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isa is a yearish to go until good. it is a yearish to go until brexit day. i think shall we speak to somebody in the audience? josh has a question. josh. i have to stand up. walk around here. come with the cameraman. where isjosh? hello, nice yellow shirt. what is your question? i have two. first, in the first year of the brexit process, what was the most significant moment for you and the second is adam, was what the secret of creating a good bundle? good questions. particularly that first one. the top of my head, the election, because it changed the balance of power and it hope to remainers that necessarily was a there. but they might be able to
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slow down or stop the process because theresa may's authority had drained away. the most important moment, for me anyway, was the mansion house speech. it was meant to be the newcastle speech but it ended up being the mansion house speech because of the snow. it was the first time theresa may stood up and said to her party, to the public, and the eu, nobody is going to get everything they want. i know i must compromise. that is something we talked about a lot on the news everywhere, that there were always going to be compromises. it wasn't really u p going to be compromises. it wasn't really up until that moment when she confessed to that. it changed to something in the political waterfor me. we arejournalists. we never keep to the rules. he said biggest moments. i think there are lots. symbolically when the uk's ambassador to the eu delivered the letter in brussels, the donald tusk who represents the 27 eu member
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states, in brussels, and that triggered the formal process of brexit negotiations, the article 50 process. that was a big moment. what happened just now over russia and the salisbury poison was another big moment. it shows the eu, how much they want to keep close to the uk after brexit. rhetoric aside, negotiations aside, this was a clear message about what the eu's intent is. it wasn't just message about what the eu's intent is. it wasn'tjust out of solidarity with the uk. the eu 27 are very worried in a wider way about russia. salisbury, though, felt very close to home for them. they want to make sure there is a close security deal with the uk after brexit, despite talk of cherry picking and so on. joey! quick! cherry picking!” talk of cherry picking and so on. joey! quick! cherry picking! i like to say it is pronounced by our friends abroad as sherry picking. a
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key moment for me was when i was talking to the secret squirrel contacts talking to the secret squirrel co nta cts we talking to the secret squirrel contacts we like to talk about. he said to me, i'm actually not going to speak to you on this evening, because i don't want brexit negotiations to happen through you oi’ negotiations to happen through you or your colleague, laura. that was interesting. because the two sites weren't talking. they weren't communicating. they didn't want to communicate through us. —— two sides. they obsessively looked at what each other is saying. and our tweets. and particularly your binder pictures. a few weeks ago, i bumped into michel barnier at a st patrick's day party. here we go! he
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said where are your cameras? i said, lam here said where are your cameras? i said, i am here to get drunk. i instantly regretted it. and he said, so am i! chuckles did he buy you a drink? the drinks we re did he buy you a drink? the drinks were all free. where were you? the irish embassy's st patrick's day party. applause the soft power of the irish government. didn't affect my reporting. i've had plenty of drinks at the british embassy, too. reporting. i've had plenty of drinks at the british embassy, toolj reporting. i've had plenty of drinks at the british embassy, too. i want you to find henry eagles field. where are you? i'll go! rescue me, what's your question? as an 18—year—old i was unable to vote in the referendum and general election. will i get a say on brexit before we leave the eu? short answer, i think probably not. but i wouldn't rule
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anything out. it doesn't feel that way right now unless something unexpected happens. but... i wouldn't rule anything out because politics has been so volatile. but it doesn't feel that way right now. but there is a concerted campaign with powerful voices who are pushing for it. and the eu is happy for that. they've never hidden the fact that. they've never hidden the fact that they feel brexit is a terrible thing. they don't agree with those in the uk who believe it is a chance for the future. they say that it is a lose lose situation. but they think the uk will lose most of all. a bit like animal farm, everybody is a loser, but some losers lose more than others. that is very much the uk. i must point out that they are realists. this conspiracy idea that the eu is plotting to have another referendum isn't something you come across. if you say to emmanuel
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macron, any chance you might change your mind? not right now. but they really believe it is happening. they are continuing. as we go into this next stage of negotiations, you have both sides wanting a fair brexit. we should have a card for that because it is the new slogan. fair brexit, pragmatic brexit. but each side will look after their own interest. give us look after their own interest. give usa look after their own interest. give us a sense of look after their own interest. give us a sense of your look after their own interest. give us a sense of your perspective. this huge decision which will have ramifications for a long time, and you guys didn't get a say. a lot of my friends, same age as me, would have voted remain. it feels like we don't get a say when we are the youngest generation, but we haven't had a say, and everybody in my school will grow up not having had a say in what is a big decision for the country. let's hear from somebody who is just as passionate on the other side of the argument.
