tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News March 16, 2018 9:00am-11:01am GMT
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hello it's friday, it's 9 o'clock, i'm chloe tilley, welcome to the programme. we speak to a woman who's campaigning for a change in the law to make it easier to convict someone who kills an unborn baby. malorie bantala was eight months pregnant when her baby — joel — was killed when his father repeatedly kicked her and stamped on her stomach. the labour leader, jeremy corbyn, says again we shouldn't be too hasty to condemn russia over the nerve agent attack on a former spy and his daughter in salisbury. members of his party aren't so sure. jeremy's concern seems to be that we could be rushing to some kind of armed conflict with russia. ijust don't think anybody is talking about that at all. nobody is talking about invading russia or launching air strikes on moscow. what the prime minister set out are specific and targeted measures, which are not of a military nature, but we hope will send a clear message to russia that
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its behaviour is completely unacceptable. we'll get reaction at the end of an explosive week. and there's controversy this morning over this t—shirt. the clothes shop, topman, is facing pressure to stop selling it — because some liverpool fans say it's disrespectful to the 96 people who died in the hillsborough disaster. hello... welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. we're also going to be discussing "top five emails" — after an advertising executive who was leaving his job sent round an email ranking his female colleagues according to their looks. and he sent it on international women's day. we'll be talking about office culture and what still needs to change. do get in touch with your stories of sexist behaviour at work — and the other stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.
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our top story today... at least four people have been killed after a newly built bridge collapsed onto a major road in miami. eight cars waiting at traffic lights below were crushed. rescue teams are still searching for suvivors. lebo diseko reports. this is all that's left of the bridge that was built for safety‘s sake. reduced to rubble. emergency services say they are still in search and rescue mode for now. it is thought that several people have died but it is not clear yet how many. we will continue to search this pile until we are sure that there are no other survivors. we were able to remove nine victims early on. they have all been transported to local area hospitals and once we have completed our search and rescue operations we will remain on scene and help with the recovery efforts as well. it was just before two in the afternoon local time when the 950 ton bridge collapsed, crashing down on the road below and trapping people
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and cars beneath it. it was completed last saturday and was meant to get students from florida international university safely across a busy motorway. we were just hanging out and then we didn't hear much but we starting hearing sirens. we looked outside and saw multiple cars crushed under the bridge. i was in the dorm and my uncle called me and told me a bridge collapsed. i didn't believe him at first because i saw them put it up on saturday. the section that collapsed was called an "instant bridge" because of the fast construction method used. authorities will want to know how this structure, which was meant to be iconic, could have failed so catastrophically. investigators are being sent to the scene to try and establish what happened. meanwhile, the company that put the bridge up says that it is devastated at the loss
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of life and is doing everything it can to help. lebo diseko, bbc news. reeta chakra barti is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. the russian foreign minister, sergei lavrov, has confirmed that moscow will expel british diplomats. it follows theresa may's expulsion of 23 staff from the russian embassy in london, over the nerve agent attack in salisbury. jeremy corbyn has again questioned whether the russian state was behind the poisoning. in an article in the guardian, the labour leader said the government should not rush tojudgement. keith doyle reports. russia might be diplomatically isolated as world powers fall in behind britain. but vladimir putin was showing no signs of that at a rally before this sunday's election. with 23 russian diplomats considered to be spies in exile from the uk, the next move is his. moscow has continued its salvo of defiant attacks, saying that
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britain has a boorish attitude and it cannot be trusted. and according to the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov, it's even trying to distract attention from brexit. britain's own defence secretary was equally blunt. if you are a nation and another nation has launched a nerve agent attack on your people, then we have every right to tell russia to shut up and go away. nato is agreeing with britain's assessment that russia was responsible for the nerve agent attack in salisbury. the prime minister's very public visit there has ensured that this attack and all of its ramifications remain very much in the limelight. here, behind covers and screens, the investigation continues. while in london and moscow and other world capitals, a diplomatic war is under way. keith doyle, bbc news. our political correspondent ben wright is in westminster. just thinking about the reaction to
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jeremy corbyn‘s comments, they seem to have exposed sharp divisions within the party. they certainly have, divisions that have always been there, i think, particularly on foreign policy betweenjeremy corbyn, who throughout his career has opposed pretty much any military action and confrontation. he has been a critic of nato. i think he finds himself in a tricky position leading the labour party on this, who feel the government's position on the whole is right and needs to be backed unequivocally. jeremy corbyn has a different view. he is maintaining that while the russian state could be responsible for this, he's also saying it could be possible the nerve agent used in salisbury perhaps might have originated in russia but could have fallen into the hands of some mafia like gangsters, and that is how it ended up being used in salisbury. in an article in the guardian today he says that while the attack is
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reckless and barbaric, politicians need to keep their heads, look at the evidence and not rush to judgment. he says the government's response to this in terms of sanctions and diplomatic expulsions is correct, but also says it could be more effective if they go after russian oligarchs in london and all their money. he's raising lots of questions about the government's strategy and i think that questioning is making many labour mps on the backbenches and front bench very uncomfortable. for instance, keir starmer, the shadow brexit spokesperson said there should be no ifs and no buts when it comes to backing the government ‘s strategy on this. but i thinkjeremy corbyn is still asking a lot of questions, which he feels are com pletely questions, which he feels are completely legitimate, but they are concerning his own party. egypt is to send a delegation of mps to the uk, following the death of an egyptian student in nottingham. 18—year—old mariam moustafa died on wednesday, nearly a month after being attacked in the city centre. the hashtag "mariam's rights will not be lost" has
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been trending in egypt, and the country's prosecutor—general has asked for information from british authorities about the teenager's death. one in four council—run secondary schools in england is running at a loss, according to new research by the education policy institute. the number of schools in deficit has nearly trebled in the last four years. and is putting an extra £1.3 billion into schools. syrian activists say nearly 20,000 civilians left the rebel enclave of eastern ghouta yesterday, in the biggest displacement of people since government forces intensified their assault last month. the british—based syrian 0bservatory for human rights says the exodus stopped when rebels launched a counter—attack. mps say they've been unable to identify a border solution operating anywhere in the world that would enable an invisible border to continue between northern ireland and the irish republic after brexit. the northern ireland affairs committee has called on the government to set out more details on how it will manage the movement of people and goods
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across the irish border. it's also warned that, without a transition period, there won't be enough time to put new arrangements in place by withdrawal day. four african countries with the world's largest elephant populations are expected to call on britain and the european union to ban the legal sale of antique ivory. ministers from botswana will sign a petition at a wildlife summit in the country, urging europeans to follow china's lead in outlawing the sale of ivory products. alistair leithead reports. africa's elephants are still severely under threat, with less animals being born than the number killed every year by poachers. here in botswana, the last true sanctuary for elephants on the continent, african ministers, scientists and conservationists are again meeting to try to stop the ivory trade. techniques used for counterterrorism are now being used to stop poaching and catch the culprits. and they're being showcased
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at the giants club summit, which aims to protect half of africa's elephants and their habitat by 2020. but there's another target. the legal trade of antique ivory in britain and the rest of europe. the uk and the eu are the biggest exporters of legal antique ivory. these are sales that are permitted and are allowed around the world. now, we have seen china has banned their trade in ivory. hong kong is saying it's doing a similarthing. the african leaders meeting here with their governments are hoping the eu and the uk could do likewise and could stop this trade in antique ivory. it won't stop the poachers targeting these animals for their tusks across africa, but it will send a strong message to try and reduce the demand for ivory. alastair leithead, bbc news, in botswana. the singer rihanna has accused the social media app snapchat of "intentionally" shaming victims of domestic abuse. an advert for a game on the social media platform asked
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users if they would "rather slap rihanna or punch chris brown". a spokesperson for the company said the ad was "disgusting" and "should never have appeared". a man who calls himself the french spiderman has defied security to climb to the top of one of paris's highest buildings. alain robert was tackled by security guards as tried to scale the total building. but after being released he returned to the challenge, clambering 187 metres to the top. afterwards, he said he would continue to climb for as long as he was physically able. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport... the winter paralympics are drawing toa the winter paralympics are drawing to a close this weekend and as yet
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great britain have not met their medals target. what other chances to improve situation? the target was 6—12 medals and the realistic game was seven set by paralympics gb. they are on five as it stands. more disapointment for great britain's snowboarders following on from the boarder cross on monday where the start gate broke just before competition. today ben moore, james barnes—miller and owen pick all missed out on medals in their winter paralympic banked slalom events. all got 3 runs, best time out the three which counts. pick, gb's flag bearer, missed a gate in his second run and then failed to improve in his third which we're watching now, he was well off the pace set by the eventual winner from japan. it means britain remain on five medals, with two days of competition remaining in pyeongchang.
