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you're watching beyond one hundred days. facebook lost control of its users' data and failed to tackle the vulnerabilities in its system. the man formerly in charge of policing data breaches at facebook tells a committee of british mps he had warned seniorfigures at the company — but was ignored. facebook approached data like it was "the wild west frontier" claims sandy pa rakilas, and the amount of data that left facebook he says was "vast". is russia's world cup games really comparable to hitler's munich olympics? borisjohnson says it is, prompting outrage from moscow. i think the comparison with 1936 is certainly right. also on the programme. the pornstar, the playmate, and the reality tv contestant — president trump could be facing three civil lawsuits. as if he didn't have enough legal issues to deal with. and the us housing secretary who bought a $31,000 dining room set for his office last year — it wasn't my fault, he says.
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blame my wife. get in touch with us using the hashtag ‘beyond—0ne—hundred—days‘. hello i'm katty kay in washington, christian fraser is in london. facebook had a "wild west" approach to users‘ data and little interest in making sure profiles were used appropriately — that's according to a former facebook employee who's been testifying before a parliamentary committee. sandy parakalis worked on data protection at the company from 2011 to 2012 and has now become a whistleblower. he told mps for years data had been leaving the facebook service and going to an unfettered group of people. he said it was a risk the company was willing to take in order to grow the platform as quickly as possible. with that the affair
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analogy for the way facebook approached data, like the wild west frontier? so the approach to that, the wild west is an appropriate analogy for top all this coming from the fallout that was the cambridge analytica took millions of profiles from facebook and used them to sway support for the trump campaign. here is simonjack. the pressure on mark zuckerberg is growing to give his version of how the personal data of 50 million facebook users ended up with a consultancy that worked on the successful election campaign of donald trump and was secretly filmed boasting of their influence. the cambridge academic who came up with the original app says he is stunned by the controversy. never in our wildest dreams did we think anything we did would be
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used in the donald trump campaign. this is 2014. well before anybody would think mr trump would be a serious candidate. so at the time, i didn't know who their clients were going to be and i did not know the specific case. i did know it was going to be used for political purposes but beyond that, yes, it was well above my pay grade. i should have asked! although he did sign an undertaking that is migratory was from research —— his app was for research only and would never be used for commercial purposes. the implication in the story is democracy has somehow been undermined and that drew a political response today. the allegations are clearly very concerning and it is absolutely right that they should be investigated, it is right that the information commissioner is doing exactly that, because people need to have confidence in how their personal data is being used. so how much are we, as consumers, to blame for surrendering the facts of our lives?
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the conservation we should be having is, what happens to our data, how much are we comfortable to share, who with, and what we think about how that is done? so this feels to me like a real light bulb moment where people are understanding that it is not just clicking like on facebook, you are giving data away. so far, this scandal has cost facebook, whose london headquarters are there, $50 billion in market value and untold reputational damage. the chief executive mark zuckerberg has been silent and he will speak tonight, but how much responsibility could he and should he take for the misuse of his own customers data? cambridge analytica have always denied they used the harvested data in the trump campaign and deny any wrongdoing. mark zuckerberg will need a better statement than that. well facebook have been talking to
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committees on capitol hill. democratic congressman joaquin castro sits on the house intelligence committee — which cambridge analytica's former ceo testified before and then mocked in the channel 4 expose on the firm. hejoined me from capitol hill a short time ago. so congressmen castro, you have had members of facebook‘s staff coming to speak to people on the intel committee on capitol hill today. are you getting any more answers from them than we have had so far about what was going on in their role in terms of their users data being used in political campaigns? well, of course i cannot speak directly to what they told us before the committees. but i can tell you there are still a lot of unanswered questions we have about for example how many different groups may have got access to the same data that cambridge analytica god. —— got. whether cambridge analytica to the best of facebook‘s knowledge shared that information with any other groups. and what safeguards they put in place now to prevent that from happening in the future. do you think facebook realises the seriousness now of this situation?
