is an marmoz. we have been dealing with cases like this from members for a long time. but obviously it takes a lot of guts to come forward with something like that. the cases we have dealt with in the past have been the tip of the iceberg. some more messages. when i was six i met a very famous singer, who started grooming me. and more importantly, my mother, from the minute we met.
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jokes about, when you are for dean, i will marry you. and i was 11, he sexually abused me. i screamed at my mother that i never wanted to see him again. i now have ptsd and i'm freaking out about how to keep my daughters safe. this is particularly graphic, so if you have children, you may not want them to listen to this. when i was 1a i went to see my favourite band with two school friends. the lead singer of the group would insist that i sit on his lap. his venus would press on me and he would beg me for oral six before we we re he would beg me for oral six before we were collected. i heard from other fans that he had six with other fans that he had six with other teenagers and had passed around sexually transmitted disease. i never performed a six act on him. he knew my age and he nicknamed me jailbait. see, one of the things thatis jailbait. see, one of the things that is important, since this whole
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me too campaign happened, i talked toa me too campaign happened, i talked to a lot of my male colleagues. i get reactions from some male colleagues who say, thank god these people are now getting their comeuppance. they say, i know there are people shaking in their boots at the moment. and good, because they should. but then i get other people, in particular some of the old school people, who say, you have to understand that there are young girls throwing themselves at you. what they need to understand what i think is so important to have a code of practice and to explain is the reason that we have the laws that we have about age of consent is that these young girls do not understand what they are, you know, that these men are thinking that, you know, she wants to have six with me. they say that they might kind of like being
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in the surroundings of somebody famous, or that the parameters are very different. it is the older person that should refrain. they shouldn't break the law. they shouldn't break the law. they shouldn't break the law. they shouldn't break the law. we all know stories about artists back when who had 14—year—olds. stories about artists back when who had 14-year-olds. you sort of thought those days had gone. absolutely. the other thing is that the music managers are the only people in the business who have a duty of care. we think the whole business should have a duty of care. we also think that our artist should be responsible towards their audience. when i have a young male band, and this doesn't relate exclusively to women, we have a diverse board and i have heard many stories, but i always educate my new
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artists in terms of how to behave with young fans. they have a responsibility. we invited uk music, which represents the industry, under the programme but they were not able to come. they say, uk music takes any allegations very seriously and will offer support to any complainant to guide them towards the help and advice they need. any form of abuse or harassment in the music industry should never be tolerated. the people who have got in touch with us today with their experiences, should they go to the police? i think in some cases they should, absolutely. i equally understand how somebody can feel they couldn't. obviously if we have a membercome to they couldn't. obviously if we have a member come to us with one of these issues, we would guide them to go to the police. lots of people do not feel they can. that is why we opened up aoun —— an anonymous way
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of signposting something that has happened to you. we have had people who do not want their stories shared but they have said if this particular person gets named in several e—mails, please come back to me and perhaps at that point they will feel... i can understand there is safety in numbers sometimes. i'm from sweden. and in sweden it was when the —— were the first me too list for the music industry started. one person is up on rape charges. these are the most grave cases. it is important that we address the whole kind of spectrum. i think one of the things that needs to be understood is that in general, for some men as well but more for young women in the industry, and i'm not talking just underage women, women in their205 or early talking just underage women, women in their 205 or early 305, we are in
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a business where you have meetings in unorthodox places. you meet people on tour. you might have a meeting in a hotel. you might have a meeting in a hotel. you might have a meeting over dinner. and in general, if you are a male in the industry, it doesn't even cross your mind that you need to be careful in that situation. but for women, this has brought —— this is brought to —— back to me. when i look back, i have just manoeuvred this my entire career. always when i am in a situation along with a male, you have to be careful. it's not right and we need to do something about it. thank you for coming in. thank you. still to come... facebook has admitted for the first time that social media can harm mental health — but are advising people to improve their low mood by posting more often.
