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lizo mzimba, bbc news. that's your summary of the latest news. back to victoria. debates after a hugely fan antidepressants work. antidepressants work. in more detail about the study after ten a:m.. ten a:m.. they can work but they are not the antibiotics of mental health. antibiotics of mental health. they allow me to take a break to think. prior to that i was suicidal. so for me, they've been a life—saver. life—saver. depression and darkness came black so i went back on. so i

went back on. experiences into our conversation. you can send this e—mail. —— send us an e—mail. for britain's men's curling team overnight. women by reaching the semifinals of the curling competition. the curling competition. 9—5, despite being ahead with two ends to play. ends to play. penultimate end meaning they advance rather than team gb. rather than team gb. silver medal in the event four years ago. ago. dave riding, finishing ninth in the men's slalom.

men's slalom. can do the same as a gold medallist and perform at the age of 35. and perform at the age of 35. will see dave riding again, and a good result in the men's slalom. good result in the men's slalom. canada from winning their fifth straight title. straight title. celebrations, and disappointment for the canadians. the canadians. been stripped of the medal after admitting to doping. admitting to doping. banned for the state—sponsored doping scandal. doping scandal.

officials would have been hoping for. in the champions league at sevilla but is that a good first leg result? pages today, they never got going in that time. that time. away with a goalless draw against serbia. serbia. around record signing paul pogba, on the bench. the bench. minutes for the injured ander herrera. herrera. severe had the best chances of the night, 25 shots on goal. of the night, 25 shots on goal. in his native spain, their keeper denied manchester united a goal. denied manchester united a goal. they'll be back soon at old trafford. trafford. and mark cavendish has injured himself.

injured himself. the organisers of the abu dhabi and tall. he lasted three miles. activated suddenly, causing the crash. crash. was forced to withdraw from the race so we hope he recovers well. so we hope he recovers well. thank you, hugh. you, hugh. more sports news from hugh throughout the morning. it should have been a tuesday night like any other in capital this week. except two people were stabbed to death in the space of two hours. less than a mile apart in camden, in north london. abdikarim hassan was 17 and sadiq adan mohamed was 20. stabbed back in september. he too was twenty years of age. the brother's "devastated" mother is calling for an end to knife crime. lost two sons!

you have lost two sons. two sons, five months. two stabbings. yes. my sister's son. could have been involved in gang culture of any kind? no, no, no. do you think enough is being done to tackle knife crime? no. in my borough, camden, all the boys go on streets with a knife. there have been sixteen fatal stabbings in the capital.

five of those were teenagers. over the last few years. the most in almost a decade. so what's going on? and what can, and should, be done to stop the rise in knife crime? what ideas they have to tackle this growing issue. alison cope, whose sonjoshua was fatally stabbed aged 18 in 2013. 15. paul has been on the programme before, his son was 15 when he died. an organisation that mediates between gang members. shaun bailey, a conservative london assembly member. dal babu — former chief superintendent, metropolitan police.

two of his friends have been stabbed to death. louise haigh, labourmp and shadow policing minister. elena noel, trustee of the charity growing against violence. thank you all for coming on the programme. programme. alison, i would like to begin with you. begin with you. tell our audience what happened to your son. what happened to your son. joshua went out to a party on friday night and never came home. night and never came home. followed and said the club and stabbed once in the heart. stabbed once in the heart. hard to stay alive but died on september 21 in 2013. september 21 in 2013. how do you cope with that? i survive. time hasn't made it better. hasn't made it better.

him in prisons in the west midlands and around the country. and around the country. which is the whole purpose of this conversation. conversation. for coming on the programme. have spent the last year adjusting to the loss of one of your children. to the loss of one of your children. can you describe what that is like? very hard. more kids losing their life the same way. nothing has changed in the last year. it's getting a lot was out there. there. death of my son, nothing has been done about it. done about it. generally feel, that nothing has been done about it? been done about it? overshadowed by the fact that it is still not enough.

still not enough. who can do more going, well, we've done that. done that. a hundred, and just saying, well, we started. it's not enough for the families. families. scotland, they've actually reduced crime... crime... programme we did look at what they've done. it's a coordinated response. response. with organisations which could be helpful. helpful. there for five years and i know it well. well. organisations that are here but looking at policing reduction costs.

looking at policing reduction costs. leasing has been reduced by over 20%. link between the reduction in policing cuts? policing cuts? reduced, it's an issue across the country. it shouldn'tjust be about policing. policing. more to safeguard our children in schools. schools. they don't have the leadership to do that. that. way we deal with knife crime in the way we dealt with bullying.

