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today at five: thousands of jobs at risk following the collapse of the major construction and services firm carillion. the business, which employs 20,000 people in the uk, went into liquidation with debts of £900 million, as ministers defend their handling. we have been monitoring carillion closely since its first profit warning in july 2017. and since then, have planned extensively in case of the current situation and have a robust and deliverable contingency plan in place. we'll have the latest from westminster and we'll be talking to the former business secretary and lib dem leader, sir vince cable. the other main stories on bbc news at five: a coroner concludes 13—month—old poppi worthington had been is fixated before she died. in bangladesh we report on fears
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of disease among rohingya muslims in the world's biggest refugee camp. i'm in the kutupalong refugee camp, where people are living in the most and many tributes for cyrille regis, the man who led the way for black footballers in britain — he's died at the age of 59. it's five o'clock. our main story is the collapse of carillion, the major construction and outsourcing group which is involved with some of the biggest public building projects in the uk. the business, which employs 20,000 people in the uk, went into liquidation with debts of £900 million.
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it's involved in projects such as crossrail and the h52 rail link, as well as cleaning and maintenance contracts for schools, prisons and hospitals. the cabinet office minister david liddington has told mps that protecting those services would be the government's priority. labour is asking why the government awarded major contracts to carillion even after it was clear the company was in difficulties. 0ur correspondent simon gompertz has the latest. the bigger they are, the harder for everyone when they fall. carillion was the new name for a huge business taking in age—old construction brands like wimpy, alfred mcalpine, tarmac and mowlem. they don'tjust build, they manage hundreds of operating theatres for the nhs, maintain many prisons and army accommodation, and serve and provide school dinners. all that with the weight of £900 million in debt,
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and the deficit in the company pension fund of 590 million. the impact of not being able to carry on is already being felt. it's a disaster. there are thousands of subcontractors, agency labour, suppliers who won't get paid. we're already being told people aren't being paid. carillion‘s fuel cards are not working this morning. so staff trying to get to work in carillion vans cannot fill up their vans. the thing is collapsing around us. the government has this laissez faire attitude. they have got to take steps to assure people of their futures. there were desperate and fruitless rescue talks in the cabinet office in westminster. then the announcement just before seven this morning, that the official receiver had taken charge of the salvage operation. affected are 20,000 uk staff. the government has said all employees should keep coming to work, promising they will continue to get paid. there are 28,000 in the pension scheme, who may get lower pensions even though the pension protection fund will step in. customers, especially those
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using public services, have been told the government will keep funding going to keep them running. and there is an impact on the creditors. shareholders and lenders likely to lose what they put in. then there is the question over carillion projects under construction now, like this hospital which has already been delayed. it's very frustrating and i'm as frustrated as anyone else at this stage but with all that happening with the company it's impossible to give a date at the moment. the new hospital company have the right to appoint new contractors to finish the hospital and until that is done we won't be any clearer. carillion got involved in building the infrastructure for the 2022 world cup in qatar, and has had serious disputes over payments. ministers say they will not use taxpayers‘ money to bail out a private sector company but they will give
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the official receiver funds to maintain public services. david lidington faced questions from labour on why state contracts were channelled to carillion even after it warned its profits were in trouble. there were a number of tests of financial capability for potential contractors, at the timing which all of those contracts post july 2017 were bidded for and awarded carillion had met all of those mandated tests. carillion company built the original battersea power station. the group has put up much of the fabric of the uk since then including gchq, and at liverpool's anfield football stadium the new main stand. now there is an anxious wait to see which jobs can be saved, how much disruption there
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be. 0ur political correspondent ben wright is in westminster. you are monitoring the statement earlier, what about the point made by the opposition that contracts we re by the opposition that contracts were awarded after the financial difficulties were evident. what is the answer to that? their answer is that even though the government knew the profit warnings have been issued, the contracts awarded after them were so—called joint—venture companies, in other words there were private—sector companies also involved in the bid and it was made clear that if there was going to be any problem down the line with carillion, other companies involved would step in and take responsibility, and that, the government say, is what will happen in this case. david lidington is at pains to stress to mps the government were aware, have been aware for a number of months
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about what's going on, have been watching it carefully, this has not come as a surprise and there are contingency plans in place and he will chair a meeting with the emergency committee at 6:30pm this evening to discuss the contingency plans and how they are working in practice. you listen to mps from across the house over the last hour and it becomes clear firstlyjust how far reaching carillion‘s impact in delivering public services is, and how many constituents will be affected, either as employees or as receivers of the public services. david lidington faced a barrage of questions from across the house, mps wanting reassurances that employees will get paid and that public services will not be affected. that's the crucial thing, isn't it, given the nature of some of the services provided by carillion, not least in hospitals, whether ministers really are confident that there won't be any problems in this area. how confident are they? david lidington did sound confident, he
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said the government will be paying the wages of anyone in the short term while the official receiver works out the solution long—term, whether the contracts come in—house orare whether the contracts come in—house or are given to a new private—sector company to deliver. he was stressing the public services across a huge swathe of the public sector from hospitals, mod accommodation, all of that will remain unaffected. reassurance is what will david lidington was trying to do this afternoon, but that will continue despite the collapse of this company. there is the much broader question about the future of government procurement, pfi contracts. 0n commons committee has already said it will be launching an investigation into the much broader issue of how these contracts are awarded, how government procurement should be run, and certainly from the labour benches this is a key ideological difference they have with the government. they feel far too many of these contracts are
