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and writer adam raphael. welcome to you all. the iran nuclear deal survives, at least for a few more months. president trump has declared he will extend sanctions relief for iranjust once more, giving european countries what he called ‘a last chance‘ to fix ‘terrible flaws‘ in the 2015 deal. for example, the white house wants signatories to agree permanent restrictions on iran's uranium enrichment — currently they expire in a sunset clause in 2025. and the administration has announced 1a new targeted sanctions against individuals and entities. amir, all other signatories say this deal is working, ...so so what does this stance from president trump mean, do you think? years trying to link the deal to two other issues, one being the missile
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programme, which is mentioned in the united nations resolution but not in the deal. don't forget that the deal is just the deal. don't forget that the deal isjust a verbal deal, the deal. don't forget that the deal is just a verbal deal, nobody signed it. nobody is really legally committed to it. it is just a political move. the second thing is, he wants to leak it —— link it to human rights, which is why the iranian chief justice has human rights, which is why the iranian chiefjustice has been sanctioned under the new decision by president trump. he has made some headway with president macron of france, who has also mentioned these two issues will stop the idea is to force iran continue negotiations for a new package so that the nuclear issueis a new package so that the nuclear issue is not treated in isolation. the idea is that you cannot have a regime behaving differently, to be nice on the nuclear issue but bad on the missile issue and the human rights issue, holding 36 western
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hostages, for example, without charging most of them. there is a package of problem, and i think if trump succeeds, it would need a run to solve all of that problem. it is a country with a lot of problems with the outside world, and it is wise to tackle all of them together. jeffrey, is president trump saying this because of all the factors that amir is highlighting? or is it also a visceral reaction to a deal that was signed under president obama?m is clear that it is the latter. these are complex issues that take a lot of study. we know he is not a man who likes to study. these are gut reaction. it is, they are bad, obama like them, therefore i don't. there is no chess, this is checkers.
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there is no chess, this is checkers. the people around him agree that this is one foreign policy area where they seem united. there is a consensus where they seem united. there is a consensus that iran has got away with a lot, that there has been kowtowing to them to try to accommodate, and i think there is a sense that iran needs to be held to account, which is why there is some support for this. the complexity of this, and when you add in the demonstrations we have seen in a run in the last months or weeks, that come in conservative areas, they add a layer of complexity that makes it more difficult to navigate this. when iran says it will respond forcefully to any attempts to get it to negotiate something new, what does that mean? what is your take? it doesn't mean anything, it's just bragging and sabre rattling, because iran is really in a very weak position at the moment. the trick that the americans are playing, and
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let's now do a bit of trump bashing. i don't think trump understands the situation. but the american administration is making a comeback, regardless of trump. grip it is a little too soft. the fact is, he was america acting unilaterally. all the european powers are horrified by what is going on. —— european powers are horrified by what is going on. -- it is a little too soft. you cannot hope to be the leader of the western world if you behave in the way that america is doing. outside the missile deal and what have you, there is the whole situation in the middle east. of course, i can understand why europeans and americans are worried by iran's role in syria, in yemen. there was a whole series, but the way to approach it is surely not in the sort of incredibly blunt, aggressive way, ignoring all his allies. i'm a little worried by your
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soft approach to trump here.|j allies. i'm a little worried by your soft approach to trump here. i don't wa nt to soft approach to trump here. i don't want to participate in trump bashing. i don't care about trump. what i am saying is that he has not acted unilaterally. he has renewed the suspension of sanctions. so far, he hasn't done anything. he has given 120 days. he is free to suggest, and he is suggesting, let's bring a package of issues we have with iran, and instead of parking them on one side because we want to fudge the issue, let's face them. it is good for iran, too, because iran has not benefited from this deal at all, contrary to what people think. with his 120 day deadline, what do the european signatories do now? what is their response? they think there is no better alternative to this agreement that was so long in
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the making, in the preparing. if trump and the american administration was so authentically genuine about actually making it better, because the issues, as you very well said, are complex, and there are other questions to be debated. it should be done behind closed doors, as it had been done. it isa closed doors, as it had been done. it is a question for diplomacy. the 25 countries that participated, it took about 10—15 years to get to the point with iran that we reached, and then suddenly, there is all this bragging, as you are saying, which is so counter—productive, especially when you are dealing with iran. if we wa nt when you are dealing with iran. if we want to take it further, why not? it is not by behaving... he hasn't done anything. he has given this ultimatum orfour done anything. he has given this ultimatum or four months. because an ultimatum or four months. because an ultimatum is a diplomatic term. it must be done through diplomatic channels. he has said, this may be
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the last time i signed it. that doesn't sound like an ultimatum? you have to have a back—up plan. doesn't sound like an ultimatum? you have to have a back-up plan. now i become the defender of trump! it's not the intention. we want your analysis. i have nothing to do with trump or anything, analysis. i have nothing to do with trump oranything, i analysis. i have nothing to do with trump or anything, i am iranian. analysis. i have nothing to do with trump oranything, lam iranian. he is suggesting that iran is the cause of many problems. we don't deny that! to that point, then... what could change inside iran? as i said, macron has agreed. the british at the moment our row because they are obsessed with brexit. the italians have no government, nor do the germans. so, he is saying, let's bring in run to the negotiating table. about the middle east, the