way we dealt with bullying. bullying problem, now every school has a bullying policy. has a bullying policy. a single adult who hasn't been bullied. bullied. we need to put that pressure on ofsted. pressure on ofsted. bring in shaun bailey, conservative london assembly member. london assembly member. what the government has been doing regarding knife crime. regarding knife crime. tackling knife crime needs a new way of thinking. of thinking. forth plus various bits of money to organisations and fans. organisations and fans. link between that

and rising knife crime? crime? link between resources in the same way that the former officer did. way that the former officer did. that's not true, that's not true. when i left the police in 2013 there were 321/2—dozen. we are now on 30,000. the trajectory used to go down... we need to look at figures please. please. to 30,000, is what you say is not true. the figures have gone down. the communities that suffer from knife crime at most. knife crime at

most. you get some intelligence that the police can use. police can use. the puzzle to solve the problem not there. there. need to be done, the enforcement pot is important but not the only part. is important but not the only part. you have to accept that police numbers have gone down. numbers have gone down. this, the number stabbed a fact that. all communities are suffering. there's not one kind of community that's suffering. that's suffering. so that's not really an argument. really an argument. knife crime isn't this you for all londoners. isn't this you for all londoners. it's about families all around the country. excuse me. communities suffer from it in the most. the black

community. i don't agree. agree. because i am white and my son, you know, he wasn't black. son, you know, he wasn't black. unfortunate that the black community are dying more. are dying more. without any relationship between them and the police... them and the police... solution lies that the two things i want to add. that the two things i want to add. forgot was adding more officers from all different backgrounds. all different backgrounds. working when they started it, they need to go back to that. need to go back to that. proven that knives are more dangerous than guns. dangerous than guns. why are they not treated alike in law? not treated alike in law? i feel we may have jumped a couple of steps. may have jumped a

couple of steps. i'm not criticising you, we've got plenty of time, honestly. plenty of time, honestly. just going to scratch the surface of this issue. this issue. we haven't addressed why people are carrying knives. louise? neighbourhood policing has been decimated. decimated. as you rightly said this isn'tjust a london problem. isn'tjust a london problem. metropolitan police increased by 2%, in south yorkshire 62%. in south yorkshire 62%. it is a huge issue across the country. issue across the country. the decimation of neighbourhood policing.

policing. away all those schemes and services that looked at early intervention. that looked at early intervention. that's critical. early intervention and prevention. and prevention. crime, it is more prevalent in younger aged children now. younger aged children now. they are getting involved in it. how young? from seven. seven-year-olds are carrying knives? carrying knives? involved in and around criminal activity? activity? fact, seven—year—olds carrying knives? i remember hearing that. why? fear? peer pressure as well? inability to

manage conflict. terms of the reaction is to pick up a knife. we did not start? someone who has seen both sides of it, social media and mental health. it, social media and mental health. showing them extreme images that can desensitise them. desensitise them. you with a knife you don't have to pick up one. things like that. thousands of young people and asked them why they carry knives? them why they carry knives? protection, production, protection. we are feeding our in people through technology. it's scary. have a new society of young people growing up through social media.

growing up through social media. that the government should be ashamed of. ashamed of. support the ones who are struggling and help the families. i will then ask what they are afraid. afraid. and every evening they go out i cannot sleep till they come home. cannot sleep till they come home. am so relieved when i hear the keys turn on the loch. turn on the loch. has become a nightmare for many, young people and parents alike. young people and parents alike. people i talk to now want to leave london or the uk. london or the uk. have been left behind and concerns neglected.

neglected. one another, i'm sure more would be done. done. we have become a sad, callous and divided country. and divided country. give the police to do the power they do theirjob. do theirjob. young people have no respect for the police. respect for the police. like without fear of being labelled racist. racist. nobody cares unless they can be seen to be a liberal thinker. be seen to be a liberal thinker. order back on the streets before we need the army. need the army. increasing stop and search and i have the quote somewhere. have the quote somewhere. louise, is that the answer? that the answer? searches are really important tool in fighting knife crime. in fighting knife crime. they will be criticised or hold true for an internal complaint.

for an internal complaint. and within the law and within best practice. practice. it also needs to be done in partnership with the communities. in partnership with the communities. knife crime but also that what the caveats —— one of the borrowers. caveats —— one of the borrowers. community because there are issues of disproportionality. of disproportionality. and there is a broad consensus with some. a broad consensus with some. and then haringey and camden did the same and it was successful. same and it was successful.

need to focus back on that, invest in the community. in the community. the community that they need to work with them. with them. rise in stop and searches will help tackle knife crime? definitely. stop they have body cameras now, so how often are they use? how often are they use? saying you cannot walk around armed and you will be stopped. and you will be stopped. being stopped and what to being stopped for. stopped for. around knife crime, but it's when they do other things it breaks down. they do other things it breaks down. shaun is absolutely right. because police officers understand that they will be viewed. that they

will be viewed. to focus on one point and the issue of technology. of technology. violence —— you chew have allowed videos of violence —— youtube. violence —— you chew have allowed videos of violence -- youtube. videos of violence -- youtube. they say they try to take them down. say they try to take them down. they are not doing enough. are not doing enough. to various websites and channels to have a look at violent videos? have a look at violent videos? even the females. they send them. better be, but it's also a culture of this respect. of this respect. negotiate with someone is to affect them heavily. them heavily.

peaks —— eight social peace we have to do. to do. it highlights the problems within communities and families. within communities and families. we are a blame society. are a blame society. parents tom why aren't the parents doing enough? doing enough? and we need to be helping them to be better parents. better parents. a voice in the background saying it is not ok. is not ok. unfortunately that is missing in many households.