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gwynne owen evans was one of the last two men hanged in britain. a habitual liar convicted of murdering a man who had been his friend, and perhaps his lover. but according to a leading criminal lawyer, who has viewed documents uncovered by the bbc, he was the victim of a miscarriage ofjustice. our reporter sanchia berg has been investigating and joins us now. phil us in on the case? good morning. this is the case of one of the last two men hanged in britain in 1964. this is not the case that has had the attention of derek bentley, for example. it is not very well—known. it was a pretty sordid murder in cumbria. a man was 53, who was a friend of gwynne owen evans,
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almost certainly his gay lover, he was murdered by evans and by peter allen. evans always said that he didn't actually hit his friend, that it was peter allen who did the hitting. but the two men were tried together. the jury found them both guilty. an appeal failed. together. the jury found them both guilty. an appealfailed. even though gwynne owen evans' mother wrote to the home secretary saying her son was mentally impaired and that he had them under a doctor since the age of eight, please spare him, the doctors did not find that his mental ability was substantially impaired. and that is why the home secretary, written in red ink on the file, he says the law must take its course. he couldn't find evidence for a reprieve. but actually, course. he couldn't find evidence fora reprieve. but actually, going through these medical reports, looking at the history as a whole, it's very striking that he really had a history of serious mental problems. this wasn't taken into account. thejury were account. the jury were not made aware of it.
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let's bring in john the jury were not made aware of it. let's bring injohn cooper qc. he has been looking through the files. what do you think? i have been interested in this case for a few years. santa brought to my attention a numberof years. santa brought to my attention a number of documents. i have no doubt a miscarriage ofjustice has occurred as far as this man is concerned. let me make it clear, nobody is saying he didn't deserve to be punished. he did. the issue is on the defence of diminished responsibility. it is a defence which existed then, in a different way. it exists now. it is essentially says, not murder, but because of your mental functioning, you have a lesser charge. a defence that existed them which is legal tea m that existed them which is legal team did not choose to use. that is the issue? row precisely. if they
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had used it, you wouldn't have been hanged. one of the reasons they didn't choose to use it, and it is an analysis many defence teams consider, is to have a defence of diminished responsibility you have to admit the defence. you have to see my did it but my mental functioning was impaired. i suppose the reasoning behind the defence not using it was because they didn't wa nt using it was because they didn't want to admit it. but in my opinion, having looked at the documentation, this man clearly was suffering from an abnormality of mind, which would have afforded a defence. looking at the papers and the report, very little effort was made, in my opinion, to analyse this. the reports are cursory and the examination is cursory. that is my concern. thank you. thank you both. lebanese police say a man has been arrested on suspicion of killing a woman who worked at the british embassy in beirut. rebecca dykes had been at a leaving party on friday night. her body was found beside a motorway on the outskirts of the city.
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she's believed to have been strangled. friends and colleagues have been paying tribute to her. the british ambassador to lebanon, hugo shorter tweeted that "the whole embassy is deeply shocked, saddened by this news". he said: "my thoughts are with becky's family, friends and colleagues for their tragic loss." well, josie ensor had been due to attend the leaving party on friday night. she told me that rebecca dykes left early because she was due to head home to britain for christmas. she was quite new in beirut, she joined the embassy a few months ago. my friends told me that she had just landed on herfeet in beirut and she was just starting to make friends and getting to know the city. so obviously, it is very tragic that it has happened soon after she has moved to the city. what do you... i gather you were invited to the party that she was at on friday. yeah, it was a mutual friend of ours who works for the british embassy here.
