tv The Brexit Panel BBC News March 28, 2018 11:30pm-12:00am BST
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during the service, more tributes. i loved to talk to him about the mechanics of comedy, and i learned so much from him. he came to several plays i did, and we pick the bones of how and why things work, or didn't. but this wasn't just a showbiz event. there were heartfelt farewells. we will never see the like of ken dodd again. thank you. thank you, sir ken. tatty bye. statues across the statute carried tickling sticks to mark the day, as ken dodd's coffin left the cathedral, the congregation waved tickling sticks and diddy men joined the procession. sir ken asked for people wanting to give donations in his memory should give to help the homeless on merseyside. andy gill, bbc north west tonight, liverpool. time for a look at the weather with louise lear.
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good evening. a heads up for the easter weekend at the end of this forecast but for the here and now we have clear skies across the country and that allows for temperatures to start to fall away. it will be a chilly night with patchy mist and freezing fog to the north. rain topping and tailing the country with these showers down to the south—west preventing temperatures from falling below freezing. elsewhere, a light frost in the morning and a chilly star but we will see some sunshine. favourite spots are the best that the weather, western scotland, possibly northern ireland in north—west england. at the same time, the card and drain into the south—west will push into wales, northern england and across to the south—east. a disappointing feel out there, rather chilly. as we move into the easter weekend it looks as if we are going to see some rain. there was a cold in the north so
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some showers will be wintry on the hills of the lease once the rain clears, fingers crossed we will see some sun. this is bbc news — our latest headlines: detectives investigating the poisoning of a former russian spy and his daughter believe the pairfirst came into contact with the nerve agent at the front door of their home in salisbury the high court overturns a decision to free the serial sex offender — john worboys — known as the "black cab rapist" after a campaign led by victims and their families. the rift betweenjeremy corbyn and jewish leaders deepens after they demanded he disown supporters who had vilified anti—semitism protesters. the leader of north korea — kimjong—un — has been visiting beijing for talks with president xi. a money—back scheme for returning glass, plastic bottles and cans is to be introduced in england to boost recycling and cut waste.
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now on bbc news, the political battles over brexit have been furious while the negotiations are complex and fraught. but with a year until our departure, what do voters make of the progress of brexit? we went to coventry to meet a group of leave and remain voters. our political editor laura kuennsberg listened in to their discussions. all the political shenanigans brexit was a decision taken by the public. what you are about see is not scientific but a slice of opinion, a flavour of the conversations that
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you, we are all having around the country about brexit with one year to go. i will ask you, thinking about brexit, don't think about this too hard, but just about brexit, don't think about this too hard, butjust think of the first three words that come to your mind. when you think about brexit. and write them down for me. you've got one? is everybody done? great. what did you put down?” got one? is everybody done? great. what did you put down? i put lives. because going towards brexit on both sides, we were told different things. how do we know what is going to happen? so lies. and who do you trust to tell you the truth?|j to happen? so lies. and who do you trust to tell you the truth? i think you just get on with it. i don't trust any of the politicians really. you watch pictures of the news but either way, you have to get on with
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it. i think they were really clever because they chose the two biggest issues that bother us, the nhs and immigration, and pummelled us all with that and didn't give us enough information to stay in that they attacked the weaknesses, if you know what i mean. people 's emotions. they pushed buttons. when you say they, who is that? i voted to leave but they still lied to us. they tampered with the figures and they said on the bus, we pay £350 million a week into europe, which is true, but what they didn't tell you is that we get over £100 million back a week. there is still a deficit of 180 million. and then they said, let's invest in the nhs which led to
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infer that they would invest that money into the nhs but it didn't actually say that, it in third it and that's what you got in your mind to say, i'm leaving. what did you put on your sheet? my first one was the infrastructure of the whole country including the nhs as a primary thing that all the housing you will need. the amount of people coming into the country every year, is equivalent to the size of the city of coventry and it got to build houses. they build houses but they don't build the roads. again, with the nhs, they don't get the nurses. nurses working 12 hours. you watch programmes on australia and they are working eight, 10— hour shifts, better pay and conditions. how does all this relay to brexit? with brexit, we've got open borders. as i
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say, with those people coming in, they've got to go somewhere, they've got to live somewhere in there has to bejobs for got to live somewhere in there has to be jobs for people. got to live somewhere in there has to bejobs for people. indira, what did you put? nhs is my biggest one because my daughter is a doctor and every time, she said, i'm having to do this, and on call all the time and really stressed out and on top of that, she had to do presentations and projects and there are so many cuts. how does this relate to brexit? brexit, i think like cuts. how does this relate to brexit? brexit, ithink like you said earlier, about national health, it's just not happening. we do need more staff and they are undercut, not paid enough so it affects all the nhs. i do worry about that. did
