a re are you talking to? theyjust who are you talking to? theyjust have no respect, no respect for the teacher, no respect at all. what do voters tell you about their real concerns where they know it will never be traced back to them? and... # put on your... is two years since david bowie died, steven smith spoke with his personal photographer who went on tour with him in the 1980s. i could do a book of david laughing. you mean shots of him? yes, he laughed a lot, because he didn't have to play the thin white duke, so he was allowed to live on stage. but he was allowed to live on stage. but he laughed all the time offstage as well, it is what he really wanted to spend his time doing, having fun. good evening. environmentalism has all the hallmarks of a left—wing cause, the enlightened vanguard, the fight against big corporations, the

endless virtue signalling, the youthful warrior, which makes it a ha rd youthful warrior, which makes it a hard one for conservatives to a spouse. those on the right will tell you it is about calm things, conservation, safeguarding resources , conservation, safeguarding resources, equilibria —— espouse. the battle to convince voters that conservatives are the natural champions of green issues will be an uphill one. that starts tomorrow when the government releases a 25 year plan on the environment including to eliminate all avoidable plastic waste by 2022 when the prime minister would be, excuse the details on the 86 years old. anything radical? we find out tomorrow. will it stated chance of making anyone think it is a subject close to the tory heart? we will debate it with stanleyjohnson whose latest encounter with all things green was in the australian jungle and he has written extensively on the environment, and caroline lucas, britain's own green mp. first, nick watt.

ugly. watt. ugly, terrifying, and with heartrending results, our oceans are being menaced by the modern disposable consumer age. plastic, now, every year, we dump around 8 million tons of it into the sea. the blight of plastic waste will be condemned tomorrow by theresa may as one of the great environmental scourges of our time. an of the voice of middle england and environmental activists has helped to inspire the central element of the government's 25 year plan for the government's 25 year plan for the environment. no doubt with an eye on winning over younger voters, theresa may will pledge to eliminate all avoidable plastic waste by 2042. she will urge supermarkets to introduce a plastic free aisles with loose food on display. extend the 5p

charge for plastic carry bags in england to all retailers. increase funding for plastics innovation to improve recycling. and use uk aid to help developing nations tackle pollution and reduce plastic waste. the management of land will also be addressed in the speech as theresa may highlights the creation of a new forest in the north of england. the prime minister will also talk about how people can be better connected with the environment. imm the chilterns, the rolling hills on the outskirts of london, which lie at the heart of the government's dilemma on protecting the environment while promoting economic growth. behind me is the prime minister's official country residence which she uses for walks in this area. over there and over that hill is the planned hs2 high—speed rail link to the north of england, which is being fiercely

resisted by residents here who say that it threatens this area of outstanding natural beauty. the tension between the economy and environment was put to the prime minister in the commons today by at chilterns mp. it is an issue felt keenly by this local farmer who also complains about mixed messages down the decades from whitehall.m complains about mixed messages down the decades from whitehall. it is definitely a dilemma and it has been a dilemma going on like that for generations. i could point you in, back to the 60s when it was government policy to pull out hedges and ever since the late 70s it has been government policy to plant hedges. it was never the farmers' idea to take them out it was government policy and we were told to do it. so decisions need to be made with good, sound information, and knowledge, not on a whim, as it were. the central challenge for theresa may in this speech is to

reclaim the environment for the tories who admit they had a mixed record in recent decades in promoting their green credentials. but the prime minister will say that preserving resources lies at the heart of conservative principles, preserving the public finances to ensure debt is not passed on to future generations, and preserving natural resources to ensure that this generation leaves the planet in a better condition for future generations. this is about reusing, recycling and minimising the amount of natural resources that we are using and it comes down to a very fundamental conservative philosophy, what attracted me to the conservative party originally, it is about stewardship, it is about doing stuff today that we may in our lifetime never see the benefit of, but others will, and it is that long—term view, that is why i like the idea of a generation, this generation, for the first time, lee

