our top story today. one of britain's biggest construction companies, carillion, has been placed into liquidation this morning, threatening thousands of jobs. the move came after discussions between carillion, its lenders and the government failed to reach a deal to save the company. we'll hear from some of those affected throughout the programme. also on the programme... the uk still has one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancies in europe, despite it halving in the last eight years. and now, for the first time in almost a decade, councils are going to get government guidance on how to reduce the number still further. ifeel like being a parent's probably one of the loneliest places i've been. and you lose a lot of your friends. they don't want to focus on this little baby. they want to go out, do their own thing. and ifeel like it's probably one of the loneliest places. but no—one prepares you for that. we'll hear from teen mums. plus, calls for the government to drop its target of reducing immigration to below 100,000, with mps saying instead, the government should focus on building consensus amongst the public. but how easy is that? immigration has been hugely imported the uk economy. we do need some controls, but i think any policy

should have compassion at its heart. i believe immigration has had a positive impact and i believe we can create a fair and transparent system together that can meet the needs of out together that can meet the needs of our economy. together that can meet the needs of our economy. immigration has been positive for the uk but we need a point basis for the whole of the world. much more from them after 09:00. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. throughout the programme, the latest breaking news and developing stories. at half ten, the scottish government will warn about the financial costs of brexit. we'll bring it to you live. also, we want to hear from you this morning if you, like henry bolton, have dumped your girlfriend or boyfriend for their views. tell me what happened. send me an email. use the hashtag victoria live. virgin trains is reversing its

decision to ban sales of the daily mail on its west coast services. sir richard branson says he and richard souter had asked managers to reconsider, saying tolerance of different views as part of a free society. your views are welcome. and if you were watching at the bbc new channel, apologies for the gap at the beginning, no idea what happened! —— news channel. our top story today... one of britain's biggest construction firms, and a main contractor on government building projects, carillion, has been put into liquidation. 20,000 workers are now facing an uncertain future. the company is involved in major projects such as h52 and crossrail, but has debts of £900 million. questions are being asked about why the government continued to give business to carillion, even after it issued profit warnings. our business editor, simon jack, is here. what has gone wrong with this company? contracting is a risky

business. you have a lot of contracts and sometimes the overrun. this company but its revenue as if these contracts would go swimmingly. so they said, that money is as good as in the bank. but with several contracts, things went wrong, big cost overruns and a lot of dead, owing banks more than £900 million. so the bank said, we don't want to lend you more money, it needed money. the bank said, unless we get a good and guarantee for that money, we're not throwing good money after bad and they pulled the plug. the guidance says, we can't probably is company, it is a private company, we cannot use tax payers money. this is complicated because carillion is not just a building company, it supplies key public services. prisons, schools, hospital contract. what the government has said today is, if you area government has said today is, if you are a carillion employee, go to work great you will be paid. the government will stand behind the wages of those public service workers. for how long? untilan

alternative contractor is found, it could be weeks or months. this is not new government money, this is what they would have given the carillion to give to them, but they will give it directly to them. which ignites the debate, should you outsource this stuff at all? that is what the labour party position is. the transport secretary last summer awarded carillion part of contracts to build hs2. it week after the company issued a profits warning and the chief executive department for —— and the chief executive departed. a lot of eyebrows were raised at the time. what chris grayling, transport secretary at the time, will say is, we co nstru ct secretary at the time, will say is, we construct these deals on such a way there were three pogba so if one went bust, the other two could take over. “— went bust, the other two could take over. —— three partners. and there was an amount of pigment trying to help the carillion because plenty tell me if carillion had not got

those contracts, it would have been curtains for them. thank you very much. mick lynch is the lead negotiator with carillion for the rmt rail union. hello. your reaction first of all that the company has gone into liquidation. a terrible day for our members. we have to secure that our members. we have to secure that our members get paid this month. we have heard the fuel cards carillion issue for the fans have not been honoured some members are trying to get to work in carillion vehicles that cannot get fuel. the company is incomplete crisis. you need network rail to secure the work. and secure the future of our members and their pensions and their pay. it is a crisis of the making of carillion and some of the director should be accountable. does it reassure you that the government has said they will step in and pay the wages are sure you? nothing assures me that chris grayling has done because his

judgment is faulty. we need network railand judgment is faulty. we need network rail and the others, heathrow express , rail and the others, heathrow express, to step in now and assure the staff they will be paid. they are the clouds, it is work on their property and their facilities. they can take these people in house this week and give them a secure future and ensure that work continues. you said the director should be accountable, they were paying dividends to shareholders last year, what you mean by accountable, what should happen? massive dividends and bonuses year—on—year and they have not taken prudence in putting money into the pension schemes. £600 billion which could go up to 800, 900 billion. no legislation means these people have to put a priority pensioners and people's features. it isa pensioners and people's features. it is a scandal that these people could just walk away from the wreckage of this company while ordinary working people will be scrabbling around for work with no idea what the future brings for their pensions and their families. it is disgusting, frankly.

the callousness of these directors and modern capitalism is an outrage. thank you very much. michael lynch, from the rmt rail union. this message says, the government and has a lot to answer for by giving contracts a lot to answer for by giving co ntra cts to a lot to answer for by giving contracts to a volatile company. various government departments were aware carillion was struggling when they gave them the hs2 and hospital contracts. more on that wrote the programme. if you work for carillion, do get in touch. annita is in the bbc newsroom, with a summary of the rest of the day's news. thank you, victoria. good morning. ukip leader henry bolton says he won't be resigning, despite the controversy over racist remarks made by his girlfriend jo marney, but has told the bbc he is no longer romantically involved with her. ms marney had been criticised over a series of text messages she had made about about prince harry's fiancee, meghan markle. ms marney has apologised for the comments, but has insisted they were taken out of context. mr bolton has faced calls from within ukip to leave

"quickly" and "quietly". but he told the bbc this morning that his leadership was needed to hold the government to account on brexit. we have together made the decision that the romantic element of our relationship should end. she is utterly distraught. close to breakdown over all of this. she never intended these comments to ever be made public. they were made some time ago. and indeed, although utterly indefensible, there is some context to them which, in time, will be revealed. but the fact is that i am going to be supporting herfamily and supporting her in rebuilding her life, going forward. henry bolton. the palestinian president, mahmoud abbas, has said he will not accept any middle east peace plane brokered by the us, following donald trump's move to recognise jerusalem

as israel's capital. in a speech, mr abbas described the move as the "slap of the century" for palestinians. president trump has threatened to cut aid if the palestinians reject peace talks. president trump has publicly denied being a racist, as a row continues over offensive language he allegedly used to describe african, central american and caribbean countries. the comments were reported to have been made during a meeting with us senators on immigration at the white house. in his first direct response to accusations of racism, donald trump told reporters he had not made the comments. police in east yorkshire believe they've found the body of a man, suspected of using a crossbow to kill his neighbour. officers in humberside began searching for 56—year—old anthony lawrennce, following the death of shane gilmer on friday. his pregnant girlfriend,

laura sugden, was also seriously wounded in the attack. the government is being urged to drop its target of reducing net migration to the "tens of thousands", because mps warn it "undermines" trust in the state's ability to control immigration. a report from the home affairs committee also warns that anxiety over the number of people living in the uk illegally has been allowed to grow "unchecked" because of a lack of official data on the scale of the problem. dozens of people have been injured follwing the collapse of a mezzanine floor at the jakarta stock exchange building. the area was evacuated and cordoned off by police and a number of people were seen on stretchers being carried from the building. the american comedian and actor aziz ansari has responded to an accusation of sexual assault by saying he had believed the encounter to be "completely consensual". babe magazine published a detailed account over the weekend from a 23—year—old woman

she said she felt victimised after a date with aziz ansari. she said it had taken her a long time to validate this as a sexual assault. mps are calling for more evidence about women's experiences of sexual harassment in public places, to try to find out what can be done to tackle the issue. research by yougov suggests 85% of women between 18 and 2a years old have experienced unwanted sexual attention in public. parliament's women and equalities committee says it wants to understand why it happens and establish what can be done to combat the problem. meanwhile, the french actress catherine deneuve has apologised to victims of sexual assault who were offended by a letter she signed, which criticised the ‘metoo' campaign against harassment. she was among 100 women who put their names to the letter, which defended the right of men to made advances towards women. ms deneuve said she stood by the letter, but did not want to cause any distress to those who had suffered abuse. caroline says that this harassment

has gone beyond normality. 0ur sons will be afraid to approach a girl and our daughters will never receive and our daughters will never receive a compliment from a male. and on the ukip leader henry bolton separating from his girlfriend because of her views, this says, he dumped her to save his career, not because of her views. if she can express and friend, does she —— does he expect us friend, does she —— does he expect us to believe the topic of race never came up for as us to believe the topic of race never came up for as long as the happy ever after lasted ? this never came up for as long as the happy ever after lasted? this says, i'm sure he knew her views, he dumped her because he was —— she was caught expressing them. but henry bolton said this morning that conversation had never come up. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport with hugh —

and some sad news to begin with, we've heard this morning that cyrille regis has passed away. he was a real pioneer, wasn't he? devastating news, the death of cyrille regis at the age of 59, personally devastating news because asa personally devastating news because as a young black football ban, it was clear in my household that cyrille regis and the late laurie cunningham paved the way for the careers of so many black players in this country due to their successful period in the late 1970s. their goal of the season in 1982, west bromwich finishing third in the top flight. the trio. the trio enjoyed racist abuse from the terraces but 112 goals in his time at the hawthorns which helped regis to become a hero at the club and he earned a number of england caps before moving to coventry in 1984 where he won an fa cup cup, receiving an mbe from the queen in 2008 for services to the

volu nta ry queen in 2008 for services to the voluntary sector and football. he will be sorely missed in football in this country and already a number of players coming out, like the former inland captain rio ferdinand is to pay tribute to him. and many people calling him a pioneer and just how he paved the way for so many black players in this country. let's talk about ryan giggs — it looks as though he's going to be the new manager of wales. he doesn't have much experience at that level, does he? no, victoria, and it is a talented wales team, they reached the semifinals in euro 2017. gareth bale and ashley williams in the squad, hugely influential. since chris coleman left the job and things did not go his way in the world cup qualifying, they missed out on the tournament this summer, this is seen asa tournament this summer, this is seen as a key appointment for wales. we expect rain gigs to be named as the new manager today to take charge of what has been dubbed their golden generation of players, but it will be seen as a risk by some. giggs

