tv Beyond 100 Days BBC News March 15, 2018 7:00pm-8:01pm GMT
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you're watching beyond 100 days on pbs. donald trump slaps sanctions on russia and offers a rare criticism of moscow, after a conversation with theresa may. on both the poisoning of sergei skripal and russian meddling in the us election, the white house is pushed to take a tougher line on putin. as tests continues at skripal‘s house in salisbury — britain, france, germany and the us issue a rarejoint statement condemning the kremlin for the attack. meanwhile russia denies it made the nerve agent used in that attack and promises to retaliate against both britain and america. in miami a pedestrian bridge has collapsed. we are getting reports of multiple fatalities. we'll bring you the latest. also on the programme. new reports in washington that special counsel bob mueller has subpoenaed donald trump's business records. the president has said that would be a red line. long dark winters and summers bathed in continual light might drive some mad, but the people of finland are in fact the happiest in the world.
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get in touch with us using the hashtag beyond—one—hundred—days. hello and welcome — i'm katty kay in washington and christian fraser is in london. the west today came together in an unusual, coordinated criticism of russia's aggressive behaviour. there was a joint statement from britain's allies and new sanctions from washington. after a string of what are being called malicious actions from moscow, it sounds like western allies have had enough. even donald trump, normally loathe to criticise president putin, has been pushed to drop the ambiguity, blaming moscow for the events in salisbury. in response to russia's interference in the us election, his own treasury department added more sanctions against russians today. and yet there is still the very real question of how much tougher the west is really prepared to be against the kremlin. here's james landale.
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this was theresa may's first visit to salisbury since the nerve agent attack. a chance to be briefed by the police and public health experts, but a chance to meet and reassure members of the public, whose lives have been so disrupted. the spirit of those that live here has been fantastic. she visited the scene of the attack on the former russian intelligence officer and his daughter 11 days ago. the restaurant where they ate and a park bench, under a tent, where they were found. the prime minister thanked some of the police officers who first responded to the call. thank you, what you did is what the police do day in and day out. you go to a routine call, you don't know what you find. then at the local hospital she met and thanked detective sergeant nick bailey, who is still recovering from exposure to the nerve agent. russia, she said, was guilty of a brazen and despicable attack. she expelled 23 of its diplomats,
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but is ready to do more. there are other things we're looking at. if we face further provocation from russia there are other measures we can deploy. what is important in the international arena and we have taken this into nato, the united nations and we will be taking it into the european union, allies are standing alongside us. that came in a joint statement from the leaders of britain, france, germany and the us, blaming russia for what they called an assault on uk sovereignty. i spoke with the prime minister and we are in deep discussions, very sad situation and it looks like the russians are behind it. something that should never, ever happen and we are taking it very seriously, as i think
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are many others. the joint statement is significant because it shows the foreign office and downing street are convincing britain's allies that the salisbury attack is different, it represents an escalation of russia's hostile behaviour. and as such, those allies are ready to crank up the pressure on moscow. that diplomacy continued today in brussels, where british security officials briefed nato allies. the head of the alliance said russia had clearly breached international agreements. it is important to express strong, political support to the united kingdom, sending a clear message that the united kingdom is not alone. we stand together with them. in moscow, president putin discussed the salisbury case with his ministers, who denied russia and the soviet union had ever run a novichok nerve agent programme and promised to respond soon to the expulsion of its diplomats. the porton down military
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research laboratory, which identified the nerve agent, is to get an extra £48 million infunding. ministers confirmed it would provide a sample to the chemical watchdog. ministers, whose diplomacy is not extending to russia. if you are a nation and another nation has launched a nerve agent attack on your people, you have every right to tell russia to shut up and go away. meanwhile, this afternoon near salisbury, the investigation continued with the army recovering a carfrom the village near the home of detective sergeant nick bailey. we'll get more on this story in a minute. we are getting breaking news from miami, where a pedestrian bridge at florida international university has collapsed. there are reports that several people have been killed in the accident. these
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are live pictures from miami. at least three vehicles, we understand, are underneath the bridge and a number of injured people have been treated. the bridge, which was only opened on saturday, connected the university to a student housing area. the miami herald is reporting that those firemen you can see their around the bridge have been working through a hole, so they are getting some access to the vehicles underneath, and we've seen pictures in the last few minutes of paramedics also treating people on the road close to the bridge. police are telling people to stay away from the area now, of course. does remind oui’ the area now, of course. does remind our viewers it's about 3pm on the east coast in miami. there would have been a lot of people travelling on the highway and that bridge has just been opened for a few days. we'll have more on this story as we get it. let's return to the story, straight to moscow, because our colleague lucy hawking is is there. we're still awaiting a response from