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it was her farewell party in a bar just down the road from me here. i had kind ofjust been leaving my house to go to the party when i got a call from work and turned around. but yeah, all my friends were there. they were chatting to her. she was looking forward to going home for christmas the next day to see her family, and that is why she left early that night. i mean, everybody else left quite late. but she left with a friend of mine just before midnight to try to get some sleep before herflight home for christmas on saturday. tell us about the reaction to what has happened. everyone is incredibly shocked. i mean, i know what beirut has historically been known for, for its brutal civil war and its connections to syria and israel but actually, beirut itself is a very safe city and i feel much safer here than i do walking on my own in london or new york or other big cities. it is a kind of village city. it is a very tight—knit community so when something happens to one person, it feels quite close, i think. so do you think people will still feel safe
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despite what has happened? yeah, i mean, i was talking to some female friends of mine who have lived all over the middle east and they have felt in danger quite a lot in cairo but they say beirut is something of an anomaly in the region. i don't think anyone is going to dramatically change how they feel about the city but i do think we might change the way we move around, think about our own personal safety. i mean, i was hearing that a taxi driver has been arrested this morning in connection with the murder so possibly now we might not take those kind of licensed local cabs that you kind of hail at the side of the road and perhaps take one by calling ahead or going with a friend. in the next few minutes, the new
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bishop of london, the right reverend sara mullaly, the most senior woman in the church, is due to give a press co nfe re nce in the church, is due to give a press conference about the fact she has a new role. we will hear from her in the next few minutes. we will dip into that news conference when it starts. still to come, we will speak to the 22—year—old student his rape trial collapsed after detectives failed to disclose vital evidence. liam allan tells us exclusively but he wants an apology from the police and the cps. that's in the next 15 minutes. and, we will look at what local councils can do to make recycling slightly less confusing. time for the latest news — here's annita. the bbc news headlines this morning... senior cabinet ministers are having formal discussions — for the first time — about the the uk's relationship with the eu after brexit. the pm will later tell mps the uk wants to sign trade deals during a transition period.
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eu leaders have agreed talks can move on, including to discuss a transition deal for a post—brexit period. labour has raised concerns that trade may not be discussed for months. police in beirut say they have arrested a suspect as part of the investigation into the murder of a british embassy worker whose body was found by the side of a motorway. rebecca dykes was working in the capital city of beirut for the department for international development. it's thought she had been abducted and strangled after leaving a party. the family of a taxi driver who was among six people killed in a road accident in birmingham yesterday, have described him as "happy" and "loving". imtiaz mohammed and his two passengers all died, alongside three men in another car. crash investigators are trying to piece together what caused the pile—up. a former nhs chief nurse has been named as the next bishop of london, the third most senior position in the third most senior position in the church of england. right reverend sara mullaly is currently a
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bishop in devon, she became a priest in 2006 and has spent more than 35 yea rs in 2006 and has spent more than 35 years in the nhs. she was made a dame in 2005 for services to nursing and will be the most senior woman in the church and will have a seat in the church and will have a seat in the house of lords. the four time olympic champion, sir mo farah, has won this year's bbc sports personality of the year. motorcyclist jonathan rea was second, and paralympic sprinter, jonnie peacock, was third. he was honoured at an evening in celebration in liverpool. dangerous cat ennis received a lifetime achievement award. here's some of the highlights from the evening... it is showtime... the famous trophy has come north from wimbledon and the biggest names are here to see who will be crowned the bbc sports personality of the year.” who will be crowned the bbc sports personality of the year. i was proud of him as a person and how he dealt
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with everything. and how he put others first before himself. i was so proud of my baby.” others first before himself. i was so proud of my baby. i am slightly overwhelmed but i am absolutely honoured to receive this on behalf of bradley. our 2017 lifetime achievement award winner, dame jessica ennis—hill. achievement award winner, dame jessica ennis-hill. i am honoured to stand here with these inspiring women, and in a room full of legends. it is unbelievable. you have left no stone unturned, and you can have no regrets with that career. laughter did you get any of that?” career. laughter did you get any of that? i didn't, sorry! daddy! you have been marvellous! in 2017, the bbc sports
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personality of the year is... mo farah. please don't tell me... he's gone to bed! no! fall of the youngsters and people out there. you can work hard. you can achieve your dreams. anything is possible in life. congratulations to him. here's some sport now with holly hamilton. coming up in sport — australia crush england in the third test at the waca to wrap up the ashes series 3—0. england needed to bat throughout the final day of the third test in perth to force a draw — and keep the series alive. but they lost the game by an innings and 41 runs. celtic manager brendan rodgers says their 69—game unbeaten domestic run may never be surpassed by another team after his side were thrashed 4—0 at hearts. manchester united manager jose mourinho says his side
