in this is bbc news. i'm ben brown. the headlines at 8pm. patients are dying in corridors — the stark warning from more than 60 a&e doctors who've written an open letter to the prime minister. the former boss of bhs is found guilty of failing to give information to the pensions regulator about the collapse of the company's scheme. plastic—free supermarket aisles and a 5p bag charge extended to small shops — theresa may lays out her 25 year plan to improve the environment. which shops sparkled and who had a takings turkey? the winners and losers on the high street this christmas. also this evening, rescuers continue to search for people missing after the california mudslides. eight people still missing and 17 people are now known to have died. dozens of homes have been destroyed after heavy rains hit the area. youtube cuts ties with one of its star vloggers

logan paul after he posted a controversial video. i believe oprah wakes up in the morning and both personally and professionally wonders what she can patients are dying in hospital corridors in accident and emergency departments in england and wales because safety has been compromised by "intolerable" conditions. that's the blunt warning made in a letter to theresa may, signed by 68 senior doctors who run

a&e departments. today, there's fresh evidence of the pressure those units are under. over 300,000 patients waited longer than they should in december. 85% of patients were seen in four hours — well below the 95% target — the figure equals the previous low recorded last january. crisis that we have had the letter from the a&e consultants

sets out the impact of the pressure and their own experiences. over 120 patients a day managed in corridors, some dying prematurely. an average of 10—12 hours from decision to admit a patient until they are transferred to a bed, and patients sleeping in clinics as makeshift wards. they say nhs winter planning failed to deliver what was needed. but the prime minister insisted that significant measures had been put in place. for the first time ever, urgent gp appointments being available throughout the christmas period. that was a decision taken to improve the service for people, but also to ensure that the nhs had that better capacity to deal with these winter pressures. for the opposition, the problem is really about funding. the money has to go in now.

but it should have gone in earlier. because even if the chancellor announced billions today, we can't spend it all by tomorrow. is that the one that you want? while the debate goes on, rosie can only reflect on a humiliating experience in a&e. she was in severe pain because of a gynaecological problem and was bleeding heavily. theremfiofieysl you can't see to someone's dignity, you can't ensure that they are having a private conversation and that if they break down in tears, which i think i did, i think i am pretty sure that i cried as well, but you can't look into anybody's right to privacy or anything like that. at some hospitals, like ipswich, they say careful planning paid off g

for vaccinations for nhs staff to be compulsory. some hospitals have greater than 90% vaccination of their health workers. others, less than 20%. this has to be an issue of leadership, but we need people in the health care sector to protect their patients. we have a duty of care to our patients. flu has been an even bigger problem for scotland's hospitals, with the a&e waiting time target missed. it's the same in wales, by a bigger margin.

winter has been bleak so far for the nhs in the uk, and there are still a couple of months to go. hugh pym, bbc news. we can now speak to roy lilley — a former nhs trust chairman and now a health commentator. thank you very much indeed for being with us. this letter from these very senior doctors. they are talking about intolerable situations, saying people are dying prematurely. is that your view? is this an exaggeration riveter reality of the nhs today? i think it's the truth. it is going on every day. managers have been saying it, chief executives have been saying it, the nurses have been saying it and now the doctors are saying it. hopefully the doctors are saying it. hopefully the government to listen. it is as bad as bad as i have seen it in all my years in and around the health

service. what is the one key reason, would you say? is it simply that there are not enough beds in hospitals? we have 100,000, perhaps a few more beds, and when they are full, they are full. primary care's job is to keep people out of hospital and they can't do that. social services job is to get people home safely and keep them there and they can't do that. so hospitals are stuck in the middle and when the beds are full, they are full, and the difficulty is you could put beds up the difficulty is you could put beds up in boardrooms, even a field hospital in the car park, but the difficulty is we don't have enough staff. there are 40,000 vacancies in the nursing profession, rated gaps amongstjunior doctors the nursing profession, rated gaps amongst junior doctors and everyone is working at full stretch. various very little slack in the system. in the last 30 years, nhs beds have been cut by half and the number of