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given to big companies without sufficient scrutiny, and labour said if they win the next election they will review a whole swathe of pfi contracts and perhaps take some in—house. this was already before the collapse of carillion, sensitive contentious political territory. thank you. just to add a few lines to what then was saying before i speak to vince cable ina was saying before i speak to vince cable in a few moments, right on the theme that he was explaining about contingency planning, we are now being told the head of the civil services has been giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee and says that weeks and weeks of contingency planning has happened ahead of this event, this collapse of carillion. sirjeremy said civil serva nts of carillion. sirjeremy said civil servants have done weeks of contingency planning against the worst case scenario, which is what
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has happened today. the collapse was a bad outcome for the country, and he said contingency planning meant officials had a total understanding officials had a total understanding of the public sector contracts held by the company. it's a very important theme because of course this goes right to the heart of the way some of these services have been put out to tender in recent years, and the kind of government procurement policy ben was talking to us about. it is not bailing out companies, says sirjeremy heywood, it is continuation of services. it is making sure essential services are not interrupted. and sirjeremy said that over the last few years there have been a step change in his view in the commercial function of the civil service which meant solutions like this one that we are talking about today could be handled. so some very interesting remarks by the head of the civil service, sirjeremy hayward, very much in line with what ben was
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saying a few moments ago. let's go back to westminster because the lib dem leader and former business secretary sur vince cable is with us. do you think we have crossed a big line with this event? yes, it's not just the sheer big line with this event? yes, it's notjust the sheer magnitude of it, the enormous number of jobs reflected but it is raising questions about the way the government does business. i and my party would like to see a proper financial investigation into the contracts that have been awarded sincejuly, some contracts that have been awarded since july, some may contracts that have been awarded sincejuly, some may have been covered by guarantees to protect the taxpayer, some i don't think half. we have this very odd event of a large government guarantee for export finance being given a few days before the first profit warning, and the bigger question of a very large company with a very close relation to the government running a larger and larger pension deficit at the same time it was
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paying out more in dividends to its shareholders and bonuses to executives. there is something fundamentally wrong going on here. was there anything about the conduct 01’ was there anything about the conduct or performance of this company that bothered you while you were in government? no, it didn't surface as a major issue. the central issue i faced and we sought to deal with was the fragility of supply chains, many of the small and medium—sized companies which cannot get access to trade finance, we found that the major company in this case carillion is giving them 120 days before it pays its debts. this is something i try to deal with through the supply chain finance initiative but there isa chain finance initiative but there is a fundamental problem about the way these companies operate and the government should be looking at how to give countenance directly to the companies that do the work. do you
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get any sense the government will look at procurement generally? get any sense the government will look at procurement generally7m should do. i don't think it makes sense to take everything in—house, the government wouldn't have the capacity to do it, but some short. it should be looking at the ways in which the actual contractor, certainly the larger ones, are given the opportunity to bid directly rather than going through companies like carillion. there is a process here that needs to be properly investigated and questions too about corporate responsibility. what is outrageous about this thing here is we had the chief executive, who has pocketed £6 million and continue to pay his salary, others in the company getting very large payments, dividend is being paid to shareholders, at a time when the taxpayer is being exposed to very large risk. so how do you respond to
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that? what kind of response can there be to that situation? in the first instance we need an investigation into the conduct of the company. it does need to be brought back to centre stage. thank you for talking to us today in response to the situation with carillion. sur vince cable at westminster. talks are under way between officials from myanmar and bangladesh to decide how to repatriate hundreds of thousands of rohingya muslims who were forced to flee violence in myanmar last year. more than 650,000 rohingyas are now living in the world's largest refugee camp, kutupalong, near the port city of cox's bazar in bangladesh, and there are fears that disease will spread. many of the refugees are children. now the british government says it will provide £2 million towards the cost of vaccinating children against diphtheria. my colleague mishal husain is at kutapalong camp with the latest. let'sjoin her
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let's join her now. this one camp is home to 569,000 people, most have arrived in the last five months so this camp has been created in a very short space of time. camps like this stretch up to the border with myanmar, people living in the most basic of shelters. it is slightly more organised than it was when they first came but still it is very simple. the construction is bamboo poles with plastic sheeting put over the top. when people live in conditions like these, many in a cramped space, it is obvious that one of the immediate dangers is that of disease. when an outbreak of diphtheria was reported last month, the uk sent an emergency medical tea m the uk sent an emergency medical team to try to help bring it under control and i have been seeing the work they are doing here. four—year—old anwar has just been diagnosed with diphtheria,
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a respiratory disease that can kill. he was brought in by his mother to this clinic, set up from scratch by the uk emergency medical team. thanks to the treatment he has now been given, he should soon recover. it is for you to feel better. if a patient who has diphtheria coughs or sneezes over another person, and they inhale those droplets, that then can set up the infection in themselves. and in a situation where people are sleeping five or six to a room beside each other, a patient who has diphtheria can spread it to all the people in that cramped space very quickly. this boy, who's11, hasjust arrived at the clinic and is being checked at the triage point. he has got really big enlarged glands and he has got this membrane extended from the tonsil right back onto the back of the throat. so with everything we've seen, its pretty convincing it's diphtheria.