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the russian authorities. it will come, it will be no surprise. what are we expecting? it's snowing on us here in moscow and we really should, i suppose, use a metaphor and an analogy because relations between britain and russia are really in the deep freeze, the worst they've been for the past 30 years and christian kimura right, it we're expecting that response from the kremlin some time soon —— christian, you are right. we've had some indications as to what it could be. sergei lavrov suggesting some british diplomatic staff will be expelled from russia, possibly. they said that when this response comes it will be different from how they we heard from the british, they will behave like gentlemen and will let the british here through official channels before the public here. we can show some pictures of vladimir putin, he's been taking this into
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consideration today, meeting with his security council and the line we had from this meeting is that great concern was expressed about the destructive and provocative stance taken destructive and provocative stance ta ken by destructive and provocative stance taken by britain. the other thing that has constantly been stressed here is they are still wanting and waiting for evidence to be produced by the british, to back up these allegations. we've been hearing on the programme over the last couple of days that the actions theresa may has so far announced won't necessarily worry the kremlin. what's your sense of whether people in the russian government are feeling the heat over this one? it's a great question and i think that one of the interesting things, listening to the state television today, is that there are some a nalysts today, is that there are some analysts here who thought that theresa may would have gone further, that these sanctions aren't as strong as they could have been, and maybe she's got others up her sleeve, particularly into if we get into a tit—for—tat situation and she's still holding on for some
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measures. if you speak to people on the streets, there is a massive sense of indignation here. they believe russia has been falsely accused of something and people have all sorts of interesting allegations to toss britain's way. for instance, they say that this is britain wanting to interfere in russia's build—up to the world cup, wanting to interfere in the elections which are taking place in a few days' time, wanting to belittle russia and make britain look great game, at a time when they feel britain looks on its knees because of brexit. just a few hours ago, state television said this was about britain's centuries old imperial rivalry with brusher >> weather— macro: russia. old imperial rivalry with brusher >> weather—macro: russia. they old imperial rivalry with brusher >> weather— macro: russia. they gave ten examples, in 1917 king george v refused to receive the far's family in london, that's the kind of rhetoric we are seeing on state television this evening —— king
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george v refused to receive the tsar's family in london. let's look at thejoint statement tsar's family in london. let's look at the joint statement from nato allies. it says... how are putin's supporters responding? natalia narochnitskaya is the former vice chair of the international affairs committee in the russian state duma and is currently campaigning across the country for president putin. he's up for re—election. thanks very much forjoining the programme. is it plausible for the russian government at this stage after the brits have investigated what has happened and this nerve agent to say really we had nothing to do with this? well, i believe, i don't know whether my participation has any
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sense, because i remember the episodes in the british house of commons when jeremy episodes in the british house of commons whenjeremy corbyn was silenced when he was asking legitimate questions, but of course i will try, since i come here to the studio. as far as i understand, as i know, there's still nobody has seen real proof of that was russia behind and it would take someone insane, i mean in russia's authorities circle, to organise such an eventjust before the election. the legitimate question, the first question we a lwa ys question, the first question we always ask ourselves when we investigate, when we face similar cases, who is profiting? is russia profiting from this? i think it would be insane to... as we proved,
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our foreign minister has said they we re our foreign minister has said they were asking just give us the material. what the british prime minister is saying is there is no plausible alternative explanation and you have now germany, france, the united kingdom and the united states all saying that the kremlin is responsible for this and has behaved in a way that is outrageous. well, that's not cricket, because the allies are just supporting, they don't know anything about the case. you know, my only relative, the brother of my father, perished in stalin's concentration camp and what i saw stalin's concentration camp and what isaw in stalin's concentration camp and what i saw in the british house of commons reminds me of how the trial in the soviet union of stalin's time went, when the prosecutor general was accusing crime is absolutely unbelievable scale and all the rest
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we re unbelievable scale and all the rest were competing in loyalty, you know, pronouncing ardent speeches. there's only one person to ask for the proof. this is quite extraordinary, that you are about to have election on sunday where there is no opposition and the opposition isn't allowed to stand and you are picking holes in british democracy where people are having a legitimate debate. we have a position, we have eight candidates and for instance the latest several rounds of debates on tv, people even slapped each other and were accusing putin and the current authorities of all sorts of... etc, etc. you call opposition only someone in the street, you know, that means that for instance your labour party is not opposition,
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etc, so opposition in some marginals only. we have opposition, we have eight candidates, and i'm sure they will gain some votes. for instance, the communist party, candidates, who is not a member of the party, will get 10%, i'm sure. another will get not less than 6% and all the rest, two or three. i'm sorry, we have to leave it there. but thank you very much for coming into the studio. we are out of time. as we mentioned, the us has slapped sanctions on 19 russian individuals and five groups, including moscow's intelligence services, for meddling in the us presidential election. for more we can cross now to the bbc‘s north america editor, jon sopel. it's extraordinary, listening to the indignant is from moscow. quite strong feelings there. there were people who were concerned that maybe president trump wouldn't put his name to this condemnation. what we've seen today is him standing.