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will "fight until the last match" after they moved back to within 11 points of premier league leaders manchester city by beating west brom 2-1. and european champions saracens look like they'll now need to try to reach the quarterfinals as one of three best pool runners—up after losing 24—21 to group leaders clemont auvergne in france. those are you headlines — i'll have more reaction to that ashes result coming up at 11 o'clock. thank you. facebook has acknowledged for the first time that social media can harm mental health — but says users can improve their low mood by posting more often. we can talk now to tom burridge, who's been looking into this story. what have they said? it is interesting, it's the first time that facebook had said that excessive use of social media can lead to a lot of problems, that has been detailed by academics, like
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anxiety, depression, body image issues, sleep issues, you can also get fomo, a fear of missing out. you see what a great time people say they are having. and you think, maybe my life isn't so great? facebook say that the solution isn't that we should use facebook less but what we should do is more quality time on facebook. what they say is, what you need to do is unique to socially interact. it is more messages, send direct messages to your real friends and your colleagues. more posts, one—on—one, between people. the jargon they use is "meaningful social interactions". do more of that. as opposed to passively consuming what everyone else is doing? browsing along, low—level content, and perhaps the odd "like" idly about something but not social engagement with people that you are friends with on
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facebook. so they are definitely not saying spend less time on facebook? they are coming up with some concrete steps they are taking. to their credit they are saying that they would change the platform itself in a few ways. they will get rid of what they call "click bait headlines". those are the links which pop up on certain websites that you see, they are often salacious or almost ridiculous, often salacious or almost ridiculous, ofte n fa ke salacious or almost ridiculous, often fake news and they are designed to be irresistible so that you click on them and go to a company's you click on them and go to a compa ny‘s website. optimise you click on them and go to a company's website. optimise your feed so that in theory, your best friends will pop up more. they will bring ina friends will pop up more. they will bring in a new snooze option, rather than de—friend someone, you cannot be friends with someone for a period of time, and they say that taking measures to prevent suicide, what they are doing is working with companies and organisations around the world to identify people
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explicitly talking about the idea of taking one's own life, they are using artificial intelligence, they say, jargon for computer algorithms, to look at less explicit references by people about the idea of committing suicide. there is also theissue committing suicide. there is also the issue of children. every parent grapples with excessive social media use with their children. all of the issues that can bring up about forging relationships and concentration. in that sense, facebook is saying that they will invest money and do more research, $1 million, but they are not coming up $1 million, but they are not coming up with concrete steps in that yet. they say they do not have the a nswe rs they say they do not have the answers about that yet. they cannot really say they should use social media less, because they are a company, it would be a technical turkey voting for christmas. thank
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you. a 22—year—old student whose rape trial collapsed after detectives failed to disclose vital evidence to the defence has told this programme he wants an apology from police and the cps. liam allan was charged with 12 counts of rape and sexual assault, but his trial collapsed after police were ordered to hand over phone records. in an interview alongside his mum, lorraine, he tells us his life has "ripped apart" by what had happened to him. it emerged last week that the case against mr allan was dropped, when evidence on a computer disk containing 40,000 text and whatsapp messages revealed the alleged victim pestered him for "casual sex". the met police say it is "urgently reviewing' the way the investigation was handled. i've been speaking to liam allan and his mum, and asked him if the police had been in touch with him since his case collapsed. there's been no direct contact. nothing? no. what do you think of that? it's disappointing, naturally. obviously, it does not take too long to send an apology or anything like that orjust get in contact and let me know what is going on. but i understand, you know,
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that they might not want to speak to me right now, given that they don't really know what has gone wrong in terms of completely, it was the whole system. i do understand that they are reviewing things so i am trying to be understanding in that respect. but that is what you would like, an apology? realistically... yeah, an apology would be nice. why is that important to you? just, i don't know. it sort of accepts responsibility, i suppose, and it does show remorse. i've seen a lot of people's comments on articles saying there is no remorse from the police or the cps. i know there is but obviously, i can't prove it if i haven't had anything myself. you have had the weekend now to absorb what has happened to you. you could have potentially been found guilty of six rapes you could have been sent to jail for over a decade and you could have been on the sex offenders register for life. how are you feeling about it now? there's relief on one side in terms of the case is over. as in, i'm not, you know, the suspect or i'm not standing trial any more
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so there is relief, there. with the publicity, i mean, it has been huge, and a different kind of stress in terms of that now. and there is still another bout to go through in terms of compensation and suing, going from there, really. it is not over completely. just i am not the one standing trial any more. what do you think would be adequate compensation for what you have endured? i don't know. i have said this so many times that university is supposed to be the best years of your life, and the last two years have just been spent worrying and not really concentrating on anything. it has completely ripped apart my normal personal life and now it has come to light, it is still going on and obviously, the longer we have to wait in terms of going for compensation and things like that, you know, the more stress it still is because i'm still away from uni and still away from my normal life. everything is still upside down. but as i said, i'm not standing trial any more but there is still emotional stress there. lorraine, how has it been for you as liam's mum, the last couple of years while he has been on bail? difficult.