missing in many households. our 100% more likely to come out the other side. what to fall back on? it your family background or someone who cares about them. who cares about them. young man who made different choices. why aren't we asking them. how did you make those different choices? choices? how did you get involved in illegal activity, drug dealing. illegal activity, drug dealing. what is the answer? is the answer? you are a young man, i conceive. i conceive. the answer to that is, again, it is the family support. again, it is the family

support. many bullies there are at school, you talk to us and deal with it. you talk to us and deal with it. that is simply the answer. right when people try to blame the parents. parents. two equals three, do you blame the child or who taught them? child or who taught them? slashed or hit with a chair, then that will get into their psyche. that will get into their psyche. on social media was relevant to the death of your son? death of your son? social media was the main part.

the main part. the other side of london and had no way of connecting with each other. way of connecting with each other. it starts trouble. arguments and they seem to want to carry it on. carry it on. have ended up being stabbed over a social media video. social media video. it goes deeper than that. than that. it goes to the mental well—being of young people. well—being of young people. associated baggage, but what about the mental well— being? associated baggage, but what about the mentalwell-being? associated baggage, but what about the mental well-being? the mental well-being? social media is allowing people to do that. is allowing people to do that. world and we tried to build their resilience. resilience. actually is is a tool to express how they feel full —— feel. they feel full —— feel.

they will do it to people across london. what is normal? how does a job reject a bad mode of behaviour? explanation. education. education for communities, the young people. for communities, the young people. it has to be coordinated. them, and you must not carry a knife? never. you go out with a knife and stab someone and that's your choice. someone and that's your choice. is the one person you leave behind at home when you make the choice? at home when you make the choice? their brain thinks, i live with my mum, my nan, my sister. mum, my nan, my sister.

you flip it and make them feel. and make them feel. young people don't want to be told. don't want to be told. they are sick of being told how to behave. of being told how to behave. don't do this, don't do that. do this, don't do that. show and lead by example and help them. them. school, bring back peer mentors who work in the school. work in the school. knife crime is scary so i need to protect myself. protect myself. stabbing and the stabbing happened in the event.

in the event. dance, there was no stabbing next time. you are subconsciously pushing it. they suffer from low self—esteem. they suffer from low self-esteem. which young people? the ones involving knife crime. ones involving knife crime. they are carrying knives to feel better? carrying knives to feel better? them to reflect and think about what they are doing. they are doing. many youngsters are susceptible to being stabbed. being stabbed. youngsters need reprogramming, mentally. reprogramming, mentally. says more community police officers and local knowledge is the key. and local knowledge is the key. tony on facebook says tougher sentences. on facebook says tougher sentences. anyone caught carrying a knife, five years and no less. years and no less. it is more dangerous than a gun.

dangerous than a gun. thing they teach you, knife is more dangerous. dangerous. what would labour do about tackling knife crime? about tackling knife crime? rather than a criminaljustice issue. issue. they have looked at mental health, background etc? health, background etc? people and all it takes is political will. will. the same level of cuts to the rest of the uk. of the uk. you would put more money into this area? into this area? a public health issue rather than just criminal? issue rather than just criminal? don't all talk over each other. no point. there are a few

things. children and older ones, so that is an ongoing programme. an ongoing programme. disagree with that, but who will pay for it? for it? i would be more than happy to pay taxes for that. to pay taxes for that. between these gangs and we took a group of children to belfast. group of children to belfast. what did he say to them? did he say to them? kind of opportunities these children would normally get. would normally get. pin drop while he sat there and drew the figures. the figures. catholics and protestants so we need to be more innovative.

to be more innovative. giving money to the wonderful work people here are doing. people here are doing. i am going to pause there because our time is up. pause there because our time is up. people back into community services in positive role model roles. in positive role model roles. children playing overrating crime games. games. poverty and despair and operate is low policing. low policing. gangs need to lure the disenfranchised. disenfranchised. games where killing with knives is fun

and entertainment. fun and entertainment. also to blame for allowing this to happen. happen. sat in isolation in their bedrooms has been normalised. has been normalised. what do you think of that? think of that? game which shows the choice of a knife or a fist and they laugh. knife or a fist and they laugh. level and take it from a game to reality. reality. it is an education for them that it it is not real. that it it is not real. definitely need to work more closely with scotland and to what they did. with scotland and to what they did. break the deadly cycle and protect our children and communities. our children and communities. it requires a new way of thinking. requires a new way of thinking. strategy will be published in the spring... spring... how many more young people will die before that is my point.

will die before that is my point. be stabbed, he's one of many, many, many. many. something that they are not listening to what actually works. listening to what actually works. will have to pause you there, really sorry. sorry. thank you all for coming, i really appreciate your time. thank you. you. fallen by 29,000 two 244,000 in the year to last september. year to last september. since the uk voted to leave the eu injune 2016. injune 2016. government target to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands. migration to the tens of thousands. figure or more and those leaving britain. britain. fallen to 244,000 in the year to last september.