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pa ralympics gb relying on scott meenagh in the cross country tomorroew and the 3 pairs in the women's slalom to add to their total of 5 in south korea. 0ur things starting to turn around for arsene wenger? arsenal in the hat for the europa league quarterfinal draw after beating ac milan 3—1 last night. they went behind at the emirates but recovered to score three times, winning the tie 5—1 on aggregate. danny welbeck, two goals last night on the day he got back into the england squad for the friendlies against the netherlands and italy. some big teams left in the drawer including atletico madrid, marseille, sporting lisbon, cska moscow. arsene wenger said he wanted to avoid atletico in the last eight. after losing to manchester city twice and brighton before the first leg, it was a run
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of four defeats for arsene wenger but he says they have proved a few people wrong. we had a nightmare week and to recover from that we need to be mentally strong, to be solid. and the team needed to show a together response. that's what we did. 0verall, together response. that's what we did. overall, i together response. that's what we did. 0verall, ithink together response. that's what we did. overall, i think many people didn't expect us to respond like we did. the champions league draw takes place at 11 o'clock this morning, manchester city and liverpool are keeping an eye on who they will have on the last eight of the champions league. the europa league draw is an hour later at midday. arsenal are well off the pace in the premier league so winning the europa league could well be their only way back into the champions league next season. into the champions league next season. and still there are lots of arsenalfans season. and still there are lots of arsenal fans who want arsene wenger out but he has eased some pressure with this europa league run. he goes on and on! some breaking news that is reaching us, we were talking in the news about the miami bridge colla pse the news about the miami bridge collapse and police have now
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confirmed that six people have died after the bridge collapsed in miami. we will bring you more developments on that throughout the programme. malorie bantala was eight months pregnant when the father of her unborn baby attacked her. kevin wilson and his 17—year—old accomplice tarsari grant repeatedly kicked and stamped malorie in the stomach. it led to the stillbirth of her son joel and left her in a critical condition, needing majorsurgery on the hand she had used for protection from the blows. branding the attack cowardly, vile and callous the judge sentenced wilson to a minimum of 16 years for child destruction and gbh. grant was given a 10—year custodial sentence, plus four years on licence. now three years on from the attack and malorie has launched a petition and campaign calling for an urgent review of the child destruction law, which she feels makes it difficult to get the sentence perpetrators of these specific crimes deserve. speaking to us exclusively in herfirst interview
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since the attack malorie is here with us now. thank you for coming in. thank you for having me. what memories do you have of the day of the attack? for me it wasjust have of the day of the attack? for me it was just i have of the day of the attack? for me it wasjust i remembered coming home from a friend's house, i was walking along the pathway towards my house and the guy came out at me from the bushes wearing a motorcycle helmet. as he came out from the bushes he stood beside me and let me go. as i took a couple of steps forward i see another guy with a motorcycle helmet but then i happened to recognise him. just as that happened, i found happened to recognise him. just as that happened, ifound myself happened to recognise him. just as that happened, i found myself on the floor so the first guide put me on
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the floor. next thing i know, i'm being stamped and kicked by the guy that got me pregnant. the first guy from behind, he stumped me on the stomach. at the time i was thinking what's going on, why is he doing this? all sorts of stuff was going through my mind. presumably terror and thinking about what is happening to your unborn child. exactly, but at the time i was in the state of confusion, i didn't know what was going on. and you knew it was him because he recognised his eyes? no, his eyes were covered with a motorcycle helmet butjust his figure and what he was wearing. so you were left lying on the pavement, did anyone come to your aid? my neighbour heard the screaming from
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her house, she opened her window and screamed, what are you doing? at that moment, another neighbour saw two guys on top of me and as my neighbour screamed out of the window they ran off and i think that is what initially scared them off, but if it wasn't for that god only knows how long they would have continued attacking me. so you were rushed to hospital? not really, no. the ambulance couldn't make it so the offices took me to hospital, then i had to wait another hour or so just to be seen by a nurse for an assessment. and what's going on in your mind during that time? i guess your mind during that time? i guess you were starting to process what happened. initially i sat down, i thought maybe my waters have broken, i went to my neighbours' house but
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they couldn't see anything. i wasn't ina lot they couldn't see anything. i wasn't in a lot of pain because of the adrenaline but then after some time i started to realise, my baby hasn't moved, so my instinct started to tell me something was wrong because he hadn't been moving for quite a while. so you got to hospital and at what point did you realise thatjoel had died? it was once they confirmed it to me. i had a feeling, i already kind of knew what i needed them to confirm it. you had so much to contend with because you had had a ca esa rea n contend with because you had had a caesarean section... yes, i had a ca esa rea n caesarean section... yes, i had a caesarean section... yes, i had a caesarean section the following evening because i couldn't give birth naturally, it just evening because i couldn't give birth naturally, itjust wasn't happening. then after that i realised or i was told that my
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fingers have broken so i also had to have surgery the same week, i think a few days afterwards, i had to have surgery on my fingers. and you lost a lot of blood, you were in a bad way. then all of this happened and of course the police were around as well. they were around from the start offering support, then once they thought i was in a better state to start explaining what happened, that's when they intervened more. the main focus was my health and to make sure i was ok. and so how did you begin to process? because presumably your family and friends we re presumably your family and friends were trying to protect you but there was intense media interest in the story as well because journalists see it as a story, it is your life but they want to report what happened. initially i didn't know how much media attention it gained.
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i was how much media attention it gained. iwas in how much media attention it gained. i was in hospital, i didn't have a phone. my family and friends would only tell me so much just try and keep me protected, and they knew i would get overwhelmed with a lot information so theyjust tried to keep that away from me and i didn't realise how much media attention it got until after i came out of hospital. obviously the physical injuries heal in time after the operations but how have you been able to process what happened to you, that the father of your unborn child was the person to take him away from you? it's taken a long time, to be fair, maybe two and a half years just to get to a place where i have finally accepted what's happened. i will never understand, i will never know why he did it and i have accepted that, but for me my main focus was just to make sure that i was in a good place. i wasn't
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going to let this define me, i wasn't going to let this completely ta ke wasn't going to let this completely take over my life and stop me from moving on. was one of the things that helped you move on the fact that helped you move on the fact that you went to court and you sought justice being served? that you went to court and you soughtjustice being served? yes, that was one of the main things but also talking to my family and friends, trying to get their outlook on itand friends, trying to get their outlook on it and their support as well, that helped me get to the place where i am today. if we talk about the trial, how hard was that for you to listen to the evidence and effectively relive that day that you try to move on from? it was a tough time. it was emotionally draining. i did put on a brave face. i went basically every single dayjust did put on a brave face. i went basically every single day just to make sure that i knew what was going on, i was in the loop, but when the
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evidence came together and the first timei evidence came together and the first time i knew of anything was in court i was genuinely shocked, i couldn't believe it and i think that's when it really dawned on me that he actually did that. there is no excuse for his behaviour, none at all. iam excuse for his behaviour, none at all. i am so glad justice was served. were you happy with the sentence? not at first, i will be honest. a minimum of 16 years. for him to get a life sentence passed, i was lucky. there are other cases where you don't even have a conviction. that is because this is all part of your campaign now to look at this review of the law because i guess in your case it was pretty simple for the police to investigate. you were heavily pregnant, this was the father of your child, and he targeted
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specifically your stomach so in many ways it was easy to prosecute under that law. exactly, because according to the law it is more about if the police can prove the intent, they ca n prove police can prove the intent, they can prove there was an intention to harm or destroy or kill a baby, that is when it is a lot easier for them to prosecute a perpetrator, but if it was a matter of recklessness, it isa it was a matter of recklessness, it is a lot harder to prove that because they may not have had the intention to harm the baby's life, but as a result their recklessness has essentially ended a baby's life. for example if a woman was in the early stages of pregnancy and maybe you cannot tell she's pregnant, but she is attacked and the child's diet, you feel that should be the same as what happened to you? essentially yes, they should receive
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somejustice and essentially yes, they should receive some justice and pregnancy should a lwa ys some justice and pregnancy should always be considered as an aggravating factor. as the law is so complex, it does save the child should be capable of being born alive, so at which stage is a child capable of being born alive? it is a matter of weeks so you need to review the intent and you need to review the intent and you need to review when do you consider a child being born alive. but if you are four months pregnant and it is very unlikely a baby would survive being born at that time, but it is still a baby, isn't it? yes but in the eyes of the law and due to other ethical arguments and stuff, a conviction wouldn't pass so we have to tread carefully a nd wouldn't pass so we have to tread carefully and make sure that the
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review actually is able to protect women all—round. review actually is able to protect women all-round. how do you feel about child destruction law? the term itself is just so cold. about child destruction law? the term itself isjust so cold. yes, it is, but it was created in 19 29th so things have vastly moved on, and that's the thing. that's why it needs to be reviewed because the whole reason why it was created was to actually tackle backstreet abortions. since then, abortion laws have been passed, and the whole purpose for them using the law now is completely different to the reason why it was introduced. what reaction have you had from politicians when you have raised this? i have had support from neil coyle and harriet harman, they have been supportive in this. since i've released the petition on social media, i have had a lot of support
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as well. a lot of positive responses. a few women have actually come forward to me and told me some of the similar experiences they have had, which is a good thing because at least i know i'm doing this for a good reason and i'm notjust the only one that has experienced this. there are many other women who have gone through the same experience azmi or something similar. mallory, thank you for coming to talk to us. —— malorie. still to come... we'll have the very latest on the investigation into the poisoning of a former spy and his daughter in salisbury and the use of a military nerve agent on british soil. a significant rise in the number of children being excluded from school. as the government launches a new review, we'll be finding out what's going wrong and why certain groups of young people are far more likely to be kicked out of mainstream
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school than others. time for the latest news. here's reeta with the bbc news headlines this morning. officials in florida say six people have been killed by a footbridge which collapsed onto a busy road in miami. eight vehicles were crushed when the walkway gave way, less than a week after being installed. the bridge at florida international university was put up in one day, using a technique designed to minimise traffic disruption. police say rescue teams will work throughout the day to search for survivors, but the number of dead is likely to rise. they are saying at least, because there is the possibility, the sad possibility, that under the concrete there may be additional vehicles. and they are trying to work at it, the engineers are working at it in a very tactical way. because again, as i mentioned before, the structure is very fragile and it could be very dangerous to rescue personnel that are still there, people that are working. russia's foreign minister, sergei lavrov, has confirmed moscow will expel british diplomats. the move follows theresa may's expulsion of 23 staff
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from the russian embassy in london, over the nerve agent attack in salisbury. jeremy corbyn has again questioned russia's involvement in the poisoning of the former spy, sergei skripal, and his daughter, yulia. one in four council—run secondary schools in england is running at a loss, according to new research by the education policy institute. the number of schools in deficit has nearly trebled in the last four years. the government says it doesn't recognise the report's findings, and is putting an extra 1.3 billion pounds into schools. syrian activists say nearly 20,000 civilians left the rebel enclave of eastern ghouta yesterday, in the biggest displacement of people since government forces intensified their assault last month. the british—based syrian 0bservatory for human rights says the exodus stopped when rebels launched a counter—attack. african countries want the european union to ban trade in antique ivory
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saying it would cut demand by making ivory and unacceptable ornament. thousands are killed for their elephant tusks each year. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. lots of you getting in touch after we we re lots of you getting in touch after we were talking to mallory there. 0ne we were talking to mallory there. one person says, what an amazingly brave and articulate woman. i have nothing but respect for her. i remember this happening, i felt nothing but respect for her. i remember this happening, ifelt sick for her then, and i still do now. another person getting in touch, my heart goes out to the young lady for what happened to her. i hope she gets a review on the child destruction law, best of luck to her. get in touch with us on all the stories we are talking about. sport now with will. today ben moore, james barnes—miller and owen pick all missed out on medals in their winter paralympic banked slalom events.