is the state of the environment in a better state than in that in which we found it. the problem is it often comes far too late and they will spend a very long time poo—pooing science about whether the destruction of the environment is happening or not and often they act after public opinion has finally swayed and indeed after the environmental damage has happened. so for the conservative party to earn theirgreen so for the conservative party to earn their green credentials, they have to be a lot more proactive about tackling these issues before the environmental damage occurs. about tackling these issues before the environmental damage occursm rural areas, life can sometimes move ata rural areas, life can sometimes move at a sedate pace. but the passion stirred on how to protect the environment only becomes more heated with time. nick watt. now i am joined by the leading lights of the movement, sallyjohnson, former conservative mep, environmental campaigner for over 15 years —— 50 years. caroline

lucas is the green party's only mp. anything from what you have seen so far that you disagree with, this action on plastics, trees, farmer subsidies based on what they get back. there is very little that you disagree with, i am assuming. little i disagree with so far. the devil will be in the details on whether or not there is real legislative weight behind the proposals we are hearing. what we need to see is a real commitment to the environment act, which would make sure that all of these aspirations are properly turned into policy. don't forget, we have been here before with the conservatives adopting a nice green sheen. we had david cameron hugging his huskies and then when he was in office he went to culling badgers and finding about green clap. we know there is a detoxification process going on here. we know the tories have had some polling which tells them they need to more compassionate. this is a way to do that. if they are really serious there are two things they need

to look for. one is the environment act with proper targets, timetables and legislative weight, and the other is to make sure there is action on climate change as well. you can talk about plastic as much as you like and plastic is a serious problem to marine animals, but if you're really serious about the health of the oceans, it is climate change which is warming the oceans, leaching our corals which is causing mammals to die. the problem is the tories look at the environment in a compartmentalised way. next week we may be talking about a whole new fracking industry the government wants to unleash. if they do that, it will completely undermine their plan. stanley, it does look very ambitious. in 25 years theresa may will not be held to account. 2042 is a long, long way away. i think we have to assume we get quite a lot of action much before that. 0n the plastics front it is good she is doing that. i think it is vital that she takes the comments with you. how can it be good to say we will get rid of that in 25 years? i think we have to take a very advanced view. so she is not doing enough on plastics?

at the moment we are doing plastic bags. she is planning to have now a consultation on single use plastic bottles. tremendously important. i take caroline's point. this is not necessarily a left right issue. the conservatives honestly, in 1969, i was the conservative officer on the environment. we did take it seriously and by the way, we won the election in 1970, so i think they were right. that you agree you cannot divorce climate change fracking from what you are trying to do for 25 years on pollution? the problem is every time caroline and i meet together we agree with each other. you agree with me. do you think his politics are a barrier to helping

the environment, or do you think stanleyjohnson and the conservative party can solve it? stanley has a real reputation for having done excellent work on the environment in the past. where i would disagree now is he has done this extraordinary u—turn on this position on brexit. he used to be alongside me, he set up environmentalist for europe, he is now adopting brexit. if he does this it will massively undermined the environment. hold on, what i am assuming tomorrow in this speech that mrs may will make, i think part of the environment plan is to take over into eu law the whole raft of eu environmental legislation. and i think she's going to say that she will have an enforcement agency to do what the commissioner and ec]. .. we had a chance to vote on that. i put an amendment and it was not voted on. we started talking about

the ideology of the environment and who had a right to it? would you agree that the biggest friend to the environment is the daily mail. they did all the work against microbeads, the plastic bag tax, sea pollution. this is tomorrow's headline. mail end the plastic scourge. they have done more to help the cause arguably than the greens have. you are going too far. i take your point that they do some are good consumer campaigns. but you have to go to the middle ground. you have to do both. you have to get people aboard with understandable specific campaigns but you have to address the structural difficulties as well. for as long as the daily mail and the conservatives are promoting more and more of the same kind of economic growth, we will not have the systemic change we need. we have to change the way we do business. if the conservatives had to choose between economic growth and environ mental concerns, you know economic growth would always come first?

one of the problems in this whole area is one of the reasons we are forcing ourselves down the economic growth through it if they constantly expanding population of this country and you cannot ignore that. we are going up to 70 million with 80 million in prospect. we should aim for stability as far as pollution is concerned and stability as far as economic growth is concerned. years ago i wrote that and i think it needs to happen. but we need to look at some practical things right now. hs2, when push comes to shove, when economic gains put on one side and the environment on the other, it is the economy which always wins out. there is something that planting more trees, that is great. hs2 will threaten 35 agent woodlands. there is nojoined up thinking. —— ancient woodlands. i think one of my sons is responsible for hsz. have a word with him.