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he's taken through onto the ward, where the team wants to start treatment right away. but there is a problem. ok, so i've got this right. so the husband is working away? she is here with the two children, but there are three children also in the camp and they are not with any adults? no. 0k. we are doing it to protect him from getting more ill. through a translator, the doctor tries to explain why staying to be treated is so essential. it's really life—threatening stuff, and in this environment it's really difficult. so hopefully what will try and do is calm things down a little bit and just begin to at least explain to the mothers so they understand what treatment is required. but it doesn't work. his mother needs to get back to her other children, and he won't stay at the clinic on his own. you know, it's hard. we know the treatment he needs but it's very much feeling like the minute he's out of the gate, we've lost him a bit. so, yes.
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it's not a good feeling. in the end, he did return and was given the anti—diphtheria medication. the work of this clinic doesn't stop with the patients who are treated here for diphtheria. they then try to identify everyone who lives with that patient or has come into contact with them. and each of those people are then treated with a course of antibiotics. that is what happened with the family of little anwar, who is back at the clinic for a checkup. how is he doing? he is one of 11 siblings. his mother tells me he is fine and she is relieved. none of his brothers and sisters fell ill. but living conditions in the camp mean the risk of any infectious disease spreading at any time will always be high. 0ne
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one of the doctors who normally works in the a&e at saint thomas ‘s hospital is here with me now, and it was yourjob to set up this diphtheria clinic from scratch. how did you decide what needed to be done? we arrived at the collect it was finishing the building process. it is made of bamboo and tarpaulin structures but to get it ready for patients within 48 hours we needed water, electricity and latrines in place so we could start receiving patients and safely treat them for diphtheria. and it operates day and night. do you feel that diphtheria is now under control in these camps? we are finding the cases are not increasing any further, and we are feeling we are starting to get control. the major challenge at the moment is making sure the health posts know that these centres are open, they are referring patients and we are getting the message out
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to the community. and when you say health posts, you mean other smaller centres in these camps? yes, they can vary from health care centre to a doctor with some medicines in a box which are being dispensed so there's lots of little pockets and organisations working in the campus to coordinate and create a referral system so we now have zones to coordinate and create a referral system so we now have zones in the camp and the awareness to get patients sent to us so we can try to contain this outbreak. the next step in combating diphtheria and other diseases is to prevent them from occurring in the first place and thatis occurring in the first place and that is why a lot of focus is now on a vaccination programme. the uk has pledged £2 million towards that today but the world health 0rganisation were telling us the overall the campaign for the vaccinations needed to make this
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campa vaccinations needed to make this camp a safer place as far as health is concerned, it is still an underfunded campaign. that is also one of the layers of difficulty that people in this camp face. in the months ahead there are also considerable concerns about how robust this can be in the face of extreme weather, winds and possible cyclones and the intense rain of the monsoon season as well. mishal husain, thank you. and thank you to your guests. some news coming in that the lead singer of the cranberries, the irish band, has died suddenly in london at the age of 46. a statement has been put out saying dolores 0'riordan was in
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london for a recording session. family members are devastated to hear the news and have requested privacy at this difficult time. just some basic facts then, just reporting sadly that dolores 0'riordan at the age of 46, the lead singer of the irish band the cranberries has died in london. the ukip leader, henry bolton, has insisted he won't stand down in the light of racist comments attributed to his former girlfriend. jo marney has been suspended from ukip over the comments for which she's apologised. mr bolton says his romance withjo marney is over after she sent texts saying prince harry's fiancee meghan markle would taint the royal family. 0ur political correspondent ian watson has more details. another year, another leadership crisis for ukip. you will recognise him, he was in charge at the time of the
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referendum. diane james took over briefly, the nigel farage became ca reta ker briefly, the nigel farage became caretaker leader before giving way to paul nuttall. after a poor election results, henry bolton took over but he was soon morph known for his personal life than his policies. his girlfriend made racist remarks including the meghan markle would taint the royal family. jo marney said her remarks had been taken out of context but some said he had to choose between his girlfriend and hisjob and choose between his girlfriend and his job and it seems he's chosen choose between his girlfriend and hisjob and it seems he's chosen his job. she's absolutely devastated by the impact of the messages that have now come out, without in any way defending them because they are appalling and the words used are offensive and quite rightly she has been suspended from the party. so what kind of relationship do you still have? we have ended the romantic element of the relationship but i'm still fully supportive of her and her family's effort to rebuild her life. so this is not a matter of political convenience then? no, far from it. the priority in this respect is to get the party back on its feet. but some seniorfigures