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i think they have come a long way from where they started right after the election, where of course their ceo and executives really denied that facebook as a platform was abused or misused in any way. i think it has become very clear that if they are going to continue to be a news source, a major news source in the united states and around the world, that they are going to have to safeguard their platform a lot better than they have. they sat on this information that cambridge analytica had 50,000,000 users profiles for 2 years. so what prompted the change of heart on the part of the company? i think all of the revelations that have come out, the wonderful journalism that has been done, the reporting, about exactly how the platform was misused, i think also the investigations that have been conducted in public and in classified settings. or not classified, our investigation actually was not classified but in a sensitive setting. so you know, all that work i think has been helpful in getting facebook to come to the table and realise that they have a role to play
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in helping to protect american democracy. at one point in the latest report from channel 4 news, one of the members and i think it was alexander nix, says, we went to speak to members of congress but frankly, you know what, they didn't even know what questions to ask us. they were ignorant, they did not understand the technology. is that a fair representation of why it has taken lawmakers notjust on this side of the atlantic but in the uk as well, so long to address this issue? i think part of the challenge we have had was some witnesses not being honest and not being candid and they have played hide the ball. i would put alexander nix in that category and the problem has been that when we have asked questions the majority on the committee which is controlled by republicans, have been unwilling to issue any kind of subpoena or phone records or computer records or travel
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records to verify what has been told to us or to contradict anything that has been told to us. when i watch these two reports, i came away, and it sounds kind of grandiose, with the impression that western democracy has fundamentally changed. the way votes are cast, the way elections are won or lost has changed significantly. in a way that is worrying. that kind of degrades the concept of one person, one vote. is that too extreme, or is that the direction we're heading in? i think the big concern that many of us have is that for bad actors, whether it is a russian operative placing facebook ads, fake facebook ads, or cambridge analytica, social media has become the perfect platform for their propaganda. and social, we are in a full social media age now. where people get more of their information from the social media companies than from the traditional sources
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in broadcasting and print. and so to the extent that these platforms can be abused and are being abused, that is a big hit for our democracy. congressmen castro, thank you very much forjoining us. we are in a full social media age. thank you. a fairly terrifying thought. does vladimir putin have something in common with adolf hitler? britain's foreign secretary seems to think so. borisjohnson said today the russian president will use this year's world cup tournament the same way the nazi leader used the 1936 berlin 0lympics — for propaganda. in return russia's foreign ministry spokeswoman said mrjohnson is "poisoned with hatred and anger" adding that she found it frightening that he represents a nuclear power. as you can see, relations are not good. this war of words follows the expulsion yesterday of 23 russsian diplomats — and the same number of british diplomats will be leaving moscow any day now. how much worse will it get? mrjohnson has been taking questions from the foreign
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affairs select committee. he feels russia lost out and so he wants to cause trouble wherever he can. a desire for the world to take russia seriously again at all, at any price. and of course his principal audience for this is not us. it is his domestic audience. who want, after what they see as all these humiliations, who want to feel that russia is strong again. and it is ruled by someone who is strong and capable of expressing his strength and his desire for revenge. even in a place like salisbury. the labour mp ian austin also raised concerns around this summer's football world cup in russia making comparisons with hitler's 1936 berlin 0lympics. they got the right to stage the world cup clearly through corruption. putin's going to use it the way hitler used the 1936 0lympics. the idea of putin handing over the world to the captain of the winning team fills me with horror. i'm afraid that's completely right. the idea of putin using this as a pr exercise to gloss over the corrupt
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regime for which he is responsible fills me with horror. the russians are still denying any involvement in the attack on former spy sergei skripal, and now they're even more enraged, because the uk's ambassador to russia did not attend a meeting in moscow about the nerve agent that was used. the kremlin says it's another example of britain refusing to listen to its answers. now moscow is even suggesting britain may itself be behind the poisoning. the basic logic here revealsjust two possible options. the british government either is not capable of defending its country from such a — let's say — terror attack on their territory or they are directly or indirectly — i'm not accusing anyone of anything — staged an attack on a russian female citizen. in the last few minutes the foreign
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and commonwealth office has responded saying a british embassy representative attending the briefing and received no credible explanation. in contrast to russia it continues, the uk is fully compliant with its obligations under the chemical weapons convention with the chemical weapons convention with the experts are returning to the uk to collect samples. while i was looking at twitter i spotted this from president trump. he was pretty angry about the media response to his call yesterday with president putin. the fake news media is crazed, they're wrong, getting along with russia and others is a good thing not a bad thing. he is responding to a report in the washington post today, a leak of the briefing notes he was given before the call. yes, president trump was given briefing notes before his call president putin yesterday and according to the washington post in those notes, in capital letters, it was written, do not congratulate.
