back south in scotland. is pushing back south in scotland. another mild one, temperatures between ten and 12 degrees. christmas eve, stronger winds for many parts of the uk, feeding in a lot of cloud, rain for scotland and northern ireland. most of england and wales will be dry, either ten or 11 celsius. hello, this is bbc news with reeta chakrabarti. the headlines at 7.30pm. the first visit by a british foreign secretary to russia in five years finished with accusations of lying. there were hopes a meeting between boris johnson and the russian foreign minister would repair relations but they ended up in public disagreement. you should recognise that russian attempts to interfere in our elections and our referendums — whatever they may have been — have not been successful. i think you've made all this up in your western community and you're hostage to this subject. it's very difficult for you to climb down from the fence now. the united nations security council has unanimously agreed

on imposing tough new sanctions against north korea, in response to its recent ballistic missile tests. a 44—year—old man has been charged with murder after supermarket worker jodie willsher was stabbed to death in an aldi store in skipton, north yorkshire. after catalan separatist parties win a majority in the snap elections — spain's prime minister says he will talk to whoever takes over the the regional government. now on bbc news, it's time for brexitcast. we're doing a special — this is a twist on the usual podcast, normally into your ears only and instead, welcome and thanks for watching on the bbc news channel and bbc world news toa news to a special brexitcast with an invited audience. brexitcast from bbc 5 live and bbc news. brexit means brexit.

breaking up is hard. the people voted and they have to get on with it. i think brexit is going to be a wonderful thing. i have to say this is a tough negotiating process which i can only describe as dog's brexit. brexit means brexit, but what does brexit mean? it's one question whether hand brexit means brexit, but what does brexit mean? oh, what did you think of the jingle? it is magnificent, darling. lets focus on the big picture, where are we on the seemingly never—ending brexit process? big picture — it is chrismas party season at downing street and as we're recoding it is the christmas party at downing street, and forjournalists and officials this evening, and their christmas party because, after all the angst of the last few months, after the frustrations, their difficulties, all of the wrangles at a cost for theresa may, last week at the end of the week

she got her piece of paper, she was able to come home and say yes, phase one is over. now, does that solve the contradictions we have discussed on the programme? does it mean the problems have gone away? does it mean anything other than for number ten thank goodness they got to this stage? not really. but that in and of itself given the divisions in the tory party, the divisions in the types of approach between the uk and eu that is an achievement for a prime minister who lost her majority down the back of a sofa not long ago. and she has been applauded. yeah. and i have to say that in the eu there is a real sight of relief, actually, and it is not that it is one of those occasions where it is an eu summit where she walks out the door and they all say did you see what... did you see what she did...

i will do that many times over the next few months. they didn't do it this time. they were like, oh my god, you know, they took about someone who has a couple of cojones and they think she has found a way out of a tough situation. they were so taken aback by the dup phone call she received while in brussels just a few days before and the people in the room describe it in such awestruck tones, like "we saw her as if her government was going to crumble around her" you know, they were so taken by that. the she could turn that around by, let's face it, we will hear about ireland later, kicking that famous can down the road, but the fact we have a real sight of relief, you know, i was still calling people yesterday on a sunday

asking for the dirt, and i am amazed they take my calls on sunday. i was marching in the countryside on the phone talking about, i was saying "attitude towards the uk, negative?" no, they are sort of feeling buoyed by what happened. interesting in the press conference last week on friday when jean—claude juncker came out with tusk to deliver the news to say sufficient progress has been made and he was falling over himself to be nice. yeah. she was tough, smart, polite negotiator, you know. it is awful, isn't it? who in the audience has got a juncker impression for later? dangerous territory. la st last week there was the monday to friday. someone might come up to kiss

you because that would be a good politically for her, i think, last week the monday to friday to monday to friday made me think that actually this process is just going to be like this and it is something ministers have been saying for ages, it isjust going to be like this, it will be really hard and we are going to go from the top of the himalayas down to 20,000 leagues under the sea and then i think for that process, it is going to be like that. also, in this feeling that we are progressing, definitely you feel. we are going back to the same rhetoric from right at the beginning which is brussels saying we need to hear from the uk what they want, which is what we heard at the beginning of phase one. we are back again there now. the mood music is different, positive, can—do and yet they are saying we want a deal with you guys but you have to come back to us with a clear idea of what you want. they are focused on today and tomorrow without believing they are going to get the answer. and you know how i celebrate? sufficient bogus four—day two?