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but some senior figures in the party including an mep and a former leadership contender weren't impressed and they are calling for him to go. can a party really survive an ineffectual useless leader whose only public frame is for having a scandal? unfortunately, as much as any of us don't want to have another leadership election, i don't think there's any choice. henry bolton hasn't yet saved his leadership. his party's ruling body will discuss his position on sunday. he says he only has a handful of opponents but some senior figures in the party are drawing up what they are calling an action plan to save ukip and it doesn't include him, so it is his future —— so is his future secure? we will take a couple of hits in the short term, we are
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consolidating reorganising because we are going to come back with a bit ofa we are going to come back with a bit of a storm. there doesn't seem to be any shortage of people wanting to lead ukip, the question is whether any of them can attract enough followers. jeremy corbyn has extended his influence over labour's governing body following elections to the national executive committee. jon lansman, the founder of the corbyn—supporting momentum group which wants more grassroots control over policy, was among three new members elected. the england cricketer ben stokes has been charged with affray following an incident outside a nightclub in bristol last september. the durham all—rounder hasn't played for england since the incident resulting in him missing out on the side's ashes tour in australia. two other men, ryan ali who's 28, and ryan hale who's 26, are facing the same charge. a coroner in cumbria has said that 13—month—old poppi worthington suffered a serious sexual assault before she died of asphyxia. david roberts said the account of her death by her father,
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paul worthington, didn't stand up to scrutiny. a family courtjudge previously ruled that her father, paul worthington, had probably sexually assaulted her before she died. mr worthington has never been charged with a criminal offence and denies any wrongdoing. 0ur north of england reporter fiona trott was at the inquest. tell us a these findings, the owner. very difficult findings, the owner. very difficult findings for the mother to hear during this three—hour conclusion. she was in tears in court. the inquest was brought to an end five yea rs of painful inquest was brought to an end five years of painful inquiries, investigations, involving various public bodies — the police, social services and now the coroner. the senior coroner david roberts said in the balance of probabilities her 13—month—old daughter was abused before she died. the cause of death was asphyxiation and it was also
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heard poppi worthington had a virus, and her breathing had been compromised by being put in a non—safe sleeping environment and that was being laid out on an adult bed next to herfather, paul worthington. we also heard she had received serious internal injuries before she died. fiona mickey is a solicitor for before she died. fiona mickey is a solicitorfor poppi before she died. fiona mickey is a solicitor for poppi worthington's mother. —— fiona mcghee. my client hopes that the cps will now take another look at this case. she is grateful to the coroner for the thoroughness throughout the inquest, and she's relieved that — despite the gaps in the evidence — she is now closer to the truth, however devastating that truth might be. during this inquest, paul worthington was asked whether he sexually abused his daughter, he broke down in tears and refuse to
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a nswer broke down in tears and refuse to answer the question. he refused to a nswer 252 answer the question. he refused to answer 252 questions in fact. he was quoting a rule that protects witnesses from incriminating themselves. the evidence amounts to little more than his previous accounts, it was said. back in 2016 you may remember a high courtjudge, mrjustice peterjackson, said on the balance of probabilities poppi worthington's for —— father sexually assaulted her before her death. he's a lwa ys assaulted her before her death. he's always denied any wrongdoing. his legal team have put out a statement saying "mr worthington is considering his options and they are advising him not to say anything further at this point". as for the criminal investigation itself, you
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may remember the crown prosecution service upheld its decision not to bring charges over poppi ‘s death due to insufficient evidence. a report from the cps said witnesses we re report from the cps said witnesses were not interviewed for eight months and today during the hearing the coroner david roberts said many pieces of evidence were not covered by the police, her last nappy, a bed sheet, her comfort pillow, her pyjama bottoms, the parents' laptop, their phones, the tubes used in the hospital and the blanket she was swaddled in. after the hearing today cumbria's chief constable made a statement outside the court and apologised once again for the way the investigation was handled. the family deserved a better standard of investigation on the one conducted five years ago. it is clear the initial investigation surrounding poppi 's
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initial investigation surrounding poppi '5 death has done little to assist the coroner in coming to a conclusion on how poppi died and i greatly regret this. i have previously accepted the justifiable criticism that has been directed at the constabulary. i will consider the constabulary. i will consider the detail of the coroner's conclusion and his comments today and we will be having a discussion with the crown prosecution service in orderto with the crown prosecution service in order to determine possible courses of action. now after five yea rs, courses of action. now after five years, poppi worthington's family are closer to the truth but do they feel justice has been are closer to the truth but do they feeljustice has been done? tonight both poppi worthington's family are saying they will be contacting the cps, and the police will also be contacting the cps. let's have a little more on the top
