tv Ben Zand BBC News March 31, 2018 9:30pm-10:01pm BST
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this is bbc world news, the headlines: palestinians are observing a day of national mourning for at least 16 people killed in clashes with israeli soldiers at the gaza border on friday. the un secretary—general has called for an independent inquiry into the deaths. a russian request to visit yulia skripal in hospital is being considered by the uk government. the uk holds moscow responsible for the nerve agent poisoning of ms skripal and her father, the former spy, sergei skripal. two men — believed to have been members of the islamic state cell known as "the beatles" — complain they can't have a fair trial because the government has stripped them of their british citizenship. the funeral of world renowned scientist stephen hawking has taken place in cambridge. the theoretical physicist, who had motor neurone disease, died on 14th march, aged 76. up to 500 family and friends attended the service. just after 10 o'clock, jane hill will be here with a full
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round up of the day's news. first, a special programme — miscarriage to murder with ben zand. a warning — you may find some scenes in this programme disturbing. our constitution in article 1 states that we recognise the human beings from the moment of conception, so i don't see the difference between killing a kid and killing a baby inside the womb of his mother. i was in el salvador, a country that has major problems with
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gangs and homicides. it's also one of the most dangerous places in the world for women. there's been a femicide involving a pregnant woman. the funeral‘s taking place as we speak and there is a lady we are just about to meet, who is a localjournalist, she covers this stuff week in, week out and she's taking me along with her to see exactly what's happened. can you explain where we are going right now? i think we might be here. menley‘s been covering cases like this for many years and it is
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a dangerousjob. again and again she witnesses the terrible treatment of women in el salvador. it'sjust so depressing, this woman was supposedly killed by her boyfriend. she was eight months pregnant, she was strangled and just left in the street. about two hours ago, there was another femicide of a woman who was shot by her husband. the cousin of the woman who was killed pulled me aside to talk. yesterday was her birthday. it was yesterday. why do you think she was killed? troubles. just like an argument? yes, couple troubles. that is all it was, just a bit of an argument. was she excited to have the baby? yeah. she was happy. the baby shower is this saturday. for menley it is another area where el salvador‘s treatment of women is particularly harsh. men?
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yeah. the men. abortion in all forms is banned in el salvador, including in case of incest, rape and where a woman's life is at risk. since 1998, it's estimated over 600 women have been imprisoned under these laws. some are serving sentences for up to a0 years for aggravated murder. even more shockingly, i had heard many of the murder convictions are of people who have had miscarriages. there was one case in particular i had been hearing about involving a woman called evelyn. evelyn is from a poor rural family and injuly 2017, at the age of 19, she was sentenced to 30 years injail. the prosecution accused
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her of homicide. but evelyn and her defence say she had a miscarriage. i arranged to meet her mum to find out more. then what happened, how did she end up in the hands of the police? evelyn's story was hard to believe. how could a woman who apparently had a miscarriage be sentenced to 30 years in prison? i wanted to know more about the case. so i went to meet evelyn's lawyer, denis munoz. denis is one of the few lawyers in the country prepared to work on cases like evelyn's. they are controversial and he has been derogatively labelled as the "pro—abortion lawyer". how is it possible that a teenager who has a miscarriage can be sent to prison for 30 years? so evelyn is an example of that?
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it sounds like you're saying that any woman who has a miscarriage is at risk of being sentenced to 30 years in jail? so no matter your views on abortion, whether you're for it or against it, the surprising thing about the cases denis represents they have nothing to do with abortion, they're stillbirths or miscarriages. and you would be ha rd—pressed to find somebody who truly believes that a woman should spend 30 years injailfor having a miscarriage.
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ricardo parker is a right—wing parliamentarian for the arena political party here. we have agreed to meet. hello. how you doing? very nice too meet you. he is one of most hard line anti—abortionists in the country and not only does he think evelyn's guilty, but he thinks people like her should be sent to jail for even longer. 0ur constitution in article 1 states that we recognise human beings from the moment of conception. so i don't see the difference between killing a kid and killing a baby inside the womb of its mother. someone like evelyn, she was sentenced because it was homicide? yeah, homicide. was the argument not that she didn't know she was pregnant, then she gave birth, she had a stillbirth? and she killed the baby. how did she kill the baby? one of the cases, it was mechanical strangling, the other was with with a brick, with a stone, hitting, breaking... the baby's skull.
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ijust need to clarify something. i found no evidence that this is true. there doesn't seem to be anything in evelyn's case that states physical injuries. she didn't know she was pregnant. she had a stillbirth and... she did not know that she was pregnant? for real? that is the argument? have you ever been pregnant? no, i am a man. but there are cases where women have been pregnant and not known they‘ re pregnant. yeah, there are cases. how do you know she is not one of those cases? well you see, go read the file. the psychiatrist who had the file told me they're lying and they're lying and they're lying trying to use and to change a reality. how long should they go to jail? well, the majorfelony here for killing, homicide, aggravated homicide, it's 50 years. if your daughter when she is older, she is going to have a baby, there are complications in which the health can be negatively affected, do you think she should be allowed
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to have an abortion? no. if she could potentially die? yeah, she could potentially die. the baby could not even survive. both of them could die. are you still saying she could not have an abortion, so both will die so it's a double homicide? it's not a double homicide. there has to be a culprit? exactly. are you not the culprit? is society not the culprit, if they're not allowing that woman to have an abortion? so we should be punished as a society maybe? but on the side of abortion, i think it should be changed to be harder. harsher? yes. it's my point of view. ricardo parker is at the extreme end of the abortion debate in this country. there are other political parties trying to loosen abortion laws. as of yet though, there have been no changes. evelyn's case partly hinged on the prosecution's argument that she had avoided antenatal care. they said this was tantamount to killing the child. but evelyn says she didn't even know she was pregnant. i wanted to talk to a doctor about this to see what their opinion was on evelyn's situation.
