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hello, you're watching afternoon live — i'm simon mccoy. today at 2pm. a healthy increase — more than a million nhs workers in england are offered a pay rise of around 6% over the next three years. the agreemment which nhs trade unions have recommended to their members today, is a something for something deal which brings in profound changes in productivity in exchange for significant rises in pay. changing his profile — the academic at the centre of the row over the use of personal facebook data now describes himself as a scapegoat. a russian official says britain may have been behind the poison attack in salisbury — borisjohnson is about to answer mps questions in parliament — we'll bring you that live. also ahead, we have got all the sport, and with that, john. also ahead, we have got all the sport, and with that, john. yes, simon, we're talking cricket, scotland's cricketers in total are
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chasing a total of 199 if they are to beat the west indies and qualify for the world cup. we will keep you updated. tomasz schafernaker has a look at the weather. it is looking pretty good over the next few days, as in no surprises but i will be talking a little bit more about the easter weekend in around half an hour. also coming up... unless we do something about it now — the amount of plastic in the ocean is set to treble in a decade — we'll be talking to the professor behind this disturbing warning. more than a million nhs staff in england, including nurses, porters and paramedics, have been offered a pay rise of at least 6.5% over the next three years. the health secretaryjeremy hunt said the pay rise was recognition that staff have "never worked harder" but labour said it was long overdue. there's been a mixed response from the health unions — some pointing out that —
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in real terms — the rise is still quite small. our political correspondent iain watson reports. for the past seven years, nhs staff have had their pay capped or frozen. health service unions have argued that their members are chronically underpaid, and nhs managers have been calling for wage increases to improve recruitment and retention and to avoid acute staff sorted is. today the treasury said it had found the cash to improve pay rates without taking it from elsewhere in the nhs budget. we recognise the nhs is facing some unique pressures. we have seen a lot more patients going to accident and are you, we have seen increasing demand for services, so we seen increasing demand for services, so we have set aside that money in exchange for making sure that we reform the way the nhs is working.
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an agreement has been reached with the unions, which is relieved positive. most nhs staff in england have been offered an increase of average 6.5% over the next 3.5 yea rs. average 6.5% over the next 3.5 years. it is not include doctors and dentists, which is separate. hospital porters and cleaners are the lowest nhs pay band, could see their salaries rise from £15,000 a year to more than £18,000 after three years, but a £2000 pay increase in the coming year. since lifting the pay for police and prison officers last autumn the government has been under huge political pressure to do the same for the more than a million staff for the more than a million staff for the more than a million staff for the nhs, but this comes as a price. the health secretary has had a guaranteed to the treasury that increases will be reformed, and that
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in addition staff rather than patients will come down. after months of negotiations, some unions signalled strong support for the pay offer, something nhs staff give it a more cautious welcome.” offer, something nhs staff give it a more cautious welcome. i personally will do quite well and those who are ona will do quite well and those who are on a lower banding will do quite well as well. there are some big blue went do as well, people i work with, and i want everyone to get a good offer today. i am happy, it is quite shocking but i'm sure it came too late. but others were more sceptical, the gmb union said the 6.5% increase was below the predicted rate of inflation and should be rejected, and labour asked for more detail. at the end of eight yea rs of for more detail. at the end of eight years of either 1% or a pay cap and the trade unions appear to be quite happy with the start, but we will look at the devil is in the details of this sort of situation, where they will get the money from, we
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don't know, so let's see what the detail is on this. austerity is not dead,it detail is on this. austerity is not dead, it is not even on life support, but the government recognises pay in the nhs has to recover to attract and keep staff who do vital work. ta ke you to the foreign affairs select committee, borisjohnson is talking about the situation with russia. why do you think they used this particular nerve agent, rather than something more easily concealed and contained? well, we can only speculate about that, mr gapes, buti well, we can only speculate about that, mr gapes, but i thought that was the father of the house, ken clarke, who put his finger on it the other day when he said that this was really to put, as it were, a russian signature on the deed, and by using
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a specific type of nerve agent that was known to have been developed in the soviet union, in russia, it was, as it were, a sign that nobody, no former russian agent was immune, now one could escape the long arm of russian revenge. and i think what people, as the story has unfolded, it has really become clearer and clearer how reckless the assassins we re clearer how reckless the assassins were in their contempt for human life, because it is not only that we still have a police officer in hospital, the two seriously injured but many members of the public were at serious risk for their health. why did they not fear what our response, our reaction, would be, is it related to ten years ago, 12
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years ago, when they murdered alexander litvinenko loanee ? years ago, when they murdered alexander litvinenko loanee? is it to do with —— with polonium. is it to do with —— with polonium. is it to do with how we are seen internationally, you have referred to how the russian state sees the uk, did they feel that we were at a particular point where we might be less supported internationally than we might have been in the past?“ that was their assumption, i think they have been greatly disappointed, because i think there is a big difference in the global reaction to this event and the assassination of alexander litvinenko. if you remember what happened 12 years ago the world was in fact rather muted in the way it responded, and what we have seen over the last couple of weeks has been, i think, a mounting disgust globally at what has been done, andi
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disgust globally at what has been done, and i certainly have been surprised by the strength of the solidarity that there is with the uk, and the determination, whether it is at nato or the eu, or the un security council, the determination by other countries to show their support for us in this country. have you got any thoughts about why they chose this particular timing to do this? well, i think that the most common suggestion that i've read and heard is that there may have been some, for instance, i have seen it speculated that there may be some reaction in moscow, in the kremlin, to the very considerable loss of russian life in the wagner mercenaries, you will remember what happened in syria. i have certainly
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read speculation about that. but i think the timing is probably more closely connected with the recent election inrush. and as many non—democratic figures do when facing an election or facing some critical political moment, it is often attractive to conjure up in the public imagination the notion of an enemy, and that is what i think it was an attempt to excite among the russian electorate. may i reiterate is a port i had from parliamentarians across europe, who have contacted me as chair of this committee on any number of different moment and any different levels, repeating exactly your words, foreign secretary. bob, you were going to say? i am just asking mike
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posner question with a different twist. you are giving your understanding of why the russians may have behaved like this, there is another automotive, they saw the response of litvinenko, they see a nation that does not spend very much on defence, as many european union members do not, so you are saying they are attacking us because they are seeing us as being strong, you could argue they are attacking us because they see us as being weak and we are desperate to look the other way, rather than see the nature of russia's full spectrum of war, whether it is in crimea, bosnia, syria, london or in the us elections. regardless of what happened 12 years ago after the litvinenko assassination, i think most people, both sides of the commons, all backbenchers that i listen to last wednesday, overwhelmingly approved of the response that the uk is issuing this
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time. it has been a mixture of a very firm diplomatic response, as you know the biggest expulsion of undeclared russian agents since the 19805, undeclared russian agents since the 1980s, coupled with a series of measures designed to push back on russia in all sorts of ways. and i don't believe that would have been factored in, priced in, when the decision was made to make this assassination attempt. you will know what they are, countering russian disinformation with our colleagues, looking at what we can do to tackle cyber war, and build up our own cyber war, and build up our own cyber capabilities, making sure, above all, that we have a series of ways to crack down on those who may have illicitly or corruptly obtained money, and who are connected to vladimir putin. and we are working
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with our colleagues across the world to dojust that, with our colleagues across the world to do just that, and that work as you can imagine is now intensifying. foreign secretary, after your visit to russia in december, you said we have to engage, we have to talk to each other, is that still your approach when it comes to russia, and what are your plans, in terms of communication in light of what has happened? thank you, yes. the policy is effectively unchanged, as the prime minister said on wednesday, and now one can say that we haven't been trying. that was the reason for going to moscow, to show that we we re going to moscow, to show that we were willing to engage. i am not going to say that sergei lavrov is coming here any time soon, he certainly isn't, and there will be no high—level uk representation at the world cup. we all know that. things are going to be very
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difficult, politically, of course they will be, for a while to come. but that doesn't mean that all contact must be stopped and all engagement must be stopped. i will tell you why. i believe the uk in spite of everything has many admirers among the russian people, and people who want to listen to what we have to say, and who were by the way very disappointed by russia's actions including down the british council. of all the things that happened, that was the biggest hostile reaction that we know amongst the russian public. and we will want if we possibly can to continue communication, to continue to hold out the hand of friendship to hold out the hand of friendship to the russian people, because our for all is emphatically not with them, our quarrel is not with the russians, it is with putin's kremlin. and howard you define success kremlin. and howard you define success going forward, in terms of actually making some progress with
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key dialogue, going forward on some of these issues, that are really pressing its use, that are affecting us pressing its use, that are affecting us in diplomatic —— pressing issues. there are several areas in which we have to be absolutely honest where the russians do play a role across the geopolitical landscape, not least in syria, where the crisis is getting worse, the slaughter is again intensifying, we have people dying at the rate of about 88 day. now in eastern ghouta. it is up to the russians to get their client state, to get bashar al—assad to the negotiating table in geneva, to abandon what is happening in sochi, which is not really leading anywhere, and to have a proper negotiation. and there the russians can be influential and certainly are influential, and we in the uk have two engage to make that point. can i just come back you have mentioned
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syria, and i know we probably want to come on and talk about syria in a bit, but as you have roasted, syria's dunn russia's position in syria's dunn russia's position in syria interims of their own activities, in light of all we are facing in this country, which is following all lines of accountability, getting them to take responsibility for what has happened, how far do you think we in britain can push the russians, in terms of syria, in being responsible and accountable for their own actions there? as you know, we have led the way in getting denunciation of what they have done, getting sanctions certainly on members of assad's regime who were responsible for the massacre. we have continued to hold the russians to account at the un for what they are doing in syria. 0bviously difficult since the russians are also a t5 country but
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we continue to put the pressure on assad and the russians, and we continue to do so —— they are also a p5 country. it is exactly the fourth anniversary of that invasion. it is the uk that has been in the lead in imposing sanctions on russia, and by the way those sanctions, i was asked about this a few days ago, though sanctions have been responsible i think in 2015 alone they were responsible for about a 0.4% fall in russia's gdp, so they are not insignificant. the uk has been at the forefront of pushing for these and we will continue to do so. chris, you wanted to come in.|j wanted to pursue a bit along the
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same lines as mr sealey, because when alexander litvinenko was murdered, obviously the first intention was to try and get a proper trial. and it took a long time to have rows with the russians about whether any extradition was possible, whether it would be possible, whether it would be possible to interview mr koff tonight or mr yougov oik and another isa tonight or mr yougov oik and another is a change of government in 2010, why did it take such a long time for the government to agree to have a full enquiry into alexander litvinenko cosmic death?|j full enquiry into alexander litvinenko cosmic death? i know mr brya nt litvinenko cosmic death? i know mr bryant you have been following this type of issue for a long time with a great deal of assiduity and clarity. it goes to the wire we took the decision to respond not immediately, not to let the grass as it were grow under ourfeet this not to let the grass as it were grow under our feet this time around. in the case of sergei skripal and his
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daughter. the reason is, when it came to litvinenko, the british state basically, we behaved in the way that you would expect us to behave,in way that you would expect us to behave, in that we scrupulously followed legal processes, as indeed we have done on this occasion, but then we thought that the russians would do the same. and so my understanding is that every effort was made to persuade the russians to hand over lugavoy and kovtun for trial and the russians responded with denial, distortion and allayed. that is their tactic. i think we have learned a lesson from that. that is why we have moved in a different direction this time. the litvinenko
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enquiry then happen, and at the end of that, as a result of it, even when it had been decided by the judge, the closest we could have two a full and proper trial, the judge decided that the trail ran straight back to the kremlin and then we did nothing. i can tell you that the case of alexander litvinenko was the first thing i raised in my first ever meeting with sergei lavrov, so we have continued to raise it.|j know, but we didn't do anything, did we? it is very difficult on the basis of when you have an absolute denial by the russian state of what they have done to ask them to... have you met lorena litvinenko, his widow? not to my knowledge. it may be that i have. i would want to... could i urge you to, if you haven't had an opportunity to do so, because she is one of the most
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clear—sighted, calm, outstanding individuals that i've met, and she has a lot of good ideas that we could do. on a point of fact, mr bryant, it is not true that the government did not do anything, the government did not do anything, the government of gordon brown injuly 2007 when it came in third in place a series of measures for expulsion... i understand that, i am talking about after the enquiry being held. there have been a series of actions, most of which are still in place first i understand that, but after the litvinenko enquiry had been held, when the judge pointed it straight back to the kremlin, then we did nothing, and that is why i think that point is quite a good one. the point of mr sealey. we would prefer to have a full trial with suspect and all the rest. if that proves impossible, for all the same reasons, will we have a public
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enquiry led bya same reasons, will we have a public enquiry led by a judge as soon as possible, so that is much can be held ina possible, so that is much can be held in a properand possible, so that is much can be held in a proper and you process can be held? firstly, we continue to demand the extradition of lugavoi and kovtun, and that is a point i raised with my russian counterparts when i have met them. on your question about a judicial enquiry, i think what most people would want to see now, the priority is to try to establish the facts of the case as best as we can. what we are doing now was handing over, making sure the provision of mccall weapons has access to the samples of nerve
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agent, so they can be evaluated in what most people have accepted will be impartial conditions.” what most people have accepted will be impartial conditions. i was going to ask another question, if that is 0k? to ask another question, if that is ok? i have had it put to me that the reason we did nothing of substance after the litvinenko enquiry was that russian money in the uk is now so that russian money in the uk is now so important that it would be an ex—essential risk to the city of london to lose that money. identically that for a minute, mr bryant. building on what chris was saying, i bryant. building on what chris was saying, lam bryant. building on what chris was saying, i am slightly concerned that the west and the uk doesn't understand the nature of the russian strength. can i ask you what do you believe that the russia's full—spectrum war, hybrid war, what do you believe it consists of where do you believe it consists of where do you believe it consists of where do you believe it is being played out in the uk and elsewhere in
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world ? out in the uk and elsewhere in world? i think the russian threat consists mainly in the state of mind that is to be found in the kremlin, and it is a revanchist, bitter feeling about the way the cold war ended, and about what happened to the old soviet union, and a feeling that russia is now simply the control over a much diminished sphere of influence. the boundaries of moscow's dominions have been rolled back, and i think vladimir putin feels that very keenly, and he wa nts putin feels that very keenly, and he wants and he feels that russia lost out, and so he wants to cause trouble wherever he can, and that's why you have seen the kind of provocations, the attempted assassination in montenegro, the cyber warfare, disinformation, meddling in european election campaigns, to say nothing of election campaigns elsewhere, a general feeling that russia has got to be noticed. and then of course
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the action in syria. a desire for the action in syria. a desire for the world to take russia seriously again atany the world to take russia seriously again at any price, and of course his principal audience for this is not us. it's his domestic audience who want, after what they see as all these humiliations, who want to feel that russia is strong again, and that russia is strong again, and that russia is ruled by someone who is strong and capable of expressing his strength and his desire for revenge even in a place like salisbury. i ask that question because you didn't list many tools, and you primarily looked at forms of political covert warfare, what in the cold war was called active measures, smears, disinformation, do you think other tools, soft power, ha rd you think other tools, soft power, hard power, this combination of what the russians have said their doctrine is the mixing of military
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and non—military? doctrine is the mixing of military and non-military? yes, and indeed hybrid warfare is the correct term, because if you think of what happened in salisbury, things like attacks on the tv station, tv5 in france, unexplained hacking, all the attempted murder of agents in salisbury, these are carefully chosen because they probably come beneath the threshold of article five of the nato treaty. they don't quite justify the nations of the nato coming together for a joint response, not least since unlike the advance of a tank battalion or let alone a nuclear strike, they are much harder to identify, and they are much harder to prove. so it is that type of hybrid warfare that russia is now engaged in. a couple more questions, very briefly. coming
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back to what we are doing, we're doing something with finance, something with saivet, something on the espionage front. is our response toa the espionage front. is our response to a full—spectrum war full—spectrum? to a full—spectrum war full-spectrum? we do not wish to engage in a new cold war, and i deprecate that term. i remember the old cold war, and it was a pretty miserable time, and i grew up genuinely worrying that our country was going to be evaporated in a thermonuclear strike. i don't think that we face that kind of existential threat, but it is a threat nonetheless, and we have to be very tough and we have to be very resonant. to get back to your earlier question about defence spending. i think it is absolutely right that we as a country are one of the biggest spenders on defence in nato and meet the 2% threshold.
