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after saturday's false alarm. the us state is told it did not have reasonable safeguards in place. the federal official leading the inquiry into the mistake said the error was "absolutely unacceptable". photographers mario testino and bruce weber have been suspended from working with fashion magazines including vogue, after allegations they sexually exploited male models and assistants. they deny the claims. and this video is trending on bbc.com a passenger plane has skidded off the runway at a turkish airport and plunged down the side of a cliff. all 160 passengers and crew on board were evacuated safely. that's all from me now. stay with bbc world news. now on bbc news it's time for hardtalk. welcome in too hardtalk from new
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york, with me. the city and los angeles are the twin capitals of america's giant movie, media and entertainment is mr. a business that has been rocked by allegations of systemic sexism, misogyny and abusive behaviour. my guest today is ashleyjudd, the actor and activist and one of the first women to go public with her accusations about the mega producer harvey weinstein. what began with voices of anger and pain has become a movement, demanding radical change. how far can it go? ashleyjudd, welcome to hardtalk.
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thank you. in recent weeks and months something quite extraordinary has happened. kickstarted, i suppose, by the allegations concerning harvey weinstein and what we see now is the growth of a real movement of women speaking out. are you satisfied that this has come about or are you deeply frustrated that it has taken so long for this to come about, what is your overriding emotion right now? julie. "joy- overriding emotion right now? julie. —— joy. unmitigated comic electrifying accurate three. i am so happy is here. i have been telling
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the story of a long time from the moment it happened in fact, my particular moments of harassment with harvey weinstein, i am a teller to use the words used at the golden globes, i am a taddler. i was molested when i was 11 years old and the first thing i did was go to a grown up the first thing i did was go to a grown up and said this happened. as so grown up and said this happened. as so many times have been the case, i was told this is an old man, this is not what he meant. at a remained absolute inmate truth in telling this was what has happened and that is why am such a crusader for gender equality and the eradication of gender and sexual —based violence. i experienced it as a youth and in hollywood and has been the core of my work 15 years and now that this movement has collectivised and ca ta lys e movement has collectivised and catalyse and is here, it is incredibly gratifying to me. we
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stick with harvey weinstein for a moment, what happened to you with harvey happened in 1997 but the truth in your story in so many others people stories has only emerged in the last few months. so what happened to the telling that you did at the time? no one could hear me. no one could hear me. and i told the story in great detail to variety magazine two years to the month prior to the publication of the new york times piece and everybody knew that i was talking about harvey, he was named in the comments that were posted on variety‘s website. sometimes people called him by name, sometimes people used loosely disguised names. but you didn't name him in the peace. though i didn't, i was talking with variety in their women in film issue, powerful women in hollywood issue, powerful women in hollywood issue, whatever they call it. the journalist asked the question if i
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had already been harassed. i was like yes, hell yes. everyone in the room was like no. of course ain't telling the story, my dad was with me when it happened i came straight from the hotel to the lobby and told my dad immediately what had happened, including everybody that night with whom i was dawning on kiss the girls, the director, writer and producer. all of whom over the yea rs have and producer. all of whom over the years have discussed it in an ongoing way with me and it is just that now the world could hear. the pattern is clear from so many of the different stories, he often operating out of a hotel room, him summoning a female actor to his room and appearing in the bath robe and demanding different tax clearly of a sexual nature. you fled when that pretty much happened to you. were you then, for a long time, frightened of harvey weinstein?”