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great britain have five medals so far of the seven they targeted. arsenal in the hat for the europa league quarterfinal draw after beating ac milan 3—1 last night. they went behind at the emirates but recovered to score three times, winning the tie 5—1 on aggregate. leg—spinner mason crane will miss out on the england tour of new zealand. he has been replaced by jack leach. trainer nicky henderson is chasing an historic treble in the cheltenham gold cup today. victory would make henderson the first trainer to win the champion hurdle, champion chase and gold cup at one festival meeting. it's been an explosive week in the investigation into how a former russian spy and his daughter came to be poisoned in salisbury. both are still in a critical condition and the police officer who went to help them remains in hospital. it's now been confirmed that the novichok nerve agent was used — a chemical british authorities say was only manufactured in the former soviet union. theresa may has ordered 23 russian
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diplomats to leave the country and russia has since vowed to retaliate in kind. but the labour leaderjeremy corbyn has again warned against being too hasty in pointing the finger at russian president vladimir putin, sparking criticism from his own mps. so before all of this happened, how bad were anglo—russian relations, and is this a move towards another cold war? it's a spy story reminiscent of the darkest days of the cold war, and it's caused an international rift that's left uk/russia relations at their lowest ebb for decades. so, how did we get here? 0n the 11th of march, two people were found slumped on a bench outside a pizza restaurant in the quiet, picturesque town of salisbury. they were said to be in an extremely serious condition. they were quickly identified as sergei skripal — a former russian spy who defected to the british — and his 33—year—old daughter yulia. injuly 2010, mr skripal had been one of four prisoners released by moscow in exchange for ten russian spies.
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and by all accounts he'd lived a quiet life since arriving in the uk. as the police investigation progressed, traces of a nerve agent were found near the scene where the skripals spent the afternoon, and it became clear that they'd been poisoned. the skripals remain critically ill in hospital and a police officer who was also hospitalised after attending the incident, detective sergeant nick bailey, is said to be in a serious condition. in addition, 38 others were seen by medics, although they've now nearly all been discharged. prime minister theresa may later said the chemicals used in the attack had been identified as being part of a group of nerve agents developed by russia, known as novichok. on monday she spoke in the house of commons, asking pointedly for an explanation from the russian government as to how this deadly chemical could have found its way onto british streets. there are therefore only two plausible explanations for what happened in salisbury on the 11th of march. either this was a direct act by the russian state against our country, or the russian government lost
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control of its potentially catastrophically damaging nerve agent and allowed it to get into the hands of others. this afternoon, my right honourable friend the foreign secretary has summoned the russian ambassador to the foreign & commonwealth office and asked him to explain which of these two possibilities it is. when no explanation was forthcoming, she came back to the house on wednesday and announced that all high—level talks between uk officials and russia would be suspended, and that the uk would expel 23 russian diplomats from britain. they have treated the use of the military grade nerve agent in europe with sarcasm, contempt and defiance. so, mr speaker, there is no alternative conclusion other than that the russian state was culpable for the attempted murder of mr skripal and his daughter. meanwhile, the kremlin has denied any links to the murder and condemned allegations of its involvement as a provocation. but many have drawn comparisons with the death
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of alexander litvinenko, a former russian spy murdered with radioactive polonium in 2006, and pointed to other unexplained deaths of russian nationals hostile to the kremlin. yesterday, britain's allies france, the united states and germany issued a joint statement condemning the first offensive use of a nerve agent in europe since the second world war. they called it an assault on the uk's sovereignty. with the uk/russia relationship now under a dark cloud of mutual mistrust and tension, the likes of which haven't been seen for decades, many commentators have asked whether the alleged use of a chemical weapon in britain may mean that the conclusion that russia and the west are now in the grip of a second cold war is unavoidable. certainly, there's good reason to believe that things may well get worse before they get better. to talk us through that arejohn lough — former nato representative in moscow and russia expert at chatham house. and edward lucas — author of the new cold war and ‘deception, spies,
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lies and how russia dupes the west.‘ thank you for both joining us. john, how have we got to the stage where russia comes on to british soil and attem pts russia comes on to british soil and atte m pts to russia comes on to british soil and attempts to murder someone? 0ur relations that bad that they can feel they can just come to britain and act this way? i think the answer is yes. relations have been very bad for a long time. in your preview piece you referred to the murder of alexander litvinenko in 2006. i think the russians thought at the time they got away with this because there was a rather lame reaction from the government at the time. we kicked out some diplomats, we stopped talking to the russian security services, but a nuclear weapon had been used on the streets of london and all the traces were there. they went back to moscow and we we re there. they went back to moscow and we were able to eventually identify
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who had carried out this murder. the public enquiry, which was held several years later, concluded that the order was probably given by the head of the russian security service and president putin, at least with their approval. so relations have beenin their approval. so relations have been ina their approval. so relations have been in a very poor state. the uk has tried to rebuild some dialogue, pursued a policy of engagement and deterrence. in other words, trying to deter this really damaging and dangerous behaviour by russia. i would say there has been rather too much emphasis on engagement and rather less on deterrence. but this changes the game. the events of 2014 when russia annexed crimea and it destabilised eastern ukraine, which almost brought about a very serious border conflict in europe, that has sobered a number of mines in london. the reaction we are seeing this time isa the reaction we are seeing this time is a little bit different to 2006.
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they have effectively stepped up. edward, why do you think rationally used a nerve agent, novichok, which is clearly from russia, it almost has a russian stamp on it. were they being blatant, did they want to be found out or do they not care? the conclusion is they were doing it in a blatant way. if theyjust wanted to kill sergei skripal for some reason of their own, they could have done it very discreetly, but they did that in a very dangerous and reckless way that endangered the lives of so many other people in salisbury who have nothing to do with the world of espionage and geo— political intrigue. i think they are testing us. i think they tried it in 2006 and they got away with it. they see that britain is weak, isolated, isolated because of the transatlantic relationship being in trouble because of donald] trump, and isolated because our relationship with europe is in trouble because of brexit and we are desperate for international money. they think they can give is another
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knock and see if they cannot is over and show we are not able to respond to this of provocation. they might view us as weak, john, but will they care much that the us, france, germany and the uk have released a joint statement saying it was russia and it's not acceptable?” joint statement saying it was russia and it's not acceptable? i don't think they will care very much. this is largely hot air, they will think, and is there really the willingness on the part of the leading western countries to russia and invest in defences and play this out over the longer term? that's where the russian vulnerability is. i don't believe it can sustain this sort of posture indefinitely. it's costing the country money, opportunities. the economy is not doing particularly well. what the russians are very skilful at is assembling power, putting together instruments of power that they can deploy against our weaknesses. they are able to identify our weakness is very effectively. they can see the
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shift in the transatlantic relationship and the fishes in nato. they can see society is in particular. it has reduced the influence of the united states and europe, and is likely to do so, and the uk is looking rather isolated. edward, are we heading to a new cold war? i released a book in 2007 called the new cold war, and people criticised me for scaremongering at the time but i was not gloomy enough. i was mainly worried about money and the military threat in some corners of europe. i didn't think that we were going to face this kind of really effective propaganda blitz which we face all over europe now, which is demoralising and dividing society. it never crossed my mind russia would be able to be intervening in the american political system in the way that it has. we have been complacent and arrogant, and russia has been getting stronger and stronger. what annoys me is we were
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warned about this in the 1990s by our friends in eastern europe, and we ignored them, patronised and belittled them, saying we understood russia better than they did. it's the other way round, they understood what was happening and we didn't. let's talk about gas if we can. britain is reliant on russian gas supplies. before christmas there we re supplies. before christmas there were times when it was needed. are the russians likely to use that as a lever against us, saying they will not provide it? i think it's about 196 not provide it? i think it's about 1% of our gas supply. we still used some before christmas. we used some. the world is awash with liquid gas. 20 years ago gas all came through pipelines but now we can buy it by the tank load, just the way we buy oil. you might have to buy it in advance because the tankers don't move fast, but we can supply all our gas needs without being dependent on russian liquefied natural gas. it might be the cheapest around, but we
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can avoid it if we want to. russia has a political weapon in eastern europe because of pipelines, but even there, the eu in the last ten years has built new pipelines and storage capacity to the point what we used to call the abominable gasman of russia, the gas pressure on the east of europe, that has almost diminished. we are in pretty good shape on that front. i'm more worried about russian dirty money in politics and media over here. we will be talking about this again in the next half an hour. thank you to john and edward for speaking to us. coming up... fashion retailer topman have come under fire for a shirt that some people believe refers to the hillsborough disaster — we'll be getting reaction. they have stopped selling the shirt. on this programme we've recently highlighted a significant rise in the number of children being excluded from school.