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and what does he do, he goes ahead to congratulate him. we do not know if he ignored the briefing, had not read it, but it seems his cross about the fact there was some kind of leak because it is all over the media. but not just of leak because it is all over the media. but notjust the president who responded to this, a group of senators were up on who responded to this, a group of senators were up on capitol hill yesterday and giving a briefing about another issue and they were asked by a journalist about resonant trump congratulating resident putin put up here is their answer. we're talking about connection integrity. could you comment on the idea that the president today called vladimir putin to congratulate him on winning his election? that is all for. time for lunch. it is the speed of the leak and
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sensitivity that has angered the cheese of staff. dashed chief of staff. because it came from a close number of people in the oval office. it seems someone on the national security side did not like the fact that resident trump congratulated vladimir putin and wanted it to be known they think it is a bad idea. so they went ahead and leaks the fa ct so they went ahead and leaks the fact that the president had been briefed not to make that congratulatory statement at the beginning of the call. the president clearly is going to do exactly what it wants to do and i'm hearing there is something of a witchhunt going on inside the white house at the moment to try to find out who is responsible. as we've just suggested he has quite a lot of headaches at the moment. legal headaches as well. there's the mueller probe, congressional investigations and then there are the women. this week the spotlight has turned on mr trump's personal life and there seems to be some risk of legal problems. here's where we are today.
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the porn star, the playmate, and reality tv contestant. three women putting pressure on donald trump. stephanie clifford goes by the stage name stormy daniels. stormy is what she could be for the white house. she says she had an affair with trump in 2006. and a few weeks before the 2016 election, his lawyer mysteriously paid her $130,000. stormy‘s tough la lawyer says she was physically threatened and warned to keep silent. mr trump denies the relationship. but in a polygraph test that she chose to take in 2011, she answered, yes, to these questions. actually, i'm going to pass on even reading these aloud. as miss daniels herself recently tweeted, technically, i didn't sleep with the potus 12 years ago. there was no sleeping. ps. i'm not going anywhere. mr trump was allegedly busy in 2006 because that was the year karen mcdougal, a playboy model, also
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claims to have been having an affair with him. in 2016 miss mcdougall was also paid, $150,000, by tabloid paper which never published her account of the affair. now karen mcdougal wants a court to declare that agreement null and void — she says she was tricked into signing it. the third woman is summer servos. summer was a contestant on the apprentice in 2007. when, she says, mr trump groped her and kissed her against her will. the trump campaign, branded her and other women as liars. now she has filed a lawsuit saying that was defamation and heard her business. on tuesday, the new yorkjudge dismissed the president's claim that he is immune from being sued because he is, well, the president. it is a heap of possible legal headaches for the president and a heap of uncomfortable explaining to his wife.