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anybody else put the nhs? belinda, what did you put? i put lack of knowledge. just the lack of information that is given to us about the consequences of leaving brexit and the amount of knowledge that's just given to us in dribs and drabs so we are only told what people want us to know. what did you put, lauren? closed borders. again, ican put, lauren? closed borders. again, i can see both sides working for the nhs because i work with some fantastic nurses from eu countries, fantastic nurses from eu countries, fantastic nurses from eu countries, fantastic nurses and doctors and without them, being able to move freely, we wouldn't have those staff but on the flipside, we are treating so but on the flipside, we are treating so many but on the flipside, we are treating so many non— but on the flipside, we are treating so many non— british patients that is putting a strain on us and
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enabling us to not give the full ca re enabling us to not give the full care that we want. it's very difficult to say. i personally don't know what is best. i'm not saying close the borders but immigration in moderation. what did you put? i put immigration. going back to my pa rents, immigration. going back to my parents, they came over as immigrants and they went straight intojobs. we went immigrants and they went straight into jobs. we went straight into and it wasjobs. my mum is a retired nurse. they went into the jobs that other people didn't want to fill that they were classed as immigrants but this version of immigration, people are coming from different countries for different reason but it seems like, coming in and looking after them and it seems to have a ripple effect and a strain on the nhs, the schools, housing, it'sjust everything. they know they can come
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m, everything. they know they can come in, they will get a house, they can get a job, they might not need to have a job but they will get paid something from our government that will keep them here and everyone knows it's an easy option. it's changed a bit now, think so.|j knows it's an easy option. it's changed a bit now, think so. i think it has. so it's been two years almost since the referendum. what's happened in that time? oh, dear. politicians seem to have dragged their feet immensely. somebody is making an awful lot of money out of it. who? the people in the know. it's just taking too long to happen, isn't it? one of my first answers was costly. because they don't talk about thousands or millions. its billions of pounds that we are still going to be paying into the eu when
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we have left. and they've done a deal to navigate to pay this or pay that. and you think, where does it all come from? where does it go to? where is this eu market? where are they? where does all this money go to? and what specifically have you noticed has struck you in that time in terms of what's happened. just the argument on both sides. no one seems to know what's going to happen. it's a lot of to—ing and fro—ing. we are threatening the eu with this game, it's that game. it's like playing a game of cards, like poker. if we are leaving, we just have to leave. is the release specific thing you noticed? the
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prime minister changed. he gave us a referendum and as soon as he didn't get the decision he wanted, he was gone. he should never have allowed it. as the prime minister, you should be impartial, i believe. you shouldn't be pro— europe or whatever it is. now she is having to deal with it as well. what's gone wrong? what's gone right? we are arguing with 27 other countries, i think it is, who don't want us to leave. how on earth are we going to get anything out of it that's advantageous to britain? i think they are talking about it, it's nearly two years since we have left. i don't know why we could have left sooner i don't know why we could have left sooner than we had done. they are supposed, we are supposed to be importing more from them than they are from us. does anybody feel
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optimistic? no. ijust thought it was a straight out. you know, goodbye. search the 27 other countries but also you said that you thought maybe the government don't actually want us to leave? what makes you think that? david cameron, he is the one that arranged the referendum and then he ran off. and in replace of him was theresa may wanting to stay also and how can you have someone that was so for europe leading us out of europe? she is not... like i said at the beginning, you need an impartial prime minister, someone that is in it for the people, not themselves. some of it doesn't sit right with me. what would need to change for the
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negotiations to go well? what would make you feel they were going well? i think it's being done. the european trade agreement. get things actually ticked off, say that is sorted, that is sorted, a list of things to get done, go down the list. what would make you feel it was going well? to see facts and figures and understand a bit more about the future in terms of immigration, like we talked about the points system. what is the system going for? is anybody know, has anybody heard anything about what they are going to do about that going forward? is itjust close the borders or a points system? our going forward? is itjust close the borders or a points system? 0urjob is going to be affected? most of us have got children and our main concern is their futures and by the time my children grow up, we will be in full, a full country on our own
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opposition will we be in? will there bejobs available opposition will we be in? will there be jobs available for them? if you think about the brexit process , if you think about the brexit process, who will be the winners and who will be the losers? nobody knows. good question. my number one was uncertainty when you asked us to write down. that was my top banter. i don't think anybody knows, not the prime minister. does anybody have a sense of who might do well out of this at the end? i don't. we don't have the information. i do not know because i don't think government knows. they gave into this thing of brexit and it is old new and nobody knows. what information would you like that you are not getting?|j like that you are not getting?” wa nt like that you are not getting?” want a plan saying what we have achieved. simple. no fancy words