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was not frightened of harvey weinstein and i think that is why he blackballed me. ithink weinstein and i think that is why he blackballed me. i think that is why he blacklisted me and unfortunately did such a successfuljob sabotaging my career as he continued to harass me between 1997 and 1999 and i have other examples and i haven't torn into detail because i don't want to give it oxygen. you know what i have to do, i have to say that he continues to absolutely deny in any of the cases that have been discussed in the last few that he ever acted in a way that was not consensual when it came to sexual activity. right, he also hasn't denied that he harassed me and in fa ct denied that he harassed me and in fact he has apologise for it. my particular example he said, a direct quote, he didn't lay a glove on me. he didn't because as you noticed i was able to escape from the room, he harassed me, abused his power and he lorded it over me, this imbalance
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between us. with vitriol and abuse of charm for two years and then all of charm for two years and then all ofa of charm for two years and then all of a sudden... you continue to see him?i of a sudden... you continue to see him? i bumped into him at the hotel, at different events and he was a lwa ys at different events and he was always like wink wink, i will find a great part to you. at double jeopardy in 19991 reached the point where i could not go further. arbour walters was to my right and i thought unconsciously having a powerful woman next to me helped inflame my own audacious courage because i started to go at him. i literally started to go at him and was getting ready to call him out in front of whoever happened to hear to be within the distance, whatever i am trying to say. he knew it and he said you know, i'm going to let you out that little deal we made. said, you do that harvey. you did that. he
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never bothered me again but of course he blacklisted me which peter jackson and fran walsh had confirmed. he said you and another actress were difficult were difficult and you shouldn't be touched because you were too demanding and too difficult and peterjackson has since said i to that information and i wish i hadn't. does it leave you feeling that your career has, in a substantial way, been ruined ? that your career has, in a substantialway, been ruined? —— ruined by this man? not ruined, but definitely impacted. i deeply appreciate peter and fran‘s apology and that they wrote me a very detailed letter with an absolute blow by blow timeline of what happened and what was said and how it was confusing for them because this notion that i was difficult to match their experience of me personally. it really, it is in a
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way it a relief because it explains what previously had been inexplicable, why i was always, at the time i was was the highest paid e—mail actor in hollywood —— female actor. then when i was on that shortlist, julia roberts, sandro bullock and me and a couple of other people. without explanation it will come down to it that i wouldn't get the offer and i didn't know why. miramax have denied that they put out a bike with or blackballed individuals including yourself. there are a lot of contradictions in there and other people have since come forward and said yes, that is what we heard, we had a feeling it wasn't true. the good news is i have such a robust life and i have a great curiosity about the world and ina way great curiosity about the world and in a way that led me to the humanitarian work that i have been doing so passionately for all of these years since. i have been to 18
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countries around the world, in particular i visited congo and rwanda many times and i visited india, the wars and in ukraine and jordan recently and on my way to bangladesh and shrunk, to use an expression used in texas, i have made a hand. a good handful myself. ina made a hand. a good handful myself. in a sense you are saying it certainly modified the trajectory of your life. it did, yes. it did. let's talk about the somewhat bigger picture because this is part of something much bigger. in a fascinating head talk that you delivered last year, you talked of sexism, misogyny, of viable, violent abuse that you had been getting online. —— macro true. —— capri. this is nothing to do with the specifics of the harvey weinstein cake, this is about some twitter comments you had put up at a
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basketball game. yes, that was an ovarian moment, where i thought i had to up my game. i was at a kentucky basketball game, that is my team, celtic is my team. i didn't like a piece of refereeing at and i said something about it in my tweet and all ofa said something about it in my tweet and all of a sudden it went viral and all of a sudden it went viral and it was caught a cyber mob and suddenly it was rape threats and decapitation threats and just all kinds of extraordinarily misogynistic, it was hate speech. it was hate speech and i decided to write about it. what about your attitudes to date about men. —— today. rate as a girl, suffered at the hands of people like harvey weinstein. what is your feelings today of our relations between men and women are. —— at three.|j today of our relations between men and women are. -- at three. i could have cut you off at the beginning