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just finally on this point, during the cold war, however you want to characterise the russian ship with the russians now, the senate intelligence committee of the united states did fantastically good work methodically exposing russian active measures, disinformation campaigns. rather thanjust waving measures, disinformation campaigns. rather than just waving a finger at the russians, should we not be trying to do something similar, setting up some kind of permanent standing enquiry under government, under parliament, that methodically exposes to our own people and to the russian people and for the historical record these subversive campaigns, because if they are a threat should we not expose them to the light of truth? i certainly think we do need to do more to expose russian disinformation, and the uk makes a contribution to various organisations, not least in the that various organisations, not least in the - that are in g. g- $2 $7
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t sweet 777;%1:;77 t sweet bots 51:5 t sweet bots and i; organising these sweet bots and trolling factories —— twitter watts. that pump out all sorts of stuff. we certainly need to counteract it. what are you going to do about it? we are investing in good journalism, we are supporting the bbc world service, but that is as you know and impartial, independent organisation, and much trusted and loved around the world. on exactly that nature, you have spoken about the intent of the russian government to talk at home of course and most of us would recognise that much of the actions
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of the russian federation in recent weeks have certainly been for a divested audience. surely some of this is not for a domestic audience, it is designed to destroy the ties that wine does and effectively to undermine the fabric of the world we have dealt with such pain and difficulty over the best part of the la st two difficulty over the best part of the last two years, since the war ended. would you not see that also as a very threatening situation, of course for the united kingdom but also for our european partners and actually take a leaf of the smaller members who have clubbed together either in nato or the european union or in any other form in order to make sure they are able to exercise their own national mandate free from their own national mandate free from the pressure of an overweening neighbour? i think that is exactly right. i think that maybe part of the russian intention. insofar as it is, ithink the russian intention. insofar as it is, i think so far they have been
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wholly confounded in their efforts, because i think what they have done is actually reinforced the solidarity, or as you have discovered yourself in your conversations with other parliamentarians around europe, reinforced the solidarity of our continent, reinforced the solidarity of nato. i was really, i have to say, i was very surprised by the strength of the language and the endorsement of the uk analysis that appeared in the statement. the power of what nikki haley had to say to the security council. these are things we did not necessarily go looking for but which came spontaneously, partly because so many countries have felt the effects of russia's disruptive and maligned behaviour. i just want to go of russia's disruptive and maligned behaviour. ijust want to go back of russia's disruptive and maligned behaviour. i just want to go back to a point mr sealey made, because
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karen reminds me that in addition to supporting free independent media, and one of the things i have done at the foreign office is to invest in support for journalists who fall foul of regimes with their legal difficulties, but we are also putting £8 million into independent media in the russian language, media operating in the russian language, so operating in the russian language, so trying to reach those people as well. pods correcting the lives that we are seeing coming out of russian state media outlets is clearly an important thing to do. but, i would also like to do a tension to the fa ct also like to do a tension to the fact that these lives of —— lies are spreading very effectively, and he worked at david collins has done is extremely important. can i ask what support you would be willing to give to enable those forms of enquiry, holding enquiries overseas? is
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extremely important to make sure that we can reach out to those with lessons to give, and it would be useful to use the embassies in that way. yes, sorry. i thank useful to use the embassies in that way. yes, sorry. ithank you. i recall that mr collins‘ committee... i think you are getting at a specific point here, which is that they wanted to have an evidence session at the uk embassy wastingtonrandr’” ' ' washfngtonfand i "" ' ' wasi‘dngtonfand i g was e interesting i think yam intgrgqting idg: hunt i think . .. .. difficulty - that i that yam intgrgqting idg: hunt i think . .. .. difficulty - that l that it eee auras-3g? weeeeeeeeeeee'e eee e'eefebeee weeeeeeeeeeee'e construed i a uk eeee got very carefully about how we hendlej very carefully about how we handlej the committee out, fact—finding, and wa nt to committee out, fact—finding, and want to "f“ ' committee out, fact—finding, and
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want to to “f“ e:— ee committee out, fact—finding, and want to to eeeto e— e 2425” role jeeee-e ———, these - .. ————— — ., host... and therefore enabling these committee systems to work through the mc network is seen as an important aspect... let me take that away... well, if we are not willing to expend to people the difference between parliament and governments to our embassy met network, it does draw into question our ability to communicate many of the final stomach finer points of our constitutional settlement.” stomach finer points of our constitutional settlement. i can see where this is leading. it is leading to are supporting you in having wonderful meetings with your committee at embassies around the
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world. can i think about it? mr johnson, it is not about this committee. this committee is already extremely effective. it is about other committees. if it was only about us... ifi understand correctly, what was proposed was that there should be as it were, a panelled committee hearing, according a —— holding a session, it isa according a —— holding a session, it is a normal idea, and... instead, they just rented a is a normal idea, and... instead, theyjust rented a room. instead of being held in the embassy, it was held in the hotel, extra cost of parliament, could you believe it? more importantly, lost some of the in fact. anyway... the point is to look at that. your point has been
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heard and understood. may i explained that my point is not as releva nt to explained that my point is not as relevant to this committee as it is too many others. i do not want to deter honourable members representing the people here assembled in parliament, as you rightly described, from being able to hold their deliberations in anywhere else where the uk has a recommendation, where that is reasonable, or we will certainly look at it, but i don‘t want to make a blanket commitment to... you know, all sorts of sessions and all sorts of panels taking pace around the world, but i do foresee difficulties. i think that was a no, and think we will have to come back to it. you referred in an earlier answer, what discussions are you
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having with the british council about how to help them with staff, many of whom are locally engaged staff, and there are the people who will have to leave with their families from russia, because of this decision. have you had any discussions with them about this? 0bviously, discussions with them about this? obviously, we have had extensive discussions in the foreign office, about how we are going to handle their needs. i think it is a desperate shame that so many british council staff are going to have to come back. looks, as the committee may know, following what has been said, there is still some ambiguity about exactly what rights the british council may still have in moscow, so we are keen to explore those avenues. we will do everything
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we possibly can to look at this... may i take the opportunityjust to thank them for the outstanding work. they have done a fantasticjob. shakespeare all over the subway in moscow, they have done fantastic things with concerts, with young people, really showing the best of this country, two russians, and that is why i think one of the most strong negative reactions to what russia did, by some people who value the british —— were from people who value british council and culture. there was a big ceremony anthony russians were very happy to have that. so that is another example. you also said in answer to your previous question about the continuing uk contributions, not
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least in the european union, and we will continue to do so. i welcome that very much, that he will continue to work with the european union. we well. on those valued based issues. yes, we well. you will know, because you have studied the detail of the prime minister‘s mansion house speech, we will do it in concert sampans with our european friends and partners, we may do think sometimes differently, we might have tighter sanctions. we may ta ke might have tighter sanctions. we may take other initiatives. let‘s just clarify one thing, the british council representative has not been expelled, so there is still a question at the moment about how the british council may or may not operate. are you going to be very quick, chris? i've got a couple of
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other questions to ask, just to build on what has been said. when this committee actually went to moscow, can i commend your ambassador and the staff in moscow who were very good to us, and i know that they have got a very tough gig at the moment. i was also impressed with the work on the british council, they are seeing their budget reduced significantly in 2019-2020. do budget reduced significantly in 2019—2020. do you still think that was the right decision to take? there is a negotiation and a discussion under way about funding for the british council. right, ok. but you think something in the light of what has happened recently, do think it is something that is worthwhile revealing. — — think it is something that is worthwhile revealing. —— reviewing. iama worthwhile revealing. —— reviewing. i am a massive fan of the british council. not want to take that as a yes or a no. i will take a casino.”
