tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News February 19, 2018 9:00am-11:01am GMT
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hello, it's monday, it's 9am, i'm victoria derbyshire — welcome to the programme. our top story... the prime minister is to launch a year—long review of how higher education is funded, admitting that england has one of the most expensive university systems. also on the programme... serial paedophile football coach barry bennell will be sentenced today for abuse on an "industrial scale" committed on young boys in his care. these men abused by bennell told us how important it is for them to see him in person in court today. i will be there and i will like him in the eye. it is important for you that he is there? it is important for me personally to get that closure and hopefully to hear the judge say... well, hopefully, life in prison. even up to his last second he should be shown no remorse. i want to have that
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opportunity to look him in the eye and show him that i have power now, you does not have that power over me. micky fallon, abused by bennell from the age of 13, will read us part of his victim impact statement. plus, will last week's florida school shooting mark a change in gun control laws in america? we know that there are mental health issues and i am not a psychologist, but we need to pay attention to the fa ct but we need to pay attention to the fact that this isn't just a mental health issue. he would not have hurt that many students with a knife! three students who survived last weeks gun attack tell us why they're telling american politica ns "enough is enough". and... three billboards outside ebbing, missouri has dominated the bafta film awards, winning five trophies. it focuses on a woman looking for justice, played by francis
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mcdormand, who picked up best actress. i have a little trouble with compliance. laughter. but i want you to know that i stand in full solidarity with my sisters tonight in black. power to the people. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until ”am this morning. later we will talk about an interesting report out today on employee is‘ attitudes to women who work for them who happened to become pregnant. according to the survey this morning, the majority of bosses think women should have to disclose if they are pregnant at a job interview. they don't have to do that. while a third think it is ok to ask women about their plans for children, which is against the law. if you have been discriminated against because you are pregnant, get in touch with us this morning.
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we will speak to a woman who was sacked by her organisation, a women's organisation, when she was on maternity leave. our top story today... theresa may will launch a year—long review of how higher education is funded, admitting that england has one of the most expensive systems of tuition in the world. in a speech later, the prime minister will say she shares the concerns of students and parents about the cost of getting a degree. labour has accused the government of simply kicking the problem into the long grass. let's talk to norman, who is at westminster. what kind of things will be discussed, do you think, over the next year? we are told everything is on the table except for one thing, which is the tuition fee system, that is going to stay, but the view amongst ministers is that the current system is just not working, that the costs are simply too steep and it is not good value for money. so the sorts of things they want to look at is whether they can encourage
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universities to provide shorter courses, maybe two year courses so you courses, maybe two year courses so you do not run up such a long bill —— sucha you do not run up such a long bill —— such a big bill. also encouraging more students to do computer courses, to live at home and go to their local university, but of course the big ticket item is the overall level of fees, with pretty much every university charging the maximum ofjust over £9,000 for pretty much every course. don't hold your breath for the government to put those fees, there is not likely to be legislation forcing the fees down, in part i think because if the government were to do that there will be howls of outrage claiming it was a middle—class tax subsidy. what they seem to be talking about is trying to arm prospective students with more information about courses and thejob with more information about courses and the job prospects they have, the sort of salaries they have, in the hope that youngsters will say, well, i will not do that cause because it is probably not going to lead to a very well—paid job, so fewer would
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do the course, therefore universities might think, we will have to make those causes more attractive and cut the level of fees, and they hope that way to create more of a market system in universities and thereby reduce some of the fees for the less worthwhile causes. thanks, norman, for the moment. if you are a student, we would like to hear from you. what would you like to hear from theresa may today? if you are perhaps looking at going to university in the future, or somebody who would rather pursue the technical qualification side, do get in touch. you can messages on twitter, there is whatsapp, and there is our facebook page which is getting pretty big now, thanks to you! let's get the rest of the morning ‘s news. here's annita. an internal 0xfam report on the sexual misconduct of some of its staff in haiti in 201! has revealed that three of the men involved physically threatened witnesses during the investigation. the charity has published the document for the first time, saying it wants to be
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as transparent as possible. here's our diplomatic correspondent, james landale. in the wake of the earthquake in haiti in 2010, seven of the 0xfam staff sent there to help left because as a result of their unacceptable behaviour. an internal report published today shows one was dismissed and three resigned for using prostitutes on 0xfam premises. two more were dismissed for bullying and intimidation, one of whom also downloaded pornography. and another man was sacked for failing to protect staff. the report says three of the suspects physically threatened witnesses during the investigation. the ii—page document makes various recommendations, including finding better mechanisms for informing other aid agencies about so—called problem staff. this is something 0xfam appears to have ignored, as roland van hauwermeiren, the charity's director in haiti, went on to work for another aid organisation in bangladesh, even though the charity says he resigned for using prostitutes.
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parts of the reports are blacked out to hide people's identities, but 0xfam says it has given an unredacted copy to haitian ministers, whom senior managers from the charity will meet later today. james landale, bbc news. former football coach barry bennell will be sentenced today for historical sexual assaults committed on young boys in his care. the 64—year—old, who worked with manchester city and crewe alexandra's youth teams, was convicted of 50 child sex offences at liverpool crown court. the former scout is thought to have abused more than 100 boys over a period spanning three decades. the equality and human rights commission says a survey of 1100 employers it commissioned has revealed "antiquated" attitudes to recruiting women. the poll found that more than half believed a woman should have to say if she was pregnant during the recruitment process, and 44% thought women should work for a firm for at least a year before having children. the mother of a seriously ill
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six—year—old boy has described a government decision to deny him cannabis treatment as astonishing. hannah deacon wants ministers to approve a medical cannabis license to help her son, alfie, who rare form of epilepsy improved after taking the drug. she has pleaded for help to overturn the decision, saying cannabis oil is safer for her son than his present treatment. former shareholders in the collapsed construction giant carillion are calling for its management to be investigated. some have told mps that the compa ny‘s executives must have known — or should have known — about its cash flow problems well before it went into liquidation last month. at the same time, say mps, investors were "fleeing for the hills". mps are to scrutinise the pension schemes at the retail empire of topshop boss sir philip green. frank field, chairman of the work and pensions committee, said the move follows claims sir philip was in talks to sell all or part of his business.
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newspaper reports say the billionaire has held talks with a chinese textiles giant. a group of american teenagers who survived a school shooting in florida have announced a national march on washington to demand political action on gun control. they say they're determined that the mass shooting, in which 17 people died, will be a turning point in the debate about guns. the bank of england says more than £2 billion worth of old £10 notes need to be spent or exchanged in the next 10 days. the notes, featuring charles darwin, cease to be legal tender on 1st march. three billboards 0utside ebbing, missouri, a film about a mother seeking justice for her daughter's murder, was the big winner at the bafta awards last night. it won five prizes, including best film and best actress for frances mcdormand. the theme ofjustice and equality for women dominated the event, with most guests wearing black to show solidarity with campaigns
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against abuse and harassment. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30am. this message from andy about university tuition fees in the future, he suggests courses for engineers, scientists, doctors and nurses should be subsidised but all others should pay the full costs for their course. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport... sonali is with us, and there has been drama for team gb in curling at the winter olympics? yes, there has, lots of qualification events going on today soa qualification events going on today so a busy morning so far for the brits and it went to the wire with a curling but great britain's men made it four wins from seven. it was tight throughout, nail—biting stuff, and eventually they came through 7—6 against denmark which puts them in a
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strong position to earn a place in the last four, that crucial last four. just after 11am, great britain's women take on switzerland after the hog line controversy yesterday. less tha n yesterday. less than two years after being told she may never skate again, ice dancer penny combs and her partner nick butler and have qualified for the final. earlier this morning they finished in tenth place ahead of tomorrow's free dance, where the medals are decided after two routines. this routine was partly choreographed by christopher dean who won 0lympic choreographed by christopher dean who won olympic gold alongsidejane torvill in 1984. and there were mixed fortunes out on the snowboard team gb? this was where the dramatic action happened, those spectacles, and a great morning for row in cheshire in the freestyle skiing half pipe event. her performance was good enough to qualify for the finals but u nfortu nately enough to qualify for the finals but unfortunately the other brit in the competition, molly summerhays, missed out. huge disappointment for
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amy fuller in the snowboarding big air event. this is making its debut at this year's games. she fell on both of her attempts, including a huge crash in her second jump, so her 0lympics huge crash in her second jump, so her olympics is over. it looks like herface took her olympics is over. it looks like her face took the brunt of the iceberg. this is her tweet this morning. took wanted the grill were her words. but she say she is proud and will keep on smiling. just one more story... away from the winters, tottenham's collective ego may be feeling bruised this morning, the romance of the fa cup evident for all to see over the weekend as the club that is bottom of league 1, rochdale, held high—flying spurs to a 2—2 drawer. they have got a replay at wembley thanks to this injury time equaliserfrom at wembley thanks to this injury time equaliser from steve at wembley thanks to this injury time equaliserfrom steve davis. spurs took the lead with kane penalty but the joy belonged to rochdale in the end on their big day
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out at wembley. we knew, having gone 1—0 up in the first half, we knew what would come in the second half. although the players got a little bit did, they responded superbly, their heads could have gone down after the penalty and i feel as though we got a deserved equaliser. that is all the sport for now. thank you, sonali. more throughout the morning. paedophile football coach barry bennell will be sentenced today for historical sexual assaults committed on young boys in his care. the 64—year—old was convicted of 50 child sexual offences, but the court heard those charges reflected the "industrial scale" with which he targeted his victims. the former crewe alexandra coach and manchester city scout is thought to have abused more than 100 boys over a period spanning three decades. the scale of his abuse was made clear after our interview with these four players in november 2016, which prompted dozens more
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victims to come forward. after bennell‘s conviction last week, we caught up with three of those players — andy woodward, steve walters and chris unsworth — and a fourth, gary cliffe, who told us how important it would be to see him in court today. i have waited two and half years, basically, to sit here with you to speak about this. i came forward in september 2015, and i suppose you could say i have waited over 30 yea rs, really. i could say i have waited over 30 years, really. i myself got seven cou nts years, really. i myself got seven counts guilty, six counts on tuesday, i had to wait a day and then yesterday i got my final count of guilty to make seven, but what i can say to you, victoria, is if people think this is horrific, this is not even scratching the surface. you know and i know the real number
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is tenfold in terms of offences and lads affected by this. when you were hearing the verdict come in for each offence, guilty, guilty, guilty, that must have been just so emotionalfor all that must have been just so emotional for all of that must have been just so emotionalfor all of you? that must have been just so emotional for all of you? yes, it was a roller—coaster, that day, they did not all come in, so, you know, the first ones came in, i had five charges read out, all of them guilty, the boy next to me, he did not. just a roller—coaster. none of us could celebrate until we all heard the guilty verdict. it felt as though... it felt as though my charges were guilty, perhaps somebody else waiting on a verdict, and we will all in this all together. you will be in the same court room as him on monday, as