of lastminute dot com — wants to sort out the internet. a big job. be the person people would turn to when things go wrong. we'll talk to her in a moment about that. but first here's everything you need to know about her. lastminute. com is one of the uk's leading tech entrepreneurs. leading tech entrepreneurs. female representation in the texts sector. sector. she came to prominence after finding lastminute. finding lastminute.

when it was sold and was followed at £577 million. £577 million. multiple operations and a long spell in hospital. in hospital. efficiency by providing services online. online. and later a non—executive director of twitter. of twitter. the eu despite having voted to leave. leave. mind and reverse the decision if it sees fit.

sees fit. tech sector and advises on how the internet should be governed. internet should be governed. reduce inequalities brought about by technology. and she is with me. good morning. morning. on line, some on the phone, what did people generally feel about it? people generally feel about it? put at that were statistically significant. significant. people, over 50%, value what the internet offers. internet offers. comparing deals, looking at maps, all the things you know well.

all the things you know well. said they could see the benefit to society at a macro level. society at a macro level. that's quite a disparity. quite a disparity. why are people worried about the effect on society? worried about the effect on society? a bunch of things. what people are calling a tech — lash. lash. of a review of the way companies operating. operating. it's hard to get a handle on this stuff. on this stuff. it is hard to know what is behind it. it. concerned with that lack of visibility. visibility. having read the report, one quote really.

one quote really. a number of codes stood out. stood out. industries, somebody rips you of you go to the ombudsman. go to the ombudsman. there's one for the internet, there isn't, if there is one, who is it? isn't, if there is one, who is it? so that lead you to call for an independent regulator. independent regulator. this is quite a nuanced issue. a nuanced issue. well, but and is confusing and messy. messy. you only have to look at, let's look at serious crime online. let's look at serious crime online. fault of any ones they don't have the expertise to sort this out. the expertise to sort this out. hard to know whether it is serious or not serious.

or not serious. what went wrong with this transaction. transaction. and that is a big challenge for society. is not about lessons in schools? schools? it'll take a long time to come through. come through. all my life and yet i'm still often confused! confused! in the public sector have a higher level of digital understanding? level of digital understanding? employees to understand the internet but all of us at a more macro level. but all of us at a more

macro level. it has had a strongly positive impact on our lives as individuals. impact on our lives as individuals. and that is a good thing. remember that in all the time we talk about the worrying thing. talk about the worrying thing. worked in technology all my working life. life. com. there are credit cards into the internet. internet. and now look at what you can do. can do. out there, these are all extraordinarily positive things. extraordinarily positive things. it's important to remember that. we still are digitally divided society.

society. feel more sure and confident about the things that we are doing. the things that we are doing. ” would like to ask you about twitter. would like to ask you about twitter. twitter account had been buying followers. what action have you taken? taken? company, as a director but i can tell you about this. tell you about this. mistakenly thought it was a good idea to buy some rich. idea to buy some rich. she knew she was buying something that was fake. that was fake. we don't work together any more. together any more. i take responsibility for this. responsibility for this. it was a large arrow. large arrow. you say, that is marginally smaller is you in my own personal history. is you in my own personal history. thank you for talking to. martha lane fox.

we'll be discussing last night's surprise results at the brit awards. british album of the year goes to stormzy. great night, will tell you about all the winners and losers. the winners and losers. the uk and coming to the uk has fallen by 20 9000. fallen by 20 9000. danny shaw is with me.

what's the total now? target of less than 100,000, still a long way from meeting that target. long way from meeting that target. net migration has fallen by 29,000, though, so it is dropping a bit. though, so it is dropping a bit. figures, you are seeing two distinct things going on. things going on. is still high, at 90,000, but it is the lowest for six years. the lowest for six years. but lower than it has been for many yea rs. but lower than it has been for many years. years. the eu countries —— leaving the uk from the eu is now at its highest. from the eu is now at its highest. brexodus here following the vote in the referendum.

the referendum. outside the eu coming to britain going up. going up. can't with the eu citizens because we are still a member of the eu. we are still a member of the eu. turning their attention to those nations outside the eu. nations outside the eu. outside eu are now at their highest level for around five or six years. level for around five or six years. thank you, danny. what a night it was at the brit awards. here and highlights.

ladies and gentlemen welcome to the brit awards 2018. # yo theresa may where's the money for grenfell? # what, you thought we just forgot about grenfell? # you should burn your house down and see if you can manage this. stormzy! thank god because that's the reason why i'm here. stormzy! we made something that i feel is undeniable. year. i love you guys, thank you so much. dua lipa! awards and more women taking over the world! dua lipa! i wanted them to experience it first hand. i love you.

memories, please welcome onstage liam gallagher. # you and i are going to live forever #. it is so amazing to see so many women tonight wearing the rose. we're very proud be women. what i mean. we've got a real spirit and a real soul. that. ed sheeran. around the world. girl called gabby cawthorne.

this one's for gabby, thank you so much. let's get the latest weather update. i am bored with this freezing weather. you're bored ? you're bored? across a lot of europe, and that air coming towards us. coming towards us. colder next week with the chance of seeing snow as well. seeing snow as well. which we will firm up over the next few days. one worth watching. ireland and west scotland with the wind picking up.