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story which is that carillion has been forced into liquidation. bernard jenkin is at westminster. thank you for talking to us will do what is your response to what has gone on? we have had the cabinet secretary and the permanent secretary from the cabinet office in front of our committee. the permanent secretary has been the lead official dealing with the consequences of the collapse of carillion and he told us today that, in fact, they have been planning for months for this worst—case eventuality and a great deal of contingency plans have been put into place which have been carried out today. that includes discussions with banks, with subcontractors, and discussions with alternative contract providers in order to make sure there is continuity in public
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services being delivered by the carillion contracts. i will come back to that point in a moment. before we do with that in more detail, how concerned are you that decisions were made about outsourcing the after the problems that carillion were evident? we are concerned. we are going to conduct an inquiry into government outsourcing and the lessons learned from the carillion collapse. what we have already been told today is that the government was already mitigating the effects of contracting with a company that looked riskier than they would have liked by ensuring that the contracts are injoint ventures. for example, the hsz are injoint ventures. for example, the hs2 contract is with two other major contractors who take over the liabilities that carillion was sharing with them. there is complete continuity there. there will be other contracts that are older. we
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will be asking why the government feels the need to let more risky companies carry on bidding for contracts when they are beginning to raise concerns. interestingly, the government is worried about being sealed by companies for being arbitrarily excluded from contracting. i don't know how big a risk that is. that is something as we need to look at. the point you made about contingency planning, how confident can the public be that these essential services, not least in hospitals and prisons, will be maintained without problem ? in hospitals and prisons, will be maintained without problem? the underlying assurance the minister made earlier today that coming to work we have important work to do and you will be paid is the most important assurance that is made. those extra payments may not indeed finish up with the taxpayer at all
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because, of course, very often, with a hospital catering contract for example, the contract will pay for those services through the contractor. they are now paying the administrator and not the company. do you accept as some have said today, what has happened has raised enormous queries about the framework of outsourcing? i do accept that. i think public confidence will take a jolt from this and with some justification. it is the job of my committee to see what lessons can be learned and to make sure they are learned and to make sure they are learned in order that the public can have confidence in their public services, however they are delivered. let's also remember government sometimes fail to deliver public services effectively and there is no guarantee that public services will be delivered safely and effectively, either by the private sector or the public sector. we have to make sure that the right
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people are in place, going to the bright meteors, making the right decisions and judgments, and in this case, it looks as though the system became a little blind to the risks that carillion was carrying from its private commercial constructing business. let's hope these contracts can be continued and perhaps even that the management of these... the leaders of the public contracting side of the business, which is a viable business, could carry on this business in some new way, leaving aside the riskier activities that carillion was undertaking in the private sector. we have to leave it there. bernard jenkin, the conservative mp, with his views at westminster. §éi 52.
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are likely. —— a swathe. this is bbc news. the headlines. thousands ofjobs are at risk, following the collapse of the major construction and services firm, carillion. the government is to hold an emergency cobra meeting to look at contingency plans. a coroner in cumbria has concluded the 13 month —year—old poppy worthington was sexually assaulted before she died from asphyxiation. the cranberries singer dolores 0'riordan has died in london at the age of 46 — her publicist has confirmed. the england cricketer ben stokes has been charged with affray, following an incident outside a bristol nightclub. now for the sport to catch up with
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the news. ryan giggs has been appointed wales manager on a four—year contract — succeeding chris coleman, who left for sunderland in november. the manchester united legend was in charge at old trafford in a caretaker role forjust four games after david moyes was sacked in 2014 and spent the next two seasons as louis van gaal‘s assistant. giggs won 64 caps for wales between 1991 and 2007 but was unpopular with some wales fans for missing many internationals, especially friendlies. but he says he can't to take wait to start. iam going i am going to give it my all. like i have always done. when i play for my country i give it my all. i love playing for my country. now is probably the proudest moment of my life to lead the welsh nation into the next two to four years. with the euros and then the world cup but we haven't been in a world cup since