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sentencing happens, when he is in the room to hear what punishment he will get for what he did to you, how do you feel like about seeing him face—to—face? do you feel like about seeing him face-to-face? i know i do you feel like about seeing him face-to-face? i know! have said that i want to have my day with him, i want to look him in the eye, see him face—to—face, and we did not get that chance. when the trial was going on. monday, i will be there, i will look him in the eye. it is important for you that he is... yes, for me, it is important, personally, to get that closure, and hopefully to get that closure, and hopefully to hear thejudge say, life. hopefully, life in prison. that will be the final chapter of our closure. give us the opportunity to move on. and this man, up to his last seconds, shown no remorse, i want the opportunity to look him in the eye and show him, i am over you now,
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he does not have power over me. i'm so pleased that i did do this, because now, with initially steve and chris being on the couch, and gary in the background, doing stuff, you know, this has highlighted this, and hopefully, it will save so many lives. because we cannot lose anyone else. what is more important is that football in general now, they are standing up and they are accountable for what happened in the past but more a importantly, that we can move things forward now. this guy, he knew what he was doing, and he rapped everyone around his little finger. basically. steve recently lost his mother, my father passed away in august. at least we have been able to give our parents that release. i know that my dad is up there watching, steve's mother is, as well, able to give them that
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release, that they were not on their own... they were all manipulated, like every parent has been. my mother was diagnosed with lung cancer, in february, and passed away injune. i hope that she is up there, watching down. she was my rock. it has been hard. my dad was my best friend, he watched me all the way through, never missed a game, my mother and father, they went all over the country. i know my mother is watching now, she is really proud of me, finding it really proud of me, finding it really ha rd, really proud of me, finding it really hard, but i am so proud of them and the way of the dignity,
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with which they have dealt with all of this, it is hard for parents. there will be parents out there suffering from this. i will say something that no parent in this country who has been affected by barry bennell should have any guilt orany shame, barry bennell should have any guilt or any shame, because he manipulated everybody. and he is responsible. he manipulated everybody. that was on friday. we can speak now to micky fallon, one of bennell‘s victims, who will be reading his victim impact statement in court today. he has waived his right to anonymity to talk to us. thank you for coming on the programme. not a problem, good morning. tell us what sort of punishment you are hoping for today. todayis
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today is our day today, hopefully he will be put away and never see the light of day again. that would probably be the perfect day, the perfect ending for us, this man does not deserve to walk in normal society. you are going to read your victim impact statement out in court this morning, what are some of the things that you will want to tell the court room, and to tell barry bennell? so, the impact on me personally, over 33 years has been quite devastating. from 13, when this happened to me, my dreams of being a football player pretty much diminished. idid being a football player pretty much diminished. i did stay at crewe alexandra until the age of 18 but my heart was never in it, i had chances to go to other football clubs but i wanted to move home, i moved home andi wanted to move home, i moved home and i never moved away from plymouth after that. i feel like the
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and i never moved away from plymouth after that. ifeel like the impact on my football career was pretty damning. but in terms of as an adult, subconsciously, what you carry with you, that dirty secret, quite devastating. there were very similar stories, my personal story, in my early 20s, i could not cope with it, i turned to alcohol, it took me two years to get myself through counselling, in terms of being alcohol dependent, and that culminated in me trying to take my own life. i don't think anyone can underestimate the impact that carrying this kind of secret has on you, not just as carrying this kind of secret has on you, notjust as a child but has on you, notjust as a child but has on you when you move forward in your aduu you when you move forward in your adult life, it can be pretty devastating. you only told your partner about the abuse you had endured after watching the interview on this programme in november, 2016,
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when those former players spoke out about what barry bennell had done to them. when you watched those men, what effect did that have on you? them. when you watched those men, what effect did that have on you ?|j cannot what effect did that have on you?” cannot explain the feelings, watching, steve, who was my friend, before we even went to crewe we grew up before we even went to crewe we grew up together, we were mates, seeing him sat on the sofer, it hit me like a train. —— sat on the sofa. it was my moment to realise i had to confront this, to be brave enough to come out with my secret, and deal with it, or, do i deny, do i deny myself, and deny people like steve, brave enough to sit there, to acknowledge there is other is out there. it hit me hard, personally i thought it was the right thing to do, to come forward, and to show
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that actually, the scale of this, it is fairly phenomenal. the first time you were abused by barry bennell was over christmas, you were staying at his home, you moved up from plymouth to crewe, steve walters moved as well, close friend of yours, staying there, over christmas, with several of the boys, in the early 1980s. we can show an image of you on christmas day, with a couple of the other boys, that the audience will be familiar with, andy woodward and steve waltzer. barry bennell‘s alsatian dog had bitten you on the cheek and barry bennell would not ta ke cheek and barry bennell would not take you to hospital despite the fa ct take you to hospital despite the fact you were bleeding heavily, you we re fact you were bleeding heavily, you were really vulnerable that day, thatis were really vulnerable that day, that is when the abuse began. yes, christmas eve, the dog bit me, christmas eve, the dog bit me, christmas eve morning. i clearly needed hospital treatment, iwas denied that opportunity by barry bennell, he would not take me to
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hospital, took me to a pharmacist, pharmacist said, he needs medical attention, he would not do that. i guess that is all part of his grooming process. i was vulnerable, 13 years old, first christmas away from my parents, and i believe that the use that opportunity as an opportunity to take my vulnerability and... as you will see from what i have described in evidence in court, that moved onto driving us around manchester, scaremongering about the places we were driving through, taking us back to watch a horror movie, at the age of 12, with a pet puma walking around. come and have a cuddle, you must be feeling upset, vulnerable, that was the grooming, that was how it started. on occasion, you would wake up in his house, because he was abusing you. that was terrifying. it is
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terrifying. i was a young boy. you would see from the pictures, people will clearly see, i may well have been 13 but probably, body wise, mentality wise, i was a late developer, i was a lot younger. i was a really young boy and for that to happen in the middle of the night, i was petrified. to happen in the middle of the night, iwas petrified. every to happen in the middle of the night, i was petrified. every time i had to stay there, i would run to the top bunk, and that top bunk, he still got to me but that was safety for me. that was safety. we have had state m e nts for me. that was safety. we have had statements from crewe and from then manager dario gradi, now director of football, suspended by the fa, they say they did not know what barry bennell was doing, they say it was 1994 before he realised what had been going on. what a risk he was.
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cooperating with enquiries, running their own enquiry. is it feasible that others at the time, other adults did not know what a risk barry bennell was? my own personal opinion on this matter is very clear, i think it is clear to everyone, the scale that this abuse happened throughout these years. access to children, i personally find it hard to believe that no other adults understood, even if it was just the potential risk that they were putting us under. ifind that hard to believe over the years, that hard to believe over the years, that nobody even had any such suspicions. we are showing a picture of you with dario gradi and barry bennell. and also other teams used to call you, what, they would call you... yes, it was well known, we are talking 30 odd years ago, people
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would call us, here come the paedophile boys... crewe alexandra had a reputation back then for that kind of thing, we would get called that at the age of 12, 13, 14, 15, that at the age of12,13,14,15, it was not uncommon. why did you wa nt to it was not uncommon. why did you want to speak out? i sprained the connection, for me speaking out now, this is not so much about me, i am 46 years old, it happened to me a long time ago, this now is all about the future. and making sure that this cannot happen again, notjust in football but sport in general, this type of thing cannot happen, children need to be able to play sport and be safe from doing so, and the work with the offside trust, thatis the work with the offside trust, that is one of the reasons why i have waved my right to anonymity, i wa nt to have waved my right to anonymity, i want to speak out and show the devastating effect that child abuse can have a and we need to work with
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the authorities within football, within sport, and make sure that safeguarding children at all levels, grassroots rugby way through to premier league, is as tight as it can be. everyone talks about historical child abuse, but this still goes on today. different scale but we know it is still going on today. what are your thoughts towards barry bennell?” today. what are your thoughts towards barry bennell? i have no feelings for that man whatsoever, todayis feelings for that man whatsoever, today is my day, and it is the rest of the lads's day, i can walk into court with my head held high, but the first time, throughout this trial, i can walk through without my stomach going... all of that guilt and feeling of being ashamed and carrying that secret, today, for me, will be transferred to that man. the minute he gets his sentence and is put away, that man is nothing to me, nothing to any of the others, we can
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put into one side and we can forget about him. we can neverforget put into one side and we can forget about him. we can never forget about the abuse, but we can forget about him, he will be nothing to us. thank you so much for speaking with us, we really appreciate it. mickey will be in court today to hear what punishment barry bennell will receive. 0ur reporterjim reed has been following this story. sentencing around midday, very important, as has been eloquently explained by mickey fallon, not least the fact this, through this five—week trial, barry bennell was never actually in court in person, having evidence by video link from woodhill prison, near malton keynes, because of ill—health, he has cancer, fed through a chew, a decision was made that he does not have too attend. his lawyers made a similar argument about sentencing, thejudge has similar argument about sentencing, the judge has refused similar argument about sentencing, thejudge has refused that, so we are expecting him to be in court for
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the first time today. liverpool crown court, fairly small courtroom, you can imagine a lot of the complainants, the victims in the case will be there, first time they will have seen in this trial barry bennell face—to—face, will have seen in this trial barry bennellface—to—face, said will have seen in this trial barry bennell face—to—face, said at the start, then they will have the opportunity to give the victim impact statements. they all get to go in the witness box and explain the impact on their lives with mr benn out face—to—face in front of them so it will be important for many reasons, notjust that reason alone. and he will receive a prison term, it is not the first time he will be getting a jail sentence for abusing young boys? know, and the joy we sentence for abusing young boys? know, and thejoy we did hear this through the trial, this is the fourth prison term he will be sentenced to, the first back in 1994 in the united states, again in 98 in this country, a gain in 2015 in this country, then a fourth term in 2018. in this case he is, thejury found
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him guilty of 43 historic counts of abuse, he admitted seven before the start of the trial so he will be sentenced to 50 count against 12 boys, the most serious of those is a count called buggery which we don't use these days, effectively rape, but because these are historical charges they use the old term. the maximum term is life imprisonment, we do not know what the judge for sentencing to but that is the kind of maximum sentence he could in theory face. it also does not mean that this trial is over. we understand that police have received more calls from people who said they we re more calls from people who said they were abused by barry bennell who we re were abused by barry bennell who were not involved in this latest case of the investigation is likely to go on, we don't know if there will be fresh charges and investigation, that is for the future. today is about the victims and the sentencing of this man around 12pm today. and of course you will hear the outcome here on bbc news.