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intervention in other arab countries, support for terrorism, holding western hostages. all these things, and it would be good for iran, too. once the underbrush is cleared, then they can really lift sanctions on iran. they haven't lifted sanctions on iran. the iranian embassy in london cannot opena bank iranian embassy in london cannot open a bank account in london. it is forced to pay its staff in cash. did you realise that? this is what trump is saying. you say you don't like it, trump is crazy, he is a sexual predator or whatever. .. it, trump is crazy, he is a sexual predator or whatever. . . that it, trump is crazy, he is a sexual predator or whatever... that is not what we're here to discuss. will it help ordinary people in iran? we talked a lot about the protests, a lot of it to do with the economy, several thousand people still imprisoned, perhaps more. to your point, what could what could benefit the very young population, all those people who don't have a job, those
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fundamentals of life, how could that change? the problem with iran is that you have two countries. it is iran isa that you have two countries. it is iran is a revolution, and iran as a nation state. one day, iran must decide to become a nation again and not be a vehicle for exporting revolution. in that case, iran has fio revolution. in that case, iran has no problem with anybody. it is the only country in the middle east with defined borders, the only one. the only country in the middle east that has not been at war with anybody for 400 years, apart from the iraqi invasion. we have no problem with anybody. the problem we have is because we want to make the rest of the middle east... we don't share a border or compete over markets or access to raw materials. we have 2
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million iranians living in the united states. we always had good relations with them, but we have become the number one enemy of the united states because of the revolutionary side of us. israel have been our friends for ever, since we freed the jews, and now we have become enemies of israel. i never heard anybody say anything bad about jews never heard anybody say anything bad aboutjews in iran, and there is no anti—semitism in iran, and now we become the most anti—israeli. this doesn't represent a run. if it can't come back as a nation, with its culture, history, resources, its 80 million population, it would be a fantastic thing for everybody. there will be an enormous twitter debate about all of this, but we will be coming back in future, for sure.
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there is more to discuss this week, and we must move on. we already mentioned brexit. you can't ignore it this week. two british cabinet ministers who stayed in place after this week's government reshuffle headed to germany midweek to make separate pleas about brexit. the chancellor, philip hammond, and the secretary of state for exiting the eu, david davis, urged their respective audiences to remember the importance of london's financial services sector. they told a german newspaper it makes no sense to put in place unnecessary barriers to trade after britain has left the eu. agnes, britain seems to want a bespoke trade deal, was anyone listening? agnes, they certainly give the sense that britain might want a bespoke deal. do you think anyone in germany was listening this because mike they we re was listening this because mike they were pretty busy in germany this week. i don't know why they chose that particular week to go. and it was supposed to be a three—day charm offensive. that was a hell of a three—day charm offensive, because they ended up telling the german
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newspapers that eu leaders should not want to continue punishing, that they were paranoid and backward looking. they said, remember the financial crisis, and we don't want another one, therefore it behoves all european countries to remain as one in terms of financial services. philip hammond said something new, which is bewildering, but at least it's something new to bring to the brexit debate, saying, actually, it is for europe to make an offer, to tell us what you can bring to the table. it is not necessarily for britain to tell you, europe, what we want. then it is what we call a conversation between deaf and mute people. the german business leaders they met in berlin said, hang on a minute, we don't know what britain wa nts. minute, we don't know what britain wants. one day, it is a norway—
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style agreement, another time it is canada plus, plus, plus, trade agreement with financial services. they would say they did go to germany knowing what they wanted — stability in financial services, one of the things that brings the most money into the uk. it is key to the british economy, but then michel barnier, who is the face and voice of the 27 eu member states, for the moment, he said that the city of london and the banks operating there will lose their passporting writes. that hasn't changed, so now it is a question for the british government and therefore the tory party to come together and decide what they want in order to havejust together and decide what they want in order to have just one line will stop they go to brussels and say, 0k, stop they go to brussels and say, ok, this is the kind of agreement. it isa ok, this is the kind of agreement. it is a total mess, isn't it? the new thing is that we now seem to be willing to pay to secure additional
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rights for our financial services, so we rights for our financial services, so we would have to pay a financial penalty. whether any of this can be sold in the british parliament or to the british people, i have no idea. but it is a fantastic mess. what is interesting to me is that, day by day, reality begins to intrude into these negotiations. so, the french are only too keen to take over our financial services. i can see mr macron rubbing his hands at this very moment. the fact is, this country, it's not mad, in my view, never has been and won't be now, and the conservative party, in theory, should represent the interests of business. that is what it has traditionally been about. bad business won't put up with the sort of line that the conservative party now appears to be destined for. i think the party will have to start adjusting, and indeed the parliament and the prime minister, we are going
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to go in for a most fantastic up. i am pessimistic about what is going on. what does that mean, what will they do? will it be business coming back and saying, we need clarity because we can't plan without it? agnes makes a good point because there is no clarity in the government or unity in the conservative party. until they can reach an agreed view, it is impossible to put forward an agreed position. we really are in a mess here, andl position. we really are in a mess here, and i can understand the irritability, and indeed the impatience, of our european partners, former partners, with the british position. and it is caused bya british position. and it is caused by a political crisis within the government. it is so easy to muddle up government. it is so easy to muddle up the conservative party and the nation, but they are to separate things. if you talk to conservatives, they regard them as the same, and that is one of the real problem is that we face.
