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pages in the last... you from front pages in the last... you know, overnight. but the sunday telegraph obviously have found an angle on russian tv station showed propaganda using uk bases. henry did such a good job of explaining the convolutions of the other top story. will you have a go at this one? what are they doing? the interesting thing about this is britain, we know, is very anti—russia. what some of its allies have said is you are anti—russia but you are also letting the russians used london as a base and one of the ways they do that is that our tea, a kremlin finest channel, has a british licence to broadcast allowing it to broadcast anywhere around the eu. another european country cannot say that we are banning you because while we are in the eu it relies on a british licence —— rt. british latvians and others are saying we want ofcom, the communications regulator, to take a closer look and say this is propaganda, not something that should be broadcast on our channels or on any uk channels. it seems
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extraordinary that we allow this given the kind of fulmination we have appeared in the last few days from the foreign secretary. have appeared in the last few days from the foreign secretarym have appeared in the last few days from the foreign secretary. it does but i think russia wins either way oi'i but i think russia wins either way on this because either they get to continue to broadcast propaganda, and the important thing with this story is that it is not necessarily propaganda that is aimed at british people even though they are broadcasting from great britain, it is aimed at people in the baltics and eastern europe and latvia and it is designed to whip up sentiment there. so either they get to continue, or if we shut it down they get to play the victim and say that we are... britain says it is for liberalism and free speech but look at them censoring us. either way they win and they get a very positive pro—russia anti—western message. and very quickly, let's to her last look at the front page of the telegraph, staying with that, beautiful picture, nice geometric lines of the winning cambridge crew. you know what it's the women's group. i think a couple of years ago
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almost certainly this would have been the men on the front. that is nice to end with. cambridge have a clea n nice to end with. cambridge have a clean sweep, four out of four so bad day for oxford. henry and rachel, thank you for looking at the papers with us. that's it for the papers this hour. rachel and henry will be back at 11:30pm for another look at the papers. one morning two sisters leave home in norway as they do every day but by nightfall they have sent a message saying they are heading for the syrian war. their father races after them but they are already over the border. the norwegian writer asne seierstad tells the story in two sisters of a family convulsed by shock and the baleful influence of a war far away which overtook them in 2013. the girls, who were given fictitious names in the book, have never come home. welcome. this is a work ofjournalism but it
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takes you on quite a darkjourney. what did you discover that you did not know before this started? i learned a lot about how it is to grow up a somali girl in norway and how it is to search for an identity when you stand with a leg in norway and a leg in somalia and how this journey to radicalisation is quite step—by—step. it doesn't happen overnight. it is really the small steps happening every day, and if they all go in one direction, even though they are small steps, one by one, you might end up at the border to syria and actually cross it. one of the surprising aspects to the story, no one appeared to be aware
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that this might happen to these girls, both in their teens. you changed the names, of course. they were wearing hijabs to school, they woke up one morning and they left normally, but they did not come back. there was a sense of shock but why was it that no one suspected? some friends knew but the parents had no idea. it shows many things. it shows that the parents had no idea what the girls were actually up to. what they were talking about with their friends? yes. they had been radicalised themselves. very often those who go do not come from fundamentalist families, and this is also sometimes a protest against their parents. what happened with these girls — they had a normal upbringing and they were able to do sport and they went swimming and they went to the beach and they lived like their norwegian classmates. they were good at school and good in norwegian,
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but their mother was not integrated. she never bothered to learn norwegian and she was still in her head somehow in somalia. so when the girls became teenagers she became scared, she was losing the girls to norway and they were becoming too norwegian, dressing in skinnyjeans and t—shirts and she thought she needed to get them back into somali culture. so she hired a teacher of the koran which according to the teacher which according to the father is the start of the nightmare. he is the one who starts to get them into being more observant and praying more, but... what does that tell you? it tells a lot — why it is important to integrate whole families, because this is a textbook case of radicalisation, those girls.