wind picking up. scotland so it will feel more chilly in the breeze. in the breeze. occasional fog patch, most of us will avoid that. will avoid that. feel cold even though temperatures tomorrow are similar to today. tomorrow are similar to today. the bitter cold weather comes next week. hello it's thursday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. benefit from taking them. we'll hear the experiences of people who've

taken the medication. we'll be asking what affect it it's had on their lives. prevent future mass shootings in the us. concealed gun on them —— where a teacher. on the president's idea. for courts in england and wales. there's a call for more to be done to take knives off

the streets. same way, and nothing has changed in the last year. the last year. it is getting a lot worse out there. worse out there. over my son's death, but nothing is being done about it. of medicine's biggest debates as a huge study... it would help if i had a microphone, wouldn't it? apologies for that. there we are. hopefully you can hear me now. me now. debates after huge study concluded that antidepressants do work. that antidepressants do work. at reducing symptoms of depression than dummy pills. than dummy pills.

school shootings in the us, that's the message from president from. the message from president from. checks on people's dying —— buying guns. guns. demanding a month—long ceasefire in syria. syria. eastern ghouta area near damascus since sunday. since sunday. general described the situation in the rebel enclave as hell on earth. among her senior ministers today. the cabinet‘s position on future relations with the eu. has fallen in the year to

last september. new figures show net migration dropped by 29,000 down to 240 4000. for national statistics since the 2016 eu referendum. said it would cut 4000 jobs over the next two years. next two years. had lost nearly 10% of its uk domestic customers last year. domestic customers last year. more likely to go to prison under new sentencing guidelines. new sentencing guidelines. don't involve family members or partners. partners. extend domestic abuse to include threats on social media.

students begins today. worse off in retirement. a 6 billion pound deficit which can't be ignored. in his performance. # yo ,theresa may where's the money for grenfell? # what, you thought we just forgot about grenfell? that's a summary of the latest bbc news. 30. knife crime and our conversation earlier.

earlier. to five year jail sentence for carrying a knife. it worked for handguns. handguns. anyone to have a knife unless you are a chef on the way to work. are a chef on the way to work. have occurred during this week, it is appalling and horrifying. is appalling and horrifying. u nfortu nately — — u nfortu nately things are not improving. things are not improving. then they want to think this is the way to survive the streets. way to survive the streets. those coming in, especially if you have personal relative experience. have personal relative experience. you will be charged standard network rate. here's some sport now with hugh. the curling competition at the winter olympics in south korea. winter olympics in south korea. they were beaten 9—5 despite being ahead with just two ends to play.

ahead with just two ends to play. see too often, scoring a 5—point stone in the end to advance. stone in the end to advance. medal hope gone after taking a silver in the event four years ago. silver in the event four years ago. a good game today but it was not to be, sadly. be, sadly. experience and what we can take from it. it. back and challenge for a medal in beijing in four years' time. beijing in four years' time. perform to a gold medal standard at the age of 35.

the age of 35. from taking their fifth straight title. title. the us keeper was the hero, sparking wild american celebrations. sparking wild american celebrations. very much the opposite today for one russian colour. russian colour. of his medal after admitted to doping. doping. for the ioc for the russian sporting officials —— that won't be. officials —— that won't be. for the six nations meeting with scotland at murrayfield. scotland at murrayfield. replacing sam simmons in the back row.

row. bench having missed the opening two matches through suspension. matches through suspension. that's all the sport for now. all the sport for now. benefit from taking them according to a major study. to a major study. better at reducing symptoms than dummy pills. dummy pills. with us, who used to take antidepressants. i will talk to first, if i may, you are behind this study. are behind this study. tell us what you have discovered.

you have discovered. effective for moderate to severe depression in adults. depression in adults. news for parents, carers and clinicians. how did you reach this conclusion?

conclusion? treatments in the network one against the other. against the other. antidepressants were more effective than others. than others. effective and others are more acceptable to patients. acceptable to patients. because of this, more people could benefit from antidepressants. definitely. treatments that

are proven effective. effective. 2016, there were 64 point 7 million prescriptions for antidepressants. prescriptions for antidepressants. there should be more because people can benefit. can benefit. but they don't seek help to get the antidepressants. antidepressants. prescribe them to people who really need them. need them. as far as you are concerned is this study good news? concerned is this study good news? whether antidepressants really are effective or not? it does. probably thought that anyway, but everybody else?

absolutely. controversy to bed, which is important. important. also understand more and move on to the more important questions. the more important questions. than others, and what can we do for people who do not benefit from them? people who do not benefit from them? from any of them, so how can we help those people? those people? and david, both of whom have used antique depressants. antique depressants. steve, how did they affect you?