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where are you, sophiejarvis? on the other side of the argument. where are you, sophie jarvis?|j where are you, sophie jarvis?” nearly ran past you! i am a shambles! are you proposing to sophie? and she is dressed for the occasion. instead of a ring you will get a microphone. anyway, back to brexit, your question.” get a microphone. anyway, back to brexit, your question. i think the likes ofjohn major saying we don't have a leveraging the discussions and tony blair holding on for a second referendum, that undermines oui’ second referendum, that undermines our position in the negotiations. i wondered if you agreed. applause some people in cabinet think that. and some people here. someone who was really gnashing their teeth and said, doesn't he get it, that every time somebody in that position says something like this it makes it harderfor us? but
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something like this it makes it harder for us? but i something like this it makes it harderfor us? but i think something like this it makes it harder for us? but i think there something like this it makes it harderfor us? but i think there is a sense amongst that great. there is a sense amongst that great. there is a campaign, and a group of people who are coordinating to try to maybe not overturn it, but maybe put the bra kes not overturn it, but maybe put the brakes on and put it —— do it in a different way. for them it is a greater cause than their party. it's one of the interesting things we've seen since the referendum. politics is split down the leave and remain lines. party alliances are not what they were. it is almost unworkable. -- it is they were. it is almost unworkable. —— it is almost unwhippable. it almost understandable that people think that. and it isn'tjust leave tending people in westminster who think that. we are joined by a german journalist working in think that. we are joined by a germanjournalist working in london. what is it like reporting all of this stuff? the brits being
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emotional about that you for a german audience? our audience is still very interested in brexit. people really look at this and think what the hell is going on there? chuckles if you look at what people comment oi'i if you look at what people comment on what i report, it's interesting, it has split a lot of germans. a lot of them think it would be a good idea. a good idea for the uk or germany? for germany. there was a lot of scepticism about europe in germany. there was almost grief that the brits were leaving when it first happened. but now it might make much ofa happened. but now it might make much of a difference what tony blair and john major say when it comes down to negotiations. they look at this as a factual thing. it is a nitty—gritty of rules and autonomy. we get into the details, how the fishing quotas will be agreed, thinks like that, do you get into that much detail for your german consumers? or do you do
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the big picture stuff? interesting question. in germany we have been going into the nitty—gritty of the eu for20, 30, 40 going into the nitty—gritty of the eu for 20, 30, 40 years. going into the nitty—gritty of the eu for20, 30, 40 years. every morning i get a press preview about everything that has been reported in the german press about brussels. it's 35 pages of all of the little stuff like fisheries, technology, etc. germany is pretty much informed. they don't need to know now, they already informed. where is anneka. .. now, they already informed. where is anneka... and her now, they already informed. where is anneka. .. and her amazing now, they already informed. where is anneka... and heramazing nails. now, they already informed. where is anneka... and her amazing nails. she does amazing brexit themed nail art. what are likely to be the main difference is, ifany, between what are likely to be the main difference is, if any, between the border arrangements for northern ireland and gibraltar, and how the irish and spanish governments are likely to approach the negotiations differently? honestly, we don't
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know. nothing wrong with saying that. next question. because... ? nothing is agreed! but also because they are working in parallel, rather than being together. spain and the uk are talking about gibraltar. gibraltar! there! that is a bilateral, i don't know if it is technically bilateral, but it is a twin track process with spain and the uk trying to sort it out. people are involved in that, saying it will be sorted, don't worry, it will not be sorted, don't worry, it will not be an issue. it is hanging around as one of the damocles sword that could crash down and cause big problems that crunch points. but it's going to be separate to the other process
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where you have the commission and ireland and the uk having their own little triangle or triptych, bearing talks, in parallel to the 2017 process. which they were not allowed to do until now. that's right. the difference is that the rest of the eu, the eu 26 in this case, and the heads of the eu institutions, are 150% behind the irish government. and they mean it when they say you must be happy with this arrangement. they take the good friday agreement seriously. that's a very real concern. seriously. that's a very real concern. for spain it is a national pride issue. it is seen as such. it's used by the spanish prime minister for domestic reasons. if you were to use this and put into peril and agreement to the eu very much once, notjust peril and agreement to the eu very much once, not just the peril and agreement to the eu very much once, notjust the uk, then you can expect the weight of the 26 to come bearing down on it. we've had a
