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is critically ill in england after being exposed to an unknown substance. sergei skripal has been living in the uk since a prisoner swap between russian and the us in 2010. he's being treated in salisbury in the south of england. delegates at china's national people's congress have welcomed a plan to abolish presidential term limits, which could hand the current president, xijinping, a mandate for life. and this story is trending on bbc.com — a man is being held on suspicion of stealing frances mcdormand's oscar after the awards on sunday. terry bryant was arrested after the statuette went missing. it's since been returned to the best actress winner. that's all from me now. stay with bbc world news. now on bbc news, it's time for extra time. welcome. following the recent death
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of sir roger bannister, we thought you might like to seek for a second timea you might like to seek for a second time a special interview he gave the programme in may 2000 and four. it was recorder on the 50th anniversary of the day when he became the first man to run a sub four—minute mile. we met on the same track in oxford where this historic achievement took place. welcome to the special edition of extra time. just like 1954. high edition of extra time. just like 195a. high winds, cold. edition of extra time. just like 1954. high winds, cold. youjust need a bit more rain. it really is very similar? absolutely. it is england, early may. equinoctial u psets england, early may. equinoctial upsets in weather. a really stupid time to try to break a record. but there we are. john landy was on the
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way to finland. this was your great rival. the american confidence, e way to finland. this was your great rival. the american cc cowboy, e way to finland. this was your great rival. the american cc cowboy, and he i ‘n i’m going to do it. i'm going to do it. you beat said, i'm going to do it. you beat him to it, and you beatjohn landy. before we talk specifically about that day here, 50 years ago, but the four—minute mile into a context for me. it was described by landy is a concrete wall, something that was impossible to do. like a cement wall. he had done 4.2 on six occasions. 0nly wall. he had done 4.2 on six occasions. only 15 yards. wejust didn't seem to be able to get through that. he was talking about it being a physical barrier, but i couldn't see that. four minutes two, under the conditions, it pace
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judgement, you can breakfour minutes. it was a psychological barrier. but it was a barrier that galvanised not only the british public, but athletics fans around the world. they had been talking about it for almost 100 years. pas voters did for point ten. everything was moving in that direction. it was clear that somebody was going to do it. well, the swedes did four minutes 1.4. they were not involved in the war. 1953... 1943. they flip—flopped six times. in the war. 1953... 1943. they flip-flopped six times. they had the crucial ingredient to break records, which was several of them, all of comparable calibre. it was the era of trying to recognise achievement. that the point. i think so. britain wasn't dead of the country, and i did try to do it in 1953. i thought
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that would be rather nice. the pace judgement was not fast enough. the three quarters was 3.05, and you cannot do the last lap. it all had to wait then until everything was ready for may 19 54. and it came to it in ready for may 19 54. and it came to itina ready for may 19 54. and it came to it in a sense of a very disappointing 0lympics it in a sense of a very disappointing olympics in 1952. that is why i did it, why i went on. i had, my innocence, planned to win the olympic gold medal in helsinki, 1500 metres, and my medical studies we re 1500 metres, and my medical studies were getting more and more demanding and soi were getting more and more demanding and so i had planned to retire at the end of story. i did so badly, eve ryo ne the end of story. i did so badly, everyone was so disappointed, the press said, you should have done this and that, if only you had listened to us, you would have won it. the chances of winning an 0lympic title are always against you. john landy didn't win in melbourne, ron dela ny
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you. john landy didn't win in melbourne, ron delany came through. i suppose that is why spot —— sport is fascinating. so you hatched a plan. yes, we had run together for yea rs plan. yes, we had run together for years and the secret was to do the three quarters mile within three minutes flat, and training to be a steeplechaser, he didn't have the speed to go further than half a mile and the first lap, i got a speed to go further than half a mile and the first lap, i gota bit impatient and i shouted, faster, faster! we're going to fast already? i want to hear about the plans... the plan was very simple. it couldn't have been simpler. chris brasher would run a mile and kristian away with takeover and he would go on as long as he could and then i would take over. it is all about pacing. as far as the
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preparation was concerned, on the day, when you look at how professional athletes themselves ready now for major championships, with all due respect, your preparations were pretty... ltd. i went to the medical school. i didn't feel like doing much work —— ltd. a sharpened up my spikes. we ran on very loose —— primitive. i think they think the cinders were about... iran about four seconds slobber. rubbed a little graphite on the spikes. so they would come in and out neatly without collecting cinder and ash. this is your medical school in london, wasn't it? yes. and then got a in london, wasn't it? yes. and then gota train, in london, wasn't it? yes. and then got a train, and as it happened, when i was going, the coach to crisp ratio and then to chris chat away and then i joined ratio and then to chris chat away and then ijoined the trio, and...