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can assure you they will be getting more money. good. in terms of the finances, can you set out some details about where actually you think they will be taking in the shuttle —— additional measures... you‘re talking at the associates of bad mere —— vladimir putin. i think there are powers under the criminal act of april last year to make an expense wealth orders, against people who are law enforcement agencies —— our law enforcement agencies —— our law enforcement agencies have determined that they have corru ptly agencies have determined that they have corruptly attained their wealth. we have a national crime agency working very hard on various lists of names as you can imagine,
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that persons of interest to them, and that it should stretch that this is interest to them. we have got to be clear about how this country works. this is not a country where we in the government can take, we think so and so deserves to have her collar felt. that is not how it works here. the masters guide —— must decide on the basis of the evidence whether to prosecute. they are also involved and that work is certainly... it is one of the areas in which the work is intensifying across the board. it is something that we are doing to to gather with our american and french colleagues, we are working together on this issue. i cannot now named individuals that are in the cross hairs of the law enforcement agency,
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because that would be legally very unwise. if we are to have any chance whatsoever of successful prosecutions of these individuals, it would be totally wrong to prejudice it by identifying some sort of political director for mandate. i know that you will be aware of, and certainly aware of... so, borisjohnson so, boris johnson answering questions. the timing of the attempted murder of sergei skripal and his daughter yulia. it was linked to the russian election. this is what he thinks. he will be talking for a while longer, and
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we‘ll keep an eye on this, but we think we have had the majority what he has said about the salisbury attack. the amount of plastic in the ocean could treble within a decade, unless action is taken to tackle the problem, a major report has warned. the foresight future of the sea report for the uk government says plastics is just one issue facing the world‘s seas, along with rising sea levels and warming oceans. it also says much more knowledge is needed about the ocean. joining me now from our southampton studio is professor ed hill, the executive director of the uk national 0ceanography centre and one of the authors of the sea report. as he wrote it, you must have realised that this is very worrying reading to everybody? it is a wide—ranging report that draws attention to the important of the season of britain in particular. we are in my tiny chin and we have got global interests. the ocean is hugely important to us. —— we are a maritime nation. science and technology committee to making
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progress in terms of going forward, to look after the ocean which is under multiple stressors, but at the same time offers huge economic opportunities. the global ocean economy is predicted to grow from 1.5to $3 economy is predicted to grow from 1.5 to $3 trillion by 2030 according to the oecd. and here we know more about the surface of mars the about the surface of our oceans will stop we do indeed. there are many basic gaps in our knowledge. 0ne we do indeed. there are many basic gaps in our knowledge. one is that we do not have a copper heads of high—resolution map of the sea floor, and that is a major challenge, to put that right. —— comprehensive high—resolution map. probably about 90% of the 2 million or so species that are estimated to exist in the ocean remain to be discovered. there is a not to do. the last year has very much but plastic in the ocean on the map as a major issue. blue planet and other
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programmes highlighting what is going on, and you say that if we go on as we do, it would double the amount of plastic in ten years. there is a degree of uncertainty around that number. it depends on our whole raft of things, but it is clear that plastics pollution in the ocean is an issue, and british scientists have predicted role in drawing up to public attention, but it is matt and —— it is one of many issues, and it is very visible, and people can appreciate what is happening. but in many cases, what is happening in the oceans is unseen and invisible, and that is the real challenge going forward. and invisible, and that is the real challenge going forwardm and invisible, and that is the real challenge going forward. it is down to the scientists who work on this, but is the answer to the problem is idida but is the answer to the problem is i did a one as mac science is crucial to sustainably manage the
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ocean. that how we can conduct operations, economic activity and easy with —— in the sea with and coexist in the natural environment. we are developing technologies which will open up and enable us to operate more sustainably. autonomous vehicles, move towards autonomous chips, for example. clean ships, so there are a lot of opportunities, here. it is funny. iam there are a lot of opportunities, here. it is funny. i am reading the report on the surface, these two are very pessimistic view. you sound very pessimistic view. you sound very optimistic about the future?” am optimistic, because the report is really tried to look at everything in context. we know that there are immense pressures, and huge stresses that are being put on the ocean. but, at the same time, we know that the ocean is a huge resource that we need to turn to. by 2020 bill 9
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million people living on earth. where will we find food, energy and medicines to supply those economies. we will turn to the oceans, so we need to do it in a sustainable way. really just ramping up need to do it in a sustainable way. reallyjust ramping up our level of understanding of what is happening in ocean is absolutely vital to doing that. and if we can do that, if we can operate intelligently unsustainably, there is no reason why we can‘t work in a sustainable way in the ocean. thank you so much for joining way in the ocean. thank you so much forjoining us, this afternoon. the man who... his first broadcast interview, dog tags and kogan, input injuries university‘s psychology department, accused both facebook
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and cambridge analytica for scapegoating him. irma i am stunned by this. the events of the past week have been a triple show sharp —— sheu have been a triple show sharp —— shell shock —— have been a total sheu shell shock —— have been a total shell shock. we thought we were acting perfectly appropriately, and that we were doing something really normal, and we were assured by cambridge analytica that everything was perfectly legal. but you why highly knowledgeable highly skilled person. i using that you totally relied on information that cambridge analytica gave you, and didn‘t ask russians of yourself about this huge amount —— and didn‘t ask questions of yourself about this huge a of data, 30 million prefer that you had gathered? one of the great mystics i did here was i did not ask enough questions. i had never done a
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commercial project. i had no reason to doubt their uncertainty, and that is something i sorely regret now. let‘s speak to a leave supporter thatis let‘s speak to a leave supporter that is concerned that he might have been manipulated. first of all its main why you think that? first of all there is a big difference between having a normal election with political consultants and with forces such as cambridge analytica, who have been able to engage kind of things that we have seen them admitting to engage is in. at the time, cambridge analytica gave contradicting accounts. they add one point said that they were involved with leave eu, only later did com pletely with leave eu, only later did completely deny. 0nly no one knows at this stage, but presumably you wa nt to at this stage, but presumably you want to know more. yes, of course. i
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campaigned for the leave campaign during the referendum in 2016, and think a lot of us in the country at this point realise the impact and the size of brexit, so this means that in a few years‘ time, or me look back on brexit, we want to be able to say that we are sure that it was a legitimate campaign, and it was a legitimate campaign, and it was carried out legitimately, and the will of the british biba has indeed been followed. these are very important questions that lack the will of the british people has indeed been followed. these of important questions. it seems that you as a brexit campaigner at concerned that the message might have been manipulated, but you still wa nt have been manipulated, but you still want in terms of the end result? yes, exactly full stop i think that is the most interesting thing. we wa nt to is the most interesting thing. we want to mitchell that the result is legitimate, and since the referendum, there have been many reasons for myself and other people who voted leave either to change their mind about the referendum, or
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to be concerned about the way was carried out. i think the important but here also is facebook, and then is the recognition that facebook and these kinds of social media applications are no longerjust social media, they are actually the tools of modern life, and the individuals need to have a better negotiating power in terms of how that data is used, especially in terms of elections, which impact our democracy. but everybody at the time recognise the influence that facebook was having, but what we now realises that there was a possibility that there was a background organisation that was actually targeting people individually with some of the data from there? absolutely, anything if it matters but the problem. of course, facebook are going to come out and deny any wrongdoing. but, we‘re out and deny any wrongdoing. but, we‘ re pretty out and deny any wrongdoing. but, we‘re pretty sure at this point that they were aware that their data will from user accounts was being used in this way, in america. and now we have got to be absolutely sure that that has not been the case in the uk, and that that is the reason why
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marx achterberg has been summoned back to congressional committees and back to congressional committees and back to congressional committees and back to select committees in the uk, citing this is very important, and thatis citing this is very important, and that is to be clarified, but until then, there needs to be a charter of fundamental rights, in terms digital lights democrats and individuals on the —— and in terms of digital rights for people and individuals on the internet. thank you so much. in a moment the business news. first a look at the headlines on afternoon live: a healthy increase — more than a million nhs workers in england are offered a pay rise of around 6% over the next three years. changing his profile — the academic at the centre of the row over the use of personal facebook data now describes himself as a scapegoat. here‘s your business headlines on afternoon live: wages grew by 2.6%, excluding bonuses, in the three months to january.
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the unemployment rate fell aswell. earnings growth is almost meeting inflation which is stand at 2.7%. tech stocks continue to fall as investors react to calls for tighter regulation as a us regulator, announces it‘s looking into facebook‘s handling of personal data. the social media giant‘s market value has fallen by more shares in twitter are down more than 10%. it follows allegations that private information of 50 million facebook users were misused by a political consultancy firm. up to 90,000 grandparents and family members are missing out on a perk that could increase their state pension. national insurance credits for those who look after young children can be worth up to £230 a year in retirement. but an insurance firms says 90% of those eligible are failing to make the claim. the rate is bound and wage growth is
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higher. unemployment went up as a figure. an appointment went down as the rate, but the number of people claiming an appointment benefit has gone up. there is a slight disconnect there. it is interesting because if we look at inflation, it showed that prices are rising at 2.796, showed that prices are rising at 2.7%, so if you look at ways growth, thatis 2.7%, so if you look at ways growth, that is a realistic expectation at some point, that we will feel real wage growth. wages are outpacing the rate of increasing prices. what you just mentioned there, about the number of people claiming an appointment benefits, that looks a bit strange if you look at the rate going down. this is lee hopley, and economists, and she will expend why this is. this is the news that a lot
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of households will be hoping for, that we are finally starting to see a bit ofa that we are finally starting to see a bit of a pick—up that we are finally starting to see a bit ofa pick—up in that we are finally starting to see a bit of a pick—up in the pace of wage growth, and as you say, in the coming months, we should expect to see that outpacing the rate of inflation, which has started to drift down. so, it is good news for household, and for policy because that all of this is moving in the direction that we expected. the numberof direction that we expected. the number of people in employment has gone up, but the number of people claiming an appointment benefit has also crept up slightly, partly because we are seeing more people making themselves available for work, so the inactivity rate across the economy has actually fallen to its lowest level in about 40 years, so that is good that more people are making themselves available for employment. staying with all things economy, us interest rates are on people‘s minds today? this man is about to make an important announcement. it is expected that he will raise interest rates, is that almost certain, i
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can‘t say that, but is that the consensus in washington and the us? so, central bankers don't like surprises, is there have been signalling base rate move for some time to investors. we're expecting... that might not sound like a huge number, but it continues the jerome powell's predecessor policy of sony normalising monetary policy of sony normalising monetary policy here as the us economy is that to go. we have seen some ways growth here in the us economy, and efficiencies to be in check, so far. finally and plumbing situation. and it is a chance for him to set his agenda, as well. to stamp his mark on what he is going to be like as a federal reserve chair. right, so if
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you are an economic nerd, that is his moment. this is his first meeting ahead of the central bank where he is jarring meeting ahead of the central bank where he isjarring as open market policy committee meeting, where they decide what they will do with interest rates. 0ne decide what they will do with interest rates. one key question a lot of people here will have for them is what do they think about the white has's trade policy? we have seen some protectionist moves, as aluminium and steel tariffs that we have been talking about for some weeks, now. but we have heard today that the us treasury secretary as saying that they might reconsider dreamy trans pacific partnership, which is the big partnership that donald trump pulled out of last year. thanks for standing outside in the snow for us. like she had a choice. quick look at the markets. with the 100 down. ijust wanted to
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point at kingfisher shares, they are under pressure today, because they reported a fall 10% in profits. there is a rumour on twitter that marks of the berkman might make an appearance in the next indy four hours. you need to sit something, doesn‘t you? now let‘s have a look at the weather. for most of us, it has not been too bad. what we are seeing is increasingly these men whether france in their frantic are approaching our shores, and the have already in scotland and northern ireland got cloud and some rain around too. more than if you drops in some areas, but most of us a dry day, driving, dry night. but as close this coming night, still may be just about a touch of frost in
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the far south—west, but look at these temperatures. five, six, 7 degrees. still look at the weather front behind me, that will be approaching early thursday. first thing tomorrow, a lot brighter weather ahead of these weather front, but then weather forecast belfast and glasgow, and the bulk of the country will have a bright day and it will feel a lot milder. hello, you‘re watching afternoon live.
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today at 3:00pm. a healthy increase — more than a million nhs workers in england are offered a pay rise of around 6% over the next three years. changing his profile — the academic at the centre of the row over the use of personal facebook data now describes himself as a scapegoat. laying the blame at putin‘s front door — answering questions from mps, boris johnson accuses the kremlin of carrying out the salisbury poison attack. the trail of responsibility for such assassinations and assassination attem pts assassinations and assassination attempts does lead inexorably back to the kremlin. coming up on afternoon live all the sport. scotla nd scotland have missed out on a place at next year‘s cricket world cup with rain ending their run chase in their final qualifier with rain ending their run chase in theirfinal qualifier in with rain ending their run chase in their final qualifier in zimbabwe. thanks, and we‘ll bejoining
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you for a full update just after half—past. and we have all the weather. the weather is behaving itself over the next few days, normal weather patterns with sunshine, a few showers. more from me in half an hour. also coming up, we will be talking to the best teacher in the world. she‘s from london and has just won a million—dollar prize. hello everyone — this is afternoon live. more than a million nhs staff in england, including nurses, porters and paramedics, have been offered a pay rise of at least 6% over the next three years. the health secretaryjeremy hunt said the pay rise was recognition that staff have "never worked harder" but labour said it was long overdue. there‘s been a mixed response from the health unions — some pointing out that in real terms the rise
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is still quite small. 0ur political correspondent iain watson reports. for the past seven years, nhs staff have had their pay capped or frozen. health service unions have argued that their members are chronically underpaid and nhs managers have been calling for wage increases to improve recruitment and retention and avoid acute staff shortages. today the health secretary said the government had set aside enough cash to improve pay, without making cuts elsewhere in the nhs. the additionalfunding that the chancellor announced at budget to cover this deal, an estimated £4.2 billion over three years, cements this government‘s commitment to protecting services for nhs patients whilst also recognising the work of nhs staff up and down the country. but labour said the government‘s response to the pay demands of nhs staff was too little, too late. when we've heard stories of nhs staff turning to food banks. when we have 100,000 vacancies across the service, and more nurses leaving
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the profession than entering, when trusts have spent billions on agency staff, then this pay cap should have been scrapped years ago. most nhs staff in england have been offered an average increase of around 6.5% over the next three years. this doesn‘t cover doctors and dentists, whose pay is considered separately. the least well off staff would however get the highest percentage increases, up to 29% over three years. hospital porters and cleaners, on the lowest nhs pay band, could see their salaries rise from around £15,000 per year to more than £18,000 after three years. with a £2000 pay increase in the coming year. since lifting the pay cap for the police and prison officers last autumn, the government has been under huge political pressure to do the same for the more than a million staff in the nhs. but this comes at a price — the health secretary has had to guarantee to the treasury that the system of increments, automatic pay increases,
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will be reformed and in addition that the levels of sickness among staff, rather than patients, will come down. after months of negotiations, some unions signalled strong support for the pay offer. some nhs staff gave it a more more cautious welcome. i personally will do quite well out of this pay offer and those on the lower banding will do quite well. but there are some people who won‘t do as well. people i work with. i want everybody to get a good offer today. i'm happy. it is quite shocking. i'm sure it came too late though. others were more sceptical. the gmb union said that the average 6.5% increase was below the predicted rate of inflation and should be rejected. austerity isn‘t dead or even on life—support but the government recognises that pay in the nhs has to recover to attract and keep staff who do vital work. iain watson, bbc news. don‘t forget — you can let us
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know what you think. tweet us using the hashtag afternoonlive. all the ways to contact us on screen right now. will you be affected by that pay rise? is it enough? well, following that news, figures out this morning suggest the squeeze on household income may be easing with wages growing at a rate just below the rise in prices. official statistics showed that average wages grew by 2.6% in the three months to january. they come a day after figures showing inflation falling back to 2.7%. simon gompertz reports. even if your pay hasn‘t gone up much, especially if you‘re in the public sector, the average is increasing faster. that‘s what‘s happening at this london business, making beauty products for people with sensitive skin, founded by sarah brown, who has been raising her staff‘s wages. one of our biggest pressures is the tightening in the jobs market
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which we are reallu feeling. which we are really feeling. wages are going up, we are a living wage certified company, meaning we have always paid more than the national minimum wage and we think it is fair because it is based on the actual cost of living. over the past two years, price rises, the inflation rate, have outstripped wage increases. effectively, the buying power of our pay has been shrinking but now wages are rising by 2.6% on average and have now almost caught up with prices. and some people are doing even better. throughout the recession we have made sure that we have increased the living wage and the minimum wage and people on the lowest paid jobs have seen a 7% increase above the rate of inflation. there has been a rise in the number out of work, up 24,000, but the percentage of the workforce without a job is down to 4.3%, close to its lowest in years. here, they have taken on 16 people in the last year to help cope with demand, taking the total to 48.