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lot of political heat around the irish border question. yet up until now the gibraltar question, yes, different, hasn't really forced itself to the front of the discussion. it doesn't have the emotion behind it, either. with a lot of brexit, its economic arguments. when it comes to fishing, if peoples livelihoods are... i am not belittling that, but i need when it comes to the irish border situation people remember the troubles. it's about peace, it's about violence, that is what catapults the irish issue into such a status. no question about that. and it's a serious point. no politician in ireland, the uk, anywhere around the eu wants in any way either to the or to be seen to be the politician that might tip the balance towards going back to a much more dangerous and unhappy time. we will get another question. now it is time for you to do the legwork,
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chris. why is elliott? you have matching tops. hug a hoodie, that'll such a long time ago. good evening. an honour to be here. a couple of questions. i'm from believe in brexit. i've got to give the organisation a plug. please follow us. organisation a plug. please follow us. as a mixed race brexit voter i was deeply disgusted and offended by the leader of the not so democratic liberal democrats comments. could somebody educate vince cable that when we voted to leave that means having more diversity and being open to more inclusive immigration system, as opposed to what we have now. 0k. system, as opposed to what we have now. ok. we are only going to give you one question. that was quite long. vince cable made a comment
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talking about, he was suggestion, i can't remember the precise quote, that it was white voters over a certain age who chose brexit because of prejudice. it was interesting. vince cable is also the leader of a small political party who is keen, as all politicians are, to build up their profile, particularly acutely for him. in retrospect they felt he was maybe too sharp with some of his language. but i think what you hone into is that one of the things about the brexit campaign was that it was full of lots of different strands. and for a lot of people it was about immigration. everybody will remember the nigel farage poster that he stood in front of with that breaking point slogan. now i know like you, elliott, lots of brexiteers and people we met around the country we re people we met around the country were really cross about that. appalled by it. they thought it was
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crossing a line. that wasn't what brexit was about for them. but it's also true that immigration for lots of people was a motivating factor. what would be interesting to watch now in the negotiations is whether immigration is used as a bargaining chip, actually. amber rudd has been noticeably quiet about immigration figures and about promises to bring down immigration. it is thought very possible that during the negotiation process , possible that during the negotiation process, which will continue past the year from now, process, which will continue past the yearfrom now, something process, which will continue past the year from now, something we haven't said yet. this will go on for ever. we have so many eu countries poland, the czech republic, slovakia, for example, they have a lot of their citizens living in the uk. they have a the citizens who want to come to the uk. spain is another country. italy, another. it is therefore thought possible that the government may use some kind of eu immigration quotas
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asa bargaining some kind of eu immigration quotas as a bargaining chip. it is all there, anyway. elliott, picking up on the conversation about vince cable and those comments which angered many and may have resonated with others. how often when you are in conversation with people does the issue of brexit come up? and how often does it become divisive? the kind of thing where levers and remainers are at each other's throats. some of my friends didn't vote. those who voted to remain, we debate it. they have their point of view. i have mine, obviously. one thing i always try to get across is that we voted to be more inclusive. at the moment we have a migration system which favours people predominantly from one race from one continent. we voted to be more open, to have more people, from more races, from more continents. but for
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it to favour people not based on their ability, so fairness, on their skill level, not fairness in terms of their skin colour, which is what we currently have. if my friends ever do go off, i'd always make that point and ever do go off, i'd always make that pointand are ever do go off, i'd always make that point and are usually agree that i am right. laughter applause ican i can see some people shaking their heads at that. one of the difficult things for the politicians is they've tried to get this process going. people voted for all sorts of different reasons. people voted to leave, voted for all sorts of different motivations. politicians have been trying to wrangle that, grapple with that, theresa may decided on her definition of what people voted for, controls on immigration, leaving european court, etc. but from a nerdy policy point of view it is so different. this is the general election, this is the manifest, these are the things. it was a yes
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or no question about a massive political, emotional, diplomatic relationship and lots of different a nswe rs. relationship and lots of different answers. “— relationship and lots of different answers. —— this is the manifesto. borisjohnson nigel farage, they seemed to have points. exactly. let's get another question. as europe's finest cake aficionados, he would bake the best cake out of the brexit suspects, and what would it be? great question. which suspects? jean—claude juncker, donald tusk... wasn't angela merkel a chemist? she would have all of the temperature is precisely worked out and everything. probably her. i think theresa may's