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still to come... will last week's shooting in florida change gun laws? we will speak to three student survivors of the attack who are telling american politicians that enough is enough. and hannah jones made politicians that enough is enough. and hannahjones made headlines when she was 13 over her decision to refuse a life—saving heart transplant. she changed her mind a year later. she is now 22 and will join us to tell us about her life now. time for the latest news — here's annita mcveigh. the bbc news headlines this morning... theresa may will today launch a year—long review of how higher education is funded, admitting that england has one of the most expensive systems of tuition in the world. in a speech in derbyshire, the prime minister will say she shares the concerns of students and parents about the cost
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of getting a degree. labour has accused the government of simply kicking the problem into the long grass. 0xfam has revealed that charity workers physically threatened witnesses during an investigation into sexual misconduct in haiti in 2011. the report includes accusations of bullying, intimidation of staff and use of prostitutes, as well as suggesting that 0xfam bosses ignored a recommendation that better ways should be found to inform other charities about problem staff. the former football coach barry bennell will be sentenced today for historical sexual assaults committed on young boys in his care. the 64—year—old, who worked with manchester city and crewe alexandra's youth teams, was convicted of 50 child sex offences at liverpool crown court. it's thought the former scout may have abused more than one hundred boys over a period spanning three decades. the equality and human rights commission says a survey of 1100 employee of its commission has revealed antiquated attitudes to recruiting women. the poll found more than half believe the woman should have to save she was pregnant
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during the recruitment process, and 44% thought women should work for a firm for at least a year before having children. three billboards 0utside ebbing, missouri, a film about a mother seeking justice for her daughter's murder, was the big winner at the bafta awards last night. it won five prizes, including best film and best actress for frances mcdormand. the theme ofjustice and equality for women dominated the event, with most guests wearing black to show solidarity with campaigns against abuse and harassment. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. thank you for your messages regarding those have spoken out about the abuse they endured at the hands of the former football coach barry bennell. this textjust says, bless you, guys, i was abused as a kid but never told anyone. john on facebook says, well done to these men of your programme, i am 66 and was abused over several years in my teens by a man who is now dead. i had the courage to approach
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authorities a couple of years ago but i was ignored. i am now going to go back and get the help i need. thanks for keeping this high profile. the says, bennell has never shown remorse for what he has done. i hope the sentencing brings closure for the many people he heard. now we have to ask how he got away with it for so long. this is an e—mailfrom stu, i am a workmate of gary cliffe, gary was one of the people we spoke to on friday. i have known him for over ten years. just over a year ago i met up with him for a copy. normally we would chat about sport or put the world to rights, and staffordshire police, where we both worked. however, gary calmly disclosed his involvement as an injured party to the barry bennell case which at the time was headline news. this was shocking and at the same time explained a few things about gary and his lack of affection for his footballing days with manchester
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city. the most thought—provoking issue that has troubled me, gary is no different to just over half of us detectives in stoke—on—trent t:i.d. . white, 40 odd years old, working class, a blow, not meant to be victims of sexual offences. the only difference between gary and the rest of us were his childhood talent at football. it is testament to gary that over the years he somehow managed to investigate the heavy workload of serious crimes allocated to him. thank you very much for those. if you get in touch, you are welcome. here's some sport now with sonali. it has been a busy morning for the brits in pyeongchang. the curling went to the wire but great britain's men made it four wins from seven. it was tight and they eventually came through 7—6 against denmark which puts them in a strong position to earn a pace in the last four. just after 11am, great britain's women ta ke after 11am, great britain's women take on switzerland. less tha n take on switzerland. less than two years after being told she may never skate again, ice
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dancer penny combs and her partner nick putland have qualified for the short dance final. they finished in tenth place ahead of tomorrow's free dance where the medals are decided. a good morning for rome in cheshire in the freestyle half pipe skiing event, a good enough performance to qualify for the finals but unfortunately the other brit in the competition, molly summerhays, missed out. huge disappointment as well for amy fuller in the snowboarding big aero bed, making its debut at this yea rv bed, making its debut at this yea r‘s games. she fell on both of her 0lympics r‘s games. she fell on both of her olympics is over, i'm afraid, including a big crash in her second jump, so her 0lympics including a big crash in her second jump, so her olympics is will last week's florida school shooting mark a change in gun control laws in america? the attack, which left 17 students and staff members dead, was the deadliest us school shooting since the sandyhook
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massacre in 2012. now students at the school in parkland are standing up to politicians and saying, "enough is enough". they have united under the hashtag #neveragain and are demanding for immediate action to be taken on gun—control legislation in the us. over the weekend one student, emma gonzalez, delivered this emotional speech. there will be more throughout the are mental health issues and i am not a psychologist, but we need to pay attention to the we know they are claiming there are mental health issues and i am not a psychologist, but we need to pay attention to that this is not just but we need to pay attention to that this is notjust a mental health issue! he would not have hurt that many stu d e nts he would not have hurt that many students with a knife! applause. blaming the victims was something that was the shooter's fault how about we stop blaming the victims was something that was the shooter's faultlet him buy the guns
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in the first place. those at the gun shows, the people who encouraged him to buy accessories for his guns to make them fully automatic, the people who didn't take them away from him when they knew that he expressed homicidal tendencies, and iam not expressed homicidal tendencies, and i am not talking about the fbi! i am talking about the people that he lived with! i am talking about the neighbours who saw him outside holding guns! if —— how about we stop blaming the victims? the fault of the people who let him buy the guns in the first place. those at the gun shows, the people who encouraged him to buy accessories for his guns to make them fully automatic, the people who didn't ta ke automatic, the people who didn't take them away from him when they knew that he expressed homicidal tendencies, and i am not talking about the fbi! i am talking about the people that he lived with! i am talking about the neighbours who saw him outside holding guns! if the president wants to come up to me and tell me it is a terrible tragedy and how it should never and maintained telling to be done about it, i will happily ask him how much money he received from the national rifle association nothing cheering. know something? it doesn't
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matter because i already know! do you want to know something? it doesn't matter because i already know! $30 billiondivided by the number of gunshot victims in the united states one and a half months of 2018 alone, that comes out to being $5,800. is that how much these people are worth to you, trump one and a half months of 2018 alone, that comes out to being $5,800. is that comes out to being $5,800. is that how much these people are worth to you, trump?! you did not number of gunshot victims will go up and the number they are worth will go down! and we will be worthless to you, to every politician taking donations from the nra, shame on from continuing, that number of gunshot victims will go up and the number they are worth will go down! and we will be worthless to you, to every politician taking donations from the nra, shame on you! so where does president trump stand on gun control?