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that is matched over the uk as a whole. the total employed is up sharply. the economy has been quite resilient in the aftermath of the referendum and the labour market is really proof of that. thejob market is holding up. if people start to feel better off, then we should see consumer spending start to firm up across the economy. that was really a bit of a weak point in the uk last year. there have been worrying signs, the collapse of carillion, shops and restaurants laying people off. so far, help has come from other countries doing well and buying our exports and giving an overall boost to jobs and pay. simon gompertz, bbc news. diplomats are keen to tell us we are not seeing the start of a new cold war. but relations between britain and russia are certainly feeling distinctly chilly. after the attempted murder of former russian double—agent sergei skripal and his daughter yulia in salisbury — and the illegal use of a military—grade nerve agent on the streets of the uk — the fallout has been swift.
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yesterday 23 russsian diplomats flew home to moscow. the same number of british diplomats will be making the return journey any day now. so, what further diplomatic response can we expect? well, within the past hour foreign secretary borisjohnson answered questions from the foreign affairs select committee. he told mps that the poisoning of sergei skripal and his daughter was designed by russia to send a message to defectors. we do not wish to engage in a new cold war. and i deprecate that term. i remember the old cold war. and it was a pretty miserable time. i grew up was a pretty miserable time. i grew up genuinely worrying that the world, our country, was going to be evaporated in a thermonuclear strike. i don‘t think we face that kind of existential threat, but it isa kind of existential threat, but it is a threat nonetheless. and we have to be very tough, and we have to be very resolute. to get back to your earlier question about defence
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spending, i think it is absolutely right that we as a country are one of the biggest spenders on defence in nato, and meat that is 2% threshold. you referred in an earlier answer, foreign secretary, to the british council. what discussions are you having the with the british council on how to help? they have staff, many of them locally, engaging staff and other people who will have to leave with their families from russia because of this decision. have you had any discussions with them about this? 0bviously discussions with them about this? obviously we have had extensive discussions, the foreign office has had extensive discussions with the british council about how we will handle their needs. i think it‘s a desperate shame that so many british council staff are going to have to come back. as the committee may know, following what maria zakharov had to say after the russian
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announcement, there is still ambiguity about what exact right to the british council might still have in moscow, so we are keen to bottom left out. but we will do everything we possibly can. we will look after them. and mayi we possibly can. we will look after them. and may i take this opportunityjust to them. and may i take this opportunity just to thank them them. and may i take this opportunityjust to thank them for their outstanding work. they have done a fantasticjob. shakespeare all over the subway in moscow. they have done fantastic things with concerts, with young people, really showing the best of this country to russians. i think that‘s why, one of the strongest negative reactions to what russia did was from people who value the british council and british culture. borisjohnson. an academic who created an app which harvested data from 50 million users says he has been made
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"a scapegoat" for facebook and the consultancy cambridge analytica. dr aleksandr kogan said he had no idea the work he did for cambridge analytica would be used for donald trump‘s election campaign. facebook says dr kogan violated the site‘s policies. theresa may today described the allegations around cambridge analytica is very concerning and said they should be properly investigated. ben ando reports. worldwide it has more than 2 billion users. if you are on facebook and you probably are, it has information about how old you are, who you are related to and how you might vote. if you were one of 270,000 people who took part in a personality test, that app collected data notjust for you, but for your friends, their friends, up to 50 million people for a company called cambridge analytica. have you met mr trump? many times. this is that company‘s boss alexander nix boasting to undercover reporters that they used that data to send millions of targeted messages during the us elections that got donald trump into the white house.
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a claim that facebook strongly denies. the app was created by a cambridge university academic who says he designed it for research, not election rigging. my view is that i am being used as a scapegoat by both facebook and cambridge analytica. honestly, we thought we were acting perfectly appropriately and doing something that was really normal. these are testing times for facebook. it says it‘s outraged at how it‘s been deceived. but cambridge analytica, based here in london, says it‘s done nothing wrong. it has suspended its ceo, alexander nix, and says it has appointed a senior lawyer to carry out an independent investigation. analysts say online political campaigning is here to stay. every uk party is campaigning online, buying ads, profiling the voters they want to reach. they are spending the money they need to reach them. the nice thing, for them, of digital campaigning and these kind of advertising tools, is that they can go back to people
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again and again with the same messages and really reinforce what they‘re trying to get across. but if you don‘t want to join the trend of deleting facebook altogether, how do you keep your data, and indirectly that of your friends, secure? you can turn your cookies off, you can make yourself private, so your data isn‘t given to the platforms themselves. there are a number of steps you can take to actually be forgotten. in the united states, senators are calling for facebook founder mark zuckerberg to appear before congress. they are breathtakingly powerful. they know more about me than me, more about you than you. facebook says that the controversial app would not be allowed now. here‘s, it‘s understood officials are seeking a warrant to enter the offices of cambridge analytica to search through their files and data. ben ando, bbc news. we are awaiting and appearance through video to the commons culture committee to be from operations
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managerfor facebook, committee to be from operations manager for facebook, who says committee to be from operations managerfor facebook, who says he warned facebook its lax approach to data protection risked a major breach such as this. he is due to give evidence very shortly and we will be taken to the house of commons select committee when he gets under way with his evidence. the suspect in a wave of bombings in the texas state capital austin has died after he detonated a device while being chased by police. two people were killed by parcel bombs, after six separate attacks in the city this month. while the suspect hasn‘t been named officially, he‘s believed to be a 23—year—old man called mark anthony conditt. gary 0‘donoghue is in austin, and told us more about conditt. we don‘t know very much about him at the moment. it looks like, from some other information we have had, that he is actually 23 years old rather than 24, for what that is worth. his name is mark anthony conditt, and he seems to have lived in a suburb of austin not far from where i am seems to have lived in a suburb of austin not farfrom where i am here, which is where he detonated that device in the early hours of this
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morning inside his own car, a p pa re ntly morning inside his own car, apparently killing himself in that carand apparently killing himself in that car and the police officer outside. that suburb called pflugerville. we understand the police got a handle on his identity in the last 24 hours or so. 0ne on his identity in the last 24 hours or so. one of the devices he sent through the fedex distribution system hadn‘t exploded, giving police a lot of leads. they also got hold of some cctv evidence that appeared to show a man dropping off one of those devices at a fedex office in austin, which may have led to them. they may also have information, i think, from witnesses, members of the public, which has helped them to track down his car earlier this morning. they did say that they wanted to arrest him rather than kill him. but they we re him rather than kill him. but they were unable to do that, and when they fired a shot at his car, that was the point at which he seems to have detonated this device and
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effectively committed suicide. i‘m sure we will know more soon about the motivation behind this. a quick look through social media at the moment doesn‘t give us any particular clues, apart from the fa ct particular clues, apart from the fact that he graduated five years ago. we are not sure what he has been doing in the meantime since then. there is no immediate mention of military service, for example, which has been speculated about, in terms of his bomb—making skills. that may change as we learn more about him in the coming hours. gary 0‘donoghue with that report. you‘re watching afternoon live, these are our headlines healthy increase, more than a million health workers in england are offered a pay rise of around 6% over the next three years. changing his profile, the academic at the centre of the row over the use of personal facebook data describes himself as a scapegoat. laying the blame at putin‘s front door. answering questions from mps, boris
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johnson accuses the kremlin of carrying gap the salisbury poison attack. we can go straight to the culture committee and chairman damian collins is open proceedings. he is doing so through video link from san francisco. if for any reason there isa francisco. if for any reason there is a technical glitch in the transmission, we will call a brief pause in proceedings whilst that is corrected. but hopefully that will not be necessary. if i could start the questions, and just ask for the benefit of the record in the committee, if you could give us a brief description of your role at facebook and how long you were working there. i worked at facebook in 2011 and 2012 for a total of 16 months. i was an operations manager.
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the responsibilities i had were over compliance for facebook apps and data protection. protecting internet users who used to facebook applications. those were my primary responsibilities. there has been considerable interest in the last few days in particular, but it was also of interest to the committee when we took evidence from facebook at our hearing in washington last month, over the safeguards in place that protect facebook users‘ data. perhaps you could explain a little bit about the way those safeguards worked when you were at facebook. perhaps i can start by giving a brief description of how facebook platform, the apps use, work. when
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you connect to an app, that app is connected to facebook. there are a numberof connected to facebook. there are a number of categories games, surveys, various other types. facebook asks the user for permission for the developer to take certain kinds of information from your facebook account. when you agree, facebook passes that data from facebook servers to the app developer. so you might give the developer access to your name, a list of things you have liked, and access to your photos, for example. the important thing to note here is, once the data passed from facebook servers to the developer, facebook lost insight into what was being done with that data and lost control over that data. so to prevent abuse of the data. so to prevent abuse of the
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data once the developers had it, facebook set up platform policies, rules essentially, for certain kinds of activity. for example, selling data, or passing data to and advert network or a data broker. however, facebook had very few ways of discovering the use wants the data had been taken. for enforcing that abuse once it was discovered. a report was received by facebook... facebook could do one of four things. it could call up the developer and demand to know what they would do with the data. it could demand, audit, the developer application, the data storage. it
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could... inaudible delete the app... facebook platforms, using other facebook products like advertising. and it could go to the developer and pursue... those are the only four things facebook could do when it determined there had been a breach of those policies. in terms of the frequency of the use of those four means, ican frequency of the use of those four means, i can tell you that in my experience, during my 16 months in this role at facebook, i don't remembera single this role at facebook, i don't remember a single physical audit of a developer's storage. i don't remember that happening once. there we re remember that happening once. there were only a handful of lawsuits and
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bans. they were both quite rare. mostly what i did was call developers and threaten to do the other things, or otherthings, or imply, basically say that they needed to follow the policies. inaudible the other thing to know is that facebook had relatively little detection of policy violations. most of the reports that facebook got about policy... were either from the press or other developers who were competitors of a particular company, and they would call or talk to somebody at facebook and say, i think this person is doing xyz. what do you think facebook could have done at that time to track what was happening to user data that had been given to developers?”