we can take a leading role internationally, forests, plastic pollution, climate change and i would put in wildlife, biodiversity. crucial areas. thank you both very much. how well do politicians know the electorate? and do voters really speak their minds when asked about their concerns? to get a better understanding of peoples worries and insecurities one think tank, demos, tried to take the pulse of people in england — paying particular attention to white over fifties voters — in areas that have undergone the most significant cultural and economic dislocation over the past three decades. instead of asking responders to tick boxes, it took down quotes and comments, word for word — inviting people to answer honestly and anonymously without fear of what some called ‘the need for political correctness'. we'll ask if their words represent legitimate economic grievance, wistful nostalgia or a failure to engage with modern britain in a moment. first, john sweeney has been gauging reaction to the report's content on canvey island in essex.

where better to discuss the latest trends in british society than on the riviera, the essex riviera, that is, and nowhere more lovely than ca nvey island ? so, this think tank called demos which is full of lardy dar types has had a go at people like me, white and over 55, you could call us pale and stale if not necessarily male. our views are a mixed bag, some of them perhaps a bit too miserable worrying about the decline of christianity, worrying about do—gooders. 0n the other hand, what's wrong with thinking about family? what's wrong with believing that you should respect people? we moved out of london into housing, council housing from the old kent road.

they have known each other virtually their entire adult lives. by the way, are you sisters or just mates? friends for the last 50 years. 50 years, when did you meet? we met when i was waitressing in a nightclub. i was about 18 when we met in london because we lived in london. was life better then? easier. yeah. i think it was easier, your husband went to work. ijust think it was easier. i don't think you wanted for much, your main thing in life was that you had a roof over your head and your kids were at school and had a job when they came out of school. that was the main thing then. the demos report quoted dozens of people across the country. here is one. what were you respectful of them that you see kids are not respectful of now? things get handed... if you are sitting around the table, which we do, and use it all round the table,

you have notjust got the adults around the table, you've got the children as well, so you are kind of passing on knowledge, respect... and love. caring about one another and showing them which way to go. sitting on this bench dedicated to his late wife we came across brian. too many do—gooders, our group think that. do you think that? i'm not sure on that one about do—gooders. i don't meet many in my life. i meet a lot of people who are helpful in many ways, you know, in terms of the friendship i've had through what's happened to me. i've had some very good friends.

would you call them do—gooders? i don't think so. you can't go to canvey island without going down the booze. the survey said older whites were not great at naming politicians. true? name a politician? margaret thatcher. she's dead, name a living one. are any of them living? steve ? theresa may. you are the intellectual, name another one. tony blair, david cameron. you are listing half of the cabinet, well, theresa may is in it the others are out. why are your grandkids less optimistic about their future is then you were at their age? one thing comes down to the immigration. there are less jobs for our kids anymore. that's what i see anyway. what about buying a house?

the same thing. are people more respectful of parity now all before? they are less respectful of authority, since they took the cane away at school, teachers are not allowed to punish children. parents now seem to let their kids get away with anything. years ago i had more respect for my parents. i got up to loads of skulduggery but i never took it home, it never went to my door. i had more respect for my mum and dad, whereas the kids nowadays don't seem to care, they have no respect for anything. as far as capturing the views of canvey island was concerned, the survey was spot on. john sweeney there. we're joined by sophie gaston who is the acting director of the demos think tank which is behind today's report. also with us is danny lockwood, the publisher of the press newspaper, which covers dewsbury and batley in west yorkshiure

and areeq chowdhury who is the chief executive of webroots democracy, a digital democracy organisation. lovely to have you here. if i can start with you, sophie, from what you've heard from canvey island today, does that reflect the sort of voices you are putting together in that report? absolutely. the key theme that came out of all of the focus groups we did was a sense that britain is fundamentally on the wrong track and that people have really utterly lost faith in the capacity of politicians to shape and improve their lives. for people to day life feel stressful, it feels precarious, and a real sense of mourning around things that have been lost. danny, i'm going to come to you, this idea of the wrong track. if we could pull up these quotes, these are verbatim quotes, they don't necessarily all read very obviously but let's just pull up one of those quotes now.