it doesn't involve the pub. i got stuck in a lift with 18 otherjournalists. only for a couple of minutes but it felt like a couple of hours. is that fake news? no, it is real. what was the conversation? it was, how long are we going to be in here? were you waiting for key moments or was it afterwards? it was after everything happened. what happens is that there are bits of the building that was on lockdown, we went to the ground floor which was locked down. i tried to lighten the mood by asking everyone what donald tusk‘s favourite christmas movie was. to lighten the tension. it didn't really work. remind me not to invite you to play in new year's eve party. we have our first special brexitcast christmas treat for you all. as you know i have a deep and special relationship with michel barnier, the eu's chief negotiator.

do you have it with him or at him? he probably avoids all corridors. no, as you will see my colleagues have made a special barnier bantz video. a bit very good. by the time we get to march 2019 he is going to be running away from you. the other day when we arrived, i was the first person and he shook my hand because i think he was relieved... that it was you? no, that the whole historical process was reaching a milestone. now, shall we get into our questions from the floor from our fantastic assembly of brexitcasters who have come along. thank you for doing that. let's see if we can get the microphone to sally. fire away. thanks having us. deliver your worst.

on thursday's question time professor robert winston said there was a minor chance brexit wouldn't happen. without considering the likelihood of it, how would or could this practically happen? or not happen? that sounds like a question for an editor. as he said, i think it is very unlikely, don't forget both of the parties voted for article 50 and the process to make it happen. the process to start the clock ticking. i suppose you can see a situation, if there was a sudden and very clear reversal of public opinion, which might be the type of thing which would come about is something serious happened to the economy or some huge bust up in the talks or all kind of things that we cannot imagine right now, but you would see some scenario that would really have to change public opinion and only in that case would you see any other politicians in either the labour party or the tory party feel that it was the thing

to say hold on, let's have another think about this. from the uk perspective, the eu referendum was not legally binding. it happened and it has come political reality but it is not legally binding. article 50 is legally binding, we have started the formal process and after two years, unless there is a unanimous vote, it would be uk plus the 27 member states and the european parliament could vote to extend the negotiating period but otherwise in march 2019 the uk leaves. up until that point, the uk can change its mind. after that point, when there is talk about you can vote in the 2020 election on the brexit deal, we are out. britain can vote and decide what it likes but actually we have left the european union at that stage and we would have to apply to come back in. if we are talking in theory rather than practice or likelihood,

were there to be this huge event that everybody, including the eu, there is a feeling that in the uk there is a conspiracy to keep the uk in, whoever you talk to on the european political field would love the uk to stay. believes the uk is leaving. say there was this amazing reversal, under what circumstances would we come back? because actually, again when you talk to the commission they say we can change our mind while in the article 50 process but by launching it we have lost everything that we have gained, if you like. that means the rebate, not signing up to the euro and all of that. that would be really intriguing from an academic point of view. where does brexit sit on the conversations in the european union when there are so much else that they need to talk about? we care about brexit and talk about it all the time,

how much is brexit the dominating conversation in brussels? this will make us feel bad. i think it dominates more time than they would like to admit. jean—claude juncker a few months ago said... no i won't do my imitation. he said from now on we will dedicate 50 minutes per day to brexit and no more. this is not the case. it is just not the case. the uk is a very big member state and we are leaving and that has implications for the whole of the rest of the eu. early in 2017 there was this feeling of, this is awful, we are going to dust ourselves down and be stronger forward. we are going to be more unified than ever, we are not. those cracks will show in phase two because they are not unified

about the kind of deal that they want to have or prepared to have with the united kingdom. in all of this, saying that brexit is a big deal they have other big issues, the future of the european union and what will happen to angela merkel because germany is so key. i think these are really, sort of, big issues for them and plus what is really interesting to me as a europhile is that all the new alliances that are forming inside the eu. we have gone, who are our traditional allies? ireland, denmark, sweden, the baltic states, who are they now making friends with? the assumption that is that we go and germany and become stronger and i think a lot of these eurosceptic countries are banding together. you mention germany, where is nina? obviously you are an expert in german.

by being german! i hink that the public is not actually that interested in it. they thought it was a disastrous thing, but for those who are interested, the german interpretation of the eu is, here are the laws, you tell us which ones you want and then we will decide what model you get. the entire process of anything getting here to face on being completed from the german perspective, they were bemused by it. it is like, why isn't theresa may honest with her public? these are the liabilities she has to pgy- this is what the uk signed up to. i think they were slightly bemused about it, but where it is quite feisty is in some of the comment pieces. i think there was one recently where a very famous german comment author wrote that this is the stupidest political decision since the nero made his voice. in the bild newspaper, the most widely read newspaper