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happening to user data that had been given to developers? i think one of the key things to understand is that we do not have access to the developers' data storage, which you wouldn't have unless you sue them, or they grant it to you. then you can't really see what data they have. because what is exposed to the public view is not that data. to give an example, if you think about... inaudible here allegedly data passed to cambridge analytica, which used to facebook data and other data, to create user profiles, which included things like estimates on how people would vote on particular issues. those voter profiles did not include
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the source data. they were informed by the source data but did not include the source data. by the time you get to the next step, you can't easily tell where the data had come from. it gets even more difficult because those inaudible are not what is exposed to the public, those profiles were then allegedly used to purchase in facebook other advertising, so you have advertising that is also not visible to the public. so there are many steps between the receipt of data and what you can actually see without some legal admin to get into the source files. it's very hard, basically. the real challenge here is that facebook was allowing developers access to the data of
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people who exclusively authorised that, friend permission. once the data has gone, once the developer has been granted access to the data, the benefit they get from that is theirs for ever, effectively. there‘s effectively nothing you can practically do to recover the data, and even if you could, the developer will continue to benefit from having had will continue to benefit from having ha d a ccess will continue to benefit from having had access to that data. it is incredibly difficult. and frankly, evenif incredibly difficult. and frankly, even if you do conduct a physical audit, it's very difficult to prove that the developer has not got it hidden on some secret hard drive in their closet or something. you are basically relying on their. did people raise concerns at the time that data was unsafe and it could be
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gathered by developers in this way. i was one those people raising concerns. there was a lot of press at the time suggesting that this was not particularly... people's privacy, and there were real concerns here. it was a real issue. what has changed, and what we now realise is how much damage you can do with large amounts of data. it's a matter of connecting those two dots. how did you raise those concerns within the company? one of the things i did was, i made a map of the various data vulnerabilities, on the facebook platform, which was one of the main ways you could get... 0ne one of the main ways you could get... one of the only ways you could get data on facebook users out of facebook, other than using
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advertising, taking data per se. i made a map of the vulnerabilities and included lists of bad actors and potential bad actors, including foreign state actors, data brokers, andl foreign state actors, data brokers, and i said, these are things facebook is doing, and these are the areas where the company is still exposed. user data is still at risk. i shared that around with the number of people at the time. can you say, some of the people you shared it with, are they still at the company today, are there people that today who will have been well aware of the concerns you raised? some of the executives i shared the presentation with are still there today. are you able to say to? i'm sorry? are you able to say to? i'm sorry? are you able to say to? i'm sorry? are you able to say who? it was a senior executive in charge of facebook
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platform and people in charge of privacy. you can't name who they work? i can talk with you after if thatis work? i can talk with you after if that is significant. would mark zuckerberg have been aware of the concerns that you and others were raising? i don't know that mark zuckerberg would have been aware of specifically what i said, but i think it was well understood, both internally and externally that there we re internally and externally that there were risks with respect to the way facebook platforms were handling data, and there were concerns from the press and from the public. i don't think it was a secret that this was a problem. although probably facebook users were not aware. i think the problem is facebook users might have understood in privacy concerns, but they didn't
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know how much of their data was being sent to developers who they had no relationship with. in the case of the developer aleksandr kogan named, he only got 270,000 people to download the app, but because he had friend permission is, he got data on between 30 and 50 million additional people, i believe, who were friends of those 270,000. the average facebook user has about 200 friends. so 270,000 times 200 will bring you close to 50 million. the map document you described, is that a document you still have, and something you could share with the committee? no, i don't have it. in terms of the warnings given, was there a written document, a presentation shown to
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people, or was it just document, a presentation shown to people, or was itjust something people, or was itjust something people discussed? it was a power point presentation. thank you. the you said you were involved in if you questions hill cases of action being taken against developers of breaches in terms of data. in those insta nces, breaches in terms of data. in those instances, where facebook users are notified that their data had been in approach perfectly beamed a footed by developer? there was no policy of informing facebook users that their data had been breached in some way? not to my knowledge. just finally, before bringing in other members of the committee, you just touched on earlier on, the friends permission, and one of the things that concerned asked and o kogan‘s things that concerned
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kogan, let alone with others. and was this a continuing flow of data? 0nce was this a continuing flow of data? once he had completed the survey, i do had given permission for your data between the accessed and that of friends, that was notjust data between the accessed and that of friends, that was not just the data are committed at that point, but any future that had —— would accumulate as well? there were different access points, and i don‘t remember all the technical specifics here, so i don‘t want to give a specific answer, you were able to as a developer... thank you. and that makes sense, you can imagine if you remedy facebook apps that were really popular at that time, that
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they would need to see your friends, and see some of your social activity to get into the forms that these things had. i don't know if it is good morning all good afternoon there, but it is good to speak to you. can i ask you, in yourtime there, good to speak to you. can i ask you, in your time there, or to the best of our knowledge, has this book ever been hacked successfully cuts” of our knowledge, has this book ever been hacked successfully cuts i did work on the security team, and so i don‘t think i am —— i don‘t work on security team, sided think i can a nswer security team, sided think i can answer that question. are you aware of any attend it hacking is? 's” answer that question. are you aware of any attend it hacking is? 's i am not aware of systems being compromised. presumably, they have
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very strong security procedures and protocols defences against that kind of attack? is that correct? diane getting that they have very strong security provisions in place to prevent hacking? oh, yes. what i would say is that the security team at facebook is very, very good. they have very, very good engineers working on technical security, however, the concern i have was that they built this platform that allows people to get all of this data. personally identifiable data, and in
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some cases, you could read private messages, and they basically allow that to leave facebook‘s servers intentionally, and then work on a returning it in the appropriate way. that is my concern. you have almost anticipated my next question. privacy and security are not the same thing, but they have got a similar aspect to them. it seems as if you are telling the committee that they‘d take security very seriously, but defending their own servers from external encroachment of attack, but that privacy is not given necessarily the ‘they an that it has the would that be fair? i priority? would that be fair?” think that is fair, yes. if what you are saying is that they take the technical security of their system
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is very security, yet they actually do. but that they don‘t take ensuring that people‘s data is protected overall, including outside their systems, i would agree, they don‘t take that very serious leave. thank you so much. it is very interesting evidence you have given to date, and think it is a very telling point that you made at the end, it effectively the dichotomy between the approach to preventing hacking, for technical breach, and their approach in terms of the data. and the use of that data effectively when it is acquired by a third party, if you like. do you think that this very sort of, lose less —— looseness of personal data, was that almost a unique selling point of facebook? part of their marketing strategy? the way that i would characterise it is the unofficial
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motto of facebook is move fast. growth in the number of people who use the service and growth in that have been very important. lots of people do use the service, or getting developers to go, lots of applications that will get lots of people to use the service. some of these most popular apps, so they had huge,...i these most popular apps, so they had huge,... ican‘t these most popular apps, so they had huge,... i can‘t rather specifically, but some of those apps. specifically, but some of those apps, there was a huge amount of data that was being hauled out of facebook as a result, and it was a
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concern to me, the volume of data that was being pulled out of facebook as a result of that.” think you have answered that question. it seems to be almost like a frontier town in the white guy wild west. that idea of building, knock it down and build again. build it better. bringing this growth, and all focused on that. would that be a fair analogy for the way in which facebook has approached data? that it has a project like that sort of wild west frontier. so, i think it's a bridge to data, the wild west is the appropriate analogy. was it a selling point? iwould the appropriate analogy. was it a selling point? i would describe it more as the ability to access a
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tremendous amount of data was a selling point to developers, and facebook wanted a lot of developers to grow a lot of applications, because they were drawing more people to use facebook more and more. and so, developers would, for free, feature the facebook team they had themselves, and the way that they got developers to... number one, they would give these huge audience of facebook to the developer, and two, they would give that data from facebook to this application... were developers using this data exclusively to target advertising, or were there concerns that some players but —— the answer some players largely spending some of the apps? worthy developers using this data to target advertising? the
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audio is... sorry, i had my hand around my mouth. were they using this day takes lucidly to target advertising? there were a number of policies that dealt with using the data. there were a number of rules that stated... however, that is said, asi that stated... however, that is said, as i said earlier, there is very little in dortmund, and it is very little in dortmund, and it is very difficult to tell, particularly if data is taken and joined other
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data and manipulative in some way, and then used in some other way. it would be very difficult to understand that. so, my impression is that there may be effectively a rule that says that this was not to be used in order basically to target advertising, but what you are saying in reality, is that effectively that was a rule that was never particularly in forced? is that right? i wouldn't say it was never enforced. i don‘t ever during my ten year —— my ten year a specific incident of it being enforced. but there was very little way to
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tell if someone was using it... my final question to you is, what do you think showed in an ideal world, and bearing in mind the fact that this is a business, and that it is trying in order basically to grow and to provide what it needs to be a service that people want in many respects, what do you think they should have done in order to better safeguard data? should have done in order to better safeguard data ? what should have done in order to better safeguard data? what should facebook have done? the first thing that they needed to do, which they finally did in 2014... we will pull away from that. that is the culture committee at the house of commons. hearing from operations manager at facebook in two dozen 11 and 2012, talking that about the warnings he gave about lacking is insecurity that have led to the difficulties that facebook is now facing. if there are
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any development is, i will bring them to you. we will move on. there aren‘t many people who get the honour of saying they are the best in world at their profession. but that‘s exactly what a teacher from north london can claim. andria zafirakou, who teaches art and textiles in a brent secondary school was awarded the ‘global teacher prize‘ in dubai this week. and the bonus — it comes with a 1 million dollar prize! the 2018 global teacher prize winner, andria zafirakou is now with me. hello. welcome, congratulations. i knew got off the pain this morning, and you have been busy since.” have, yes. tell me where you have been? i have been to be -- the house of commons. theresa may congratulate you, as did jeremy corbyn. and then you, as did jeremy corbyn. and then you got to have a chat with her?” did, a private meeting. incredible seeing how business years. then i
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was whisked off to... seeing how business years. then i was whisked off to. .. what did she say to you? she congratulate me, and thanked me for the work that i was doing for our committee. i talked to her about how we help our students and support them in terms of making progress and busy... my passion about the arts and helping our students, and making sure that they have got opportunities to thrive in this particular subjects. also about our problems that we are facing in terms of deprivation, and she was just so incredible. she was listening to, i don‘t think i let her get i/0 work in edgeways. it was quite a wonderful moment, yes. hasn‘t sunk in yet? quite a wonderful moment, yes. hasn't sunk in yet? no. before i even get cu rveball hasn't sunk in yet? no. before i even get curveball without, —— co mforta ble even get curveball without, —— comfortable with that, there are so many in credible teachers out there. fortu nately many in credible teachers out there. fortunately enough, i have been recognised, but this does not go to me. this goes to all of the teachers
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that mike panenka double difference to our students all over the world. —— teachers that really make a difference to students all over the world. he value as arthur and has given us the opportunity on this incredible platform to —— he value is asked and has given us the duty to england... i believe that i have been recognised because of the work that idea in my community, the way that idea in my community, the way that i help students engage with subjects. the way that the work i do outside of the classroom, as well. making sure that children are safe and are having a really good experience at school.” and are having a really good experience at school. i was reading one report that described law school, the area where it is as challenging. we have got over 35 different languages that are spoken at our school. and use the all of those. at least you can greet
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them... the most can do is welcome them... the most can do is welcome them. imagine what you would feel like if you were new to the area, and just say, hello, the connection is there. let's have a look. this is the moment that it was announced. we will to you now. yes. we can guess what the founders. it was a very lot of applause. i did not think i would get it. i had everything packed before, so it will be a quick trip to the airport, but then that happened, so it was incredible! art and textile teacher. a lot of people going, yes! because there is and is session with science and maths and everything. yes. the arts, notjust
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textiles and art, but drama, music and media, they are incredibly powerful subjects. notjust and media, they are incredibly powerful subjects. not just for and media, they are incredibly powerful subjects. notjust for my school, and the work that i do with the children, they transform lives. u nfortu nately, we the children, they transform lives. unfortunately, we are in a situation where schools are having to this gently squeeze them out, because there are pressures, there. i think it israeli important that we look after these arts, and that we ensure that every child experiences them, because they would transform lives. we need to work on this. have you ever failed we need to work on this. have you everfailed a we need to work on this. have you ever failed a pupil? we need to work on this. have you everfailed a pupil? is there we need to work on this. have you ever failed a pupil? is there a we need to work on this. have you everfailed a pupil? is there a boy ora girl that everfailed a pupil? is there a boy or a girl that you think, gosh, i wish i had done something. we are very critical, teachers. there is a lwa ys very critical, teachers. there is always more that we can do. we just learned, don‘t we could back we are
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co nsta ntly learned, don‘t we could back we are constantly developing and affecting. so what to do now? you are the best teacher in the world, how do you use that? i have got this incredible platform, now. i have had an immense response from people over the world, i have met some incredible teachers from all over the world, and the work that they have been doing, now isa work that they have been doing, now is a really exciting opportunity, andi is a really exciting opportunity, and i have got some great stores opening, but might passion is raising the profile of the arts, ensuring that every child is engaging with these subjects, but also, as you know, in terms of issues within the on my own school, i want to make sure that there are no labels and barriers for our students. it is a $1 million prize, that will be paid to you over ten yea rs on that will be paid to you over ten years on the basis that you stay in teaching. have you any thought what you will do with the money?” teaching. have you any thought what you will do with the money? i still
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cannot connect with the fact that thatis cannot connect with the fact that that is there. will it be a ferrari? i need to be think carefully, but i am really excited. my kids are buzzing with some ideas, and i want to hear their views. but i think, it is going back to what i am passionate about, and i can see how it transforms lives, so it is just looking at how we can use that for those particular purposes. many, many congratulations. enjoy the rest of the day. that is andria zafirakou, the of the day. that is andria zafira kou, the best of the day. that is andria zafirakou, the best teacher in the wild. 0ur ireland correspondent, chris page report. it is almost 40 years since the last
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timea it is almost 40 years since the last time a pope went to ireland. on a hillside nearly 300,000... in 1979, john paul ii hillside nearly 300,000... in 1979, john paul i! drew massive clouds on a tour that featured some iconic moments for catholics. young people of ireland, i love you. such a sense of ireland, i love you. such a sense of effect that, and almost as i talk about it now, i can begin to see the helicopter coming overhead, and i suppose, as a large group of young people, to be affirmed by the pope, and moved by this bid for words. father martin mcgill was among the throng 39 years ago, and has been reflecting on what this year‘s events might mean. a lot has happened in 30 years, a sense of maybe having to visit into a past
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which at times we did what to do. but if we are going to get any healing, or express any trees, we have to do that. the church's repetition has been damaged by scandals about child is sex abuse. there have been other changes, the legalisation of same—sex marriage after a referendum. the influence of the catholic church in ireland, north and south has diminished in recent yea rs, north and south has diminished in recent years, but the churchgoing remains more popular than in most other parts of europe. in west belfast, today, parishioners were delighted about the pope‘s plans. apsley fantastic. more people like him, i'm sure it'll be a beatable and better world religion.” him, i'm sure it'll be a beatable and better world religion. i think it is ready great. pope francis will visit dublin 40—20 days. so far, there has been no news on whether he will travel north of the irish border. if he does, it he will be the first ever pope to visit northern ireland. here‘s your business
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headlines on afternoon live: wages grew by 2.6%, excluding bonuses, in the three months to january. the unemployment rate fell aswell. earnings growth is almost meeting inflation which is stand at 2.7%. that‘s according to new figures out from the office for national statistics. it means earnings growth is almost meeting inflation which stands at 2.7%. tech stocks continue to fall as investors react to calls for tighter regulation as a us regulator, announces it‘s looking into facebook‘s handling of personal data. the social media giant‘s market value has fallen by more than £28 billion in the last two days. shares in twitter are down more than 10%. it follows allegations that private information of 50 million facebook users were misused by a political consultancy firm. up to 90,000 grandparents and family members are missing out on a perk that could increase their state pension. national insurance credits for those who look after young children can be worth up to £230 a year in retirement. but an insurance firms says 90% of those eligible are failing to make the claim.