there are too many do—gooders around. we saw a bit of that in the film, didn't we? to tell you what you can't do rather than tell you what you can do. what does that say to you? that speaks to me right off the top of the nanny state really. but it all lies within this political correctness that is also kind of invading every element of life. i'm not surprised old people feel as though they are getting blamed for getting old, they have sustained the nhs for years but they suddenly feel they are a burden on it. and i think when they are used to having a sense of community and a place in life, they disappear. when you say political correctness, what does that mean? i can only go to my experience and say we have seen radical socioeconomic cultural shifts in our town and community has gone and it's been replaced by, if you like, the diktats of whether it is political orjudicial or local authority, an administration that seems to elevate, real or imagined minorities, its values and rights above there is. i think they have been told, and they are sick of being told,

that their values and their traditions and their cultural heritage is worthless. areeq, do you recognise that as being a corrosive element? i wish we lived in a politically correct society to don't think we did i believe political correctness as having basic respect for one another. we need to talk about this as political correctness gone mad and itjust needs to be political correctness. i read in the report that some people were talking about how we are not really a christian country anymore. i wish we lived in a country that practised christian values, love thy neighbour, do unto others as you would have them do to you. that's what political correctness is about. political correctness, when you boil it down, is about freedom of speech. personally, i think freedom of speech doesn't mean that you can simply say whatever the expletive you want about something without there being consequences. while we talk about the freedom

of speech i must apologise to our viewers. that perfectly illustrates my point i say something and there is a consequence and my reason for saying that is people are annoyed about political correctness, but what it's about as you are free to say what you like in a society. isn't that the point that these people don't feel they have a voice. you can any newspaper in society and that is freedom of speech but if you see something i deemed to be racist or bigoted i am free to call you out on that, that's the consequence, i can call out sexism, homophobia, islamophobia... it is deeper than that, that is kind of almost an intellectual examination of it. these people are talking about their real lives, their real experiences, about their community is being broken up, about the landscape that their families have known for generations and generations being supplanted. there are changes throughout history. there is no monopoly on british society. in this country in a period of time

that we are witnessing, these people are bearing witness to it, they have a right to be affected by it and feel like they are not represented. i don't want to break up the conversation but i want to bring up the next quote, this is about cultural identity. if we can just pull this one up, which says my husband's got a van and it's got an english flag and he actually got pulled up the other day by somebody and they said, why have you got an english flag on your van? i'm reading the rest of it here. sophie, to bring you in, is this part of a bigger conversation about the flag and about patriotism overjingoism, or discomfort with that? what did you hear? there was a huge amount of discussion about english cultural and national identity and it wasn'tjust a flag, it was also st george's day, all of these different things, and i think lots of citizens were telling us that we feel that the political classes have branded these as somehow racist, or a symbol of intolerance, or exclusion, and then they are thinking, hang on, we have to constantly adapt and welcome all these

other nationalities, and what we start to see here is cultural pluralism creating this kind of zero—sum game. let me start on this one then if i can with you, areeq. do you find the st george's flag makes you uncomfortable? it depends who is waving it. it has not been made racist, by the way, by immigrants or politicians, it's been made racist by the likes of the edl and bnp. that's because those are racist organisations that use that flag as their brand and when it comes to what you see on tv, apart from the world cup, you will see the england fired at an edl demonstration on the news. i have a real problem with that because i think this is a real symbol branded by people like emily thornberry, when she ridiculed and england football supporter in 2014... her career has not

suffered for it, has it? she apologised for it. it is a symbol of the wider problem that where we have schools now with the educational establishment is brainwashing our kids that this isn't a country that you can be very proud of. no school is brainwashing their kids... would you feel able to put a flag up in the window? in my case it would be a yorkshire flag. i wouldn't have a problem about that. i'm proud of my county, my country, and the united kingdom. you don't feel that part has been shut down? i would do it just the awkward but i would know there be people... they would be people passing judgment on me because i was showing a symbol of patriotism. i find that that really is horrific. you should address the issue,

which is people have taken that flag and turned it into meaning something, to some people it means racism, that's the real issue, whereas in society we see people twisting that into these immigrants are coming here at changing our culture identity but that is not true. i'm going to bring in another quote now, about immigration. i will start with sophie to put this into context for us. the immigrants that got in now, they are not working, or they are working for their money and sending it off. does that fit into the kind of quotes and feedback you were getting? absolutely. we saw very few expressions of overt racial prejudice in these focus groups, even when a space was created, save space, for people to express those views. there just wasn't that kind of feeling. but what there was was a very strong expression of what i would call welfare chauvinism. the idea that some people should have access to our social state and others shouldn't and the people who have the access, it should be owned by their social and economic contribution. danny.