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1958. want to get this group of players and want to be part of that. paul lambert is the new stoke city manager. he's signed a two—and—a—half year contract and takes over from mark hughes, who was sacked just over a week ago. lambert has been out of work since leaving wolves at the end of last season. he joins a stoke side who're 18th in the premier league table, a point away from safety. tributes are being paid to the former west bromwich albion footballer, cyrille regis, who has died at the age of 59. he led the way for black footballers in britain in the 70s and 80s, facing racial abuse from the terraces before going on to play for england. honoured by the queen for services to football ten years ago, he is thought to have suffered a heart attack last night. here's our sports correspondent andy swiss. we just taking it well on the chest. a lovely piece of control by regis. what a great shot! 0ne a lovely piece of control by regis. what a great shot! one of the goals of the season. when it comes to
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making an impact, few can match cyrille regis. his talent emerged at west brom in the 1970s, a time when there were a few high—profile black players. with team—mates brendan braxton and laurie cunningham, regis set about changing that. regis is going it alone. he has got the power. does he have the boys? he has. not everyone was cheering for the regis was often subjected to racist abuse from the stands. when he was handed his england debut coming even received a bullet through the post was that nothing would stop him. we were used to about 10,000 people shouting racist abuse at you, throwing bananas on the pitch and monkey chance and so on. i took it as if someone was trying to intimidate me. after becoming a west brom legend, regis moved to coventry. in 1987 he helped
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them lift the fa cup. even after retiring as a player, his influence continued. he was awarded an mbe, a role model for a new generation of black footballers, inspired by his dignity and determination. cyril was the first real footballer that i really looked at and thought, that could be me. i think if you spoke to anybody in the neighbourhood where i grew up, it was the same. here was this big, strong, black, athletic centre forward, who everybody wanted to be. at west brom this morning, the flag was a half mast as fans paid their respects. he treated eve ryo ne paid their respects. he treated everyone with kindness and respect. cyril regis, far more than a player, a footballing pioneer. tributes to cyrille regis, who has died at the age of 59.
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over to melbourne now and kyle edmund is through to round two of the australian open for only the second time in his career. he might be the only british male in the draw, but he enjoyed his biggest win to date, beating the 11th seed kevin anderson in five sets. he'll face denis istomin next. just overall, for personal satisfaction, the hours you put in, the training, etc. so many things like that. those results just make it just really feel good like that. those results just make itjust really feel good and worth itjust really feel good and worth it basically. really happy. that's all the sport for now. i'll have more for you in sportsday at half past six. more on the main story... the colla pse more on the main story... the collapse of carillion. debts of £900. big question about the way the government outsources contracts and
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private provision comes into the public sector. this is a very sensitive area of debate. bronwen maddox is the director of the institute for government —— and is here with me now. that is the expert institute in terms of the way the government works. good to have you with us. what is it about this dreadful episode, it is a dreadful episode? what makes you make people rethink the outsourcing of government co ntra cts ? the outsourcing of government contracts? it is a big company, a p pa re ntly contracts? it is a big company, apparently suddenly in acute trouble with lots of jobs apparently suddenly in acute trouble with lots ofjobs at risk. services are at risk and people are right to ask those questions i'm right to say, was the government doing enough to oversee it? it seems to be in some cases that may not be true. there are some bigger questions about whether the model is right overall. i think we should not rush to throughout the whole model or to say it is all not working because
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you get occasional cases like this. the point of outsourcing is to try to get better prices for the public to do this stuff more cheaply. private companies can, sometimes, do this stuff more cheaply. in a lot of cases that has worked. the question is whether the government has picked the right areas to do it in. it has done some things like catering and construction but it does work because there is a market innards and companies can compete, drive down the price and you can measure performance. you can safely if it is a good road or does not work at all. you cannot say that the prison services or probation. i'm not sure it should ever have been outsourced in the way it should have been. there is a strategic question. then you have difficult management questions about whether the government was looking closely enough at this or whether it had alternatives. all of this relies on the sense they would be a market in the sense they would be a market in the companies there to pick up the
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pieces if one goes under, the government over the years, the decades, have allowed the emergence ofa decades, have allowed the emergence of a few very big companies that do all kinds of things. it essentially much harder to talk about competition and being able to tra nsfer competition and being able to transfer and competition and being able to tra nsfer a nd contest competition and being able to transfer and contest these things because there are so few of them. that is another big question. the scope of activity is very important. let's come back to that in a moment. to ask your blunt question before then,is to ask your blunt question before then, is it your sense the government had taken its eye off the ball in the last four, five months when this was evident at carillion? should any contracts have been awarded or not? we do not know enough to say about that. there are pointed questions. why were more contracts out there? were the signs that appeared to be evident in the summer picked up properly by government officials or did they really wait till november when the