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you bumped into him on the train? yes. i said, i you bumped into him on the train? yes. isaid, i reckoned at you bumped into him on the train? yes. i said, i reckoned at that time it wasn't worth attempting, as even if i'd exhorted myself in the impossible weather and done or .1, eve ryo ne impossible weather and done or .1, everyone would be disappointed and, oh, he has failed. are you saying this was the one and only opportunity? it was the first opportunity? it was the first opportunity that year, and john landy had just arrived in finland. he had finished the australian summer, our winter, and he had finished the australian summer, ourwinter, and the he had finished the australian summer, our winter, and the finns had said, you know, they knew he was looking at the door, and they said come to finland, they give you the pasting you need, and there were perfect tracks and the finns were also absolutely obsessed almost with running, so it had to be done very quickly, and that was why one would
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normally think of trying to break a record on a windy, wet, cold english may day. so you're right at oxford station with your coach, then you went and had lunch with a friend... the people i have stayed with when i was earlier studying here, i had left 0xford, was earlier studying here, i had left oxford, and i had lunch with the children and just tried to allow my mind... the waiting is one of the worst parts of athletics. perhaps any sport. participation in anticipation, fear. and you value will never go through this again. you say absolutely it isn't worth this agony. and then the thought was, well, will i get another chance? will landy do it first? would you forgive yourself if you missed this possible opportunity? and eventually, i reckon about half an hour before i was looking at a
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flag on that church steeple, which the flat was broken, but it will be here on the sixth. i used that as a wind gauge. and what was telling you? it was telling me about half an hour before, that things were beginning to slacken and get a bit less windy. so i thought, well, let's do it. i hope the wind stays down, you know, a gentle five minutes, and then chris brasher did a false start, which was a waste of time. you must have been serious then. well, he is not usual to make false starts in the mile. so then brasher leads off... he leads off andi brasher leads off... he leads off and i think he's going to slowly because i suppose i have had a rest for several days from running, and soi for several days from running, and so i shout, faster, faster, and he
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ta kes so i shout, faster, faster, and he takes no notice whatsoever. he said, well, i thought i was probably doing it at the right speed, and he said, i couldn't go any faster anyway. so he does a good first lap, 58, you run the first 15 yards faster, you sprint until you get a good position. the times were called out. everybody could hear the time. the new settled down to what is a four—minute mile pace, as closely as you can, 60 seconds, and they did the next lap in 60 seconds, so it was a the next lap in 60 seconds, so it wasa 1.5 the next lap in 60 seconds, so it was a 1.5 8/2 mile. you knew you we re was a 1.5 8/2 mile. you knew you were on course at that time. we were absolutely on course. he felt we we re absolutely on course. he felt we were slowing and i think, i said, you know, whatever i did say to him, chris, come up, chris chat away. and then he took over. it is inevitable that the third lap slows, you know, it just
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that the third lap slows, you know, itjust happens that the third lap slows, you know, it just happens in that the third lap slows, you know, itjust happens in pretty well all races. and chris took me through the three quarters mile in three minutes point five. so we had slowed at the last lap was, the third lap was 62, and soi last lap was, the third lap was 62, and so i had to do the last lap in 59 andi and so i had to do the last lap in 59 and i was really trying to decide what moment to overtake him. because it was a help, while he was the head and gave the right speed, and if i had overtaken him on the next two last bend, i would have had to have run wide and that would have been a bit of total extra distance and i didn't want to run more than 1760 yards. so i waited until he was really just coming into yards. so i waited until he was reallyjust coming into the straight andi reallyjust coming into the straight and i could overtake him without running any extra distance. and then i had running any extra distance. and then ihad to... running any extra distance. and then i had to... the last 100 yards or
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so. i had to... the last 100 yards or so. the whole of the last corner, bend, and the finishing straight, i just didn't know whether my legs we re just didn't know whether my legs were getting slower, although my brain was telling them to very much keep going. we are about ten yards or so now from the line. we are near the line now. as you reach this point, what were you feeling is that moment? you are about to... well, my feelings were that i was so close, that i couldn't really believe i'd failed, other stopwatches held the a nswer failed, other stopwatches held the answer and i had to wait, i couldn't move answer and i had to wait, i couldn't m ove eve ryo ne answer and i had to wait, i couldn't move everyone around , answer and i had to wait, i couldn't move everyone around, and your blood pressure falls because of blood vessels are pressure falls because of blood vessels a re rolled pressure falls because of blood vessels are rolled violated and collapsed. i think about the time i was recovering, i heard them making