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it‘s called adult specified childcare credit. of of thing here. of thing here. if you are working age. you don‘t get it it away, you get it when you retire. £230 a year might not sound a lot, but it totals up might not sound a lot, but it totals up to roughly 4.5 grand. someone who knows lot about this, is joining me now is lucy peake, chief executive of charity is grandparents plus. thereon many conditions. firstly, you have got to be working age. you have got to be not be working, all working very few hours, and you‘ve got to be caring for a child regularly whose parent is in work and claiming child benefit. those are the main things. we always say it is worth having a conversation
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with somebody about whether you are eligible. it is all about your specific circumstances. is it enough? it doesn‘t sound like a huge amount, if you are eligible, but what kind of resources are available to those who do not come under this category? very few. this is good news for these grandparents who are eligible, but actually, we need to recognise that huge contribution of many, recognise that huge contribution of any recognise that huge contribution of many, many grandparents who are providing vital childcare. we know that millions of working families rely on grandparents day in day out. of course a quarter of working mums say they couldn‘t carry on working without a grandparents providing childcare. it is a significant issue, and one that requires more policy attention. we need to look at how grandparents balance work and caring responsible at ease.“ someone at home was thinking, actually, a few years ago, i would have all but about all last year i
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would have gone right for that, could they still came? unable to backdate this payment? the best thing to do would be to contact the hotline? just to have that conversation with someone who is an expert in this. about your specific circumstances, because it can depend on circumstances, because it can depend o n exa ctly circumstances, because it can depend on exactly what work you are doing at the time, and how many hours you we re at the time, and how many hours you were looking after the child. ok, lucy beag, thank you forjoining us. the ftse100 down at the moment. also, i want to point out to you the dow. they are slightly picking up... facebook, they are picking up, but they are affected, which to put into context is the value of tesla the company, so it is a considerable debt to the market value. more from you later. time for a look at the weather...
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let‘s get a check on the weather for the rest of the day. mr ross, not too bad. quite a chilly start. we are seeing these frauds approaching our shores. in scotland, and northern ireland, we have got cloud. we can see these bots of rain affecting... quite heavy in one or two areas in the western isles, but most of us, it is a dry day, dry evening, dry night. still maybe a touch of frost in the far south—west, but look at these... you can see this whether france, britain a string of early thursday. tomorrow, a lot of bright weather of that front, but then it will go downhill in the north—west. rain forecast for belfast and for glasgow, but the bulk of the country tomorrow and thursday will have a
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bright day, and it will feel it a lot milder. hello, you‘re watching afternoon live. today at 4:00pm. a healthy increase — more than a million nhs workers in england are offered a pay rise of around 6% over the next three years. a former boss at facebook says he warned social media executives its approach to data protection risked a "serious breach". borisjohnson agrees that vladimir putin is using the world cup in russia the same way hitler used the 1936 olympics in berlin. answering questions from mps, the foreign secretary also accused the kremlin of carrying out the salisbury poison attack. the trail of responsibility for such assassinations and assassination attempts does lead inexorably back to the kremlin. coming up on afternoon live, all the sport. scotla nd
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scotland have failed to qualify for next summer‘s cricket world cup in england. the reason, rain. they lost via the duckworth—lewis method, by just five runs to the west indies, who have qualified in their place. they can blame the weather, we all can. why not? in the short term, the weather is looking, no surprises with it, but i don‘t think we are done with winter yet. we will have an outlook for the next ten days or so in around half an hour. we will be talked into somma xhaka in around half an hour. plenty more to come on afternoon light. —— we will the talking to tomasz schafernaker in around half an hour. hello everyone — this is afternoon live. more than a million nhs staff in england, including nurses, porters and paramedics, have been offered a pay rise of at least 6% over the next three years.
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the health secretaryjeremy hunt said the pay rise was recognition that staff have "never worked harder" but labour said it was long overdue. there‘s been a mixed response from the health unions — some pointing out that in real terms the rise is still quite small. 0ur political correspondent iain watson reports. for the past seven years, nhs staff have had their pay capped or frozen. health service unions have argued that their members are chronically underpaid and nhs managers have been calling for wage increases to improve recruitment and retention and avoid acute staff shortages. today the health secretary said the government had set aside enough cash to improve pay, without making cuts elsewhere in the nhs. the additionalfunding that the chancellor announced at budget to cover this deal, an estimated £4.2 billion over three years, cements this government‘s commitment to protecting services for nhs patients whilst also recognising the work of nhs staff up and down the country. but labour said the government‘s response to the pay demands of nhs staff was too little, too late. when we've heard stories of nhs
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staff turning to food banks. when we have 100,000 vacancies across the service, and more nurses leaving the profession than entering, when trusts have spent billions on agency staff, then this pay cap should have been scrapped years ago. most nhs staff in england have been offered an average increase of around 6.5% over the next three years. this doesn‘t cover doctors and dentists, whose pay is considered separately. the least well off staff would however get the highest percentage increases, up to 29% over three years. hospital porters and cleaners, on the lowest nhs pay band, could see their salaries rise from around £15,000 per year to more than £18,000 after three years. with a £2000 pay increase in the coming year. since lifting the pay cap for the police and prison officers last autumn, the government has been under huge political pressure to do the same for the more than a million staff in the nhs.
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but this comes at a price — the health secretary has had to guarantee to the treasury that the system of increments, automatic pay increases, will be reformed and in addition that the levels of sickness among staff, rather than patients, will come down. after months of negotiations, some unions signalled strong support for the pay offer. some nhs staff gave it a more more cautious welcome. i personally will do quite well out of this pay offer and those on the lower banding will do quite well. but there are some people who won‘t do as well. people i work with. i want everybody to get a good offer today. i'm happy. which is quite shocking. i'm sure it came too late though. others were more sceptical. the gmb union said that the average 6.5% increase was below the predicted rate of inflation and should be rejected. austerity isn‘t dead or even on life—support but the government recognises that pay in the nhs has
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to recover to attract and keep staff who do vital work. iain watson, bbc news. 0ur chief political correspondent, vicki young, reports from westminster on how the announcement has gone down with mp5. there‘s been broad support for the news of a pay rise for nhs workers in england worth on average 6.5% over three years. this lunchtime, downing street said it was a generous and important offer. we can discuss this more with conservative member of the health select committee, johnny mercer. it‘s been a long time coming, certainly for some workers, that‘s what they feel, and presumably you do welcome this? yeah, of course. we can always do more when we are looking at the offer for our public sector. but this is a clear and significant step. for some people, their pay will go up 29%. of course, i welcome it. it's something i have been campaigning on for a while.
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it's also a recognition, i think, of the strain the nhs staff have come through during the last four or five years, particularly during this period of austerity. a lot of public sector areas have found it difficult to contain. the question is, more broadly, downing street saying the arbitrary pay cap has gone. there will be now calls from other areas of the public sector for pay rises. do you think the government is willing to be generous there as well? this is it. i would always argue for more pay. 30% of my workers in plymouth are from the public sector and i will always argue for more pay. but it has to be done in a relative way. that balances the books. at the end of the day, we have to pay for these public services. we want world—class public services. pay is a part of that, but it's a balanced approach. that's where i think this government has got it right on this issue today. there's always further we can do. there's always soldiers, always others who deserve pay rises. but it's got to be done in a balanced and fair way
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to everybody, and i think today is a good place to start. is this partly the conservative government trying to neutralise the issue of the nhs, if you like? it has been seen as a vote winner for the party. when it comes to this and social care as well, is the government going in the right direction with reforms? i think it is going in the right direction. i don't think it's an attempt to sort of neutralise it. 0n the other side of the political aisle, they will promise anything that may never be delivered. it's an attempt, i think, to do the right thing, and it's pretty clear we should be paying our nhs, nurses, particularly at the lower end of the pay spectrum, more. that's what jeremy hunt has recognised in this deal. i think the conversation around social care, we had simon stevens in yesterday, and we do need a forward, strategic view of health care. what does it look like in this country? demand is always going to outstrip what we can actually pay for. so how do we start getting around that? how do we look more at prevention, public health, and it's going to need a real strategic shift in focus to get this right. i am pleased the government is having those discussions and conversations at the moment. johnny mercer, thank you very much. the longer term questions there about nhs reform, but particularly looking at social
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care over the next few years, something the government says it is now determined to tackle. joining me now at the studio is helga pile, deputy head of health at unison. first of all come your reaction to the offer. the nhs has staffing crisis of daunting proportions. we can‘t retain staff. new people don‘t wa nt to can‘t retain staff. new people don‘t want to come and work in the nhs, meaning the staff who are left are stretched so far. that is the problem, is this the solution? seven yea rs of pay problem, is this the solution? seven years of pay restraint has made that a lot worse. today we have heard there will be £4.2 billion worth of new money committed to pay rises over a period of three years. and thatis over a period of three years. and that is going to start to turn the tide, we believe, to start to make the nhs are more attractive place to work, so we can keep the staff we need and get new ones we have to attract. in terms of how the money
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is allocated, it is tiered, so the lower pay will benefit most from this. there is a real boost for the lowest paid staff for. for the first time in england in the nhs, they will be paid more than the living wage. that‘s really important because they have suffered financial hardship over the last seven years and employers have found it increasingly difficult to compete for those staff. also what this proposal will do will make starting salary is much better and it will get people to the top of the pay bands quicker, meaning they will feel they have got a decent rate for thejob feel they have got a decent rate for the job they feel they have got a decent rate for thejob they are feel they have got a decent rate for the job they are doing. which will help the retention problem we keep hearing about. it will keep those experienced after we need to keep and stop them going elsewhere. josemi quite a bit but it will be down to your members as to whether they agree. what‘s your sense about how they will go? today is a big day because we have put a complex set of proposals out to staff across the
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service, from porters, nurses and paramedics. we will give them plenty of time to have a good look at the proposals and see what it means for them and they will be able to see exactly how much better off they will beat and they will be able to tell us through the unions whether they accept it. the gmb union suggesting it doesn‘t go far enough and in real terms it is still not enough. we believe it's a start. many people will get increases up to 25, 20 9%, many people will get increases up to 25,20 9%, depending on where many people will get increases up to 25, 20 9%, depending on where they are now. it gives them certainty over three years as to what their pay will be. we believe it‘s a significant breakthrough from where we have been for seven years, which has been praised freezes or a 1% pay cap. i don't think! have has been praised freezes or a 1% pay cap. i don't think i have ever had a unison health representative in here with a smile on their face. it's a cautious smile. we know it‘s not a silver bullet, and it will not correct all the problems in the nhs, which is severely underfunded. more money needs to be put into services, but starting by showing staff they
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are valued, and by showing them that they can expect some improvement to their pay, it means that at least we can try and turn the tide on what‘s been a very difficult period for staff. how does it reflect on jeremy hunt, do you think? i think the new money was critical because the services, if there had been no money to fund this, we would have had to pay for it in jobs or terms and conditions. it is long overdue. we have been saying for many years that people are leaving the service because of pay. at long last, that has been heard. we need to build on this and keep the nhs pay structure competitive in the future. very good of you to come in. thank you for coming in. following that news about nhs pay in england, figures out this morning suggest the squeeze on household income may be easing with wages growing at a rate just below the rise in prices. official statistics showed that average wages grew by 2.6% in the three months to january. they come a day after figures showing inflation falling back to 2.7%.
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some breaking news from new look on thejobs front, some breaking news from new look on the jobs front, creditors are saying they will shut 60 stores, resulting in the loss of up to 980 jobs. we will have more on that in the business news. diplomats are keen to tell us we are not seeing the start of a new cold war. but relations between britain and russia are certainly feeling distinctly chilly. after the attempted murder of former russian double—agent sergei skripal and his daughter yulia in salisbury — and the illegal use of a military—grade nerve agent on the streets of the uk — the fallout has been swift. yesterday, 23 russsian diplomats flew home to moscow. the same number of british diplomats will be making the return journey any day now. so, what further diplomatic response can we expect? well, this afternoon the foreign secretary, boris johnson, told mps on the foreign affairs committee that the poisoning of mr skripal and his daughter, was designed by russia to send a message
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to defectors. he discussed concerns about the football world cup in russia. they got the right to stage world cup through corruption. putin will use it the way hitler used the 1936 0lympics. use it the way hitler used the 1936 olympics. the idea of putin handing of the world cup to the captain of a winning team... the idea of putin using this as a pr exercise to promote a corrupt regime he is responsible for fills promote a corrupt regime he is responsible forfills me promote a corrupt regime he is responsible for fills me with horror. i think we need to look carefully at the participation of the england team. when you say looking carefully, what do you mean by that? i, frankly, do not think england should be participating in the world cup. i don‘t think we should be. i don‘t think we should be supporting putin using this as a pr exercise to gloss over the gross human rights abuses his regime is responsible for. i also think it‘s
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not safe for england fans to travel to russia. particularly when some of our diplomats have just been booted out. how on earth can we think that proper consular services will be provided to england fans who could be attacked, as they were attacked by russian thugs during the european championships a couple of years ago. violence that was supported and encouraged by members of the russian parliament. i release think we‘ve got to wake up to this and take a much more serious... take it much more seriously. let me say first of all, i think you are characterising what will happen in moscow, at the world cup, all the venues, yes, what will happen in moscow, at the world cup, allthe venues, yes, in comparison with 1936, it is certainly right. and it is a
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undecided prospect is think of putin glorying in this sporting event. 0ur diplomatic correspondent james landale is here. . .. historically, taking any comparison historically with hitler take things into a different league.” historically with hitler take things into a different league. i think the foreign secretary seemed perfectly happy to draw parallels between adolf hitler and vladimir putin. to reflect on what we just heard him say, in effect, that it was a sickening prospect, and emetic prospect was what he said, to think of putin glorying in this event. he followed the lead from the labour mp who asked if there comparison with the 1936 olympics exploited by hitlerfor the 1936 olympics exploited by hitler for nazi propaganda the 1936 olympics exploited by hitlerfor nazi propaganda is valid, and he said, it‘s certainly right, that comparison. no question boris johnson is mounting a new form of assault on vladimir putin and going for the world cup. going for the
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world cup means what? does it mean the team‘s presence there, or the fans‘ presence? the team‘s presence there, or the fans' presence? this is interesting. the government has said it will not put pressure on the england team to stay away. that there will be no official representation, no ministers or members of the royal family travelling to moscow. he was asked about fans and what they should do. what was really interesting, he said that russian needed to give guarantees of the safety of england fans, fans supporting england from britain, you might be going to russia. that was pa rt might be going to russia. that was part of the fifa contract the russians had signed and he wanted assurances about their safety. what is also interesting, he said, while watching it very closely, at the moment we are not inclined actively to discourage people from going because we are waiting for a russian response. at the moment we are not inclined actively to discourage people. i think some people will be discouraged by that. whilst he was
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talking, in moscow at the foreign ministry, ambassadors, not including the british ambassador who was not present, but there was a british presence there. what do you sense in terms of where we are diplomatically between britain and russia as an hour ago and all this? this was a very angry session where the russian foreign ministry had invited representatives most of the embassies in moscow to send someone to discuss the row between moscow and london. and a lot of embassies didn‘t send their ambassadors. they we re didn‘t send their ambassadors. they were making something of a point. britain certainly didn‘t. but emma nottingham, who prepared a statement, and read it out, outlining the government position, there was a sneering response from there was a sneering response from the russians to all of that. what was really interesting was that the french, and americans, spoke very strongly in support of the united kingdom, and the russians kind of dismissed them, and said, that‘s what you would expect. at one point
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they suggested to the french and americans, that‘s what britain has told you to say. a very angry session and gives you an idea how polarised, not just session and gives you an idea how polarised, notjust relations between moscow and london are, but more broadly relations between russia and and her allies. the headlines this afternoon... a healthy increase — more than a million nhs workers in england are offered a pay rise of around 6% over the next three years a former boss at facebook says he warned social media executives its approach to data protection risked a "serious breach" borisjohnson agrees vladimir putin is using the world cup in russia the same way hitler used the 1936 olympics in berlin in sport, scotland failed to qualify for next year‘s cricket world cup. rain curtailed their run chase against the west indies in zimbabwe, just five runs short from the required run rate. jockey ruby walsh
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world miss next month‘s grand national after aggravating a leg fracture he suffered in a full ah chong, ending his hopes of a third win in the famous race. the world matchplay is under way in texas. us 0pen champion justin thomas matchplay is under way in texas. us 0pen championjustin thomas is one of those to take an early lead on the course with rory mcilroy to come later. more on those stories later. an academic who created an app which harvested data from 50 million users says he has been made "a scapegoat" for facebook and the consultancy cambridge analytica. dr aleksandr kogan said he had no idea the work he did for cambridge analytica would be used for donald trump‘s election campaign. facebook says dr kogan violated the site‘s policies. theresa may today described the allegations around cambridge analytica as ‘very concerning‘ and said they should be properly investigated. in the past hour — a former facebook employee has told mps the company knew about the risks of data policy violations but had "little detection" and no policy of informing users.