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last year — more than 6500 students were permanently kicked out of mainstream schools in england but way more than that — 48,000 — are being educated in units set up for children who've been excluded. today, the government's announced plans for a review to find out exactly what's going wrong and why certain groups of people are far more affected by the problem than others. for example — if you're an afro—caribbean boy, you're three times more likely to be excluded than other children, kids in care are five times more likely to be excluded. last month, we visited hawkswood primary pupil referral unit in london — it's a school for children, who are in danger of being permanently excluded from their mainstream schools. have a look at this short clip from the programme — it features a six—year—old boy called kayden, who'd been previously excluded and is now learning to control his behaviour. careful! kayden lives with his nanny and grandad. sometimes we do family game night.
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what do you play? we playjenga... and pie face, the new one. grandad? yep? after this, when i win... when kayden came into our life, then i realised there was more issues going on thanjust a typical little boy. the darkest point, i think, for us, was knowing that he was having really bad meltdowns at school, and the school was unable to manage that. he was climbing up on furniture, he was lifting up tables, throwing objects around the classrooms. it was just really disturbing for other children to see. indistinct shouting. come here. leave me alone! i just want to be left alone! ok, then, i can take you to the blue chair, i can leave you alone there.
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i just want to be left alone! i want to be left alone! you want to be left alone? it's not safe for me to leave you here. iwant to! i can leave you alone, but not here. here is not the place. i can leave you alone inside the classroom on the blue chair. i don't...! you know you're not allowed to hit me, kayden. i don't even care! 0k, well, i do care. i don't care! i don't like it. kayden, why are we here on the floor? are you able to use your words and tell me what's happened? ok, that's fine, but this isn't a very safe place to be, in the middle of the corridor. i don't even care! you don't need to care, you just need to know that we do. he almost ran from the noise, and i would say it distressed him, and then that lead onto undesired behaviour. kayden, can we go to a safer place than the corridor? that's a bit quieter?
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he was kind of stuck in the moment, so you try a few different tactics. well done. can i show you something before we go? ijust want to show you something, look. we said, "oh, have you seen our new library? do you want to go in?" and that was it, he came right out of it. and that's my favourite. no way?! that is your favourite book?! are you serious?! oh, my goodness! right... that's lego batman. do you know what we're going to do? that was distraction. in that moment, that's what brought him down again. so he's been in education to two and half years and still can't read and write. he would never have done that. he could just about write his name and maybe single words, but that's only since he's been at hawkswood. there's been a drastic change in kayden. he can sit down now for at least five, ten minutes and actually play a game. he can do a little bit of reading with us now. he can sit, you know, and just eat his dinner. wow, so did you have lots of fun at school today?
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we don't take kayden out very often. we struggle with the fact that we are worried that kayden's going to run off, or he has meltdowns and then we've got to try to explain that to parents or people that are staring and looking. and i think it's the hardest thing is to try to explain to someone that, actually, "i'm really sorry that my child has done this to your child, or done it it to you or whatever, but you can't label a child." kayden is not diagnosed, so until that diagnosis has been made, i will not put a label on him. a little earlier we spoke to nadhim zahawi, who's the children and families minister, about the government's plans to look into why so many children are being excluded and why certain groups are more affected than others. no alternative provision should be a dumping ground for anyone. i think the right thing to do is for us to review what is happening with exclusions and have a strategy to make sure alternative provision is the best quality we can make it, so the outcomes for all those children, whether they are reintegrated into mainstream, or have to be in alternative
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specialist provision, actually get the best educational attainment, and, of course, the best outcome in terms of employment or training for them in the future. that's the purpose of this. it's why we are also launching the 4 million innovation fund to look at best practice in alternative provision and see how we scale that up. i mentioned the anna freud centres and the work they are doing. i think one of your particular examples of a young man at the everton school... the education select committee hasn't given its final findings. it's expected to look pretty bad for the government. is this why the government has come out now ahead of that final report, to try and show that it is taking some initiative? it's not going to look good for you. you mentioned the £4 million that is being ploughed into this innovation fund. £4 million, it's not a lot of money. well, the education select committee work is incredibly important. it is a serious committee,
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with serious colleagues, a cross—party and they look at this in real depth and we always listen to them. i was before them looking at the fostering review we asked of sir martin narey and mark 0wers, and of course their own report into fostering in our country this week. so their work is incredibly important. but this review and the work that the prime minister has asked ed timpson to do is incredibly important. look, she's the first prime minister to actually ask for a race disparity order and publish it, and ask all her departments to step up and explain or take action as to what we do about these things. and through that we discover that afro—caribbean boys are three times more likely to be excluded. this is serious work, and this idea that somehow we react because of the select committee... of course it's important work, but this has been on our radar
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for a long time, and it's right that we review what is happening as we begin to get outcomes for children in alternative provision, so it's the best possible that we can make it. let's talk to gilroy northover — he was excluded from school and now works at the same pupil referral unit where he was sent. brenda mchugh — set up the family school, an alternative provision school in london. and zack kelly — he was excluded from school while in care, he went to everton free school, which is an alternative provision school. he now works at everton football club. i want to start with you because you we re i want to start with you because you were excluded from school when you we re were excluded from school when you were at 15, what do you put that down to? not enough support at home,
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could you be diagnosed with dyslexia or something else. mainstream school doesn't dig in that deep to a child because there's 30 in a class, if one is being disruptive get rid of the one rather than the 29 so we don't know if that child has something going on at home, if that child is being abused or neglected. what was your need that wasn't recognised? i was going through different things, my mum was a single parent of four, i am the youngest. i was calling out for help, however i cannot articulate my words because as well as being a boy child, we are in a generation where we cannot express our emotions so we are ina we cannot express our emotions so we are in a world where if a man ex presses are in a world where if a man expresses his emotions it is a sign of wea kness
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expresses his emotions it is a sign of weakness so you don't want to get labelled as weakness in secondary school because peer pressure comes into it, you could get bullied, so you have to create this bravado where you have to be at the top. you are strong but crying out for help. that's right. zack, can you identify with that? because you were in care, then excluded. it was because i was going through a lot of stuff at home at the time and i was in and out of ca re over at the time and i was in and out of care over the years while i was still at school. i have a lot going on in my head and at home, a lot of issues going on. when i went into school, because i didn't really know how to release those emotions, when i was speaking to someone i would be lashing out and misbehaving at school so that forced me to either get excluded or suspended due to my behaviour. does it surprise you when
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you hear the statistic that children in care are five times more likely to be excluded from school? yes because this is crazy because many people growing up in care, they don't necessarily, some people haven't been kicked out of school and people have different stories and people have different stories and backgrounds. it is quite crazy to hear that to be honest because many people have either got issues at home, issues in their personal life so everyone is going through a different story in their life. most people have been excluded from school, being in care, it is a crazy statistic really. let's bring brenda in because i know that you set up this family school and one of the particular focuses is on
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this family school and one of the particularfocuses is on mental health support because you see that as being... missing, in mainstream education? i think that is why anna freud set up the family school because we know from gilroy and zack that behaviour masks difficulties, and striving to find out what lies behind that behaviour, because that behaviour is quite often an exit from an opportunity to be in a mainstream school where there are lots of life opportunities for young children. so really important not just think is it one thing, but to have an enquiring mind, to have time and the expertise to be able to think what lies behind this behaviour, and what can we do to support that young person. in the case of gilroy, the family as well, in orderto case of gilroy, the family as well, in order to resolve of those
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problems because if the family where you live is going to support you back into school, you would need to trust they have the skills and confidence. what happens if the family are not supportive, because i guess the —— that is the challenge. they might not have the time because of the practicalities of life. the children we meet often tell heart—rending stories about the impact of exclusion on them. they may be at work, get a phone call, they need to pick up their child or they need to pick up their child or the impact on the other children. the family life is completely disrupted by the exclusion so many of our families, by the time they get together and come to the family school, they say thank goodness, i'm also meeting other families that have felt the shame or hopelessness of exclusion and now i feel i am somewhere, like you were saying, where i say i actually have
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difficulties and i'm not going to be judged by this and i'm ready to get the help. families come saying, at least now we are in the same boat and we can begin to think, what is going wrong with my child? so what is the solution? we spoke about children in care five times more likely to be excluded, black boys three times more likely to be excluded. what is the solution to that? the solution, as i said before, we need more key workers, more mentors to come into mainstream schools and be one—to—one with these children, and children need to get support at their houses as well. if they are at work and they cannot support them, they should have a key worker in place for that child. people listening to this, and zack is nodding his head, the problem is lots of secondary schools are in deficit, there was a real crisis in
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funding. my own children's schools are forever having meetings about how to raise money. in 2020 we should have 17 schools open across different borrowers so we are all connected and we can all go to different units and experience and learn different things from different schools we work in to improve, as well as see how different systems work in different schools. zack, what do you think would be a way to tackle this and stop so many children being excluded? it is similar to what gilroy said, there is an really a lot of support around young children. to have meant touring
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scheme in place, if a young person is getting in trouble and at risk of exclusion, so i think it would be good if there could be a system that comes together where, if the child is in the process of going down the wrong road, then they can be pulled out straightaway again and given the support and management may need. out straightaway again and given the support and management may needm is the only intervention we hear about so often, and it always comes down to money which is the tricky point. 0ne down to money which is the tricky point. one person has got in touch saying, possible unconscious bias towards afro—caribbean boys in my opinion. school—age black boys who hit puberty earlier can be intimidating to teachers with more muscles and a deeper voice than other demographics but the reality is they are still children. another one says, it's all about competition between schools which means some schools would rather get rid of kids
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that affect their reputation, this is wrong and should not be happening. get in touch on the hashtag victoria live. thank you so much for coming in this morning. now let's get the latest weather with lucy martin. it's not going to be a good weekend, is it? it's turning much colder as we head into the weekend with a mini beast from east bringing colder conditions. by the time we get to tomorrow we are struggling to reach five celsius after a potential 14 today. mixed fortunes with how much sunshine we'll see. this photo from north wales but it's brighter in kent, blue skies to start the day, although there are patches of mist and fog. 0utbrea ks although there are patches of mist and fog. outbreaks of rain today across north—east scotland and north east england, some falling as snow over high ground. cloudy with outbreaks of rain over northern ireland and north—west england.