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and with us now is wendy murphy — a professor at the new england school of law. thank you forjoining us. either legal implications for donald trump concerning these women? 0h legal implications for donald trump concerning these women? oh yes. i do not even know where to begin. there are two lawsuits filed against him in california. both of them asking not for money but to avoid the contracts that they signed agreeing to stay silent about their affairs with him in exchange for money. another lawsuit, filed in new york, is a defamation lawsuit and as we just heard, thejudge has is a defamation lawsuit and as we just heard, the judge has allowed the lawsuit to go forward on the grounds that the presidentjust because he's the president, is not
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immune from lawsuits for private conduct. and of course the defamation claim alleges private conduct, claims that he made that the woman was a liar and publicly at a time when he was knocked president of the united states, he said that and that reference to private behaviour. so he has tremendous exposure. it remains to be seen... if you are advising president trump at the moment, how nervous do you think he should be?|j at the moment, how nervous do you think he should be? i think he has the most significant exposure with regards to some laws that are not exactly regards to some laws that are not exa ctly u p regards to some laws that are not exactly up front and centre in the lawsuit and that has to do with campaignfinance lawsuit and that has to do with campaign finance laws. in the united states there are very strict campaignfinance states there are very strict campaign finance laws that control the money that is spent to affect a
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candidate, to affect his campaign and they include money spent for private contracts and private debts. so although it has not yet become a problem for the president in a legal sense there is a concern that the payments he made to the women to keep silent were made for the purpose of influencing his election. and his defence thus far which is why it did have not been any charges yet, has come from his lawyer michael cohen has said publicly earlier in the year that money spent in particular with regards to stormy daniels, would have been spent in of his candidacy. if that is true then there will not be a campaign finance violation problem. but the more money he has spent... i wasjust going to say, for bill clinton it
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was not so much to be a fair about the lie. and here comes the problem, if the special counsel sits down with him and if he goes down this line of questioning and says did michael cohen handover money for a nondisclosure agreement, he has to a nswer nondisclosure agreement, he has to answer the question and in that situation it is a catch—22. answer the question and in that situation it is a catch-22. yes and that was going to be my second point about his legal exposure that we have not yet seen. the so—called perjury trap because remember the president has already said publicly that he did not have affairs with these women and the woman who is accused him of sexual assault is lying. so he is on record as having disclaimed those reports and if he does have to submit to a deposition or answer questions in discovery, the discovery process during any of these lawsuits, he will be in a very difficult position. and if he lies under oath that is itself a crime, a
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prosecutable crime. you can lie to the public, that is not a crime but you cannot lie under oath. thank you very much forjoining us. everyone is saying to me here, three civil lawsuits, president facing allegations of extramarital sex, sexual harassment, threatening behaviour, if this were other president, he would be in serious trouble. yes and there are quite right, he would be and this would be the story that dominated every headline in the country for weeks. just as it did with bill clinton. but they did not elect him as a paragon of virtue. they knew what they were getting and even evangelicals in the country signed up evangelicals in the country signed up to what they're getting and i think donald trump is counting on that. they knew what they were getting, and so people will not turn against me. the issue is that donald
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trump, his support among women and particularly amongst white college educated women, has collapsed since the last election, it has slumped. but more voted for him than hillary clinton. that is true but that has reversed now and he is negative with these women. if they hear the story that he had affairs with all these women and notjust affairs but had affair just after women and notjust affairs but had affairjust after his own wife had given birth to their child, i do not know. i'm not sure how well that would go down with a lot of married women. it is sensitive timing, i do not think they will like that. i think it could be a political problem for him. some other news of the day. boko haram militants have reportedly returned most of the schoolgirls abducted in northeast nigeria in february. parents say the insurgents drove into the town of dapchi in a convoy and dropped off at least 76 students outside the school. local media is reporting the girls are "exhausted and underfed". it's feared five of the 110 students kidnapped may have died. members of kosovo's opposition
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party have thrown tear gas canisters in parliament, to try to stop a controversial vote going ahead. mps were about to vote on a border agreement with montenegro, which would help kosovo gain visa—free travel to the european union, but the opposition party is against it. it's not the first time they've used tear gas in parliament to stop the vote — other protests have lead to street clashes with police. here's a question...let‘s just say you made an expensive purchase, charged it to your employer and then publicly blamed your wife — how popular would you be at home? because that's exactly how ben carson, the united states secretary of housing and urban development, has defended the purchase of a 31,000 dollar dining set for his office. mr carson has said that he left it up to his wife candy to pick out the furniture, which includes a table, chairs and sideboard.