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ca ke probably her. i think theresa may's cake would have a lot of wheat in it. laughter the prime minister gave an interview about her delia smith recipes for christmas. that's right. christmas goose. things like that. i am interviewing her tomorrow, i goose. things like that. i am interviewing hertomorrow, i might ask her, shall i? yeah! one of them has seven teaspoons of sugarin one of them has seven teaspoons of sugar in their tea. keep tipping them in until they don't dissolve, he said. i think michel barnier is a ca ke he said. i think michel barnier is a cake person. —— i do not think
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michel barnier is a cake person come he always chooses healthy things in the canteens. in that austrian cafe. it's dry cake. you had a big milestone of your own at the summit, didn't you? you went to kitty's the first time. this is the irish pub opposite the european commission. and opposite the bbc brussels bureau. the story changed and we have to start working again. we had finished the day at ten, 11:30pm brussels time. then the story about the diplomatic expulsion started to move on so we ended up working until 2am. but we had been fora move on so we ended up working until 2am. but we had been for a drink. move on so we ended up working until 2am. but we had been fora drink. i we nt 2am. but we had been fora drink. i went a long time ago to kitty's, when i was 18. every good night ends
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with a good party game. we have that one when you put something in your mouth, meaning you cannot speak properly. we are going to put these horrible things in our mouths. then we are going to say brexit buzzwords and brexit vips. you have to work out what we are saying. jean-claude juncker? yes. what? mutual recognition. he said that? well done. very good. take a bow. ? david davis? no. applause
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proper, specialist knowledge. amazing. i am taking this out. because i think it is time to say thank you to everybody for being in the audience and thank you to everybody watching. this was brexitcast, the arena spectacular. rave isn't the only feature of the weather this easter weekend but it certainly is a feature. -- rain isn't. it will remain a feature throughout the next ten days. gloomy skies at lowestoft. but something brighter across parts of western scotland. we take the mixed bag with us scotland. we take the mixed bag with us through the rest of the easter weekend. rain at times. some snow, as well, as i will show you in a moment. rather cool. in between all
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of that, some spells of sunshine. no great surprise that low pressure is dominating the scene as we start on saturday. a frontal system stretching from the eastern side of scotla nd stretching from the eastern side of scotland down to wales, bringing outbreaks of rain. rain becoming like an patchy throughout the day. wintry weather with a mixture of rain and sleet from northern england and scotland. something far brighter in the far north of scotland. maybe the same in the far south of england. a breezy and cool day wherever you are. the system slides to the east. another one is waiting in the winds in the south—west. in between on easter day, a slice of decent weather. probably the most reliably dry day for most part of the country. a lot of cloud around. brightness towards the north—east of scotland. the order which we shower. down to the south—west late in the day the wind is strengthening and outbreaks of rain beginning to move in. because this area of low pressure will be sending another
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system in our direction for easter monday. the complication with this is that this fund will be running into relatively cold air. not only rain, there is potentialfor snow. —— this front. it looks the part of north wales, north midlands, northern england, northern ireland, and parts of scotland could have disruptive snow at least for a time. the north is largely dry. to the south, pretty wet, and that's because things here will be turning that bit milder. the snow could cause the biggest travel headaches on easter monday. if you are planning a journey on monday, it is worth staying tuned tower forecasts. that area of snow is likely to get marooned over scotland on the far north of northern ireland. the front becoming slow—moving. showers will push in. they will be rain showers. temperatures will be creeping up. particularly in the south—east corner. 15 degrees in london. to get
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that you would need the cloud to break up to get that bit of sunshine. wintry weather on wednesday. a mixture of sleet and snow for scotland. heavy showers further south. sunshine in the south—east, 13 degrees, but always that bit cooler north and west. the jet stream separates the mild air from the cool air. the jet stream going to next week is meandering north and south. to the south, areas of mild air, just sneaking in towards the south—east. further north and west, most places stay in the cool air. the jet stream sending up the cool air. the jet stream sending up areas the cool air. the jet stream sending up areas of gentle, low pressure. rain coming in over next week. so much so that we have some concerns about flooding. we will need to keep an eye on that. wet into next weekend. snow over hills in the north. generally pretty cool. rain will be a big feature of our
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broadcast. forecast. —— rain will be a big feature of our forecast. russia steps up its retaliation against britain and other western countries, expelling more diplomats after the salisbury poisoning row. summoned to the foreign ministry in moscow, a string of staff from across europe are ordered to leave russia. gunfire at least 15 palestinians are killed after a mass protest on the border between gaza and israel. making the numbers add up — should teachers be asking parents to put their hands in their pockets to help school budgets? and eyes on the prize — anthonyjoshua and joseph parker weigh in for tomorrow's big fight.
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