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behind the prime minister. well, it looks as though theresa may has managed to pull something off that all the us intelligence services have singular lee failed to do. and that's to bring the president onside into believing that the russians we re into believing that the russians were responsible for something that was not good and i think it was very striking, when i saw the statement classmate issued by sarah sanders, the press secretary to the president, condemning the russian activity, accepting that russia was likely responsible, accepting that it was the right thing to do to expel those diplomats and perhaps taking further action, then this morning donald trump doing something rather trump, which was to sign a joint letter with the leaders of the uk, france and germany, in condemnation of what russia was doing and saying was offending the norms of international behaviour and destabilising, and he's also repeated that in terms in his meeting with the taoiseach. these are things we haven't seen from the president before. stay with us,
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because i want to get your reaction to another story that's breaking here about russia will stop the new york times is reporting that the special counsel bob mueller has subpoenaed mr trump's financial records to do with any russian business activities. it's the first time the investigation has subpoenaed trump's business records. here's the white house press secretary a few moments ago. as we've maintained all along and as the president has said numerous times, there was no collusion between the campaign and russia for specific questions regarding the trump organisation, i'd refuse you to them. how significant is this news breaking in the new york times? it is significant for tit reasons. it is significant for tit reasons. it shows the bob mueller investigation is going on, it's not coming toa investigation is going on, it's not coming to a close, its not pack up and go home and a couple of weeks' time. this is going on. the second reason it is significant is that donald trump gave an interview to the new york times last summer in
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which he said, look, if you start coming after my family's finances, that would be crossing a red line. all of which leaves open the question has the bob mueller investigation with the supreme crossed one of those red line that donald trump set, so potentially dangerous moment for the investigation. we had sarah sanders say i refer you to the trump organisation. let me tell you what they have said in the last few moments. sincejuly they have said in the last few moments. since july 2017 they have said in the last few moments. sincejuly 2017 we've advised the public that the trump organisation is fully cooperative with all investigations, including the special counsel, and is responding to their requests. this is old news and our assistance in cooperation with the various investigations remain the same today. i suppose my only question i would throw in, if they'd been cooperating so fully with the bob mueller organisation, why would there have been a need for a subpoena? yeah, i've been asking that question as well. what do mr trump supporters make of this news?
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kayleigh mcenany is the spokesperson for the republican national committee. i want to get the reaction to the news in the new york times that bob mueller has subpoenaed the trump organisation for the business records. how significant is it? not very significant. the trump organisation has been cooperating and will co—operate further and bob mueller has subpoenaed these documents. they've already been given 20,000 documents from the trump organisation, from the white house, from the campaign. they've got 37 witnesses. the trump administration, campaign and organisation of been fully cooperating. there are hundreds of thousands of pages of documents that they found no collusion. there will be no collusion that is found and we hope... if bob mueller is investigating president trump's business dealings and looking at those and he finds something there, the president has said this would be crossing a red line. what does that actually mean in terms of the
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investigation? could he fire bob mueller over this? i think president trump trusts mr muller to stay within hisjurisdiction trump trusts mr muller to stay within his jurisdiction and trump trusts mr muller to stay within hisjurisdiction and that trump trusts mr muller to stay within his jurisdiction and that was what he was indicating, that it should not be a free rein to look into anyone with the name trump. everything the trump organisation has done has been aboveboard and that's what bob mueller will find, he'll not find any evidence of collusion, any bad financial transactions here, so they will co—operate as they indicated. there will be nothing found and all president trump wants is for this to wrap up quickly and fairly. we've had an announcement today, we have a new national economic adviser larry kudlow, who is coming to the building, rex tillerson on his way out of course, he'll be gone in a few weeks' time and the rumours are starting to circulate about who else might go, hr mcmaster, the national security adviser. it looks pretty chaotic from over here. it's not chaotic from over here. it's not chaotic at all. here's what trump supporters look at and americans generally are the results coming out of the administration and their
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staff changes, yes, there is a lot of power century in our mainstream media, but look at the results, the economy, the fact north korea is willing to temporarily stop their missile testing and pursues a meeting with the president. that's what trump supporters and americans are looking at. the staff changes are looking at. the staff changes are ina are looking at. the staff changes are in a footnote to a bigger story. it does give an impression there have been more people leaving this administration in the first year that —— that —— than is customary and it's understandable as reports of chaos because so many people are coming and going. president trump is a very high standard and if someone isn't meeting that standard, president trump... does everyone else in the white house meeting standard at the moment?” else in the white house meeting standard at the moment? i think at the moment, yes, if someone loses the moment, yes, if someone loses the confidence and they will know. president trump did push back reports that other people would be