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—— shame on youyour second amendment, 0k? —— shame on youyour second amendment, ok? i —— shame on youyour second amendment, 0k? iam —— shame on youyour second amendment, ok? i am going to save your second amendment i am going to save your second amendment, 0k? your second amendment i am going to save your second amendment, ok? i am going to save your second. if some of those great people that were in that club had guns strapped to their waists or strapped to other direction, aimed at this guy who was just open target practice, you would have had a situation, folks, and if the bullets were going in the other direction, aimed at this guy who was just open target practice, you would have had a situation, folks, which would always horrible but nothing like suffered this weekend. that we all, as a people, suffered this weekend. by the way, if she gets to pick hillary wants to
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abolish, centrally abolished, the second amendment. by second amendment. by the way, if she gets to pickalthough the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. you know she is very much against the second amendment. she wants to destroy your second amendment. guns, guns, destroy your second amendment. guns, guns, guns, right? iama i am a very strong supporter of the second amendment and i am, i don't know if hillary were saying it in a sarcastic manner, but i'm proud to have the endorsement of the nra and it is the earliest endorsement they have ever given to anybody who ran for president. so let me make a simple promise to eve ryo ne so let me make a simple promise to everyone of the freedom loving americans in the audience today. as your president, i will never ever
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infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. never ever. we can talk now to three students from the school in parkland. isabela barry lost one of her close friends that day. sawyer garrity is 16 and recently moved to the school and knew two of the victims. and 16 year old ashley paseltiner, who, along with isabela and sawyer, had to hide from the gunman for over 90 minutes. we are very grateful to you for getting up so early to talk to other british audience, thank you so much. ashley, i want to begin with you, if i may. you heard a firearm, you thought it was a drill and you began to file out. what happened after that? so, our classroom is right across from the building where the shooting happened. 0ur location for where we are supposed to go during a fire drill is right next to the
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building, so my class started filing out of the room, we were walking across the grass towards the building and we heard gunshots. i believe i heard at least four of them, and everything started to scatter. it turned into chaos and we ran into our classroom again. we turned off the lights and we went into the back closet, and we just tried to stay quiet until it was all over. and you work texting your mum and dad, what were they saying to you? my mum wasjust telling me to be quiet. i kept telling me to be quiet. i kept telling both of my parents how much i love them, i couldn't imagine not telling them again, but if something we re ever telling them again, but if something were ever to happen, but they were just trying to tell me to stay safe. isabela, one of your friends died on the 14th of february, helena ramsey, she was one of your close friends. tell our audience a little about helena? she was really kind, so selfless, she was one ofjust the
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nicest people i will ever meet in my life, and i'mjust nicest people i will ever meet in my life, and i'm just really glad i got to meet her. and when you realised she was one of those who lost her life, what did you think?” she was one of those who lost her life, what did you think? i started with disbelief. i was kind of hoping that she would be ok. we hoped we would find her at hospital, but once the search was over we kind of had a feeling and we just tried to fight that feeling, but we found out and it wasjust, it that feeling, but we found out and it was just, it was probably one of the worst feelings i have ever felt in my life. sawyer, you, too, were hiding in the storage room, what was that like for you? it was bad. it was claustrophobic, it was dark, there was barely any air ventilation, there was no service so we could barely get in contact with
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our parent and i remember the whole time thinking, this is not howl wa nt time thinking, this is not howl want to die, this is not howl time thinking, this is not howl want to die, this is not how i want to go. what do you feel is the mood among those who have survived this shooting? i think a lot of us feel like it is our duty to change, to make change in the world, but also a lot of us feel guilty for being alive when so many have died. what about you, what you want to do now? the most important thing out of all of this is that we need to get justice, justice for those 17 classmates of mine that have unfortunately lost their lives. for the 14 victims who were injured and stop we have two fight for them, because they do not have the ability
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to at this moment. and it is very important to me and i think to all of my classmates and the rest of my school that they receive justice, through reform of better gun—control laws and more mental health awareness so laws and more mental health awareness so that something like this never has to happen to another family or another school ever again. do you think that this, this is the watershed, this is the tipping point, and if you think it is, tell us point, and if you think it is, tell us why it is different to columbine, or sandy hook. i don't know why but right now i do feel that, i don't know why, but the uproar, the ultimate support of everything going round right now is amazing. and i think that as a whole, this was a great community to be a part of, and
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when this happened, we all flocked together, in parkland, and we were able to say, enough is enough, we are not letting this happen to another school or community again. for that to happen, what has to change, to make sure this does not happen to another school? better gun—control laws. background checks. maybe not even to sell automatic weapons, because if anyone feels they need one, that they genuinely need an automatic weapon, they probably don't need one! they probably don't need one! they probably should not be getting one in the first place. i think that if someone in the first place. i think that if someone did the smallest background check on this man, then they would have realised he was not fit to have even the dainty is type of gun. what
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do you want to see change to specifically? i believe that there should be better background checks, andl should be better background checks, and i wish that the entire country was on the same pains as us. -- daintiest. i understand some people think that we are infringing on their second amendment rights, we are not trying to take away their handguns or protection, just stricter and, you know, common—sense laws to be placed. —— i wish that the entire country was on the same page as us. the entire country was on the same page as us. laws the entire country was on the same page as us. laws so the entire country was on the same page as us. laws so that people who have dangerous records, homicidal thoughts, so that they will not be able to get their hands on a semiautomatic rifle that can kill so many people! this has been said before, there are many messages from the audience, who are praising your eloquence and dignity and your bravery this morning, leo says this,
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all these children who go to these couege all these children who go to these college schools should boycott them, that would make your government listen, actions speak louder than words, unite and holds tight and boycott school and then your voices will be heard, what you say to that? i feel that that is probably a good way to get things done, i know that there has been talk around my community about having specific dates, calling it a walk—out, where we will not attend school until things change. i have many classmates of mine who feel the same way, who will not be attending school in the next week that we go back, and i think that it will really bring a lot of attention to this. on tuesday, many of you are going, about 100 of you are going to tallahassee, tell us what you are going there, what will you be doing?
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we are going to a meeting with representatives, in tallahassee, from our government, and we are going to split up into groups of kids and we are all going to speak to them about what we want, and what we want to change, and all the things that need to be said, face—to—face. thank you for speaking with us. thank you for speaking to this british audience. after ten o'clock, we will be talking about the cost of higher education in england. when hannahjones was 13 years old she made national headlines over her decision to refuse a life—saving heart transplant, giving herself the right to die. hannah had spent so much of her childhood in hospitals being treated for leukaemia that she simply could not
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face any more treatment. it says somewhere that if you have a heart transplant, you have to have one and then go back and have another one in one and then go back and have anotherone in ten one and then go back and have another one in ten years, not another one in ten years, not another stay in hospital, i thought, it is not worth it, and that made me think, no thanks. i thought it was not worth it. i have had enough. just after her 14th birthday, to change the mind, she had the heart transplant. now, at the age of 22, she's here to talk to us about that life—saving change of heart. you are well, you have had a recent checkup. nine years this summer everything is going fine. nine years, my goodness. you were five years old when you we re you were five years old when you were diagnosed with leukaemia. how much do you remember about the
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treatment that was involved then as you were growing up? they class chemotherapy as a cure for leukaemia, trying everything and anything they could to make me well, i remember being ill as a well and every day was in hospital, same thing every day, i understand they we re thing every day, i understand they were trying to make me better, doing everything in my best interest but i realised i was not a normal child and that was probably how my life would be. how did the leukaemia damage your heart? it was working at 20 of 30% of a normal heart, i could not keep up with my peers, i missed a lot of my schooling, i was not having a normal life. thinking back to your decision to refuse the heart transplant as a 13—year—old, what do you think of your 13—year—old self? i think that i was incredibly brave, maybe slightly naive but i think it was very maybe slightly naive but i think it was very brave to go against all those people who said, you should go and have that will stop looking back
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on it, i knew what was the best thing for me, that was the only thing for me, that was the only thing that mattered. because too much of your life had been spent in hospitals? same for walls, doing the same thing every day, at some point you have to say, no. —— same four walls. one of the things that made you change your mind which your desire to go to your school prom.” wa nted desire to go to your school prom.” wanted the big dress, the tiara, the hair, the make up, i wanted to finish off my high school life, although i had not been there for all of it, i wanted to experience it with all my friends. indeed, you did make it, after the operation. with all my friends. indeed, you did make it, after the operationm with all my friends. indeed, you did make it, after the operation. it was not long until after i had it and i thought, i am not long until after i had it and i thought, iam here, it was not long until after i had it and i thought, i am here, it was a great feeling. how do you reflect on the fa ct feeling. how do you reflect on the fact that your story became national news headlines, it was massive?” cannot believe it went that far, i thought i was ordinary until i saw
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my face on television, and i thought, maybe someone has taken notice. up until then i thought i was a normal child. we will play this clip, you were grappling with the decision, you said you wanted it but you were grappling with it.” did a 360 there. 0bviously people will still be asking me, do you want this, what is your decision? i don't know... it is not an easy decision to make. and i will fight anybody who says it is, because it is not. nobody should have to make it. not even a person as young as me should have to make it, nobody should have to make it. you were smiling then but that is a real, that is really
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illustrative of how much pressure you were under. really is, yes and looking back i was thinking, i was so young, so little, how did i make that decision in the end? do you remember the surgeons, the surgeon who did it? i do, and on the day, the day he was due to go on holiday, getting on a flight, he got the call to say there was a heart for me, he decided to not go on holiday and instead do the transplant. we will bring him in, he is here. i hope he is here, here he comes. hello, good morning, how are you? come in. you may remember hannah. we have not seen may remember hannah. we have not seen each other in a long time. since surgery. i am speechless. not a good thing on live television! laughter amazing. i just laughter amazing. ijust want laughter amazing. i just want to say, thank you. you change your mind, with that
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decision, you changed your life. amazing. ten years. nearly, i can't believe it, looking back now, i think, i have grown up so much. having a transplant, when you came to see me, i was thinking, this has actually changed my life and it is because of you that i am here today. it is almost like a dream that comes true. because i remember, you had a heart transplant, a piggyback transplant when you were a baby, for severe heart failure, i recall that you have convocations developed relating to the heart transplantation, but we figured out what the problem was, and we took the decision to remove the diseased
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donor's heart, and the operation we nt donor's heart, and the operation went well, and you had a normal life with your own heart will stop with no medications. and now you have graduated! what more does a heart surgeon graduated! what more does a heart surgeon want! laughter so interesting to hear you speak about this in the way you are talking about it, i don't now how often you would see a patient ten yea rs often you would see a patient ten years after the event, a patient clearly happy and thriving and well. that is why you do it. it is a privilege to be able to deliver this sort of service, and it is quite an honour to be able to do this sort of work at great 0rmond street hospital. i think you are a very good example, we are building a very successful transplant programme on top of a very successful baby heart surgery programme,
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top of a very successful baby heart surgery programme, the two go together hand—in—hand. you are a perfect example. for ten years, the results of transplantation have improved a lot. and we have better drugs to deal with the complications that we need. we still have a major problem. the problem is the limitation in the donor availability. absolutely. ithink your programme is very useful, at least we are talking about it. we are paying attention to the problem. i hope that message will get across to the population, we need support, because we get a lot more patients now waiting for the transplant because it has been very successful. thank you both, thank you very much, nice to see you reunited since the operation. i know that you are
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extremely busy, we are grateful for yourtime, extremely busy, we are grateful for your time, but extremely busy, we are grateful for yourtime, buti extremely busy, we are grateful for your time, but i know that you wa nted your time, but i know that you wanted to come to see hannah. your time, but i know that you wanted to come to see hannahm your time, but i know that you wanted to come to see hannah. it is amazing. we will bring the latest news and sport in a moment but first the weather. after what has been a cold few weeks, we started the day frost free across just about all of the uk. but it isa across just about all of the uk. but it is a week of change, it will turn a bit colder but also become drier because for the moment it is fairly damp out there, outbreaks of rain and drizzle continued through parts of scotla nd and drizzle continued through parts of scotland and central eastern england at the moment, cloud breaking up to allow some sunshine through, generally a fairly cloudy day but a bit of sunshine and it almost feels like spring is upon us, temperatures up to 13, maybe 14 in some spots. always cooler in the eastern areas with the rain, and this evening northern ireland and
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scotla nd this evening northern ireland and scotland will see a spell of rain from west to east for a time, a few splashes of rain and the wettest weather in eastern scotland, eastern counties of england. later on the skies were clear to the west, temperatures will drop, there could be some frost tomorrow morning but most will be frost free, a vastly brighter day through much of scotland, northern ireland, western england and wales, good sunny spells throughout, eastern england staying cloudy and across parts of east yorkshire, lincolnshire, east anglia into the south—east, further rain or drizzle at times but it stays mild, things are on the change, the weather trend showed us nicely through the rest of the week, temperatures dropping as a strong easterly wind picks up. we will keep you updated, goodbye for now. hello, it's monday, it's 10am, i'm victoria derbyshire. our top story... theresa may is to launch a year—long review of how higher education is funded, admitting that england has one of the most expensive university systems.