does not have that much experience. he has not managed at a club other than a handful of matches after david moyes was sacked at manchester united in 2014. the fa of wales do see him as their preferred option. he is expected to sign a four—year deal later and the emphasis will be on them qualifying for euro 2020 so a big job on the hands of ryan giggs. what a game between liverpool and manchester city, manchester city are probably going to win. it was an unbelievable run for manchester city in the premier league. in all honesty, despite the 4—3 scoreline it was more than deserved victory for the merseysiders, scoring three time in eight second half minutes to really ta ke time in eight second half minutes to really take the game aafrom the premier league leaders. they managed to hold on for a nervy few final minutes after city managed a few

late consolation goals. pep guardiola called this a reminder to the rest of the league that the race for the title isn't over, however, with a 15 point lead at the top, well, that's a pretty comfortable buffer at this stage of the season. arsenal disappointing for them, they we re arsenal disappointing for them, they were beaten by bournemouth for the first time yesterday. it's likely that they'll lose alexis sanchez in the coming days. we will have more on that in the next few days, but the main story, cyril reggis dying from a suspected heart attack. teenage pregnancy rates in the uk have halved in the past eight years, but are still among the highest in europe. now new government guidelines are being released to help councils reduce the numbers further. they include better education, training for health professionals, making sure teenagers have access to contraceptives and ways of supporting vulnerable teens who are more likely to have children at a young age. 0ur reporter, katie alston, has been to meet teenage mums. you can't be immature,

you can't be silly, think i have a child, i will go out getting drunk. being a teenager could be quite a lonely time i wanted my own family. you canjust hear people say she should not be a young mum if she cannot control her child. being a parent is probably the loneliest place i have been, you don't want people to see you are struggling, get the impression you're a bad mum because you're struggling. improved access to the right type of contraception, more sex education, and a freer approach to talking about sex. as well as teenagers socialising more online are some of the reasons cited for bringing down teenage pregnancy rates in the uk. but what is life like as a teenage parent, why do government

want to bring numbers down further? shannon was 14, and ethan 17, when she fell pregnant with their son harvey, who is now two. my mum found a pregnancy test in my drawer. she texted me. she was a bit angry. she asked me to come back. so i came back. she took a test with me and it was positive. she kind of said, what do you want to do? she spoke to me about everything. but it was kind of the thing, my mama was pregnant when she was 15, she had my mum. my mum has never had a job. i cried in sadness and happiness. i was worried and scared. we discussed it over a few days, i had time to myself working away. we had a chat over the phone. we decided we were going to go

through with it. it was one of those things. i never really understood what happened to your body. it was pretty crazy going through growing pains, also going through pregnancy pains as well. as shannon's due date grew closer, she started to feel pains in her stomach. she said hospital staff didn't listen to what she was telling them. we had a nurse. she was very rude to me. dismissing me completely. i remember her saying to me, "you would not know what labour feels like, you are too young". i had a midwife's appointment on the tuesday. i went to the hospital, but they sent me home. my stomach does not feel the same. she felt it, she ended up sending me back to hospital. i had a scan, it turned out i was right all along, my waters broke. i did not know they had. he had been in my stomach without water for about three days. when they saw that they had to induce me straightaway.

what have been some of the most difficult things about being a young parent? i feel like being a parent is one of the loneliest places i have been. you lose a lot your friends. they don't want to focus on this little baby, they want to go out and do their own thing. i feel like it is one of the loneliest places, but no one prepares you that. how does it feel to be lonely? it is very difficult, you don't want people to see you are struggling. get the impression you're a bad mum because you are struggling. they are things you keep in. you don't tell anyone. it's not as glamorous as people assume it is. and a lot of the time people just assume, because you see things on facebook or social media, uploading pictures, smiling babies. i love my family, my life is perfect. you never really want

to put on social media, i am really struggling. what kind of reaction have you had from strangers, people that don't know you? i remember one time i was with my friend, she also had a baby, we both had pushchairs. someone said to us, "what are you doing with your little brother? why are you taking your little brother out?" we said we are the mums. they said you are not, that is disgusting. how does that make you feel? quite annoyed. it is not other people's business. they don't know the circumstances, how much success we have had, how much she has grown. they should not make comments about something they don't know nothing about. we don't go around commenting about anyone else's life. rates of teenage pregnancy are at the lowest level since records began in the 1960s.

latest figures show over the last 15 years there has been a 55% drop in the number of under 18s conceiving. there has been no government guidance on preventing teen pregnancy since 2010. now councils across england have asked for definitive sets of guidelines about how to continue the downward trend. alison hadley is teenage pregnancy adviser to public health england. it's about making sure they maximise the assets in their area. there is not a lot of money around anymore. you have to make sure everybody contributes to the solution. it has to be what we call a whole systems approach. everybody has to make a contribution. so you would start with improving the sex and relationships education in schools, primary school and secondary school so that all children in the area get good knowledge and confidence, and know about healthy relationships, consent, and where to ask for advice when they start

a sexual relationship. young people should not be facing unplanned pregnancy, we know what we can do to reduce that. so everybody is having conversations early about healthy relationships, helping young people to delay sex until they're ready. about making choices about contraception, sexual health, so they can check himself well. talking about parenting. that will equip young people to have the confidence to make the right choices for them. nationally 0.9% of births in 2015 to 2016 were to teenagers. so what support services are available to the 5,500 young mothers giving birth each year? at this children's centre parents are offered everything from cooking classes to play sessions. for all the parents it is useful to have support from others, you can talk to each other.

you can find out what else is going on. so it's that extra avenue for them to get information. what else is going on out there. it's a way we can support them on that individual basis. help them transition into everything else going on out in the big wide world. the services at the centre have helped to build the confidence of these young parents. what kind of support did you get when you found out you were pregnant at 17? i didn't want to get any support when i first found out. the doctors left me to it. the midwife was not the best with your wife you could ask for, i could not get hold of her. i did not need the centre until leo was six—months—old. ijust had my partner, my mum, his family as well. so that was kind of the support. well, when luca was born, i was invited to a postnatal

group at my local centre. so from there, i met other mums. and kind of like staff at the children's centre. that gave me quite a lot of support in the beginning. it was like a six—week postnatal course, where they take you through a lot of kind of things that you might not know what you're doing. and you know they always there if you need to ask them anything. from there, because i was introduced to the children's centre in that way. i sort of started going to all the baby groups and stuff they had on there. do you think people judge you and make assumptions about you being a young parent? you can hear people saying she should not be a young mum if she can't control her child. stuff like that. i used to get dirty looks and stuff like that. how does that make you feel?

it made me more... i don't know the word. it made be more adamant to be a good mum. to push myself. if people say bad things and judges, you know you are good mum, it makes you want to be in even better mum. and prove people wrong. what has been some of the most difficult things about being a young parent? my friends that i had back then aren't my friends. they're just people i used to go and get drunk with. be silly. as they found out i was pregnant with leo, they don't want to talk to you. they have met him twice and he is two. it makess you feel grown—up, more grown—up, want to be mature. i've got to sort myself out.

you cannot be immature, you cannot be silly. you cannot think, no, i have a child, i will go about getting drunk. i think it has made my priority stronger. to aspire to be a good person, a good role model and do something to make them proud. despite teen pregnancy rates falling, the uk still has one of the highest shares of births to teenage mothers in western europe. almost five times higher than in switzerland and italy. so what are they doing differently in europe? they have a much more open and unembarrassed approach to sexual and unembarrassed approach to sex and relationships education. there isn't the same embarrassment and stigma about asking for advice. many of those countries expect young people will start sexual relationships,

and it is the country's duty and a parent's duty to equip those people do have information to look after themselves. so there isn't that kind of embarrassment and stigma that is very inhibiting for young people, around asking for advice early. i think we are getting much better at that. is that why the rates are coming down? it is certainly part of it, having better sex education, making services much more friendly. having parents talk more. having youth workers and social workers talking more about issues. part of making it much easier for young people to talk. what kind of things do you think that they could be doing to bring down rates of teenage pregnancy? i think it needs to be spoken about more. people really have the assumption when you have a baby, it is a newborn cuddle. it is really not as easy as that. and also talk more about contraception. normalise it a bit more, but obviously you're going to have

sex and ways to stop getting pregnant. and just speak about it a lot more. before i had harvey, i did not really know where my life was going. i did not have so much purpose. he has helped me a lot. to know where i want to go, what i want to be, what i want out of life. if you gave birth as a teenager, i am really keen to hear your thoughts this morning. caroline says, "how are guidelines going to cut teenage pregnancy figures? many look at their future and don't see much hope and go out and don't see much hope and go out and end up pregnant and get more money and benefits and a house too." if you gave birth as a teenager, tell us how it has been for you

since then. also let me bring you this message as well on the same subject. years ago, they got mothers to talk to 14 and 15—year—olds about what motherhood is about, just do that again. that is happening and we will talk to some youngs and parents —— some young parents who go into schools to talk to people about the reality. still to come: the government is being urged to drop its target of reducing net migration to the "tens of thousands". instead, to find areas that the public can agree on. three people with different views will see if they can find consensus and your views are also welcome. women and girls are being asked to share their experiences of being sexually harassed in public places. mps on the women and equalities committee are starting an investigation to find out how widespread such incidents are and establish what can be done to tackle the problem. if you have experienced this yourself, do get in touch in the

usual ways. good morning. time for the latest news. here's annita. the bbc news headlines this morning: one of britain's biggest construction firms, and a main contractor on government building projects, carillion, has been put into liquidation. 20,000 workers are now facing an uncertain future. the company is involved in major projects such as hs2 and crossrail, but has debts of £900 million. and earlier on this prgramme, the rmt union has also attacked the actions of the company's directors. it is an absolute scandal that these people will just it is an absolute scandal that these people willjust be able to walk away from the wreckage of this company while ordinary working people will be scrabbling around for work with no idea what the future brings for their pensions and their families. it is disgusting, frankly. the callousness of these directors and modern capitalism is an outrage! ukip leader henry bolton has told the bbc he is no longer romantically