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ben ando reports. worldwide it has more than 2 billion users. if you are on facebook, and you probably are, it has information about how old you are, who you are related to and how you might vote. if you were one of 270,000 people who took part in a personality test, that app collected data notjust for you, but for your friends, their friends, up to 50 million people for a company called cambridge analytica. have you met mr trump? many times. this is that company‘s boss, alexander nix, boasting to undercover reporters that they used that data to send millions of targeted messages during the us elections that got donald trump into the white house. a claim that facebook strongly denies. the app was created by a cambridge university academic who says he designed it for research, not election rigging. my view is that i am being used as a scapegoat by both facebook and cambridge analytica. honestly, we thought we were acting
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perfectly appropriately and doing something that was really normal. these are testing times for facebook. it says it‘s outraged at how it‘s been deceived. but cambridge analytica, based here in london, says it‘s done nothing wrong. it has suspended its ceo, alexander nix, and says it has appointed a senior lawyer to carry out an independent investigation. analysts say online political campaigning is here to stay. every uk party is campaigning online, buying ads, profiling the voters they want to reach. they are spending the money they need to reach them. the nice thing, for them, of digital campaigning and these kind of advertising tools, is that they can go back to people again and again with the same messages and really reinforce what they‘re trying to get across. but if you don‘t want to join the trend of deleting facebook altogether, how do you keep your data, and indirectly that of your friends, secure? you can turn your cookies off, you can make yourself private, so your data isn‘t given to the platforms themselves. there are a number of steps you can
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take to actually be forgotten. in the united states, senators are calling for facebook founder mark zuckerberg to appear before congress. they are breathtakingly powerful. they know more about me than me, more about you than you. facebook says that the controversial app would not be allowed now. here, it‘s understood officials are seeking a warrant to enter the offices of cambridge analytica to search through their files and data. ben ando, bbc news. could cambridge analytica have swung the us election? this morning, dr aleksandr kogan, the cambridge academic who collected the data used by cambridge analytica told the bbc that his models were "six times more likely to get everything wrong about a person as we were to get everything right" and could "only have hurt the campaign". here to discuss this claim is the bbc‘s head of statistics, robert cuffe. are the models as bad as he is
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suggesting? quite possibly, they are definitely not perfect. for example, netflix is still recommending terrible, terrible movies to me quite frequently. 0ne terrible, terrible movies to me quite frequently. one of the reasons for that is they don‘t have the perfect date that they would like to have. and also because it‘s really ha rd to have. and also because it‘s really hard to do this. think about recommending movies. that‘s just hard to do this. think about recommending movies. that‘sjust one step, but trying to determine voter behaviour is harder because it‘s not just, would you like to watch gladiator? it is, are you a slightly relu cta nt gladiator? it is, are you a slightly reluctant hillary clinton voter who voted for 0bama last time but disagreed with her on the iraq war? you can see how difficult that will be. so why bother spending the money, for facebook, google or any of these? just because it's difficult and not perfect, doesn‘t mean it‘s not better than the alternative. that is key, it can be better than the alternative. to look at how you normally place an advert
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on facebook and what is available to you. for example, if! on facebook and what is available to you. for example, if i decided to set upa you. for example, if i decided to set up a technician shop and advertise it. i want to identify an audience to whom i will advertise. i will advertise to people in wimbledon, so facebook will allow me to target my habit at people in wimbledon and merton. i think that stu d e nts wimbledon and merton. i think that students have a lot of cash to spend. i will target 18—22. students have a lot of cash to spend. iwill target 18—22. i can target demographic and location. i‘m not particularly fussed about going to men or women only so we will skip that. that doesn‘t tell you who will buy a tennis racket. let‘s add in some likes. this is how facebook allows you to target advertising, let‘s see people who like roger federer or have an interest in him? that‘s not all you need to know. that‘s not all you need to know. that‘s the basics of what you could do. targeting is better than no targeting. even basic stuff is quite useful. it‘s an improvement. but you wa nt to
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useful. it‘s an improvement. but you want to go further. you want to say, who is likely to buy, notjust who will want to see photos of roger federer. and what kind of advert will appeal to extroverted people against introverted or conscientious people? that‘s the kind of research doctor aleksandr kogan was doing, lining up people‘s likes with their personality traits. you can target your adverts a bit more carefully on facebook and it will be better. it‘s not perfect, but it is better. more harm than good is what some are saying. that's what he said this morning. i think that‘s maybe a little bit difficult. it‘s true enough to say that he could be six more times likely to get it wrong than right, but if the alternative is seven or eight times more likely, then that‘s good. to say more harm than good, well, if you have an advert that doesn‘t appeal to you, you just ignore it. as long as your adverts don‘t wind people up, or make them angry and raring to come out and vote for hillary clinton,
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then just targeting adverts a little bit better will improve your luck a lot. a saying in advertising, 50% in all advertising spend is wasted, but we don‘t know which half. if you can make that 48% wasted, then that‘s the kind of benefit you get. it is only a marginal difference, not the revolution some of the folks at cambridge analytica were talking about, but in a marginal election, you never know. fascinating, the first time i understand myself some of that. even i‘m getting it! we are hearing from northamptonshire county council the news that the interim chief executive there, councillor damon lawrenson will be leaving the authority after covering the role for the previous five months. he took over the role in november of 2017 on a short—term interim basis following the revers. —— following the previous. as the
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council transitions into a new era, this is the right time to conclude the interim role next week. a report last week recommending northamptonshire county council should be shut down and two other organisations take over. the council in some chaos and the news that the interim chief executive is now leaving the authority. we will have more on that later. the archbishop of canterbury has said the church of england needs new powers to protect children from abuse. giving evidence at the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse, the most reverend justin welby said the church‘s powers around safeguarding probably needed looking at again. let‘s cross live now to our correspondent keith doyle who is at the inquiry. the archbishop of canterbury, the most reverend justin welby am told the enquiry, just to address him as archbishopjustin. he struck about safeguarding measures in the
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i7——;i safe-cuardin e at least you shouldn‘t be able to or at least you shouldn't be able to be. and the church does wonderful,
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wonderful things, you know, across the country. extraordinary things. and the most stressfuljob in the church is to be a parish priest. and to bea church is to be a parish priest. and to be a good parish priest. and that a minority, a small minority, have betrayed that... is horrifying. you can see the emotion in that evidence. he was also asked about the church‘s view on forgiveness. he says an abuser may repent, but they should still go to prison. 0verall in his evidence he said the church is open to change and is already changing, but he said more needs to
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be done at every level. keith, thank you very much, keith doyle bear. let‘s have a look at the weather with tomasz schafernaker. we were talking yesterday about what easter is looking like. it‘s looking cold, i think, having is looking like. it‘s looking cold, ithink, having read is looking like. it‘s looking cold, i think, having read that. i‘ve had it up to about here with the snow. i think a lot of people will probably like some nice, warm spring sunshine. we looked at the weather models this morning and in the weather centre we couldn‘t quite believe it. but overnight, since yesterday, there has been an indication that indeed, our ideas about it getting colder might be more reinforced, so it looks like the cold could be returning. the beast is coming back?” the cold could be returning. the beast is coming back? i will touch on that in a second. there is no surprises with the
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weather. you have seen the jet stream, you probably bored of it by now. this is what will happen over the next few days, a tropicaljet stream. looping over the next few days, what might happen in the next ten days or so, is it will get stuck a little bit, and will be in this dip, here. i want to show you what that means in terms of eseeee :e:.:—— — ’ " be uk, g that is another scenario that could happen. it isa
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another scenario that could happen. it is a very cold across scandinavia. irma that sounds familiar. exactly. if this were to happen, something like this, it could be a sort of beast from the east pa rt could be a sort of beast from the east part three. interestingly, we have highlighted these world here, thatis have highlighted these world here, that is an indication that there might be low—pressure ‘s and cloud and big snowclad stuck in this, and that means some snowfall, but the important thing is that the sun is getting strong, and any snowfall might melt away fast. tomorrow, we could have a conversation about this again, and the computer models could have flipped. tenders ahead, you could probably say it is probably not good to i coming? erah—ak e'eeeeee’ forh e'eeeeee’ for q the that is efij more likely $—
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you notice is white, some sleet and maybe hill showers, there. in one or two areas. in many bright areas it will not feel too bright bad. —— it will not feel too bright bad. —— it will not feel too bright bad. —— it will not feel too bad. so, saturday, in the sunshine feeling fine. it is not going to be gently all the way through the weekend, certainly some showers around, and a bit of a breeze, but just to showers around, and a bit of a breeze, butjust to emphasise again as we had two wards the end of next week, and easter, it looks like things are potentially going to be turning cold again. this is bbc news — our latest headlines: more than a million nhs workers in england are offered a pay rise of around 6% over the next three years. a former executive at facebook says he warned social media bosses their approach to data protection risked a "serious breach" — and claims he's being used as a scapegoat.