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brightening up with rain in the midlands and north wales, good spells of sunshine, but perhaps some heavy and thundery showers. a high of 14 celsius but it will be windy in the north. this evening and overnight, the rain will turn to snow even of lower levels and it will start to sink south and west into parts of the midlands, east anglia and maybe wales as well. the wind started to strengthen in the south with temperatures largely falling below zero. the far south—west holding onto some slightly milder temperatures. as we move on to the weekend, high pressure over scandinavia, pulling in really cold air from the east, a similar setup to what we saw a few weeks ago. doesn't look like it will be for as long, just the weekend. a much colder start to tomorrow, apache outbreaks of rain, sleet and snow clearing the south—west in the morning. snow showers feeding in from east. the far north—westjust staying dry in scotland.
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temperatures staying largely in low single figures, but when we had in the brisk north—easterly wind, it's feeling significantly colder, —7 in norwich. as we head into sunday, perhaps a longer spell of snow for a time. a little bit of uncertainty as to the exact position of the sunny spells. stay tuned to the forecast. cold start the day on sunday, some of ice. possible disruption. snow patches moving west as we had through the day. it will not feel warm with temperatures in the single figures when we add in the wind, feeling very cold. into the weekend, thing turning colder. perhaps turning to 14 celsius today, but struggling over the weekend. the wind will make it feel significant the colder and there is some snow in the colder and there is some snow in the forecast. take care and keep up—to—date with the forecast as we head into the next few days.
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hello it's friday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm chloe tilley. .. our top story — calls forjeremy corbyn to take a tougher line after he warns against ‘hastyjudgements' over who poisoned a russian spy and his daughter. in a newspaper article he says ‘let‘s not manufacture a division over russia where none exists'. the evidence points towards russia on this. therefore, the responsibility must be borne by those that made the weapon, those that brought the weapon into the country and those that used the weapon. what i was asking were questions — questions about the identity of the weapon. questions about the reference to the weapons convention. and also the support of other allies in this. if you are a nation ans=d nother nation has launched a nerve agent attack on your people, then we have every right to tell russia to shut up and go away. i think the prime minister was absolutely right to expel those diplomats and the actions we are taking. we'll get reaction to this — and find out whether other countries
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— who've said they support theresa may — are likely to take any action against russia. one of the nation's favourite soaps coronation street is to screen a harrowing male rape storyline. we'll hearfrom one man who has been raped twice and also from coronation street's producer. retailer top man tells this programme it will no longer sell this shirt after criticism from some people who believe it refers to the hillsborough disaster. when the £20 shirt went on sale online and in stores it provoked a furious reaction from liverpool fans, who took to twitter. the retailer top man told this programme it apologises unreservedly for any offence caused by the shirt and has removed it from sale. it's coming up to 10.0 4am. we can
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go to the bbc newsroom for a summary of today's news. officials in florida say six people have been killed by a footbridge which collapsed onto a busy road in miami. eight vehicles were crushed when the walkway gave way, less than a week after being installed. the bridge at florida international university was put up in one day, using a technique designed to minimise traffic disruption. police say rescue teams will work throughout the day to search for survivors, but the number of dead is likely to rise. this has turned from a rescue into a recovery operation. we are able to confirm to you at this point, and you have to stand this is a very slow process and they are still working away at the concrete. engineers told us last night that it has to be done very carefully, not only because of the fact we have to preserve evidence and there may be possible victims under there and we have to treat it delicately, but also the safety of the rescuers as well. because of the unstable nature of the bridge right now. it's a very slow process and they have been working all night long. they are
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still working. we can confirm at this point that at least there are six fatalities. they are saying at least, because there is the possibility, the sad possibility, that under the concrete there may be additional vehicles. and they are trying to work at it, the engineers are working at it in a very tactical way. because again, as i mentioned before, the structure is very fragile and it could be very dangerous to rescue personnel that are still there, people that are working. russia's foreign minister, sergei lavrov, has confirmed moscow will expel british diplomats. the move follows theresa may's expulsion of 23 staff from the russian embassy in london, over the nerve agent attack in salisbury. jeremy corbyn has again questioned russia's involvement in the poisoning of the former spy, sergei skripal, and his daughter, yulia. one in four council—run secondary schools in england is running at a loss, according to new research by the education policy institute. the number of schools in deficit has nearly trebled in the last four years. the government says it doesn't recognise the report's findings, and is putting an extra
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£1.3 billion into schools. one in four council—run secondary schools in england is running at a loss, according to new research by the education policy institute. the number of schools in deficit has nearly trebled in the last four years. the government says it doesn't recognise the report's findings, and is putting an extra £1.3 billion into schools. mps say they've been unable to identify a border solution operating anywhere in the world that would enable an invisible border to continue between northern ireland and the irish republic after brexit. the northern ireland affairs committee has called on the government to set out more details on how it will manage the movement of people and goods across the irish border. it's also warned that, without a transition period, there won't be enough time to put new arrangements in place by withdrawal day. egypt is to send a delegation of mps to the uk, following the death of an egyptian student in nottingham. 18—year—old mariam moustafa died on wednesday, nearly a month after being attacked in the city centre. the hashtag "mariam's rights will not be lost" has been trending in egypt.
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syrian activists say nearly 20,000 civilians left the rebel enclave of eastern ghouta yesterday, in the biggest displacement of people since government forces intensified their assault last month. the british—based syrian 0bservatory for human rights says the exodus stopped when rebels launched a counter—attack. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. time for some sports now. another day to forget for great britain's benmore, james barnes miller and 0wen pickard after they failed to
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make the podium in the boardercross earlier this week. paralympics gb have five medals in pyeongchang, behind the uk sport target of 6—12 with two days after competition. i'm gutted. this was my event. i came here to do well in this event and i'm upset. but there's nothing i can do about it now. i can't change what happened. i did whatever i could and it wasn't enough this time. arsenal will find out this morning who they'll play in the quarter finals of the eurpa league. danny welbeck scored twice last night as they beat ac milan 3—1 with arsene wenger‘s side cruising through 5—1 on aggregate. wenger says he wants to avoid atletico madrid, when the draw is made at midday and after losing to manchester city twice and brighton before the first leg he believes they've proved a few people wrong. we had a nightmare week. and to recover from that you need to be mentally strong. you need to be solid. and the team needs to show a
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together response. that's what we did. 0verall, together response. that's what we did. overall, i together response. that's what we did. 0verall, ithink together response. that's what we did. overall, i think many people didn't expect us to respond like we did. leg—spinner mason crane will miss england's test tour of new zealand, which starts on thursday. he has a stress fracture in his lower back and will be flying home for treatment, with somerset spinnerjack leach earning his first call up in place of crane. england had a good day in the field overnight. their bowlers took 13 wickets on the opening day of their second warm—up match against a new zealand xi. the tourists chose to stay in the field all day for bowling practice ahead of the first test and james anderson is happy with his side's efforts. today felt like a test match intensity out there. i thought all the bowlers bowled with that intensity. we threw ourselves around in the field for me had the
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opportunity. that's as much as we can do. it's a short turnaround on this tour so that's as much as we can do. we have to use the next few days wisely. boulders potentially bowling another spell in the nets tomorrow while we are batting. and then we have a couple of days in auckland to get ourselves up for the first test. the cheltenham festival comes to a to date with the biggest prize, the gold cup. incredibly, it's a race to be very successful trainer willie mullins has never won. he goes this afternoon with djakadam. he has trained well this afternoon, has had a couple of winners already this week, including penhill yesterday. rival trainer nicky henderson is also sending out a horse and rider. lots of you getting in touch with us this morning about a conversation on exclusion that we had before the news. a couple of teachers getting in
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touch, constance, a retired teacher says on e—mail, the rising number of children being excluded from school, especially in a primary sector is due to the fact the national curriculum is so directed towards results and a one size fits all that many children feel frustrated, react in ways that are not appropriate in the classroom. it's not the fault of the children. education is about the individual child and the curriculum should meet their needs. richard is also a teacher and says, as a teacheri also a teacher and says, as a teacher i am completely enraged by this discussion. we work ridiculously hard to support all the children in our classrooms. we are well aware that many children have difficulties at home and emotionally. we support these children in class and do all we can. we need to remember that we are judged by the government. if one child is throwing things around the classroom and is a risk to his or her peers physically then without the money to employ more staff to support them, what are we supposed to do? thank you for getting in touch and sharing your experiences.