admissions starboard. if you factor in also that in the last ten years, but stays have halved. it takes the people that put the patients safely through the system and we don't have the people. the letter from the 60 accident and emergency department heads and doctors saying that the nhs is severely and chronically underfunded. is it reallyjust a question of money? it is mainly a question of money? it is mainly a question of money? it is mainly a question of money. when the prime minister says the nhs has had more money than it's ever had in its history and all the rest of it, well look, these are the facts. since 1948 up to 2010, all those years, the nhs has had roughly an annual increase of about 4%. it's gone up and down, but an average of 4%. now, that 4% matches, sort of, the

demand. demand goes up 4% every year, we are getting older and all the rest of it. since 2010, and in the rest of it. since 2010, and in the financial window between 2010 and 2020, the average increase per annum will be 1.2%. now, you don't have to be a manager or a mathematical genius to realise there's a huge gap between 4% and 1.296 there's a huge gap between 4% and 1.2% and also, the demand curve is going up. 4% each year, 4% e:g., 4% each year. so demand has gone up, the nhs is doing more work than it is being paid to do and that's part of the problem. very good to talk to you. thank you for your analysis. that's roy lilley there, a former nhs trust chairman and health commentator. the man who was in charge of the retail chain, bhs, when it went bust in 2016 has been found guilty

in brighton magistrates court on three charges of failing to provide information demanded by the pensions regulator, which is investigating the collapse of the firm. the judge said that dominic chappell was not a credible witness. let's speak to our correspondent who has been following the case. what happened in court? well, i havejust come from the court in brighton where thejudge come from the court in brighton where the judge handed come from the court in brighton where thejudge handed over his verdict quite late, about an hour ago, and dominic chappell, you will remember, is the man who bought vhs for £1 from sir philip green, the retail tycoon who had controlled it for 20 years. that was in 2015 and little more than a year later he presided over its collapse, going into administration, and in that time since then mps, the insolvency service as well, have been investigating, but also the pension regulator because the pension scheme had a huge deficit and they have been trying to get to the bottom of that. in that process, on three

occasions, they made legal orders to get information from him, all of which thejudge has get information from him, all of which the judge has found here legally neglected or refused to respond to, and that is what he has been found guilty of this evening. simon, thank you very much indeed. simon, thank you very much indeed. simon gompertz there in brighton. the prime minister has pledged to eliminate avoidable plastic waste within 25 years — as part of a plan to improve britain's environment. she has urged supermarkets to introduce aisles where shoppers can buy products with no plastic packaging. a small charge for disposable plastic bags will also be extended to all shops, notjust big retailers. theresa may called plastic waste "one of the great environmental scourges of our time". but some campaigners have criticised the plans, saying they lack "urgency, detail and bite". our political editor laura kuenssberg reports. what do you think i should look for? a grand vision, we were promised, a plan to look after the spaces around us for years to come

and the prime minister trying to spot political opportunity, too. the environment is something personal to each of us but it is also something that collectively we hold in trust for the next generation and we have a responsibility to protect and enhance it. top of the list, cleaning up plastics that harm wildlife on land and sea, more charges for plastic bags, possible taxes on containers and encouraging shops to use less. but over time, a long time, with no new law to underline the change. in years to come, i think people will be shocked at how today we allow so much plastic to be produced needlessly. it truly is one of the great environmental scourges of our time. so we will take action at every stage of production and consumption of plastic. you are talking about ideas taking place over 25 years with no legal guarantees.

if actions speak louder than words, do you really believe this problem is acute and urgent? it is an inspiring plan, it is a long—term plan, it is about the next 25 years. but it is a plan that speaks to everybody with an interest in our environment. everybody who wants to ensure future generations are able to enjoy a beautiful environment and a beautiful place in which to live. looking on, alongside the white—faced whistling ducks, green campaigners pleased there is a plan. but not quite convinced that a government that also believes in fracking and building high—speed rail really means it. the problem about talking about a 25—year plan, in the absence of hard measures about what they will do here and now, is this is a government where most commentators question if it will last 25 months, or possibly even 25 days.