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leaving. mr mcmaster stays for now. we'll see if it changes by next week. we'll get you back in if it does because it changes a lot. the appointment of larry kudlow is interesting, he's somebody who is a conservatives television commentator and here's what he did last night, christian, when he was on television himself. he spoke very unusual this about how he was called and asked to be in the trump administration. his a nswer be in the trump administration. his answer was the president called me, told him he'd seen him on television and said that he was very handsome. opec smack there is hope for us all. you should be sending in your resume. you look handsome on tv. do you think he'd read it?|j resume. you look handsome on tv. do you think he'd read it? i think it would have to be a picture of you on television. lycos is all real, my bad clips. there a valid point to be
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made that the president needs to have around him any president needs to have around them a team with which they are comfortable and we've seen the changes in the state department. he was clearly not co mforta ble department. he was clearly not comfortable with rex tillerson. he was clearly not comfortable either with gary cohen, so having a new person running the economic side of things makes an awful lot of sense in terms of how you're going to operate the white house. if you can get the team with him that he's co mforta ble get the team with him that he's comfortable with we may see less of this churn in the white house. and yet five months ago this was the most remarkable group of people he'd ever brought together in the cabinet and if you read the papers, and i know some of it is speculation, the atmosphere, both within the cabinet and within the white house in general, i mean people don't have any confidence they're going to be there next week. no, he was elected because he didn't have experience of running politics and political organisations. well, part of that leads to a certain amount of players in the stuffing i guess, so that's perhaps to be expected from what is voters wanted from him —— a certain amount of chaos in the stuffing.
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i want to share some spectacular pictures coming to us from finland. they are the northern lights of course, and christian, i want you take a good look them. how do they make you feel? humbled perhaps? maybe there's a happy—go—lucky and feeling when you look at the aurora borealis. i just feeling when you look at the aurora borealis. ijust feel feeling when you look at the aurora borealis. i just feel rather green! do you? apparently you can see it from england tonight, from gloucestershire. we'll have to find out tomorrow if the people of gloucestershire are happy tomorrow. maybe there's something in it. shall we get back to finland? you were meant to say you feel very happy. that's the reason we are showing these pictures, not because they are beautiful but because they come from the happiest country on earth. apart from economic factors, life expectancy and freedom of choice —
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the countries were also ranked based on the happiness of immigrants in the country. scandinavia is well represented in the top five. apart from other european countries, canada, new zealand and australia round out the top ten. as for the us and the uk — 18th and 19th respectively. i don't understand, i'm always hearing people in scandinavian countries, don't they have high suicide rates? that was always the feeling about finland, because of the dark nights, the long, dark nights and the vari—lite summers, that they had a higher than average suicide rate. —— very light source. america's subjective well—being is being systematically undermined by three interrelated epidemic diseases. notable obesity, substance abuse, especially opioid addiction,
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and depression, and that's why they think america is slipping down the table. also notable that when we talk about income and society of the way society interacts, venezuela has dropped 20 places to 102 on the list. they didn't have our studio, which of course is the happiest place on the planet, right? and burnley, as well, seventh in the league and doing well! anyway... this is. this is beyond 100 days from the bbc. coming up for viewers on the bbc news channel and bbc world news — a sombre anniversary in syria — seven years since the outbreak of civil war, what's the world doing about it? and the changing face of national geographic — why its editor wants to talk to us about its racist past. that's still to come. welcome to how the weather is going
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to pan out in the british isles. in the short term we are looking to the atlantic, to see low—pressure driving frontal systems towards the british isles. if you spend the day in northern and eastern parts it's been one of those, it's been wet, cold, pretty miserable affairs, snow across the high ground of scotland. we're watching another feature running into the south—western quarter of the british isles, so as we start the new day on friday not a particularly cold start the day but it will be for some of you are really quite wet one. this front towards the north and east of scotla nd towards the north and east of scotland producing quite a bit of rain and significant snowfall across the high and then northern ireland down through the north west of england towards north—eastern wales, the midlands, on towards the south—east, really quite heavy rain in its own right there. the snowfall totals really mounting up across the higher ground of scotland here. it