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company made very public profit warnings that were impossible to have a look? one parliamentary committee is going to launch an inquiry into some of these questions. and into the whole questions. and into the whole question of outsourcing. on the wider issue, you mentioned for example prison services and that kind of thing, areas where you think are kind of thing, areas where you think a re less kind of thing, areas where you think are less appropriate or areas that are less appropriate or areas that a re less are less appropriate or areas that are less justifiable in terms of outsourcing. what would be the rationale? how would you define those areas that are acceptable or not acceptable? if i may add to that question, is it your sense that government now shares that view about where that line should be? to a nswer about where that line should be? to answer the second question first, we are talking about a series of governments, over 20 years or so. it has got rather blurred about what works and what does not. what works is when there is a market and you can measure it and when the thing
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thatis can measure it and when the thing that is being delivered is not so integral to your idea of government that it integral to your idea of government thatitis integral to your idea of government that it is an ordinary person who will be distressed by the idea of a company doing it. and whether that really compromise is what is being done. with cleaning in hospitals, it sounds perfect for outsourcing but it is so integral as to what hospitals can do for them so important as to the quality of what came out, the care that was given, but that was not so good in many cases. i think it is right to look at all of this but i think it would bea at all of this but i think it would be a real shame to throw it all out because governments have actually got much, much better at getting a good dealfor the got much, much better at getting a good deal for the taxpayer, got much, much better at getting a good dealfor the taxpayer, that got much, much better at getting a good deal for the taxpayer, that is striking these contracts, much more professional and more commercial, to the point whether companies are finding it quite hard going now. some of that provided there is an alternative, some of that is all to the good because it is for the
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benefit payers in the end. thank you very much indeed. let's stay on this. the carillion pension scheme is something i want to discuss. it has a deficit of £600 million. i dashes of the highly likely that as it isa dashes of the highly likely that as it is a source of anxiety for those who will be pensioners. your thoughts on this and the kind of concerns that people will have today? the 28,000 people who are in a series of... there are a number of different carillion pension schemes. they should not be losing too much sleep. what is happening today is that each of the schemes will go into the pension lifeboat, the pension protection fund, set up by the labour government 12 years ago. that provides compensation for people whose companies go bust. the
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compensation that people will receive is not 100% but it is not far off. i don't think the 28,000 people who are in the carillion pension schemes will be losing too much sleep. it is the sustainability, looking far ahead in the future at 15, 20 years, that is their confidence is shaken. the future at 15, 20 years, that is their confidence is shakenlj the future at 15, 20 years, that is their confidence is shaken. i have been a huge critic and a huge supporter of the pension protection fund. it does do what it says on the tin. it has a surplus of about £6 billion. it is worth saying when you go into the pension protection fund, whether you are a pensioner, during your pension or have not started to draw your pension, the rules are quite complex. i don't want to generalise. 0verall you are probably losing maybe 10%, maybe 20%, in some cases, in all cases, the inflation increase your get year 1 you cases, in all cases, the inflation increase your get year1 you will be
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less tha n increase your get year1 you will be less than you are expecting that if you have not yet retired to take a 10% haircut but the cash is more generous. it is quite congregated. 0verall, people get between 80% and 90%. the pension protection fund has been pretty well—run and it has a big enough surplus to take the hit they will be taking from carillion, which i have to say, by the way, my estimate is it is about £800 million. that would make it, i think, the largest singlet, i am not aware of other companies are that large. there has been a lot of talk about bhs. that would have been about bhs. that would have been about £215 million, to put in some perspective. anyone in the pension protection fund, there are about 800 schemes are now already, they should not be losing any sleep over being in the ppf. i think you'll be people watching thinking, 20%, if you are
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looking at a 20% hit on a pension scheme, that is hurt. that will hurt. i agree. if i was scheme, that is hurt. that will hurt. iagree. if i was taking scheme, that is hurt. that will hurt. i agree. if i was taking a 2096 hit on my pension scheme i would not be very happy. you go back to the old days and before the pension protection fund, you might end up only having 20% and notjust losing 20%. you do get some opportunity for belt tightening. in very specific cases you do not take an immediate hit and the inflation protection you get is a bit less. as ever getting saved 3% yeah, you might only get 2% the year. i am not being complacent. 0ver ten good 20 years, that hurts. nevertheless the pension protection fund does what it says on the tin. 80% of something is better than 20% of 100% of nothing. 80% of something is better than 20% of 10096 of nothing. good of you to come into share your views on that.