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about this policy and that policy. just what they have achieved with northern ireland, with the pound with the borders, simple things like that. maybe just some simple fact is. like the fact that they were giving us when they were trying to make us make a decision and vote leaves all state. it would nice to have —— leaves all state. it would nice to have — — be leaves all state. it would nice to have —— be nice to have updates. things that simple families can understand where it will benefit them and where we are so we have... so that we are not so in certain about what will happen.” so that we are not so in certain about what will happen. i would like to know why we could notjust our agreements and leave. whether you voted for it or not, we voted 52, 48, voted for it or not, we voted 52, a8, whatever and i think we should just leave. if we have to pay billions to this but if not, finish
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it. ideally that would have been a process that is that is the way ice thought it was going to go.” process that is that is the way ice thought it was going to go. i have obviously been totally incorrect. two years later i would like to know what benefit we would have had from remaining. let us know what has changed behind the scenes in those two years to let us know what the vote actually did. did it create a mess somewhere? is everyone still 0k? nobody knows. maybe i ask the other way around. imagine we are at the end of the process. what would be the worst outcome for you? what would make you think that this was a disaster? the ireland borders. if that takes a step back so it is basically borders all the way along again, that is a massive step backward. and that would worry you? not me so much hype, it feels at
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what's the point? it can be worth it. that cannot have been what anybody was looking for when they wa nted anybody was looking for when they wanted to leave europe. if nothing changed. at the moment we are told who we can deal with. is nothing changed on that... i would be very worried because, you know, when we come out of the eu we can deal with whoever we want to. at the moment, there was something on the tv week about the fisheries where the fishermen can't fish where they want to fish because we are in the eu. that has always been the way. so, you said you were disappointed with the whole thing and wished that we would just stop this.” the whole thing and wished that we would just stop this. i did vote to remain. and i have been disappointed. what is your worst nightmare from this? if we got to
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the end of the process, what would you most dread, the thing that would make you feel worst about it? i'm just not happy about it at all and the future of kids worries me. and people like my mother who needs 2a—hour care. although we do have help from social services and carers but there are not enough and we, as a family, care for her. my husband and my children and i i don't think there is enough, you know? not enough knowledge either. we don't know much about it. that is how i feel. and, john, you voted to leave. at the end of the process what would make you feel disappointed in the outcome? if the government makes cuts with the military and with public services and nurses, policemen, firemen alert is a are
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still on the port side of things that would be disappointing. if money is not invested into the nhs that would be a disappointment. are you worried? no, iwasjust thinking. from your point of view what would be a bad outcome? similar to whatjohn said. that we get to where we are and, going back to the nhs, it is for everybody. is that syncs it is just having an effect on everybody. education and housing as well. we return to the same thing again but it will affect everybody. thinking about the government, and in particular theresa may, how good a job is she doing an brexit? she doesn't seem to be going well from the press that she is getting. they
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we re the press that she is getting. they were not prepared to leave, there is no plan. she was prepared to do this and she was prepared to do that. she gets into a meeting and suddenly changes that have she never gives a straight answer. do you think that labour would do any better? no. no. i don't think they could do any worse either, saying that. last thing i want to ask you to do is to place in politics yourself. what i would like you to do is imagine that you are going to give some advice to these people, to theresa may and jeremy corbyn, give them one piece of advice specifically about brexit. you may be longing to give them a
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more general advice about their footwear but is coming yeah, if you could just think a little bit about advising them on how you would like to see them conduct themselves about brexit. website wasjeremy corbyn. let's give him some advice. what would be the best advice forjeremy corbyn? get your priorities in order so that you will sing from the she same hymn sheet. people won't but get them all organised. do it in the right way. even within himself is not the best, um, not the best sort of leader, really, for the party. is trying to come up with a new way of doing things which i don't feel that he is leader material. why has he
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not leadership material?” he is leader material. why has he not leadership material? i don't know. he just does not leadership material? i don't know. hejust does not not leadership material? i don't know. he just does not seem that sort of... that sort of authoritative. he doesn't seem to be focused and dedicated to what doing. he seems to blend in and get on with it but not so much someone to listen to. what advice did you give? it just seems to score points. he will say things and you know that he cannot come up with it himself. he would say all these things about what he would do we hear power but where is it going to come from? what he would do we hear power but where is it go 5¥§£¥§ jnggfr’om ?'i what he would do we hear power but where is it gown} i thinki renationalise everything. i think you need to be decisive. what will he do and what are his future prospects. you feel he is not he do and what are his future
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