what we need to know is what are the actions happening in 2018 to make a difference. theresa may says conservation and conservatism have always gone hand in hand, but this is notjust about principles, or policy, or this new environment plan, it is also about politics and how the tories fell back at the general election. anxious that millions of younger voters turned to labour then, the tories have tried to detox their image with those groups, greening their credentials, banning microbeads, plans to end the sale of ivory. what does labour make of the plastics plan? 25 years is far too long. the plastics culture has to be challenged. the throwaway society culture has to be challenged and the pollution of our rivers and seas by plastic waste is absolutely dreadful. the prime minister believes her promise is the right one to make. her hope — to create a habitat more friendly to her political breed. laura kuenssberg, bbc news. our political correspondent, alex forsyth is in westminster.

is this partly as laura was just suggesting an attempt to woo younger voters or is this truly may going green? the criticism of this is twofold. on one front, there are people who say this is political opportunism, that the conservatives have realised they have a problem with younger voters, they recognise that environmental issues matter a lot to the younger generation and so they are trying to capitalise on that by showing off their green credentials and that's what this is all about. the other criticism, as laura mentioned in her report, is that this is a very long—term plan and some people say it's too vague without enough specific actions or immediate actions in it. however, green groups have broadly welcomed the ambitions behind this and the government is very clear they want this generation to leave the

environment in a better situation for the next generation, which is why this is a longer term plan. they say the conservative party has a lwa ys say the conservative party has always been protective of the environment so this is not about trying to win votes, it's about trying to win votes, it's about trying to win votes, it's about trying to do the right thing. 0k, alex, i want to ask you about one of the other big political stories of the other big political stories of the day. nigel farage, the former ukip leader, suggesting he might wa nt ukip leader, suggesting he might want a second referendum on leaving the eu. let's hear what he said. my mind is actually changing on this. what is for certain is that the plagues, the blairs, the adonis as will never ever give up. they will go one whingeing and moaning all the way through this process. so maybe, just maybe, i am reaching the point of thinking we should have a second referendum on eu membership... the whole thing? yes, of course, unless you want a multiple—choice

referendum. i think if we had a second referendum, we would kill it off for a generation. the percentage that would vote leave next time would be much greater than it was last time and then we could kill the whole thing off and blair would disappear into obscurity. that was nigel farage earlier unsurprising quite a few people i think with that idea of a second referendum. what has been the reaction? the reaction has been the reaction? the reaction has been the reaction? the reaction has been welcomed broadly by remainers. those who want another referendum on the table welcome his comments. that might be an alliance he wouldn't have expected but the motivations are very different. nigel farage made it clear the referendum for him would be to silence the remainers who moaning. the polls are not clear as to what the result of any second referendum would be but both sides are

convinced they would win. nigel farage as a radio show and he was on that radio show tonight and he clarified what he said, saying he wasn't saying there should be a second referendum but he thought there would be one and therefore leaders had to be prepared for it. his comments attracted criticism from those organising leaving, saying this undermines it and number ten said this matter has been decided and there will be no second vote. all right, alex, thank you very much indeed. alex forsyth there. the latest headlines on bbc news at 80 team pm. —— at 8:18pm. patients are dying in corridors. that is what 60 doctors have said in an open letter to the prime minister. the former owner of bhs is found guilty of failing to provide

information to the pensions regulator. plastic free aisles in supermarkets and the five be back tax extended to small shops. theresa may has been explaining her 25 year environmental plan. time for all the sport now. the boston celtics versus the philadelphia 76ers have come to london, for the fourth time that the nfl have come here and tonight was the sum of the sport ‘s best players playing. they have said though that it is looking less likely that there will be a permanent nfl team here. now, the referee who will awarded a