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john ralph talking to us from nottingham. thanks to him for joining us. hundreds ofjobs are at risk in northern ireland in the housing sector. let's talk to our ireland correspondent, chris page, who is in belfast. what has been said? carillion have about 500 workers in northern ireland. half are involved in government commissioned work. the northern ireland housing executive, northern ireland housing executive, northern ireland's biggest landlord, owns 86,000 homes carillion has major contracts with the housing executive. 0fficials major contracts with the housing executive. officials at the executive. officials at the executive had known that carillion was in trouble. they have put into place contingency plans to pass on the work to other providers. members
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of the unite union have had a meeting this afternoon. they have voted unanimously to demand they are taken directly voted unanimously to demand they are ta ken directly into voted unanimously to demand they are taken directly into public sector employment. they say the housing executive should employ them directly. the union has met with the housing executive in the past and said they have received assurances aboutjobs said they have received assurances about jobs that said they have received assurances aboutjobs that have been alarmed that this morning carillion workers turned up for work and were told to go home again. the housing executive says it is looking for clarification about the future status of carillion workers. it says its tenants are in properties where curly and had been due to carry out work in the coming days and they may be facing disruption. people have made the point this is the perfect example of a situation where things could potentially be much better if there we re potentially be much better if there were a devolved government in place to speak on behalf of workers make the case to organisations like the housing executive to step in and try
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to make things better. the stormont executive collapsed more than a year ago. there have been a group of politicians at stormont. they have tried to hammer out a cross—party consensus so it can make the case to agencies like the housing executive and others who give contracts to carillion in northern ireland in order to ensure those jobs are protected. many thanks for bringing us protected. many thanks for bringing us up on the potential impact on jobs in northern ireland. as we have been reporting, the lead singer of the band, the cranberries, has died at the age of 46. #do has died at the age of 46. # do you have to let it linger? # do you have to let it linger? #do # do you have to let it linger? # do you have to let it linger? # do you have to let it linger. she is remembered for her impassioned vocals on the protest song, zombie.
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she was in london for a short recording session when she died suddenly. let's speak to our entertainments correspondent. very sudden. the publicist earlier saying there were no other details full. have you managed to find anything else out about what happened? we have very few details. very young, 46 years old she was in london for a recording session. no other details apart from the fact as, you can understand, her family are devastated and have asked for. the cranberries are one of the biggest rock acts of the 1990s. part of that success , rock acts of the 1990s. part of that success, a huge degree of that success, a huge degree of that su ccess was success, a huge degree of that success was down to the celtic, lilting vocals of dolores reardon. they sold tens of millions of albums across the world. they took a break
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from 2003 to 2000 and 94 that she recorded some solo material that they came back together and have been recording again. very sad news for fans of her and the cranberries. a real loss was that she was of a talented singer, songwriter, he made a huge impact in the 1990s and beyond. undoubtedly there will be a lot of tributes paid in the next few hours. so many irish acts. so many acts generally. they had admiration from bands all over the world. expect a big reaction over the next few hours. more details to come out. the very sad news that she has sadly died at the age of 46. the great, great talent. thank you. george is here with the bbc news at six in a few minutes and i will be back at ten p:m.. now few minutes and i will be back at ten p: m.. now for the few minutes and i will be back at ten p:m.. now for the weather. lots of showers. most of the showers
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have been falling as rain. particularly across parts of scotland. this picture from the isle of lewis and this one from stirling and you can see the shower clouds in the sky. the showers will increasingly be turning wintry. we have already started to see snow in the high ground in scotland. we are feeding in cold airfrom the high ground in scotland. we are feeding in cold air from the north—west. the strong wind will touch gale force from exposed spots at times. it will generally be cold, often very windy with quite a few wintry showers giving a covering of snow in some places. as we head through the evening, it is the process of the showers increasingly turning wintry, initially over high ground but even to lower levels later in the night. most of the showers will fall as rain, where it
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will be fairly mild. in the north, cold enough for frost and some ice. your commute tomorrow morning across scotla nd your commute tomorrow morning across scotland could be tricky. lots of showers and icy stretches. temperatures hovering around freezing. snow showers to relatively low levels. a similar story in the north of england. further south into midlands, wales, the south—west, many showers will be falling as rain. no surprise to see snow mixed in over the higher ground. as we head through the day we will keep the showers coming, feeding in from the showers coming, feeding in from the north west, the wind touching gale force in places. it will feel cold. in fact, when we add on the strength of the winds, it will feel subzero across many northern areas. wednesday on the face of it, a similar looking day. we will see sunshine and wintry showers were still a blustery wind and a cold field. behind me here, the first
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sign of something a bit different on wednesday night will be watching carefully as this area of low pressure approaches for stock likely to bea pressure approaches for stock likely to be a deep low on the southern flank where we have the isobars. severe gales in places. we could see severe snow across the central belt of scotland. we will be back in the north—westerly winds with a mix of sunshine and showers late on thursday. there are met office weather warnings in force. you can read about those online. tonight at 6:
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20,000 jobs at risk after debt—ridden carillion goes into liquidation. from roads and hospitals to school dinners and prisons, the company held massive public sector contracts. we have been monitoring carillion closely since its first profit warning injuly 2017, and since then have planned extensively in case of the current situation. but that leaves questions for ministers — why was carillion given work on projects like hs2 when they knew it was in trouble? the cabinet's emergency committee has been meeting today. also tonight... an inquest into toddler poppi worthington's death finds she was sexually assaulted before she died. england's cricket all rounder ben stokes is charged with affray after last year's brawl outside a bristol pub.
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