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the great announcement, which he said he had rehearsed in the bath the night before. you know what it was. well, it was that he started with three minutes, and that nobody else heard anything... 1200 people there... it was and that he started with three minutes, it was the preamble, you know, everybody was waiting, and he said the result is number 41... waiting, and he said the result is number 41. .. banister of exeter and merton college in a time which, subject to ratification, will be track record, english record, english native record, british allcomers record, european record, world record and then three. that was it. in the immediate aftermath. the sense of achievement, your pa rents were the sense of achievement, your parents were here as well, won't they? i didn't ask them. they were brought without my knowledge. no, i
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suppose that we went off to london, the bbc‘s sportsnight had just been started and so i was on that, and we went off and had dinner, friends, partners, and we thought, well, we might as well wait and see what the newspaper said. so we went into a nightclub until about two will clock in the morning and we thought, well, it does seem to be causing quite a ke rfuffle. it does seem to be causing quite a kerfuffle. you had some cabaret in the nightclub, is that right?|j don't think i did. they said i sung something, but it is inconceivable, impossible. we left using time on your hands on a nightclub on the following day. you have claimed that, but i could not possibly comment. you certainly celebrated the achievement. you had about two hours sleep as i understand it that night. the following day, busy again, in london, at oxford, back to london, and the press by now were... the three of us did have a bit of
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time together and we climbed harrow hill, not much of a hill, and we look doubt that evening over london, because he could see the lights, and i remember a conversation with them, they may not remember it, but what should we do now? and of course, we won't just should we do now? and of course, we won'tjust thinking should we do now? and of course, we won't just thinking about athletics. which of course, was coming to an end in one way or another, the others went on longer, but what you do? and for me, it was straightforward. i would go on and do medicine. let me take you forward six weeks to mid june and finland, and tokyo and —— landi breaks record. are new here would do it, it was questionable whether we get it here before he did because we had shown that he was physically capable, probably stronger i was and he just
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needed to have a decent pace in the early pa rt needed to have a decent pace in the early part of the race. he shattered it really, took it down the. —— took down the. yes, that is 12 or whatever. as far as that was concerned, your contacts with landy we re concerned, your contacts with landy were not especially frequent, but he sent congratulations after your record and he sent him. you just wonder whether there might not have been some kind of professional jealousy. i was much more friendly with him and actually got to know him after the race in vancouver. i think before you race against a major opponent, jealousy is not the word, it's just you are a bit circumspect. you are supposed to be racing against them. they are, in a
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metaphorical sense, the enemy. but afterwards it didn't matter at all and we have kept in touch, we see one another every year and he is now governor of victoria and on his way to england now. you have mentioned vancouver, why do we go there now? this was another six weeks, it was the empire games and you arrived some two weeks before the final and you met landy as soon as you arrived and it then didn't see him again until the race. no, and it then didn't see him again untilthe race. no, we were not seeking each other out but we really happened to coincide in our training. idid happened to coincide in our training. i did most of my training away from the track, he did those of his on the track. leaving secretive? well no, i ran on grass because by then i could work as hard as i would on the track and it was so much easier and less strain on the
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muscles, so i didn't regard track running. this was clearly a big deal. it was more important than the formula 1 and this is the race i _7'* yes, and if landy setting records. yes, and if landy had beaten me, i don't think the four minute mile would have mattered, he would have been the best. talk us through that. it was a very hot day, quite different from the day in may. conditions were good and landy ran off immediately. like and landy ran off immediately. like a train. and i thought he is too fast, he will either break the world record by five seconds or he will slow down, in which case i will have the advantage of. i decided that as
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the advantage of. i decided that as the early part of the race was so fast, instead of starting a sprint at 200 or something, i had to leave it late and that was the moment when i put the first in the. that was the strength of your game, a strong finish. as you crossed the line, i ask you in a sense to recapture the moment, this was bigger than the four—minute mile. moment, this was bigger than the four-minute mile. that was the first time that two people had done at. i would say the feeling was really, relief. it could have gone badly and ina relief. it could have gone badly and in a sense it rather made up for failure in helsinki and i only got one more race to go before retiring and that race was the european race and that race was the european race andi and that race was the european race and i think by then i was feeling fairly confident that i could handle that one. release, you know, career