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somehow, the tory party has got to sort itself out, and it's got to actually begin to realise what it is about and what can unify it. otherwise, we are in a total mess. i am very pessimistic. i sometimes have that pessimism. sometimes, i wonder if this is just the disorganised chaos of the political process. sometimes, when we are in the midst of these kind of storms, you think, my gosh, it is going to hell in a hand basket, but this is often how politics works, and it ta kes often how politics works, and it takes this kind of brinkmanship, uncertainty and bargaining can sometimes lead to a resolution. the concern is that we have just over a year to resolve this. less than that — october, because you have a six—month ratification process. we are talking until october. this autumn. yes. there are two other teams that kaymer. one is that the pound went to its highest level the referendum. it was $1.37. something
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like that. partly in response to apparent statements, or indications, from france and holland... spain, pardon me. that they would be open toa pardon me. that they would be open to a soft brexit, which somehow encouraged the markets here and gave business sense that there may be a way out. then this very unexpected comment from nigel farage, saying, maybe we should have a second referendum, which i think really is extraordinary, the idea that the man who really initiated this whole momentum now wants to go back to the people, potentially, for another one. me thinks it has to do more with him than with brexit, now that his own contact in the white house, steve bannon, has been brushed aside and he has to find a new role in life. there are so many currents now, and it does become incredibly
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difficult to wonder whether this will lead to something stable, or whether we will count these days down and still be talking in this disorganised fashion. down and still be talking in this disorganised fashionlj down and still be talking in this disorganised fashion. i want to pick up disorganised fashion. i want to pick up on something that you were saying about the conservative party. we had about the conservative party. we had a reshuffle this week that was quite extraordinary, and you talk to people at westminster all the time. international viewers who didn't follow it, we had a health secretary who apparently was going to be given anotherjob who apparently was going to be given another job and managed who apparently was going to be given anotherjob and managed to persuade the prime minister not only to stay in thisjob but the prime minister not only to stay in this job but to add another title to it. another cabinet minister who was told she was going somewhere else dug her heels in, spent three hours in downing street and came out on the backbenches instead. what does this tell us about theresa may's authority, how much of it was tied up with brexit? it has been an extraordinary week. shambolic is the only thing you can make of this
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reshuffle. normally it is a time of the utmost prime ministerial power. unfortunately, this one, i don't know, really... she's badly served by some of the people around her. there appears to be no proper preparation for a reshuffle. the idea that somehow... jeremy pied has beena idea that somehow... jeremy pied has been a close colleague of hers for over five years. and for longer than that. she must have known exactly where his position was, or she should have done. the idea that somehow, coal, on the day, he says, i'm digging in, just this total lack of preparation, so you feel that it is unprofessional, but she doesn't have the skills to manage her party, that she is very, very weak indeed, and she is only propped up there because they can't agree between themselves, the tory party at the moment because they have in such crisis, on who should be her successor. i tim jeffery's point that politics often does seem to be a very convoluted, fractional fell,
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and in the end it all resolves itself. we are going through a period of politics in this country which is really unusual, and yes, there may be a resolution at the end of the day, but my goodness, it will be difficult to get to. the view from the consulate of britain is sadness. this reshuffle is shambolic, but it feels as if we should send a rescue mission to downing street. here is a political prisoner who is trapped by her own troops was not send the sas! do something. but it's sad, in the end. we can laugh, but it's sad, because asa we can laugh, but it's sad, because as a result, britain is in a state of paralysis. all right. we can't leave without discussing the enormous offence he has caused with comments made during a bi—partisan oval office meeting about immigration laws. donald trump himself denies using the offensive word beginning with s, though concedes the language
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he used to describe various african countries, and others, was ‘tough'. jeffrey, the un didn't say the language was tough, they said it was racist. jane, are you putting me in a position of using a word on the bbc that... ? entirely your choice! i don't know what the censors think about it. this is the president of the united states. i did not think i would have to repeat this word on airasa would have to repeat this word on air as a journalist. he called these countries the word beginning with s. it is so deeply offensive. whatever you think of the man, it is unthinkable that you can defend that kind of talk from a world leader. i think it is also offensive when you think it is also offensive when you think of the tradition of america, give us your poor, your tired, your