involved with his former girlfriend jo marney, following the controversy over her racist text messages. mr bolton says he won't resign as party leader, despite calls from within ukip to go. ms marney has apologised for the texts — which centred around derogatory comments about prince harry's fiancee, meghan markle — but claims they were taken out of context. the palestinian president, mahmoud abbas, has said he will not accept any middle east peace plane brokered by the us, following donald trump's move to recognise jerusalem as israel's capital. in a speech, mr abbas described the move as the "slap of the century" for palestinians. president trump has threatened to cut aid if the palestinians reject peace talks. meanwhile, donald trump has publicly denied being a racist as a row continues over offensive language he allegedly used to describe african, central american and caribbean countries. the comments were reported to have been made during a meeting with us senators on immigration at the white house. in his first direct response to accusations of racism, donald trump told reporters he had not made the comments. and he claimed he was the least

racist person they had ever interviewed. police in east yorkshire believe they've found the body of a man, suspected of using a crossbow to kill his neighbour. officers in humberside began searching for 56—year—old anthony lawrence, following the death of shane gilmer on friday. his pregnant girlfriend, laura sugden, was also seriously wounded in the attack. virgin trains is to reverse its decision to ban sales of the daily mail on its west coast services. sir richard branson said he and sir brian souter — who's a part—owner of the company — had asked managers to reconsider, saying that tolerance for differing views were the core principles of a free society. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. thank you. these comments are about carillion, which has gone into liquidation this morning. garrett says, time to stop outsourcing

contracts. carillion is a construction and outsourcing companies. the only winners are the shareholders, the government should not bail them out, take on the contracts themselves. this says, since we are going to pay for its pension deficit, debt and the contracts already agreed, this is a solution, nationalise it. without conversation to shareholders or the predatory banks, and prosecute the board of directors for broad. the writing on the wall has been long enough on the wall for the government to be aware, but once again, we will have to pay for the fat cats. here's some sport now, with hugh. good morning, former west bromwich albion and commentary striker cyrille regis has passed away at 59 due to a suspected heart attack. regis made a part of the trio dubbed the three degrees, scoring 112 goals in his time at the hawthorns. the former england captain rio ferdinand said he helped set the foundation for other ethnic minority players. rain gigs will be named as the new

manager of wales this afternoon, replacing chris coleman. in his first full—timejob as replacing chris coleman. in his first full—time job as management. he took charge manchester united for four games he took charge manchester united for fourgames in 20 he took charge manchester united for four games in 2014 after david moyes was sacked. manchester city had been beaten for the first time in the premier league this season, losing 4—3 at liverpool. city boss pep guardiola said they have learnt good lessons and they are still 15 points clear at the top of the table. kyle edmund has enjoyed the biggest win of his career, beating 11 seed kevin anderson in the australian open at melbourne. he will face dennis is to me next. that is all sport for now, we will be back just after ten o'clock. is all sport for now, we will be backjust after ten o'clock. thank you. the government is being urged to drop its target of reducing net migration to the "tens of thousands" because it "undermines" trust in the state's ability to control immigration. net migration is the difference in number of people coming to live in the uk and those leaving the uk. the government has pledged for years the number should be below 100,000, but the home affairs select committee says having a target like this which,

by the way, has never been achieved, undermines people's trust in the state's ability to control immigration. they're calling on the government to try and find consensus amongst the british public. but how do you find public agreement on an issue which divide people? here, we have three people with very different views, to try and see if they can find agreement. luke muskett. he isa he is a former ukip voter. kajal sanghrajka is the founder of growth hub, which helps companies expand to the us, is currently researching how cities attract immigrant entrepreneurs, and her father was a ugandan immigrant. and sam nanji is an it business owner, ugandan refugee and immigrant, and who believes in controlled immigration, with compassion. welcome, thank you. this is your chance to set up a post—brexit immigration system. i want to try and find areas where you agree. should the government dumped the

target? yes. yes. yes. that is a good start! why? they have never achieved a target. i think it has been arbitrarily set. without really looking at the needs of business and individuals involved. and having a target picked out of thin air, which we will never achieve, really does undermine confidence from the general public. why should the target to be dropped? it is a very crude way of looking at immigration and different immigrants have different skill sets that we need to look at. the majority of the british public have a balanced view on this and we need to look at this on a broader level without a crude number. yes, this does not make sense. it is common sense, you want have the best people in so why have a limited set target of 100,000? it does not make sense. stupid. stupid,

0k! does not make sense. stupid. stupid, ok! so the latest figures show net immigration, net migration fell to 230,000 in the year ending june 2017, that is down from a high of 330 6,000. is that about right, 230,000? is that still too many, too few? i am not sure really. it depends. there needs to be a big conversation about what people want, what is an acceptable number of everyday people. but generally, i think you need the best people. if there is a shortage of skills, i think most people think we should get the best people from around the world. how do you do that? that seems to have alluded politicians for a while. have a points-based system. we have got that. but extend it to europe. at the moment, you have a system where you have free movement of people from the eu so in order to get the numbers down, they have to try and be punitive and the

re st of have to try and be punitive and the rest of the world. it is not make any sense. why have thousands and thousands of unschooled workers when you have people out of work, young people, the highest percentage demographic, it makes no sense. we have a point space system from people outside the eu and four yea rs, people outside the eu and four years, not the most recent figures, but for years, those numbers were higher than eu migrants. but for years, those numbers were higherthan eu migrants. luke but for years, those numbers were higher than eu migrants. luke says a point space system for the whole world. yes. i think the think you have hit on the head is where we could control immigration outside the eu, the numbers were going up. eu was home secretary at the time. and david cameron was setting these arbitrary figures for immigration. so are you saying a point space system so are you saying a point space syste m d oes so are you saying a point space system does not work? we need to get away. we fixated on the numbers of

people coming in and out. we should get rid of that motion and say it should be based on our needs. if we need fewer people because we have got the skills in the country, that is fine. if we need some of these smart people with their skills, to come into the country because we have a need, we should get them in. and at the same time, there low paid skilled jobs that people in the uk just don't want to do. look at agriculture. do you really want to be picking strawberries on a cold day? some people don't want to do those jobs. so day? some people don't want to do thosejobs. so i think it has day? some people don't want to do those jobs. so i think it has to day? some people don't want to do thosejobs. so i think it has to be a balance based on our need. kajal, if it was based on what we needed, how would you design that system? would you do it sector by sector? it, how many do we need? agriculture, hospitality, and so on? i think we have to get across that this is not a zero—sum game, there

isa this is not a zero—sum game, there is a trust issue with this. the point space system is a good starting point because the spirit of thatis starting point because the spirit of that is that. what people want is something that is fair and transparent. in terms of whether it is divided by sector we look at lobe blush local regional policy, the local impact is massive and you feel that on a daily basis. —— if we look at the local regional policy. so i think there needs to be a real conversation between all the different stakeholders involved and thatis different stakeholders involved and that is not what has happened so far. until the report that came out today from the national conversation on immigration, which i was encouraged by because the british public do have a balanced view. they think it is... they have concerns about pressure on housing, which we need to address. the british public when you look at polling evidence suggests if people are coming to

britain for a definitejob, that is totally different from someone coming looking for work. yes, it makes sense. it isjust common sense really. what you said about the points based system that for years, the rest of the world, more immigration has been coming from the re st of immigration has been coming from the rest of the world, you would expect that because the rest of the world isa that because the rest of the world is a much larger demographic of the earth! the point is if the government wanted to achieve that target, any government, it could make the points system more difficult and reduce the numbers. 200,000. you would expect there would be some reduction if there was a points—based system because free movement, anyone can come in. the number includes international students. most people agree that that should not be part of the immigration statistics. so if we ta ke immigration statistics. so if we take that out, the number is far lower. this is whyjust having this

crude number does not make sense. there are nuances which people do not understand. this is where we are up not understand. this is where we are up to after eight minutes. get rid of the target, we have a fair and transparent system. it is based on need. do you agree about the points system ? need. do you agree about the points system? what rick said which was interesting, it is common sense. the problem is, common sense is not that common, especially in the uk government. and it was interesting when david davis was being questioned by one of the select committee. brexit secretary. he was asked, have you done a sector by sector analysis on the impact of brexit? and a sector by sector basis. i was gobsmacked when he admitted that they had not. so how can you assess the needs on a sector by sector basis? you can, if you wa nt by sector basis? you can, if you want to. yes, but they chose not to.

a press conference later from scotla nd a press conference later from scotland to talk about the effect of brexit on their economy and we will bring that live at half past ten. finally and briefly, i want to rescue about the ukip leader henry bolton separating from his girlfriend because of her racist views, although he said on the radio this morning she is devastated and the comments were taken out of context the comments were taken out of co ntext a nd the comments were taken out of context and they are not her views. should he resign? who cares? i used to support ukip. mainly for the eu. they are just so irrelevant. why is this the top story, while we discussing this? they got 1%, 2% of the vote last time. nigel farage and everyone , the vote last time. nigel farage and everyone, as much as what he has done for voting, theyjust need to be quiet now. i need a libertarian party.|j

i need a libertarian party. i i don't think he should resign. let's see how he handles it, that's going to be the test. briefly. i am amazed that she says that it was taken out of context. i would love someone to actually go to her and say, "ok, give us the context. what was the context around which you said this." and i think the other thing is, nothing is private anymore. if you send a text message, and you know, you are saying things that are not very nice, it is going to end up on the media and i think it is good that he has distanced himself from these comments, but i think he should go further and she should be questioned around context. thank you all. thank you very much for coming on the programme. thank you. coming up: a hard brexit could cut scotland's economy by more than £12 billion per year, that's according to a new report.