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the education secretary damian hinds says thieves need to be addressed. the average fee is something like £9,000, very close to the top. we wa nt to £9,000, very close to the top. we want to see more variety on that. we'll be speaking to students and politicians about the cost of higher education. also on the programme... serial paedophile football coach barry bennell will be sentenced today for abuse of dozens of boy on an "industrial scale". micky fallon, who was abused by ben els from the age of 13, told us what a devastating impact it has had on his life. i could not cope with it, i turned to alcohol, took me two yea rs i turned to alcohol, took me two years to get myself some counselling in terms of being alcohol dependent, and that accumulated in me trying to ta ke and that accumulated in me trying to take my own life at one stage. we will be live outside liverpool crown court before 11am. and three billboards 0utside ebbing, missouri has dominated the bafta film awards, winning five trophies.
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it focuses on a woman looking for justice, played by frances mcdormand, who picked up best actress. i have a little trouble with compliance. but i want you to know that i stand in full solidarity with my sisters tonight in black. power to the people. here's annita mcveigh in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. theresa may will today launch a year—long review of how higher education is funded, admitting that england has one of the most expensive systems of tuition in the world. in a speech in derbyshire, the prime minister will say she shares the concerns of students and parents about the cost of getting a degree. labour has accused the government of simply kicking the problem into the long grass. 0xfam has revealed that
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charity workers physically threatened witnesses during an investigation into sexual misconduct in haiti in 2011. the report includes accusations of bullying, intimidation of staff and use of prostitutes, as well as suggesting that 0xfam bosses ignored a recommendation that better ways should be found to inform other charities about problem staff. the former football coach barry bennell will be sentenced today for historical sexual assaults committed on young boys in his care. the 64—year—old, who worked with manchester city and crewe alexandra's youth teams, was convicted of 50 child sex offences at liverpool crown court. over a period spanning three decades. the equality and human rights commission says a survey of 100 employers it commissioned has revealed "antiquated" attitudes to recruiting women. the poll found that more than half believed a woman should
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have to say if she was pregnant during the recruitment process, and 44% thought women should work for a firm for at least a year before having children. the mother of a seriously ill six—year—old boy has described the decision not to allow him to use medically license cannabis is astonishing. she has pleaded for help to overturn the decision, saying cannabis oil is safer for her son and his present treatment. a group of american teenagers who survived a school shooting in florida has announced a national march on washington to demand political action on gun control. they said they are determined that the mass shooting in which 17 people died will be a turning point in the debate about guns. former shareholders in collapsed construction giant carillion are calling for its management to be investigated. some have told mps that the compa ny‘s investigated. some have told mps that the company's executives lost or should have known about its cash
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flow problems well before it went into liquidation last month. at the same time, say mps, investors were fleeing for the hills. three billboards 0utside ebbing, missouri, a film about a mother seeking justice for her daughter's murder, was the big winner at the bafta awards last night. it won five prizes including best film and best actress for frances mcdormand. the theme ofjustice and equality for women dominated the event, with most guests wearing black to show solidarity with campaigns against abuse and harassment. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30am. thank you. messages from you about our interview with survivors of the shooting in florida last week. we spoke to 316—year—olds who described with calm eloquence how terrifying it was and that they want to see change. audrey says, this is heartbreaking, young children cut
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down senselessly, no question that gun laws in the us need to change. brave girl for speaking out, you are the voices that need to be listened to. chuck says, congratulations, donald trump, you have created the first generation of citizens who will amend your ridiculous gun laws. another says, when the second amendment was written it was on people had muskets, not military grade or two presence. america will never ban the ownership of weapons because it is written into the law. this from josh, i will never fully understand the usa's obsession with guns. thank you for those. let's get some sport with sarah. the winter olympics went down to the wire, great britain's men needed four wins from seven in the curling and it was tight throughout but eventually they came through 7—6
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against denmark which puts them in a very strong position to earn a place in the last four. just after 11am, gb's women will take on switzerland, thatis gb's women will take on switzerland, that is after the hog line controversy yesterday so we will see how they get on. less tha n how they get on. less than two years after being told she may never skate again after a very nasty knee injury, shattered in eight places, i dancer penny combs and her partner nick bjorklund have qualified for the short dance final. earlier this morning, this was their routine, finishing tenth place ahead of tomorrow's free dance where the medals are decided after two routines. christopher dean, who won 0lympic routines. christopher dean, who won olympic gold alongside jane routines. christopher dean, who won olympic gold alongsidejane torvill backin olympic gold alongsidejane torvill back in 1984, helped choreograph this routine. it was a good morning for rowan cheshire in the freestyle skiing half pipe. her performance was good enough to see her qualify for the finals. unfortunately, though, the
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other brit in the competition, molly summerhays, missed out. there was huge disappointment as well for amy fuller in the snowboarding big error event. this is making its debut at the games this year. fuller fell on is making its debut at the games this year. fullerfell on both attempts, including that big crush on her second jump. unfortunately, her 0lympics on her second jump. unfortunately, her olympics is over. and it looks like herface took her olympics is over. and it looks like her face took the brunt of that iceberg, this was her tweet this morning... snowboarding parlance there! away from the winters, tottenham's collective ego may be feeling bruised this morning, the romance of the fa cup evident for all to see over the weekend as the club at the bottom of league 1, rochdale, held high—flying spurs to a 2—2 draw. they have bagged a replay at wembley thanks to an injury time equaliser from steve davies. spurs took the lead through a harry kane penalty but the joy belonged to rochdale.
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theirfans, but the joy belonged to rochdale. their fans, they have a but the joy belonged to rochdale. theirfans, they have a big day but the joy belonged to rochdale. their fans, they have a big day out at wembley ahead. roger federer followed up at wembley ahead. roger federerfollowed up his return to the top of the men's tennis rankings by winning the rotterdam open, beating grigor dimitrov in the final. the 20 time grand slam champion, who has been confirmed as world number one today, beat dimmock rob 6-26-2 world number one today, beat dimmock rob 6—26—2 for his 97th title. —— beat dimmock rob 6—2, 6—2. australian wayne bennett has been reappointed as england rugby league coach. he guided the site last yea r‘s world cup coach. he guided the site last year's world cup final, where they lost 6—0 to hosts and favourites australia. there is no guarantee he will lead england into the 2021 world cup. and that is the sport for now. thank you, sarah. it's been a tricky political issue for successive ministers — how to pay for university education for students from england. labour first controversially introduced tuition fees in the late 905. the lib dems promised to scrap fees
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altogether but once in power voted to triple them to £9000 a year. and, at lastjune's general election, when theresa may lost her majority, many put jeremy corbyn's surprise success down to his support among young people and his own pledge to scrap the fees. well, later today the prime minister will step into the debate. she's expected to say she "shares the concerns" of young people, parents and grandparents about the fees system, as she launches review of how our universities are funded. let's look ahead to mrs may's speech and ask what it might mean for students — and their bank balances. with me here are students abdi duale, a labour activist, and ellie king, a conservative activist. we've also got the conservative chairman of the education select —— the vice chancellor of the university of bedfordshire bill rammell.