controversial penalty which eventually cost ireland there play—off against... despite images showing the ball struck the player's shoulder. perhaps it will come as little comfort to northern ireland supporters about the referee has admitted he got it wrong back in november. translation: it was a sad and unpleasant moment for me, sad because i made that mistake, painful because i made that mistake, painful because with my team of officials, we had been performing well. in our world, the referees are the same as the goalkeepers. everyone sees the mistake. the introduction of var technology, too late for those matches, but used in the fa cup this week. i think form the referee's

perspective, it's an opportunity to correct things within a match and more importantly for football it will bring a high degree of fairness and integrity and it will also affect how players behave because they know they can't get away with things in the match. translation: var will bring improvements. you have seen the results elsewhere. there will always be discussions but iam firmly there will always be discussions but i am firmly convinced those big m ista kes i am firmly convinced those big mistakes will be eliminated. his error appears to have cost him a place at the world cup finals in russia as a referee but he still hopes to go, ironically as a video assistant referee. james vince and mark stoneman have kept their place in england's test squad, despite struggling in the ashes tests, as they go to new zealand. there is the first test call—up for 24—year—old liam livingston. a lot of people see me asa livingston. a lot of people see me as a white ball cricket whereas i myself see myself the other way

around. my stats would show that my strength is in red bull cricket, so i've already had a taste of international experience with the 20 20s this year and it will be a nice opportunity to go into the environment this time with a lot more confidence in my game. the draw for the australian open was made earlier today in melbourne and we we re made earlier today in melbourne and we were here about the prospects for british players in a moment but the defending champion roger federer was at the door and he saw himself drawn against slovenian. the world number one rafah nadal and last year's runner—up starts against estrella the only british male in melbourne, kyle edmund, faces anderson.

that is all the sport for now. i will have more for you in sports day at10:30pm. a woman has appeared before magistrates charged with murdering a man whose remains were found buried in a garden at stockport in greater manchester. barbara coombes, who's 63 and believed to be the daughter of the victim, kenneth coombes, is also accused of fraud. she'll appear at manchester crown court tomorrow. search teams in california are still trying to find eight people missing following mudslides on tuesday. 17 people are known to have died after a torrent of mud carrying boulders the size of small cars smashed through the

town of montecito. more than 500 homes have been damaged or destroyed. james cook reports. turn around! the flash flood is right there! get out of here, go! this was the moment it began. oh, my god, mom! and then panic. close the door! it was a million miles an hour in slow motion, if that makes sense. i clicked in survival gear, survival mode. wake dad up! every second, it is just roaring and banging against the house and the most vicious and violent sounds you have ever heard. montecito is onlyjust beginning to grasp the scale of the disaster which will bear its name. for this idyllic little town ofjust 9000 people, recovery will be long and hard.

this was somebody‘s driveway. there are three cars destroyed. buried inside that rubble. looking at this house, it is difficult to believe anyone on this street survived, but many did and their stories are remarkable. people walked their dogs through here, there are trails, my kids have grown up riding their bikes. noelle fled with her three children just before the storm. but many of her neighbours did not. two young boys were swept out of their home, along with their mother. in the middle of the night. and the dog is gone. and they are lucky to be fine. it is like a war zone here. there are homes that arejust missing. and i walk down the street and i see balls, and toys, and bicycles and shoes and socks. and knives and hammers. it looks like people's lives are just washed to the ocean. much of the wreckage ended up clogging the main coastal motorway. the mountains above are scarred by rivers of debris.

southern california was once famed for its agreeable climate. these days, it reels from drought, fire and flood. james cook, bbc news, montecito. youtube has cut some business ties with a popular video blogger — logan paul — more than a week after he was criticised for posting a video appearing to show the body of a suicide victim. the 22—year—old said he felt ashamed afterfilming at a location injapan known to be a frequent site of suicides. logan paul's channel has more than 15 million subscribers. here's our media editor amol rajan. we are going to take a break from vlogging and take a break from each other. low budget, confessional and often astonishingly popular. this couple announced they were breaking up on youtube in a video seen 15 million times. if i can do it, you

can do it, for sure. they are part of a phenomenon called vlogging, or video blogging, very often on google—owned youtube. this 21st—century cottage industry has created a vast new fleet of online celebrities. many vloggers have a committed following among those aged between 18 and 34 — a demographic prized by advertisers. vloggers like logan paul. the 22—year—old american is a youtube star — or was. i think this definitely marks a moment in youtube history. this morning, youtube cut business ties with him after he naively posted a video from japan's aokigahara forest, infamous as a suicide spot. paul issued an apology to his 15 million subscribers on youtube. i have made a severe and continuous lapse of myjudgment and i don't expect to be forgiven. i'm simply here to apologise. youtube declined to be interviewed.