i have got messages about having a baby when you were a teenager. this texter says, "hello, i baby when you were a teenager. this textersays, "hello, i had baby when you were a teenager. this texter says, "hello, i had my oldest son the day after my 18th birthday. i'm now 45. and i am a specialist community public health nurse. i feel that teenage mums can achieve after having children, but they need support to be able to do this. education is key and learning that your goal is to give your child the best life possible. education makes all the difference, giving you the power to make changes to improve your life. " power to make changes to improve your life." this from jodie, "i had my daughter when i was 17 years of age and! my daughter when i was 17 years of age and i found the my daughter when i was 17 years of age and ifound the hardest my daughter when i was 17 years of age and i found the hardest thing about it was constantly being judged because of my age. i worked hard and i provided for my daughter like any other parent, yet people still looked down on me. at one point i took my daughter's dad to court for full custody. even though i was there protecting my daughter like any good mother, would the court

referred to us as babies having babies. i cannot do normal day—to—day things that any other pa rent day—to—day things that any other parent does without being judged simply because of my age. despite the fact that i am behaving no differently than any older mother would. my only wish is that people would. my only wish is that people would stopjudging us would. my only wish is that people would stop judging us and would. my only wish is that people would stopjudging us and putting us under the same stereotype. " would stopjudging us and putting us under the same stereotype." thank you, jodie. women and girls are being asked to share their experiences of being sexually harassment in public. mps on the women and equalities committee are launching an investigation to see how widespread such incidents are and the impact of such incidents — something we've discussed a number of times on the programme before. we are going to talk about sexual harassment in hollywood, in banks, in hospitals, in the armed forces, in restaurants, in journalism, in hospitals, in the armed forces, in restaurants, injournalism, in your place of work. i used to have to walk to work, quite a long way. i would regularly get followed home. i would be constantly harassed by certain men.

i was quite a feisty person when i was younger. more so then i am now, i would say. i would be like no, no, i would play every single card. nice but no thank you. can you just back off, i am not interested, i'm going to call the police, get off my case. let's talk now to emma lyskava, who is a 28—year—old social media manager from manchester, who has been publically harassed multiple times. sarah green, the co—director of end violence against women, a charity who did research into public harassment. molly ackhurst is from the holla back project, which raises awareness of harassment against women. thank you very much for coming on the programme. emma, you have had multiple experience of this and being called vile things in public. tell our audience what has happened to you. so, it has been where i have been walking home from university,

walking home from work, people have shouted things from cars, driving past, i have been followed home through parks, 4pm in the afternoon, broad daylight, there is a random man following me home and just won't leave me alone. tell me how you think an inquiry which has been launched by this committee of mps might change that kind of behaviour? i think it shows that it has been taken certificate are yously, you know, we kind of brush it off and think you know, it is normal, it happens to every woman or girl, but it's not normal, you know, we shouldn't accept it as something that just happens shouldn't accept it as something thatjust happens to everybody. it kind of gives people the confidence to report these kind of things. take it seriously and there are consequence to say people's actions. sarah, how widespread is it that women and girls are harassed in public? well, the survey we did last year found that around 85% of younger women have experienced sexual harassment so what we called

unwanted sexual attention in our survey and half of them had experienced unwanted sexual touching which is stuff that would sometimes amount to sexual assault and that's of younger women and it is around two—thirds for women across the population, so it is extremely common behaviour. high rev lance rates and it is the most common form of abuse that women experience. we asked them would you liked somebody to have done something and 10% said someone did, 80% said they would have liked if someone else stepped in. we have got a parallel conversation here about the responsibility of all of us who are in public space and when we get involved and when we do something and how we do that. molly, i know you're pleased that this inquiry is happening, because shedding light on harassment is a good thing, but how does it change people's behaviour. that's we are happy that the inquiry is happening. when talking about the importance of shifts in behaviour

and shift in attitudes, i think we are hopeful that this inquiry will do that, but there is so much more that needs to be done. we see this with the sexual harassment in schools inquiry where the government have implemented few of the suggestions and recommendations and there is only so far that laws can go. whilst this inquiry may encourage more survivors of harassment and other forms of abuse to speak out, we really need it start challenging perpetrator behaviour and we hope that this inquiry will do that, but there is so inquiry will do that, but there is so much that needs to be done. i think sarah is mentioned the importance of bystanders and bystander intervention is a vital kind of thing that needs to be happening across workplaces and schools, and i'm just not sure how faran inquiry will go schools, and i'm just not sure how far an inquiry will go to push for that. yes. well, that's up to individuals, bystander intervention is up to an individual seeing something happening and calling it out there and then which is hard sometimes to do. it depends on the nature of your personality and the circumstances and all that stuff. but if any of our audience have

intervened when they have seen somebody being sexually harassed, i would love to hear from you, it ticks over why your brain, shall i say something? i want to ask you about the american actor who won a big award and at that award ceremony won a time's up pin. he has been accused of sexual assault after a magazine published a detailed account from a woman who had a date with him. she said it was the worst night of her life. he said he thought the whole evening was consensual. what do you think of her account and what do you think about men who potentially ignore or misread signals that you don't want to have sex with them?” misread signals that you don't want to have sex with them? i think it's really important when we speak about kind of survivors speaking the truth that we move away from kind of

talking about perpetrators, misreading situations, it is when we go back to sexual harassment it is like when men say, "it is just a compliment." it is never a compliment, it is never misreading, it is clear when someone is saying yes and saying no, physically and verbally. not according to him? i don't believe that he's telling the truth. we need to get a standard, don't we, for sexual conduct which maybe we can in particular for sexual activity we can talk about enthusiastic consent. what kind of guy wants to go ahead and wants to carry on all the euphemisms, what kind of guy, when she is being ambivalent and she is trying to hold you back, what kind of guy are you? what would you say in sal for, emma? i think it is worse because he has forged a career saying he is this feminist and he turns around and he isjust like these other guys

feminist and he turns around and he is just like these other guys that do sexually harass and assault women when they say they are a feminist and you know can read the signals when in the article it says that she didn't want to be forced... he denies it. he said it was completely consensual. thank you very much for coming on the programme. i appreciate it. if you have intervened when you have seen someone, if you have seen someone being touched and it was clear they didn't want to be or being sexually harassed or, you know, verbal, horrible verbal names, do let me know. virgin trains has announced its going to reverse its decision to ban sales of the daily mail on its west coast services. sir richard branson said he and sir brian souter, who is a part—owner of the company, had asked managers to reconsider, saying that tolerance for differing views were the core principles of a free society. virgin had previously said staff her expressed concern about the papers position on issues such as immigration, lgbt rights and unemployment.

we can get reaction now from observer columnist nick cohen who says banning a newspaper is an attack on free speech. hi, there cohen, how are you? fine, thanks. what do you think of this reversal of the decision? well, they've succumb to public pressure. they didn't make it a big deal when they did it, theyjust put out a little release among their staff saying we've responded to complaints, butjournalists obviously have taken it up because, well, from my point of view, i simply don't think that bans like this work. i'm speaking, i work for the guardian and observer. this whole culture you've got now of universities banning speakers even though they are not inciting crime or inciting violence and i don't know who you follow on twitter,

victoria, but people i follow seem to wa nt victoria, but people i follow seem to want to ban a lot of right—wing. i don't think it works. i think it gets people's backs up. i think people say, "who the hell are richard branson and brian souter to tell me what i can and can't read." it drives people towards the positions of donald trump and nigel farage. it was censorship in your view? well, in a way, yes. i mean, there was a newspaper that was on sale and it wasn't. it has been stopped. i mean you can get lost in the niceties of that, people all say when universities stop having feminist speakers who have said some off colour remark about transsexuals and saying, "it is not really sensored because the state is not doing it." but in normal language, it's a ban. it is a restriction on

what people could read now compared to what they could read in the past. i don't want to get lost in the minute ushy of it all. there is a lot of people on twitter calling for bans of this and bans of that. do you think twitter sets the agenda, touche in this country?” you think twitter sets the agenda, touche in this country? i don't think you can blame technology. i really don't. technology doesn't, it isn't destiny and doesn't determine what we think and don't think. there isa what we think and don't think. there is a spirit of the age. on the right as well as the left, of great intolerance of your opponents, of demonising your opponents, of saying look, they're not just demonising your opponents, of saying look, they're notjust wrong or misguided, but they are almost i will legitimate. you see that very much with how trump won in america. you see it with all kinds of petty

dictatorships that are rising up in countries like hungary. to oppose is almost to be like a criminal and that requires criminal sanctions. they are not allowed to speak. this is so racist in the case of the mail and the danger, just from a practical point of view, just from the point of view of you are in politics to get something done, you are not going to convert someone. i am very much against brexit. i think it isa am very much against brexit. i think it is a betrayal of our country. a disaster for our country, but i and people like me have got to persuade some of the 17.4 million people who voted leave to come over to our side. you know, heavy handed tactics are entirely — the same applies in america. in america the democrats have got to persuade in 2020 people who voted for donald trump to vote against him. now, when you start

getting into this highly hysterical culture it just confirms getting into this highly hysterical culture itjust confirms them in their beliefs. let's get the weather. the weather is improving slightly as we head on into the afternoon. this was the scene this morning with some rain, but already some rainbows out in yorkshire. i think most of us will see something brighter by the time we get into the afternoon. this is the weather front that is responsible for the rain that we've had this morning. it's gradually clearing its way eastwards. behind it, strong winds feeding in a series of showers and some of those showers could be heavy and wintry. that's where we are this afternoon. the heavy showers continuing. some bright or sunny spells in between if you're lucky and the potential for

some wintry showers or snow on higher ground in scotland. now, it is pretty cold further north. temperatures three to about five celsius. further south, still slightly milder. temperatures in double figures up to ten celsius. as we head into late afternoon, the snow showers continuing to fall across scotland. perhaps getting down to lower levels as well. northern parts of england, some bright spells, a few showers. the winds lighter across eastern counties, but further west, touching gale force at times. there will be sunny spells, but the showers will continue across devon and cornwall and wales through the rest of the afternoon and into tonight. so tonight there is the risk of ice, essentially across northern ireland and scotland where we have a yellow be aware warning. potential for some snow at lower levels for northern parts of england, scotland and northern ireland and this colder air really taking charge over the next