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this has been pretty damning for vice chancellors like yourself? the reason we have an expensive system is because in 2012 the government cut the teaching bread to universities by 80% and fees have gone up to deliver a good student experience. if the government... but some courses are cheaper than others yet you all charged £9,250, pretty much. about 5096 of the costs are non—core specifics are they apply to stu d e nts non—core specifics are they apply to students across the board and there isa students across the board and there is a perverse incentive built in by the government which suggests it wa nt the government which suggests it want some courses to be cheaper than others. it will encourage poorer stu d e nts to others. it will encourage poorer students to choose courses which are not necessarily the courses that they want to undertake. if the system broken? no, i don't believe it is. there is no evidence students have been deterred from applying to university and applications have gone up fastest amongst students
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from poorer backgrounds... which is true, but it is whether what you are charging them is fair?” true, but it is whether what you are charging them is fair? i think it is. if you look in the university investments, facilities, improvements in staff to student with years, all of that has led to an all—time high satisfaction levels amongst students as measured by the national student survey, so i think the system is working but there are changes that can and should be made. the government committed a gross error when it abolished nonrepayable gra nts error when it abolished nonrepayable grants for poorer students and i think that should be returned, and i think that should be returned, and i think they need to look up the interest rate charged which, for some students, 6.1%, is arguably penal at a time when interest rates are atan penal at a time when interest rates are at an all—time low. penal at a time when interest rates are at an all-time low. let me speak to the students, then. is this working? tuition freeze our free at the point of use... when angela rayner says they are not, they are,
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the £9,000 does not deter you from applying, we have more underprivileged people coming university than ever before but i think the problem is interest rates and the problem is interest rates and the problem is interest rates and of re payment and the problem is interest rates and of repayment threshold, we should raise the repayment threshold, it is going up to £25,000, i think it is, and that means students earning less are paying such small amounts of the month, i think it would be £15 a month, i think it would be £15 a month they are paying back towards their tuition, so many students will not even write it off, it will be written off after 30 years and i think the interest rates do need to be lower because i think that is absolutely ridiculous. what about the cost of courses at the moment?” think it would be nice to have them lowered, but, as the vice chancellor was saying, if we lower than it is at risk of losing bursaries for people from underprivileged backgrounds, support for those people of getting into education. i received a bursary from the government and from my university, and if! government and from my university, and if i did not have that it would bea and if i did not have that it would be a barrier. i think the argument that somehow students sought tuition
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fees and ran away from university, i think the reason people are playing is because they need a degree to get a good job so... it must be interesting that it has not put people off? the amount of students applying for part—time degrees has gone down dramatically, more than 50%. gone down dramatically, more than 5096. but not full-time courses? those students who might have wanted to work as well a study. if you look at older students changing careers, at older students changing careers, a lot of them are deterred because of the tuition fee so it is deterring students. but they are not getting value for money, lecturers are striking because people at the top of the university are being paid ridiculous amounts of money when lecturers' pensions are cut year—on—year. lecturers' pensions are cut year-on-year. i think it is bizarre. so what should change? ellie says interest rate should come down and there should be an increase in the threshold before you start paying back? tuition fees need to be cut further than £6,000, 6000
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back? tuition fees need to be cut furtherthan £6,000, 6000 is ridiculous but the government incentive on... how should that be funded, general taxation? incentive on... how should that be funded, generaltaxation? you can bring in graduate tax, there are different routes that we can support. are you saying that the people who do degrees, and benefit, should be the ones paying for it? the argument is, should they pay £9,000? no, it is too much. what type of funding method, should it be that people who do the degree who pays for it? i think it should not be a market system, it is a service given to people, similar to the health service. so he funded from general taxation? yes, health service. so he funded from generaltaxation? yes, but also through paying something through graduate taxes. students don't pay the money back anyway and the worst thing is probably the interest rate, 6.1%, even more than if you have a mortgage, so i think those kinds of things, and the government trying to tinker around by making some degree is some others will put some students from stem degrees where they will keep those at £9,000 so i
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think it is bizarre and it all comes from the general election, we know the reason theresa may and the government are doing this is that they saw the outcome of the general election and realised they had gone wrong. they were trying to increase with inflation every year and in a few years it would be at £10,000 but they are taking a step back and the youth have said, we don't want this any more. if people want higher education, what is wrong with paying for it, one us says? we live in a country where the last generation, we are not getting value for money.” choose to go to university to attempt to get a betterjob, income, and then you get somebody who go straight into work, why should they be taxed to pay for my education when i have made the decision myself, that is not fair at all, the syste m myself, that is not fair at all, the system at the moment is a graduate tax in all but name. the current
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syste m tax in all but name. the current system does not work, because students are not getting value for money, we see it with most final year students. it is because wages are being undercut. my degree has not been value for money, pensions being cut. how visit affect value for money? i am paying huge amounts of sums of money, but not going to lecturers, and the vice chancellor fees have gone up every single year. at bath, they rejected the ridiculous amount of money that the vice chancellor was being paid, they do great work but should not be the case that the lowest our undercut and the people at the top are getting more bonuses and getting more wages. we will see what happens. the vice chancellor of bedfordshire university. and two
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students. coming up: barry bennell will be sentenced at me and today for the abuse of boys on an industrial scale, we will be live outside liverpool crown court. an internal 0xfam report on the sexual misconduct of some of its staff in haiti in 2011 has revealed that three of the men involved threatened witnesses during the investigation. the charity has published the document for the first time, saying it wants to be as transparent as possible. it also appears that 0xfam ignored a central recommendation of its report, which said better ways should be found to inform other agencies about problem staff. some names have been redacted, for what they say is confidentiality reasons. we can speak now to the conservative
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mp pauline latham who sits on the house of commons committee that will tomorrow question the head of 0xfam and senior figures from the aid charity sector. what you make of this report?” think it is pretty shocking that they have ignored anything that was in itand they have ignored anything that was in it and i am very shocked about the whole industry at the moment, because it seems to be rife throughout the industry, notjust one charity, seems to be several, in fa ct, one charity, seems to be several, in fact, probably many. there is no evidence to suggest that?” fact, probably many. there is no evidence to suggest that? i went to a conference two years ago in istanbul, world humanitarian summit, it seemed to be in one of the meetings, that people were talking about it openly in a panel, and saying that everybody knew that it was happening, so i have been trying
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to ask to have a central register so that we know who these people are, and we do not employ them, or not knowingly employ them. so there is a central register for the world, and we should not be leading the world's, we should be leading the world's, we should be leading the world and stopping this abuse that is going on. central register of all aid workers who have been dismissed? been allowed to resign with dignity as one of these men was? the country director of 0xfam in haiti was able to resign with dignity after admitting that he slept with prostitutes in the residence. they should be registered but we need to have the cooperation of 0xfam and other ngos to say that they should report them to a central register. i askedif report them to a central register. i asked if they would do this, but they sent me a letter back saying, basically, it was in the too
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difficult to do box and they could not actually do it. when was that, recently? two years ago. we know a lot more now, we do know a lot more, it is something we should definitely be doing, we should definitely be having a register... these people are not just brits, having a register... these people are notjust brits, it is people from round the world, sometimes it is local staff, in country. we need to make sure they cannot go from one charity to another, maybe with a reference, i don't know, but they should not be able to go without a stain on their character, if they have been abusing the most vulnerable people in the world, women and girls, which is what, the people we are supposed to be protecting, we should not be allowing them to go from one charity to another without a stain on their character. over the weekend, you will have seen that the 0xfam chief executive, a man you will be asking questions of tomorrow, has said, the stale at the races gale and
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criticism against is organisation is out of proportion with what actually happened, he told the guardian, the intensity, of the frosty of the attack makes you wonder, what did we do, did we murder babies, what did you think of that? that is a ridiculous knee jerk reaction you think of that? that is a ridiculous kneejerk reaction by him. what he did, not him, he probably was not even employed at the time that it happened, what 0xfa m the time that it happened, what 0xfam were doing was not really vigorously putting in place child protection procedures, and what we are supposed to be doing is making sure that women and children are safe, sometimes they have gone through the most, take absolutely traumatic circumstances, and they have to have people they can trust in the aid industry so that those people in the aid industry look after them and provide help and support they require, feeding, inoculations, health, education, all sorts of things, but they should be able to trust implicitly the people
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that are employed by the aid agencies, and therefore, know that the people are trustworthy, and that anybody who is not has been sacked. just reading, anyone can read through this once confidential report, that 0xfam did after what happened in haiti. the list of those who were dismissed all were allowed to resign, of the sleeve and names are not included, one dismissalfor gross misconduct, failing in his duty to protect staff... another, gross misconduct, use of prostitutes. gross misconduct, bullying and intimidation of 0xfam staff and misuse of computing equipment through the access and download of pornographic and illegal material, charged with gross misconduct for the use of prostitutes on 0xfam property and bullying and intimidation. and so it goes on. should they have released
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this back in 2011? yes, i don't think these sorts of reports should be secret, now it is out in the open, we can do something significant about it and that is what i will be asking difed to do, so that we lead the world, so we know that whoever we give money to has the right procedures in place, and there is children and women are absolutely safe. no good saying that prostitutes are legal, they are still victims. —— dfid. i do believe here, where they were suffering following the earthquake, they really haven't been, that is what is wrong with 0xfam. really haven't been, that is what is wrong with oxfam. and many other charities. the chief executives has suggested that some critics are motivated by an anti—aids agenda. —— anti—aid agenda? motivated by an anti—aids agenda. —— anti-aid agenda? i see the good that
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many of the charities do. i'm convinced they have to clean up their act, there will be people who say, i never wanted to give to charity, i didn't want the country to pay for this, but we must remember, it will be the minority of men in these organisations, it will not be the majority but that minority need getting rid of so that eve ryo ne minority need getting rid of so that everyone can have confidence that the women and girls that we are trying to protect and probably some boys as well are not being sexually abused or raped which is what is happening in some cases. is mark goldring the man to lead the change? i don't know, i will find out tomorrow when i'm able to question him and find out more about what they plan to do and what they have done since this came to the fore in 2011. it is not seem to me that they have put enough measures in place to stop it happening. what questions
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will you be asking him tomorrow?” don't want to reveal those over the air because i do not want him to prepare too much and tell us what he thinks we want to hear but one thing that i want to explore is what happens about giving references to people who have been perpetrators, do they agree with that, do they condone it, do they do it, what is the situation. if so, what is the value of a reference? thank you very much for talking to us, thank you. the former football coach barry bennell will be sentenced for the abuse he carried out on dozens of young and aspiring footballers, three and a half decades ago. last week, the former manchester city and crewe alexandra coach was convicted of abusing 12 boys. in the last hour, one of his victims, mickey fallon, told me what level of punishment he thinks barry bennell
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should receive today?” punishment he thinks barry bennell should receive today? i think today is our day. it is about, hopefully, barry bennell being put away, and never seeing the light of day again. that for us would probably be the perfect day, the perfect ending for us, this man does not deserve to walk in normal society. you will read out your victim impact statement, what are some of the things you want to tell the court room and tell barry bennell? the impact on me personally, over 33 years... has been quite devastating. in terms of being a child, aged 13, when this happened to me, my dreams of being a football player diminished, idid of being a football player diminished, i did stay at crewe alexandra until the age of 18 but my heart was never in it, i had chances
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after crewe alexandra to go to other foot ball after crewe alexandra to go to other football clubs away but i wanted to move home, i moved home and i never moved away from plymouth after that. i feel like the impact on my football career at that stage was pretty damning. in terms of an adult, subconsciously, the impact that you then carry with you, carrying this dirty secret, is quite devastating, there are very similar stories but my personal story, in my early 20s, i really could not cope with it, i turned to alcohol. took me two years really, to get myself through counselling. in terms of being alcohol dependent. and i remember trying to take my own life at one stage. i don't think anyone can really underestimate the impact that airing this kind of secret can have on you, notjust that airing this kind of secret can have on you, not just as a child that airing this kind of secret can have on you, notjust as a child but when you move forward in your adult life, it can be pretty devastating. you only told your partner about the
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abuse you had endured after watching the interview on this programme in november, 2016, when fourformer players spoke out about what barry bennell had done to them, when you watched those men, what effect did that have on you? i cannot explain the feelings, watching... steve walters... he was my friend before we even went to crewe come we both played youth football, grew up together, we were mates, seeing steve sat on the couch for me... it hit me like a train. it was my moment ago, i have to confront this, after 33 years i have to be brave and to come out with my secret and deal with it, or do i deny myself and people like stephen, brave enough to sit on that so far, the opportunity to say, actually, there were others out there. it hit
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me hard, i did not do it straightaway, it took me a few days, but i thought personally it was the right thing to do to come forward and show the scale of this. micky fallon, who spoke to us this morning. the sentencing of barry bennell is due at 12pm at liverpool crown court and you will be able to hear the outcome. let me read the messages. . . hear the outcome. let me read the messages... adam says, watching the victims on your programme today, massive respect to them for speaking out on television, hopefully it will encourage more victims to name offenders. a text from earl, i was abused by an older brother from the age of three. i told my mother when i was seven and she called me a liar. then she told my
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dad, who removed him from the family home and made him join the army. i finally reported it to police when i was 45 as i wasn't sure what the offence was. when i tried to claim criminal injuryi offence was. when i tried to claim criminal injury i was told that because my brother lived in the same house as me i was not allowed to claim compensation. thank you for those. coming up in the next half an hour, reaction from last night's bafta film awards. most of the women there wore black on the red carpet to call foran wore black on the red carpet to call for an end to harassment in the industry. we will be joined by actors and activist who have signed an open letter calling for a global fight against harassment and abuse across all industries. britain is accused of still being in the dark ages when it comes to mothers rights at work. we will talk to one mother who was made redundant on maternity leave by the women's organisation she worked for. time for the latest news — here's annita mcveigh. theresa may will today launch a year—long review of how higher education is funded, admitting that england has one of the most expensive systems of tuition in the world.