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really will be a high ground feature, i think. really will be a high ground feature, ithink. similar really will be a high ground feature, i think. similar prospect perhaps across the highest ground at the top end of the pennines. don't discount this more southerly feature. it looks rather more patchy but even so i think there will be the moderate burst of rain. further south than that is where you get sunshine but some pretty sharp showers as well. as you sleep into the start of the weekend marked transformation. we start importing some really cold air. there will be a widespread frost on saturday. thanks to the importation of some really cold air and that big area of high pressure over scandinavia throwing the cold air towards the british isles, no signs of mild air we are all in this similar boat. and on that noticeable very keen easterly wind there will be plenty of snow showers running into the wash and through towards the midlands, into east anglia, into the eastern side of pennines and eastern scotla nd eastern side of pennines and eastern scotland and you add in the strength of the wind, my word it will feel bitterly cold full stop considering that some of you had around 13—14 on
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friday, it will be a shock to the system. we start sunday, there could well be more widespread snowfall rather than showers. the northern boundary of that is difficult to pin down at the moment. further north than that yes, there will still be wintry showers to be had. simply because it is going to be that cold. take care, goodbye. this is beyond 100 days, with me, katty kay in washington. christian fraser's in london. our top stories: as tests continue at the home of the poisoned former russia spy sergei skripal, britain, france, germany and the us issue a rare joint statement condemning the kremlin for the attack. russia denies it made the nerve agent used in that attack and promises to retaliate against britain for expelling 23 russian diplomats. more on that shortly. also coming up in the next half hour: we'll get the latest from florida where a new pedestrian bridge has collapsed, reportedly killing a number of people. these are live pictures from the scene in miami. it's an industry worth £28 billion to the uk economy — but what impact will brexit have
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on british fashion? we'll talk to leading designer maria grachvogel. let us know your thoughts by using the hashtag #beyond100days. let's return to our breaking news this hour. a pedestrian bridge at florida's international university in miami has collapsed, killing several people. these are live pictures from miami — at least three vehicles were trapped underneath and a number of injured people have been treated. luis fajado from bbc monitoring is in miami. what more can you tell us? there has been this major accident, a 900 tonne bridge has collapsed on a major miami avenue in the early
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afternoon with heavy traffic, several cars have been trapped inside the structure. florida highway police have told local media there have been confirmed fatalities and they also say a number of people are being treated in hospital. this bridge had only been set up this weekend, it was considered a safety hazard for university students moving from the main campus to their residences across the avenue and now they are facing this major accident. thank you for bringing us the latest from miami. it's only three days until russians go to the polls and today the country's conflicts with the west are centre stage. moscow has called britain's expulsion of 23 russian diplomats over the poisoning of a former spy in southern england irresponsible. while here in the us, the government has slapped sanctions on 19 russians for interfering in the us election. here to discuss all of these
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developments is thomas pickering, former us ambassador to both russia and the un. thank you for coming in. earlier on we we re thank you for coming in. earlier on we were speaking to somebody who was a strong supporter of president putin, who expressed outrage at the suggestion that russia was involved in the poisoning of this former spy and said they wanted proof before they would contemplate this. is that what you would expect?” they would contemplate this. is that what you would expect? i would, they are very defensive about these kind of things, but using novichok, that russian nerve agent, and the tell—tale that has left, is something interesting because they have seemingly left a trace and you
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wonder why, and my sense is that when putin was asked a year ago, was there something unforgivable, he said the trail, and while this is not clear, there is an interesting tie—up here between these two people that have been poisoned, the alexander litvinenko case, both of which the russians would have a reason to feel represented the trailers, the tradition among released spies is that they work beyond farm. i'm not sure what is going on but putin could be sending a message to his folks are aware of the fact they are targets for western intelligence and wanting to tighten the reins. if we were to go down the line ofjeremy corbyn and not point the finger directly at the state and hypothesise that maybe
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there was a black ops operation in russia, is that possible? we think president putin is our strong man and no one can touch but how much power do these groups around him have? we saw some things like that in the middle of the boris yeltsin period where things were more at tumultuous and out of work. putin knows this business, he has been around for a long time and the last thing he would want is some kind of black operation put him in a difficult position. the juxtaposition with the election is something but nobody has ever had the view that putin would lose this election. his popularity is up, the notion he controls the vote count is notion he controls the vote count is not far from reality so it may be a late night if it is close but it is
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ha rd to late night if it is close but it is hard to believe it will not be a landslide for him. do you think there is anything different about this occasion to the alexander litvinenko murder that would make you think there will be a tough retaliation? that unrolled slowly, and it took a longer time to come to and it took a longer time to come to a conclusion. polonium 2010 was a harder element to find so that may have done it but this is the second time, maybe more if there are truths to some of the other cases that have p°pped to some of the other cases that have normed up to some of the other cases that have popped up but not been fully explored, so why think the notion that how much further can it go on, the british prime minister is under pressure for all kinds of things so it isa pressure for all kinds of things so it is a good time to be tough. thank you for coming in.