in a statement, they said: it has taken us a long time to respond, but we have been listening to everything you've been saying. we know that the actions of one creator can affect the entire community. vlogging is now a hugely profitable business with the likes of logan paul making vast sums of money in a variety of ways. they get paid between £1 to £3 per 1000 clicks and can top up their income through merchandising and deals with brands. and they do all of that without the more stringent controls applied to traditional media. the boss of britain's biggest media agency wants to see smarter regulation. i would definitely like to see vloggers with this much reach and influence to have the sorts of regulation that traditional broadcasters have got to adhere to, particularly around content that can be dangerous, can be glamorising or condoning anti—social behaviour, dangerous behaviour, that can be copied by children. i'm going to be the biggest entertainer on the planet.

logan paul and his ilk portend a new kind of celebrity — one that is intimate, incessant and ever more devotional. for all of the glory of the open web, the danger is that his kind of immaturity exposes audiences to material that is in nobody‘s interests. i'm just getting warmed up. amol rajan, bbc news. joining us now is amelia tait, the technology and digital culture writer for the new statesman. she first wrote about this soon after the controversial video was uploaded onto youtube and has been following events closely. first of all, tell us a bit more about logan paul. he really appeals to children effectively, doesn't he? he's a celebrity a lot of adults have probably never heard of. he has 15 million subscribers but a lot of them are preteen very young boys and girls who very much idolise him. on

you tube, he films everything he ever does and people avidly watch it. tell us more about this controversial video that he put out, including a body. obviously quite shocking material. yes, logan was visiting japan and filming everything he did and when he deserted the so—called suicide forest at the base of mount fuji, he went off the main path, seemingly knew what he would find, found the body, filmed it, blurred the face, but kept in the hands, the body itself, the individual ‘s possessions, but was seeing laughing, joking, drinking satay, genuinely being disrespectful. does anybody that that when it goes on to you tube? there's absolutely no pre—emptive vetting but not only that, youtube have their own internal guidelines, but as we see with how slow they have acted this week, there is no independent body

which is prepared to regulate this. i have asked ofcom, the children's commissioner, the department for digital culture and nobody seems to wa nt to ta ke digital culture and nobody seems to want to take responsibility for regulating this as a media platform. as such a big star, he makes money for youtube but they have kind of punished him to a degree. what have they done? they have given him a slap on the wrist. if you look at it asa slap on the wrist. if you look at it as a traditional employer employee relationship, they have taken away the perks of the job but he has kept the perks of the job but he has kept thejob. he will still the perks of the job but he has kept the job. he will still be able to make money on the site, he will make his £9 million a year, but he won't make official project with them which might have made more money. i actually think he will probably make more money because he's taken a break now, but when he comes back, everyone's eyes will be on him. everyone will want to watch the first video he uploads and more views equals more money. youtube have been criticised for taking a

long time to do anything about this. they say, it has taken us a long time to respond but we have been listening to everything that you the public have been saying. is that just an excuse because they make money out of him? it took a day for the uproar to even happen and then that day you chew promoted the video and i don't think they would have done anything of it hadn't been for people responding. logan's fans didn't respond with shock and 600,000 people liked it. i think youtube would have been perfectly happy to keep it up and it is only because some adults somewhere clocked eyes on this and realised. and probably as a result he is an even bigger name than he was. he is not going away any time soon. thank you for being with us. this is bbc news — our latest headlines.