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it is a gripping story, almost a thriller. yes, for many reasons, also theirjourney to syria and the father who comes to look for them. he tried to stop them but he was too late. they had gone across. he was a child soldier from somalia so he was the right type to cross the border and join the al—nusra front in order to be with the soldiers and try to find the girls. what happened, he found them and he was going to meet them, but two competing armies were meeting and the girls were in a car and one of them was shot and injured. he actually got to meet the other one, and he said, "finally, you will come back with me, and i will rescue you." and she said, "i'm
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sorry, i can't go." she said, "i'm married now, my life is now here." with islamic state? yes. these girls chose to be there and they never wanted him to rescue them. instead he got arrested by isis and put in prison and tortured. awful experience for the father whom you got to know very well. did you admire him? oh, yes, iadmired his persistence. he felt when the girls left, at first he thought it was a joke and they were coming back, but then he realised they really had gone to syria. he felt a failure as a father and husband and the man of the family. the patriarch. his desperate search for them is admirable but also crazy. there is a moral question new address in the postscript of the book. you wonder whether it is fair
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for you to write this story of two girls who you have never met. did you wrestle with that? yes, two girls who never consented and who might get angry at the book. when i started out, i was thinking, they're soon coming back, because that is what the father said — they were desperate to come back to norway. that was your expectation? yes, but it wasn't really true, that was wishful thinking. i thought i will do research and get the background story, their radicalisation told by others and then they will come back and tell their own story, but then they never came back. when you set out it was a normal journalistic exercise? it was, but the backbone of this book, their voices, even though i never spoke to them. that is the chat log. they are speaking, as far as the readers concerned, and yet they are not speaking to you. you have pasted together through
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layer upon layer of observation and also your imagination. that is the great thing about social media, things that would be lost in a phone conversation can be there, black on white, on messenger, oi’ those apps they use to communicate. they have a conversation which last for two and a half years with their brother, theirjourney into radicalisation and his journey into atheism. that is such an interesting... did you feel that you were on the journey with them? you have enough material to follow in their steps. i even think they are more honest when they speak to their brother because this was never meant for publication. had they given an interview with me it would have been more measured. they would have polished it. one of the powerful aspects of the book... we have all become somewhat battered by the daily news reports from syria over many years. and it can dull the senses. but you forget you are talking
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about human beings. when you get the story about one family and two sisters and this extraordinary journey, the risks they took, the almost fanatical determination they had, you are reminded that when you see a news report there are families being torn apart. yes, definitely. when you talk about the fanaticism, it is interesting to see how these girls, from being really ordinary norwegians, for them, religion played such a big role. without the religious dimension they couldn't have gone. finally, we don't know what has happened to the girls, whether they are alive or where they are, but if you had a chance to meet them now, what would you ask them?
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i would ask them to tell me everything that happened because we don't know, what has happened to hordes of young girls who went to syria. i've spoken to a researcher in london, there's such a lack of information. what they spoke about with their brother in the book is a polished version, a version in the image of islamic state, but what now? islamic state have lost all power and they must be living in hell right now if they are still in syria. so, really, the whole story, whether they are still fanatics or they changed their minds and they thought, "actually, i did have a good life in norway". how did i reject all that to be here in the desert? it is what has happened inside their heads that i would wonder about.
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it is a story with no end. asne seierstad, author of two sisters, thank you so much. thank you. good evening. in the week ahead it will be a battle between mild air and cold air, today a battle between cloud and sunshine. sunshine won out across scotland and northern ireland making for a gorgeous spring day in the borders early on, cloud for england and wales. it was dry for a time in the peak district, unlike further south where we saw outbreaks of rain related to this swirl of cloud, this is storm hugo, which produced a torrid night across spain and southern france but it has thrown up cloud across england and wales today, that sheet of cloud still in place producing outbreaks of rain, but it's the clearer skies which will win out. as it works its way southwards clearer conditions pushed to all but east anglia and the south—east. still a few showers to come.
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some icy conditions across scotland and northern ireland with rural parts dropping below freezing as clear skies develop, 7 degrees in the south—east corner, an indication the cloud will hang on into the morning. a bit of a grey start in east anglia and the south—east but it will brighten up here and across much of england and wales a vastly improved day on sunday, some long sunny spells, light winds, lovely sunshine overhead, showers in northern england and northern ireland, bulk of showers in the far north of scotland, and a bit of hill street. —— and a bit of hill sleet. even here where you have sunshine temperatures in double figures. clear conditions to take this into sunday evening, only one thing that will happen, temperatures will drop widely, the frosts will develop forjust about all as we head into monday morning's rush hour, few towns and cities will stay above freezing just but elsewhere get ready to scrape the cars. that sets us into a week ahead in which we will see a battle of milder air pushing through to start with
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and then it's going to be a case of what will win, the atlantic winds or is it going to be colder air trying to make a comeback from scandinavia? certainly on monday, after a frosty start it will be the atlantic air that wins over, meaning after a sunny start with mist and fog patches in eastern areas and central areas cloud will increase, many areas dry but cloud in wales and western england and northern ireland and the temperatures will pick up, in double figures. through monday night and into tuesday as the area of low pressure works across bringing rain for many, as it sinks southwards we could start to introduce the colder air and some snow on the hills in northern england and scotland. so, just as british summertime begins and the clocks go forward tonight, cold air could be making a comeback. this is bbc world news.
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i'm lucy grey. our top stories: mass demonstrations take place across the united states in support of gun control. led by survivors of the florida school shooting. we will get rid of these public serva nts we will get rid of these public servants that only serve the gun lobby and we will save lives! will hold a national memorial service with a police officer who offered himself as a hostage to save others during the supermarket siege. the commander of nato forces in afghanistan claims russia is trying to stall effort to end the war with the taliban. scandal on the cricket pitch. australia admit to ball tampering in their third test match against south africa. it will take a look at tomorrow's front pages.
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