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has your child being excluded, or does your child go to a school where others have been excluded? get in touch. the labour leader, jeremy corbyn, has used a newspaper article to again question whether russia was responsible for the nerve agent attack in salisbury. writing in the guardian, he said the government must avoid "hastyjudgments". the us, germany, france and now australia have backed the uk's conclusion that russia carried out the attack on the former double agent sergei skripal and his daughter yulia. earlier this month. russia's foreign minister, sergei lavrov, said british diplomats will be expelled in response to the expulsion of russian intelligence officers brought about by the poisoning of a former spy in salisbury. will other countries back their words of support for theresa may with actions against russia? let's speak now to paul knott — a former diplomat who worked on the litvinenko case and author of ‘the accidental diplomat‘. radek sikorski —
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former polish foreign minister and to amelia hadfield — professor of european and international relations at canterbury university. paul, let me begin with you, let's talk about the response from russia and the tit—for—tat that was very much expected. do you expect them to go further thanjust much expected. do you expect them to go further than just expelling diplomats? as far as we know, probably not at this stage. i think they will probably do that and then wait to see what we do next with our allies before they take further steps. but clearly they are in a very aggressive mode. so anything is possible right now. do you think this is likely to escalate between britain and russia? we have had talk of another cold war. sometimes i think we need to think about the relationship with russia. there is this one awful incident in britain on the back of previous ones as well. i think we are seeing our
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allies kind of rallying to our side because things have happened in their countries as well, and eve ryo ne their countries as well, and everyone is well aware of the danger russia poses now. i think it's quite possible that we are going to end up heading towards a situation that's a little bit reminiscent of the cold war, where russia becomes a country that we need to find ways to work with, where we have to do, to try and keep the peace in the world as much as we can. but also that it becomes a country that needs to be contained and deterred, as was the case in the cold war. do you think the response has been proportionate, both from theresa may and the russians, radek. diplomatic expulsions are standard fare. nobody in the kremlin will be impressed by that. what they would be impressed by is the fact that london being the
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european capital of russian money—laundering, if the british authorities imposed the kinds of targeted sanctions that other countries have adopted under the magnitsky act, the exclusion of these bands, and asset freezes on people who either break human rights orare people who either break human rights or are engaged in large—scale corruption, they would notice this. —— visa bans. corruption, they would notice this. -- visa bans. is that likely in the light of brexit and russian money neededin light of brexit and russian money needed in the uk? putin has gambled that theresa may will not do it. if there is a choice between the london business model and national security, the london and the city will trump it. and therefore the response will be muted, just as after the litvinenko case. amelia, is that what you think, that russia and putin see britain as weak and not going to do a lot about this? it's always interesting with regard
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to the timing of these issues. i know that brexit is a variable in the putin mindset, let's also remember there is a russian election coming up this weekend so there are domestic factors and national factors as well. i would have to agree with radek, it's the standard tit for tat but the idea of adopting magnitsky style sanctions would up the aunty and asjeremy corbyn made clear in his article in the guardian, a much wider crackdown on money laundering. going through the house of commons at this point, i think on its third reading. the sanctions and anti—money—laundering bill. it hasn't been picked up in
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the media whole lot. some of those sanctions can be utilised in this instance. financial sanctions, but also immigration sanctions, trade sanctions, and even ones that dovetail with a variety of other sanctions for the purpose of un obligations so although... if you have to make a move with regards to diplomacy and foreign policy in general, make it for the right reasons. paul, let's talk about the timing because there is the russian presidential election this weekend. do you get a sense having worked in moscow that this is about president putin flexing his muscles dramatically cutting we can still go to britain and attempt to kill people on their soil, and leave a
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nerve agent with a russian stamp on it? yes, i think it is part of a pattern of the way putin and his regime have been behaving for several years now, he's gone very strongly into... they have had economic problems, he has been there a long time, questions over legitimacy so he's focused very hard on taking actions that can be portrayed as rebuilding russia is a great power in the world. unfortunately they have done it in a highly destructive manner that has cost lots of people their lives and created a great degree of turbulence in the world. but yes, i think there is certainly a strong element of the path he is pursuing to stir up nationalist feeling in russia. do you feel the response from european countries, from the european union, has been strong enough to stand shoulder to shoulder with britain?
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the president of the european council made a quick and powerful statement and allies have rallied round but the russians see us as wea k round but the russians see us as weak hypocrites and they will look not to what we say but what we do. that remains to be seen. so do you think that, i mean one of the things that has been raised today is whether european countries will be good on their word. it is all very well signing a statement and saying well signing a statement and saying we support theresa may, but do you think any of them will take action? the action should be the sort of thing that will be effective, and what would be effective would be to address the russian elites' way of life which is to steal money from the people of russia and then secure it and enjoy it in the west. we can do something about it but it is london that is the european capital of this is so uniquely britain can ta ke of this is so uniquely britain can take the lead on this issue. let's
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talk about gas supplies because that is also one issue that is being raised by the tabloid media in recent days, about the reliance by the uk and britain on russian gas supplies. how worried should we be about the gas being switched off? not too worried, britain is not too reliant on russian gas, it is a lot more the european countries. more interestingly, i think with regards to gas stoppages, the signal they sent from russia and again it is not simply the words that emanate in terms of a crisis like this, it is very much reactions as radek said and russian it is able to use different types of foreign policy tools, gas stoppages being one of them. we have seen in the last decade a range of things moving on beyond that. we have seen the use of food embargo is with the baltics,
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forms of interference with the balkans, cyber attacks on the uk and on the german parliament, and also the rapacious use of fake news and unqualified media attacks as well, and meddling in the us. to return to the energy issue, the most recent supposed attack has been the cyber assault on the american energy grid and aspects of the american strategic structures there and that is the reason for the american ratcheting up if you like on their particular sanctions. so there's a whole range of different types of interference flowing from russia at this point and i think if america and the uk wants to move back, they are going to have to come up with some very action —based response perhaps, and this was suggested in the last couple of days by a variety of members of parliament, that uk cyber attacks on russia could be suggested. forgive me forjumping
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m, suggested. forgive me forjumping in, ijust want to get a suggested. forgive me forjumping in, i just want to get a view from paul on where you think we are in a scale, if you like, of our relations with russia, if we look historically how bad and good they have been, where do we sit on the scale right now? it is pretty bad, certainly as bad again as it was at the time of the nuclear material attack on alexander litvinenko. it is as bad as it has been for decades. sometimes there is a little bit of... you don't have good relations for the sake of it. sometimes poor relations, bad relations are what you need to have with the country or a regime that is behaving in this appalling way all over the world. thank you for taking the time out to speak to us this morning, i'm very grateful to you. topman has been forced to stop
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selling this t—shirt — after relatives of those killed in the hillsborough disaster said it was disrespectful to the 96 liverpool fans who died. the store has apologised for any offence caused and says the wording on the shirt, which reads "what goes around comes back around" was a reference to a bob marley song. i'm joined in the studio by our correspondent sarah corker, and via webcam by lou brookes, whose brother andrew died at hillsborough. he was 26 years old. we have seen the shirt butjust explain why many liverpool fans are deeply insulted by this. it is a red shirt with the words calm down one side, on the back the big 96, rose,
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and the words "what goes round comes back around". it was on sale for £20, and as top man said it was a reference to the bot marley song released in 1996 but since the shirt was spotted online by fans on thursday there has been a strong reaction. they described it as sick and offensive because they think it is an inadvertent reference to the hillsborough disaster when 96 fans died. the red is the colour of liverpool football club, the rose motif appears on the hillsborough memorial and the shirt has been withdrawn. topman as saying it is about bob marley song, but football fa ns about bob marley song, but football fans are saying how did this ever get through? we have had a statement the last half—hour from topman saying "topman apologises unreservedly for any offence caused by this t—shirt. the design was
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inspired by a bob marley tracks with the number referring to the year of the number referring to the year of the rerelease. the garment has been removed from sale online and in stores". but the big question is how did anyone in the design team not see the connection? how on earth it got through, those are the questions topman will be asking. we have had a lot of reaction online, we have heard from the mp for wirral south who took to twitter to express her concern. "no idea what was behind this but it is very unfortunate. hope topman discontinue the shirt as soon as possible, and they have acted quickly". thank you, let's speak to lou, thank you for taking time out to speak to us this morning. what did you think when you saw this shirt? first i just want to make it crystal clear that it is not
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just liverpool fans and bereaved families and survivors over reacting, this was actually brought to light by a member of the public who has no emotional ties to hillsborough whatsoever. so it is obviously not just hillsborough whatsoever. so it is obviously notjust us hillsborough whatsoever. so it is obviously not just us hillsborough families and the survivors and liverpool fans who are connecting the dots shall we say. but going back to your question, initially when i was sent the photograph last night, idid when i was sent the photograph last night, i did gasp and i thought here we go again, it is four weeks away from the 29th anniversary and it just brought back memories of the guy who wore the t—shirt about two years ago, you know. and initially thenl years ago, you know. and initially then i started seeing comments about, well, is a brand so i googled it, and all i could find was a
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women's brand, nothing to do with topman. then i thought, it is in red, why not another colour. but it is the rose for me because the rose is the rose for me because the rose is very significant to hillsborough. ijust thought, and if you notice the wording of the bob marley song isn't the same wording as actually what is on the t—shirt. isn't the same wording as actually what is on the t-shirt. do you think this is an oversight and topman have made a mistake or are you suggesting this is something more vindictive?” personally think, i mean i did try to take a step back and try to be rational about it, but ijust think there's too many coincidences and also why didn't they put 1996 on the shirt? why 96? and i think it is quite interesting of the timing. we