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officials from mr carson's department have said the pre—existing table was 50 years old, falling apart and unable to be repaired. i have some sympathy for him, not for throwing his wife under the proverbial bus but in my household, i'm not actually on the acquisitions committee. i am a on the budget committee in a consultative role, but it has been set in our household when it comes to soft furnishings, it is not my strong suit.|j when it comes to soft furnishings, it is not my strong suit. i think i am with your wife on that. ben carson is not your favourite am with your wife on that. ben carson is not yourfavourite person. i'm not popular with ben carson. let's ta ke i'm not popular with ben carson. let's take a quick trip down memory line. the real reason women who have been sexually abused and come forward to talk about the stories is precisely this, but all too often they are accused of being liars. are
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you saying these are dying? that is your characterisation because you need to characterise it that way to try to make me the bad guy. need to characterise it that way to try to make me the bad guym need to characterise it that way to try to make me the bad guy. it is a question. stop, stop. can you turn her microphone off? i'm just going to turn your microphone off! this is beyond 100 days from the bbc. coming up for viewers on the bbc news channel and bbc world news... the european commission has proposed that large tech companies should pay but the call of their share of tax for the eu countries would collect tax on profits generated within their territories regardless of where a company is actually headquartered according to the new plan. that's still to come. 0ver
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over the next few days it looks like the weather will be mostly behaving in cell. there will be some rain around but no surprises on the horizon. 0n the short term no frost on the way tonight for most. this morning we had a frost and thursday morning we had a frost and thursday morning is likely to look different. you can see the clouds lifting out of the south, a south westerly wind blowing in our direction. so remaining quite mild into thursday. friday looks as if it is going to cold of a little bit. —— to cool off. as far as wednesday night into thursday's concerned a lot of dry weather. just the chance that across some south—western areas there could be some frost out in the countryside. that is ready much it for most of us thursday morning temperatures hovering around five or
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6 degrees. potentially even 7 degrees across eastern parts of scotland. belfast, around 4 degrees breast thing. this is what we expect to happen during the morning, the cloud increasing across western areas. we expect rain in belfast at the time we get to the early afternoon. some rain also in the western isles. but the bulk of the country should have a fine day. hazy skies and temperatures getting up to around 12 or 13 degrees. the jet strea m around 12 or 13 degrees. the jet stream keeps on moving weather systems in our direction. this illustrates what the jet stream is, you have the warm and the cold side. the cold air always to the north. we will have temporarily some milder weather on thursday. maybe slightly cooler heading into friday. that shift in the wind direction coming out of the north west. so maybe some wintry showers across the hills of scotland. and single figure
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temperatures. in the south in the sunshine temperatures around 12 degrees. saturday a lot of bright weather, hazy across much of england but sunshine around as well. the showers continue across scotland, some of those wintry across the hills. that is very much it. thanks for watching. this is beyond 100 days, with me katty kay in washington. christian fraser's in london. our top stories: pressure grows on facebook founder mark zuckerberg as us and uk lawmakers demand answers over how personal data from 50 million users was accessed by cambridge analytica. i think part of the challenge that we've had with some witnesses is that they've not been honest and they've not been candid, and they've played hide the ball. bridgen's foreign secretary has agreed that russia's world cup this year will be like adolf hitler's 0lympics. said it was silly to think
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of climate to putin glorified in the world cup. and still to come in the next half—hour. the bomber who terrorised austin, texas for weeks is believed to have been 23—year—old mark anthony conditt. police say he detonated a device inside his car tech companies play a 3% tax on their turnover in the eu. officials say the measures are to ensure digital companies pay their fair share of tax. to texas now, and the man accused of a string of deadly bomb attacks in austin is dead. he was killed by one of his own devices, detonating it as police closed in on the side of a highway. he was a 23—year—old unemployed texan man. police don't know why he was planting bombs in parcels around austin, and they don't know what he was doing in the 2a hours before his death. they are warning there could still be undetonated bombs out there. as a precaution, all buildings within a five block radius
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around his home are being evacuated. here's our correspondent, gary 0'donoghue. police closed in on the suspected bomber in the early hours, tracking him down to a hotel north of austin. whilst they waited for extra back—up, he drove off and then pulled into a ditch at the sight of the road. as the police approached his car, he set off another bomb. as members of the boston police department swat team approached the vehicle, the suspect detonated a bomb inside the vehicle. knocking one of our swat officers back, and one of our swat officers fired at the suspect as well. the suspect is deceased, and has significant injuries from a blast that occurred from detonating a bomb inside his vehicle. cctv in the past couple of days appears to show the man believed to be the suspect dropping off a package at a fedex office in southwest austin.