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borisjohnson agrees vladimir putin is using the world cup in russia the same way hitler used the 1936 olympics in berlin — answering mps questions, the foreign secretary also accused the kremlin of carrying out the salisbury poison attack. sport now on afternoon live with hugh ferris. the irony, scottish cricket thwarted by rain. they were playing the west indies in harare. part of a qualifying tournament that takes place next summer. the winner today of the match between scotland and west indies qualifies for that tournament, and they managed to, restrict the windies to just 198 all out. particularly impressive effort with the ball. and then the run chase, 135—5. just over 35 overs, but then came the rain. just as the
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moment when scotland were only five runs. behind. prior to moment when scotland were only five runs. behind. priorto that, a batsman had been given out for lbw. had he not been, scotland would have been ahead of them, and would have w011. been ahead of them, and would have won. but because of the weather, they could not come back onto the field. unfortunately, they have not qualified, and the windies are celebrating, because as a result of winning the match, they are through. that is a bitter blow for scotland. that is a bitter blow for scotland. that day with scotland. we might be hearing the name ben stokes again? yes, it is the first test series with that in that house in the ashes. the big difference is that ben stokes is back. he has not played test cricket for six months now, following an incident outside bristol nightclub out back in september. england were beaten 4—0 in the ashes. they have got some
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amends to be making. they failed to win any of their last seven tests away from home, so the captain says it is time to prove themselves again in cricket. it is great to be back in the white, if you like. it has been busy, coming out', it was a tough series for us, and they really good opportunity to bounce back, i'iow. good opportunity to bounce back, now. show that character that i am always talking about, and what i believe is a big strength of hours. against a good test nation in current conditions. the importance of winning away from home now is paramount in test cricket. it seems to get harder every year. a really good challenge for us, and hopefully we can do something special here in new zealand. as he had been hearing, the foreign secretary borisjohnson has compared russia are hosting the world cup to nazi germany hosting the olympic in 1936. he was asked whether that amir putin would use this tournament any same way that
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hitler did this tournament any same way that hitlerdid in this tournament any same way that hitler did in munich, and he agreed saying that i think it is a prospect to think of vladimir putin glorying in this event. a geek goalkeeper —— a goalkeeper has been called up to the england squad for the first time. i would take advice from the sfa close to the time. we will seek that advice, probably heeded. obviously, you want family and friends to be there, but safety has a lwa ys friends to be there, but safety has always got to come first, obviously. ruby walsh has been ruled out of the grand nationalfollowing ruby walsh has been ruled out of the grand national following a ruby walsh has been ruled out of the grand nationalfollowing a nasty fall at last week's cheltenham festival. he aggravated the injury, and he target a return at a different festival late next month. eddiejones retains their full support for the first time in his... steve brown says that whilst
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england's performances were disappointing, eddie jones remains the right candidate. the key is to be rational and calm, and you look at the facts and the data, and understand what they tell us. if we need to make any changes, then use that to inform that changes, but at the moment, there is no kneejerk reaction to this, adding that is really cute. because that track record was significant, and we had a bit of a bump, but we want to make sure that we don't throw everything out to get us back on track. that is all of your sport for now, more in the next hour. now on afternoon live — let's go nationwide — and see what's happening around the country — in our daily visit to the bbc newsrooms around the uk. in a moment i'll be talking to phil bodmer in leeds about the rise of women using donor eggs for ivf. and asad ahmad is in london where a trial of driverless pods have been operating a shuttle
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service to members of the public. first, filled. why this rise? well, 999 first, filled. why this rise? well, egg donation is when a woman goes through part of the ivf process in order to have some of her eggs collected which she can end in it to someone collected which she can end in it to someone else. ivf is a type of fertility treatment where fertilisation takes big outside of the body. in many cases, women donate to somebody they know, such asa donate to somebody they know, such as a family member who may be unable to use her own eggs. others donate for the pleasure of being able to help someone they don't know have a much wanted baby. there are many reasons why a much wanted baby. there are many reasons why a woman much wanted baby. there are many reasons why a woman might not be able to use her own x, including for insta nt able to use her own x, including for instant issue has had cancer treatment, gone through the menopause, or perhaps her children are at risk of inheriting a serious genetic disease. amanda mitchison from doncaster started trying for a
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baby at the age of 38, but she struggled to conceive and was told that you had no egg reserves. she eventually used an egg donor from the uk, and now has a format your old son. he is called max. had him when i was 44. it was a really late start. not for want of trying, because we tried for about five years. when you find out you can't, it is devastating. for some body to be able to give that gift to another woman, it is the greatest gift that any woman can give to another.m really is a life changer, isn't it? and there has been this in the number of donations. or do they believe is the behind that? the likelihood of getting present after the age of a0 actually is just 10%. that that shows you how difficult it is. it follows therefore that older women have less eggs, and those that they have left have a much higher chance of being normal. the success of mothers using donor eggs is
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linked directed to the age of the woman donating eggs, and those in a usually in their 20s. cathy nickerson from yorkers has emitted her eggs five times, donating every yearfor her eggs five times, donating every year for five years and she was 27. she has helped a family where the woman had undergone cancer treatment, a same—sex couple and with fertility treatment. people who receive eggs are amazed, because they end up getting this amazing baby, but for somebody who gives eggs, it is... it is an involved process, and a commitment, and it can be a lifelong commitment, but really, it is a drop in the ocean, compared to what the couple statutory to make their baby is possible. and expert says the rise is down to a greater awareness of donation as a notch and, more donors and more same—sex couples and single and more same—sex couples and single and waldo women using them, and the number of women donating their eggs
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is also an increase, too. thank you much, filled for that. —— phil. libellous port on the streets of london. how is it going? well, this project has been going for 80 months now. in a small pocket of south—east london in greenwich. it has been one of the largest trout in any city of the uk that has taken place, and the purpose of it is to see how efficiently is pods are, and to find out how people respond to them. we have got 500 londoners sign up for a go inside the driverless pods, and we can see how they had varied opinions. a7% said they felt positive. that compares to 10% to a negative. immediately, you think thatis negative. immediately, you think that is good news, however, look again, and it says that a3%, nearly half of people had real concerns
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over road safety. and how driverless vehicles would deal with unusual or contact situations. one in ten just did not like the idea of self driving vehicles at all. what will be interesting in the nearfuture is to find out how that break down generation late. perhaps those all day little bit more sceptical, and people of your generation and younger could be more open to new technology. it depends also when that question was asked, because since then, we have had the incident in arizona, the first fertility linked to a driverless car. that will change attitudes, as well. memo yes, you will think exactly that most of that was that was done before sunday. just as a toyota has stopped all trials of those d riverless ca rs stopped all trials of those driverless cars in america as a result of that accident, and... interestingly, a engineering
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professor tweeted today that we should stop rushing to deploy this immature technology, as she calls it, and that is resonating with a nod but the moment to thinking that these driverless vehicles are being pushed too quickly, too soon, really, and pushed upon people when perhaps we are not ready for it. again, we will see what happens. i don't think we will see driverless cars on our road any time soon, in the next year or two, but long—term, that looks ok real possibility. but, certainly at the moment, as a result of the devil and sunday, in america, car manufacturers stepping back and saying we need to slow things down and see where we are going without. thank you very much, that is nationwide. if you would like to see more on any of those stories, you can access
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them via the bbc eyebrow, and a reminder, withjoe them via the bbc eyebrow, and a reminder, with joe nationwide them via the bbc eyebrow, and a reminder, withjoe nationwide —— we go is in wide every... police in texas say the man believed to have carried out a series of deadly parcel bomb attacks in the state capital, austin, has killed himself. the man blew himself up inside his car while being chased by officers. from austin, here's gary o'donoghue. police closed in on the suspected bomber in the early hours, tracking him down to a hotel north of austin. whilst they waited for extra back—up, he drove off and then pulled into a ditch at the sight of the road. as the police approached his car, he set off another bomb. as members of the boston police department swat team approached the vehicle, the suspect detonated a bomb inside the vehicle. knocking one of our swat officers back, and one of our swat officers fired at the suspect as well. the suspect is deceased, and has significant
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injuries from a blast that occurred from detonating a bomb inside his vehicle. cctv in the past couple of days appears to show the man believed to be the suspect dropping off a package at a fedex office southwest austin. he has not been named officially, but thought to be a 23—year—old called mark anthony conditt. he lived in pflugerville, just outside the city. since the beginning of the month, there have been six separate bombs, five of which had its budget. two men have died, and half a dozen have suffered serious injuries. a number are still in hospital. police do not know the motive of this bombing screech spree that has terrified ostend the last three weeks. they are also telling the public that they don't know where the sub spec has been in the last few hours, so they could still be devices out
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there. —— where the suspect has been in the last three hours. more than a million nhs workers in england are offered a pay rise of around 6% over the next three years. a former executive at facebook says he warned social media bosses their approach to data protection risked a "serious breach". borisjohnson agrees vladimir putin is using the world cup in russia the same way hitler used the 1936 olympics in berlin — the same way hitler used the 1936 olympics in berlin. here's your business headlines on afternoon live: wages grew by 2.6%, excluding bonuses, in the three months to january. the unemployment rate fell aswell. earnings growth is almost meeting inflation which is stand at 2.7%. that's according to new figures out from the office for national statistics. it means earnings growth is almost meeting inflation which stands at 2.7%. tech stocks continue to fall
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as investors react to calls for tighter regulation as a us regulator, announces its looking into facebook‘s handling of personal data. the social media giant's market value has fallen by more than £28 billion in the last two days. shares in twitter are down more than 10%. it follows allegations that private information of 50 million facebook users were misused by a political consultancy firm. up to 90,000 grandparents and family members are missing out on a perk that could increase their state pension. national insurance credits for those who look after young children can be worth up to £230 a year in retirement. but an insurance firms says 90% of those eligible are failing to make the claim. it's called adult specified childcare credit. a look back at last year, and that is showing up in the insurance figures. yes, lots of hurricanes in the last year, lots of natural
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disguised as, mexico earthquake, flooding in bangladesh and lots of wildfires in california and all the big hurricanes. it is not a small amount, that is a loss of £2 million, quite considerable. also, a turnaround from the previous year when they made a profit of about the same amount. not a great year for them. little beach thing to see whether they are able to invest. and implement wage data, we had this morning. memo that is right. wizbit has picked up to 2.6%. —— wage. this all looks quite rosy. we are not being richer yet, but at the point in which wage growth can outpace inflation, it is realistic, economists are saying to expect that to happen at some point this year. that is good news. we will be talking a lot about facebook, but
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the focus is on tech stocks and they are suffering. memo that is right. not a good week for them. facebook and twitter are listed. it took a knock, 10%. at 5%, today, so some recovery, but overall down on the week. facebook have taken a huge bashing and wiped billions of pounds of its share rise. as we know, the markets you never really know to the end of the day how it is going to be done. we will get more naughty stories. —— more on all of the stories. joining me now isjeremy stretch, head of currency strategy at cibc world markets. facebook is a huge company. what you think? certainly, there are a number of questions. it is very much a case that investors that have been making significant returns in terms of buying these tech stocks in be last three years, we are seeing a degree
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of correction. the question is how durable it is going to be. in that context, it have to see how the regulator of the environment really pays back, and whether the... regulator of the environment really pays back, and whether the. .. let's move on to an appointment data, and also wage growth. there are calls that this is quite positive, that it might mean that you might actually seem real wage growth this year. is that actually realistic, because this isjust one period of time that actually realistic, because this is just one period of time when we are seeing kicks in the right direction. it is not necessarily an indication of a broader trend. memo we have got to look at the underlying dynamics. the invasion did to grow yesterday. i think that trend will continue. some of the impact is starting to drop out of that equation. we are seeing a significant acceleration in wages. the bank of england are very
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watchful and monitoring the tanning situation very closely. i think we will be looking towards the bank of england tomorrow, because they do make reference to higher wage growth, then markets will be increasingly looking to price the prospect of an interest rate hike. that is just prospect of an interest rate hike. that isjust going prospect of an interest rate hike. that is just going to add to the difficulties in terms of the consumer who had been hoping to see positive real income growth. and finally, lloyds of london, not a great year for finally, lloyds of london, not a great yearfor them. £2.1 billion, finally, lloyds of london, not a great yearforthem. £2.1 billion, a huge loss. it is that huge? in insurance? you have got to look at it in context. we can see that the insurance market paid out something in the region of a.5 billion in terms of games. that almost com pletely terms of games. that almost completely if things the swing between a profit in 2016, and the losses in 2017. ultimately, in a sense, if you want to understand the dynamics in terms avoid and london, you got to understand the trends and rest of natural disasters. thank you so much. quick look at the markets.
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the ftse looking for a negative and of the day. the pounds doing quite well today. second day of it doing quite well, because of all that data that we had on an appointment, and also wage growth, so, it seems to be picking up versus the della demagogue. it is not up there, but facebook at the moment cutsfi demagogue. it is not up there, but facebook at the moment cuts it is actually —— versus the dollar. it is not up there, but facebook? positive at the moment. that's it from your afternoon live team for today, next the bbc news at 5 with huw. time for a look at the weather... for most of us, the weather is not looking bad for the rest of the day. i don't think it will be quite as frosty tonight. lots of fine weather
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around. not everywhere. some of these weather systems of the atlantique are encroaching and affecting northern ireland and scotla nd affecting northern ireland and scotland right now. there is cloud and some rain, here. but, the vast majority of the country are enjoying some dry and bright weather. with these weather systems comes slightly milder air. you can see thiss coming in from the southern climes, here. that is over us through the course of today, and more especially over tomorrow. even. today, this evening, tonight and into tomorrow, it a lot of dry weather. across most of the uk. there is a lot of rain there, but the bulk of the country, a fine weather. the wins will drop out of the south—west, and touch of frost potentially in rural areas, but for most of us at least, temperatures four, five, six, 7 degrees. it would feel so called tomorrow morning. quite nice, the son should be out. there is a weather front coming in,
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south—westerly wind, milder wins marching in. despite cloud and range, we still think that temperatures in belfast to get up to around about 10 degrees or so. by the brighter weather will be, from edinburgh down to norwich and london, 12 or 13 degrees in one of two spot. thursday, a bit ofa in one of two spot. thursday, a bit of a next, but we will see that milder weather. i want to see you the bigger picture about what is happening across the neck of the woods. you can see the jet stream here raising out across the north america and the atlantic. primarily weather front and weather systems coming in, so temperatures will also go coming in, so temperatures will also 9° up coming in, so temperatures will also go up and down a little bit, as these weather fun smooth fruit through, but patterning turning a bit cooler once again as those swing towards... perhaps in those northern areas, eight or 9 degrees, a bit of seater cost the scottish hills, but in the south, a bit of sunshine, still ran ten to 12 studies. saturday, looking a little mixed, but on balance, a lot of bright weather around. temperatures dipping
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mantra about 7—9d. stilljust weather around. temperatures dipping mantra about 7—9d. still just about to double figures in the south. today at five. a long—awaited pay boost for more than a million nhs workers in england. a pay rise of at least 6.5% over the next three years is approved by the trades unions, as ministers say it's rewarding staff for hard work. the agreement which nhs trade unions have recommended to their members today, is a something for something deal which brings in profound changes in productivity in exchange for significant rises in pay. i personally will do quite well out of this pay offer and those who are on the lower banding will do quite well as well, but there are some people who won't do as well. we'll have the latest from westminster — and we'll get reaction from the head of the royal college of nursing. the other main stories on bbc news at 5. the academic at the centre of the row over the use of personal
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