i have to say, not a lot of sunshine today but i was trapped down in the south—eastern quarter with looked an awful lot like that. for a better chance of sunshine, turned out to be a glorious day but those clear skies and some parts will alone fork to form yet again overnight, rather akin to what we had last night but in one of two sports the fog may be fleeting. elsewhere if the breeze doesn't pick up without clouds coming in to get rid of the fog that could be a bit of an issue first up friday so bear that in mind for the journey through central and western parts. on through the day, a lot of dry weather around, showers across eastern and southern parts but many of you could stay dry through the day with a top temperature of 8—9. this is bbc news —

our latest headlines. patients are dying in corridors — the stark warning from more than 60 a&e doctors who've written an open letter to the prime minister. they say conditions are at times intolerable despite the best efforts of staff. the former boss of bhs is found guilty of failing to give information to the pensions regulator about the collapse of the company's scheme. the business had a £570 million pension deficit when it went bust in 2016. plastic—free supermarket aisles and a 5p bag charge extended to small shops — theresa may lays out her 25 year plan to improve the environment. it will include a ban on all avoidable plastic waste in the uk by 2042. rescuers continue to search for survivors after the california mudslides. eight people still missing and 17

people are now known to have died. dozens of homes have been destroyed after heavy rains hit the area. christmas shopping choices have had some retailers rejoicing — but others have reported rather frugal festive trading figures. tesco says it had a record christmas — but m&s suffered falls in both its food and clothing sales. here's emma simpson. the show‘s over, we've moved on. but the christmas story for retailers is only now becoming clear. so who are some of the winners and losers? tesco has done well, with sales up today, so have many of the other grocers. but food sales, usually a bright spot for marks & spencer, went into reverse, and there have been profit warnings at debenhams, mothercare and moss bros.

things are certainly more challenging here on the high street. take house of fraser, a business under pressure. it saw another fall in sales today. and you don't have to go far to see how the gap between the weaker and the stronger players is widening. here atjohn lewis, it's had no problem pulling customers in. it's one of the winners today. there's a sort of slight air of caution about people's attitudes, for all sorts of perfectly understandable reasons, but there is demand there. you just have to go and find it, and you have to create the conditions where people want things, and of course that comes down to having fabulous product. and it actually means you have to be outstanding at online and shops. this small but fast—growing online retailer is doing very nicely without shops. and is expecting to grow sales by 90% this year, but some are predicting problems

for the high street ahead. this is going to be the year of retail distress. we've already seen bits of distress percolating through even before christmas, and i think that the weaker players are going to find it too tough to really survive. it's been a season of mixed fortunes for retailers. the new year heralds the clearance sales and some uncertainty about what 2018 will bring. emma simpson, bbc news. more now on the new environment strategy outlined by the prime minister this morning, which was targeted at changing our throwaway culture, especially when it comes to plastic. the main pledge is to eradicate all avoidable plastic waste in the uk within the next 25 years. although labour joined environmental groups in saying in order to achieve this, supermarkets will be urged

to introduce "plastic—free" aisles, where all the goods are sold loose. taxes will be considered on single—use items, such as takeaway containers. the five pence charge on plastic carrier bags will be extended to all shops in england, notjust the major retailers. and there was also a commitment to use the foreign aid budget to help developing nations tackle pollution and reduce plastic waste. here's some of what theresa may had to say this morning. in the uk will demonstrate global leadership. we must reduce the demand for plastic, reduce the numberof demand for plastic, reduce the number of plastics in circulation and improve recycling rates. we will ta ke and improve recycling rates. we will take action at every stage of the production and consumption of plastic. as it is produced the will encourage manufacturers to take

responsibility for the impact of their products and rationalise the numbers of different types of plastic they use. earlier today the scottish government said it would ban the sale and manufacture of plastic—stemmed cotton buds. it's another aspect of a groundswell of policy changes to tackle the issue. we've been to south london to hear the public‘s view on the plastic problem. you go into a supermarket and you see how much wrapping is put and produce. it is ridiculous and that's the one thing that has happened, it's made me stop using large supermarkets. they should do something about it but i'm not sure these plastic bags are going to work, we need something bigger. straws are the worst and the kids use steroids. it is so easy to use a ha rd use steroids. it is so easy to use a hard strop rather than one you chuck away. well, it's pictures like these, on the bbc‘s blue planet 2,