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are four weeks away from the 29th anniversary. don't forget as well,'s families and survivors, for 29 years old we have heard is hillsborough is god's way of punishing the liverpool fans for hysen. that's what hurts so much and that's why i do believe this t—shirt is definitely connected and referenced to hillsborough. let me read you some comments. tom on twitter says not exactly a retail masterstro ke twitter says not exactly a retail masterstroke by topman, if there are any references to masterstroke by topman, if there are a ny references to a ny masterstroke by topman, if there are any references to any tragedy it is best for all concerned to even them. also, "to profit from a disaster is horrendous, who in the company approved this design?" steve
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sweeting, "massive oversight, it's possible those who signed it off didn't have any knowledge on this but hillsborough is the first thing i thought of when i saw it." sorry to interrupt but the point i'm making is it is the general public who have raised this issue and my mum was the same when she was alive, louise, when everyone is saying the same thing everyone cannot be wrong and that's when you need to listen to what everyone is saying. when the general public, who have no emotional ties or connections to hillsborough are raising this and complaining, and bringing the issue to survivors and bereaved family members, 1.i to survivors and bereaved family members, 1.1 would like to make before you go is some of us families are before you go is some of us families a re really before you go is some of us families are really struggling at the moment. some of us suffer with anxiety, panic attacks, depression, and some of us are struggling more since
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verdict day. when we wake up each day and see things like this, especially around an anniversary, it really hurts. a 96 and the survivors did nothing wrong that day and i am fed up to the back teeth of our 96 being used to score points off the field. keep your score pointing on the pitch and not off it. these are innocent people, we are human beings, we feel, we have never done anything wrong to anybody. and we can hearfrom anything wrong to anybody. and we can hear from the anything wrong to anybody. and we can hearfrom the passion in your voice absolutely, you put it so eloquently so thank you for speaking to us today. it is worth reiterating that topman is saying this was inspired by a bob marley track. time for the latest news. here's reeta with the bbc news headlines this morning. officials in florida say six people have been killed by a footbridge which collapsed
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onto a busy road in miami. eight vehicles were crushed when the walkway gave way, less than a week after being installed. the bridge at florida international university was put up in one day, using a technique designed to minimise traffic disruption. police say rescue teams will work throughout the day to search for survivors, but the number of dead is likely to rise. russia's foreign minister, sergei lavrov, has confirmed moscow will expel british diplomats. the move follows theresa may's expulsion of 23 staff from the russian embassy in london, over the nerve agent attack in salisbury. jeremy corbyn has again questioned russia's involvement in the poisoning of the former spy, sergei skripal, and his daughterjulia. his daughter yulia. one in four council—run secondary schools in england is running at a loss, according to new research by the education policy institute. the proportion of schools in deficit has nearly trebled in the last four years. the government says it doesn't recognise the report's findings, and is putting an extra £1.3 billion into schools. syrian activists say nearly 20,000
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civilians left the rebel enclave of eastern ghouta yesterday in the biggest displacement of people since government forces intensified their assault last month. the british—based syrian 0bservatory for human rights says the exodus stopped when rebels launched a counter—attack. egypt is to send a delegation of mps to the uk, following the death of an egyptian student in nottingham. 18—year—old mariam moustafa died on wednesday, nearly a month after being attacked in the city centre. the hashtag "mariam's rights will not be lost" has been trending in egypt. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. sport now with will. great britain's snowboarders have all missed out on medals in their winter paralympic banked slalom events. another day to forget for owen pick, as well as ben moore and james barnes—miller. paralympics gb have five medals in pyeongchang, behind the uk sport target of 6—12 with just 2 days left. arsenal will find out this morning who they'll play in the quarter
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finals of the eurpa league. danny welbwck scored twice last night as they beat ac milan 3—1, 5—1 on aggregate. leg—spinner mason crane will miss england's test tour of new zealand because of a back injury. he's been replaced by somerset‘s jack leach. the two—test series begins in auckland next thursday. the cheltenham festival comes to a close today, with the biggest prize — the gold cup. it's a race the hugely successful trainer willie mullins has never won djakadam he'll try again this afternoon with djakadum. his rival trainer nicky henderson sends out might bite. one of the nation's favourite soaps coronation street will tonight broadcast the start of a major storyline focusing on male rape. the plot will see the character david platt raped by male mechanic and personal trainerjosh tucker. in the coming weeks the soap will chart the characters struggle in the aftermath of the attack. this is a clip from tonight's episode. two peas in a pod, you and me. my mum, she always used to refer to her fellas as my uncles. mmm.
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yeah, my gran was just as bad, apparently, in her day. mmm. but... now they're just two born—again prudes. i think we should have a toast, actually. to all the uncles in the world. to uncles. right. i'm going to go for a wazz. let's talk now to one survivor of male rape, alexander morgan. he was raped twice. and kate 0ates — coronation street's producer — whojoins us from manchester. thank you for coming in. did you feel in the aftermath of the times you were raped that you were able to talk to people about it?” you were raped that you were able to talk to people about it? i think the first emotion i felt was that i froze. so i couldn't really come to
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terms with what happened. the first insta nce terms with what happened. the first instance it happened, i was walking home and the attack happened. when i got back, the first thing i wanted to do was clean myself up. i couldn't bring myself to talk about or even think about what happened. i kept it inside like that for years. a second attack happened when i was 20,i a second attack happened when i was 20, i was at university, at a bar in soho and i was followed into a toilet. that's when the other attack happened. it took another three months after that to even start acknowledging what happened to me, let alone start talking about it or start to seek help. what did that do to you inside, your emotions and your ability to function? you become very cold. not very respected to emotions and feelings, you just try to move on as much as possible. try to move on as much as possible. try to literally forget what happened to
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you. there is a lot of feeling of shame, that you let somebody get the better of you, that you let somebody do that to you. is that linked to being a man? yes, i think so. i think there is a stigma in society about how masculinity should become about how masculinity should become a man should be powerful, he should be able to provide and protect himself. the fact you couldn't protect yourself in that moment, and you let somebody get the better of you, let somebody do that to you, i believe that attacks what society thinks is masculinity. and being a man. therefore people don't like to talk about it or seek help. what prompted you to tell people to seek help? after the second attack, about three months later, i let it get in the way of a relationship, and that led me to slip into mental health issues. i first sought help for the
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mental health issue, i was diagnosed with depression and through the counselling that followed i was able to start opening up about what had happened and the other events in my past. that's when i could start talking to family members and things like that. but then it was actually when i told my mum that i started being more proactive about it. my mum came to me in the kitchen two months after i told her in an e—mail, because i couldn't tell her face—to—face. i told my whole family in an e—mail. it took awhile for her to process that. she came up to me in the kitchen and said an amazing line—up stuck to me, and she said, what happened to you was awful, but go out there and stop it happening to somebody else. that gave me the right click to be a bit more proactive about it. in my head i was very much thinking, i thought i was a victim, and then i became a
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survivor. i wanted to go out there and do something about it, which led me to founding my charity. bringing in kate now, listening to alexander's situation, presumably you have heard many stories like this. why was it important for coronation street to tackle this head on? listing to alex's story echoes a lot of what we heard through the charity survivors of manchester who we have been working with. alex, to hear your story, it was so brave and brilliant for you to come forward and turn your experience around. we are trying to encourage other survivors to do that with this story. one in ten rapes on —— in this country will be of a male victim, and they don't talk about it and we want them to change that. this is for men all across the country, who might have a view, as alexander talked about some of a certain type of masculinity, and encouraging them to open up. it's
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really key, the perception of masculinity is really key to the story and the experience. what we have learned through research is that men take in excess of 25 years to talk about abuse that has happened to them. alex was talking about three months there, which is phenomenal. a lot of people take a lot longer. 0n the victoria derbyshire show, i have spoke to victoria before, and you have raised theissue victoria before, and you have raised the issue of historic abuse with footballers, and charities then experienced a huge surge in calls from people wanting to disclose and ask for help. we are trying to condense that time, because there are people available to listen and give help. we need to dispel the myths of masculinity, because what is important is coming through stronger. how important is it for a show like coronation street to take ona show like coronation street to take on a male rape storyline in this way? it's really important to start these conversations. especially with something so prominent as coronation
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street. it was reading stories online from other survivors that made me want to start talking about it. fair enough, it was there for therapy, but it was other people, seeing other survivors come forward and say, this happened. i thought, that happened to me too. then conversations start and people start addressing what happened to them, and starts to seek help in their own way. whether that's reporting to the police or just speaking way. whether that's reporting to the police orjust speaking to family members and friends, or approaching services like survivors uk and manchester. how much of responsibility is this for coronation street? you have to get this right. it's a responsibility we take seriously, whatever storyline we approach. we work with charities, we approach. we work with charities, we work with people who have lived the experience, whatever the storyline is. it's important for us to get it right. survivors manchester have been across all the
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scripts. duncan craig has been fantastic with that. we have worked with other charities like the samaritans. the responsibility is heavy on our shoulders but that's good because we checked everything we and we are as accurate as we can possibly be. that's crucial. alexander, if somebody is watching today and this is bringing back an horrific event in life, what would you say to them about coming forward ? you say to them about coming forward? what's the best to make that first step? the best way to make the first step is to realise that, for example, going to the police doesn't have to be the first option. you can just police doesn't have to be the first option. you canjust start police doesn't have to be the first option. you can just start talking about it to someone. that could be a friend, family member. 0r there are plenty of services that are anonymous, you can call helplines, or even have a web chat. that's how i started. as soon as you start the conversation, you will start to feel like a weight has been lifted off your shoulder. don't be put off by
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thinking, they might not catch them, or there might be evidence or you might not be believed. there are people out there who will believe you. services and the police are very good at making sure there is ca re very good at making sure there is care out there. we have had a comment coming in, it's good to see coronation street tackle a male rape storyline. soaps covering issues like this is really powerful. i remember when hollyoaks did a similar storyline years ago with luke and! similar storyline years ago with luke and i neverforgot similar storyline years ago with luke and i never forgot it. hopefully men will feel more able to speak out. alexander and kate, thank you for speaking to us today. if you have been affected by these issues and want help or advice, please visit the bbc website. if you've been affected by any of these issues and want help or advice, please go to bbc.c0.uk/action line. bbc click has been looking into dimension technology. —— new