i enjoyed this report because it felt like sophie was listening to me and my buddies at the bar in the pub. but on this one i don't think anything like this risks presenting cliches and stereotypes, and i kind of see that as one of those. what came out of the report that i really liked was the fairness that was identified quite broadly among people. do you think that is not fair, do you hear that quote and think it is not fair? i can see why that would grab a headline and be picked out but i don't think the report says that's even typical. i realised a finding that these people from a specific demographic who are not overtly racist, and i do think that fairness and get on with it attitude that shone through in the report is absolutely the generation of people that i still respect. when you hear the immigration argument, do you think it is about race, or do you think it can be about economic chauvinism?

i think it is racist. when it comes to this, this is a caricature of what britain is like. people are sold an idea, normally through the media, about immigrants coming here taking jobs and housing at the reality is completely different. lots of immigrants work hard and are doing jobs. my whole family are working in the nhs and my brother is a junior doctor. the other point about this that we cannot cover in this segment, i find the irony of britain being annoyed about people coming to their country and taking their resources when the richness of this country is built on centuries of the british empire going to other countries and ignoring borders, ignoring people, taking money. there we go, let's drag up

250 years of empire. why should we? and beat the people who i think made this country great. the british empire? the very welcoming and safe place on the whole for migrants. the british empire that killed millions of people. we will all go back and apologise for everything all the way back. this is a key part. you cannot just ignore. if you want to be magician is now the culture identity. are we talking about politicians trying to re—engage with a whole swathe of the country that has disengaged and thinks all politicians are self—serving liars? that's what this report tells us. i actually think the politicians are missing a trick. what to do politicians do with this now? you can hear clear divide between how people perceive the same sort of grievances or injustices. if you were a politician saying, how do we make them both happy? what was really striking for me

is there's been a lot of conversation around intergenerational warfare between the young and the old, this primary rift in our society. i think what this shows is even amongst the older generation, there are very clear conflicts here. there are the people who are sort of willing, if not enthusiastic about embracing change and handing over to the next generation, and then there are the people who continue to see themselves as the dominant and authentic voice of british values in the heart of britain, and are very actively resistant to change. i think it is the political decisions about whether to favour or to try and reconcile these two or to take leadership to take us in a completely different direction, which will ultimately define where we go. or at least recognise the concerns. absolutely. recognise the concerns that it undermines the issue when the media have put the blame on immigrants.

i think that suits your agenda. we will have you back for the next report. thank you for coming in. and even after the watershed, i have to apologise and say we're not allowed to swear unless we warn you first. over five billion journeys are made by bus each year. by contrast only around 250 million journeys are made on trains. but in terms of political fallout — even though most of our rail system has long been privatised — when the trains fail it's the government that has to justify its handling of the network. it got it in the neck today from the national audit office over the way it awarded the govia thameslink franchise. it comes soon after the transport secretary chris grayling had to answer questions over the financial arrangements of the east coast franchise. today he said the companies running the route are not being given a bailout. despite the claims of the party opposite, this is not a bailout. there is no viable legal mechanism through which i can extract any more money from them.

my department is preparing contingency plans, as we do not believe the franchise will be financially viable through to 2020. i've clearly got a duty to do that for passengers. when we reach a conclusion to that work, i will come back to this house and make a statement. helen thomas is here. so, what's going on on the railways? the east coast specifically referenced today. what happened ? last november, the government said the east coast franchise which is a joint venture between stagecoach and virgin group would end in 2020, which is three years earlier than planned. stagecoach said they had over bid on this contract. they had been too aggressive and so critics have called this a bailoutm the taxpayer will lose out, and they said it should have been nationalised. the government dispute that. they concede the company have got their numbers wrong because big infrastructure and improvements have not come through as expected, but they say they will take 165 million off the companies, which was the full guarantee that was baked into this contract.