—— antidepressants. antidepressants is getting the right medication for each individual. medication for each individual. necessarily work for the next person. person. got that support network around you it won't work effectively. and vice ve rsa . and vice versa. versa. medication, that's not going to work. so you need to balance both. that's to get

the maximum effect. disorder and you can all talk about your experiences. let me bring in southee from mind —— sophie. sophie. managing acute depression, it's not just about antidepressants. no, it's not.

not. alongside antidepressants and is good too but those things in place. good too but those things in place. what really helps someone to recover. recover. david, hello, thank you for talking to us. tell us about your experience. experience. i used the bills to treat people. treat people. i haven't taken them used them to treat a mood disorder. used them to treat a mood disorder.

element of garbage in and garbage out. out. from these pills and hidden the hard things. things. is getting a clear picture of what the harms can be. the harms can be. placebos, it's not like they do nothing. nothing. alcohol works, they have a kind of tranquillising effect. tranquillising effect. treat them they need to know what the risks are. the risks are. the benefits of and the risks concealed. concealed. bills should be put in that position. position.

let me get some reaction to what you are saying. to what you are saying. there needs to be a balance between benefits and side effects and risks. benefits and side effects and risks. the full picture to patients and clinicians. clinicians. access to individual data from the studies would be the way to go. studies would be the way to go. why it took such a long time to have access to the unpublished data. access to the

unpublished data. there might be the published report which is misleading. ok. go out the door, i would be shaking while getting on the bus. while getting on the bus. goes as planned and i don't have a problem. problem. decades and ended up effectually tortured by them. a brief word about addiction? addiction? word because it has a very specific meaning. meaning. very difficult to come off antidepressants. that is one side—effect.

side—effect. professor healy has done a lot of work on that as well. done a lot of work on that as well. find them harder to come off than other people. other people. them you have to take that process just like dealing with an addiction. just like dealing with an addiction. implications with your doctor when you decide to take antidepressants. you decide to take antidepressants. really quickly. people cannot stop because they would fall ill again. would fall ill again. but the problem is the withdrawal symptoms if they stopped abruptly. symptoms if they stopped abruptly. thank you, thank you all of you. shootings in

us schools. an emotional meeting with students, teachers and parents. for america to address its gun violence problem. saying "i hear you". but is his "listening session" enough? but that they have not been given the opportunity. here's what the president has said overnight. adept at using firearms, of which you have many. you have many. brave, saved a lot of lives, i suspect.

suspect. shot him and this would've been the end of it. end of it. obviously, for people very adept at handling a gun. handling a gun. teacher would have a concealed gun on them. on them. you would no longer have a gun free zone. zone. free zone is, let's go in and let's attack. it does not even feel like a week. week. knowing that people have, will have, ever going to feel like this. ever going to

feel like this. connecting with teachers and started actually enjoying school. actually enjoying school. don't know how i'm ever going to set foot in that place again. foot in that place again. angry that this happened because it keeps happening. keeps happening. mine in 11 happened once and they fixed everything. once and they fixed everything. many schools, how many children have to get shot? to get shot? it stops here with this administration and me. administration and me. i'm not going to sleep until it is fixed. to sleep until it is fixed. and mr president, we are going to fix it. president, we are going to fix it. i'm going to fix it. i'm not going to rest. and i am kissed.

daughter, she's not here, i'm not going to see her again. going to see her again. going to have serious talks about what is going on with school safety. what is going on with school safety. very important. ideas, the most important ideas that work, we're going to get them done. talk to diego

pfeiller. ashley, who as we heard on monday hid from the gunman. hid from the gunman. campaigner, why we are not invited to meet the president? to meet the president? sceptical of the session because we want our views to be that as well. want our views to be that as well. that you can change the world for the better, we want to speak to him. the better, we want to speak to him. as for our personal invitation, we did not get it. did not get it. the suggestion that teachers armed with guns could stop future attacks? with guns could stop future attacks? i personally do not agree with that viewpoint.

viewpoint. playground a rock to protect themselves? no. up with more children getting hurt with rocks. with rocks. specific answer when it comes to something like this. something like this. they could well end the attack very quickly. what do you think. stupid things, that ranks right up there. thatjust nuts. person who, on a daily basis, says stupid things.

it makes no sense. i'm supposed to teach and then supposed to be law enforcement? supposed to be law enforcement? how does that work? does that work? and this was somebody who voted for trump. somebody who voted for trump. you, she was killed when she was doing herjob as a reporter. doing herjob as a reporter. needs to happen to prevent future tragedies? tragedies? simple things that we can affect that can save lives. nothing is 100% sure. and! nothing is 100% sure. sure. having a debate about knives in this country as opposed to guns. country as opposed to guns. assault weapons, you put a limit on these magazines. these magazines. three simple things that you can do to save lives.

that you can do to save lives. you can do that, and still keep the second amendment intact. second amendment intact. las vegas, said he is doing something. something. right direction are good but they are only first steps. are only first steps. little more to come from our national government. national government. very open to some of our great ideas. ideas. well as mental health and school safety.

safety. going to get more bullets in the air, as ashley said. air, as ashley said. last week, they rejected a proposal to even debate banning such weapons. to even debate banning such weapons. diego, we are there? yes, we talked about that.