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in a speech in derbyshire, the prime minister will say she shares the concerns of students and parents about the cost of getting a degree. labour has accused the government of simply kicking the problem into the long grass. 0xfam has revealed that charity workers physically threatened witnesses during an investigation into sexual misconduct in haiti in 2011. the report includes accusations of bullying, intimidation of staff and use of prostitutes, as well as suggesting that 0xfam bosses ignored a recommendation that better ways should be found to inform other charities about problem staff. the former football coach barry bennell will be sentenced today for historical sexual assaults committed on young boys in his care. the 64—year—old, who worked with manchester city and crewe alexandra's youth teams, was convicted of 50 child sex offences at liverpool crown court. it's thought the former scout may have abused more than 100 boys over a period spanning three decades. former shareholders in the collapsed
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construction giant carillion are calling for its management to be investigated. some have told mps that the compa ny‘s executives must have known — or should have known — about its cash flow problems well before it went into liquidation last month. at the same time, say mps, investors were "fleeing for the hills". the bank of england says more than £2 billion worth of old £10 notes need to be spent or exchanged in the next ten days. the notes, featuring charles darwin, cease to be legal tender on 1st march. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now with sarah. it went to the wire but great britain's men made it four wins from seven on the curling rink. it was tight throughout and eventually they came
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through 7—6 against denmark, which puts them in a very strong position to earn a place in the last four. less than two years after being told she may never skate again, ice dancer penny coomes and her partner nick buckland have qualified for the short dance final. the couple finished in 10th place ahead of tomorrow's free dance. it was a good morning too for rowan cheshire in the freestyle skiing halfpipe event. her performance was good enough to see her qualify for the finals. unfortunately, the other brit in that competition, molly summerhayes, missed out. there was huge disappointment too for aimee fuller in the snowboarding big air event. this is making it's debut at this year's games but fuller fell on both her attempts, including a big crash in in hersecondjump so her olympics is over. coming upjust after 11am — gb women's curling team face switzerland. and from 11:15, brad hall pilots the gb men's bobsleigh in the two—man event. kfc has closed a number of outlets
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across the uk. this story is currently the most read story on the bbc news site, our correspondent jonty bloom is here. why? kfc, kentucky fried chicken, has run out of chicken. no! has it?! they changed their delivery company last week to dhl, and the chicken has not been arriving in the right numbers on the right places so they have closed stores in london, the southeast, wales, the midlands. they have neither good and —— 900 stores and have not said how many have been affected but social media has been going mad because people have been turning up to give to find out there isn't any. they are not saying how many but have they said when the chicken will be arriving?! they say they are working it. this became known when
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they put out a tweet which basically said the chicken crossed the road, just not to our restaurants, which isa just not to our restaurants, which is a nice, phone line on it, but they say they brought in a new delivery partner, some teething problems getting fresh chicken to 900 rest rooms across the country, they will not comprise of quality so some wrestlers are closed and others have a limited menu or shortened hours. veron off, so you will update is no doubt when the chicken arrives? the second it is in the shop! three billboards 0utside ebbing, missouri has dominated the bafta film awards, winning five trophies. the drama about a woman's struggle to getjustice for her murdered daughter was named best film, while its star, frances mcdormand won best actress. the campaign to tackle sexual harassment featured strongly at the event, with most actresses dressed in black. and the first bafta of the evening goes to three billboards 0utside ebbing, missouri. as martin said, i have a little
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trouble with compliance, but i want you to know i stand in full solidarity with my sisters denied in black. the winner is... frances mcdormand! no, just kidding! the ba fta mcdormand! no, just kidding! the bafta goes to gary 0ldman.” mcdormand! no, just kidding! the bafta goes to gary oldman. i thank you, sir winston, i bafta goes to gary oldman. i thank you, sirwinston, ithank bafta goes to gary oldman. i thank you, sir winston, i thank you, bafta goes to gary oldman. i thank you, sirwinston, ithank you, the churchill family, and, of course, once again, bafta. alison janney, i, tonya. i want to clear up a life that i have perpetrated for the last few years... i did not graduate from the royal academy for dramatic arts, but i did attend a two—week summer programme! the bafta goes to... the shape of water, guillermo del toro. thank you, bafta, for all of the support.
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so thank you to all of you. it feels like a so thank you to all of you. it feels likea quirk so thank you to all of you. it feels like a quirk of nature that i am standing here tonight, so thank you. mum, you are the reason why i started, you're the reason why i'm here, you are the reason why i keep going, do you understand? thank you for everything. please welcome to the stage, sir ridley scott.” for everything. please welcome to the stage, sir ridley scott. i shall find a very special place for it. by the way, i'm available in autumn 2018. let's talk to phyll 0poku—gyimah, an activist and co—founder of uk black pride, who walked down the red carpet with actor andrea riseborough.
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sorcha bacon is here, who was up for her first award as a female producer. and actor and film maker kate hardie who has signed the letter. thank you very much for coming on the programme. first of all, was it a good night? was it a late one?! yes! you have lost your boys! phyll, you are co—founder of uk black pride, what did you want to highlight as you were walking down the red carpet last night? the main thing for me was just ensuring that women of all different intersections, whether we are black, asian, brown, disabled women, working—class women, are able to use that platform to raise awareness of the time's up campaign. sorry to interrupt but that is a criticism that it
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interrupt but that is a criticism thatitis interrupt but that is a criticism that it is all very well for those in the entertainment industry with the privilege that it obviously encompasses, compared to a lot of women who don't have a lot of voice, would you accept that criticism? totally but i would say there are lots of women on set and working in the film industry you don't have much privilege. if you look at the one woman in a camera team or the new female runner, there is a lot of quite voiceless women within the industry, and i also think what is brilliant about time's up is it is reaching out beyond just our industry. which is the point for you, it is every woman, whatever sex, whatever you do? absolutely, women like myself have not historically been able to access platforms like the baftas, you want to use the opportunity to amplify your voice as much as possible whilst celebrating the greatness of women who have been acting or are in the industry. it is time to raise the industry. it is time to raise the volume on society. you are
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pretty new to the industry, it is fairto pretty new to the industry, it is fair to say? you have been in the industry for 35 years? yes! something to be proud of! but does this feel like a watershed, what would you say? for me, i feel i am ata would you say? for me, i feel i am at a point where my voice as a female producer can be part of the facilitation of pushing voices that are imported into film and making sure i have a responsibility in the work that i make to make those films that i think are important and push them to the forefront of what i am doing, rather than listening to the older voices. if you look at the ba ftas la st older voices. if you look at the baftas last night and look at the films that have had more women, female directors that one, those are the younger the makers —— film—makers, those of my generation, andl film—makers, those of my generation, and i think i have an important role to play as a film—maker in pushing those stories. do you think this is a tipping point? yes, but it is more to do with... content definitely needs to change, it is worse now
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thanit needs to change, it is worse now than it was in 1913, gender representation and race is appalling in film still, said that has to shift, but i also think the idea of people being able to speak up because we are talking about abuses of power, really, and these are abuses of power, and the idea of people having a voice against powers that are silencing them, i think there is a tipping point but i really hope that that's now going to be listened to on set, at work, that is the really... it is all very well, all wearing black is a brilliant visual image but if you are the one person on a set or on a job that has to say, i'm not happy with how this, how i'm being treated, it is still very, very scary. you have experienced sexual harassment, i think i am right in saying, according to what i have read about you, but did you call it out? i have... i don't talk about my own personal experiences because i
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often feel like it then gets sidetracked and you end up having to do interviews over and over again... i'm not asking you about any details, just whether you felt able to... no,| details, just whether you felt able to... no, i didn't. when i look back into my past, and i have thought about it and we were talking about it earlier, i think that representation of how our industry is regulated, it is regulated by reputations and you get warned quickly about, if you have a bad reputation you will not get hired, and so... and a bad reputation means. . . and so... and a bad reputation means... if you cause trouble, exactly, so our unions —— our union, equity, the minute you even go to equity, the minute you even go to equity there are people saying, you will be seen as a troublemaker now. when things happen to be, the things i was advised the most was, let it go. leave it, let it go, because me having a reputation was the thing that... they didn't manage, i do have a reputation! but me having a reputation was the thing people were
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most concerned about and that is what has to change. what do you think about that as a trade unionist yourself? we have been campaigning against sexual determination, harassment, violence, sold for yea rs, harassment, violence, sold for years, and trade unions are important ina years, and trade unions are important in a campaign and fight forjustice. but not if they are telling people, you won't get work... telling people, you won't get work. . . the telling people, you won't get work... the union never said that, it is before you even go near a union you get that. unions are very clear, speed up and speak out and we are there to support you in your fight for equality and justice. i think sometimes people are a bit wa ry think sometimes people are a bit wary ofjoining a trade union because of victimisation or feeling like they are going to be ostracised in the workplace. if you even think of women who are working 0—hours contract work, work which is quite precarious, they feel a little bit vulnerable in wanting to speak out soi vulnerable in wanting to speak out so i think the trade unions‘ role is to make sure we get in there and