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but it wasn't easy. finally, i found one who would talk. but this was no ordinary doctor. he was one of the very few willing to carry out abortions in el salvador. risking 12 years in jail. just moments before our arrival, the doctor had performed an abortion and the foetus was lying on the table in front of me. i don't really know how to describe it. it kind of makes you... oh, man, that is... it's legs. i don't know. i cannot say. the horrible—ist thing i've seen. in a case like evelyn, where you know her defenders say she had a stillbirth or a miscarriage, in those types of cases what do you think has happen? how many women are you seeing each week?
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difficult to describe when you see the arms and legs and crushed head sprawled out on a table. it looks like a human being. you can understand why people feel that this is life. but you can also understand the need to help women who are at risk. for the past few years, el salvador‘s been listed among the world's most deadliest countries for women and ranks first in latin america. a huge issue with rape is part of this. taking place both in people's homes by relatives and as a form of control by gangs. it was thought evelyn herself was in a forceful relationship with a gang member, which made things a lot more complicated. el salvador‘s problem with gangs is out of control, with
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thousands of young men joining their ranks and living by their violent code. they become infamous for their terrible treatment of women. if evelyn was raped by a gang member, it may explain why no one knew of her pregnancy and why she may have had difficulty recognising signs of it. late at night, ifound a gang member who was willing to talk to me. if you were in a relationship with a girl and she decided she wanted to leave you, how would you react? have you ever killed a woman? what happens if the girl gets the pregnant,
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if you're going out with a girl, you don't want the baby, or you do want the baby, what are you going to do? it sound like you might actually be a psychopath? at this point, ijust wanted to speak to evelyn myself to see what life had been like over the last 18 months and to hear her account of what happened. finally, i got my chance.
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the prison said they would let me in. i was meeting her lawyer again, denis munoz, to head there. so tell me a bit about the prison that she is in now. what i don't understand is in whose interest is it to send a teenage girl to jail for 30 years if she has had a stillbirth? very nice to meet you. how are you doing? thank you for your time. how has your time been in prison? there was some reports that a member of a gang
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might have had something to do with with the pregnancy. is that true, or is that not true? the case was concluded that you had killed your child. what actually happened in your eyes? what do you think of the abortion laws in this country that led to you being sentenced to jailfor so long? how many other people here are in situations like yours?
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this is a depressing story, whatever way you look at it. 0n the defence‘s side, it's a teenager who had had a miscarriage after being raped in a violent relationship. 0n the prosecution's side, evelyn murdered her own child. her lawyer's confident she will get out and said there will be a supreme court appeal in early 2018, but in the meantime, evelyn will stay where she is with 28 years left of her sentence. hello, we will put some detail on the next few days and look at the trends that will affect us as far as next weekend. many of you through
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this weekend have seen something like that. some have seen a good deal cheerier. the reason for this mish—mash is some of you have been stuck by a weather front affecting the south—east and north—east of england. to the north, brighter skies. easter day a much improved prospect. until this rain moves up. for the most part, yes, a lot of cloud to the east and some sharp showers as well. but much, much drierfor many showers as well. but much, much drier for many of you and a better chance of seeing some sunshine. although that may be in short supply in the east. temperatures seven to ten. here we are later in the day, we are going to drag this cloud and rain further north and that is the key to story for the northern half of britain. 0ver
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key to story for the northern half of britain. over night through into monday, wales, the north midlands, northern ireland and then increasingly up towards the north hills of england, southern uplands of scotla nd hills of england, southern uplands of scotland and through the central belt through easter monday we could well see significant snow. there will be several centimetres over higher ground and even down to lower levels. further south it is not an issue, because your temperatures are in double figures. but further north well there is the risk of snow and it could be disruptive, trans—pennines it could be disruptive, tra ns—pennines routes, it could be disruptive, trans—pennines routes, wales and southern scotland. by tuesday that weather front is up to the northern half of the british isles. low pressure still dominant. but it is to our south west and the air is rushing at us and there will be quite a breeze. that will do wonders for the temperature. still a lot of rain in northern ireland and western scotla nd rain in northern ireland and western scotland and snow across the northern isles. 0nly
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scotland and snow across the northern isles. only three degrees there. but in the south, some will see 1a or 15. on wednesday not a great deal of change. 0ther fronts being ushered in, so staying mild, but wet. if you're still on holiday, thatis but wet. if you're still on holiday, that is disappointing in the later in the day it gets to be a mixture of sunshine and showers. save for the western side of scotland. here you have the old weather front and even when that creeps up to the northern isles it makes room for another one to come in on the south—westerly winds and as we push up south—westerly winds and as we push up to the higher ground of scotland there will be further significant snowfall. that is a lot of wet weather to be had across the western parts of england and wales. towards next weekend it will be often with snow on the northern hills and it will be on the cool side. because we are on the cool side jet stream that. warmth is there to be hard if only it would move further north and west and we could be in clover. but thatis
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west and we could be in clover. but that is a moist flow and we have concerns already never mind all that rain that i have described about the state of some rivers. this is the river avon and it will be the usual suspects, the high ground of cumbria they could have flooding problems as we get on through the week. this is bbc news, i'm lukwesa burak. the headlines: two men accused of carrying out beheadings for the so—called islamic state complain that they won't get a fair trial after losing their british citizenship. the senior labour party official embroiled in an anti—semitism row has stepped down from the party's ruling executive. more british diplomats have been ordered to leave moscow by the kremlin in the continuing row over the use of a nerve agent in salisbury. good evening, and welcome to bbc news.
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