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i suppose that is a bit of an understatement. you never want to see your child goes through it. it is not something you could prevent. you know, you can educate your daughters of the dangers of putting yourself in difficult positions, things to watch out for. you can educate your sons, as i feel i have, on respect and how to look after people, not harming people. you can't protect yourself against something like this. i think this is part of why it is felt by a lot of people, you know, and you see a lot of people saying it can happen to anyone. there seems to be... there's a lot more than just text messages and things that were factors to the case. you know, the amount of support that i found very overwhelming during the time and even now, the support we have had, there's no way we could have got
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through it without that. as a woman, you do, when someone comes, does this type of thing, your instinct is to want to believe because i think that is where i have spent a lot of my time, trying to get my head around why someone would lie about this. it just didn't make any sense at all. obviously, they have their own reasons. but that was a real struggle. there were people that i knew that knew liam, who would automatically, you know, know and realise this does not seem possible. there were other people that don't know my son, that have only had my word, that if i wanted to say or talk about anything we were going through, i would struggle a little bit because i would feel i would be putting them in an awkward position, to make a judgment without any sort of basis to it. without any context?
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as a mother, you are going to protect your child, that is how everyone sees it. in some ways i felt that even though i'm sitting there, saying, "i know it is not possible, this is not my son", everyone is going to look at me and say, "well, you are a mother". should liam, you must have thought often about why this woman made up these allegations about you. why do you think? from what i can gather, part of it is spite. but obviously, anything that i say is speculating, really. for me, i can't really comprehend why you would want to do that to somebody in the first place anyway. it seems itjust started off as a little white lie and then as soon as that starts, where it is so serious, it is not something you can go back on. you know, we all tell little white lies but not on that scale, not on such a series topic. do you think she should be prosecuted for that? i'm going to leave that decision to somebody else, if i'm honest. you know, i think i am biased in terms of the emotional side of it
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and so it is not my decision to make from here. that is somebody else's decision to make. do you, lorraine? i think honestly, i think she may need help. with all the things that we have seen, the support has been really positive for us. i am so grateful for that. seeing some of the comments that are so negative, i am fearful for her. you have sympathy for her? there is sympathy there. i know that sounds really strange. ithink, no, probably, not through the case or the trial, no. with the media attention, it has changed it a little bit. you know, i am trying to picture what, as a parent, either side of the fence, there is pain, frustration. she has a family. i don't think anyone, for all of the comments they make and judgments they make around these kind of cases, actually take
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into account the impact it has on everybody else around them. why do you think the police and cps did not disclose any of those 40,000 messages which in the end proved your innocence? i wouldn't know why. i mean, it could be a mistake. it could havejust been, you know, "i don't have enough time to read 47,000 messages", which, you know, for me, something this serious, obviously, other people have gone through the same sort of thing, your life is on hold so there isn't... you know, i would quite happily have waited an extra month and gone for an extra month if it meant they would have read them properly. this could all have been avoided. there would have been an extra month to save another eight or nine months waiting for a trial. i think they are under a lot of pressure, especially given how much media attention there is around the topic. but you don't think it was malicious? it's... i find it hard to believe it was malicious. but thank goodness for
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the prosecuting barrister who was insistent that they should be disclosed in the end because he had been fobbed off once, told that they were not relevant, or they could not be disclosed because they contained "very personal material". and they were not relevant, there was nothing capable of undermining the prosecution case or assisting the defence. i mean, i think there's a lot of credit, in terms of... this is why i consider myself lucky. the judge handled it so well in terms of from a neutral point of view and that was really nice to sort of see, you know, you don't feel quite so alone in that respect. obviously, the prosecutor we got, he was extremely understanding that we should have that information but i have got to give full credit to my barrister, julius marr, and simone from the law firm, for their persistence, genuinely, their attitude has been absolutely amazing. there is nobody else like them, for me and i owe my life to them, to them all, equally, to be fair. i'm going to read a couple