it was a political stu nt. on that specific... of you, in front of other survivors... survivors... bus up there, that is when we heard the news. the news. fact that they won't even debate banning arms? banning arms? bill they were talking about assault rifles. rifles. market, that wasn't even included in the bill. -- the ar 15. —— the ar 15. up with a slightly bigger one or a slightly smaller one and sell that. slightly smaller one and sell that. it doesn't solve the problem. understand why lawmakers rejected that idea.

that idea. legislator at the time when they did. do you think this genuinely is a tipping point? tipping point? previous mass shootings at schools in the us. in the us. was the election in virginia this past november. past november. republicans in the house of delegates. delegates. lawmakers anywhere across the country.

maybe small steps. they said sorry they wouldn't do that gone stocks. that gone stocks. happen until it gets done in the fall. fall. shot dead during a live interview —— andy parker. andy parker. this week and she was back again today.

thank you. youtube stars about how he got 4 million viewers. million viewers. jailed under new guidelines for judges. judges. we will be speaking to a survivor of domestic abuse. after a huge study has concluded that anti—depressants do work. effective at reducing symptoms of depression than dummy pills. among her senior ministers today. the cabinet‘s position on future relations with

the eu. has fallen in the year to last september. to 244,000. for national statistics since the 2016 eu referendum. now the sport with hugh. medal hopes after they took silver four years ago. four years ago. four years' time after he finished ninth in the men's slalom earlier.

ninth in the men's slalom earlier. from the mixed curling after being found guilty of doping. found guilty of doping. eight for england in the six nations clash with scotland. clash with scotland. he replaces the injured sam simmons. injured sam simmons. joe marling is back on the bench after suspension. back on the bench after suspension. more sport after 11. to thrash out the cabinet‘s position on future relations with the eu. over now to our political guru, norman smith. i can imagine this could be a very long meeting. is today the day? it is meant to be the day. the day. musketeers, and you might have heard of the three tenors. of the three

tenors. controls and checks and tariffs and all that sort of thing. all that sort of thing. the same terms as you do —— in each of the baskets there are bundles. of the baskets there are bundles. let's look at the first basket. this contains eu rules. contains eu rules. along with them, so that's not very controversial. controversial. second basket, this is eu light rules.

rules. but we would like to implement that with our own rules. with our own rules. ok with is that, but in the third basket our uk rules on their own. do things in the single market that way. way. that is much more problematic for eu leaders. for eu leaders. they will say no to that particular basket. that is the difficulty

here. manages to get her ministers to agree to. agree to. so there is still an awfully long way to go, i'm afraid. awfully long way to go, i'm afraid. thank you, norman. report back when the meeting is over. over. your back garden and load it to the internet. internet. interviewed top footballers, including ronaldo. including ronaldo. written a book called frills, skills and more pills. how you, chris? i'm good. how eu? how you got into going onto youtube and how do you make your money? and how do you make your money? m started as a hobby.

started as a hobby. for every view —— of a penny for every view. every view. and if there are enough, you can make it into a realjob. you can make it into a realjob. so it is each of you? it is each

of you? worked it out, and i'm —— i was doing this on a slow tuesday. doing this on a slow tuesday. it was a fraction of a penny. a fraction of a penny. enough, like i said, you can make it a job. enough, like i said, you can make it ajob. enough, like i said, you can make it a job. a job. don't know if it's the guy with ginger hair, is he a relative? is my cousin. your cousin. perfect. study to be a vet and at that stage a think you only had a subscribers. a think you only had a subscribers. so not enough to make a career —— 139 subscribers. was that a big gamble? i think! was that a big gamble? gamble? i think i had a at the time, so it wasn't too much of a gamble. so it wasn't too much of a gamble. was planning to be a vet —— i had a at the time. it was a

big gamble. off the computer console it was to come back inside and get on it. come back inside and get on it. think i got about 700,000, not that i keep track of them. i keep track of them. it went very well for me. well for me. down on propaganda —— said it would start. start. youtube is essentially advertising conceal that something else. conceal that something else.

aware of you are that when you put out your videos? whereof what, sorry? sorry? placement, but making it look like something else? something else? make it clear that you have an ad placement in your videos. placement in your videos. because you get brand deals and they will say here is an amount of money. will say here is an amount of money. at it and say yes or no and you see that as a good one. that as a good one. some people might not, but personally i do. might not, but personally i do.

partnership, if you are wearing a watch or something. watch or something. and it is illegal thing to do that now. now. certain amount of money, it's a bit dodgy. dodgy. careful about it and make it very clear. clear. becoming more and more clear in how important it is. important it is. young kids, boys in particular subscriber and watch your staff.

subscriber and watch your staff. different in real life but i'm quite similar. similar. whatever and you talk to people as yourself. yourself. and that is what he wears in real—life. real—life. you become more aware of that, certainly. that, certainly. much, chris, and good luck with the book. thanks for

coming in. were armoured, could deter shootings in us schools. is right, the cure for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. with a gun is a good guy with a gun. solution, imagine a teacher going crazy and shooting a class. crazy and shooting a class. teachers union must be astonished at such a suggestion. such a suggestion. thank you for your views. convicted of domestic abuse in england and wales. non—physical forms such as threats and social media.