it has set up an almighty debate about rail franchising and whether it is working at all. in terms of other franchises, or the franchiuse model, where does this leave the government? huge amounts of debate about that in the industry. rail passenger numbers have flatlined. they rose above 4% on average each year since the mid—90s and they flat lined in 2016 and the latest numbers show them falling. the question is, have other companies got their numbers wrong? industry sources have said three other franchises they see could face difficulties, northern, greater anglia and trans—pennine. those were awarded around the 2015—16 period, very competitive bidding and before this downturn. the company we have spoken to, abellio, the dutch company behind greater anglia, say they are confident of meeting their targets and first group said they are not changing,

and all three companies say they are stressing and modernising and adding capacity and they should benefit from that. there is a huge ideological debate going on here. labour says privatisation has failed. industry would say passenger traffic has doubled since the ‘90s. you know, that's success. in reality, these are not private companies, these are huge government contracts with lots of complicated requirements in them. the question is, who bears the risk when things go wrong and that will always be controversial. thank you. at the time of his death, two years ago today, david bowie was collaborating on a book, including many previously unseen photographs from his hugely successful serious moonlight tour of 1983. bowie played to packed stadiums around the world on the back of his hit album let's dance. and following him, both on—stage and off, was british photographer denis 0'regan. 0'regan's putting together a limited edition boxed—set of 1,000 or so photographs plus other memorabilia, called ricochet for sale to collectors and bowie completists at a suitably starry price of £3000.

a more affordable paperback will also appear. denis 0'regan has been telling stephen smith about the thrills — and the stills — of life on the road with david bowie. music: let's dance he would actively want me to photograph him the whole time. we all queued up for our bags and david had his trolley, and, of course, i didn't take any pictures, thinking this is boring. but he and his pa said, i think you should be capturing this. this isn't how you normally see david. i realised really quickly that they wanted me to capture virtually everything that he did. music: let's dance # let's dance # put on your red shoes and dance the blues # arriving at the airport

surrounded as usual. denis 0'regan went round the world with david bowie. private jet, 5—star hotels, tough job, but somebody had to do it. he was photographer by appointment to the star on his all—conquering tour of 1983. music: let's dance # let's sway under the moonlight, this serious moonlight# the pair of them already had history. i met david outside olympic studios in barnes, west london when he was recording diamond dogs. and i was working in a newspaper shop, because i was still a teenager, working in a newspaper shop across the road. and some girls came into the shop giggling and asking to buy notebooks. so... for his autograph? to get his autograph. so i asked around and found out that's who it was. so i went home, got my camera and zipped back, got my uncle's camera, actually, zipped back and got some pictures of him walking into the studio, and then it was kind of, hello, you should work for nme sort of thing and that was our first exchange.

music: revel rebel # you've got your mother in a whirl # she's not sure if you're a boy or a girl # can i sit down here? yeah, sure. no, i can't. i'll sit here then. about two days ago emi records phoned me up in australia and said, would i like to take a 25 hour flight back and come and sit in a room with 75journalists? over the last year i've completed an album and single called let's dance, and tomorrow tickets go on sale in the uk, and in the next few days in the rest of europe for concert performances. music: modern love # i catch a paper boy # but things don't really change # i'm standing in the wind # but i never wave bye—bye bowie didn't seem to mind what pictures 0'regan took on his serious moonlight tour. he was more concerned about the ones he missed. the tour manager says,

"david wants to see you." so i said ok, so i wander down to the dressing room and as i opened up the dressing room door david was facing me and the make—up girl was behind me and i saw from her look that i was obviously in trouble for something. and david said, "did you get it?" and i said, "well, get what?" and he said, "get out of my sight." so i still didn't know what i'd missed. of course, it turned out he'd got hugely mobbed at the backstage door and i wasn't there. to make up for that actual instance, david rented a car and organised a picnic and drove me and two other friends out for a picnic that he'd arranged in a wildlife nature reserve. the man off—stage was very different to the persona that i'd seen of david bowie on stage, which was very cool and detached, which is the very opposite of david. he's very warm, funny, engaging, self—deprecating. he laughed a huge, huge amount. is that anywhere near accurate?