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of the messages out so the audience can see how vital they were showing that you were completely innocent. september 2015, your accuser sent a message to a friend discussing her sex life with you. "it wasn't against my will or anything". and another which was relevant, it has been reported because she has claimed to the police that she did not like being intimate with men, "people need three things in life, food, water and sex". and another, "sometimes, sex is the number—one priority. i'm really notjoking, to be honest". according to your solicitor, there could be other cases, other miscarriages ofjustice, people in jail now where evidence that would have proved their innocence has not been disclosed. i think, yeah, i think that is what i have said, you can't really stop false accusations and people do have a spiteful side and when people are hurt, they react in a way you would not really expect. we rely on the procedure to find the right sort of things. as far as i'm aware, if i've been through it,
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then i'm not the only one, just because i am the one in the media right now, it definitely does not mean i'm the only one that has been through it so i think there are people going through it now. you know, that is the aim now, the procedure may need to change in order to make sure that this does not happen again but for the people that are going through it now, you know, can that change? reviews of other cases might happen. yeah. but the third step is making sure that the procedure changes in the right direction so you know what you're looking for. and notjust in sexual offences cases, but in all cases. yeah. just to say, there's a tiny percentage of false allegations when it comes to crimes of a sexual offences nature. i want to read you a statement from the cps, who said, "we will now be conducting a management review, together with the metropolitan police, to examine the way in which the case was handled". what is your view of that? to be fair, i have been quite clear in this respect. i completely understand they have to do their internal investigation.
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i mean, some people that will have known about the case need to learn a lot about what went wrong, where they went wrong. there's gaps everywhere. it isn't necessarily just disclosure. the evidence was there through the whole process. but do you trust the cps and the police doing their own review into what went wrong at the cps and the police? initially, yeah, but i mean, i've said it before, i would love to sit down with them, you know, and maybe there's a few other people like me that would love to sit down with them and say, "you give us your step—by—step procedure and we will compare it with what we went through and we can tell you exactly where the holes are, from our personal experience". you know, there are going to be holes in other people's experiences that i would not have experienced so there are other people out there. at the moment, the spotlight is on my case but there are other voices out there. i mean, i've heard loads of other people's stories. you know, it is possible to sit us all down in the same room with the same sort of people and get the personal side of it as well as the professional side. that was liam allan and his mother speaking to us this morning. mark says, i have also been the
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victim of false rape allegations. as an adult with young children at the time, iwas an adult with young children at the time, i was thrown out of my family home for the duration of the investigation, eight months. i can only see my children for one hour a week ina only see my children for one hour a week in a dirty contact centre. it was plastered all over the local paper. it caused absolute panic among all farm —— families who knew me. during my three day trial i was again plastered all over the papers asa again plastered all over the papers as a rapist and the story was repeated every hour on local radio. the fallout from me has been the loss of my family, marriage, business, friends and my children, who will have nothing to do with me at all. a plan for reducing plastic waste is to be announced by the government in the new year. earlier this month we highlighted how much of a problem plastics can be in our oceans: by 2050, there will be more plastic than fish in the sea,
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according to the world economic forum. 80% of all the litter in the ocean is plastic. last year, more than 7 billion people worldwide produced over 300 million tonnes of plastic. ships are banned from dumping plastic overboard but there is no international law against plastics flooding into the sea from the land. china, thailand, indonesia and the philippines are responsible for much of the world's ocean plastic pollution. as well as bottles, drinking straws, micro beads and polystyrene boxes, it is estimated there are 640,000 tonnes of abandoned fishing nets on the ocean floor. there are severe consequences for marine animals who choke on the plastic and have their habitats destroyed. sunlight breaks the plastic into small pieces which fish and sea birds mistake for food and ingest and that threatens the food supply for humans as well. campaigners want a paris climate style deal with countries agreeing long—term goals and zero tolerance.