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and saidi have cut you off at the beginning and said i love men. i love men. i love noise and men. the problem is toxic masculinity and the patriarchy of the system that we live in, including me. ithink of the system that we live in, including me. i think that the patriarchy is as constraining and limiting to boys and men as it is to girls and women are. you all might not see it that way because when one is entitled and has privilege and seems to have a status that affords different kinds of power and licences, that that actually is as limiting and unfulfilling to boys and men as it is to girls and women are. the metoo campaign that has arisen this focus on hollywood and misogyny and sexism began, the metoo campaign according to some women has gone too far. if i quote you one
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american writer and journalist, she says that mass stereo has set in and become a classic moral parrot down like —— neck, which can be as damaging to women as tremendous of the kingussie where she is coming from? i think there is always room for critique and that we can be spacious enough in our perspective to hold paradox and dissent. there may be summoned to learn from that and she maybe also, in my opinion, simply have missed the point. and... one of the points is about the inflation about different kinds of behaviours of. this alleged banality of harvey weinstein and then there is what other women writers have called the presumptuous nurse and boorishness that women have seen in men and dealt with men for time immemorial. is there a danger of completing different behaviours and criminalising some behaviours which,
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while many regard them as unacceptable, are not criminal? think it is fantastic to have the conversation and starting to articulate and identify and really, have a gradient of behaviours and understand that there is a spectrum of de gea. that is so important. u nless we of de gea. that is so important. unless we talk about this and he's each part of it out we can't understand what is unacceptable and what is and we also need the lexicon for describing the behaviour. yesterday i switched my tv on and there was use of another act, james franco, who has been the subject of a number of different accusations from women, mostly online. james franco's response is look, hague, i didn't do the things that i am accused of if i did in the past behaved badly then i am going to work my very hardest to put things right. —— hey. iwonder now
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work my very hardest to put things right. —— hey. i wonder now about the atmosphere that you see in your industry and in entertainment and other industries too where, it seems that some men feel that they are, in a sense, being presumed guilty. without due process. i think that what james i think that whatjames said is terrific, and i think that we have all behaved at a certain level unconsciously, and done things that we re unconsciously, and done things that were insensitive, inappropriate, without necessarily understanding that they were. i mean, we've all are paraded with a certain amount of tone deafness, and i like the culpability, and we have to have restorative justice. this culpability, and we have to have restorativejustice. this is about men and women being altogether, and having a more equitable and just workplace, home life, social spaces. imean, we workplace, home life, social spaces. i mean, we know that when women are empowered in the work place, and are in decision—making positions, that
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workplaces have better financial outcomes. and there is less harassment when there is more diversity. and it takes that kind of individual accountability to collectively make a change, on a large scale. this is political, though, isn't it, for you? absolutely. you have become legal in that you are a goodwill ambassador for the population fund at united nations. you travel the world, as you said, often addressing women's groups and talking to women and girls about the need for them to be pa rt girls about the need for them to be part of a campaign to deliver better lives across the world for females. look at the united states. how much work does there need to be in the united states on these issues?‘ ton, a ton. ourteen united states on these issues?‘ ton, a ton. our teen pregnancy is skyrocketing. we have some of the highest teen pregnancy in the developed world. you know, we don't have paid family leave, except that individual companies who have had the courage to lead internally. and
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iam very the courage to lead internally. and i am very aware that we have great strides to be made here. i mean, there are 49 countries in the world that don't have laws prohibiting intimate partner and domestic violence, and while we do have laws against it, they too need to be more evenly enforced. and are restraining orders are in some instances quite ineffective, and grant the abuser all kinds of freedom of movement that constrain the victim to certain hours and safe zones. well, it was very striking at the golden globes the other day, you and many other leading actors were dressed in black, and many of you invited as your guest activists from different spheres across the united states, representing all sorts of different ethnic and working groups of women. and i know that the #metoo campaign said that one of its absolute driving forces was the correspondence it had had with