absolutely nowhere near accurate. can you give us a more accurate figure? of course not! i could do a book of david laughing. you mean shots of him? yeah. roaring away? yeah. he laughed, onstage he laughed a lot because he didn't have to play the thin white duke or ziggy stardust anymore. so, he was allowed to laughed onstage. but he laughed all the time off stage as well. it's what he really wanted to spend his time doing, was having fun. it was one of bowie's biggest tours in support of a massive hit record. but is it true that he didn't care for it overmuch? he was really, really proud of it. he was proud of the album, proud of the tour, proud of the show, and also it made him hugely rich. in the context then when he looked back and put that into the context of everything else he did it obviously wasn't as mean and dirty and culty as some of the other things he'd done. and to then look back and call

it his phil collins period. is that what he described it as? yeah, later on. 20 years later it suddenly became his phil collins period. but at the time it was his peak. i think now in a world where everything is so visual it's inconceivable that you become a star without the visual aspect, it's perhaps hard for us to recognise that when bowie started in the late 605 that this was less of a concept and he was very, very early on to that idea of fusing the visual and the music. he knew how important image was. music: lazarus. # just like that bluebird # 0nce so accessible, the star became more reclusive in latter years, following health problems. but 0'regan said he never stopped wanting to be david bowie. he'd made mistakes but he learned from those mistakes, and some of those mistakes and less popular parts of his career became part of that tapestry, part of that timeline.

i think he was happy with that. i think he was very happy with being david bowie. but he wanted to be david jones as well. it's very difficult for someone as famous as him and so distinctive, but he managed to disappear when he wanted to disappear. music: lazarus # ain't thatjust like me # steven smith, and david bowie, who died two years ago today. that is all we have time for tonight. good night from all of us. good evening to you. the weather fortu nes good evening to you. the weather fortunes were mixed across the british isles today. some of us saw glorious sunshine. here is a picture of the afternoon. some of our

sparely got a look in. one or two areas were stuck with some persistent cloud, and here in worcestershire you can hardly make up worcestershire you can hardly make up the bridge in the background. just a very dank and damp feeling day as well. the fog is thickening outside across the midlands once more and extending across wales, into southern england, across northern ireland, very murky at the moment, and we expect some dense patches across scotland at the end of the night. chilly as well with a patchy frost in these areas. further is, mild with cloud around thanks to the remnants of a weather front in the remnants of a weather front in the east, so it is murky one way or another —— further east. the fog is likely to be problematic, dense patches and widespread, if you are taking to the roads on thursday that could be some problems. for scotland i think it is a chilly start with a bit of brightness to the north, rather gloomy further south, certainly very murky in northern ireland. across northern england,

patchy fog in the west and then the dense cloud further east, similar story in wales and the south—west with the fog around extending into the west midlands. further east fog as well but mostly hill fog, misty, murky and grey with some rain to get the day under way as well, not particularly inspiring, is it? and as we play the clock across eastern england it won't improve dramatically. maybe the drizzle will give up but we will be stuck with cloud through the day. western areas hopefully see the cloud lifting up, breaking upa hopefully see the cloud lifting up, breaking up a little bit, letting through sunshine in the afternoon. maybe for the south—west of england, over high ground and wales, quite good, and for much of scotland, but look at the two in glasgow, with the fog thick, that is what the forecast is doing, you could be in for a very chilly day. first and into friday, action replay, or lack of action, stagnating, with mist and fog, friday is off to a grey start, perhaps some hazy sunshine in the west, the east always looking quite

gloomy. and nothing moves on in any great hurry. this front comes into northern ireland on friday with some quite wet weather here and then just very slowly through the weekend it tries to push its way eastwards. not doing too much to really improve the way the weather is going to be looking this weekend. i am afraid it is still a grey story with a lot of cloud around, a bit of drizzle, perhaps the most exciting thing to happen, it could be a little bit breezy. that's the best i can do. i'm rico hizon in singapore. the headlines: a desperate search for survivors after mudslides in california. at least 15 have died, but rescuers find some survivors, including a baby. we dug down and found a little baby. i don't know where it came from. we got it out, got the mud out of its mouth. i'm hoping it's ok, they took it right to the hospital. the search for malaysia airlines

flight mh370 is back on, one year after it was officially suspended. we will speak to someone whose mother was on board. i'm kasia madera in london. also in the programme: the moment authorities demolish an outlawed church in china.