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dementia technology. next this morning, a top advertising firm has been forced to apologise to its staff after a sexist email was sent by a male executive to female colleagues ranking their attractiveness on international women's day. in a farewell email to his fellow employees, paul martin, who has now left his role as a creative strategist at the and partnership agency, sent a series of messages which included a list of ‘top five' and ‘bottom five' female colleagues. in one offensive comment about a female colleague, he said: "if you were the last girl on earth, i would use you as bait to trap a wild animal." in another comment, which had the subject line "bye bye", martin listed a female colleague and wrote, "i don't see the attraction to be honest, but everyone else rates you, so you must be doing something right". he has since apologised and said he is "incredibly sorry" for the email, admitting that he "totally missed the mark". so, was itjust a tasteless joke
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or is this part of a wider office culture ? let's speak now to sarah golding, the chief executive of the agency where martin works. we are also joined buying nicola kemp. what happened here? we are also joined buying nicola kemp. what happened here7m we are also joined buying nicola kemp. what happened here? it was a poorlyjudged and kemp. what happened here? it was a poorly judged and ill—conceived attempt at a funny e—mail that nothing is laughing with —— within the agency. i have taken action within the agency and stopped any activity like this that objectifies men or women, and as president of
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our industry body i am calling on all agencies to stop similar activities that do objectify men or women. next week as i'm sure you know is ad week europe, the biggest gathering of people who work in our industry across europe, and it's a great opportunity to move forward positively and bring about change. people watching this will save there must have been a culture within the office that he felt it was safe to send an e—mail. what's been watching this, it would never even crossed their mind to think about it, let alone put it in an e—mail and hit the send button. my industry and my agency does not condone sexism, it is not a sexist culture. i hope i'm proof of that, i'm chief executive of one of the top advertising agencies in this country and the second female president of our industry body. so are you saying
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e—mails like this have never been sent like this before? no, top five e—mails have been sent but never like this before. this has not been a one—way exercise in female objectification. normally these top five e—mails, i think in some agencies it is top three, actually celebrate friendships, bonds that have been made. explain to people who don't know what a top three or top five e—mail is. who don't know what a top three or top five e-mail is. what has become tradition within our industry across many agencies is that when somebody leaves, they send an e—mail to all staff naming five people who have really helped them. friendships they have made, people who got them out ofa have made, people who got them out of a hole, five great events that have happened, memorable things or people that they admire or people they want to celebrate for having
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helped them whilst they have been in theirjob at a particular agency so they are done with fun and friendship and they are positive and they celebrate these strong bonds. so what went wrong? it was juvenile, ill—conceived and poorjudgment but it was a one—off. my industry is not sexist, we don't condone sexism. 0nly sexist, we don't condone sexism. only the year before last we issued a diversity survey where we asked member agencies to take a really good look at ourselves so we could set ourselves targets. we are not there yet and our industry is changing like many other industries, but we have 30% of women in c suite positions and we have set ourselves a target to get 50% in c suite positions by 2020. what about the women named in this e—mail? what we read out was very tame, many things
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in there were so deeply offensive we couldn't contemplate putting it on television, let alone before the watershed. are these women offended, have they been offered support?” have they been offered support?” have been talking to one of the women mentioned in this e—mail so i know how they are feeling. i was named in the e—mail, i certainly wasn't asked to be named in the e—mail so myself and otherfemale colleagues, i have a female md and several heads of department who are females, i have certainly apologised to these women and said i know how you feel, it is awful, upsetting and offensive. did you feel embarrassed? yes, i felt incredibly embarrassed soi yes, i felt incredibly embarrassed so i made sure, well, i am always there for these women. i'm doing my best to champion women. i chair the women of tomorrow in our industry, i sit on the stereotype alliance, the
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un initiative, i chairand sit on the stereotype alliance, the un initiative, i chair and champion all of the diversity issues that the ipa agenda sets. i know paul martin has left, clearly this was leaving e—mail, are you taking any further against him? i also think now we need to look at what's happening in the tabloids. this is a young guy, he wasn't the head of an advertising agency, he's in his 20s, he has made agency, he's in his 20s, he has made a big mistake and now he is being pilloried across social media and all of the tabloids. he should have thought about that before he sent the e—mail. thought about that before he sent the e-mail. you should but he's a human being and he made a mistake.” wa nt to human being and he made a mistake.” want to bring in nicola camp now. do you think this was a one—off or that there is a general sexist office culture that exists in 2018? this
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wasn't a one—off, that is clear, and i don't think this is about one agency or on individual. there's big issues across notjust agency or on individual. there's big issues across not just the advertising industry but lots of other industries as well about the way in which women are excluded and belittled and talked about in this way. these top five e—mails are symptomatic of a culture in which women have been valued by what they looked like and not what they can do. that is a big issue and unfortunately this one e—mail has become a lightning rod for a lot of different issues which are very culturally sensitive. there is a point, as i made to sarah, that there are many people watching this that would never even contemplate sending an e—mail like that, let alone putting it down and hitting the send button so this is reflective of a culture that you think allows this to happen in
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advertising? i think the fact is that for a number of years these e—mails have been sent. this is a very extreme example of that type of e—mail. a lot of the e—mails that have been sent have been more light—hearted in their tone but the fa ct light—hearted in their tone but the fact is a lot of them have focused on women and since we published this story in campaign, a lot of those women have got in touch. after this e—mailwas women have got in touch. after this e—mail was released, and started going viral on twitter, and open source google document was created by women in advertising which named three other agencies in which these e—mails have taken place. sol three other agencies in which these e—mails have taken place. so i think it is much bigger than one single e—mail or one single person. it is much bigger than one single e-mail or one single person. thank you forjoining us, nicola and sarah. we spoke earlier to a remarkable
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woman, who campaigned for new laws after the father of her unborn son killed him by clicking on her stomach. let's hear what she had to say. my neighbour heard the screaming, she opened the window and said, what are you doing? another of my neighbours was in the car and stopped in the middle—of—the—road because she saw two guy essentially on top of me and as my neighbour screamed out the window they ran off andi screamed out the window they ran off and i think that's what initially scared them off but if it wasn't for that, god only knows how long they would have continued attacking me. after some time i started to realise my after some time i started to realise b after some time i started to realise my baby hasn't moved so my instinct started to tell me something was wrong because he hadn't been moving for quite a while. so you got to hospital and at what point did you realise thatjoel had died?m
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hospital and at what point did you realise that joel had died? it was once they confirmed it to me. i had a feeling, i really kind of knew but i needed them to confirm it. i had a ca esa rea n i needed them to confirm it. i had a caesarean section the following evening because i couldn't give birth naturally, it just evening because i couldn't give birth naturally, itjust wasn't happening. and then after that i realised or i was told that my fingers have broken so i also had to have surgery the same week, a few days afterwards, i had to have surgery on my fingers. obviously the physical injuries heal in time after the operations but how have you been able to process what happened to you, that the father of your unborn child was the person to take him away from you? it's taken a long time to be fair. like i say, maybe two and a half years to get to a place where i've accepted what's happened. i will never understand, i
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will never know why he did it and i've accepted that but for me my main focus was just to make sure that i was in a good place, you know, i wasn't going to let this define me. and was one of the things that helps you move on the fact that you went to court and you saw justice being served ? you went to court and you saw justice being served? yes, that was one of the main things but also just talking to my family and friends, i tried to get their outlook on it and their support as well helped me get to the place where i am today. were you happy with the sentence? not at first, i will be honest, not at first. a minimum of 16 years. i was lucky, there are other cases where you don't even have a conviction, let alone a conviction and a life sentence being passed to the perpetrator. and that's because this
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is all part of your campaign now to look at this review of the law because i guess in your case it was pretty simple for the police to investigate. you were heavily pregnant, this was the father of your child and he targeted specifically your stomach so in many ways it was easy to prosecute under that law. exactly, because according to the law it is a more about if the police can prove the intent. if they can police can prove the intent. if they ca n prove police can prove the intent. if they can prove there was an intention to harm, destroy or kill a baby, that is when it is a lot easier for them to prosecute the perpetrator for the law but if it was a matter of recklessness, it is a lot harder to sort of proof that because they may not have had the intention to harm the baby's not have had the intention to harm the ba by‘s life not have had the intention to harm the baby's life but as a result their recklessness has essentially ended a ba by‘s their recklessness has essentially ended a baby's life. malorie bantala
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sharing her story. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. the met office have issued various warnings as the mini beast from the east approaches this weekend. first of all through today we will see outbreaks of rain for the north—east, summer but falling snow over higher ground, cloudy with outbreaks of rain for more and north—west england. in the south highs of 14 celsius. 0vernight the rain in the north—east turning to snow at lower levels, sinking south, and strong winds picking up across the south as well. temperatures falling largely below freezing. a significantly different feel to the day tomorrow, we see patchy outbreaks of snow and sleet clearing
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to the south—west. snow showers feeding in from the south—east on the brisk easterly wind so feeling much colder than this. as we move overnight into sunday, snow showers are coming increasingly heavy, the potential to see some eyes so we have two amber warnings in place. stay tuned to the forecast. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11. russia foreign minister confirms it's expelling british diplomats after theresa may's expulsion of 23 staff from the russian embassy in london. translation: it seems that the prime
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minister is blaming russia. the labour leaderjeremy corbyn again questions russia's involvement in the poisoning of an former spy and his daughter and warns against "hastyjudgements". at least six people have died after a newly built footbridge collapses onto a highway in miami. nearly 20,000 syrian civilians have left the rebel—held enclave of eastern ghouta as government forces advance into the region. also, topman withdraws a top from sale amid criticism it was offensive. the company has apologised, as the top could be seen to be
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