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over and as i said in the diary as i wrote, finis. let me conclude by asking you a personal question. what is your philosophy of running?|j asking you a personal question. what is your philosophy of running? i put it in the new edition of the book which i put 50 years ago, which i didn't expect to return to. saying that they were something about my description of my early life which sort of rather inspire them try to do things. the way i had put it, i reflected on rereading this book, that however ordinary each of us may seem, we are all in somewhere special and can do that are extraordinary,. and when the broad sweep of life is viewed, sport, instinctive and physical, illustrates a universal truth that
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most of us find effort and struggled deeply satisfying, harnessing and almost primaeval instinct to fight and to survive. i think that is what i would say, but i don't believe that running was really more than a metaphorfor other that running was really more than a metaphor for other struggles and everybody is trying to balloon to the atlantic and died 400 feet, everybody has a was wanted to do this and it is fine if you don't risk your life doing it and you don't risk other people ‘s lives trying to, when you haven't done it. you have talked and written also that the freedom that running gives you. yes. freedom of choice. when i was chairman of the sports council i believed that every person, nearly everybody, had some kind of psychological link which made them attuned to a certain activity, seem
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more solitary, climbing mountains, playing cricket. this range should be explored by the young because at the age of 13, 14, you don't know what you are going to be best at. your body shape can change. i believe that if they trying ——a choice of activities were wide enough, you find something irresistible and get involved at about five years later he probably achieve quite a lot of success and you find you have grown up, you have learned a lot. that is what i would like to give as a message. thank you very much forjoining us on this addition of extra time. hello there.
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temperatures continue to gradually rise, that means any snow confined to the high ground in scotland and communities that have been hard hit by the severe fall of snow continue to dig out as the snow gradually melts away. but it is going to be a long road. looking at the weather picture for the next few days. the jet stream is well to the south of the uk and that means is there's nothing to move this area of low pressure along, so instead it will set, spinning around over the top of the uk and there will be some fronts around the low, bringing spells of rain and hill snow. for the early risers, tuesday morning, it will be a wintry start of the day across higher parts of scotland. you can see some white here on the charts as the rain moves into the high ground and turns to snow. quite a chilly start to the day as well, some pockets of frost out
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and about, so prepare yourself for a futures of ice first thing in the morning. looking at the weather on tuesday, the most severe weather will be a cross higher parts of scotland, if we zoom in and focused on this area, we are looking at around a 200 metre elevation for the worst, we could get around 5—10 centimetres but that means some of the higher scottish routes will be affected and could well be disruptive due to the weather. towards the coast and low down as well, it is rain that will be falling, but the rain combined with melting snow could bring a problem of some surface water flooding across low—levels of eastern scotland as well. elsewhere the weather is quite quiet, a few showers across western areas, spells in the south—east where temperatures reached 12 degrees but snow still coming down on the high ground in scotland. most of the snow will tend to ease off as we go into tuesday night into wednesday, but another front will sneak across the english channel and curling back along south—east england and east anglia, so on wednesday morning it looks like it could be a wet start to the day. the rain will ease and we will see some brighter skies working in, again and number of showers
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across the west and showers still wintry across the highest parts of scotland but the temperatures recovering, looking at highs of six in edinburgh. a quiet day for most areas on thursday, a few mist and fog patches and an area of rain not far from the south coast of england, some wet weather here but otherwise, many areas will stay largely dry with some bright or sunny spells at temperatures between six and nine degrees celsius. things will stay on the cool side on the whole of a northern half of the uk but it will be relatively mild in the south in the run—up to the weekend. that is your weather. i'm mariko 0i in singapore. the headlines: a former russian double agent who spied for britain is critically ill in hospital after being exposed to an unknown substance. as delegates from south korea met
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officials in the north, the leader says he wants to write a new history of reunification. i'm kasia madera in london. also in the programme: china's national people's congress welcomes plans to abolish term limits for the country's president — a move that could leave xi jinping in power indefinitely. and going home with 0scar gold. the movies with something to celebrate after hollywood's because the night.
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