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700,000 female farmworkers whom it was determined to draw into this campaignfor was determined to draw into this campaign for equality, equal pay, women's rights. do you think, in all honesty, that you and other movie stars, and very famous women, are best placed to be relatable, and to deliver real change, for people like the female farmworkers of america?” believe we are best placed to clean up believe we are best placed to clean up our believe we are best placed to clean up our own believe we are best placed to clean up our own industry, and we are doing that. you know, we are writing codes of conduct across unions and oui’ codes of conduct across unions and our business so that, for example, business meetings can no longer take place in hotel rooms. and we are working for equal representation both behind the camera and in front of the camera. we are working towards equal pay. you have miles to go on all of that. we have miles to 90, go on all of that. we have miles to go, andi go on all of that. we have miles to go, and i am so glad that the story about the disparity in pay between the great michelle williams who has been nominated for two oscars and mark warburg has come out. because i knew those facts myself, and it
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wasn't my story to tell. and it is so egregious, i am grateful it has become public. are we the most reliable, are we the most well—placed? reliable, are we the most well—placed ? i reliable, are we the most well—placed? i don't know. they reached out to us and our collective and individual empathy and understanding is absolutely with them. you know, we responded to their identification with us, because, you know, it doesn't... whether it is the server who gets her bum pinched or the factory worker who is harassed by the line boss, or the female janitor who is trapped in a building after hours with men who threaten her, we experience it in the brain stem the same way. any kind of threat is a physiological experience, and it doesn't matter what the pay is or what the setting is. men and women experience it the same, and that's really what we are addressing. trump and his supporters do tend to
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portray people in your business as out of touch elites, liberals who know nothing, frankly, of the lives of white, working class americans in middle america. do you think that fault line could be dangerous, if it develops further? i am from eastern kentucky. and my people have been there for ten generations, and i grew up around the coal mines. i live in rural middle tennessee, surrounded by folks who voted for our current president. i think that iam our current president. i think that i am uniquely positioned as an american to understand all kinds of people from all backgrounds and all classes, and all levels of achievement. well, let'sjust continue the politics conversation a little further. you... it is reported, seriously considered running for the senate and i think
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2013, 20 12- running for the senate and i think 2013, 2012- 2013. do you still running for the senate and i think 2013, 2012— 2013. do you still feel they might be a political career for you? i want to be useful. you know, i want to be useful to my fellows, and to the god of my understanding, and to the god of my understanding, andi and to the god of my understanding, and i like to think i am willing to do whatever it takes to be useful. it seems right now i am in the right space, and i wouldn't rule it out, and it is not a cory answer. ijust don't know. i was very serious at the time, and then a young person with a —— and my family came to live with a —— and my family came to live with me —— coy. i was given an opportunity to help finish raising a 16—year—old child, and that is why i chose not to run, and i am very content with that decision. i think mitch mcconnell needs to be unseated, i am really hoping a democrat can win the seat that has been vacated by bob corker. i am supporting a candidate in marcia's seat, as he has been held hostage
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for so many years. but right now i am nota for so many years. but right now i am not a candidate. and would you back oprah winfrey, for example? much talk post golden globes of her being possible presidential material if she wanted, if she has ambition? if she... you know, she is clearly a genuinely exceptional human being, and she has a capacity to bring people together which is maybe the single greatest balm and healing glue that our nation is right now. what i really heard, and what she said the other night, and i was mere feet away from her, was one person can spark change that then inflames a second person, who may go on to do something that changes the whole world. lets them by returning to your own industry, and yourfuture in it. -- your own industry, and yourfuture in it. —— let's end. having experienced what you experienced, do you want a future in a?”