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we can speak now to professor of marine biology, richard thompson, and claire wallerstein who heads up a beach cleaning group in cornwall how bad is it and what do you think of this 4—point plan? how bad is it and what do you think of this 4-point plan? i think it is a good plan in essence. the devil will be in the detail. it is essential to think about reducing particularly the amount of single use plastic. 40% of all the plastic items we produce our single use items. we find a lot on our shorelines. it is important. the solutions are already highridge and in the recommendations to nothing —— to increase emotive recycling. that is positive. also, it will make
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things less consuming —— confusing for the consumer. it is important we start in the uk. yes, there are our problems in the far east with developing nations. but we have problems in the uk and europe. claire, what is it like on the beaches of cornwall where you work? i would agree with what richard said. it is notjust a problem on the other side of the world. you get them on the beaches in cornwall and you can see the evidence for yourself. we cover just you can see the evidence for yourself. we coverjust a couple of miles of cornish coastline and we re move miles of cornish coastline and we remove hundreds of sacks of plastic from those beaches every year. the marine wildlife is suffering from some early problems from climate change, overfishing. when you find animals that have died needlessly because of our throwaway consumer plastic, that is absolutely heartbreaking. we do see that. we find birds with their legs tangled together. a huge number of cornish seals have got plastic and tangled
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around their necks. over a third of the fish have got plastic in their guts. it is happening here. the kind of things you find on the beach includes what? predominantly we get a lot of fishing gear. but really the major thing is the throwaway consumer stuff that richard was talking about. plastic is an amazing material. it has revolutionised our lives. it is designed to last forever. we are using almost half of it for items that will be used for a few minutes and thrown away. it's crazy. we focus on plastic and bottle tops. we collected 65,003 months. we strung them together into a chain that stretched over one kilometre long. that shows you the impact of the throwaway consumer stuff, which is what we need to tackle. richard, can we work with plastic in other ways to help fix the environmental problems?”
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believe this is a problem we can fix. if you think about the many benefits of plastic, and that includes packaging, it is not coupled to this emission to the environment. it is different to many of the other challenges. it is about using plastics differently and more smartly. by doing so i believe we can solve the problem. how do we do that? we need to do some of the things outlined in the proposal. recycle more, make it much simpler to recycle. one of the recommendations is to cut the number of plastics. what is being suggested is that we reduce the diversity, to increase the potential for recycling. i was at a recycling plant recently. some of our most recycla ble plant recently. some of our most recyclable poly— ma was undetectable because of the complete lack of thought in the design studies that sliced high—value plastic. it is about taking a back to the drawing board, to think about this much more clearly at the design stage, to
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minimise the use of plastics, particularly in single use applications. designer for a replay —— to be you both. thank you for your time. on the programme tomorrow — we look at how sex education guidelines will be updated to deal with online pornography and sexting. thank you very much for your company. back tomorrow at nine. have a lovely day. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11. a review of building regulations following the grenfell fire says safety should be prioritised over cost. what that report says is that the current system and that there is a need for a major overhaul of the system. lebanese police say a man — believed to be a taxi—driver — has been arrested on suspicion of killing a british embassy worker rebecca dykes. theresa may's senior cabinet ministers meet to discuss what the uk's relationship with the eu should look
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