it said by by blighty. i think the germans are rather bemused. they find it quite cute, the royal family and so on. but they think they have this weird culture of exceptionalism which on one hand they like the brits but on the other hand, they don't quite get them. where is madeleine? what's the situation with you? my husband is irish. we have two kids, seven and two, and we always thought we would get them irish passports. we are now seriously considering putting in the application. we haven't quite bought a house in dublin. we are getting there. why are you thinking of doing that? we see ourselves as european and them as european and the idea of leaving the eu and feeling out of europe is incomprehensible and we don't want to live in a little england, we want to live in the eu. you are sitting next to someone who might be

bristling, darren grimes. bristling, darren grimes from brexit central. i see myself as european. what i don't see myself as being part of this european superstate. the united kingdom, global britain, boris johnson's treaters in the telegraph is the sort of vision i think the uk should be going for. it is hard not to stress how important the brexit war cabinet this meeting was and it will change for generations the history, the track of this country and what it goes down and i think i should be a path in which we have an independent trade policy and get out into the world because that is where the growth is. madeleine is not bristling. lam bristling inside. my husband told me not to be too vocal. oh, come on! it is tony connelly from rte, come on up. looks like a chat show now. tony, you are the europe editorfor rte, the irish

public broadcaster, and you were quite a necessary part of the process a couple of weeks ago. remind us what happened? unless you don't want to talk about it. yes, i am happy to talk about it. the day that theresa may came to brussels for lunch withjean—claude juncker it had been around four days of fraught negotiations between the british, irish and eu officials about the deal on the irish border. the irish government was quite downbeat on monday morning. but nobody knew about the deal. mid—morning i was able to get sight of part of the deal, part of the text on ireland, and i got a second source to confirm the text. i put out two tweets, rte ran the story, the first tweet said there would be no regulatory divergences according to a draft seen by rte news, followed up four minutes later saying no regulatory divergences be changed to continued regulatory alignment.

these are quite wonky phrase for people i understand but they're important to the irish process. my understanding is the dup saw that story coming from me, assumed i had been briefed by the irish government, that the irish government was somehow claiming victory in the process, and i think at that point a certain discontent in the dup had built up and exploded. and that seems to have brought the whole text crashing down. at that moment, to put it politely, all heck broke loose. and then meps came on the record saying the same thing. they said on tape the uk government has conceded. and a nerdy question in your direction, tony, how freaked out is ireland by brexit and the potential ramifications for ireland if it doesn't turn out as dublin might want? and is it all solved? no. freaked out, yeah, on a scale of freaked outness, we are out the top, it is the good friday

agreement, the peace process, the hugely integrated economy between ireland and the uk, vast volumes of agri—food, a hard brexit will hurt ireland badly. it will also affect the border, which is now back in irish politics, which is a real tragedy, because it was gone from irish politics for 20 years since the good friday agreement, so it is a huge worry. matt is in the audience. now, matt, you work in number ten, you are from northern ireland, and you were on with brexitcast a couple of weeks ago talking about this, so have the government been surprised, were they too late, or was it always a problem that was bubbling away in the basement and they thought they could come to it later on? it is true to say before the referendum in 2016 and then for the first six to ten months

post— referendum period the irish issues, the entire ireland, as tony talked about, northern ireland specifically and the issues affecting the whole ireland, they were not front and centre of the debate, and the downing street agenda is often driven by what is at the top of the news agenda. it wasn't that people did not take it seriously. but the irish government made a decision, as tony knows, to drive it front to the news agenda to get people's attention. and it got people's attention. and we picked up talking to members of the irish government, but also some elements, people who come to visit from northern ireland, the feeling that downing street didn't understand, they felt this is notjust an economic issue, but also political and very much a social issue. the fact that talk of the border disappeared and now it is back front and centre. and real concern about that and real worry that it wasn't being taken on board. and i think the rest of the eu was tempted, even though they said from the beginning this has to be one of the main divorce issues,

it was always around, i think they were willing to let it slide a little bit into phase two to as the uk government wanted. but the irish government made sure that didn't happen. this will stay now, right until the end. i know ireland doesn't like it said that it has veto, but it does have a veto. it is an implied veto. if it is good enough for dublin, it is good enough for the rest of the eu. will donnelly, what's your question? will britain get brexit in anything other than name? we have davisproof and brexino, the people who are dubbed brexinos by tory colleagues, those who have been complaining and amending and trying to change the legislation, that's what the cabinet is trying to figure out today and tomorrow, so at the moment we don't know. one member of cabinet said

to me ten days ago, well, we may end up like norway, paying a lot of money to pretend we are not in the eu. or it may well be that the brexiteer side of the argument wins the debate and of course it does notjust depend on them but it also depends what the eu is ready to give way or compromise on in the negotiations. the eu did komru miah is a bit. —— compromise a bit. do you think we will get it in anything but named? i think we will leave but will go from the position to half in 2/2 hour. what does that mean few? thumbs up or thumbs down? disgraceful. because we voted to leave the eu and become an independent self—governing nation and i think that we are seeing is the great brexit betrayal is happening before our very eyes. where is anne f, she has a very good question. i work in financial services and you have seen global alignment, as well as within europe.