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organise, support, mobilise and actually provide women with a platform to be able to highlight what is happening in the workplace and negotiate with the employer about its policies and procedures and what we need to do to create a safe 5 pa ce and what we need to do to create a safe space for women working. and what we need to do to create a safe space for women workingm terms of the award, eight or nine went to women, the majority to men, 40, in total, two men, what do you ta ke 40, in total, two men, what do you take from that? i was even thinking yesterday that it would be really lovely in ten years' time for everything not to be divided up into gender, i would love if there was an actor award, but i don't think we are there yet. i don't know what to say. it is how it is. do you like that idea? i don't like awards! laughter i think they are ridiculous. let's imagine that they will continue. forget the gender—based best actor,
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best actress, just have one. you are asking the wrong person, i find comparing performances, comparing budgets, films, pr budgets, it is a fa ct budgets, films, pr budgets, it is a fact that women's films don't get as much money to promote themselves, looking at films that have not been promoted, living in a society where money buys you promotion and attention, i find awards pretty dubious. although i love standing on the red carpet, that was a better image than i have seen for a long time, so that was a tremendous image that we saw, the women taking along their guests. thank you very much for coming on the programme. the court of the quotation for sport has begun proceedings against the russian 0lympic medallist, after he failed a doping test, a sample who provided tested positive for a banned substance, which the bbc understands to be meldonium. the
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athlete won a bronze medal at pyeongchang in the midst double is hurling event. that —— mixed doubles curling event. it could be any memberofany curling event. it could be any member of any country, does not matter if it is russia or not, could be anyone, really. -- alexander krushelnitsky if somebody has taken something illegal, there should be consequences but it is not affecting anybody here. we want to keep the sport clean, we are on the same side. we will play and keep it out of our minds. 0ur correspondent, stephen mcdonell, is in seoul. what is the allegation here? the court of arbitration for sport has officially launched the seedings against alexander
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krushelnitsky, this russian athlete is accused of taking a banned substance, meldonium, and that this, if found to be guilty of taking the substance, not only stands to lose his bronze medal, which he has already won, but putting massive pressure on all russian athletes here, you can imagine they were hoping that the pyeongchang games was going to bring them in from the cold. 0fficials may not be scheduled there, russians have had enough pain after the mass doping scandal in sochi and they may decide that by the end of the games, they can be allowed to walk into the main stadium, for the closing ceremony, carrying the russian flag. well, the pressure on officials to allow that to happen now, would be enormous, this can only harm the chances of thatis this can only harm the chances of that is taking place, and a large
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dark cloud, whether russian athletes like it or not, as being dragged across all russian 0lympians. like it or not, as being dragged across all russian olympians. why would someone in curling take a performance enhancing drug, how would it help them? this is what eve ryo ne would it help them? this is what everyone is asking, some russian athletes are saying, they suggested is not true, they say they cannot believe it, not only is curling not that stressful, why would you take the drugs, why would you take them so close to the games, but also, you know, we have all been through so much, you knew the risks in this sort of thing, why do it? if he is found to have done it, it is because, curling is more strenuous and stressful than people expect, requires a lot of concentration, and meldonium could help you to focus, to be less jittery, meldonium could help you to focus, to be lessjittery, and meldonium could help you to focus, to be less jittery, and to meldonium could help you to focus, to be lessjittery, and to be meldonium could help you to focus, to be less jittery, and to be at the top of your performance, this may be what you need to potentially get a
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medal, that is what he is accused to have done. i should suggest, still an accusation, just an accusation at this stage, yet to be found guilty. thank you. a woman has been arrested after an abusive note was left on an ambulance dealing with a 999 call. remind us what this note said, it was on social media. after the paramedics posted a picture of it. 0ver paramedics posted a picture of it. over the weekend, this was posted on twitter, she copied in the police, because the person who had parked the ambulance, in the ambulance, had been very upset, the note, the ambulance was parked in a residential street, stoke—on—trent. if this is for anyone but number 14, you have no right to be parked here, i could not give a dam if the whole street collapsed. move your van from outside my house will stop the crew
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was verbally abused and they say that they were intimidated, and this paramedic used twitter to draw attention to this and also copy in the police and now a 26—year—old woman has been arrested for public order offences. police say that emergency services must be able to carry out their roles without fear of abuse or intimidation. it's against the law to treat someone unfairly because they're pregnant or have recently given birth and yet we know that many women experience discrimination at work for being pregnant and having children. the equality and human rights commission has accused britain of still being in the dark ages when it comes to mothers‘ rights at work. it's carried out new research which suggests that the majority of employers think women should have to disclose if they're pregnant at a job interview, while a third think it's okay to ask women about their plans for children. sarah rees was made redundant while on maternity leave.
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and sue coe is head of employment at the equality and human rights commission, which carried out this research. iam going i am going to start with you, if i can get more information about this very interesting survey, or what did you learn about employers attitudes? what we learned was unfortunately, many of them are decades behind the law. they don't appear to be engaging with the basic employment rights of women. that figure, that half of employers think is perfectly reasonable to ask women in an interview whether they have young children, and a third go even further, and think that it is reasonable to ask women whether they may have children in the future. what we want employers to do is to plant a flag in the ground and say,
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we want to stop this, and we at the equality and human rights commission wants to support employers to change and improve and we are inviting them tojoin our initiatives, working forward , tojoin our initiatives, working forward, to get support, tips and advice from us and from there appears to up their game on there. what does the law say? the law is very clear, it has been for decades, you cannot make recruitment decisions, turning down people because they are women, because they are pregnant, or because even they might become pregnant in the future. you work for a women's organisation, we cannot say the name of the organisation, when you were made redundant while on maternity leave. astonishing. when you were pregnant, presumably you felt really pregnant telling them you had a baby on the
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way and this is what you are going to do. totally, beforehand, could not have treated me better, gave me time to have appointments, a lovely sendoff, it was afterwards that the situation got into a difficult position. what change when you were on maternity leave? a huge lack of communication, i try to get in contact with them, e—mail colleagues and bass to say i wanted to come back, i had no response. potentially there may have been thinking, you are on maternity leave, let's not bother her. that concentrate on the baby. it was me that got in touch with them, saying i wanted to come back. they should have had the decency to reply to me. what happened in the end? a trustee got in touch and said, they are talking about your redundancy in meetings full. i am clear that you do not know what is happening. i had a letter in the post if you days later. at my post was redundant. how
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did you react? i was really sad and upset and as a new mother i was stressed enough, to have that happen on top, really does dent your confidence, i had gone from supporting women in building confidence, part of what myjob was, to feeling i could not leave the house without crying. did they start to come up with things that they had done wrong, when you were working? yes, i raised a grievance against the way i was treated, it was tit—for—tat, they came up with things i had done wrong, in my eyes, i had not done anything wrong, i had gone on maternity leave and the reason they were trying to raise points was i had raised something against them. were you allowed to attend the grievance hearing? no, it was held in london, i was in cardiff, i was breast—feeding my new daughter, 12 weeks old, and they said they could not afford to have someone come along said they could not afford to have someone come along with me to go to the meeting. so youjoined
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someone come along with me to go to the meeting. so you joined the meeting on the phone, i could hear my daughter crying so i could not concentrate. how do you reflect on the way they treated you and what, what could you have done in terms of pursuing the way they treated you? at the time i was not able to raise a case through law because i did not have the money to do that, it is good that women are able to go to tribunal and not have to pay for it themselves. but it was a situation i did not want to be in, i did not want to raise an issue against them, i wanted to concentrate on the positive things of raising a child, being a mother. why did they get rid of you?” of raising a child, being a mother. why did they get rid of you? i was difficult, a situation they did not wa nt to difficult, a situation they did not want to deal with, much easier to have me out of that situation so they could then recruit people into posts that did not have to deal with things like children in the background. thank you very much. thank you for talking to us. thank
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you forjoining us. we are back tomorrow, 9am. have a good day, thank you very much. it was a frost free start to monday morning, but we have lots of cloud across the uk at the moment and with that cloud, outbreaks of rain which through the afternoon will be confined to eastern areas of england, north and east of scotland, further west, something a bit drier and brighter, sunny spells breaking through, feeling quite pleasant where we have sunshine, temp reaches up where we have sunshine, temp reaches up to 12 or13 where we have sunshine, temp reaches up to 12 or 13 degrees. seven to 10 celsius. tonight, short spell of rain across northern ireland, moving
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further east, merging with the other rain across eastern areas. staying loudly and wet into tuesday morning. —— staying loudly and wet into tuesday morning. — — staying loudly. loudly and wet into tuesday morning. —— staying loudly. still frost free to take this into tuesday. during tuesday more sunshine coming through across scotland, northern ireland, many western areas, england and wales, including the midlands, far east of england, quite cloudy, outbreaks of rain. that is it from me. goodbye. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11.00. the spiralling cost
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of university tuition fees — the prime minister is to announce a review of how higher education is funded in england. 0xfam reveals that three of the men accused of sexual misconduct in haiti physically threatened witnesses during a 2011 investigation. a paedophile university lecturer who posed as a woman online to target more than 40 victims is due to be sentenced later. many employers' attitudes to recruiting women are from the dark ages, the equality watchdog fines. also this hour, a sea of black on the bafta red carpet. best
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