that have helped raise the profile of the issue. here's a clip from the series which illustrates the impact plastic can have on wildlife. we have some plastic that this project has had to bring up, a plastic bag. here we have some food packaging, looks like christ. luckily for this check he has managed to get it out of his stomach. —— looks like rice. managed to get it out of his stomach. -- looks like rice. let's discuss this whole issue and the challenges of a plastic band. we have heard of the worldwide protection fund. thank you for being with us. total was about the damage

that plastics like those we have been seeing can do to the. you have just seen from blue plan, there something like 8 million tonnes of every year and they have significant effects on birds and whales and dolphins. they can directly kill the animals and sometimes it stops them from feeding so they can have significant impact and you early as what you dead zones. there can be significant plastic pollution and run—off from agriculture so it is a really serious impact. we do seem to have been increasingly addicted to plastic. why is that, what happened to? i guess it is very convenient if you look at plastic as an actual material, it is long—lasting and durable. it creates long—lasting preservatives. it is flexible and i

guess it isjust preservatives. it is flexible and i guess it is just practical and initially it was used because it was developed as a cheap alternative to some of the other products you might use of you look at wood and glass, so there are a number of reasons. but in years gone by, we were not so addicted. if we got some vegetables, they just came addicted. if we got some vegetables, theyjust came in maybe a paper bag only put them into our own carrier bag, but now you see four apples in their own plastic container.m bag, but now you see four apples in their own plastic container. it has become widespread and i guess maybe it isa become widespread and i guess maybe it is a part of fashion and people just want something that is quick and convenient without thinking. i wasn't around in the 1950s and 60s but i understand it was a big push when plastics came up, a technology push to promote it so maybe it became so ingrained that people find it difficult to do without it. what's been announced today, some

people have criticised it as far to long term, is that your view are you happy with what has been announced? we welcome the announcement but it isafair we welcome the announcement but it is a fair point that we can have this until 2042, we need the government to set out plans that is going to push through to deal with the plastics issue. one of the early as the prime minister didn't specifically as though it might mention was the retirement scheme for bottles so in some countries you can buy the bottled drink and bring it back and get the deposit back and it back and get the deposit back and it is an incentive to get it into the recycling system. we understand the recycling system. we understand the government will look at that but the government will look at that but the prime minister was not particularly definite about that so we will be looking for specifics and how they're going to move more urgency. do you think we just got lazy? for example plastic bottles, we just buy a bottle of water and

throw away the empty bottle? we just buy a bottle of water and throw away the empty bottle ?|j we just buy a bottle of water and throw away the empty bottle? i think people end up being lazy but it is a consumer habit that has been built in. it is available so you take it. it is something whether you are a consumer or in the industry, you have a role to play. the plastics industry is taking steps because it is only the public interest. is it really taking steps because it is not really in the plastic industry's interests for massive reductions?m is an interesting point and i think the plastics industry was aware of this environmental concern and was taking steps to introduce the recycling of plastic, they have taken a role in that, so it is any number of bottles that are in circulation today. i know they are taking steps but i guess it is very difficult to make a change overnight. is it partly about our

own attitude, maybe we just wait for government to tell us what we should do but perhaps we should just do this ourselves and not by food in plastic packaging, not do more recycling as well, which people are again pretty lazy about?” recycling as well, which people are again pretty lazy about? i think people do a lot proactively and we are much better that things like recycling even before the single use bag charge you would see people taking their own bikes. sometimes but not that often. it helps to have the legislation and the more clear signals through things like the bag charge, so that is why we do need legislation and we need the government to be looking seriously at the kind of things we do that would make things easier for people. people want to do what is right but they also want to do what is easy and if you make things