few days. you'll need the extra layers as you head out. you'll feel the difference. tuesday, yes, we have the showers continuing to feed in. even at lower levels, they could fall as snow across northern regions, northern ireland, scotland, northern parts of england. further south, there will be drier interludes, but rain showers continuing and if you factor in the wind, it will feel more like minus four or wind, it will feel more like minus fouror minus wind, it will feel more like minus four or minus five celsius in the day time. so, pretty cold out there. as we head towards the middle of the week, there will be sunny spells. a few showers. again, wintry. perhaps in edinburgh and some strong winds to come, stormy conditions, by the middle of the week. that's your latest forecast. hello. it's monday, it's 10 o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire. our top story today — thousands ofjobs are under threat

this morning because one of britain's biggest construction companies has gone into liquidation. talks between carillion, its lenders and the government failed to reach a deal to save the company. we'll be talking to someone who works there. councils are given new guidance on how to reduce teenage pregnancy. the uk still has one of the highest rates in europe despite it hardly in the last eight years. you can just hear people saying, she should not bea hear people saying, she should not be a young mother. stuff like that. and i used to get dirty looks and stuff like that. we'll also be talking to a man who became a dad as a teenager and asking what needs to be done to cut teenage pregnancy rates further. ukip leader henry bolton says he won't be resigning, despite the controversy over racist remarks made by his girlfriend jo marney, but has told the bbc he is no longer romantically involved with her. iam i am absolutely not standing down. the reason is because it is

crucially important at ukip has a loud voice leading up the exiting the european union and in shaping the european union and in shaping the nation on the way forward out of that. we'll talk to one ukip mep who says henry bolton should go. scotland's first minister has accused theresa may of a "fundamental dereliction of duty" in failing to set out the economic impact of leaving the eu. she says brexit could cut scotland's economy by more than £12 billion per year. we will hear from nicola sturgeon at half past ten. good morning. here's annita, in the bbc newsroom, with a summary of today's news. our top story today. one of britain's biggest construction companies, carillion, has been placed into liquidation this morning, threatening earlier, michael lynch, of the rail

union the rmt, said the company's directors had union the rmt, said the company's d i rectors had left union the rmt, said the company's directors had left its workers in the lurch. it's an absolute scandal that these people willjust be able to walk away from the wreckage of this company while ordinary working people will be scrabbling around for work, with no idea what the future brings for their pensions and their families. it's disgusting, frankly. the callousness of these directors and modern capitalism is an outrage! peter plisner is our midlands business correspondent, and is at carillion's headquarters, in wolverhampton. good morning. is it becoming any clearer in terms of things being said about what might happen to those 20,000 employees and give reaction to this morning's news as well? we're here at wolverhampton hq

of carillion. they basically have said nothing. they have been briefed not taught the media. they assume thatis not taught the media. they assume that is a team the building from the receivers, although they are not officially appointed. this is far reaching not just officially appointed. this is far reaching notjust for carillion workers, 400 and wolverhampton and 20,000 across the country. there is the wide impact on the supply chain in the construction industry. i have been talking to a couple of civil engineering companies this morning and they certainly worried. some are worried they will not get paid and worried they will not get paid and worried about the future of the company. a lot is at stake. u nfortu nately, company. a lot is at stake. unfortunately, this is not the news many were expecting. they expected some kind of deal to be done to save some kind of deal to be done to save somejobs and some kind of deal to be done to save some jobs and it appears this is the worst possible news for staff here and elsewhere. thinking very much. outside carillion headquarters. moron that in the next few minutes.

—— we will have more on that. ukip leader henry bolton has told the bbc he is no longer romantically involved with his former girlfriend jo marney, following the controversy over her racist text messages. mr bolton says he won't resign as party leader, despite calls from within ukip to go. ms marney has apologised for the texts, which centred around derogatory comments about prince harry's fiancee, meghan markle — but claims they were taken out of context. the palestinian president, mahmoud abbas, has said he will not accept any middle east peace plane brokered by the us, following donald trump's move to recognise jerusalem as israel's capital. in a speech, mr abbas described the move as the "slap of the century" for palestinians. president trump has threatened to cut aid if the palestinians reject peace talks. meanwhile, donald trump has publicly denied being a racist, as a row continues over offensive language he allegedly used to describe some african, central american and caribbean countries. the comments were reported to have been made during a meeting with us senators on immigration at the white house. in his first direct response to accusations of racism,

donald trump told reporters he had not made the comments, and claimed he was "the least racist person" they had ever interviewed. there was a narrow escape for a driver and passenger, following a spectacular collision in orange county, in california. the car hit the central reservation, crashing into the wall. both the driver and passenger received minor injuries, which seems nothing short ofa miracle, injuries, which seems nothing short of a miracle, victoria. it certainly does. thank you very much. and thank you for your comments about sexual harassment which we were discussing earlier and i was asking if you had ever intervened, because of an enquiry started by a group of mps and the sexual harassment in public places. had you ever intervened and called somebody out for sexual harassment

pushed mark murray says, i was a bus tribe in london and i watched as a man filmed underneath a woman's skirt. i called my control room. all men and they sniggered at my request for the police. they did report it, police arrived immediately and questioned the man involved, but it was annoying and frustrating to be greeted by such i've frustrating response. jeannot says, it is a slippery slope whereby any comment made by a man is construed as sexual harassment. we have had multiple stories and it staggers me, this says. i am astonished any woman would walk past any man in public now, forfear of would walk past any man in public now, for fear of what might happen. how did we get here? if you're getting in touch, you are very welcome. if your text in, you will be charged at the standard next —— standard network rate. here's some sport now, with hugh. very sad news today.

the former england striker cyrille regis has died at the age of 59. it's believed he'd suffered a heart attack. if you do not know about cyrille regis and his career, i have looked through the tributes pouring in this morning and one story stood out. he kept a bullet for his career as a reminder of some of the evil people had inside of them and, for the rest of my days, it was a motivation they would not stop me. that is part of the reason he did inspire so many. regis was best known for his time at west bromwich albion, where he's considered a legend after his 112 goals for the club. he was one of the first black players to be capped by england and was awarded an mbe in 2008. ryan giggs is set to be named as the manager of the wales national team today, succeeding chris coleman. giggs' only managerial experience so far was four games in charge of manchester united, when david moyes was sacked in 2014. coleman stepped down in november, after wales failed to qualify for this year's world cup. after 30 games and 281 days,

manchester city's unbeaten premier league run is finally over. they lost 4—3 to liverpool, in an incredible match at anfield. liverpool scored three goals in eight minutes, to go 4—1 up in the second half. city did fight back, but they couldn't find an equaliser. they are still 15 points clear at the top of the table, but liverpool and their boss, jurgen klopp, are celebrating a famous victory. it is possible that this today was an historical game. you will talk about this in 20 years. manchester city lost one game, because it looks like they will not lose another one! it is big respect for their performance. and, of course, what we did today. liverpool was demanding a lot, you make mistakes, you get punished. with mohamed salah. with a

team that has the quality to run and to make fast counterattacks. but hopefully, we can learn from that for the future. and — for the first time ever — bournemouth beat arsenal, coming from behind in front of their home crowd to win 2—1, thanks to jordan ibe, who hit his first goal for the club. britain's kyle edmund has hailed the best win of his career, beating the 11th seed kevin anderson in the first round of the australian open. he twice came from a set down and was trailing by a break in the deciding set, before fighting back to reach round two in melbourne for only the second time, with a five—set victory. he'll face denis istomin next. ijust i just overall ijust overall bort, personal satisfaction. the hours you put in in training. so many things like that. those types of results just make it really, just really feel

good and worth it, basically. so yes, really happy. and a couple of surprises in the women's game, venus williams knocked out, beaten in straight sets. williams lost in the final last year to her sister, serena. not great for the american women. the us open champion sloane stephens is also out. that is all the sport for now. more at half—past. sinn fein mp who cause controversy after posing with a kingsmill ranted loaf on the anniversary of the anniversary of the kingsmill massacre has resigned. so sinn fein mp barry mcelderry has resigned after posing with a loaf on the anniversary of the kingsmill anniversary. the construction giant carillion has gone into liquidation, saying it's failed to secure a funding deal with the government and the banks. the firm, which employs 20,000 people in the uk,

has overall debts of one—and—a—half billion pounds. the government says it will do all it can to protect the company's workers and contracts. jerry swain is from the unite union, the conservative chairman of the house of commons public administration select committee has said he's considering launching in inquiry into government procurement and contracting. and labour's shadow minister for the cabinet office, jon trickett, is with us. ian, who has been working for carillion as a sub—contractor. we've agreed not to disclose his identity. how'd you react to the company going into liquidation this morning?m how'd you react to the company going into liquidation this morning? it is not a surprise. the way it operated throughout the time we worked for them was horrific. the risk was transferred to the smaller subcontractors. payment terms were unacceptable. and basically, it put a lot of small companies at risk. let me bring injerry, your concern

is, what? two concerns. first, the immediate concern that employees, members of unite, get paid. there is real problems such as the difficulties ian's company will face, we are likely to see a domino effect on companies going into receivership and administration because people or companies will have loans secured on the money that is owed to them by carillion and their chances of getting that money now seem fairly slim. if the report it debts are correct. the government has said today it will pay people's wages, iam not has said today it will pay people's wages, i am not sure what that means in practical terms and how many people will be paid.|j in practical terms and how many people will be paid. i would like to see more detail. i suspect that will be the places where carillion employed people directly in places like the hospitals, the prison service, except. but there are tens,

if not hundreds of thousands, of workers on construction sites in an extremely un—secure position at the moment, who will be fretting about their wages, wondering if they can pay their mortgage. what about the impact on public services? carillion is involved in everything from school dinners, roads, maintaining houses, ministry of defence houses? half the presence in the country are run by carillion, it is completely extraordinary and the government continues to hand out contracts when they knew this company was in trouble. and the services must be protected. but most people will think, why is it that so many services have been handed over to a company which was pay to be failing over the last 2—3 years? two profit warnings? in 2015, they we re two profit warnings? in 2015, they were short—selling the shares on the exchange. we have known for a long time this company was in trouble. they have had three chief executives