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he has not been named officially, but thought to be a 23—year—old called mark anthony conditt. he lived in pflugerville, just outside the city. a school friend of the suspect i spoke to didn't want to be identified. what she said he seemed like a normal boy. i would definitely say that i am completely surprised. i wouldn't have been this shockedif surprised. i wouldn't have been this shocked if it was somebody that i didn't know, but seeing that this is someone who i share memories with, even though it is just a little bit, is really crazy to me. ijust know that regardless of his personal reasoning, it wasn't active evil and it is not excusable —— it wasn't active evil. since the beginning of the month, there have been six separate bombs, five of which had its budget. two men have died, and half a dozen have suffered serious injuries. a number are still in hospital. police do not know the motive of this bombing spree that has terrorised austin for the last three weeks.
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they are also telling the public that they don't know where the suspect has been in the last 2a hours, so there could still be devices out there. gary 0'donoghue, bbc news, austin, texas. after reports of cambridge analytica's use of facebook user data came to light, the deletefacebook hashtag started to gain traction. not a huge surprise, perhaps. but then brian acton tweeted this. "it is time. hashtag delete facebook." mr acton isn't just any twitter user. he's the co—founder of whatsapp, the company facebook bought in 2014 for $19 billion. so if its time for him, is it time for the rest of us? let's get the thoughts of paul bernal, a lecturer in information technology, intellectual property and media law at the university of east anglia school of law. good to see you. lots of people asking me on to my timeline today how we go about elites in our personal information, should we want to? is it that easy? no. facebook
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doesn't make it easy for you at all. i have been campaigning for people to consider at least leaving facebook for more than five years because actually what has happened is, it shouldn't be a surprise, if you've been paying attention to the way that facebook‘s business model works. we shouldn't think of this just in terms one event of cambridge analytica manipulating data. this is in essence how facebook‘s business model works. it profiles. it analyses. it targets had been and try to manipulate you. usually manipulating you to buy a different product or use a different service. but actually the mechanism is the same as for political manipulation. so yes, i would say people should be considering deleting facebook from their system. the facebook obviously don't like that. and they make a really rather difficult. you have to follow a series of menus. they first make you diack the faded and think about it for another 1a days. and then finally when you press delete it takes a never mind for it to go.
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but they do provide a mechanism. it's not just but they do provide a mechanism. it's notjust what is on your facebook profile. i was reading today about an austrian privacy advocate, and he made an application to facebook in 2011 and they have records, 1200 files in fact, of all the ip addresses of the machine cd used to access the site. a full history of messages and chats, his location, even the items that he thought he deleted were on this file. so they have everything. yes, they have everything. they have much more than that as well. you have to understand, they don't just more than that as well. you have to understand, they don'tjust have the information that you put up about yourself or the information that they can mark out. for example they keep all the information about exactly which device you have used to log onto facebook, when, which version of the software you're using, all of that kind of stuff. but they also have the information they can derive from that. and they can work out all kinds of things. that is part of the biggest raval here. the sophistication of big data analysis. it now means they can
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derive all kinds of stuff about you from the most mundane information. you may think you are just answering a few questions about which products you like. they're able to derive about your sexuality, your religion, your political opinions and things like that. you might be able to delete some of that, but some of it remains. and also other people put up remains. and also other people put up information about you. i don't have a facebook account, but my relatives do. yeah. so your relatives do. yeah. so your relatives are putting up information about you. i was tempted to delete my facebook account when christian decided that he was not going to acce pt decided that he was not going to accept me as a friend, which was a very difficult day for me. we n accept me as a friend, which was a ve cut fficult day for me. we n accept me as a friend, which was a ve cut it, ult day for me. we n all. cut itasr ahgglgfi
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