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seven years after the civil war in syria broke out today the bloodshed continues. thousands of people are fleeing the rebel held enclave of eastern ghouta as government forces step up their bombardment of the suburb. one doctor has told the bbc that the streets and hospitals are full of injured people. and there are not enough medical staff or supplies to help them all. as our middle east editor jeremy bowen reports, after years of resistance, it looks like the damascus suburb is about to fall. thousands of people are fleeing parts of eastern ghouta, going into an uncertain future that looks better now than the deadly present. these are the people who have spent weeks hiding in basements from the shelling. eastern ghouta is a big area and this isn't happening everywhere. many tens of thousands are still besieged. this was filmed by omar, a cameraman who gives his material to the bbc. the attack happened outside his building. a small boy was caught up in it.
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he is deaf, so he hadn't heard warnings to take cover. omar, the cameraman, worried the boy would bleed to death and told us the eight minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive were the worst he had endured since the battle for eastern ghouta had began. omar carried him to the ambulance where he was squeezed in next to the bodies of the dead. omar has seen a lot of death. he said the boy was a soul he wanted to save. we have been following this doctor, a paediatrician in an underground hospital, who spends every day with the wounded and the dying. in that place, they are all fighting fear, where regime soldiers are advancing into the eastern ghouta. the doctor sent a message. translation: it is the worst it has been for many days,
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the shelling is brutal, bombs, rockets, all kinds of weapons. this may be my last message. the injured are everywhere, the operating theatres are full of wounded people. we don't have enough doctors to help them and our own homes are being shelved. a small amount of aid is being brought into eastern ghouta. all the talk of a humanitarian ceasefire is being ignored. this war started seven years ago. its horror goes on. jeremy bowen, bbc news. when the violence in syria first broke out seven years ago, journalist rania abouzeid was on the ground, and for years continued her reporting despite being banned from entering the country. she's written a new book about her experiences called no turning back. she joined us a short time ago. you've told the story of the syrian civil war through portraits of people you met over the years,
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four of them, and i wanted you to start by telling us a little about the girl you met six for seven years ago, what's happened to her life in the last few years? i wanted to explain war through the eyes of a child and show the impact it had on a regular family, so you see ruha absorbing what's happening around her, trying to understand it, and some of the challenges she faces as a child living in tumultuous times, like the small things for a little girl, not being able to go out into the courtyard because she fears snipers, not being able to play on the streets. she says we used to play on the streets then we feared we would be shot, this is a nine—year—old girl who has these concerns so it gives you an idea how it impacts everyone and how even a nine—year—old can absorb everything happening around her and she's trying
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to understand it in her own ways. one of the political things we have seen in syria over the course of this war has been the growth of radicalisation, of islamic extremists. it wasn't necessarily there at the beginning of the protest but it has emerged in the country. you tell the story of muhammad, who became radicalised — how? i tell the story of three al-qaeda members in this book and that's to illustrate the islamisation of the uprising and all three characters were radicalised at different times and in different ways. muhammad was radicalised because his family suffered from the older assad's crackdown against an earlier islamist insurrection in the 1980s and that, to use muhammad's words, planted hatred in his heart, which he carried with him until he saw a chance in 2011 to take revenge against the regime and his vehicle for revenge was islamic radicalism. the characters you follow
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through your book and their life stories that you bring to us are important because i worry that after seven years of the pictures and horror we see on our screens, the world has become inured to what is happening in syria. do you worry that the international community has switched off? that's why i chose to follow a number of characters and do so not just for a minute where you see them after a battle but to follow them over years so you can get the context of their experience and in following them you will understand something about what happened in syria on a political level, a military level, on a social level. that's why i structured it the way it is, because it is complex and difficult to understand and there is an alphabet soup of rebel groups that keeps changing but in my experience of covering a place like the middle east,
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if you focus on people and tell the story through people, you can untangle those ideologies and the complicated nature of the story. it becomes easier to understand. briefly, have you been back to syria? i haven't been back since late 2016, just because it's so difficult to get into. it's near impossible to get into syria now. which is why there is so little coverage of it. the book is no turning back. thank you for coming in. keeping the world interesting in what is going on is a real battle. it reminded me of a tweet i saw a month ago from unicef who sent out a blank tweet, no words will do justice to the children killed, their mothers, fathers and loved ones, pointing out that all these