over the last few months. it is a disaster and the government has been asleep on the watch. 0k. when they should have been watching carefully what was wapping. bernard generalingen, do you accept that from labour that the government has been asleep on this? it is a disaster? i'm sure we will all enjoy being wise after the event...m disaster? i'm sure we will all enjoy being wise after the event... it is not after the event. how many warnings did the transport secretary need? just let me finish the point. why is it being wise after the event when the transport secretary handed a hs2 contract to carillion a week after its first profit warning last summerand after its first profit warning last summer and after the chief executive had departed? as i was going to say these all are legitimate questions to ask, but i think ifjohn turns the volume control down about 80% i think he would sound more reasonable and credible. we've got, but that's

why my committee is considering setting up this inquiry. it's a bit like the kids company inquiry we did only ana like the kids company inquiry we did only an a larger scale, in the kids company case the minister to give a ministerial direction to the civil service. in this case the whole of government is going to be implicated. the civil service as well. the secretary of state wouldn't have let the contracts against official advice. so let's have a look at this and let's just remember that two things. first of all, the labour party when they were in office let many contracts that we nt in office let many contracts that went bad and also, that the public sector does things that go bad. so, nobody is blameless. we have all got blood on our hands. let's see what we can learn positively from this situation rather thanjust we can learn positively from this situation rather than just doing we can learn positively from this situation rather thanjust doing the blame game. that's a fair point, isn't it? well, i have been asking

questions about this company for months. previous governments including labour ones handed out contracts that have gone wrong? and it is time we had a major review. i don't think the public want to pay tax to companies which then cream off the profits and then go bust leaving working and receivers high and dry. we have to have a review. why aren't the services provided in house. how come we have got prisons and hospitals and schools being prohaveded for profit, we have to review this and come to a different conclusion about how we handle the public services in the future. can i just say, on carillion, it has been mentioned. they had a policy in december that they don't pay people subcontractors what is due to them purely for the simple reason to inflate the amount of money held within the company. it is a company that has blacklisted workers and has a history of doing that and then to be asking them to run our public services was never the right thing

to do and what we should be doing now is bringing the services back in house where they can be managed properly and managed in the interests of the user of the service. 0k. thank you all, thank you very much. thanks for coming on the programme. this morning we've been looking at life as a teenage mum. teenage pregnancy rates in the uk have halved in the past eight years, but are still among the highest in europe. now new government guidelines are being released to help councils reduce the numbers further. our reporter katie alston has been to meet teenage mums. we bought you her full report earlier. here's a short extract. being a parent is probably one of the loneliest places i've been. and you lose a lot of your friends. they don't want to focus on this little baby, they want to go out, do their own thing. ifeel like it's probably one of the loneliest places, but no—one prepares you for that. you don't want people to see you're struggling,

get the impression, "oh, you're a a bad mum because you're struggling", so there things you keep in, and you don't tell anyone. irememberone time i was out with my friend, and she also had a baby, we both had pushchairs, and someone kind of said to us, it was like, "oh what you doing with your little brother", something like that, "why you taking your little brother out, where's the mum?" and when we was like, "0h, we're the mum", they was like, "no you're not, oh, that's disgusting" and stuff like that. how does that make you feel? quite annoyed, the fact other people are trying to get in business which has nothing to do with them. they don't know the circumstances we've been in, they don't know how much success we actually had done, and how much he has grown and we've brought him up and that. so they shouldn't make comments about something they know nothing about. we had a nurse and she was very rude to me, kind of dismissed me completely.

i remember her saying to me, "oh, you wouldn't know what labour feels like, you're too young", and ended up sending me home. and it turned out i was right all along, my waters had broke and i didn't know they had. he'd been in my stomach without water for about three days. so when they saw that they had to induce me straightaway. young people shouldn't be facing unplanned pregnancy. we know what we can do to reduce that, so everybody is having conversations early about healthy relationships, about helping young people delay sex until they are ready, about making choices about contraception, sexual health so they protect themselves well. talking about parenting. that will equip young people with the confidence and the knowledge to make the right choices for them. before i had harvey, i felt like i didn't really know where my life was going. now i have so much of a purpose i feel like he has helped me a lot. to know where i want to go, to know what i want to be,

and what i want out of life. let's speak tojodie aubery who was 13 when she fell pregnant and 14 when she gave birth to her daughter charlotte three years ago. this is charlotte. how are you lovely? she is watching herself on tv! shadine ebanks—scully was 16 when she became pregnant and gave birth to her little boy kason six weeks ago. welcome. beautiful sleeping baby. that's how we love babies. and kevin makwikila who is a single parent to six—year—old son. he was 17 when he became a dad. also with us lisa hallgarten who is policy manager at sexual health charity, brook. etty martin, sexual health commissioning manager at public health warwickshire. she is responsible for spending the allocated sexual health budget on services for the area she works in and helped work on the new guidelines for councils. thank you for coming on the programme. thank you and thank you for your patience. how are you

doing, six weeks old, he is? i'm doing, six weeks old, he is? i'm doing quite well. you initially found out? i was doing, six weeks old, he is? i'm you initially found out? i was more shocked and scared more than anything because i didn't know what to expect out of the whole ordeal myself and obviously, scared to then tell the world. tell your parents. tell my parents. were you worried? yes. what did you think they would do? ijust didn't know. i didn't know what they would do. in fact you hid it from everybody until you were six or seven months until you started showing, didn't you? yeah, i did. happened then? iwas started showing, didn't you? yeah, i did. happened then? i was called into a councillor's room in school when they basically told me i was pregnant and it all came out from there. were you in denial, do you think? i was in re-nile at first and it wasn't until i had kind of felt her moving that it kind of kicked in that yeah, i am in fact pregnant and there is a baby growing inside of

me. and how have the last three yea rs me. and how have the last three years been? hectic, but i'm going to say it has been the best three years of my life because obviously she's here with me, but if i was told when i was 13 that i was going to have a baby, i don't know howl i was 13 that i was going to have a baby, i don't know how i would have reacted and for me to then go and on have and have baby, it'sjust, it's surreal. but, yeah... kevin, you we re surreal. but, yeah... kevin, you were in college when you found out that a child was on the way. what went through your mind?” that a child was on the way. what went through your mind? i was confused. i was happy. and sad at the same time because i didn't know how i was going to did it. i didn't really know what to expect. so, it really know what to expect. so, it really hit me, you know, and i struggled in terms of communicating in college. i stopped talking to people. i kind ofjust closed in

because i really didn't know how to express myself, but i was, i definitely felt confused because i was happy and sad, worried. so yeah. and you were sure you wanted to be pa rt and you were sure you wanted to be part of your son's life because your own father wasn't in your life when from the ages of nine or ten, is that right? yeah. now you have sole custody p what's that like? it was challenging, but it went really well and he still gets to see his mum which i'm really, it's tough to put in place, but i'm glad that contact still goes on, yeah. before i bring in others, let me ask all of you, is there anything you could have been taught or told that might have prevented you from becoming pregnant? i think in schools they should do more workshops like i work for a company called straight talking and they provide a lot of support and help and there is also

support and help and there is also support with a project which my manager is involved with. where there any workshops or discussions at school about contraception, i mean, from say the ages of 12, 13 about contraception, about what it is like to be a parnlt? not really. ididn't is like to be a parnlt? not really. i didn't really go to school that often just because i i didn't really go to school that oftenjust because i didn't like it which is quite bad, but when i was there, nothing was spoken about. i think parents could talk more about it as well. 0k. think parents could talk more about it as well. ok. i know it is a touchy subject. it is a bit embarrassing. what would you say? i think yeah, i completely agree. well, when i fell pregnant i didn't know there was many contraceptive options and they should also do more things around budgeting and the real world. 0k. when you come out of school because it's scary.” world. 0k. when you come out of school because it's scary. i am making an assumption that you were

older, you became pregnant at 16. did you know about contraception, you knew about the pill, condoms, the withdrawal method in a way that perhaps you wouldn't jodie the withdrawal method in a way that perhaps you wouldn'tjodie aged 13. i not know so much about it, i was aware they were out there, but i didn't really know about it that much. i was going to go on the pill and the doctor told me the side—effects and i got scared and i thought i'm not going to bother. so you had investigated that? yeah. 0k. do you think we need to cut the teenage pregnancy rate further? it has halved in this country in the last eight years which is phenomenal, still the highest, one of the highest in europe, though, what do you say? we still need to be working to reduce it. any unwanted pregnancies is one too many and because we have got half—way, i don't think we should be complacent. i think there is a lot we mead to do. just listening to these wonderful young women saying they didn't get the information in a way

that could relate to is one of the things we are keen to make sure continues. in practicalterms what does that mean? we are not talking in normal language enough to boys and girls at a young enough age? yes. we need to do more of that in a way they shape and design so in workshops where they are working with people that they can relate to that are like them. maybe young people talking to young people. which is why it is useful that you're going into schools to tell kids to tell pupils this is what it is like? yeah. the guidance which is out today, i mean, it seems so straightforward. it seems such common sense, it is not really new, is it going to make any difference? i think it will make a difference because it's a renewed focus on teenage pregnancy which has fallen by the way side in policy levels. because levels have been coming down? and that's caused complacency

because the teenage pregnancy strategy became mainstream instead of having a focus on government, it became devolved and some local areas continued to do brilliant work and some local areas dropped the ball on it. there is nothing really, really new, but what it does is takes the learning from the last 15 years and it is putting it back out to local authorities and saying these are the brilliant things we can do in terms of good delivery of sex education and brilliant young people friendly services and linking those things up is critical. this e—mail says, i this e—mailsays, i had my this e—mail says, i had my daughter when i was 16 and two months. it was a nightmare, but we did well. it is so hard being judged and being pressured. i now have two nursing qualifications, a degree and a teaching qualification, never say never! but at 16 and under, it is really challenging, to say the least. you agree? yes. heather says, my story, i was 15 when i became

pregnant and 16 when i gave birth to my oldest son. i was so ashamed that i hid it from either parents while i did my exams. i'm amazed everyone by getting mostly a grades. at nearly five months pregnant, my mother askedif five months pregnant, my mother asked if i want to if i was, they we re asked if i want to if i was, they were devastated but they stood by me. some midwives were nasty and others were great. i had to demonstrate breast—feeding to a class of mothers double my age. i got a job and when my son was two, we moved into my house, i met my partner who took on my son as his own. i was 21 when my second son was born, iam own. i was 21 when my second son was born, i am an optical adviser and have such a close bond to my son. it was not easy, but you have to adapt. jo became pregnant at 17 commission peta byte, every jo became pregnant at 17 commission petabyte, every adult tried to persuade her to have an abortion. not because they were heartless. but she could not have done that when her child was a reality. she had her