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experienced what you experienced, do you want a future in a? i do, i love acting and i love being creative. and it has given the opportunities to work with the unfpa, and working with organisations around the world that help ring reproductive health and access to millions of women who don't have it, and of course that is the key to eradicating poverty. and i love being creative. yes, but you have said it yourself. you work in an industry where i think of the top 100 grossing movies of 2016, only 6% we re 100 grossing movies of 2016, only 6% were made by women. women are still, compared to men, underpaid in all the different aspects of your industry. and of those 696, only four we re industry. and of those 696, only four were women of colour. but some are hayek and i have enjoyed a precious friendship or 20 something years. i now have that kind of french ship with women i have admired on the screen for years. the way we have come together is something terrifying to the industry. for now on “— terrifying to the industry. for now on —— from now on, will you only
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ta ke on —— from now on, will you only takejobs where on —— from now on, will you only take jobs where you know you are paid equally with the male lead, whether it be in a movie, whether it be the theatre production? are you going to be different in way that you handle your career in future? going to be different in way that you handle your career in future7m isa you handle your career in future7m is a great question, and the answer is a great question, and the answer is yes. in addition to asking for 50% male female participation below the line, which means all the crew members, including equal representation of men and women as department heads. because it is behind the camera where we start telling the story that the story emerges on film. so this is a movement which can change your business, and maybe change america. iaman business, and maybe change america. i am an optimist. i believe that we are at... you know, it is a great time to be alive, and it is a great time to be alive, and it is a great time to be alive, and it is a great time to be a woman. and revolutions are messy, and they are not linear. and we don't have the playbook for this, and that's all right. what matters is that we keep our nose to
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the grindstone, and we do it. we have a singleness of purpose, worse than men, girls and women, are equally valuable. and all of our spaces need to reflect that. we have to end there. at ashleyjudd, thank you so much for being on hardtalk. thank you very much, i really appreciate it. hello. after a fairly quiet spell of weather, there is a lot of weather coming our way over the next few days. it starts with wet and windy fare, and then we really get into the week, which will be much colder. there'll be some snow in the forecast, and it'll be a good deal windier than was the past week. as i say, it starts off on a wet and windy note. nowhere more so than if you happen to be close to this weather front, as it starts the day across the south—eastern quarter
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of the british isles, gradually easing its wayjust a little bit further towards the south and east. but, just in time for the school run and the commute, there is a lot of wet and windy weather to be had, all the way from sort of lincolnshire and east anglia, down through the south and east midlands, down into the south—east itself, parts of the west country. and, even once the persistent rain has gone, there is a great raft of showers following behind. some of these quite heavy, prolonged, and they may well be thundery, as well. further north, away from that front, there is a chance of seeing a little bit of sunshine. but there is also quite a chance, as you see, of quite a bit of shower activity, and increasingly through the day, as cold air begins to tuck in, so i think we'll find the showers turning a bit more wintry across northern and western parts of scotland. it takes until the early afternoon before we see the last of that wet and windy weather getting away from the far south—east. then the brighter skies follow on. things don't turn wintry immediately across the southern half of the british isles, because the temperatures are still around nine or 10 degrees.
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but through the evening and overnight, so colder weather begins to really tuck in across the top two thirds of the british isles, and eventually, over the next few days, all of us get into that much colder regime, exacerbated by the strength of the westerly wind. so here we are on tuesday. and you notice here, certainly across the northern half of britain, and increasingly down through the high ground of wales, maybe into the moors of the south—west, there is a wintry flavour to the showers. and the snow totals begin to mount up across the pennines, the high ground of scotland and northern ireland. and, giving the strength of the wind, that is how cold it will feel across all parts of the british isles by that stage. and there really is no change, as i take you on into wednesday, and then there is a change. not sure exactly where this low is going to go, but certainly on its northern flank, there will be a spell of more prolonged wintry weather. there will be significant snow, and some pretty strong winds, as well. once that centre pulls away, and as i say, you have to bear with us, because we're not exactly sure where that centre is going to be, those north—westerlies will be strong in their own right.
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and then, once that system is away, we're back to where we pretty much started, with wintry showers, especially across northern and western parts of the british isles. this is newsday on the bbc. i'm rico hizon in singapore. the headlines: hawaii is told to fix its missile alert system after saturday's false alarm. us authorities say the error was "absolutely unacceptable. " two leading fashion photographers are suspended from vogue and other magazines, over allegations they sexually exploited young male models. also on the programme: a senior diplomat advising on myanmar‘s rakhine state tells the bbc that aung san suu kyi must do more to speak out against hate. she and all the members of the government should make an effort to say whenever it is possible and relevant, perhaps on a daily basis, that this has to change,
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