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huddled masses. let's be honest, most of america was settled from countries that were at the time... could have been described with the same word. whether it be the european countries in the 19th century orjust european countries in the 19th century or just after the european countries in the 19th century orjust after the war, ireland in the 19th—century — these countries were, by donald trump's definition, much the same. that is what has built the great country. so it is just what has built the great country. so it isjust mind—numbing to know how to respond. we are used to a year of bellicose language from donald trump, to his extraordinary use of social media in the small hours of morning — should we be surprised or is there something more worrying about it? first of all, trump denies having said that. that precise word. he said he used tough language, but there are multiple people who were in the room. you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. in the room. you have to give him the benefit of the doubtlj in the room. you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. i think not, because a democratic senator was there. so we give the democratic
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senator the benefit of the doubt. those who know american language know that this is s those who know american language know that this is 5 word is part of the routine vocabulary of americans, but when it comes to foreigners, including the portuguese secretary—general of the un, sounds terrible. the french, germans and other countries have certain words. except the president doesn't say that word. it is part of the language of daily life, and american literature is full of capital f words and capital 5 words. literature is full of capital f words and capital s words. he has form in this area, when he described racist in south carolina, saying there was a fault on both sides. he comes with form. i don't want to
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defend trump. it is none of my business. i am saying that we have to put things in context, and i am against ideas that become fashionable. a fashionable idea is to hit trump, so i'm against it. if tomorrow the fashionable idea is... it is not fashion, it is fact. we have the president of the free world. it is absolute indignity personified. i think we should stop talking about him until the american people remove him from power in a peaceful, democratic way. that is their business. it is not fair to dismiss this as fashionable. what he did was to dismiss... he used that word against el salvador, haiti and africa, and said, we need more norwegians. that is, by any definition, a white supremacist agenda of, we need more scandinavian — looking people, fewer of those others. when you reduce this to what
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it really means, that is what he was saying. gentlemen, ladies, we will leave our largely civilised discussion there. nice to see you all again. that's all we have time for this week. do join us again next week — same time, same place. but for now, thank you for watching, and goodbye. hello. the grey and cloudy theme that has been with us for several days now is sticking around through the weekend. there will be glimpses of brightness around here and there. this was sent in from the isle of wight, shoving the extent of the cloud there. we will keep with cloudy conditions, some rain around,
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in the north west in particular, later today. the radar shows that rain working into western parts of the country. the east has been dry and will likely stay dry for much of the day. the reason for the east— west split is because high pressure holds on across scandinavia, keeping things largely dry, and this front is bumping into that area of high pressure from the west. it is not making progress further east. there will be western areas through the afternoon, whereas further east, you are likely to stay dry still cloudy grey, and it is breezy wherever you are. temperatures up to around 5-9dc. are. temperatures up to around 5—9dc. if you're heading to premier league football matches, most places are staying dry. rain in the west, top temperatures seven celsius. this evening and the night, the breeze dies away, and this rain fizzles away towards the west. with a
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combination of lighter winds and clear spells, it could be colder than last night. temperatures are low enough for mist and fog the form on sunday morning, perhaps the odd frosty patch too. a dry day for many parts of the country, lots of cloud but some brighter spells during the afternoon. things will turn wet and windy in the far north—west later in the afternoon. 4—9dc on sunday. things change into the new working week, as we see the blue colour is returning to the mat, much colder conditions moving in through the week. monday, we see that front heading south and east across the country, with a spell of wet and windy weather, followed by clear spells with sunshine and showers. temperatures starting to turn colder from the north—west later ron on monday. a different theme to the weather next week — colder, u nsettled weather next week — colder, unsettled and fairly windy, and watch out for ice and snow. this is bbc news.
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the headlines at 12.00am. the african union demands an apology from president trump for derogatory remarks he reportedly made about the continent. we were quite appalled and infuriated, outraged, by the comments. the lib dems urge the government not to bail out construction company carillion, afterfears it's close to collapse. it currently employs about 20,000 people. it cannot possiblyjust bail out the company because then you have a position where the private sector is allowed to privatise profits but that the government nationalises the losses, that is the problem we have had with the banks. warnings of a tooth decay crisis amongst children in england. a record 43,000 operations to remove rotting teeth were carried out last year. also in the next hour: tributes are paid to bella emberg,
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