baby because she immediately loved it. she knew she would have a baby to love and who would love her back. i suspect no teenage girl despise the ball pregnant deliberately poor housing, and anybody who thinks this has a side view of life. when i started out in journalism, has a side view of life. when i started out injournalism, there we re started out injournalism, there were many stories about teenage girls becoming pregnant to access a council house and benefits. what do you say, do you know anybody who has done that deliberately? no, i don't. i don't think it would purposely choose it. i am not saying it is really bad, but you would not choose this life to get a house and benefits. thank you all very much. thank you so much. on cue, charlotte. such a good girl! and such a good boy! thank you, all of you. let's go to edinburgh, and the scottish government is warning brexit could cut the scottish economy by more than £12 billion a year. we can hearfrom economy by more than £12 billion a year. we can hear from the economy by more than £12 billion a year. we can hearfrom the first minister nicola sturgeon and brexit

minister nicola sturgeon and brexit minister mike russell. we must not waste time seeking what they know to be unachievable. common sense and hard—headed economic considerations should prevailfrom hard—headed economic considerations should prevail from the start this time. as we entered this next crucial phase, the uk government must not be driven by the obsessions of the hard brexit wing of the conservative party. keeping the tory party together in an uneasy truce cannot and must not be a more important consideration and aspiration for the uk government and thejob aspiration for the uk government and the job prospects, aspiration for the uk government and thejob prospects, living standards and opportunities for this and future generations. what the modelling in this paper that we are publishing today shows beyond any doubt is that if the economy, living standards and investment are our priority, staying within the single market is absolutely essential to minimise the damage of leaving the eu. the analysis that we published

todayis eu. the analysis that we published today is more detailed and extensive than anything so far provided by the uk government. and that in itself speaks volumes about their reckless and irresponsible approach. this paper looks at the only three realistic outcomes of brexit. these are personally staying in the single market, second including a free trade agreement similar to that between the eu and canada, and third, reverting the world trade organisation terms, the so—called no deal option. the modelling takes account of the impact on trade, productivity and migration on each of these possible future relationships. let me be very clear. this analysis shows that none of these options are as good as staying within the european union. all economy would take a hit and all of them. however, the least damaging option by far is staying in the single market. let the outline as briefly as possible, with apologies

for the flurry of statistics you are about to receive. the key locations for our economy by 2030 of each of these options compared to what the situation would be if we stayed in the eu. under the so—called no deal option, a wto —based relationship, ourgdp option, a wto —based relationship, our gdp would be 8.5% lower by 2030 thanif our gdp would be 8.5% lower by 2030 than if we were to remain in the eu. that is equivalent to £12.7 billion. £2300 for every person in scotland. under this option, real disposable income would also be 9.6% lower and business investment 10.2% lower. under the option of a free trade agreement, gdp would bejust under the option of a free trade agreement, gdp would be just over 6% lower, equivalent to 9 billion, £1600 for every single one of us in scotland. real disposable income

would be over 7% lower and business investment lower by almost 8%. and staying in the single market compared to full eu membership would reduce gdp by 2.7%. equivalent to £4 billion, just under £700 per head of population. under this option, billion, just under £700 per head of population. underthis option, real disposable income would be 1.4% lower and business investment lower by just lower and business investment lower byjust under 3% lower and business investment lower by just under 3% than lower and business investment lower byjust under 3% than if we were to stay in the eu. so it is clear from these figures that staying in the single market does not insulated us from the costs of leaving the eu. but it will minimise those costs. indeed, compared to a hard brexit, staying in the single market would benefit as to the tune of £1600 per head, for every person in scotland. now, much of the brexit debate so far has understandably focused on the prospects for trade. but within

scotland, we know that it is our need to grow our population and improve productivity most often cited in our current economic debate. these factors featured prominently in the scottish fiscal commission's recent growth forecasts published alongside our draft budget. so it is striking that when you read the detail of the analysis we published today that it shows that the economic hit we will take comes not just from a that the economic hit we will take comes notjust from a loss in trade, but actually, more so especially in the longer term from losses in productivity and population. very things we need to improve and if we are to boost growth, jobs and living standards. the evidence we present todayis standards. the evidence we present today is clear, the best way to minimise the economic damage of brexit is to stay inside the single market. it is also in my view the best way to safeguard workers' rights and social consumer and environmental protections that we

have come to take for granted. i have come to take for granted. i have talked about the benefits of staying in the single market as it is just now, but the single market is just now, but the single market is not yet complete. the paper also sets out the future opportunities of continued membership for services, energy and the digital economy in particular. it seems inconceivable that while the two countries in the european economic area, those still thejoint will enjoy the european economic area, those still the joint will enjoy the benefits of that growth while we will be left outside. that is particularly frustrating a prospect because scotla nd frustrating a prospect because scotland is very well placed to take advantage of the developing and deepening single market. our world —class deepening single market. our world—class universities, potential in renewable energy, life sciences, digital sector and other key areas of the scottish economy are all in a prime position to reap the rewards of these developments. and that would mean more jobs of these developments. and that would mean morejobs and higher wages. so it would be a tragedy for future generations if we were to let that opportunity pass us by. and

services for example were both scotla nd services for example were both scotland and the uk as a whole have comparative advantage, the long—term potential gain from completing the single market is estimated to be 2.496 single market is estimated to be 2.4% of eu ddp, a beast of national income of that size in scotland would be equivalent to see —— three 6p, almost £700 per person. enhancements to the digital single market could mean a further increase in the eu gdp of nearly 2%, for scotland, the equivalent of almost £3 billion, over £500 per person. this paper sets out the positive case and the significant economic benefit. and if we retain our place in the single market compared with all the other... scotland's first minister nicola sturgeon. various options they have looked at in this report released today. she has looked at the impact on scotland's economy of staying in the single market. of a free—trade agreement.

and wto terms, so—called no deal options, that is the world trade or interns, and what impact it will have on people. according to their own analysis, the scottish government says there was no deal for the uk after leaving the european union, it would hit the scottish economic output by 8.5% by 2030. view has nicola sturgeon say thatis 2030. view has nicola sturgeon say that is £2300 for every person in scotland's —— you heard nicola sturgeon. so a hit to the scottish economy by 2030 if there was no deal for the uk after leaving the eu of 8.5%. more on that throughout the day. a senior coroner will today deliver his conclusions at the second inquest of 13—month—old poppi worthington — more than five years after she died. the toddler's controversial first inquest lasted just seven minutes and did not refer to poppi by name,

as her death was declared as unexplained. our correspondent is outside kendal coroner's court. remind our audience of the background to the death of poppi worthington. previously, we had one opinion that the little girl may have been sexually assaulted by her own father. that is right, that came from a family court back in 2016. thejudge, mr peterjackson, said, and the balance of probabilities, poppi's father sexually assaulted her shortly before her death. paul worthington denies any wrongdoing, the cps has held its decision that no charges will be brought in this case is due to insufficient evidence and we have heard from the independent police complaints commission that evidence was thrown away by detectives. witnesses were not interviewed for eight months. cumbria police has said it deeply regrets the way the investigation was handled. that is why, combined with the facts you

say, the first inquest only lasted seven minutes. the death was decided to have been unexplained, see you can understand why the second inquest is so important. remind us of some of the evidence the coroner has been hearing over the last three weeks. we have heard from poppi's mother who said that on the night of her death, she spent a night on the couch and join the night, she heard poppi screen and she believed paul worthington went to check on her. she was woken at six o'clock in the morning, paulworthington she was woken at six o'clock in the morning, paul worthington said poppi was not breathing and a 999 called -- call was not breathing and a 999 called —— call was played and we could hear in the background paul worthington carry out cpr. as we know, the toddler died in hospital that day. we have also heard from paul worthington himself. he was asked if he had sexually abused his daughter. he broke down in tears. he refused to answer. in fact, he refused to a nswer 252 to answer. in fact, he refused to answer 252 questions put to him,

quoting a rule which protects witnesses from incriminating themselves. the coroner has been clear he should not be criticised for exercising that right. we have also heard from cumbria police. the lawyer representing poppi's mother described their evidence is, people and ineffectual. if this was not such a tragedy, she said, one could best describe the response of cumbria police as a comedy of errors. this is because we heard from the police officer who led the investigation, detective inspector amanda sadler, who said she was not correctly trained. we have heard from forensic and medical experts who have different opinions on whether or not the internal injuries poppi had were caused by sexual contact is all caused by resuscitation attempts. the key thing is that pathologists here at the inquest have said they cannot determine a cause of death. so what

will happen at this conclusion today, the coroners make it clear that inquest is not a blaming exercise. they say it is a fact—finding hearing. the important question is, will david roberts today give the family of backs that they need to bring this tragic story to an end after five years? —— bring the family the facts. that is something we will find out this afternoon. thank you and we can hear that conclusion as soon as the coroner begins his summing up. victims of rapistjohn worboys have welcomed news that the justice secretary will do "everything he can" to keep him in prison. the former black cab driver was jailed in 2009 for 12 sexual assaults, although he's thought to have assaulted up to 100 women. he's due to be released from prison imminently. but in a highly unusual move, the newly installed justice secretary has intervened in the case, to say he is looking at the possibility of applying for a judicial review, in an effort to keep worboys behind bars. i've been speaking to adam wagner, a human rights barrister,

and, from manchester, kim harrison, a lawyer who represents 11 of worboys‘ victims. i asked kim if she welcomed the justice secretary's intervention. i do welcome it. i welcome it on behalf of our clients, who finally, for the first time since it was announced this man is to be released, feel their fears and concerns are genuinely being listened to. what do you think it meand, this intervention? it means that, on the face of it, that the justice minister is looking into whether or not there are reasonable prospects of success for judicial review, so it's very early days. i think that within the next few days he should receive that legal advice and then we will know whether or not he is minded to go ahead with thatjudicial review. adam wagner, is this the right move from thejustice secretary? we don't really know. it really depends on the quality of the decision making by the parole board,