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pictures are not working because the international community is not doing enough. and you met some of the syrian refugees who came out, those people had tough lives, then once you met on the border with greece. it's two years ago this week, and it is those personal stories that stick with you, the pictures and videos pale compared to the people i listen to on the border. this family had a farm outside damascus that they sold because they wanted a wooden boat from turkey to greece because the rubber ones were sinking, but before they got to greece, they chose —— they got to greece, they chose —— the border was closed, so they couldn't go forwards or backwards, and that night i went home and had a warm shower. it rained and rained
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and it was really miserable. and they had nothing left because they had sold it all. stella mccartney, vivenne westwood, alexander mcqueen — some of the biggest names in global fashion are british and in the last ten year the size of the business in the uk has taken off as never before. at the last count, fashion was worth more than to £28 billion to the uk economy. and fashion is as about as international a business as you can get, so what difference will brexit make? on the day that the creative industries federation hosts a major conference, and as part of our own business of brexit series, we've been talking to the leading uk fashion designer maria grachvogel. almost a year to go until brexit, does your industry think it has enough information about what will happen? absolutely not. on a human level, there is concern among designers and manufacturers in the
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uk, to see exactly what that will mean. i think we have a huge design skill here in the uk and our skills are some of the best but we are in some ways, we have are some of the best but we are in some ways, we have relied on a certain pool of immigration for the people that do the work, the machinists, we aren't training those in the uk, we don't have those skills and the risk concern as to what happens next for the industry. when i lived in italy, it was a huge frustration to designers who had made a brand that sold around the world that some of their skills were disappearing because they were bringing in people from abroad to keep down the cost. when brexiteer is saved those are the sort of people we need to start retraining, building upa people we need to start retraining, building up a british brand? that's
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all well and good but it's whether they want to. students come in to my work for placements and we offer a good technical placement because i believe in making clothes, i can make something from beginning to end that not many people are interested in learning to be a machinist. people are interested in being a designer and that is different, we in the uk have to say it is gorgeous to be a pattern cutter or a machinist and have that pride as opposed to purely in design. beyond the idea of labour and raw materials which use a lot of imported materials, fashion is very global. christian wear something that is fabulous, we try and copy it, but that idea of a globalised creative
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spirit, how does that get affected, or does it, when britain leaves the eu? it's not so much to design side of things although there are questions about, right now i could go and potentially have a job in the design house in paris, how easy would that be after brexit remains to be seen. somebody at my level may not have the issues, the issues are further down the food chain. what do you need to hear next week when the european governments get together? harass any materials? that's super important because we're bringing things in from the eu all the time and what that looks like in terms of the finished price of goods because we have an amazing design industry and we need to support it. this is beyond 100 days. still to come: the changing face of
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national geographic — what these pictures tell us about its past and its future. the police investigation into the grenfell tower blaze has revealed a fire door has failed a fire test. experts said it was supposed to resist fire for 30 minutes, but lasted for only 15. tom symonds reports. could what happened here be the result of corporate manslaughter? that is what the police are investigating. highly technical work, including the test of a door from a grenfell flat. one that was undamaged in the fire. in this standard test, heat is applied to one side and the door must hold for 30 minutes. here, there's some smoke, but this door easily passes the test. the sample from grenfell lasted 15 minutes. the police informed the government, which has consulted its own experts. the response: there is no change to fire safety advice that the public should follow. i, nevertheless, fully appreciate that this news will be troubling for many people,
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not least all those affected by the grenfell tragedy. that is why, based on expert advice, we have begun the process of conducting further tests and we will continue to consult with the expert panel to identify the implications of these further tests. this picture is from before the fire. flats appear to have had a variety of doors, but they were fairly new. the doors were replaced in 2012, not as part as the major refurbishment of grenfell tower. after that work there was a safety inspection. the investigators will want to know were the doors properly assessed? for the survivors, understanding why it happened is vital. it's very important for grenfell survivors and the bereaved families to feel that we can honour the memory of those who have died. one way we can bring justice is to make sure that regulations and progressive policies ensure that people feel safe in their homes once again and that means
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tightening the regulations. but those questions will come later. for now, this is still the scene of a criminal investigation. tom symonds, bbc news, at grenfell tower. you're watching beyond 100 days. it's famous for its glossy pages of photos and stories from around the world, but national geographic magazine is taking a moment to re—think its past. the publication has said its previous coverage was racist by showing different groups as exotic or savage and reproducing a racial hierarchy. now the latest issue of the 130—year—old publication is confronting its troubled history by being entirely dedicated to the issue of race. with us now to discuss it all is national geographic‘s editor in chief, susan goldberg. what made you decide to look not just at the issue of race, it is the