from a business perspective, the idea that you will suddenly run off and do something completely different, nobody is that interested from the business perspective anyway because they put the current processes in place. but secondly i think there is a degree of realism that if we want to trade in the future we are going to have to continue to work in a similar system. it then becomes a question of, where do you have your say? the eu is a very powerful standard setter around the world. good job we've got several more years to discuss this. what was your question? it's much more important. has romance blossomed in the discussion room when the leaders pull an all—nighter and you're sat round bored? i have never been in a less... well i have been in less romantic places. where? that's another brexitcast. iwould imagine, it ranks it up there. it is a massive open plan, neon lit room full of great looking

neon lit room full of grey looking journalists who get more greyer as the summit progresses and by the time you get to that 2am german press briefing i think any little bit that might have existed... i was in the lift for two hours. adam was in the lift for two hours. the other thing is that when i first went to summit, it used to be and it is now not the case, thank goodness, it was the case that booze was free during summits, which when i first went i thought was absolutely quite mind blowing. they ruled that out a while ago. any hope that there might have been that it could have been oiled along by the free belgian beer... bring in the booze trolley! in the last minute or so, 2018 in a minute. what happens next? legal version of the phase one

agreement talks about transition, the uk wants to get it done by march but we don't know if that will happen. the big thing, heads of terms, the main thrust of the agreement should be done in the autumn, but blimey, is quite a timetable. and across the channel? that's the process. if they are not doing the same thing then that is a big problem. january is seen as a rest month to gather thoughts. at the end ofjanuary michel barnier will get his remit to discuss transition and we start talking about future relationship. important to know that we are not getting in 2018 is a trade deal. impossible under eu regulations. as much progress will be made as possible but nothing signed on a future trade deal. thank you all. thanks to all of our brexitcasters who came here and thank you for watching on the news channel. channel and bbc world news.

have a good christmas. brexitcast from the bbc. good evening. a lucky few saw some sunshine but on the hole in the run—up to the big day for the next few days, they'll be mild, cloudy and breezy. winds picking up and also some rain arriving across northern parts of the uk. the rain comes on the weather front, yet to really put into scotland and northern ireland, high pressure still in charge at the moment, if you are feeling the breeze in the atlantic, drawing in some cloud. low cloud as well: misty and murky doing this hills in the west, some drizzle on western scotland with wind picking up overnight across north uk. that is not falling much at all, a mild might want mild might once again. it starts grey, misty and murky over the hills but we may see some sunshine arriving, and especially across northern uk with strong winds breaking up the cloud ahead of the rain pushing down from the north.

south, the winds are right, hit and miss as to whether you get the sunshine or not. right through the midlands, north east england but that these hills in the west it will be rather grey and murky. but a mild day months again. then we get some rain in the day in northern ireland, east scotland see some sunshine but north and west areas bolton west through the afternoon. that rain moves its way southward. it reads northumbria and and then pushes north, into scotland. this is christmas eve morning where temperatures will be 9—10d with some blustery winds and a lot of cloud. again, not much sunshine for christmas eve itself, we have some rain coming back southwards again across scotland into northern ireland, heavier rain over the hills of western scotland, most of a modern wales dry, misty and drizzly over some of those western hills, another mild and cloudy day. on

christmas day itself, we are more likely to get rain across scotland, northern ireland and some heavier rain moving over the irish sea later on. then some strong winds for england and wales drawing in this mild cloudy air. things turn cooler in this scotland and northern ireland with a threat of snow, perhaps over the scottish mountains as we had to boxing day, most places dry while we're in between where weather systems. things will be interchangeable. this is bbc news. i'm reeta chakrabarti. the headlines at 8pm. the first visit by a british foreign minister to moscow for five years ends in public disagreement — as russia accuses the uk of fabricating allegations of election tampering. you should recognise that russian attempts to interfere in our elections and our referendums — whatever they may have been — have not been successful. translation: i think you've made all this up in your western community and you're hostage to this subject.

it's very difficult for you to climb down from the fence now. after catalan separatist parties win a majority in snap elections — spain's prime minister says he will talk to whoever takes over the regional government. a man is charged with murder after 30—year—old supermarket worker jodie willsher is stabbed to death at work in skipton, north yorkshire. and in the next hour.