because that is all confidential, but by law, we don't really know whether they made a good decision or not. it does seem like an odd decision to decide to release warboys after a relatively short period of time after his minimum term, and the other point is that the justice secretary has never done this before, he has never intervened in this way by judicially reviewing the parole board decision. it is meant to be an independent body. so whether that will have knock—on effects, we don't know. as kim says, it is early days. but in terms of the principle of the justice secretary intervening adam wagner, to see if there is the possibility of a judicial review, is that ok with you? i think the principle is fine, you know, judicial review is there for anybody who has an interest in a case which is quite narrowly defined, to be able to review the decision making in a particular case, and it is a good thing. judicial review, contrary to what previousjustice secretaries have said, is a good way of making sure that decision makers are up to scratch, and that they behave lawfully. so in this case, where there is significant public

concern over warboys, and particularly the uncharged offences, if that makes sense, so the ones that we ren't investigated properly. i think this is an unusual case and it may require an unusual intervention by the justice secretary to make sure that the public are kept safe. kim harrison, you'll know that people have questioned the parole board decision on a number of counts, one of them being their decision might be unlawful because some victims weren't informed of the imminent release. can you be clear with the 11 women that you represent, were any of the 11 contacted with news he was to be released? not in advance. all of them found out via the media, via social media or friends. in relation to the women that we represent, three of them are conviction cases, so warboys was convicted

in relation to three of them. the others were told by the crown prosecution service they didn't need to be added to the indictment, because warboys would be going to be locked up for such a long period of time they didn't need to prosecute in those cases. so they are in the grey area where they are not victims where there has been a conviction, so they don't have the right to opt into that victim contact scheme. we know there are 93 women in that grey area, and surely their views must be kept into account in some way. but in relation to the three conviction cases, no, despite some of them opting into the victim contact scheme they didn't hear from the parole board about his release, they heard from the media. that is just unacceptable. of those three, was it, all three that were in had opted in to find out news about worboys? i know of at least one who did opt in, and who wasn't informed. in relation to the other two, i would have to check, but i know with at least one that is the case, and she has been devastated by the way

in which she was informed. do you think the safety of these women might be compromised by his release? it might be. the safety of those women might be, the safety of other women as well. we know that worboys kept a book with addresses of some of his victims in — that was something that was adduced in evidence in the criminal trial. many of these women are very concerned that he may still know their addresses. he was a london cab driver for a very long period of time. you have to to have a high level of knowledge of london to pass the knowledge to be a london cab driver, and so they are very concerned about him being allowed back in to london, and i believe the mayor, sadiq khan, has said he is not happy with the idea of worboys being allowed to reside in london if he is to be released. adam wagner, is the immediate impact of the justice secretary seeing if a judicial review is a possibility that the worboys release is paused, at least for a while?

i think saying there is so much in the background here, that it is going to drag on a bit, and there's an element, i think, of people are angry at the parole board, but i think there is a lot of anger at the police and about how they dealt with the original investigations, and as we know, there is a high—profile human rights case which is still going on, about whether those victims could get compensation from the police, and ultimately, i think, with the parole board, they can only play what they've in front of them, and if the police didn't investigate a lot of the offences properly, and didn't given the information to the cps to be able to prosecute, then the anger which people are feeling towards the parole board may be really be about that investigation. i think in that circumstance we will see probably quite a long delay before there is some kind of resolution here. thank you both. thank you very much for coming on the programme. the ukip leader has dumped his

girlfriend over the comments she made about meghan markle. jo marney reportedly called black people ugly and said prince harry's fiancee would taint the royal family. henry bolton said he wouldn't resign. we've together made the decision that the romantic element of our relationship should end. she is utterly distraught, close to break down over all of this. she never intended these comments to ever be made public, they were made some time ago, and indeed, although utterly indefensible, there is some context to them, which in time will be revealed. but the fact is that i'm going to be supporting her family and supporting her in rebuilding her life going forward. let's hear what members

of his own party think. bill etheridge is west midlands ukip mep. and joining me here in the studio is peter whittle ukip spokesperson for london assembly. is he right not to resign? no, he's wrong. he has been wrong all the way through. not only has he handled this situation badly, but now he thinks that by throwing a relationship with this young lady under the bus he can save his skin and frankly, it is yet another example of this man not knowing what he's doing. there are hard—working activists out there battling for ukip and brexit every day and they are being distracted and diverted and slowed down by the foolish antics of this man who has done nothing to get into the media other than have a scandal. he is a political lightweight and needs to go and let us get on with the business of brexit and representing

the british people. peter, do you agree? well, i think the problem really here is that the whole process is not really over in the sense that despite what henry said this morning and i think he didn't go farenough this morning and i think he didn't go far enough actually, he said he was go far enough actually, he said he was going to leave the romantic part of the relationship. i think he should have nothing more to do with her, but then he has to go up in front of our nec on sunday and that's crunch time. is he going to last until sunday? i think what he'll have to do is basically show the members that he can kind of regain their trust. it's a very, very big task. there is no question about it. i would disagree with bill, what bill is saying we should have a leadership contest. we have got local elections coming up in may, hugely important, we've got a weak government that is basically reneging on brexit, nobody talks about migration anymore. those are the things that we have actually got

to be concentrating on. this is a distraction, but i think a leadership race at the moment would be one hell of a distraction. i don't see how that will possibly benefit anyone. do you really want a fifth leadership contest in just over a year? well, i'm one of the councillors as well as being an mep who is up for election in may. i've actually been out there campaigning and talking to people only this weekend and the point is, if we want it get the message out there about our policies, we don't want to have on our doorstep the conversation about our ineffective and useless leader's life. we need to be getting this party back on track. today i will be resigning my pokes as a spokesman within henry's group leadership team, however i want to phrase it and i will be calling on our members to e—mail the nec telling them you want this man gone. a bad leader is no good. it would be better to have someone else in place

ora team of better to have someone else in place or a team of people if place rather than having this man dragging us down, distracting us from the job at hand. does it matter who is the leader? your share went from 12.8% in 2015, your share of the vote at that general election to over 1% in 2017, it doesn't matter who leads the party, you're a busted flush, some of our audience are saying? well, it clearly does matter who is leader of the party. nigel farage was leader when we had the good result and then he had gone when we had the bad result and the leadership team that took over didn't doa leadership team that took over didn't do a good job. so it does matter. the important thing is we ta ke matter. the important thing is we take an optimistic point of view and say ukip is here to represent the british people on a range of things, but particularly, brexit. which is currently being sold out by the day by the government, we should be battling for that and i'll be going around the country all of our branches, rallies, public meetings just like i did at the weekend and i urge our prominent people in the party to do the same, get out there and get people really focussed on understanding that freeing our country from the eu is number one

priority and let's get out there. 0k. bill is priority and let's get out there. ok. bill is resigning his position in henry bolton's leadership team, i don't know what difference that will make to henry bolton? it is not really about individual egos and everything and this party is bigger actually thanjust everything and this party is bigger actually than just one man. not anymore? yes, it is. the point is this — is that we, when we didn't have any elected representatives i would add, we moved political mountains. i think most people would agree with that. we have got the referendum. we helped win the referendum. we helped win the referendum. i say we played a vital role in that. we have had the referendum and there is no need for you anymore? that was only the first battle. it has been shown to us every single day. we have got to be there and of course, these things are terrible distractions. i was very, very angry at the latest one and it is giving people like you in the media a huge amount to talk about, but at the same time we have got to make sure that this party survives and that it doesn't become

aicationuality of the endless distractions. thank you both. thank you both. i have some comments from you about being a teenageage parent, but u nfortu nately being a teenageage parent, but unfortunately my tablet has frozen, so we will speak to meryl in yorkshire now. hi, meryl. how are you? i'm good, thank you. how old we re you? i'm good, thank you. how old were you when you gave birth?” you? i'm good, thank you. how old were you when you gave birth? i was 18. peu was 17 when i became pregnant and i was 18 when i gave birth. were you judged? yes, pregnant and i was 18 when i gave birth. were youjudged? yes, it pregnant and i was 18 when i gave birth. were you judged? yes, it was a long time ago. it was 45 years ago. and 45 years ago, young girls didn't get pregnant. my husband and i decided that we wanted to get married. my parents were very unusualfor married. my parents were very unusual for that time because they told me that they would support me whatever i decided whether to keep

the baby or not or get married or whatever. we decided to get married. my whatever. we decided to get married. my husband and i. we are now, we have two children. we have six grandchildren. we are very happy. it hadn't been a bed of roses, but we worked at it, but at the time, yes i wasjudged. worked at it, but at the time, yes i was judged. meryl, at worked at it, but at the time, yes i wasjudged. meryl, at that point i have got to pause it. i'm sorry, but i'm really grateful for your input, thank you for coming on the programme. thank you for your company today. we're back tomorrow at 9am. and the weather is turning colder over the coming days: with that we will see some snow showers to. this weather front responsible for the rain that we have been experiencing this morning. that's going through behind it. already something brighter across yorkshire and i think most of us will see some sunshine, but the risk of showers this afternoon. some of them heavy, mixed with hail and thunder and the

potential for snow on higher ground across scotland. some strong winds as well, driving the showers on. the temperatures today milder further south, but chilly further north, ranging between three to about five celsius. through tonight, we will start to see the snow showers pushing further southwards. northern parts of england, northern ireland, and scotland, even at lower levels, we could see snow and ice. so, much colder air taking charge of our weather over the coming days. you'll feel it as you step out tomorrow. so there will be sunshine. snow showers. and very strong winds by the middle of the week. this is bbc news and these are the top stories

developing at 11: one of britain's biggest construction firms, carillion, has been put into liquidation — 20,000 workers face an uncertain future. it is about a great regret that this liquidation has taken place. the government's priority rightly has been to ensure protection for key public services. this company issued three profit warnings in the last six months yet despite those profit warnings, the government still continue to grant contracts to this company. the leader of ukip says he's no longer dating a model who sent racist texts about prince harry's fiancee, meghan markle. the cost of a hard brexit for scotland's ecenomy — a warning from it could amount to more than £12 billion a year.