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50th anniversary of the assassination of martin luther king, but national geographic‘s role in that? i thought if we were going to speak credibly about race, we should look at her own history because i have heard that the pages of our magazine was the first place that readers were exposed to community is different to them. so you look back and what did you find? until the time of the civil rights movement in the us, we didn't capture people of colour living in the us, did not acknowledge their roles beyond being labourers or domestics, then when we we nt labourers or domestics, then when we went overseas we portrayed people as exotic. you gave an example of a 1962 addition for your team went to south africa, just a little while
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after the massacre in sharpeville, how did national geographic cover that story? there were really not voices of black south africans and the story did not even mention the sharpeville shootings, which horrified the world. what was encouraging is that in 1977 when we we nt encouraging is that in 1977 when we went by, that story talks about the opposition leaders, we have pictures of winnie mandela and we are talking about apartheid and capturing the problems, so you can see how much the coverage changed after the civil rights movement. do you think in the way that you represented cultures abroad you didn't so much teach people in the us because you didn't talk about black culture, did you in some ways through the photographs reinforce the prejudice? we asked
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our historian to help us undertake this and he is an expert here, he said he thought our coverage reinforced a colonial view of the world. you have national geographic, founded in 1888 at the height of colonialism and for a long time that was the view that was reinforced. there is much of our history we are proud of, how we brought people into the broader world, but we didn't do everything right. how conscious are you now of this issue of unintended pious? we tried to make sure we are covering a diverse world with a diverse group of photographers and writers, so people go into situations where they will not fall into easy cliches, so we are more able to provide context and
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perspective. we are also giving people in their communities cameras so they can document their own lives, which we would never have done 15 years ago. thank you for coming in, it's a great bit of research. do you like fish and chips? yes, of course. i used to make fish and chips — in another life. it was my saturdayjob. but here's the thing, all the fish we sold on a saturday afternoon was haddock and cod. but now we are being encouraged to eat other fish. brexit fish. fish from our own local waters, partly to help the british fishing industry but largely because it is much more sustainable. you are seriously going to call them brexit feis? i'm going to give you the numbers. britain exports 75% of the fish it catches and imports 70% of its consumption. that's because the brits don't like the fish from their own waters. take that one, christian! we don't
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like our own feis. you will know why in the second. so let me show you the top three fish the marine conservation society wants us to start eating. no real painting. any man who fished asa no real painting. any man who fished as a boy used to catch these. when i caught one of these, i would stick it in the frying pan and it tasted pretty good but if you put that in the deep fat fryer and have it with fish and chips, it will be to bone and skin me. i wouldn't buy it even from you. this is hate, rather more good looking. and herrings, we do eat a lot of herrings. christian, we have to say goodbye. we cannot do all the fish in the ocean. we have to save it. welcome to our latest thoughts on
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how the weather will pan out in the next couple of days. in the short term were looking to the atlantic to see low pressure driving frontal systems towards the british isles but in north eastern parts it has been cold and miserable, snow in high ground of scotland and another feature running into the south west of the british isles so as we start friday, not especially cold but it will be a wet one for some of you. this front producing rain in scotla nd this front producing rain in scotland and snowfall across high ground, then northern ireland and the north—west of england, towards the north—west of england, towards the south—east, some heavy rain there. snowfall totals really mounting up across higher ground of scotland, it will be a fragrant
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feature and a similar prospect across high ground at the pennines. this is more solidly feature looks more patchy but even so there will be the odd moderate burst of rain, then further south, some sharp showers and at the start of the weekend, we started importing some very cold air so there will be widespread frost on saturday thanks to the importation of cold air and that big area of high pressure over scandinavia and the rowing record their towards the british isles. and on that noticeable very keen easterly wind there will be plenty of snow showers coming into the wash, into the eastern side of the pennines and eastern scotland, when you add the strength of that wind, it will feel bitterly cold. considering some of you had 13 or 1a
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degrees on friday, that will be a shock to the system, then on sunday, there could be more widespread snowfall. further north, there will be further wintry showers, it will be further wintry showers, it will be that cold. take care. this is bbc news. the headlines: it's thought several people have been killed after a pedestrian bridge collapses onto traffic in florida. as the prime minister visits salisbury, scene of the nerve—gas poisoning, mrs may's allies show their support for her sanctions against russia. we do hold russia culpable for this brazen, brazen act and despicable act that's taken place on the streets of what is such a remarkable city. russia denies any involvement, as france, germany and the united
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