and social media. abuse at the hands of her husband for 14 years. women in abusive relationships. katie ghose, chief executive of the charity, woman's aid. of the sentencing council. the thinking behind this change in the guidelines? the guidelines? produced by our predecessor organisation were 12 years ago. organisation were 12 years ago. serious than offences committed elsewhere. elsewhere. changed dramatically in the last 12 yea rs. changed dramatically in the last 12 years. years. scenario are more serious than in another environment.

why? it is not domestic violence by any means on its own. means on its own. have indicated, partners or other family members. family members. severe for people who plead guilty or are found guilty. or are found guilty. when it occurs in a domestic setting, if i can put it like that? setting, if i can put it like that?

with other people who raise you and care for you, allegedly. care for you, allegedly. or people with whom you live. with whom you live. an aggravated factor in a number of situations. situations. within a family situation makes that offence is much more serious. offence is much more serious. vivien rose, do you agree? rose, do you agree? should be more serious because of that bit of dust? that bit of dust? punishment should be serious or if they should act more quickly. they should act more quickly. because again you'll have to prove, the onus is still on the proofing. the onus is still on the proofing. this is the issue. you have intimate relationships. relationships. intimate you have to prove that what you say is true.

you say is true. associated with nonfamily relationships. relationships. what they are doing which many abusers do not understand. abusers do not understand. they justify it. justify it. still don't understand, do they katy. katy. control, which is at the heart of this matter. this matter. abuse to be reflected properly and sentencing. sentencing. can happen alongside threats of physical or sexual assault as well.

physical or sexual assault as well. it is like a catch—up. when the guidelines will last looked at. at. we now understand about the culture of domestic abuse. of domestic abuse. when you were subjected to domestic abuse. abuse. the boundaries of how we are supposed to relate. supposed to relate. now realising that he wasn't able to stop doing what he was doing. stop doing what he was doing. he was very physical. very physical. to, that went on for five years but i had it.

that's the wrong thing to do. to isolate yourself. you have to bring it out to people. bring it out to people. worse because it put me within his control. control. because you think, if it is my fault... fault... because you begin to question your south, bad? south, bad? didn't actually look at the fact that you don't deserve it. the fact that you don't deserve it. . it is not to do with you. . it is not to do with you. their right to manipulate another human being. human being. still have a responsibility with how i speak to them.

i speak to them. their partner should be doing to them. them. organisation that has produced these new sentencing guidelines. antidepressants suggests that they do work. do work. feel better and the views of the patient are ignored.

beating ed sheeran in the processs. response to the grenfell fire. who was at the brits last night. let's start with stormzy, quite a night of surprises for him. night of surprises for him. because he was getting ready to perform, and boy did he perform. perform, and boy did he perform. criticism of theresa may and grennan fell. fell. think we had forgotten about grenfell tower is? grenfell tower is?

survivors after people were killed in the fire last year? in the fire last year? i think we have a club of his performance. have a club of his performance. —— i think we have a clip. # yo theresa may, where's the money for grenfell? # what, you thought we just forgot about grenfell? # we should burn your house down and seaview can manage this! #. prime minister and saying, you have not kept any of your promises. not kept any of your promises. like him are not the folks that they are portrayed as in the media. are portrayed as in the media. he criticises the daily mail.

criticises the daily mail. oscarfor his role in the horror film get out. film get out. that he had a platform and he was going to use it to make a statement. going to use it to make a statement. he also won best album. last year was the tenth best selling album. album. ed sheeran sold millions and millions and millions. millions and millions. do we feel sorry for ed sheeran? sorry for ed sheeran? we can't come living the dream. living the dream. living the dream and he has just got engaged. engaged. around the world, he is literally living the dream.

living the dream. and the fact that they were ignoring crime as a music genre. crime as a music genre. so they changed a panel of those who vote. changed a panel of those who vote. dua lipa because more women are on that voting panel now. that voting panel now. let's remember how these things work. remember how these things work. should you pick to vote for an award. award. the name of dua lipa keeps coming up. coming up. who is put forward, they currently releva nt. who is put forward, they currently relevant.

relevant. and british breakthrough act, she said it was the women. said it was the women. industry's nod to the metoo campaign. thank you, chi chi. back tomorrow at nine, bbc newsroom is next, live. you can see from our weather watch photo in gateshead. photo in gateshead. some sunny spells breaking through. spells breaking through. are seeing perhaps more clouds developing.

developing. between five and seven celsius, just a little colder than yesterday. a little colder than yesterday. there will be more frost around for tomorrow morning. tomorrow morning. down from —12 —4, perhaps lower than that in the countryside. that in the countryside. increasingly south—easterly wind making it feel much colder. bye bye. this is bbc

news. and these are the top stories developing at 11. among her senior ministers later. government to spell out what it wants from brexit talks. wants from brexit talks. the uk is at its highest point for a decade. as he meets with survivors of last week's shooting in florida. at changes to pensions. and says it's working to minimise disruption. disruption for students as lecturers in leeds take to the picket lines. in leeds take to the picket

lines. be marching to the town hall in the next hour. next hour. we will have the latest from the picket line.